JOHN McGinlay has labelled Sam Allardyce "a disgrace" for rocking the Reebok boat in the build up to Wanderers' make or break showdown with Sunderland.
The legendary ex-Wanderer, known affectionately as Super John by the supporters who idolised him, says the former Bolton boss was out of order when he accused the club of failing to build on the foundations he laid in his seven-and-a-half year reign.
McGinlay has challenged Allardyce's view of the state of the club when he quit the Reebok a year ago, but has taken particular exception to him voicing his criticism in the build up to Saturday's final home game, which could be decisive in their battle to stay in the Premier League.
"For Sam to say the things he said, just before such a crucial game, was an absolute disgrace," said the former Bolton goal machine.
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[quote]JOHN McGinlay has labelled Sam Allardyce "a disgrace"...[/quote] No he didn't. Don't you hate it when the press take people's comments out of context like this. It tells a story that the only snippet was a two word quote which they tacked onto the end of their own sentence with their own spin. McGinlay [italic]actually[/italic] said that for him to make those comments at this time was a disgrace.
JOHN McGinlay has labelled Sam Allardyce "a disgrace"...
No he didn't. Don't you hate it when the press take people's comments out of context like this. It tells a story that the only snippet was a two word quote which they tacked onto the end of their own sentence with their own spin. McGinlay actually said that for him to make those comments at this time was a disgrace.
Posted by: boltonvegas, Las Vegas on 8:24am Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]Andy Jones[/bold] wrote:
[quote]JOHN McGinlay has labelled Sam Allardyce "a disgrace"...[/quote] No he didn't. Don't you hate it when the press take people's comments out of context like this. It tells a story that the only snippet was a two word quote which they tacked onto the end of their own sentence with their own spin. McGinlay [italic]actually[/italic] said that for him to make those comments at this time was a disgrace.[/quote] Sensational claptrap.
Andy Jones wrote:
JOHN McGinlay has labelled Sam Allardyce "a disgrace"...
No he didn't. Don't you hate it when the press take people's comments out of context like this. It tells a story that the only snippet was a two word quote which they tacked onto the end of their own sentence with their own spin. McGinlay actually said that for him to make those comments at this time was a disgrace.
Posted by: Bolton Blogger, Bolt on 8:32am Thu 1 May 08
I see that the Wanderers Spin department has, yet again, rolled out another Great players fom the past to blast Big Sam and his style and get people to try to support something that does not even resemble Premier League Football!!!
Who will it be next week - Little John Smith????
Has anyone else, like me, had enough of all this spin clap-trap coming from the 'Bok?
I see that the Wanderers Spin department has, yet again, rolled out another Great players fom the past to blast Big Sam and his style and get people to try to support something that does not even resemble Premier League Football!!!
Who will it be next week - Little John Smith????
Has anyone else, like me, had enough of all this spin clap-trap coming from the 'Bok?
Posted by: Julie Moores, Bolton on 8:40am Thu 1 May 08
I would have much more confidence in anything coming from this paper if they tackled real issues, and didnt go weak at the knee when Gartside gave them a rollicking.
This spin is now so blatantly pathetic. Come the end of the season , if things do go pear shaped, the real feelings from people currently associated with the club will come pouring out.
We even had a story on here about Nolan's favourite fruit last week. Sure there's a journalistic award due somewhere for that gem of an article.
I would have much more confidence in anything coming from this paper if they tackled real issues, and didnt go weak at the knee when Gartside gave them a rollicking.
This spin is now so blatantly pathetic. Come the end of the season , if things do go pear shaped, the real feelings from people currently associated with the club will come pouring out.
We even had a story on here about Nolan's favourite fruit last week. Sure there's a journalistic award due somewhere for that gem of an article.
Posted by: Bolton Blogger, Bolt on 8:51am Thu 1 May 08
The last few months of Sam Allardyce at Bolton....
Big fall out with Phil Gartside (we probably may never find out why). This led to Sam being REFUSED money to strengthen the team in January.
Took Wanderers to a UEFA spot and ALMOST got us a first ever hampions League spot.
Realised the team needed strengthening as he could no longer take the current crop of players to vthe next level -due to the players ages!
He did try to get the players motivated to win, but what could he do with NO FUNDS and age playing a major factor. As such he felt that he took the club as far as he could whilst Gartside was not giving money to help the club/team! Only one course of action was left - he had to resign.
We all know that Big sams next ppost was going to be NEWCASTLE as he had been on their shortlist for a long long while. His post their was either very much coincidence or it had been well planned - again this is oemthing that we will NEVER be prive to!
