FORMER Wanderers striker Mario Jardel has admitted taking cocaine - and revealed drug abuse is common among footballers.
The former Brazil international said depression and the decline of his marriage six years ago led him to the drug.
He also suggested his spell at the Reebok did not help the situation, coming in the middle of a run that saw him join eight clubs in five seasons, with little success at any.
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Jardel, once one of the hottest properties in Europe after scoring 168 goals in 161 games for Porto, signed for Bolton from Sporting Lisbon for £1.5million in August 2003.
But he left for Ancona the following January after scoring just three goals - all in the League Cup - in 12 appearances.
"I only consumed one drug, cocaine, but not while I was playing. I only took it during vacations," said the 34-year-old. "This happens a lot in football, but I can't talk about it."
Jardel, currently a free agent, added: "When I went to some smaller teams, how could I score if there were no players that could put the ball at my feet? It all got worse and the problems snowballed."
Never mind the problems with the White Colombian Marching Powder addiction, I think he had a problem with Mcdonalds, KFC and Burger King addiction when he was at the Reebok.
Never mind the problems with the White Colombian Marching Powder addiction, I think he had a problem with Mcdonalds, KFC and Burger King addiction when he was at the Reebok.
It didn't help that one of his fellow team mates at Lisbon was at it with his missus! Then he came here and one of ours was at it too! (Not naming any names but he went to Birmingham!).
It didn't help that one of his fellow team mates at Lisbon was at it with his missus! Then he came here and one of ours was at it too! (Not naming any names but he went to Birmingham!).
Posted by: roytheboy, bolton on 9:59am Tue 29 Apr 08
If we cant comment on the sam story in the appropriate place we should do it here! sam mentions the break up of the back room staff as a big reason why we are struggling... didnt he take a lot of them to newcastle meaning we had to change things?
If we cant comment on the sam story in the appropriate place we should do it here! sam mentions the break up of the back room staff as a big reason why we are struggling... didnt he take a lot of them to newcastle meaning we had to change things?
Posted by: billynomates, bolton on 10:07am Tue 29 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Brak[/bold] wrote:
Why can't we comment on the Sam story? Also Neil Bonnar - when did Sam say this and to who? It's not very informative.[/quote] does seem strange we cant put any comments on sams story! but he would say that after he left saying hes taken the club as far as he can? what did he expect the club to do carry on with older players? it was allways going to be hard this season but next season if we are in the prem i expect us to do well with a couple of good signings. as for big sam hes trying to get back as manager of the mighty whites with the sound of it. but i dont want him back as he tryed his best to nick all our staff and some of our players so he had a good input in making our season hard! what a load rubbish hes talking.
Brak wrote:
Why can't we comment on the Sam story? Also Neil Bonnar - when did Sam say this and to who? It's not very informative.
does seem strange we cant put any comments on sams story! but he would say that after he left saying hes taken the club as far as he can? what did he expect the club to do carry on with older players? it was allways going to be hard this season but next season if we are in the prem i expect us to do well with a couple of good signings. as for big sam hes trying to get back as manager of the mighty whites with the sound of it. but i dont want him back as he tryed his best to nick all our staff and some of our players so he had a good input in making our season hard! what a load rubbish hes talking.
[quote][bold]billynomates[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Brak[/bold] wrote: Why can't we comment on the Sam story? Also Neil Bonnar - when did Sam say this and to who? It's not very informative.[/quote] does seem strange we cant put any comments on sams story! but he would say that after he left saying hes taken the club as far as he can? what did he expect the club to do carry on with older players? it was allways going to be hard this season but next season if we are in the prem i expect us to do well with a couple of good signings. as for big sam hes trying to get back as manager of the mighty whites with the sound of it. but i dont want him back as he tryed his best to nick all our staff and some of our players so he had a good input in making our season hard! what a load rubbish hes talking.[/quote] I think that youl will all find that it was spurrilous and slanderous comment(s) that related to a rumoured illicit affair between two married people - that got the thread closed down - Not BSA comments about BWFC
You cannot post rumours apperatining to somebodies personal life on a website
billynomates wrote:
Brak wrote: Why can't we comment on the Sam story? Also Neil Bonnar - when did Sam say this and to who? It's not very informative.
does seem strange we cant put any comments on sams story! but he would say that after he left saying hes taken the club as far as he can? what did he expect the club to do carry on with older players? it was allways going to be hard this season but next season if we are in the prem i expect us to do well with a couple of good signings. as for big sam hes trying to get back as manager of the mighty whites with the sound of it. but i dont want him back as he tryed his best to nick all our staff and some of our players so he had a good input in making our season hard! what a load rubbish hes talking.
I think that youl will all find that it was spurrilous and slanderous comment(s) that related to a rumoured illicit affair between two married people - that got the thread closed down - Not BSA comments about BWFC
You cannot post rumours apperatining to somebodies personal life on a website
Posted by: billynomates, bolton on 10:33am Tue 29 Apr 08
im not bothered about who evers personal life! just what big sam did to our football club when he left and trying to say what other people had done and how much he loves our club? what a load of rubbish! i saw his delight on his face on the first day of the season.i could not waite till he got sacked after that.
im not bothered about who evers personal life! just what big sam did to our football club when he left and trying to say what other people had done and how much he loves our club? what a load of rubbish! i saw his delight on his face on the first day of the season.i could not waite till he got sacked after that.
Posted by: yonmons, Portsmouth on 10:35am Tue 29 Apr 08
I`ll tell you why we cant comment on the Sam story because some Kn*b made allegations against Sam involving his private life, when I saw them I realised the comments thread (on that story would be deleted) SOME people just NEVER learn.
I`ll tell you why we cant comment on the Sam story because some Kn*b made allegations against Sam involving his private life, when I saw them I realised the comments thread (on that story would be deleted) SOME people just NEVER learn.
I am sure youre right. People with an IQ of less than 10 should not be allowed on this site, but sadly some do get through.
It was great to see Sam on Sky Sports speaking with authority on his subject. A giant of men compared to our current Chairman and the 2 Yes Men he has appointed since.
I am sure youre right. People with an IQ of less than 10 should not be allowed on this site, but sadly some do get through.
It was great to see Sam on Sky Sports speaking with authority on his subject. A giant of men compared to our current Chairman and the 2 Yes Men he has appointed since.
Posted by: wrothy, westhoughton on 11:07am Tue 29 Apr 08
[quote][bold]billynomates[/bold] wrote:
im not bothered about who evers personal life! just what big sam did to our football club when he left and trying to say what other people had done and how much he loves our club? what a load of rubbish! i saw his delight on his face on the first day of the season.i could not waite till he got sacked after that.[/quote] what he did to our football club??
yeah finishing 6th 7th 8th and 8th three cup semi finals two european qualifications,attra
cting players like jay jay youri,bruno,heirro,a
nelka,el hadji,ect ect yeah he made a right pigs ear of it did'nt he,the delight on his face first game of the season was directed at gartslime not the club,cos if you have forgot our fantastic chairman went live on air to publicly slag off big sam for the fantastic work he had done and told the world that sammy lee was far better then sacked him after 10 games,and also refused sams family entry into the directors box no wonder he was laughing,a lot of people on here have very short memories!!!!!
billynomates wrote:
im not bothered about who evers personal life! just what big sam did to our football club when he left and trying to say what other people had done and how much he loves our club? what a load of rubbish! i saw his delight on his face on the first day of the season.i could not waite till he got sacked after that.
what he did to our football club??
yeah finishing 6th 7th 8th and 8th three cup semi finals two european qualifications,attra
cting players like jay jay youri,bruno,heirro,a
nelka,el hadji,ect ect yeah he made a right pigs ear of it did'nt he,the delight on his face first game of the season was directed at gartslime not the club,cos if you have forgot our fantastic chairman went live on air to publicly slag off big sam for the fantastic work he had done and told the world that sammy lee was far better then sacked him after 10 games,and also refused sams family entry into the directors box no wonder he was laughing,a lot of people on here have very short memories!!!!!
Posted by: Gareth Jones, Australia on 11:20am Tue 29 Apr 08
It was a gamble by Allardyce that at the time seemed worthwhile but unfortunately didn't come off. Allardyce made other mistakes too but his achievements far outweigh the failures. And I'm sure all sensible supporters would agree with this.
