When you first came Mego the players were so relieved they'd seen off the clueless LSL that they would have responded to anybody.

Once they got to know you and your bullying, negative and disruptive style, they realised what a pratt you are and consequently responded by losing that edge again.

Fortunately, and in spite of you, backed by the supporters and their own in-built pride and desire not to go down they rallied over the last few games and with a huge slice of luck managed to keep us up.

Don't you dare try to insult us by claiming you were the saviour, stick your stats where the sun don't shine and clear off.

You have presided over the most negative woefull and boring football ever seen at the Reebok, alienated and insulted some of our best players Speed, Stellios, Diouf, completely disregarded those who might have provided some attacking flair, Helgusson, Andranik and Vaz Te and totally disrespected the UEFA Cup.

Please do the decent thing and stop quoting what went immediately before you arrived because you will never achieve either the results, respect or acclaim that BSA did before he was forced out by your co-idiot Gartside. The sooner you're both gone the better for most of us here.

For me , the man as done well. He as saved our club which is the most important thing and every credit to him . The main thing is the style of play at the moment is awful . Maybe it will improve next season ,because he started at bottom of league and we have had to grind results out . The plus side is he as brought in three quality players in taylor , cahill and steinson which will improve us next season . Plus with a good budget to bring better players in at beginning of season . Im not for bring big sam back , he made is bed by leaving us with three games to go .Fans forget how much they moaned about is style of management and how no football was played. Sam is not the man , but not saying megson is though . If megson is here to stay , start buying the players now . It drives me mad , season after season we buy all our players after pre season so they always take a month to get use to the team , madness. well done you whitemen .

Did anyone else see Gary Megson in 'The Full Monty' last night?

hatemanu, make your mind up mate, "the style of play at the moment is awful" you said and you're absolutely right. Wake up and realise we stayed up in spite of this character not because of him and next season will be no better if he's still here except all our better players will be gone. He has not done well, the players and supporters have done well, not Megson.

As for good signings, Cahill I'll accept but the other two are journeymen and we paid over the odds for both imho.

Chuck Rasiak (on loan agreed) and Cohen in too and 1 out of 5 is good is it?

Wake up and face facts.

Megson was employed to stop the rot and that he has done.The club has reached the end of the season with it's Premiership status intact. There can't be anybody who would not have settled for that at the start of October last year.Megson, like Todd, Warnock, Jewell,Dowie,Pardew etc knows the bottom of the Premier/ top of the Championship. If that is the limit of the club's ambitions then he is probably as good as any of them.However if Bolton are more ambitious than that (and I'm afraid Gartside and Davies are not)then he is not the man for the next step up-back to the level of the Portsmouths, Villas, Man Citys of this world.Megson has shown the level of his ambition by the players he has been linked with in the Championship.At least 5 more players of the calibre of Steinsson and Cahill need to be brought in.Players like Taylor (another Salako)are just there for the money and a job at a Premiership club.Players of proven ability and 110% commitment like Stelios are treated shamefully.Diouf has been effectively told he will not start away games because of his temperement, no wonder the guy wants away.Time for a sea change at the club.

bibendum wrote:
hatemanu, make your mind up mate, "the style of play at the moment is awful" you said and you're absolutely right. Wake up and realise we stayed up in spite of this character not because of him and next season will be no better if he's still here except all our better players will be gone. He has not done well, the players and supporters have done well, not Megson. As for good signings, Cahill I'll accept but the other two are journeymen and we paid over the odds for both imho. Chuck Rasiak (on loan agreed) and Cohen in too and 1 out of 5 is good is it? Wake up and face facts.

Steinson in dutch team of season for two years running . Matty taylor who as created three goals in are last four games . Journeymen ? Gus hiddink stated steinson is one of the best right backs in europe . Talyor needs a good pre season and get match fit and he will show is true qualitys. who would you bring in then ? If megson was sacked tomoz i would not be arsed . Still dont forgive him for sporting away but he as done a job for us by keeping us up . What we cant do is get a manager in and he proves to be as good as little sam . If megson goes , get a good manager in but for me big sam is not the man .

Spot on Andy. Megson is no Wenger but would Wenger or Ferguson do any better under a Gartside led Bolton. It has been frustrating watching Bolton play so badly all season but I must agree with Megson that the poor football and bad results were there long before Sam left. It is likely that was a contributing factor to Sams decision to leave. A new top flight manager with a 30/40 million budget would make a significant difference but if those kind of funds are not being made available then a top manager would not be interested and in that case Megson would be as good as the rest of the bunch.

It's true that the football tailed off before BSA left but we don't know what was going on behind the scenes do we.

BSA was a motivator but if the man himself wasn't motivated and who would be by Gartside and let's include all the "Bungs" enquiry, his sons involvement and the fact he was robbed of the England job and maybe there was a reason things tailed off a bit before he left.

Just remember what happened before that though and all the wonderful players Sam did sign that you and I never ever thought we'd see at the Reebok.

We actually had all the top teams scared stiff so how bad is that? I'd also disagree about the quality of football under BSA which wasn't all route 1 as the media likes to quote. I saw some fantastic skill and football in that time from players like; Djorkaef, Okocha, Stellios and Hierro but I will agree Sam's negativity and wish to defend a 1-0 scoreline often had me pulling my hair out.

Would I swop Sam for Mego, of course I would, as would any right minded whites fan, but if he doesn't come back then let's be adventurous and try to sign a manager with vision and respect in the game who will at least give us back our pride.

We punched above our weight for years let's be honest but there's no reason why we can't be regularly a mid to top 6 table team who try for the cups at least every year.

Still think he should walk, still think he is clueless, still think he is by no stretch of the imagination a prem class manager. We hit form at the right time(lucky against boro and spurs and we know it) as have Fulham, we are very lucky that Reading have been unable to score and brum are worse than us at present. Please don't delude yourselves, we are sh!t at the mo and with this clown in charge we will only get worse. I will be praying and fasting for a new leadership in the close season (not only for my church but) for the club I love

This isn't the balance sheet I'd like to debate. Let's allow that Gary Megson has kept us up. Let's also acknowledge his contribution to the critical victory v Birmingham, the performances at Bayern and Red Star and the a memorable 1-0 v Man Utd. Also I'm happy to praise the signings of Cahill, Steinsson and Taylor.(I'm also reserving judgment re Cohen.the goal v Liverpool and near equaliser v Portsmouth were good,nippy efforts). Well done, Gary for all of that.Nor here is it necessary to reiterate criticisms of the tactics, selections and narrowness of vision that others have amply documented.

However, there is on the debit side a real worry for me. This is an edited version of a more rambling post I made yesterday

'Yesterday we took the field with one Omani, one Senegalese, one Icelandic and then 8 players from the British Isles.On the bench were one Greek,one Ivory Coaster,a Pole and an Israeli.

In the ranks of the perpetually overlooked are an Iranian, a Spaniard,a Portugese,a Slovenian, a Norwegian, a Swiss and another Pole.

Known spats have occurred with the Ivory Coaster and I think the Senegalese and two Spaniards.Our Finn's form has deteriorated alarmingly and he has disappeared as has an Icelandic?

In January at a point where African players were much in view I remarked at the time that we had engaged an Icelandic and an Israeli, but otherwise appeared to be scouring the British lower divisions.

What does this imply about current and futurer future recruitment strategy? Especially if we consider manager's instinctive disparagement of our participation in the UEFA cup.

Big Sam,and I am not here making a plus or minus comparison with his era, actively courted,recruited, supported with his backroom staff players from all over the world, from Europe,Asia,South America and Africa.

He had a few failures, eg Diawara,Jardel, Ballesta,Julio Caesar, Moreno and to some extent he made a failure of Borgetti BUT the integrationist strategy was ahead of its time and remarkably successful overall.Mendy,Djorka

eff,Ngotty,Candela from France:Okocha,Meite ( in Big Sam's time),Jaidi ( up to a point) , Fadiga ( at times) Diouff-from all over Africa, Nakata and Nishizawa ...from Japan.

This was all in addition to maintaining and strenghtening the Scandinavian strategy of his predecessors.

We were especially honoured and privileged to see Bergsson, Okocha, Djorkaeff, Hierro,Campo and latterly Anelka but our play was enriched by all these global styles and influences.

So what is our future policy? Markets, of course, are dynamic and the invasion of the Premier League by multi-national, overseas corporations and moguls may have drastically shifted the balance since Big Sam's era. Maybe it's harder to attract players in the context of today's agents, youtube proliferation etc. However unless or until the market for British Isles young and experienced players radically changes, we surely need to be prepared to compete in the global arena, perhaps in China and certainly in Africa and South America.

None of this is to decry traditional British footballing virtues as embodied by the likes of Kevin Davies.At what he does there is no-one finer. I'm in the camp that admires the Nolans and sometimes McCanns of this world too. But it's just not enough to compete or entertain in the Premier League context of 2008.

My hope is that we have an active, competitive, global recruitment,retentio
n and support strategy alongside a revitalised potential for bringing along young players, wherever originating. My fear is that in current management we have someone who not only fails to understand this but just may be instinctively and actively averse to the global market and not just inexperienced or out of his depth.If so allegedly positive stats and survival this year will just defer issues that are at the root of the current malaise amongst both long and more recently estcblished Bolton diehard supporters, who have been so magnificent at recent games.














It looks likely that Jaaskalainen,Diouf, Stelios and Campo will now depart and maybe some of the other forgotten foreigners too.

Like everyone else I'm delighted that the lads, by their own endeavours leapt from the scaffold yesterday. I thought it was a pretty awful game at times but in flashes Diouff lit it up, didn't he, and so did Steinsson and also Al Habsi, who's been excellent these last few games. Cahill was excellent and the other British islanders, not least McCann, Guthrie and Nolan had some passing disasters but were admirable in their pressing and commitment.

You are right, Erichyland, to raise this hare, which I have now chased several times round the track. It's a concern in the global premier league. But it also raises more serious questions about strategy and , I think, the moral core of the club.But I've banged on about this before.I hope I'm wrong and that if Megson stays with us, it emerges over time that his hands have been tied and that he's really an expansionist, attack-minded, creative manager and an international diplomat and global player. What price?

Just a couple of comments because I do not want to rain on the parade. Joanna - best post on here for a long while (on the "we are staying up thread")and totally echoes my thoughts the morning after. You and Julie for the board! Looking forward to reading your report on the Chelsea game.

To those who keep insisting Megson kept us up.

Negson alias Mugson did NOT keep us up. We were just VERY lucky that we were not hammered at Boro and Spurs, results in the last two weeks went our way (most amazingly as we haven't had the rub of the green all season)and the lads gave it their all and played it THEIR way after the Villa game. Talk to anyone who sits near the dugout about what he shouts and gesticulates and you would be very surprised. His "instructions" have mostly not been followed.

Well done you Whites!!! We, are, staying up, we are staying up!