With regards to taking ALL the backroom staff. Did he???? Remember for ANY manager when they change clubs they all want to take their best staff to help them, again. All Sam did was to ask these members of staff if they wanted to join him. They could have easily said no - and isn't it funny how Gartside and Lee just allowed them to go with no fight!!!
For all those Big Sam abusers on here - recall the facts and then open your eyes to the real world. Big Sam was driven out of the club - he did not create the downfall by paoching the staff!!
All this seasons ills fall down on to one person - GARTSIDE - for brining in personal rows into the game, and appointing sub-standard managers (with the help of a possible corrupt agent - CURTIS)
Yes, Big Sam, is gone and still wish him all the best in whatever he does next. But WE still have a manager who is useless. Bolton's best period in history was under Allardyce and Brown, Bolton's worst periods in recent history were under Phil Neal (80's) and Lee & Megson (this season so far).
The last few months of Sam Allardyce at Bolton....
Big fall out with Phil Gartside (we probably may never find out why). This led to Sam being REFUSED money to strengthen the team in January.
Took Wanderers to a UEFA spot and ALMOST got us a first ever hampions League spot.
Realised the team needed strengthening as he could no longer take the current crop of players to vthe next level -due to the players ages!
He did try to get the players motivated to win, but what could he do with NO FUNDS and age playing a major factor. As such he felt that he took the club as far as he could whilst Gartside was not giving money to help the club/team! Only one course of action was left - he had to resign.
We all know that Big sams next ppost was going to be NEWCASTLE as he had been on their shortlist for a long long while. His post their was either very much coincidence or it had been well planned - again this is oemthing that we will NEVER be prive to!
With regards to taking ALL the backroom staff. Did he???? Remember for ANY manager when they change clubs they all want to take their best staff to help them, again. All Sam did was to ask these members of staff if they wanted to join him. They could have easily said no - and isn't it funny how Gartside and Lee just allowed them to go with no fight!!!
For all those Big Sam abusers on here - recall the facts and then open your eyes to the real world. Big Sam was driven out of the club - he did not create the downfall by paoching the staff!!
All this seasons ills fall down on to one person - GARTSIDE - for brining in personal rows into the game, and appointing sub-standard managers (with the help of a possible corrupt agent - CURTIS)
Yes, Big Sam, is gone and still wish him all the best in whatever he does next. But WE still have a manager who is useless. Bolton's best period in history was under Allardyce and Brown, Bolton's worst periods in recent history were under Phil Neal (80's) and Lee & Megson (this season so far).
Posted by: suffrinmick, bolton on 9:02am Thu 1 May 08
If it wasn't for Super John we wouldn't have even got in the premier league in the first place (so it's HIS FAULT we're in this mess - ONLY KIDDING!). I can't believe that anybody who actually heard the interview with Sam would can be so bothered. I listened to the interview and he said NOTHING - it was just a few interesting comments - simple as that. Much as I admire Super John; I'll bet a pint he hasn't heard the interview?
If it wasn't for Super John we wouldn't have even got in the premier league in the first place (so it's HIS FAULT we're in this mess - ONLY KIDDING!). I can't believe that anybody who actually heard the interview with Sam would can be so bothered. I listened to the interview and he said NOTHING - it was just a few interesting comments - simple as that. Much as I admire Super John; I'll bet a pint he hasn't heard the interview?
Posted by: Theres_only_one_J_By
rom, Bolton on 9:08am Thu 1 May 08
Spot on Bolton Blogger!
We were on the slide before Sam left not after the backroom staff left. Sam lost interest due to the lack of funds and this MUST have passed on to the players, don't say these things don't. The players know who isn't performing better than we do.
Also didn't the top sports science guy go to Chelski?? - what has that got to do with Sam.
BWFC recently sacked Chris Sulley (may have the name wrong!) who had been a major backroom motivator, was that big sams fault as well??
When top people leave a job they take the best people with them, sorry but thats big business life.
Remember we took Sam from Notts County,laughed and then paid them compensation.
What comes round.......
Spot on Bolton Blogger!
We were on the slide before Sam left not after the backroom staff left. Sam lost interest due to the lack of funds and this MUST have passed on to the players, don't say these things don't. The players know who isn't performing better than we do.
Also didn't the top sports science guy go to Chelski?? - what has that got to do with Sam.
BWFC recently sacked Chris Sulley (may have the name wrong!) who had been a major backroom motivator, was that big sams fault as well??
When top people leave a job they take the best people with them, sorry but thats big business life.
Remember we took Sam from Notts County,laughed and then paid them compensation.