In a BN story headlined Big Sam Savages Whites, Allardyce is reported saying: "To see the demise of a team that was put together over a huge period of time and then virtually all pulled apart, and I am not just talking about on the field but off the field, is quite sad and upsetting for me."
Big Sam Savages Whites is an incendiary headline and Allardyce's remarks could hardly be described as scathing.
Wanderers supporters are almost unanimous in their dissatisfaction with the on-field and off-field management of Megson and Gartside.
A majority of supporters want to see the back of this pair, and surviving relegation won't change their view, neither will Pravda propaganda tactics by the Bolton Evening News.
It was a gamble by Allardyce that at the time seemed worthwhile but unfortunately didn't come off. Allardyce made other mistakes too but his achievements far outweigh the failures. And I'm sure all sensible supporters would agree with this.
In a BN story headlined Big Sam Savages Whites, Allardyce is reported saying: "To see the demise of a team that was put together over a huge period of time and then virtually all pulled apart, and I am not just talking about on the field but off the field, is quite sad and upsetting for me."
Big Sam Savages Whites is an incendiary headline and Allardyce's remarks could hardly be described as scathing.
Wanderers supporters are almost unanimous in their dissatisfaction with the on-field and off-field management of Megson and Gartside.
A majority of supporters want to see the back of this pair, and surviving relegation won't change their view, neither will Pravda propaganda tactics by the Bolton Evening News.
Posted by: BWFC - TIL - I - DIE, BOLTON on 11:51am Tue 29 Apr 08
No doubting the success he brought us over his 8 years but big sam did rip a lot of our backroom staff apart when he left.. Again, it wasnt directed at bwfc but at gartside!!! He wanted to show pg that it was him and mainly him that built bwfc up and that he could also take it down again at any time, trouble is, that personal feud has done serious long term damage to our club and not just gartside. i still think sam will be back one day in some capacity !!
at the minute though, lets just concentrate on survival!!!
No doubting the success he brought us over his 8 years but big sam did rip a lot of our backroom staff apart when he left.. Again, it wasnt directed at bwfc but at gartside!!! He wanted to show pg that it was him and mainly him that built bwfc up and that he could also take it down again at any time, trouble is, that personal feud has done serious long term damage to our club and not just gartside. i still think sam will be back one day in some capacity !!
at the minute though, lets just concentrate on survival!!!
Posted by: BoltonAndy, Newcastle upon Tyne on 11:59am Tue 29 Apr 08
The comments were made on Talksport yesterday morning. I agree with the vast majority of what he was saying, however I think Sam was being disingenous when he said it was sad that things were pulled apart off the field as well. Unfortunately he was responsible for a lot of that by enticing a lot of Bolton's back room staff away to Newcastle. Don't forget as well that it was he who recruited Sammy Lee to our club as well who is more responsible than most for what has been a catastrophic season.
The comments were made on Talksport yesterday morning. I agree with the vast majority of what he was saying, however I think Sam was being disingenous when he said it was sad that things were pulled apart off the field as well. Unfortunately he was responsible for a lot of that by enticing a lot of Bolton's back room staff away to Newcastle. Don't forget as well that it was he who recruited Sammy Lee to our club as well who is more responsible than most for what has been a catastrophic season.
Posted by: suffrinmick, bolton on 12:00pm Tue 29 Apr 08
If you heard the actual interview (and the tone of his voice) yesterday on talkSPORT you would realise that everything Big Sam said was actually spot-on. He said it became clear that sufficient funds would not be made available to develop the club further than we were at the time. He now looks at the club, "which is my boyhood club", and sees all his good work being torn apart. By the tone of his voice he would probably more likely to have had a tear in his eye rather than looking like a roaring lion.
No wonder we're rubbish - the setup at the time was brilliant: players well looked after, treated properly (in a scientific and medical way). I can imagine the only thing to do with medicine in Mr Megson's training regime would be a medicine ball! "Here...do a few squats with that, run round the pitch a few times and then have a kick about." ???
If you heard the actual interview (and the tone of his voice) yesterday on talkSPORT you would realise that everything Big Sam said was actually spot-on. He said it became clear that sufficient funds would not be made available to develop the club further than we were at the time. He now looks at the club, "which is my boyhood club", and sees all his good work being torn apart. By the tone of his voice he would probably more likely to have had a tear in his eye rather than looking like a roaring lion.
No wonder we're rubbish - the setup at the time was brilliant: players well looked after, treated properly (in a scientific and medical way). I can imagine the only thing to do with medicine in Mr Megson's training regime would be a medicine ball! "Here...do a few squats with that, run round the pitch a few times and then have a kick about." ???
Posted by: il duce, bolton on 12:08pm Tue 29 Apr 08
hopefully sam can come back and sort out this mess at the reebok. its public knowledge of his and gartsides tiff so the only way that hed be back is leading some kind of consortium, and i think all these rumours have no real truth to them. allardyce wants to get back into management so i think the only real possibility weve got of getting rid of megson and gartside is a random takeover
i just cant get excited about the wanderers with these guys in charge. even in the midst of what should be an exciting relegation battle, i just really dont care. every game is so boring these days. there need to be changes at the top or else the club risks losing a lot of fans like me, who think football should be exciting and played in the pursuit of victory, rather than this stagnant rubbish we watch every week
whos going to be that joyous about avoiding relegation?????? knowing we have another season with these goons in charge. my reaction will be one of apathy, excitement is impossible under the current regime, who have squeezed the fun out of the game
hopefully sam can come back and sort out this mess at the reebok. its public knowledge of his and gartsides tiff so the only way that hed be back is leading some kind of consortium, and i think all these rumours have no real truth to them. allardyce wants to get back into management so i think the only real possibility weve got of getting rid of megson and gartside is a random takeover
i just cant get excited about the wanderers with these guys in charge. even in the midst of what should be an exciting relegation battle, i just really dont care. every game is so boring these days. there need to be changes at the top or else the club risks losing a lot of fans like me, who think football should be exciting and played in the pursuit of victory, rather than this stagnant rubbish we watch every week
whos going to be that joyous about avoiding relegation?????? knowing we have another season with these goons in charge. my reaction will be one of apathy, excitement is impossible under the current regime, who have squeezed the fun out of the game
Posted by: Ian, Lancaster on 12:23pm Tue 29 Apr 08
If you go onto TalkSport's website you can hear the interview on there. I totally agree with Allardyce, there has been complete mismanagement of our club and it all boils down to Gartside. Replacing the best English manager at the time with a total amateur was not only the cheap option, it was the wrong option. 12 months ago the Bolton job was very attractive, and 12 months ago Megson wouldn't even have got a sniff at it. Then replacing Lee with Megson was again a cheap choice. Bruce for £3m or Megson for £300k, there only one choice for Gartside. In the hiring procedure he goes to Mark Curtis, Megson's former agent for advice and what a big surprise that a former client of Curtis gets the job. Then onto the Anelka fiasco, we were promised contingency plans if our top player was sold, and who do we get in a moment of panic when such plans don't materialise. A player who is arguably the worst player to ever wear the white shirt.
There is also the management of Lee, who had perhaps the worse summer transfer window in our clubs history. Totally lost the dressing room with poor methods. Then Megson has proved to be tactically inept as shown since January, and the lack of effort by players under Megson at times (i.e. Villa away) has shown he isn't the right man to take the club forwards.
To have seen our club implode the way it has over the last 12 months is saddening, but I do hope we stay up because the Premiership is the place to be. But I just hope that staying up doesn't mean the staying of Gartside, as he has to be held accountable for his decisions over the last 12 months, and even the past few years because not giving the financial backing to Allardyce has shown to be criminal.
GARTSIDE OUT!!
If you go onto TalkSport's website you can hear the interview on there. I totally agree with Allardyce, there has been complete mismanagement of our club and it all boils down to Gartside. Replacing the best English manager at the time with a total amateur was not only the cheap option, it was the wrong option. 12 months ago the Bolton job was very attractive, and 12 months ago Megson wouldn't even have got a sniff at it. Then replacing Lee with Megson was again a cheap choice. Bruce for £3m or Megson for £300k, there only one choice for Gartside. In the hiring procedure he goes to Mark Curtis, Megson's former agent for advice and what a big surprise that a former client of Curtis gets the job. Then onto the Anelka fiasco, we were promised contingency plans if our top player was sold, and who do we get in a moment of panic when such plans don't materialise. A player who is arguably the worst player to ever wear the white shirt.