BN please REMOVE that photo. Enough is enough!

oops, meant to cut out the last bit of the above post, which I'd pasted from yesterday. Sorry. Hey, BEN what about a preview facility!

What a load of drivel.
how many of the previous 27 games was sammy lee in charge of?
if you take the ten games away this season and -5 points that leaves 17 games and 18 points.
on the decline for 18 month?
did we not get into europe?
coarse we did.

"It makes me laugh when people criticise and have an opinion"
Is no one allowed an opinion?
Is this why half the players want to leave?

2003/04=8th/53pts
2004/5=8th/56pts
2005/6=7th/56pts
Can somebody tell me how its declined before sammy lee took over?

hatemanu wrote:

bibendum wrote: hatemanu, make your mind up mate, "the style of play at the moment is awful" you said and you're absolutely right. Wake up and realise we stayed up in spite of this character not because of him and next season will be no better if he's still here except all our better players will be gone. He has not done well, the players and supporters have done well, not Megson. As for good signings, Cahill I'll accept but the other two are journeymen and we paid over the odds for both imho. Chuck Rasiak (on loan agreed) and Cohen in too and 1 out of 5 is good is it? Wake up and face facts.

Steinson in dutch team of season for two years running . Matty taylor who as created three goals in are last four games . Journeymen ? Gus hiddink stated steinson is one of the best right backs in europe . Talyor needs a good pre season and get match fit and he will show is true qualitys. who would you bring in then ? If megson was sacked tomoz i would not be arsed . Still dont forgive him for sporting away but he as done a job for us by keeping us up . What we cant do is get a manager in and he proves to be as good as little sam . If megson goes , get a good manager in but for me big sam is not the man .

Hold up - Steinsson came from Heerenveen and not the Dutch champion for 4 years on the trot - PSV!

Megson Out
Gartside Out
Curtis Out

And before anyome complain about that - please re-read my posts (both as Bolton Blogger and Amosc99) in which I actually state that the team has been on free-fall for almost 2 years and not 18 months!!!!!

MICK wrote:
What a load of drivel. how many of the previous 27 games was sammy lee in charge of? if you take the ten games away this season and -5 points that leaves 17 games and 18 points. on the decline for 18 month? did we not get into europe? coarse we did. "It makes me laugh when people criticise and have an opinion" Is no one allowed an opinion? Is this why half the players want to leave? 2003/04=8th/53pts 2004/5=8th/56pts 2005/6=7th/56pts Can somebody tell me how its declined before sammy lee took over?

sorry
03/04=8th/53pts
04/05=6th/58pts
05/06=8th/56pts
06/07=7th/56pts

Funny...thought Megson said not long ago that he didnt listen to the criticisms or read the papers etc etc!!! More tosh from our gaz..The players kept us up..well done to them but I refuse to have my intelligence insulted by Megson..PS no subs used on Sat..probably because no one got crocked which would have made him make a decision!!!

Funny...thought Megson said not long ago that he didnt listen to the criticisms or read the papers etc etc!!! More tosh from our gaz..The players kept us up..well done to them but I refuse to have my intelligence insulted by Megson..PS no subs used on Sat..probably because no one got crocked which would have made him make a decision!!!

There isn't a truthful word comes out of Megson's mouth. Much like the tirade of expletives he uses from the touchline to "motivate" the players!!

bibendum wrote:
There isn't a truthful word comes out of Megson's mouth. Much like the tirade of expletives he uses from the touchline to "motivate" the players!!

That is because the players are not playing to HIS tactics - and haven't done for about 2 months now (all I will say is the player that told me this has 6 letters in his surname!)

why cant megson shut up, these are meaningless stats that neither win or lose games, our goalscoring record is dreadful (no mention), our passing record is the lowest of all time for accuracy (see opta stats)(no mention), 31 points from 27 games, its not actually brilliant gary is it? didnt recall these stats 23 games 21 points two or three weeks ago. what we need megson is action, transfers in not out, money spent on retaining our best players, improving fitness and the revamping of the academy. when will you learn to accept youve been lucky and the players and the fans bailed you out, your selections, cohen and rasiak were comical, i just hope you get the same 10 games lsl got last season or will you still be blaming lee,allardyce then, the worst type of manager blames his predessesors whilst sucking up to the chairmen. man utd were once bottom of the table and went on to win the championship, theres statistics, damned statistics and lies.

MICK wrote:

MICK wrote: What a load of drivel. how many of the previous 27 games was sammy lee in charge of? if you take the ten games away this season and -5 points that leaves 17 games and 18 points. on the decline for 18 month? did we not get into europe? coarse we did. "It makes me laugh when people criticise and have an opinion" Is no one allowed an opinion? Is this why half the players want to leave? 2003/04=8th/53pts 2004/5=8th/56pts 2005/6=7th/56pts Can somebody tell me how its declined before sammy lee took over?

sorry 03/04=8th/53pts 04/05=6th/58pts 05/06=8th/56pts 06/07=7th/56pts

strange but isnt that success yet there are people on these sites who wanted allardyce sacked for playing negative football. those very people will already have been putting a large spoonful od sugar on their words in order to make them more palatable to eat. in 5 years time we will bemoaning the departure of sam allardyce and the subsequent 12 months. not in the short term, but the long term harm that has been done to the club.

megson has got to go. we need a top manager for a top club. lets go to the next level and play more football with passion skill and guile.

megson has got to go. we need a top manager for a top club. lets go to the next level and play more football with passion skill and guile.

Megson has done well to get the team out of the drop. stop moaning and critisin him, concentrate on backing the team instead of being against them. If you dont like it change teams!!
--BWFC TILL I DIE--

Well done megz n all the players- brillant result keep it up against chelsea!!!

Well ive only just sobered up from Saturday plus I seem to have lost my voice, the Reebok was rocking some. Fantastic result achieved by sheer brute determination rather than guile but ill take it for the short term. Well done to the players for getting us out of this mess in recent weeks. Let’s saviour the moment but at the same time do not let this escape act cloud our judgement. To forget about what has gone on in recent years in particular the last couple would be foolish, another season of gross under investment coupled with a very poor manager in charge will only result in the same next year. Im sick of hearing Megson telling us how well he’s done and our position when he took over. Well he inherited the vast majority of a team that had finished in the top 8 for 4 consecutive seasons with only 10 games of the season undeway. Gartside and Davies should be bold and brave and get rid, install a fresh, hungry, young, innovative manager like John Collins now to take us forward with a war chest from last years sky money (which we never spent), the small profit from the Anelka sale and this years sky money. Without this I dread to think what season ticket sales will be like, despite what Gartside thinks we are not thick and this success is only painting over the cracks.

Nobody at the club comes out with much credit:-

Gartside and Board- rushed, cheap option appointments, insulted loyal fans, lied to us all about Anelka sale and non existent £7mill striker bids.

Megson- Did his best to throw UEFA ties, delighted to lose in Lisbon, only Manager I know to lose twice in a month against 10 men, repeatedly played negative sides, poor use of subs, continued with his favourites over better quality players, makes a complete idiot of himself on the line. So lucky to find 3 worse teams than us.

Players- deserve no praise for scraping through in the end. Who can forget desperate shows against Rovers ( twice ) Liverpool ( twice ) City, Fulham, United away, Sunderland away, Birmingham and Derby away, Everton, Wigan and Arsenal debacles.

In most of those matches the players never turned up until we had gifted early leads, others due to a lack of fitness we gave away late goals.

I certainly dont trust Megson to improve anything next season and we will see pretty much more of the same. Reserve cup sides, boring, negative Prem teams. I bet he's already casting envious eyes at the released lists from Leicester, Scunthorpe and Mansfield.

Soon we will see the return of the invisible Chairman blasting the non- believers, talking of £30 mill transfer funds to coincide with season ticket sales. The club stinks from top to bottom. Incompetant leadership off the field, lazy, overpaid players who did nothing to raise their game until almost too late. I hope the whole lot are ashamed of their performances this season.

These statistics aren't needed, you'd have to be an idiot to think Megson hasn't done a good job.
Unfortunately this site provides a platform for such people.

steve wrote:
These statistics aren't needed, you'd have to be an idiot to think Megson hasn't done a good job. Unfortunately this site provides a platform for such people.

Who are you..Megson,s brother? We are not idots we just want better for our football club and we wont get it under Megson..FACT

We are not idots

Oh really.
Then you'll realise Bolton are punching way above their weight,we have a very poor fan base paying much less in season ticket fees than the vast majority of other Premiership clubs.The fan base is dwindling because many supporters bought season tickets on the back of the new Reebok, never having had one before and now the novelty has worn off.
Sam Allardyce will never be replaced he was an exceptional Manager,Gary Megson will do well to keep us in the premier league and it will be almost impossible for a club of Boltons stature to attract someone with a better record.Anyone who thinks differently I'd be delighted to hear suggestions for someone with a better track record who'd consider coming to Bolton.
Jewell,Warnock,
Souness,Coppell,
Coleman,Mcleish,Bruc
e the list is endless do they have better records than Megson?
Dream on.

I agree steve. He has come to the club in a turn around stage. Quality players signed by BSA are getting past it and new blood needed to be brought in. If Jans signings are anything to go by i khink he will buy wisely this summer. BSA did well on signing front but he did make enough. Guess we must have had almost every nation at some point. Gartside has not helped over these last twelve months but Megson has done an alright job. With a summer to sign new players and get rid of dead wood next season could be a good one.

ok "Idiots "..whats wrong with having a little ambition....?

People can make any stats work for them.
with the stats megson is talking about all it proves is he's better than lsl.
If you look at the stats from last season before lsl took over you can take any 27 games in the 36 games under bsa and the stats are better.
1st 10 games 20pts
6 wins 2 draws 2 lost.
Now the next set of stats dont read that good but are still better than megsons.
26 games 35pts
10 wins 5 draws 11 lost.
In megsons 27 games
8 wins 7 draws 12 lost.
Agreeing that bsa gave up after the jan transfer window it shows that even at his worst he was still better than megson.

bolton-till-i-die wrote:
Megson has done well to get the team out of the drop. stop moaning and critisin him, concentrate on backing the team instead of being against them. If you dont like it change teams!!
--BWFC TILL I DIE--

Well done megz n all the players- brillant result keep it up against chelsea!!!

no you change teams! if you wanna stay down at the bottom ever season possible relegated under megson. i want a forward thinking manager who is going to take us higher than allardyce. I believe in being positive but not when it comes to megson how's done nothing for this club.

Megson = wasting money on championship footballers like that idiot manager at fulham sanchez.

I always want the best for bolton i will never settle for second best.

Come you Whites.

I'd like to confound the critics and get into the champions league. anything wrong with that?