What comes round.......
this is sensationalist nonsense. both interviews, big sam and super john have been spinned out of control. im surprised noone has sued the BN for grossly misrepresentating facts and what people say, its surely just a matter of time befre they push it too far and get sued
as for information, it says something when i have to get team news from bbc, because we get nothing in this paper other than gartsides propaganda
cant wait to see the headline once we avoid relegation, bet itll simply say "heroes" or something equally sycophantic, as if avoiing relegation can be hailed as a great season
this is sensationalist nonsense. both interviews, big sam and super john have been spinned out of control. im surprised noone has sued the BN for grossly misrepresentating facts and what people say, its surely just a matter of time befre they push it too far and get sued
as for information, it says something when i have to get team news from bbc, because we get nothing in this paper other than gartsides propaganda
cant wait to see the headline once we avoid relegation, bet itll simply say "heroes" or something equally sycophantic, as if avoiing relegation can be hailed as a great season
Posted by: Rose Hempton, Horwich on 9:22am Thu 1 May 08
John McGinlay is absolutely RIGHT. It is wrong for Allardyce to make criticisms of the management at this stage of the season. The problems the team face stem back to when Allardyce was the Manager at BWFC. Allardyce implies that it was lack of money that drove him away from Bolton. Judging by his signings at Newcastle (Enrique for example) his record with money isn't good. He also made some very poor signings for Bolton in his time (anyone remember Jardell?) which is often overlooked. Allardyce refuses to accept any responsibility when things go wrong. I always remember when we lost a game under him and it was always the referee / linesman who were at fault. Conversely when we won a game under him it was always attributed to him and his great managemet or preparation of the players before the game (Allardicci etc...). Allardyce is a deluded psychopath. He always thought he was better than Bolton and destined to great things (flattered by Man City's interest in him, Old Trafford and England...yeh right). Allardyce has proved he is not a big club manager. His style of football was boring and long ball. I do acknowledge his success when at Bolton but this was not entirely because of Sam Allardicci as he would like people to believe. For all Megson's shortcomings he is at least dignified, courteous and honest. He deserves a bit more respect. In Gary Cahill and Steinson he has made two great signings. Also they are young players with a future with the club and at the very least have some resale value. Allardicci is a big fat disgrace. You wouldn't get a truely great manager (like Martin O'Neil) making such comments about his former club. Particularly at this time of the season. Go and do one Allardyce. And nice one Super John!!!
John McGinlay is absolutely RIGHT. It is wrong for Allardyce to make criticisms of the management at this stage of the season. The problems the team face stem back to when Allardyce was the Manager at BWFC. Allardyce implies that it was lack of money that drove him away from Bolton. Judging by his signings at Newcastle (Enrique for example) his record with money isn't good. He also made some very poor signings for Bolton in his time (anyone remember Jardell?) which is often overlooked. Allardyce refuses to accept any responsibility when things go wrong. I always remember when we lost a game under him and it was always the referee / linesman who were at fault. Conversely when we won a game under him it was always attributed to him and his great managemet or preparation of the players before the game (Allardicci etc...). Allardyce is a deluded psychopath. He always thought he was better than Bolton and destined to great things (flattered by Man City's interest in him, Old Trafford and England...yeh right). Allardyce has proved he is not a big club manager. His style of football was boring and long ball. I do acknowledge his success when at Bolton but this was not entirely because of Sam Allardicci as he would like people to believe. For all Megson's shortcomings he is at least dignified, courteous and honest. He deserves a bit more respect. In Gary Cahill and Steinson he has made two great signings. Also they are young players with a future with the club and at the very least have some resale value. Allardicci is a big fat disgrace. You wouldn't get a truely great manager (like Martin O'Neil) making such comments about his former club. Particularly at this time of the season. Go and do one Allardyce. And nice one Super John!!!
Posted by: Julie Moores, Bolton on 9:34am Thu 1 May 08
At the end of the season I forsee 2 possible outcomes:-
We go down followed by huge outpouring of hate against Davies, Gartside, Megson and certain players.
We stay up- here is Mr Gartside, he is still alive, berating Bolton fans for ever doubting his stategy. He will praise Megson far more than is deserved, Megson's £1 mill bonus for keeping us up will be paid and an announcement that season tickets will be frozen again and Megson has £25 mill to spend in Summer.
At the end of the season I forsee 2 possible outcomes:-
We go down followed by huge outpouring of hate against Davies, Gartside, Megson and certain players.