There is also the management of Lee, who had perhaps the worse summer transfer window in our clubs history. Totally lost the dressing room with poor methods. Then Megson has proved to be tactically inept as shown since January, and the lack of effort by players under Megson at times (i.e. Villa away) has shown he isn't the right man to take the club forwards.
To have seen our club implode the way it has over the last 12 months is saddening, but I do hope we stay up because the Premiership is the place to be. But I just hope that staying up doesn't mean the staying of Gartside, as he has to be held accountable for his decisions over the last 12 months, and even the past few years because not giving the financial backing to Allardyce has shown to be criminal.
Posted by: il duce, bolton on 12:26pm Tue 29 Apr 08
[quote][bold]BWFC - TIL - I - DIE[/bold] wrote:
No doubting the success he brought us over his 8 years but big sam did rip a lot of our backroom staff apart when he left.. Again, it wasnt directed at bwfc but at gartside!!! He wanted to show pg that it was him and mainly him that built bwfc up and that he could also take it down again at any time, trouble is, that personal feud has done serious long term damage to our club and not just gartside. i still think sam will be back one day in some capacity !!
at the minute though, lets just concentrate on survival!!![/quote] dont see why this is such a major thing that sam took the backroom staff. are we not allowed to replace them or something???????? the main thing is is that he put the backroom staff structure in place and when some staff left we should have got adequate replacements
and you never answered my question about coming to the reebok to see the opposition or see bolton win. i just wanna know why you rate playing in the premier league higher than bolton winning things
BWFC - TIL - I - DIE wrote:
No doubting the success he brought us over his 8 years but big sam did rip a lot of our backroom staff apart when he left.. Again, it wasnt directed at bwfc but at gartside!!! He wanted to show pg that it was him and mainly him that built bwfc up and that he could also take it down again at any time, trouble is, that personal feud has done serious long term damage to our club and not just gartside. i still think sam will be back one day in some capacity !!
at the minute though, lets just concentrate on survival!!!
dont see why this is such a major thing that sam took the backroom staff. are we not allowed to replace them or something???????? the main thing is is that he put the backroom staff structure in place and when some staff left we should have got adequate replacements
and you never answered my question about coming to the reebok to see the opposition or see bolton win. i just wanna know why you rate playing in the premier league higher than bolton winning things
Posted by: King Cain, Bolton on 12:32pm Tue 29 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Ian[/bold] wrote:
If you go onto TalkSport's website you can hear the interview on there. I totally agree with Allardyce, there has been complete mismanagement of our club and it all boils down to Gartside. Replacing the best English manager at the time with a total amateur was not only the cheap option, it was the wrong option. 12 months ago the Bolton job was very attractive, and 12 months ago Megson wouldn't even have got a sniff at it. Then replacing Lee with Megson was again a cheap choice. Bruce for £3m or Megson for £300k, there only one choice for Gartside. In the hiring procedure he goes to Mark Curtis, Megson's former agent for advice and what a big surprise that a former client of Curtis gets the job. Then onto the Anelka fiasco, we were promised contingency plans if our top player was sold, and who do we get in a moment of panic when such plans don't materialise. A player who is arguably the worst player to ever wear the white shirt. There is also the management of Lee, who had perhaps the worse summer transfer window in our clubs history. Totally lost the dressing room with poor methods. Then Megson has proved to be tactically inept as shown since January, and the lack of effort by players under Megson at times (i.e. Villa away) has shown he isn't the right man to take the club forwards. To have seen our club implode the way it has over the last 12 months is saddening, but I do hope we stay up because the Premiership is the place to be. But I just hope that staying up doesn't mean the staying of Gartside, as he has to be held accountable for his decisions over the last 12 months, and even the past few years because not giving the financial backing to Allardyce has shown to be criminal. GARTSIDE OUT!![/quote] Bang on - well said. Where are my comments that were under the Big Sam article? Have they pulled it? I still feel that it was perhaps time for Big Sam to move on but only if a top class manager was sought who could continue the good work evolving the playing side unlike LSL who was a cheap, yes man, risky appointment who tried to change way too much yet preached about evolution rather than revolution - cretin. Thinking of those interviews still make me cringe. Having said all that considering the current predicament we are in i would have Sam back.
Ian wrote:
If you go onto TalkSport's website you can hear the interview on there. I totally agree with Allardyce, there has been complete mismanagement of our club and it all boils down to Gartside. Replacing the best English manager at the time with a total amateur was not only the cheap option, it was the wrong option. 12 months ago the Bolton job was very attractive, and 12 months ago Megson wouldn't even have got a sniff at it. Then replacing Lee with Megson was again a cheap choice. Bruce for £3m or Megson for £300k, there only one choice for Gartside. In the hiring procedure he goes to Mark Curtis, Megson's former agent for advice and what a big surprise that a former client of Curtis gets the job. Then onto the Anelka fiasco, we were promised contingency plans if our top player was sold, and who do we get in a moment of panic when such plans don't materialise. A player who is arguably the worst player to ever wear the white shirt. There is also the management of Lee, who had perhaps the worse summer transfer window in our clubs history. Totally lost the dressing room with poor methods. Then Megson has proved to be tactically inept as shown since January, and the lack of effort by players under Megson at times (i.e. Villa away) has shown he isn't the right man to take the club forwards. To have seen our club implode the way it has over the last 12 months is saddening, but I do hope we stay up because the Premiership is the place to be. But I just hope that staying up doesn't mean the staying of Gartside, as he has to be held accountable for his decisions over the last 12 months, and even the past few years because not giving the financial backing to Allardyce has shown to be criminal. GARTSIDE OUT!!
Bang on - well said. Where are my comments that were under the Big Sam article? Have they pulled it? I still feel that it was perhaps time for Big Sam to move on but only if a top class manager was sought who could continue the good work evolving the playing side unlike LSL who was a cheap, yes man, risky appointment who tried to change way too much yet preached about evolution rather than revolution - cretin. Thinking of those interviews still make me cringe. Having said all that considering the current predicament we are in i would have Sam back.
More pathetic cut and paste journalism from the BN and it took him over 19 hours too!!! [bold]Will we ever get a hard hitting interview with Darkside?[/bold]
From the Daily Mail yesterday:
"Bolton old boy Jardel lifts the lid on cocaine abuse in football
By ASHLEY GRAY - More by this author » Last updated at 11:35am on 28th April 2008"
Come on you Whites!!!
[bold]FILL THE REEBOK ON SATURDAY!![/bold]
More pathetic cut and paste journalism from the BN and it took him over 19 hours too!!! Will we ever get a hard hitting interview with Darkside?
From the Daily Mail yesterday:
"Bolton old boy Jardel lifts the lid on cocaine abuse in football
By ASHLEY GRAY - More by this author » Last updated at 11:35am on 28th April 2008"
Posted by: King Cain, Bolton on 12:41pm Tue 29 Apr 08
Did anyone see the recently released rich list from yesterday? Eddie Davies £98 million fortune? Wonder how much of that is the Sky money and the small profit made on Anelka sale.
Did anyone see the recently released rich list from yesterday? Eddie Davies £98 million fortune? Wonder how much of that is the Sky money and the small profit made on Anelka sale.