I always sing and scream at bolton football matches to get behind the team. quite forgiving of the players but i know when we have dropped in quality. and megsons that drop.

steve wrote:
We are not idots Oh really. Then you'll realise Bolton are punching way above their weight,we have a very poor fan base paying much less in season ticket fees than the vast majority of other Premiership clubs.The fan base is dwindling because many supporters bought season tickets on the back of the new Reebok, never having had one before and now the novelty has worn off. Sam Allardyce will never be replaced he was an exceptional Manager,Gary Megson will do well to keep us in the premier league and it will be almost impossible for a club of Boltons stature to attract someone with a better record.Anyone who thinks differently I'd be delighted to hear suggestions for someone with a better track record who'd consider coming to Bolton. Jewell,Warnock, Souness,Coppell, Coleman,Mcleish,Bruc e the list is endless do they have better records than Megson? Dream on.

Paul Ince.

well can you imagine what its going to be like next season,with the likes of diouf stellios campo jussie and maybe more on there way out,who the hell are they going to get to come to a club not wanting to compete in europe not wanting to go to wembley and only wanting to stay in the prem/ship near the bottom.The fact is they now need some quality players stating the ovious and a top quality manager

On the basis the status quo remains, next season even the idiot Megson cannot be so bad as to get us relegateed.

West Brom will struggle, Mowbray says they will continue to play nice football, but as Arsenal have found out, pretty stuff doesnt win stuff and clearly WBA do not have the quality of players Arsenal do, they'll struggle.

Stoke = Derby County

Hull/Watford/Bristol C/Crystal Palace = No strength or depth there whatsoever.

Cannot say I am a Megson fan - massive dilemma caused by wanting to support the team, but grudge supporting him and Gartside.

Need a good clear out - Boro are after JSL, so I'd sell him, woeful. Guthrie not suited to the Bolton stylee, Nolan....well, dont rate him, but many people do, he'll be here until the day they take him out in a wooden box. Make Cahill captain for me. Need a decent striker.

One final thing - James from LBHG says "hello" to everyone...I spoke to him the other day and he is sorry the website had to be shut down, basically it seems like his family were starting to get some problems because of the campaign and that is why he had to wind it up at such short notice.

IWillShareTheTruth wrote:
On the basis the status quo remains, next season even the idiot Megson cannot be so bad as to get us relegateed. West Brom will struggle, Mowbray says they will continue to play nice football, but as Arsenal have found out, pretty stuff doesnt win stuff and clearly WBA do not have the quality of players Arsenal do, they'll struggle. Stoke = Derby County Hull/Watford/Bristol C/Crystal Palace = No strength or depth there whatsoever. Cannot say I am a Megson fan - massive dilemma caused by wanting to support the team, but grudge supporting him and Gartside. Need a good clear out - Boro are after JSL, so I'd sell him, woeful. Guthrie not suited to the Bolton stylee, Nolan....well, dont rate him, but many people do, he'll be here until the day they take him out in a wooden box. Make Cahill captain for me. Need a decent striker. One final thing - James from LBHG says "hello" to everyone...I spoke to him the other day and he is sorry the website had to be shut down, basically it seems like his family were starting to get some problems because of the campaign and that is why he had to wind it up at such short notice.

That stinks James' family getting problems - what from the club? Fans? Or can you not say? Thought it was all a bit dodgy last minute LBHG shutdown. Whoevers giving them the problems are w*nkers

Will all the Manchester supporters ( or hangers on )leave this site for the true BOLTON WANDERERS supporters.

the guy has done his job by keeping us in the premier league. all he knows is the bottom of the prem so hes not going to take us forward and needs to go now. theres no point having more seasons like this. we need to press on up the league, and use the extra money to give us more of a chance in the cup comps

Julie Moores wrote:
Nobody at the club comes out with much credit:- Gartside and Board- rushed, cheap option appointments, insulted loyal fans, lied to us all about Anelka sale and non existent £7mill striker bids. Megson- Did his best to throw UEFA ties, delighted to lose in Lisbon, only Manager I know to lose twice in a month against 10 men, repeatedly played negative sides, poor use of subs, continued with his favourites over better quality players, makes a complete idiot of himself on the line. So lucky to find 3 worse teams than us. Players- deserve no praise for scraping through in the end. Who can forget desperate shows against Rovers ( twice ) Liverpool ( twice ) City, Fulham, United away, Sunderland away, Birmingham and Derby away, Everton, Wigan and Arsenal debacles. In most of those matches the players never turned up until we had gifted early leads, others due to a lack of fitness we gave away late goals. I certainly dont trust Megson to improve anything next season and we will see pretty much more of the same. Reserve cup sides, boring, negative Prem teams. I bet he's already casting envious eyes at the released lists from Leicester, Scunthorpe and Mansfield. Soon we will see the return of the invisible Chairman blasting the non- believers, talking of £30 mill transfer funds to coincide with season ticket sales. The club stinks from top to bottom. Incompetant leadership off the field, lazy, overpaid players who did nothing to raise their game until almost too late. I hope the whole lot are ashamed of their performances this season.

A little harsh on Mr Megson who has done exactly what he was brought in to do .

megson cant you just keep you mouth shut your saying you arent blowing smoke up your backside but you clearly are the players were the ones who got us out of this not you, if you recall your decision to play a 2nd string in lisbon almost cost us our league status aswell

matty_c wrote:
megson cant you just keep you mouth shut your saying you arent blowing smoke up your backside but you clearly are the players were the ones who got us out of this not you, if you recall your decision to play a 2nd string in lisbon almost cost us our league status aswell

Well, I think he deserves a medal, for saving our club.

I am so stupid. I didnt realies till now that Mr Megson had been brought in to :-

Make us a laughing stock

Confirm this club has no ambition beyond 17th in Prem league

Pick teams that will guarantee first round cup exits.

Thanks for pointing this out.

Why was megsons job to keep us up?
Ramos took over at spurs not long after megson did at bolton so was his job discription to keep spurs up?
And before anybody starts saying how much better spurs are than us they only finished 4pts and 2 places above us last year and this year are 10 points in front and have won a cup.

Julie Moores wrote:
I am so stupid. I didnt realies till now that Mr Megson had been brought in to :- Make us a laughing stock Confirm this club has no ambition beyond 17th in Prem league Pick teams that will guarantee first round cup exits. Thanks for pointing this out.

1.I am happy now
2.From where he started (bottom, below Derby!)
the mans a genius
3.There was no room for cups this year
I hope this answers all your points

This care in the community thing has never worked.

mike wrote:

Julie Moores wrote: I am so stupid. I didnt realies till now that Mr Megson had been brought in to :- Make us a laughing stock Confirm this club has no ambition beyond 17th in Prem league Pick teams that will guarantee first round cup exits. Thanks for pointing this out.

1.I am happy now 2.From where he started (bottom, below Derby!) the mans a genius 3.There was no room for cups this year I hope this answers all your points

1.happy to be bottom of the table fighting to survive every year till megsons gone.

2.1pt behind derby 2pts behind spurs with 27 games to go.

3.no room for cups???
tell that to spurs.

Happy we maybe safe
Not happy if things stay the same.

Get rid of this clown....if any believes that he is responsible for this escape, you are deluding yourself. There has been no tactical change in these last 4 matches, the only difference is the players have suddenly realised they needed to battle for everything. Megson staying will only guarantee the same poor football, and the same struggle....BEN why doesn't someone there do some investigation about these takeover rumours...it is what good reporters would be doing

MICK wrote:

mike wrote:

Julie Moores wrote: I am so stupid. I didnt realies till now that Mr Megson had been brought in to :- Make us a laughing stock Confirm this club has no ambition beyond 17th in Prem league Pick teams that will guarantee first round cup exits. Thanks for pointing this out.

1.I am happy now 2.From where he started (bottom, below Derby!) the mans a genius 3.There was no room for cups this year I hope this answers all your points

1.happy to be bottom of the table fighting to survive every year till megsons gone. 2.1pt behind derby 2pts behind spurs with 27 games to go. 3.no room for cups??? tell that to spurs. Happy we maybe safe Not happy if things stay the same.

I will agree with your last line.

People,

As I about to be banned from this website due to spamming it a few weeks ago because I was sick to death of being bullied whilst the paper took NO ACTION here goes.


I have never liked Megson, he is completely the wrong person for the job - very negative etc...

Gartside - again I have NEVER liked before during and after Allardyce. The sooner this joker goes the better.

To the playing lads - good luck for the future and may the Whites be with you!!!

TO all the people on here - good luck for the future, I will still read your comments, but unfortunately will not be able to debate any further - such as shame. (esp to the likes of Julie, Breezblock, Munich, Il Duce, King Cain)

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Posted by: Pedro, Bolton on 9:07am
Just a couple of comments because I do not want to rain on the parade. Joanna - best post on here for a long while (on the "we are staying up thread")and totally echoes my thoughts the morning after. You and Julie for the board! Looking forward to reading your report on the Chelsea game.
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Thanks, Pedro. To preserve my anonymity, I've given my name as "John" to The Bolton News, so the article will appear under that name. Rather than a detailed report of the game, it will be more of an overall comment on the season and the way forward, as it seems to me.

BRING BACK ALLARDYCE AND DIOUFFY WOULD STAY HE JUST WANTS A CUDDLE AND TO BE MADE TO FEEL IMPORTANT.

MEGSON HAS DONE THE JOB MORE GOOD LUCK THAN GOOD MANAGEMENT SKILLS/STYLES/THEORI
ES OR LEADERSHIP

mike wrote:
Will all the Manchester supporters ( or hangers on )leave this site for the true BOLTON WANDERERS supporters.

You complete t0ssp0t.I can say what I like about my TEAM and will not listen to some inbred cumbrian who prefers sheep to women.
You say your a true Bolton fan, yeah right! Didn't see you running with the lifeliners in 1982 when the club was close to going bust? True fan my @rse.
Postal addresses mean nothing when many fans are connected to the club and town through relatives and family histories.
Say something construction or shut up you sheepsh@gging kn0b.
ps remind me please what part of Bolton is windermere near!!!!!!!

Very funny hitonutd, that made me laugh. The point is right though. How can a Cumbrian inbred tell any of us who can and who can't support the club.

That loser cant be for real, just a wind up merchant.

Bolton Blogger wrote:

hatemanu wrote:

bibendum wrote: hatemanu, make your mind up mate, "the style of play at the moment is awful" you said and you're absolutely right. Wake up and realise we stayed up in spite of this character not because of him and next season will be no better if he's still here except all our better players will be gone. He has not done well, the players and supporters have done well, not Megson. As for good signings, Cahill I'll accept but the other two are journeymen and we paid over the odds for both imho. Chuck Rasiak (on loan agreed) and Cohen in too and 1 out of 5 is good is it? Wake up and face facts.

Steinson in dutch team of season for two years running . Matty taylor who as created three goals in are last four games . Journeymen ? Gus hiddink stated steinson is one of the best right backs in europe . Talyor needs a good pre season and get match fit and he will show is true qualitys. who would you bring in then ? If megson was sacked tomoz i would not be arsed . Still dont forgive him for sporting away but he as done a job for us by keeping us up . What we cant do is get a manager in and he proves to be as good as little sam . If megson goes , get a good manager in but for me big sam is not the man .