Posted by: BWFC - TIL - I - DIE, BOLTON on 12:45pm Tue 29 Apr 08
[quote][bold]il duce[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]BWFC - TIL - I - DIE[/bold] wrote: No doubting the success he brought us over his 8 years but big sam did rip a lot of our backroom staff apart when he left.. Again, it wasnt directed at bwfc but at gartside!!! He wanted to show pg that it was him and mainly him that built bwfc up and that he could also take it down again at any time, trouble is, that personal feud has done serious long term damage to our club and not just gartside. i still think sam will be back one day in some capacity !! at the minute though, lets just concentrate on survival!!![/quote] dont see why this is such a major thing that sam took the backroom staff. are we not allowed to replace them or something???????? the main thing is is that he put the backroom staff structure in place and when some staff left we should have got adequate replacements and you never answered my question about coming to the reebok to see the opposition or see bolton win. i just wanna know why you rate playing in the premier league higher than bolton winning things[/quote] IT TOOK SAM 8 YEARS TO BUILD UP A BACKROOM OF THE HIGHEST QUALITY, DO YOU THINK THAT CAN BE REPLACED TO THE SAME STANDARD IN 12 MTHS??? AND I DID ANSWER YOUR QUESTION!!!!!! I COME TO THE REEBOK TO WATCH BWFC JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER FAN BUT IF YOU CANT SEE THAT THE ONLY PLACE TO BE IS THE PREMIERSHIP THEN IVE GOT NO ANSWER TO YOU!!!! IF YOU DONT MIND WATCHING US IN THE LOWER DIVISIONS THEN I CAN ASSURE YOU IL DUCE YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY!!!!!!!!
il duce wrote:
BWFC - TIL - I - DIE wrote: No doubting the success he brought us over his 8 years but big sam did rip a lot of our backroom staff apart when he left.. Again, it wasnt directed at bwfc but at gartside!!! He wanted to show pg that it was him and mainly him that built bwfc up and that he could also take it down again at any time, trouble is, that personal feud has done serious long term damage to our club and not just gartside. i still think sam will be back one day in some capacity !! at the minute though, lets just concentrate on survival!!!
dont see why this is such a major thing that sam took the backroom staff. are we not allowed to replace them or something???????? the main thing is is that he put the backroom staff structure in place and when some staff left we should have got adequate replacements and you never answered my question about coming to the reebok to see the opposition or see bolton win. i just wanna know why you rate playing in the premier league higher than bolton winning things
IT TOOK SAM 8 YEARS TO BUILD UP A BACKROOM OF THE HIGHEST QUALITY, DO YOU THINK THAT CAN BE REPLACED TO THE SAME STANDARD IN 12 MTHS??? AND I DID ANSWER YOUR QUESTION!!!!!! I COME TO THE REEBOK TO WATCH BWFC JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER FAN BUT IF YOU CANT SEE THAT THE ONLY PLACE TO BE IS THE PREMIERSHIP THEN IVE GOT NO ANSWER TO YOU!!!! IF YOU DONT MIND WATCHING US IN THE LOWER DIVISIONS THEN I CAN ASSURE YOU IL DUCE YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Gareth Jones, Australia on 12:49pm Tue 29 Apr 08
All this is divide-and-rule tactics to keep Mr Megson and Mr Gartside in charge at the Reebok. It won't work because no self-respecting supporters want these two in charge. Both articles are opportunities to disparage Allardyce and thereby promote Megson and Gartside.
All this is divide-and-rule tactics to keep Mr Megson and Mr Gartside in charge at the Reebok. It won't work because no self-respecting supporters want these two in charge. Both articles are opportunities to disparage Allardyce and thereby promote Megson and Gartside.
BWFC-TIL.
Give them a big scream from me on Saturday. I,m working away-AGAIN !!! so have to miss. Much as I hate you know who, I dont want us to go down.
BWFC-TIL.
Give them a big scream from me on Saturday. I,m working away-AGAIN !!! so have to miss. Much as I hate you know who, I dont want us to go down.
Posted by: trottersforever, bolton on 12:56pm Tue 29 Apr 08
I too agreed with a lot of what Sam said, but he's hardly going to admit to anything that has happened since his departure was his fault. He did cause a lot of upheaval in the backroom staff by taking some and enticing others.
But [bold]allegedly[/bold] Sammy Lee on taking over as manager went into the offices etc and asked everyone who had been hired by BSA and those that said they had, he asked them all to leave. I don't know how truthful this is, but it supposedly originates from inside the club.
I too agreed with a lot of what Sam said, but he's hardly going to admit to anything that has happened since his departure was his fault. He did cause a lot of upheaval in the backroom staff by taking some and enticing others.
But allegedly Sammy Lee on taking over as manager went into the offices etc and asked everyone who had been hired by BSA and those that said they had, he asked them all to leave. I don't know how truthful this is, but it supposedly originates from inside the club.
Posted by: BWFC - TIL - I - DIE, BOLTON on 12:57pm Tue 29 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Gareth Jones[/bold] wrote:
All this is divide-and-rule tactics to keep Mr Megson and Mr Gartside in charge at the Reebok. It won't work because no self-respecting supporters want these two in charge. Both articles are opportunities to disparage Allardyce and thereby promote Megson and Gartside. [/quote] julie moores, i will do,
gareth, spot on, as much as i was gutted when sam left i was also annoyed with him. i think that now the fire has died down regards to bsa and what happened back then, there is no way on earth (if this is the tactic) that this will work!!!!
Gareth Jones wrote:
All this is divide-and-rule tactics to keep Mr Megson and Mr Gartside in charge at the Reebok. It won't work because no self-respecting supporters want these two in charge. Both articles are opportunities to disparage Allardyce and thereby promote Megson and Gartside.
julie moores, i will do,
gareth, spot on, as much as i was gutted when sam left i was also annoyed with him. i think that now the fire has died down regards to bsa and what happened back then, there is no way on earth (if this is the tactic) that this will work!!!!
Posted by: il duce, bolton on 1:06pm Tue 29 Apr 08
[quote][bold]BWFC - TIL - I - DIE[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]il duce[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]BWFC - TIL - I - DIE[/bold] wrote: No doubting the success he brought us over his 8 years but big sam did rip a lot of our backroom staff apart when he left.. Again, it wasnt directed at bwfc but at gartside!!! He wanted to show pg that it was him and mainly him that built bwfc up and that he could also take it down again at any time, trouble is, that personal feud has done serious long term damage to our club and not just gartside. i still think sam will be back one day in some capacity !! at the minute though, lets just concentrate on survival!!![/quote] dont see why this is such a major thing that sam took the backroom staff. are we not allowed to replace them or something???????? the main thing is is that he put the backroom staff structure in place and when some staff left we should have got adequate replacements and you never answered my question about coming to the reebok to see the opposition or see bolton win. i just wanna know why you rate playing in the premier league higher than bolton winning things[/quote] IT TOOK SAM 8 YEARS TO BUILD UP A BACKROOM OF THE HIGHEST QUALITY, DO YOU THINK THAT CAN BE REPLACED TO THE SAME STANDARD IN 12 MTHS??? AND I DID ANSWER YOUR QUESTION!!!!!! I COME TO THE REEBOK TO WATCH BWFC JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER FAN BUT IF YOU CANT SEE THAT THE ONLY PLACE TO BE IS THE PREMIERSHIP THEN IVE GOT NO ANSWER TO YOU!!!! IF YOU DONT MIND WATCHING US IN THE LOWER DIVISIONS THEN I CAN ASSURE YOU IL DUCE YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY!!!!!!!! [/quote] so basically the limit of your ambition is premier league at all costs. whats the point in just making up the numbers???? we cannot possibly win the league so we should be looking at things we can win. this year weve thrown away 3 cup competitions we could have possibly won with favourable draws, especially the FA cup, en route to the final wed have only played boro and city from the top division.
id take winning some trophies any day over turning up to just make up the numbers and see torres, fabragas, ronaldo etc... which is what we are doing in the prem
ideally what we should be doing is using the extra premier league money to buy better players and give ourselves a better chance in the cup competitions, but thats not been happening. the premier league is so much a higher priority because of the money
answer me this: what is the point in us staying up this season????? are we gonna use this money to try and win things????? or are we at the limit of our ambition just staying in the prem?????
what are you gonna say when you look back at this period of our history... "we played against some good teams and players in the top level, and had some good players of our own who didnt win a thing".... instantly forgettable period, unlike the '20s and '50s when we won things
BWFC - TIL - I - DIE wrote:
il duce wrote:
BWFC - TIL - I - DIE wrote: No doubting the success he brought us over his 8 years but big sam did rip a lot of our backroom staff apart when he left.. Again, it wasnt directed at bwfc but at gartside!!! He wanted to show pg that it was him and mainly him that built bwfc up and that he could also take it down again at any time, trouble is, that personal feud has done serious long term damage to our club and not just gartside. i still think sam will be back one day in some capacity !! at the minute though, lets just concentrate on survival!!!
dont see why this is such a major thing that sam took the backroom staff. are we not allowed to replace them or something???????? the main thing is is that he put the backroom staff structure in place and when some staff left we should have got adequate replacements and you never answered my question about coming to the reebok to see the opposition or see bolton win. i just wanna know why you rate playing in the premier league higher than bolton winning things
IT TOOK SAM 8 YEARS TO BUILD UP A BACKROOM OF THE HIGHEST QUALITY, DO YOU THINK THAT CAN BE REPLACED TO THE SAME STANDARD IN 12 MTHS??? AND I DID ANSWER YOUR QUESTION!!!!!! I COME TO THE REEBOK TO WATCH BWFC JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER FAN BUT IF YOU CANT SEE THAT THE ONLY PLACE TO BE IS THE PREMIERSHIP THEN IVE GOT NO ANSWER TO YOU!!!! IF YOU DONT MIND WATCHING US IN THE LOWER DIVISIONS THEN I CAN ASSURE YOU IL DUCE YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY!!!!!!!!
so basically the limit of your ambition is premier league at all costs. whats the point in just making up the numbers???? we cannot possibly win the league so we should be looking at things we can win. this year weve thrown away 3 cup competitions we could have possibly won with favourable draws, especially the FA cup, en route to the final wed have only played boro and city from the top division.
id take winning some trophies any day over turning up to just make up the numbers and see torres, fabragas, ronaldo etc... which is what we are doing in the prem
ideally what we should be doing is using the extra premier league money to buy better players and give ourselves a better chance in the cup competitions, but thats not been happening. the premier league is so much a higher priority because of the money
answer me this: what is the point in us staying up this season????? are we gonna use this money to try and win things????? or are we at the limit of our ambition just staying in the prem?????
what are you gonna say when you look back at this period of our history... "we played against some good teams and players in the top level, and had some good players of our own who didnt win a thing".... instantly forgettable period, unlike the '20s and '50s when we won things
Posted by: BWFC - TIL - I - DIE, BOLTON on 1:18pm Tue 29 Apr 08
my god, problem with me duce????
i couldnt give 2 sh1t3s about winning cups if it was at the expense of our premier league place!!!! this season was always going to be a struggle following the departure of bsa so whether you agree or disagree with me mate is irrelevant!!!
You are missing my point entirely!!! WE ARE AN ESTABLISHED TOP DIVISION CLUB!! WE WERE THE 5TH MOST CONSISTENT CLUP IN THE TOP FLIGHT BEHIND MANU, CHELSEA, ARSENAL AND LIVERPOOL. THEREFORE WE SHOULD HAVE STEPPED IT UP A LEVEL TO REMAIN IN THE PREM AS WELL AS WINNING TROPHIES!!!! WE DIDNT DO THAT SO THEREFORE THIS SEASON WAS ALL ABOUT SURVIVAL FOR ME!!! I AM AS DISAPPOINTED AS ANYONE THAT WE DIDNT GO FURTHER IN THE CUPS BUT I REPEAT..... SURVIVAL IN THIS LEAGUE IS PARAMOUNT FIRST AND FOREMOST AND THEN PUSH ON TO THE NEXT LEVELS!!!! IT IS PG'S FAULT THAT WE DIDNT!!!!
my god, problem with me duce????
i couldnt give 2 sh1t3s about winning cups if it was at the expense of our premier league place!!!! this season was always going to be a struggle following the departure of bsa so whether you agree or disagree with me mate is irrelevant!!!
You are missing my point entirely!!! WE ARE AN ESTABLISHED TOP DIVISION CLUB!! WE WERE THE 5TH MOST CONSISTENT CLUP IN THE TOP FLIGHT BEHIND MANU, CHELSEA, ARSENAL AND LIVERPOOL. THEREFORE WE SHOULD HAVE STEPPED IT UP A LEVEL TO REMAIN IN THE PREM AS WELL AS WINNING TROPHIES!!!! WE DIDNT DO THAT SO THEREFORE THIS SEASON WAS ALL ABOUT SURVIVAL FOR ME!!! I AM AS DISAPPOINTED AS ANYONE THAT WE DIDNT GO FURTHER IN THE CUPS BUT I REPEAT..... SURVIVAL IN THIS LEAGUE IS PARAMOUNT FIRST AND FOREMOST AND THEN PUSH ON TO THE NEXT LEVELS!!!! IT IS PG'S FAULT THAT WE DIDNT!!!!
Posted by: Trotter, Bolton on 1:37pm Tue 29 Apr 08
[bold]BWFC - TIL - I - DIE .......[/bold]
You seem to be banging your head against a brick wall there matey, some folk will never be happy until we are in the conference league, that way we will win every game, cup and league there is to win - oh yes we will be able to enter the 1st round of the F.A cup as well - great eh?
[bold]Keep the Faith[/bold]
BWFC - TIL - I - DIE .......
You seem to be banging your head against a brick wall there matey, some folk will never be happy until we are in the conference league, that way we will win every game, cup and league there is to win - oh yes we will be able to enter the 1st round of the F.A cup as well - great eh?
Thanks to those people who said it was on Talk Sport.
When I read the BN Big Sam article I thought that doesn’t sound right – how can I make my mind up about some brief regurgitated article in which you can’t tell what context it was meant?
It is very poor journalism...again!
Saturday is crunch time (again...or still).
I wonder what rubbish certain players will be told to say in pointless articles this week!
Me...cynical...surel
y not! :-)
Thanks to those people who said it was on Talk Sport.
When I read the BN Big Sam article I thought that doesn’t sound right – how can I make my mind up about some brief regurgitated article in which you can’t tell what context it was meant?
It is very poor journalism...again!
Saturday is crunch time (again...or still).
I wonder what rubbish certain players will be told to say in pointless articles this week!
Me...cynical...surel
y not! :-)
Posted by: billy bob, local on 2:14pm Tue 29 Apr 08
[bold]Posted by: yonmons, Portsmouth on 10:35am today
I`ll tell you why we cant comment on the Sam story because some Kn*b made allegations against Sam involving his private life, when I saw them I realised the comments thread (on that story would be deleted) SOME people just NEVER learn.
I`ll tell you why we cant comment on the Sam story because some Kn*b made allegations against Sam involving his private life, when I saw them I realised the comments thread (on that story would be deleted) SOME people just NEVER learn.[/bold]
truth hurts per chance?
Posted by: yonmons, Portsmouth on 10:35am today
I`ll tell you why we cant comment on the Sam story because some Kn*b made allegations against Sam involving his private life, when I saw them I realised the comments thread (on that story would be deleted) SOME people just NEVER learn.
I`ll tell you why we cant comment on the Sam story because some Kn*b made allegations against Sam involving his private life, when I saw them I realised the comments thread (on that story would be deleted) SOME people just NEVER learn.
From the mighty BN:
[bold]THREE Bolton-based multi-millionaires have made it on to this year's Sunday Times Rich Llist of the country's top 1,000 most wealthy people.[/bold]
The Warburton family was at the top of the pack coming in at 199th on the list with a fortune of £430 million. But the family's status has slipped since last year when it was at 141 with £530 million.
Second highest up the list were Kirit and Meena Pathak, who were 397 on the list with a fortune of £200 million. They slid from 343rd place last year after selling their Leigh-based Indian food empire to Associated British Foods for £200 million.
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At 845 on the list with a fortune of £98 million is the owner of Bolton Wanderers Football Club Eddie Davies.
Mr Davies, aged 61, chairs Strix, the Isle of Man-based maker of kettle thermostats which was sold to ABN Amro three years ago for £300 million.
His stake was worth £90 million. He slid from 700th position on the list last year when he was worth £100 million.
[bold]Former Bolton striker Nicolas Anelka came in 13th in the top 20 richest young footballers with £11 million[/bold]
From the mighty BN:
THREE Bolton-based multi-millionaires have made it on to this year's Sunday Times Rich Llist of the country's top 1,000 most wealthy people.
The Warburton family was at the top of the pack coming in at 199th on the list with a fortune of £430 million. But the family's status has slipped since last year when it was at 141 with £530 million.
Second highest up the list were Kirit and Meena Pathak, who were 397 on the list with a fortune of £200 million. They slid from 343rd place last year after selling their Leigh-based Indian food empire to Associated British Foods for £200 million.
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At 845 on the list with a fortune of £98 million is the owner of Bolton Wanderers Football Club Eddie Davies.
Mr Davies, aged 61, chairs Strix, the Isle of Man-based maker of kettle thermostats which was sold to ABN Amro three years ago for £300 million.
His stake was worth £90 million. He slid from 700th position on the list last year when he was worth £100 million.