Hold up - Steinsson came from Heerenveen and not the Dutch champion for 4 years on the trot - PSV! Megson Out Gartside Out Curtis Out And before anyome complain about that - please re-read my posts (both as Bolton Blogger and Amosc99) in which I actually state that the team has been on free-fall for almost 2 years and not 18 months!!!!!

He came from az , he as been voted best rightback in the league for two season .

mike wrote:

Julie Moores wrote: I am so stupid. I didnt realies till now that Mr Megson had been brought in to :- Make us a laughing stock Confirm this club has no ambition beyond 17th in Prem league Pick teams that will guarantee first round cup exits. Thanks for pointing this out.

1.I am happy now 2.From where he started (bottom, below Derby!) the mans a genius 3.There was no room for cups this year I hope this answers all your points

true fan mike you deserve ridicule and thats what you get by your continual baiting of bolton fans on here, what makes you a true fan mike, enlighten us.

1. agree

2. genius (einstein was a genius)

3. no room for cups!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not since 58! (proper cups)

yet another pro megson post that beggars belief, his remit as i recall was to get into the top ten, sammy lees was to be better that of bsa, gradually you and the club are happy to lower the pole, what next, challenging in the championship, lets avoid relegation to division 1,2, conference. YOU AND THE CLUB HAVE A LOSERS MENTALITY, thats why dioufys leaving and annelka left, crowds went down and the players saw the board lacked ambition, dioufy and annelka thought we could challenge for champions league football.

this id not success mike, i'm very happy, i'm prepared to give him 10 matches next season the same as lsl and i am 99% against megson because i know all about his previous club records and man management style, remember out of work for 18 months and setting up the cones for tony pullis at stoke before his leicester appointment. the fans want better than this we dont want to be LOSERS. my definition of true fans is those that put their bums on seats week in week out, not those 5000 that have already left, it can only be changed by being their, look at sporting, athletic and sunderland atmospheres that inspired all. your definition mike, lick ars# and accept 2nd best.

steve wrote:
We are not idots Oh really. Then you'll realise Bolton are punching way above their weight,we have a very poor fan base paying much less in season ticket fees than the vast majority of other Premiership clubs.The fan base is dwindling because many supporters bought season tickets on the back of the new Reebok, never having had one before and now the novelty has worn off. Sam Allardyce will never be replaced he was an exceptional Manager,Gary Megson will do well to keep us in the premier league and it will be almost impossible for a club of Boltons stature to attract someone with a better record.Anyone who thinks differently I'd be delighted to hear suggestions for someone with a better track record who'd consider coming to Bolton. Jewell,Warnock, Souness,Coppell, Coleman,Mcleish,Bruc e the list is endless do they have better records than Megson? Dream on.

Most people on here are sick of Megson not because of poor results (although they dont help) but because of everything he represents. If you are not clear about this have a look at the first post above from Bibendum, it just about sums it up. There is so much more to being a football club manager than merely finishing 4th bottom every season.

To be fair, everything he said is true. He took over when we were getting worse and worse in turns of results, and things have started to turn around. Facts don't lie.

Julie Moores wrote:
Nobody at the club comes out with much credit:- Gartside and Board- rushed, cheap option appointments, insulted loyal fans, lied to us all about Anelka sale and non existent £7mill striker bids. Megson- Did his best to throw UEFA ties, delighted to lose in Lisbon, only Manager I know to lose twice in a month against 10 men, repeatedly played negative sides, poor use of subs, continued with his favourites over better quality players, makes a complete idiot of himself on the line. So lucky to find 3 worse teams than us. Players- deserve no praise for scraping through in the end. Who can forget desperate shows against Rovers ( twice ) Liverpool ( twice ) City, Fulham, United away, Sunderland away, Birmingham and Derby away, Everton, Wigan and Arsenal debacles. In most of those matches the players never turned up until we had gifted early leads, others due to a lack of fitness we gave away late goals. I certainly dont trust Megson to improve anything next season and we will see pretty much more of the same. Reserve cup sides, boring, negative Prem teams. I bet he's already casting envious eyes at the released lists from Leicester, Scunthorpe and Mansfield. Soon we will see the return of the invisible Chairman blasting the non- believers, talking of £30 mill transfer funds to coincide with season ticket sales. The club stinks from top to bottom. Incompetant leadership off the field, lazy, overpaid players who did nothing to raise their game until almost too late. I hope the whole lot are ashamed of their performances this season.

Julie,absolutely spot on, and all the true, intellectual Bolton fans know this as well. Also believe Mike from Windermere must be on Megsons pay-roll, or he his purely a wind up merchant. Megson a football genius! Must be something in the air up there. MEGSON OUT

bwfc_1210 wrote:
To be fair, everything he said is true. He took over when we were getting worse and worse in turns of results, and things have started to turn around. Facts don't lie.

The thing is events would have changed no matter who became the new manager - so Megson isn't quite the saviour as some make out to be - just god **** lucky.


But look at the other club he managed this season - Leicester, they have dropped to Fizzy Pop League 1. Again it does show how he is not a Great or even a good amanger as it was the time he was there that has destroyed their season - FACT

I Will Be There Next Season wrote:
Did anyone else see Gary Megson in 'The Full Monty' last night?

classic, i was thinking exactly the same myself...

megson is a spastic. He should resign now.

trotters1964 wrote:

mike wrote:

Julie Moores wrote: I am so stupid. I didnt realies till now that Mr Megson had been brought in to :- Make us a laughing stock Confirm this club has no ambition beyond 17th in Prem league Pick teams that will guarantee first round cup exits. Thanks for pointing this out.

1.I am happy now 2.From where he started (bottom, below Derby!) the mans a genius 3.There was no room for cups this year I hope this answers all your points

true fan mike you deserve ridicule and thats what you get by your continual baiting of bolton fans on here, what makes you a true fan mike, enlighten us. 1. agree 2. genius (einstein was a genius) 3. no room for cups!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not since 58! (proper cups) yet another pro megson post that beggars belief, his remit as i recall was to get into the top ten, sammy lees was to be better that of bsa, gradually you and the club are happy to lower the pole, what next, challenging in the championship, lets avoid relegation to division 1,2, conference. YOU AND THE CLUB HAVE A LOSERS MENTALITY, thats why dioufys leaving and annelka left, crowds went down and the players saw the board lacked ambition, dioufy and annelka thought we could challenge for champions league football. this id not success mike, i'm very happy, i'm prepared to give him 10 matches next season the same as lsl and i am 99% against megson because i know all about his previous club records and man management style, remember out of work for 18 months and setting up the cones for tony pullis at stoke before his leicester appointment. the fans want better than this we dont want to be LOSERS. my definition of true fans is those that put their bums on seats week in week out, not those 5000 that have already left, it can only be changed by being their, look at sporting, athletic and sunderland atmospheres that inspired all. your definition mike, lick ars# and accept 2nd best.

After BSA left, and lsl tried to change the style to quickly,and left, we where up the creek without a paddle.In came our saviour, with instructions to stay in the premiership at ALL costs, THIS HE HAS DONE. It is not a case of excepting second best but serviving the mess he inherited.Next season Mr Megson will be judged on his success or not.so lets thank the man for saving us from the championship ,for thats where we where going.

The sooner Megson goes the better,Nobody told me when we were going to Lisbon that I would be paying over £1000-00 to take my family to watch a second rate team.I expected 1 or 2 changes but not to be in the position where I didnt even know one of the subs he put on.Considering he rested players for the Wigan game and we lost against 10 men made me even more angry.I wonder if he reads these posts on this site?

A new top flight manager with a 30/40 million budget would make a significant difference

Really? Try telling that to Sunderland fans. £40million spent and they only just avoided relegation. And Keane wants to spend another £50million.
To be fair, though, you did say 'top flight' manager.

mike wrote:

trotters1964 wrote:

mike wrote:

Julie Moores wrote: I am so stupid. I didnt realies till now that Mr Megson had been brought in to :- Make us a laughing stock Confirm this club has no ambition beyond 17th in Prem league Pick teams that will guarantee first round cup exits. Thanks for pointing this out.

1.I am happy now 2.From where he started (bottom, below Derby!) the mans a genius 3.There was no room for cups this year I hope this answers all your points

true fan mike you deserve ridicule and thats what you get by your continual baiting of bolton fans on here, what makes you a true fan mike, enlighten us. 1. agree 2. genius (einstein was a genius) 3. no room for cups!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not since 58! (proper cups) yet another pro megson post that beggars belief, his remit as i recall was to get into the top ten, sammy lees was to be better that of bsa, gradually you and the club are happy to lower the pole, what next, challenging in the championship, lets avoid relegation to division 1,2, conference. YOU AND THE CLUB HAVE A LOSERS MENTALITY, thats why dioufys leaving and annelka left, crowds went down and the players saw the board lacked ambition, dioufy and annelka thought we could challenge for champions league football. this id not success mike, i'm very happy, i'm prepared to give him 10 matches next season the same as lsl and i am 99% against megson because i know all about his previous club records and man management style, remember out of work for 18 months and setting up the cones for tony pullis at stoke before his leicester appointment. the fans want better than this we dont want to be LOSERS. my definition of true fans is those that put their bums on seats week in week out, not those 5000 that have already left, it can only be changed by being their, look at sporting, athletic and sunderland atmospheres that inspired all. your definition mike, lick ars# and accept 2nd best.

After BSA left, and lsl tried to change the style to quickly,and left, we where up the creek without a paddle.In came our saviour, with instructions to stay in the premiership at ALL costs, THIS HE HAS DONE. It is not a case of excepting second best but serviving the mess he inherited.Next season Mr Megson will be judged on his success or not.so lets thank the man for saving us from the championship ,for thats where we where going.

we will see, i dont think its as black and white as people make out, however he deserves the same chance as lsl which is 10 matches, personally while i'm 99% against megson it is actually futile to fire him now, he will ultimately be judged on his second transfer window, the first he ballsed up big time, yes there were some good signings, but half a job is no job in the transfer window, if all our flair and creative players leave who is there to provide goals, points and ultimately entertainment, its alright being in the 'i told you so' or the 'keep the faith' brigade but ultimately we need some substance to our hopes and aspirations. 'blind faith' and 'trust' are not enough. but the problems are much deeper than just surviving this season, both lee and megson have gone about rebuilding or knocking down what we've built depending on your take. if its not broken why fix it, at gartsides behest lee set about on an attacking football policy, megson then reverts to the opposite and openly admits he's replicating his team selections, even down bsa disdain for cup over league much as i love bsa this was his achiles heel, we should never have been in this position in the first place with the resources at our disposal. to be honest i think even megson will see off the poor quality clubs coming up next season but if we dont get 40 plus points next season we will be going down the following, armed with our transfer profit and tv money we have a distinct advantage, however i'm worried with diouf and stelios going we may become too predictable. at least we've stayed up for now, but that is only cause for very short term celebration.

trotters1964 wrote:

mike wrote:

trotters1964 wrote:

mike wrote:

Julie Moores wrote: I am so stupid. I didnt realies till now that Mr Megson had been brought in to :- Make us a laughing stock Confirm this club has no ambition beyond 17th in Prem league Pick teams that will guarantee first round cup exits. Thanks for pointing this out.