Former Bolton striker Nicolas Anelka came in 13th in the top 20 richest young footballers with £11 million
Posted by: BWFC - TIL - I - DIE, BOLTON on 2:52pm Tue 29 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Trotter[/bold] wrote:
[bold]BWFC - TIL - I - DIE .......[/bold] You seem to be banging your head against a brick wall there matey, some folk will never be happy until we are in the conference league, that way we will win every game, cup and league there is to win - oh yes we will be able to enter the 1st round of the F.A cup as well - great eh? [bold]Keep the Faith[/bold] [/quote] hahaha, dont understand some people mate, this guys been popping on for the last 2 weeks that he would be happy if we were relegated if we won a cup !!!!!! wot planet??
Trotter wrote: BWFC - TIL - I - DIE ....... You seem to be banging your head against a brick wall there matey, some folk will never be happy until we are in the conference league, that way we will win every game, cup and league there is to win - oh yes we will be able to enter the 1st round of the F.A cup as well - great eh? Keep the Faith
hahaha, dont understand some people mate, this guys been popping on for the last 2 weeks that he would be happy if we were relegated if we won a cup !!!!!! wot planet??
Posted by: BWFC - TIL - I - DIE, BOLTON on 3:17pm Tue 29 Apr 08
JUST A QUICK NOTE ON THIS SUPPOSED SCATHING ATTACK BY SAM...
VERY VERY BAD JOURNALISM!!!! ANYONE WHO HAS LISTENED TO IT ON TALK SPORT WILL BE IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT!!!! HE WAS ASKED THE QUESTION WHAT HIS THOUGHTS WERE AND WHEN HE WAS ASKED WHETHER IT WAS BAD MANAGEMENT HE ACTUALLY DECLINED TO COMMENT, ONLY SAYING THAT FROM THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN IT CERTAINLY SEEMS THAT WAY!!!!!!!!
COMPLETE DISRESPECT BY THE BN !!!!!!
JUST A QUICK NOTE ON THIS SUPPOSED SCATHING ATTACK BY SAM...
VERY VERY BAD JOURNALISM!!!! ANYONE WHO HAS LISTENED TO IT ON TALK SPORT WILL BE IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT!!!! HE WAS ASKED THE QUESTION WHAT HIS THOUGHTS WERE AND WHEN HE WAS ASKED WHETHER IT WAS BAD MANAGEMENT HE ACTUALLY DECLINED TO COMMENT, ONLY SAYING THAT FROM THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN IT CERTAINLY SEEMS THAT WAY!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Andy, Staffordshire on 3:35pm Tue 29 Apr 08
9 seasons cover the period from when Allardyce became Bolton manager to the present time.The first 6 years were some of the finest days at our club for many years, down to the regime that was brought in (manager, players and coaches).The last 12 months have been unfortunate and embarassing with 3 managers and a slide down the league. However the critical time was the 2 seasons leading up to the events of last April. This is when the gains of the 6 years were not built on and the team started to decline.Allardyce was the epitome of "The Plateaued Manager", sitting in the comfort zone, in the frame for the England job(he thought so) and chummy-chummy with Fat Phil in the stands.Nothing was really done in those 2 seasons to maintain the team.That is where the decline in the team started from. I note that Sven is about to be P45ed by Taxman Shinawatra at City. No comfort zone there. A better manager than Allardyce is being disposed of by a harder chairman than Gartside. Which club of Bolton and City would you say is doing it right?
9 seasons cover the period from when Allardyce became Bolton manager to the present time.The first 6 years were some of the finest days at our club for many years, down to the regime that was brought in (manager, players and coaches).The last 12 months have been unfortunate and embarassing with 3 managers and a slide down the league. However the critical time was the 2 seasons leading up to the events of last April. This is when the gains of the 6 years were not built on and the team started to decline.Allardyce was the epitome of "The Plateaued Manager", sitting in the comfort zone, in the frame for the England job(he thought so) and chummy-chummy with Fat Phil in the stands.Nothing was really done in those 2 seasons to maintain the team.That is where the decline in the team started from. I note that Sven is about to be P45ed by Taxman Shinawatra at City. No comfort zone there. A better manager than Allardyce is being disposed of by a harder chairman than Gartside. Which club of Bolton and City would you say is doing it right?
[quote][bold]BWFC - TIL - I - DIE[/bold] wrote:
JUST A QUICK NOTE ON THIS SUPPOSED SCATHING ATTACK BY SAM... VERY VERY BAD JOURNALISM!!!! ANYONE WHO HAS LISTENED TO IT ON TALK SPORT WILL BE IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT!!!! HE WAS ASKED THE QUESTION WHAT HIS THOUGHTS WERE AND WHEN HE WAS ASKED WHETHER IT WAS BAD MANAGEMENT HE ACTUALLY DECLINED TO COMMENT, ONLY SAYING THAT FROM THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN IT CERTAINLY SEEMS THAT WAY!!!!!!!! COMPLETE DISRESPECT BY THE BN !!!!!! [/quote] Diversion tactics by a paper pandering to its local football team.
BWFC - TIL - I - DIE wrote:
JUST A QUICK NOTE ON THIS SUPPOSED SCATHING ATTACK BY SAM... VERY VERY BAD JOURNALISM!!!! ANYONE WHO HAS LISTENED TO IT ON TALK SPORT WILL BE IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT!!!! HE WAS ASKED THE QUESTION WHAT HIS THOUGHTS WERE AND WHEN HE WAS ASKED WHETHER IT WAS BAD MANAGEMENT HE ACTUALLY DECLINED TO COMMENT, ONLY SAYING THAT FROM THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN IT CERTAINLY SEEMS THAT WAY!!!!!!!! COMPLETE DISRESPECT BY THE BN !!!!!!
Diversion tactics by a paper pandering to its local football team.
I have to disagree with you Andy. There was continued under-investment in the team, and Sam's wheel and deal methods which he had to resort to due to Gartside meant that such board room management could only take the club so far. Allardyce wanted more, which is why he put himself in the shop window for the England job, and eventually left to manage under Sheppard at Newcastle. It all boils down to Gartside not knowing how to run a football club properly. He had the chance when we were near the top to invest in the squad and take us onto another level with Allardyce as our manager. In the January transfer window he gave around £13m to Megson and apparently thatw asn't from the Anelka money. How much did Allardyce ever get from Gartside in a transfer window?! It will be around the same mark from when Anelka joined us but the point is that Gartside didn't invest at the right time. He did it at a time when we were in trouble and to a manager who had no experience in buying top players. Fair enough Megson has brought in some good players, but I think Allardyce could have brought in better, and kept our better players.
I have to disagree with you Andy. There was continued under-investment in the team, and Sam's wheel and deal methods which he had to resort to due to Gartside meant that such board room management could only take the club so far. Allardyce wanted more, which is why he put himself in the shop window for the England job, and eventually left to manage under Sheppard at Newcastle. It all boils down to Gartside not knowing how to run a football club properly. He had the chance when we were near the top to invest in the squad and take us onto another level with Allardyce as our manager. In the January transfer window he gave around £13m to Megson and apparently thatw asn't from the Anelka money. How much did Allardyce ever get from Gartside in a transfer window?! It will be around the same mark from when Anelka joined us but the point is that Gartside didn't invest at the right time. He did it at a time when we were in trouble and to a manager who had no experience in buying top players. Fair enough Megson has brought in some good players, but I think Allardyce could have brought in better, and kept our better players.
Posted by: wrothy, westhoughton on 4:11pm Tue 29 Apr 08
[quote][bold]billy bob[/bold] wrote:
[bold]Posted by: yonmons, Portsmouth on 10:35am today I`ll tell you why we cant comment on the Sam story because some Kn*b made allegations against Sam involving his private life, when I saw them I realised the comments thread (on that story would be deleted) SOME people just NEVER learn. I`ll tell you why we cant comment on the Sam story because some Kn*b made allegations against Sam involving his private life, when I saw them I realised the comments thread (on that story would be deleted) SOME people just NEVER learn.[/bold] truth hurts per chance? [/quote] total idiot for getting the thread pulled per chance??? i take my hat off to you
billy bob wrote: Posted by: yonmons, Portsmouth on 10:35am today I`ll tell you why we cant comment on the Sam story because some Kn*b made allegations against Sam involving his private life, when I saw them I realised the comments thread (on that story would be deleted) SOME people just NEVER learn. I`ll tell you why we cant comment on the Sam story because some Kn*b made allegations against Sam involving his private life, when I saw them I realised the comments thread (on that story would be deleted) SOME people just NEVER learn. truth hurts per chance?
total idiot for getting the thread pulled per chance??? i take my hat off to you
Posted by: Phil Neal, southport on 4:28pm Tue 29 Apr 08
When will our chairman be making a statement about current affairs relating to BWFC?