1.I am happy now 2.From where he started (bottom, below Derby!) the mans a genius 3.There was no room for cups this year I hope this answers all your points

true fan mike you deserve ridicule and thats what you get by your continual baiting of bolton fans on here, what makes you a true fan mike, enlighten us. 1. agree 2. genius (einstein was a genius) 3. no room for cups!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not since 58! (proper cups) yet another pro megson post that beggars belief, his remit as i recall was to get into the top ten, sammy lees was to be better that of bsa, gradually you and the club are happy to lower the pole, what next, challenging in the championship, lets avoid relegation to division 1,2, conference. YOU AND THE CLUB HAVE A LOSERS MENTALITY, thats why dioufys leaving and annelka left, crowds went down and the players saw the board lacked ambition, dioufy and annelka thought we could challenge for champions league football. this id not success mike, i'm very happy, i'm prepared to give him 10 matches next season the same as lsl and i am 99% against megson because i know all about his previous club records and man management style, remember out of work for 18 months and setting up the cones for tony pullis at stoke before his leicester appointment. the fans want better than this we dont want to be LOSERS. my definition of true fans is those that put their bums on seats week in week out, not those 5000 that have already left, it can only be changed by being their, look at sporting, athletic and sunderland atmospheres that inspired all. your definition mike, lick ars# and accept 2nd best.

After BSA left, and lsl tried to change the style to quickly,and left, we where up the creek without a paddle.In came our saviour, with instructions to stay in the premiership at ALL costs, THIS HE HAS DONE. It is not a case of excepting second best but serviving the mess he inherited.Next season Mr Megson will be judged on his success or not.so lets thank the man for saving us from the championship ,for thats where we where going.

we will see, i dont think its as black and white as people make out, however he deserves the same chance as lsl which is 10 matches, personally while i'm 99% against megson it is actually futile to fire him now, he will ultimately be judged on his second transfer window, the first he ballsed up big time, yes there were some good signings, but half a job is no job in the transfer window, if all our flair and creative players leave who is there to provide goals, points and ultimately entertainment, its alright being in the 'i told you so' or the 'keep the faith' brigade but ultimately we need some substance to our hopes and aspirations. 'blind faith' and 'trust' are not enough. but the problems are much deeper than just surviving this season, both lee and megson have gone about rebuilding or knocking down what we've built depending on your take. if its not broken why fix it, at gartsides behest lee set about on an attacking football policy, megson then reverts to the opposite and openly admits he's replicating his team selections, even down bsa disdain for cup over league much as i love bsa this was his achiles heel, we should never have been in this position in the first place with the resources at our disposal. to be honest i think even megson will see off the poor quality clubs coming up next season but if we dont get 40 plus points next season we will be going down the following, armed with our transfer profit and tv money we have a distinct advantage, however i'm worried with diouf and stelios going we may become too predictable. at least we've stayed up for now, but that is only cause for very short term celebration.

In the position we where, the league had to come first.30/40 million or cup glory, for all our efforts to qualify for the UEFA cup, it had to be sacrified if there was a chance we would loose our premiership status

trotters1964 wrote:

mike wrote:

trotters1964 wrote:

mike wrote:

Julie Moores wrote: I am so stupid. I didnt realies till now that Mr Megson had been brought in to :- Make us a laughing stock Confirm this club has no ambition beyond 17th in Prem league Pick teams that will guarantee first round cup exits. Thanks for pointing this out.

1.I am happy now 2.From where he started (bottom, below Derby!) the mans a genius 3.There was no room for cups this year I hope this answers all your points

true fan mike you deserve ridicule and thats what you get by your continual baiting of bolton fans on here, what makes you a true fan mike, enlighten us. 1. agree 2. genius (einstein was a genius) 3. no room for cups!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not since 58! (proper cups) yet another pro megson post that beggars belief, his remit as i recall was to get into the top ten, sammy lees was to be better that of bsa, gradually you and the club are happy to lower the pole, what next, challenging in the championship, lets avoid relegation to division 1,2, conference. YOU AND THE CLUB HAVE A LOSERS MENTALITY, thats why dioufys leaving and annelka left, crowds went down and the players saw the board lacked ambition, dioufy and annelka thought we could challenge for champions league football. this id not success mike, i'm very happy, i'm prepared to give him 10 matches next season the same as lsl and i am 99% against megson because i know all about his previous club records and man management style, remember out of work for 18 months and setting up the cones for tony pullis at stoke before his leicester appointment. the fans want better than this we dont want to be LOSERS. my definition of true fans is those that put their bums on seats week in week out, not those 5000 that have already left, it can only be changed by being their, look at sporting, athletic and sunderland atmospheres that inspired all. your definition mike, lick ars# and accept 2nd best.

After BSA left, and lsl tried to change the style to quickly,and left, we where up the creek without a paddle.In came our saviour, with instructions to stay in the premiership at ALL costs, THIS HE HAS DONE. It is not a case of excepting second best but serviving the mess he inherited.Next season Mr Megson will be judged on his success or not.so lets thank the man for saving us from the championship ,for thats where we where going.

we will see, i dont think its as black and white as people make out, however he deserves the same chance as lsl which is 10 matches, personally while i'm 99% against megson it is actually futile to fire him now, he will ultimately be judged on his second transfer window, the first he ballsed up big time, yes there were some good signings, but half a job is no job in the transfer window, if all our flair and creative players leave who is there to provide goals, points and ultimately entertainment, its alright being in the 'i told you so' or the 'keep the faith' brigade but ultimately we need some substance to our hopes and aspirations. 'blind faith' and 'trust' are not enough. but the problems are much deeper than just surviving this season, both lee and megson have gone about rebuilding or knocking down what we've built depending on your take. if its not broken why fix it, at gartsides behest lee set about on an attacking football policy, megson then reverts to the opposite and openly admits he's replicating his team selections, even down bsa disdain for cup over league much as i love bsa this was his achiles heel, we should never have been in this position in the first place with the resources at our disposal. to be honest i think even megson will see off the poor quality clubs coming up next season but if we dont get 40 plus points next season we will be going down the following, armed with our transfer profit and tv money we have a distinct advantage, however i'm worried with diouf and stelios going we may become too predictable. at least we've stayed up for now, but that is only cause for very short term celebration.

In the position we where, the league had to come first.30/40 million or cup glory, for all our efforts to qualify for the UEFA cup, it had to be sacrified if there was a chance we would loose our premiership status

Only one Andy Walker wrote:

bolton-till-i-die wrote: Megson has done well to get the team out of the drop. stop moaning and critisin him, concentrate on backing the team instead of being against them. If you dont like it change teams!! --BWFC TILL I DIE-- Well done megz n all the players- brillant result keep it up against chelsea!!!

no you change teams! if you wanna stay down at the bottom ever season possible relegated under megson. i want a forward thinking manager who is going to take us higher than allardyce. I believe in being positive but not when it comes to megson how's done nothing for this club. Megson = wasting money on championship footballers like that idiot manager at fulham sanchez. I always want the best for bolton i will never settle for second best. Come you Whites. I'd like to confound the critics and get into the champions league. anything wrong with that? I always sing and scream at bolton football matches to get behind the team. quite forgiving of the players but i know when we have dropped in quality. and megsons that drop.

ABSOLUTE CRAP
WAS YOU BACKING THIS USELESS MUPPET 4 GAMES AGO I DOUBT IT
MIGHT NOT HAVE GONE DOWN THIS SEASON BUT GUESS CERTAIN NEXT SEASON WITH THIS IDIOT
NO JUSSI STELLIOS DIOUF CAMPO NOLAN HABSI
SICKNOTE GARDNER AND ANY OTHER PLAYER THAT HAS ANY SENCE OR AMBITION
4GAMES DOES NOT MAKE A SEASON

MICK wrote:
Why was megsons job to keep us up?
Ramos took over at spurs not long after megson did at bolton so was his job discription to keep spurs up?
And before anybody starts saying how much better spurs are than us they only finished 4pts and 2 places above us last year and this year are 10 points in front and have won a cup.

but spent about 40 million in between when we turned a profit if you dont invest in the prem you quickly go backwards

dan wrote:

MICK wrote: Why was megsons job to keep us up? Ramos took over at spurs not long after megson did at bolton so was his job discription to keep spurs up? And before anybody starts saying how much better spurs are than us they only finished 4pts and 2 places above us last year and this year are 10 points in front and have won a cup.

but spent about 40 million in between when we turned a profit if you dont invest in the prem you quickly go backwards

talking of money its only 5 seasons ago that our revenue was nearly that of glasgow rangers, if we'd gone down it would have been nearly that of queens park rangers!

I've been manager of Bolton for 27 games, we've taken 31 points. The previous 27, we took 22 points; we've kept 11 clean sheets, previously we'd kept four.
"When I arrived we had five points from 10 games. If that had continued we'd have been relegated.

All this proves is that Sammy Lee was an even worse choice as Manager than Megson. This is indicative of Gartslime's incompetence.

bolton-till-i-die wrote:
Megson has done well to get the team out of the drop. stop moaning and critisin him, concentrate on backing the team instead of being against them. If you dont like it change teams!! --BWFC TILL I DIE-- Well done megz n all the players- brillant result keep it up against chelsea!!!

WILL YOU P155 OFF AND GET YOUR OWN F3CK1N USER NAME!!!!!!!! IVE ASKED YOU NICELY 10 TIMES NOW...

THERE IS ONLY ONE BWFC - TIL - I - DIE AND THATS ME!!!!! U EMBARRASSED ME BY SAYING YOU WOULD RATHER BE A SCUM FAN AND NOW YOUR A MEGSON LOVER!!!! HAVE U GOT SOMRTHING ABOUT THE COLOUR RED??!!

HE'S KEPT US UP NOW HE NEEDS TO GO!!!

Blogger - you are wrong - FACT.

Sorry, it's just that whenever you post anything you always end it with - FACT...as if that gives it some almighty credence that cannot be argued against - FACT.

Didn't you say Megson would take us down - FACT? It was you wasn't it - FACT. And Julie as well - FACT.

How a Cockney describes something that is broken - FACT. Geddit? No? Suit yourself.

trotters1964 wrote:

dan wrote:

MICK wrote: Why was megsons job to keep us up? Ramos took over at spurs not long after megson did at bolton so was his job discription to keep spurs up? And before anybody starts saying how much better spurs are than us they only finished 4pts and 2 places above us last year and this year are 10 points in front and have won a cup.

but spent about 40 million in between when we turned a profit if you dont invest in the prem you quickly go backwards

talking of money its only 5 seasons ago that our revenue was nearly that of glasgow rangers, if we'd gone down it would have been nearly that of queens park rangers!

i would settle for us spending anything like q.p.r. in the next few years there board is richer than chelsea

*hitonutd wrote:

mike wrote: Will all the Manchester supporters ( or hangers on )leave this site for the true BOLTON WANDERERS supporters.