Tell us about the ambition of the club , what we can look forward to in the summer if we survive or not as the case might be( Normally at this stage we are being issued with season ticket prices for next year ).
The silence is deadly inside the reebok these days.Surely to justify his wages Mr Gartside should be communicating with the fans more.I would have thought Phil would like to make a statement in reaction to words spoken by Sam.
Come on Bolton News , give us the interview all fans are waiting for !!! Certainly after the Sunderland game if premiership status is achieved.
One question we want to know from the horses mouth - Is Megson still in charge next season?
When will our chairman be making a statement about current affairs relating to BWFC?
Tell us about the ambition of the club , what we can look forward to in the summer if we survive or not as the case might be( Normally at this stage we are being issued with season ticket prices for next year ).
The silence is deadly inside the reebok these days.Surely to justify his wages Mr Gartside should be communicating with the fans more.I would have thought Phil would like to make a statement in reaction to words spoken by Sam.
Come on Bolton News , give us the interview all fans are waiting for !!! Certainly after the Sunderland game if premiership status is achieved.
One question we want to know from the horses mouth - Is Megson still in charge next season?
[quote][bold]Phil Neal[/bold] wrote:
When will our chairman be making a statement about current affairs relating to BWFC? Tell us about the ambition of the club , what we can look forward to in the summer if we survive or not as the case might be( Normally at this stage we are being issued with season ticket prices for next year ). The silence is deadly inside the reebok these days.Surely to justify his wages Mr Gartside should be communicating with the fans more.I would have thought Phil would like to make a statement in reaction to words spoken by Sam. Come on Bolton News , give us the interview all fans are waiting for !!! Certainly after the Sunderland game if premiership status is achieved. One question we want to know from the horses mouth - Is Megson still in charge next season? [/quote] The question most fans want answered is- When is Megson going to be sacked??
Hopefully this Saturday once survival is assured, if not, then immediately on the final whistle at Stamford Bridge.
Either way we cannot contemplate another season with this clown in charge. If that means season ticket holders not renewing until he is removed, then so be it, we have to make a stand now, for the future of our club.
To anyone saying relegation is no bad thing,look at the bottom of the Championship at the clubs trying to avoid the drop to the second division. Southampton, Leicester, Coventry, Sheff Weds, all recent premier league clubs. Take away our Sky money plus losing our better players, add in the current debt at the club, and you could see us being in a similar position within 2 years, then next step Forest or Leeds.
It is vital that we stay up, but whatever happens Megson must go as soon as possible
Phil Neal wrote:
When will our chairman be making a statement about current affairs relating to BWFC? Tell us about the ambition of the club , what we can look forward to in the summer if we survive or not as the case might be( Normally at this stage we are being issued with season ticket prices for next year ). The silence is deadly inside the reebok these days.Surely to justify his wages Mr Gartside should be communicating with the fans more.I would have thought Phil would like to make a statement in reaction to words spoken by Sam. Come on Bolton News , give us the interview all fans are waiting for !!! Certainly after the Sunderland game if premiership status is achieved. One question we want to know from the horses mouth - Is Megson still in charge next season?
The question most fans want answered is- When is Megson going to be sacked??
Hopefully this Saturday once survival is assured, if not, then immediately on the final whistle at Stamford Bridge.
Either way we cannot contemplate another season with this clown in charge. If that means season ticket holders not renewing until he is removed, then so be it, we have to make a stand now, for the future of our club.
To anyone saying relegation is no bad thing,look at the bottom of the Championship at the clubs trying to avoid the drop to the second division. Southampton, Leicester, Coventry, Sheff Weds, all recent premier league clubs. Take away our Sky money plus losing our better players, add in the current debt at the club, and you could see us being in a similar position within 2 years, then next step Forest or Leeds.
It is vital that we stay up, but whatever happens Megson must go as soon as possible
Posted by: Phil Neal, southport on 4:48pm Tue 29 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Paul[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Phil Neal[/bold] wrote: When will our chairman be making a statement about current affairs relating to BWFC? Tell us about the ambition of the club , what we can look forward to in the summer if we survive or not as the case might be( Normally at this stage we are being issued with season ticket prices for next year ). The silence is deadly inside the reebok these days.Surely to justify his wages Mr Gartside should be communicating with the fans more.I would have thought Phil would like to make a statement in reaction to words spoken by Sam. Come on Bolton News , give us the interview all fans are waiting for !!! Certainly after the Sunderland game if premiership status is achieved. One question we want to know from the horses mouth - Is Megson still in charge next season? [/quote] The question most fans want answered is- When is Megson going to be sacked?? Hopefully this Saturday once survival is assured, if not, then immediately on the final whistle at Stamford Bridge. Either way we cannot contemplate another season with this clown in charge. If that means season ticket holders not renewing until he is removed, then so be it, we have to make a stand now, for the future of our club. To anyone saying relegation is no bad thing,look at the bottom of the Championship at the clubs trying to avoid the drop to the second division. Southampton, Leicester, Coventry, Sheff Weds, all recent premier league clubs. Take away our Sky money plus losing our better players, add in the current debt at the club, and you could see us being in a similar position within 2 years, then next step Forest or Leeds. It is vital that we stay up, but whatever happens Megson must go as soon as possible [/quote] I agree with everything you say.I honestly feel the club will struggle to sell 10,000 season tickets if Megson is still in charge.
What frightens me the most is the type of player Megson can attract.Sam did a tremendous job in attracting quality - i am convinced we would be approaching Gillingham for players rather then top european sides.This guy will not command the respect that top managers require to attract the best!!
Take note Phil Gartside.
Paul wrote:
Phil Neal wrote: When will our chairman be making a statement about current affairs relating to BWFC? Tell us about the ambition of the club , what we can look forward to in the summer if we survive or not as the case might be( Normally at this stage we are being issued with season ticket prices for next year ). The silence is deadly inside the reebok these days.Surely to justify his wages Mr Gartside should be communicating with the fans more.I would have thought Phil would like to make a statement in reaction to words spoken by Sam. Come on Bolton News , give us the interview all fans are waiting for !!! Certainly after the Sunderland game if premiership status is achieved. One question we want to know from the horses mouth - Is Megson still in charge next season?
The question most fans want answered is- When is Megson going to be sacked?? Hopefully this Saturday once survival is assured, if not, then immediately on the final whistle at Stamford Bridge. Either way we cannot contemplate another season with this clown in charge. If that means season ticket holders not renewing until he is removed, then so be it, we have to make a stand now, for the future of our club. To anyone saying relegation is no bad thing,look at the bottom of the Championship at the clubs trying to avoid the drop to the second division. Southampton, Leicester, Coventry, Sheff Weds, all recent premier league clubs. Take away our Sky money plus losing our better players, add in the current debt at the club, and you could see us being in a similar position within 2 years, then next step Forest or Leeds. It is vital that we stay up, but whatever happens Megson must go as soon as possible
I agree with everything you say.I honestly feel the club will struggle to sell 10,000 season tickets if Megson is still in charge.
What frightens me the most is the type of player Megson can attract.Sam did a tremendous job in attracting quality - i am convinced we would be approaching Gillingham for players rather then top european sides.This guy will not command the respect that top managers require to attract the best!!
Im [bold]not[/bold] saying i want us to be relegated but not all teams that get relegated go into free fall look where the more recent one's are like west brom,watford,palace all in the top ten.
Its not the prem but its not always as bad as people make out.
Im not saying i want us to be relegated but not all teams that get relegated go into free fall look where the more recent one's are like west brom,watford,palace all in the top ten.
Its not the prem but its not always as bad as people make out.