You complete t0ssp0t.I can say what I like about my TEAM and will not listen to some inbred cumbrian who prefers sheep to women. You say your a true Bolton fan, yeah right! Didn't see you running with the lifeliners in 1982 when the club was close to going bust? True fan my @rse. Postal addresses mean nothing when many fans are connected to the club and town through relatives and family histories. Say something construction or shut up you sheepsh@gging kn0b. ps remind me please what part of Bolton is windermere near!!!!!!!

It is near Moses Gate where I was born,some sheep have nice legs you know.

If we had gone down this year, there would not have been one football fan anywhere in Britain who would have shed a tear for us - WE ARE THE MOST HATED, LEAST LIKED team in the Prem because for 7 seasons now we have upset the big boys by not capitulating to the Fergusons and Wengers, next season we must get back to this big style! We must stay up again next season at all costs ( look at what is coming up fron the Championship)and learn from the lessons of some clubs who were well established prem teams when we went up seven years back - Leicester, Derby, Ipswich, Charlton, Leeds, Coventry, Southampton, plus the ones who have tried and failed - Wolves, Norwich, etc. The rewards for failure this season would have been unthinkable!
Instead of all the backbiting, why dont we get behind everyone at the club for Saturday and then be happy that next season we are still in the big league

Wow, Breezie, you have convinced me Meggers is a great manager, and Me and thousands of others were wrong about him all the time.

And of course, your biggest buddy Mr G will finally emerge from where he has been cowering to tell us the same thing.

HindleyGreenwhite wrote:
If we had gone down this year, there would not have been one football fan anywhere in Britain who would have shed a tear for us - WE ARE THE MOST HATED, LEAST LIKED team in the Prem because for 7 seasons now we have upset the big boys by not capitulating to the Fergusons and Wengers, next season we must get back to this big style! We must stay up again next season at all costs ( look at what is coming up fron the Championship)and learn from the lessons of some clubs who were well established prem teams when we went up seven years back - Leicester, Derby, Ipswich, Charlton, Leeds, Coventry, Southampton, plus the ones who have tried and failed - Wolves, Norwich, etc. The rewards for failure this season would have been unthinkable! Instead of all the backbiting, why dont we get behind everyone at the club for Saturday and then be happy that next season we are still in the big league

You should speak to that *hitonutd Manchester fan he has not been taking his happy pills again.

Julie?? Is that you? Are you still here?

Who do you think it is you daft Manc?- lol

I'd settle for the type of football that Tottenham or dare i say it Wigan are playing at the present time than what MEGSON called football this season

Ultimately Megson has kept us up with one game remaining and nobody gave him a hope. Now we should at least get behind him to see how he starts next season. He's over the first hurdle...give him that much credit. For now at least!

In the summer why not go for some of the Arsenal Team, That is the ARSENAL LADIES TEAM they have a League and cup double and they'd make a better job than some of the the dead wood we have all redy got

forgot the A= ready

The easiest thing in the world is to judge when a football Manager has succeeded.
In the case of Gary Megson he succeeded because he kept the club up.

I suggest next season set a target you think is within reach of a poorly supported club like ours with minimal funds and if that target is achieved - be happy.
My target for success amongst all those richer clubs will be to remain above the bottom three.
I can only think the whingers haven't a clue what a realistic target is.
The days of Sam Allardyce have gone unless P.G. is able to find another one from somewhere we will ,at best,languish in the lower reaches of the Premiership.And that will do for me.
I say that because I and the many other sensible supporters who realise these are the halcyon years have seen it all before.

Steve and a couple of guys from Cumbria- Gartside's dream. Happy to get the mushroom treatment all day long.

Another few thousand like you will fund another villa in the Bahamas.

Julie Moores wrote:
Steve and a couple of guys from Cumbria- Gartside's dream. Happy to get the mushroom treatment all day long. Another few thousand like you will fund another villa in the Bahamas.

I think she must be drunk by now ,and one of those secret Manchester supporters

steve wrote:
The easiest thing in the world is to judge when a football Manager has succeeded. In the case of Gary Megson he succeeded because he kept the club up. I suggest next season set a target you think is within reach of a poorly supported club like ours with minimal funds and if that target is achieved - be happy. My target for success amongst all those richer clubs will be to remain above the bottom three. I can only think the whingers haven't a clue what a realistic target is. The days of Sam Allardyce have gone unless P.G. is able to find another one from somewhere we will ,at best,languish in the lower reaches of the Premiership.And that will do for me. I say that because I and the many other sensible supporters who realise these are the halcyon years have seen it all before.

so i have steve so i'm not prepared to see the last 10 years wasted and go back to the terrible 80's, i was just happy to be there in 78 to 80 as were the then board, aim low end up lower, if your idea of success or achievement is 4th from bottom then you deserves 10 years of megson, staying up has muddied the waters, he will get a chance whether we like it or not, another change could bring worse, jewell or dowie, another poster calling people whingers and another poster putting himself on a moral pedistle above us 'whingers' and less 'sensible' supporters, also the tv funds are enourmous giving us a massive advantage over the championship clubs, we should be targeting 10th to 14th minimum, with at least 45 points .with 5 games left we had 26. very lucky or genious to get to 36 points which would normally relegate a club, more of the same for steve.

we should be targeting 10th to 14th minimum, with at least 45 points .with 5 games left we had 26. very lucky or genious to get to 36 points which would normally relegate a club, more of the same for steve.


Fair comment and good to see you set a target hopefully Megson achieves that target you're happy and won't be calling for his head.
I do think 36 points will be enough to stay up in most future seasons as a higher proportion of the points are going to the top four.

trotters1964 wrote:

steve wrote: The easiest thing in the world is to judge when a football Manager has succeeded. In the case of Gary Megson he succeeded because he kept the club up. I suggest next season set a target you think is within reach of a poorly supported club like ours with minimal funds and if that target is achieved - be happy. My target for success amongst all those richer clubs will be to remain above the bottom three. I can only think the whingers haven't a clue what a realistic target is. The days of Sam Allardyce have gone unless P.G. is able to find another one from somewhere we will ,at best,languish in the lower reaches of the Premiership.And that will do for me. I say that because I and the many other sensible supporters who realise these are the halcyon years have seen it all before.

so i have steve so i'm not prepared to see the last 10 years wasted and go back to the terrible 80's, i was just happy to be there in 78 to 80 as were the then board, aim low end up lower, if your idea of success or achievement is 4th from bottom then you deserves 10 years of megson, staying up has muddied the waters, he will get a chance whether we like it or not, another change could bring worse, jewell or dowie, another poster calling people whingers and another poster putting himself on a moral pedistle above us 'whingers' and less 'sensible' supporters, also the tv funds are enourmous giving us a massive advantage over the championship clubs, we should be targeting 10th to 14th minimum, with at least 45 points .with 5 games left we had 26. very lucky or genious to get to 36 points which would normally relegate a club, more of the same for steve.

You have been spoilt over the last few years. steve is right and Mr Megson should be given the money to bring in more Cahills steinssons and Taylors

Typical isn't it, we stay up with 10 points from 12, sell all our tickets for Chelsea away and folk are still moaning.

Fickle? Nah...

breezeblock wrote:
Typical isn't it, we stay up with 10 points from 12, sell all our tickets for Chelsea away and folk are still moaning. Fickle? Nah...

I am convinced they are secret Manchester supporters

Not to worry Mike, most of them were very clear about next season...they reckoned even if we stayed up they wouldn't be getting season tickets.

Let's see if they actually stick by their own words...

well we dont need fans who give up their season tickets because they dont like the manager but i dont doubt they will be there next season

I seemed to have upset one of them earlier ,you would not believe some of the bad language.

They're quite a touchy lot. I think some of them are quite upset that Megson has kept us up.

well by their reckoning us going down would instantly sack megson which i believe would have caused the opposite

I think that Julie and blogger must be under the table by now

Urgh, that's a horrible image.

mike wrote:
I seemed to have upset one of them earlier ,you would not believe some of the bad language.

mike and breeze are you sure you are not the same, some people seem to have more than 1 id, you both have nothing constructive to say, dish out personal abuse and support the club in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. i think i'm prepared to give megson 1% of a chance or at least 10 games next season, change now may be even more damaging, however that seems to upset both parties at present, i just dont think its black and white anymore and staying up has muddied the waters, the pair of you seem intent on staring up trouble on here, perhaps you should actually grow up and act your ages, youre not members of the junior whites, in fact kimberleys posts are far more relevant than anything ive seen from you two today.

I am sick of people coming on here saying we are punching above our weight or in a false position or ou fan base isn't big enough....what aload of bo****ks.
you may punch above your weight for one season like reading or wigan but a
top 10 team for 4 years yes thats 4 years isn't punching above there weight.

money? well just look how much the players in the arsenal team cost.
Almunia - 1.5m, Toure - 150k, Senderos - 2.5m, Gilberto - 4.5m, Clichy - nominal, Rosicky - 6.8m, Fabregas - free, Flamini - 270k (comp), Hleb - 10m, Van Persie - 3m, Adebayor - 7m)

false position?
you end up where you deserve in this league.

This is really hurting you isn't it Trotter! You had your heart set on us failing and yet we've turned it around...Saturday was a great day and I can't wait now for next season (even with Megson at the helm!).

But maybe that's because I'm an optimist in life generally and you're a tedious old bore who loves long queues at Post Offices?

mike wrote:

trotters1964 wrote:

steve wrote: The easiest thing in the world is to judge when a football Manager has succeeded. In the case of Gary Megson he succeeded because he kept the club up. I suggest next season set a target you think is within reach of a poorly supported club like ours with minimal funds and if that target is achieved - be happy. My target for success amongst all those richer clubs will be to remain above the bottom three. I can only think the whingers haven't a clue what a realistic target is. The days of Sam Allardyce have gone unless P.G. is able to find another one from somewhere we will ,at best,languish in the lower reaches of the Premiership.And that will do for me. I say that because I and the many other sensible supporters who realise these are the halcyon years have seen it all before.

so i have steve so i'm not prepared to see the last 10 years wasted and go back to the terrible 80's, i was just happy to be there in 78 to 80 as were the then board, aim low end up lower, if your idea of success or achievement is 4th from bottom then you deserves 10 years of megson, staying up has muddied the waters, he will get a chance whether we like it or not, another change could bring worse, jewell or dowie, another poster calling people whingers and another poster putting himself on a moral pedistle above us 'whingers' and less 'sensible' supporters, also the tv funds are enourmous giving us a massive advantage over the championship clubs, we should be targeting 10th to 14th minimum, with at least 45 points .with 5 games left we had 26. very lucky or genious to get to 36 points which would normally relegate a club, more of the same for steve.

You have been spoilt over the last few years. steve is right and Mr Megson should be given the money to bring in more Cahills steinssons and Taylors

and your definition of success is... seeing as you are making it your personal business to wind up people on here, its supposed to be a comments page not somewere for you to argue, how have i been spoilt, another comment without substance, weve spent most of the last 50 years outside the top flight, and most of the previous 80 inside the top flight ie 1888 to 1962 with only a couple of seasons outside the top flight, how have i been spoilt, try to be constructive this time.

breezeblock wrote:
This is really hurting you isn't it Trotter! You had your heart set on us failing and yet we've turned it around...Saturday was a great day and I can't wait now for next season (even with Megson at the helm!). But maybe that's because I'm an optimist in life generally and you're a tedious old bore who loves long queues at Post Offices?

actually i despise queues, if theres two people in a queue i will walk away, i had a great day on saturday i just want to have more of them, however if youre going to make snidey comments against all and sundry including all the people who protested. i will guarantee that if you were 50 years younger than me, i'd still be younger in my heart than you, you come over as a bitter, twisted and argumentive type just as you were on the bwfc site, you just have to go against the grain, read my comments, i'm prepared to give him a chance, my heart set on us failing, say that to my face because that is a fuc### lie and i'm not going to have that!

Hey, calm down. Life's too short...as is your temper matey!

We agree on queues though: I even shop at Sainsburys because their queues are shorter...so I pay about 15% more on groceries just because I don't have to wait an extra five minutes.

This is the most successful time in Boltons History ever, be happy,we have another year in the top flight,when I first went to the wanderers Eddie Hopkinson was in goal and we had decades of failure, enjoy what you have now.

breezeblock wrote:
Hey, calm down. Life's too short...as is your temper matey! We agree on queues though: I even shop at Sainsburys because their queues are shorter...so I pay about 15% more on groceries just because I don't have to wait an extra five minutes.

i'm skint now so have to shop in morrisons, if its not 2 for 1 it goes back on the shelves! while queing i count how much i've spent!!

you can tell the people who have done something with their lives and those who haven't.

Megson = Gordon Brown.

Some fans said we'd never get in europe.

set your goals higher and you will achieve higher.

mike wrote:
This is the most successful time in Boltons History ever, be happy,we have another year in the top flight,when I first went to the wanderers Eddie Hopkinson was in goal and we had decades of failure, enjoy what you have now.

lets keep it that way, complacency on and off the field has cost us in the 60's and the 80's you can support your team and constructively critisise at the same time, however i think we all have to justify what we say or we will just come out with soundbites like the bolton news, 20000 walked away in the 1980's if it happens again we are truly screwed. i wont be one of them, i wasnt then so i'm not going to have anyone say i want this club to fail, i'll be first in the season ticket queue even though i should be paying the mortgage

trotters1964 wrote:

mike wrote: This is the most successful time in Boltons History ever, be happy,we have another year in the top flight,when I first went to the wanderers Eddie Hopkinson was in goal and we had decades of failure, enjoy what you have now.

lets keep it that way, complacency on and off the field has cost us in the 60's and the 80's you can support your team and constructively critisise at the same time, however i think we all have to justify what we say or we will just come out with soundbites like the bolton news, 20000 walked away in the 1980's if it happens again we are truly screwed. i wont be one of them, i wasnt then so i'm not going to have anyone say i want this club to fail, i'll be first in the season ticket queue even though i should be paying the mortgage

The 20000+ gates we now get on a regular basis are much higher historicaly than we have ever had

Mesgon haters! give the guy a break, bloody hell he's no José but then again we arent Chelski. He was brought in to get us out of the hole we were in, job done! Like it or not he's gunna be here in August so stop being so childish and get behind the man, its been proven what our good support can bring to the team, just a shame that we've had to wait till the latter stages of a season to see it, get down to the bok Julie and co and get them season tickets renewed!

Only one Andy Walker wrote:
megson has got to go. we need a top manager for a top club. lets go to the next level and play more football with passion skill and guile.

LSL wanted to change the way Bolton played, unfortunately the players were not good enough to play a passing game.It would be nice to watch a game where passes are to feet rather than long punts upto the frontman.
It will take a lot of money and change of personnel to achieve this. The present players have been playing longball football for too long and are unable to change.

Apparently 25% people will suffer from depression in their life time.

I would suggest by the this forum that the figure is closer to 95%!

I suspect if you rang the Samaritans they'd hang up on you lot!

mike wrote:

trotters1964 wrote:

mike wrote: This is the most successful time in Boltons History ever, be happy,we have another year in the top flight,when I first went to the wanderers Eddie Hopkinson was in goal and we had decades of failure, enjoy what you have now.

lets keep it that way, complacency on and off the field has cost us in the 60's and the 80's you can support your team and constructively critisise at the same time, however i think we all have to justify what we say or we will just come out with soundbites like the bolton news, 20000 walked away in the 1980's if it happens again we are truly screwed. i wont be one of them, i wasnt then so i'm not going to have anyone say i want this club to fail, i'll be first in the season ticket queue even though i should be paying the mortgage

The 20000+ gates we now get on a regular basis are much higher historicaly than we have ever had

point taken, but wasnt it 22,000 in 77/78 and 24,000 in top flight 78/79 followed by a 6,000 drop for two consecutive seasons. between 1976 and 1980 our crowds averaged between 18,000 and 24,000 and had come from about 12,000 in the mid seventies similar to todays patterns just we stayed in top flight this time longer, i think if you check the record books you will find i'm quite close without wishing to belittle your point, our recent averages 20,000 to 25000 mirror our averages of the 1950's when we were top flight for a long period, our average in 1958 was about 28,000 and higher in some earlier seasons. i think we can expect an average of 20,000 to 25,000 for top flight football, if we lose even half these we are up the creek without a paddle, coupled with the tv money loss we are the club which will suffer the biggest crowd losses, some teams get relegated and perversely their crowds go up or stay the same, we go down and 50% bog off, we were fickle in 1963 and 1980 and the same will happen again, we must not repeat the mistakes of the past, if that means replacing/not replacing megson so be it. but if we go down it may be a long time before we go back up again, i reiterate my point, stability for now, allow transfers in, not out, megson to get 10 games, like lsl, then review it but a top quality manager must come in, if there was one available i'd fire megson now, remember he was appointed and headhunted by curtis, who gartside thinks the sun shines out of. i'd have a job if i was on a shortlist of one, never have i heard a football person like souness (bitter or not) say the process was a charade, for thats what it was, i defy both you and breeze to say megson was your number 1 choice. we've got the manager we deserve after all the 'boring football' jibes that many so called fans aimed at allardyce, and as for the fans that deserted under allardyce words fail me, we've no chance of winning them back under allardyce, but would we want them back.

You need every fan back, simple as! Slugs not interested in you or me, he's got us, its Joe Bloggs he's interested in getting through the gates!!

Trotter, hang on mate, NO-ONE wanted Megson as first choice. That much you can say for certain. Doesn't help your argument either way.

trotters1964 wrote:

mike wrote:

Julie Moores wrote: I am so stupid. I didnt realies till now that Mr Megson had been brought in to :- Make us a laughing stock Confirm this club has no ambition beyond 17th in Prem league Pick teams that will guarantee first round cup exits. Thanks for pointing this out.

1.I am happy now 2.From where he started (bottom, below Derby!) the mans a genius 3.There was no room for cups this year I hope this answers all your points

true fan mike you deserve ridicule and thats what you get by your continual baiting of bolton fans on here, what makes you a true fan mike, enlighten us.

1. agree

2. genius (einstein was a genius)

3. no room for cups!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not since 58! (proper cups)

yet another pro megson post that beggars belief, his remit as i recall was to get into the top ten, sammy lees was to be better that of bsa, gradually you and the club are happy to lower the pole, what next, challenging in the championship, lets avoid relegation to division 1,2, conference. YOU AND THE CLUB HAVE A LOSERS MENTALITY, thats why dioufys leaving and annelka left, crowds went down and the players saw the board lacked ambition, dioufy and annelka thought we could challenge for champions league football.

this id not success mike, i'm very happy, i'm prepared to give him 10 matches next season the same as lsl and i am 99% against megson because i know all about his previous club records and man management style, remember out of work for 18 months and setting up the cones for tony pullis at stoke before his leicester appointment. the fans want better than this we dont want to be LOSERS. my definition of true fans is those that put their bums on seats week in week out, not those 5000 that have already left, it can only be changed by being their, look at sporting, athletic and sunderland atmospheres that inspired all. your definition mike, lick ars# and accept 2nd best.

Well said, that man !
I've been trying to get across before that this "we've been over-achieving" nonsense is negative, defeatist, and self-destructive. To be successful to any degree, you have to do the best you possibly can with the resources you have and you must aim high.

steve wrote:
we should be targeting 10th to 14th minimum, with at least 45 points .with 5 games left we had 26. very lucky or genious to get to 36 points which would normally relegate a club, more of the same for steve. Fair comment and good to see you set a target hopefully Megson achieves that target you're happy and won't be calling for his head. I do think 36 points will be enough to stay up in most future seasons as a higher proportion of the points are going to the top four.

I feel people are missing the point if they think our points tally is the only indicator of "success". Imagine if the whole of the bottom half of the Prem was managed by Megson, Boothroyd, Warnock, Tony Pulis, John Beck etc etc ie long ball/"practical" managers - it would be absolutely dreadful for everyone involved, yet only a max of 3 could be deemed to be "failures". Also nobody would try in any of the cups and nobody would be able to attract any decent foreign players due to the fact that good players dont want to play that type of football. We dont want negative, anti-football management, we want somebody in charge that shares our enjoyment in football, not 1 that grinds out horrible 1-0's or 0-0's againt very average opponents. I'm sick of people saying he kept us up so he succeeded - to me alienating BWFC fans and making us even more unpopular elsewhere does not represent success.

Jon W wrote:

steve wrote: we should be targeting 10th to 14th minimum, with at least 45 points .with 5 games left we had 26. very lucky or genious to get to 36 points which would normally relegate a club, more of the same for steve. Fair comment and good to see you set a target hopefully Megson achieves that target you're happy and won't be calling for his head. I do think 36 points will be enough to stay up in most future seasons as a higher proportion of the points are going to the top four.

I feel people are missing the point if they think our points tally is the only indicator of "success". Imagine if the whole of the bottom half of the Prem was managed by Megson, Boothroyd, Warnock, Tony Pulis, John Beck etc etc ie long ball/"practical" managers - it would be absolutely dreadful for everyone involved, yet only a max of 3 could be deemed to be "failures". Also nobody would try in any of the cups and nobody would be able to attract any decent foreign players due to the fact that good players dont want to play that type of football. We dont want negative, anti-football management, we want somebody in charge that shares our enjoyment in football, not 1 that grinds out horrible 1-0's or 0-0's againt very average opponents. I'm sick of people saying he kept us up so he succeeded - to me alienating BWFC fans and making us even more unpopular elsewhere does not represent success.