[quote][bold]Phil Neal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Paul[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Phil Neal[/bold] wrote: When will our chairman be making a statement about current affairs relating to BWFC? Tell us about the ambition of the club , what we can look forward to in the summer if we survive or not as the case might be( Normally at this stage we are being issued with season ticket prices for next year ). The silence is deadly inside the reebok these days.Surely to justify his wages Mr Gartside should be communicating with the fans more.I would have thought Phil would like to make a statement in reaction to words spoken by Sam. Come on Bolton News , give us the interview all fans are waiting for !!! Certainly after the Sunderland game if premiership status is achieved. One question we want to know from the horses mouth - Is Megson still in charge next season? [/quote] The question most fans want answered is- When is Megson going to be sacked?? Hopefully this Saturday once survival is assured, if not, then immediately on the final whistle at Stamford Bridge. Either way we cannot contemplate another season with this clown in charge. If that means season ticket holders not renewing until he is removed, then so be it, we have to make a stand now, for the future of our club. To anyone saying relegation is no bad thing,look at the bottom of the Championship at the clubs trying to avoid the drop to the second division. Southampton, Leicester, Coventry, Sheff Weds, all recent premier league clubs. Take away our Sky money plus losing our better players, add in the current debt at the club, and you could see us being in a similar position within 2 years, then next step Forest or Leeds. It is vital that we stay up, but whatever happens Megson must go as soon as possible [/quote] I agree with everything you say.I honestly feel the club will struggle to sell 10,000 season tickets if Megson is still in charge. What frightens me the most is the type of player Megson can attract.Sam did a tremendous job in attracting quality - i am convinced we would be approaching Gillingham for players rather then top european sides.This guy will not command the respect that top managers require to attract the best!! Take note Phil Gartside.[/quote] No matter what happens the club cannot be allowed to project staying up as some sort of success.
My worry is that Gartside is waiting for us to survive before justifying his choice of Megson and presenting him as the saviour of the clubs premier status.
Youre quite right about Megsons ability to recruit quality players. We could drop like a Leeds or Forest with him in charge
I agree with all of Big Sams comments.
8 years to build, 8 months to destroy, Megson out!!
Phil Neal wrote:
Paul wrote:
Phil Neal wrote: When will our chairman be making a statement about current affairs relating to BWFC? Tell us about the ambition of the club , what we can look forward to in the summer if we survive or not as the case might be( Normally at this stage we are being issued with season ticket prices for next year ). The silence is deadly inside the reebok these days.Surely to justify his wages Mr Gartside should be communicating with the fans more.I would have thought Phil would like to make a statement in reaction to words spoken by Sam. Come on Bolton News , give us the interview all fans are waiting for !!! Certainly after the Sunderland game if premiership status is achieved. One question we want to know from the horses mouth - Is Megson still in charge next season?
The question most fans want answered is- When is Megson going to be sacked?? Hopefully this Saturday once survival is assured, if not, then immediately on the final whistle at Stamford Bridge. Either way we cannot contemplate another season with this clown in charge. If that means season ticket holders not renewing until he is removed, then so be it, we have to make a stand now, for the future of our club. To anyone saying relegation is no bad thing,look at the bottom of the Championship at the clubs trying to avoid the drop to the second division. Southampton, Leicester, Coventry, Sheff Weds, all recent premier league clubs. Take away our Sky money plus losing our better players, add in the current debt at the club, and you could see us being in a similar position within 2 years, then next step Forest or Leeds. It is vital that we stay up, but whatever happens Megson must go as soon as possible
I agree with everything you say.I honestly feel the club will struggle to sell 10,000 season tickets if Megson is still in charge. What frightens me the most is the type of player Megson can attract.Sam did a tremendous job in attracting quality - i am convinced we would be approaching Gillingham for players rather then top european sides.This guy will not command the respect that top managers require to attract the best!! Take note Phil Gartside.
No matter what happens the club cannot be allowed to project staying up as some sort of success.
My worry is that Gartside is waiting for us to survive before justifying his choice of Megson and presenting him as the saviour of the clubs premier status.
Youre quite right about Megsons ability to recruit quality players. We could drop like a Leeds or Forest with him in charge
I agree with all of Big Sams comments.
8 years to build, 8 months to destroy, Megson out!!
Sam knew exactly what he was doing when he left last year unfortunately it didn't work out for any of us.
He took most of the backroom staff and would gladly have taken most of our players had he been able to.
Truth hurts but he felt he had out grown Bolton. Had he stayed he was right he had the most secure job in football, but he chose to leave and I am sure deep down he regrets the decision, but it was always going to happen because every job that came available his name was linked, which made him think he could do better - sad but true.
Sam knew exactly what he was doing when he left last year unfortunately it didn't work out for any of us.
He took most of the backroom staff and would gladly have taken most of our players had he been able to.
Truth hurts but he felt he had out grown Bolton. Had he stayed he was right he had the most secure job in football, but he chose to leave and I am sure deep down he regrets the decision, but it was always going to happen because every job that came available his name was linked, which made him think he could do better - sad but true.
Posted by: BWFC - TIL - I - DIE, BOLTON on 5:06pm Tue 29 Apr 08
IF WE WENT DOWN I DONT THINK WE WOULD SEE TOP FLIGHT FOOTBALL AT THE BOK FOR A WHILE 3-4 YEARS MINIMUM I THINK.... AND THEN ANOTHER 3 0R 4 TRYING TO RE-ESTABLISH OURSELVES THERE!!!! LOOKING AT NEARLY A TEN YEAR HIKE THERE, WHICH IS HOW LONG IT TOOK US THIS TIME ONLY TO SEE IT UNDONE WITHIN 10 MONTHS !!!!
[bold]NOW BN, AND BWFC, TELL ME THAT ISNT BAD MANAGEMENT??[/bold]
[bold]I WOULD SAY THAT WAS GROSS MISCONDUCT ON PG'S PART!!!!![/bold]
IF WE WENT DOWN I DONT THINK WE WOULD SEE TOP FLIGHT FOOTBALL AT THE BOK FOR A WHILE 3-4 YEARS MINIMUM I THINK.... AND THEN ANOTHER 3 0R 4 TRYING TO RE-ESTABLISH OURSELVES THERE!!!! LOOKING AT NEARLY A TEN YEAR HIKE THERE, WHICH IS HOW LONG IT TOOK US THIS TIME ONLY TO SEE IT UNDONE WITHIN 10 MONTHS !!!!
NOW BN, AND BWFC, TELL ME THAT ISNT BAD MANAGEMENT??
I WOULD SAY THAT WAS GROSS MISCONDUCT ON PG'S PART!!!!!
Posted by: wrothy, westhoughton on 5:07pm Tue 29 Apr 08
[quote][bold]billy bob[/bold] wrote:
[bold]total idiot for getting the thread pulled per chance??? i take my hat off to you[/bold] prove it you idiot, all i did was post, free speech?[/quote] read the terms and conditions idiot??
billy bob wrote: total idiot for getting the thread pulled per chance??? i take my hat off to you prove it you idiot, all i did was post, free speech?
[quote][bold]MICK[/bold] wrote:
Im [bold]not[/bold] saying i want us to be relegated but not all teams that get relegated go into free fall look where the more recent one's are like west brom,watford,palace all in the top ten. Its not the prem but its not always as bad as people make out.[/quote] I take your point, but what I was saying is that if you take our whole situation into account, ie loss of Sky money, loss of our best players and the huge debt we seem to be carrying, we could easily do a Leeds or Forest.
The debt would soon become unsustainable based on the lower incomes into the club, and what would Davies do then??
Obviously no one wants this to happen, so this is why its vital we stay up.
MICK wrote:
Im not saying i want us to be relegated but not all teams that get relegated go into free fall look where the more recent one's are like west brom,watford,palace all in the top ten. Its not the prem but its not always as bad as people make out.
I take your point, but what I was saying is that if you take our whole situation into account, ie loss of Sky money, loss of our best players and the huge debt we seem to be carrying, we could easily do a Leeds or Forest.
The debt would soon become unsustainable based on the lower incomes into the club, and what would Davies do then??
Obviously no one wants this to happen, so this is why its vital we stay up.
Posted by: BWFC - TIL - I - DIE, BOLTON on 5:11pm Tue 29 Apr 08
PAUL, DEANE, TELL IL-DUCE THIS AS HE IS DYING TO SEE US RELEGATED AS HE SOMEHOW THINKS HE WILL THEN SEE BETTER QUALITY FOOTBALL AT THE REEBOK!!!! AS WELL AS A CUPBOARD FULL OF TROPHIES!!!!!
PAUL, DEANE, TELL IL-DUCE THIS AS HE IS DYING TO SEE US RELEGATED AS HE SOMEHOW THINKS HE WILL THEN SEE BETTER QUALITY FOOTBALL AT THE REEBOK!!!! AS WELL AS A CUPBOARD FULL OF TROPHIES!!!!!
Posted by: billy bob, local on 5:17pm Tue 29 Apr 08
i have read the terms thanks...
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