Norwich tried to play "entertaining football"
look where they are now.

mike wrote:

trotters1964 wrote:

mike wrote: This is the most successful time in Boltons History ever, be happy,we have another year in the top flight,when I first went to the wanderers Eddie Hopkinson was in goal and we had decades of failure, enjoy what you have now.

lets keep it that way, complacency on and off the field has cost us in the 60's and the 80's you can support your team and constructively critisise at the same time, however i think we all have to justify what we say or we will just come out with soundbites like the bolton news, 20000 walked away in the 1980's if it happens again we are truly screwed. i wont be one of them, i wasnt then so i'm not going to have anyone say i want this club to fail, i'll be first in the season ticket queue even though i should be paying the mortgage

The 20000+ gates we now get on a regular basis are much higher historicaly than we have ever had

That's purely down to 2 factors - 3000+ away fans, which is much more than in most seasons pre-Reebok, and the emphasis on having a season ticket due to all seater grounds. If we didnt have 13,000 season ticket holders there is no way we would be getting more than 10,000 for some games. We only have to look at cup tie attendances to see how many die-hard fans we have. By the way we arent alone in this, if it wasnt for season tickets I reckon crowds in the top 2 divisions (the all seater stadiums) would be about half what they are now (excluding the mega sized clubs).

Boltonian wrote:

Only one Andy Walker wrote: megson has got to go. we need a top manager for a top club. lets go to the next level and play more football with passion skill and guile.

LSL wanted to change the way Bolton played, unfortunately the players were not good enough to play a passing game.It would be nice to watch a game where passes are to feet rather than long punts upto the frontman. It will take a lot of money and change of personnel to achieve this. The present players have been playing longball football for too long and are unable to change.

No it wouldnt, we already have the players, it just takes the manager to pick the better players. O'Brien or Andranik? Cohen or Stelios? Rasiak or AN Other? This is not about changing the style of play, its about picking 1 or 2 players who base their game around creating chances and not around making very poor attempts to tackle. It will not cost a penny to change the way we play - except to pay off Megson's contract and get anyone else in that's available within reason (and neither of our last 2 managers have been within reason).

mike wrote:

Jon W wrote:

steve wrote: we should be targeting 10th to 14th minimum, with at least 45 points .with 5 games left we had 26. very lucky or genious to get to 36 points which would normally relegate a club, more of the same for steve. Fair comment and good to see you set a target hopefully Megson achieves that target you're happy and won't be calling for his head. I do think 36 points will be enough to stay up in most future seasons as a higher proportion of the points are going to the top four.

I feel people are missing the point if they think our points tally is the only indicator of "success". Imagine if the whole of the bottom half of the Prem was managed by Megson, Boothroyd, Warnock, Tony Pulis, John Beck etc etc ie long ball/"practical" managers - it would be absolutely dreadful for everyone involved, yet only a max of 3 could be deemed to be "failures". Also nobody would try in any of the cups and nobody would be able to attract any decent foreign players due to the fact that good players dont want to play that type of football. We dont want negative, anti-football management, we want somebody in charge that shares our enjoyment in football, not 1 that grinds out horrible 1-0's or 0-0's againt very average opponents. I'm sick of people saying he kept us up so he succeeded - to me alienating BWFC fans and making us even more unpopular elsewhere does not represent success.

Norwich tried to play "entertaining football" look where they are now.

I repeat, do you want every club in the bottom half to be route 1 merchants? Fulham, Wigan, Reading, Blackburn, Reading last season, all small clubs who have shown you dont have to play 1 up front to win a game of football. What I dont get is people are saying the end justifies the means, but its only because Joey O'Brien and Cohen and Rasiak got injured that they didnt play any significant part in our recent revival. Yet you want this negative manager to be picking our team for next season too! So Norwich arent doing very well - right all 20 teams in the Prem to play "tackling football" - cant wait.

If we are charitable and just take Negson's average point tally since taking over it is 1.1 per game: in itself usually enough to keep a team in the prem.

However, if we take the 2006/07 whole season - the average was 1.5: enough to get into Europe. ie Negson's success is actually almost 30% BELOW that of the previous season.

Negson, of course, chooses to compare his paltry record against the failing period which began in January 2007. However, we couldn't have done much worse if Lofty had been made manager: so we appointed Shorty and got 0.5 points per game (over only 10 matches though - and Negson had this return in the 10 grames prior to West Ham at home)

Does anyone know whether Martin Jol has a job yet. I know he turned Birmingham down after Bruce had gone.

I never liked Megson and still don't. To all those Megson lovers ..... We have to aim high to achieve. We are a club that is capable of reaching positions between 5 and 10 in the prem. To do that we need to attract and either buy or loan some quality players. Megson has been incredibly lucky for two reasons. 1. A lot of the players have battled hard for their own pride. 2. We got hammered at Boro and Spurs and came away with 4 very lucky points. If you wathced the games then you can't possibly deny that.

It is possible for BWFC to compete with Boro, West Ham, Pompey, Everton, Wigan etc. We don't have to become a backs to the wall, survival at any costs team. It wont be easy and the most important factor will be a manager that is capable of attracting the quality we need within our spending limits. BSA was wrong to say we could move up to compete with the top four. But what we actually needed was to keep spending just to maintain our level. What we actually did was to go down a level in both player and manager quality.

Have a good look at the players that Megson has attracted to the clubs he has managed. Please don't include Steinsson because he came because of Gudni. Cahill has potential and Taylor I'm still not convinced about. Rednap is too good a manager to let a quality player leave. I think we payed twice the money he was worth, but I'll reserve judgement.

I think those people saying give Megson a chance are setting their goals too low. I don't think he will attract the players we need to rebuild a team that is capable of a top half finish. If Martin Jol was available I believe he is the calibre of manager to attract the players we need. We didn't punch above our weight. We had a very astute manager who attracted the talent we needed. BSA however did get it wrong. He set his own personal aims too high. We didn't need 25 million to move to the next level. We needed it just to stay where we were.

Even Keegan admitted yesterday that Newcastle can't compete with billionaires spending power. Liverpool have spent over 80 million recently and they need to spend more to break into the top 3. Arsenal don't spend that sort of money but they have a manager that gets the best young players from all over the world.

We need someone like BSA, but someone who is more realistic about where we are and who we can compete with.

Stop moaning,we are safe in the top flight .
A positiom a dozen bigger clubs would give their right arm to be in .
I WILL ENJOY THE CHELSEA GAME NOW GOTTA PLAY 10-0-0 HA !HA!

davie wrote:
Stop moaning,we are safe in the top flight . A positiom a dozen bigger clubs would give their right arm to be in . I WILL ENJOY THE CHELSEA GAME NOW GOTTA PLAY 10-0-0 HA !HA!

Name them and the moaning will sease! on my behalf anyway!

fernando wrote:
Does anyone know whether Martin Jol has a job yet. I know he turned Birmingham down after Bruce had gone.

I never liked Megson and still don't. To all those Megson lovers ..... We have to aim high to achieve. We are a club that is capable of reaching positions between 5 and 10 in the prem. To do that we need to attract and either buy or loan some quality players. Megson has been incredibly lucky for two reasons. 1. A lot of the players have battled hard for their own pride. 2. We got hammered at Boro and Spurs and came away with 4 very lucky points. If you wathced the games then you can't possibly deny that.

It is possible for BWFC to compete with Boro, West Ham, Pompey, Everton, Wigan etc. We don't have to become a backs to the wall, survival at any costs team. It wont be easy and the most important factor will be a manager that is capable of attracting the quality we need within our spending limits. BSA was wrong to say we could move up to compete with the top four. But what we actually needed was to keep spending just to maintain our level. What we actually did was to go down a level in both player and manager quality.

Have a good look at the players that Megson has attracted to the clubs he has managed. Please don't include Steinsson because he came because of Gudni. Cahill has potential and Taylor I'm still not convinced about. Rednap is too good a manager to let a quality player leave. I think we payed twice the money he was worth, but I'll reserve judgement.

I think those people saying give Megson a chance are setting their goals too low. I don't think he will attract the players we need to rebuild a team that is capable of a top half finish. If Martin Jol was available I believe he is the calibre of manager to attract the players we need. We didn't punch above our weight. We had a very astute manager who attracted the talent we needed. BSA however did get it wrong. He set his own personal aims too high. We didn't need 25 million to move to the next level. We needed it just to stay where we were.

Even Keegan admitted yesterday that Newcastle can't compete with billionaires spending power. Liverpool have spent over 80 million recently and they need to spend more to break into the top 3. Arsenal don't spend that sort of money but they have a manager that gets the best young players from all over the world.

We need someone like BSA, but someone who is more realistic about where we are and who we can compete with.

completely agree with everything you have said in your post.

I like the idea of Jol or someone who can attract better players.

Megson will always operate in the lower leagues. he will never get better players than we have now. he just can't attract them.

would love to sign Bafe Gomis and Pascal FEINDOUNO, but will megson be able to attract these players. No i can only see championship players coming hope to prove themselves like Rski kack.

Well our standards are much higher than megsons. He thinks he's done well. that's because his standards are very low.

Get rid of this clueless man.

MEGSON HAS DONE THE JOB MORE GOOD LUCK THAN GOOD MANAGEMENT SKILLS/STYLES/THEORI

ES OR LEADERSHIP

mike wrote:

Jon W wrote:

steve wrote: we should be targeting 10th to 14th minimum, with at least 45 points .with 5 games left we had 26. very lucky or genious to get to 36 points which would normally relegate a club, more of the same for steve. Fair comment and good to see you set a target hopefully Megson achieves that target you're happy and won't be calling for his head. I do think 36 points will be enough to stay up in most future seasons as a higher proportion of the points are going to the top four.

I feel people are missing the point if they think our points tally is the only indicator of "success". Imagine if the whole of the bottom half of the Prem was managed by Megson, Boothroyd, Warnock, Tony Pulis, John Beck etc etc ie long ball/"practical" managers - it would be absolutely dreadful for everyone involved, yet only a max of 3 could be deemed to be "failures". Also nobody would try in any of the cups and nobody would be able to attract any decent foreign players due to the fact that good players dont want to play that type of football. We dont want negative, anti-football management, we want somebody in charge that shares our enjoyment in football, not 1 that grinds out horrible 1-0's or 0-0's againt very average opponents. I'm sick of people saying he kept us up so he succeeded - to me alienating BWFC fans and making us even more unpopular elsewhere does not represent success.

Norwich tried to play "entertaining football" look where they are now.

i watched norwich play, entertaining lol, i wouldnt have watched them if it was free and in my back garden, name me any of those memorable 4-4 draws that norwich had, bet you cant.