We stay up- here is Mr Gartside, he is still alive, berating Bolton fans for ever doubting his stategy. He will praise Megson far more than is deserved, Megson's £1 mill bonus for keeping us up will be paid and an announcement that season tickets will be frozen again and Megson has £25 mill to spend in Summer.
Posted by: *hitonutd, MANCHESTER on 9:37am Thu 1 May 08
FSA is history and he should have been more diplomatic when asked his opinion on matters at the Reebok.He will never be in the same league as Mourinho,Sven and other greats because his mouth shoots off while his brain isn't in gear.
If he wants to be party to a takeover then he obviously sees us as an easier target in the Championship than in the Premier.Hence the timing factor may be a clever plan of his to unstable us.And make an offer on the cheap.
FSA is history and he should have been more diplomatic when asked his opinion on matters at the Reebok.He will never be in the same league as Mourinho,Sven and other greats because his mouth shoots off while his brain isn't in gear.
If he wants to be party to a takeover then he obviously sees us as an easier target in the Championship than in the Premier.Hence the timing factor may be a clever plan of his to unstable us.And make an offer on the cheap.
Posted by: Bolton Blogger, Bolt on 9:38am Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]Rose Hempton[/bold] wrote:
John McGinlay is absolutely RIGHT. It is wrong for Allardyce to make criticisms of the management at this stage of the season. The problems the team face stem back to when Allardyce was the Manager at BWFC. Allardyce implies that it was lack of money that drove him away from Bolton. Judging by his signings at Newcastle (Enrique for example) his record with money isn't good. He also made some very poor signings for Bolton in his time (anyone remember Jardell?) which is often overlooked. Allardyce refuses to accept any responsibility when things go wrong. I always remember when we lost a game under him and it was always the referee / linesman who were at fault. Conversely when we won a game under him it was always attributed to him and his great managemet or preparation of the players before the game (Allardicci etc...). Allardyce is a deluded psychopath. He always thought he was better than Bolton and destined to great things (flattered by Man City's interest in him, Old Trafford and England...yeh right). Allardyce has proved he is not a big club manager. His style of football was boring and long ball. I do acknowledge his success when at Bolton but this was not entirely because of Sam Allardicci as he would like people to believe. For all Megson's shortcomings he is at least dignified, courteous and honest. He deserves a bit more respect. In Gary Cahill and Steinson he has made two great signings. Also they are young players with a future with the club and at the very least have some resale value. Allardicci is a big fat disgrace. You wouldn't get a truely great manager (like Martin O'Neil) making such comments about his former club. Particularly at this time of the season. Go and do one Allardyce. And nice one Super John!!![/quote] So, you would rather have Premiership survival any season rather than fantastic cup runs, playing in cup finals and playing in Europe.
Who else took Bolton to be a top 8 club in England, took Bolton into Europe and gave Bolton a major cup final and decent cup-runs?
ompare the dross with the good players - how successful was Big Sam in bringing good players to the club - you seem to forget that Kev Davies is a fine example of what Allardyce could do (a down and out ex-England player to whom no club would touch with a barge pole.) Sure there were flops players - but you name one manager that has NEVER had 1 or even a fair share amount of dross players on their books. Sam WAS Mr Average, in terms of managers, for that!
You talk about the style of game - why is it that Chelsea, Arsenal and even Liverpool play the same style of game (even now) and they do not get criticised by get applauded????
Megson - honest????? when has he ever been honest about the game, about the losses, and about the players that have left the club during his tenure? What about the honest truth of the situation the team and the club are in.
Tell me if I am wrong here, but isn't Steinson only at Bolton due to the recommendations of a former player, rather than Megsons accute attribute of seeking good players? Cahill is okay for a top Championship club or even for relegation battles but not good enough to take this club to the next level. And the same can also be said for Matt Taylor.
Then there is Cohen and Rasiak - playing them both week in and week out - when Sam realised his mistake in player purchase, did you see him using those players all the time or did he sideline them to see if he could do anything with them in the future?
I do beleive that Sam is and can be a top club/country manager - you name any top club/country amanger where they have not flopped or been very close,or actually, getting the sack. A good manager does make mistakes and LEARNS from them. Megson has never learned from his mistakes and is continually to do the same today.
So, when Bolton were up there, even last season, you were parising him left right and centre - even leaving the club in fine fettle, as he did!!!! But now Bolton is struggling you are blaming him, basically for leaving!!
Now tell me this - even after Sam left, he never said a word about the quarrel with Gartside - who pushed that quarrel into the papaers thus making the club a joke, disrupting the players concentration and confidence with what was happening - not sam!!!
Open you eyes, see what you have wrote, see the real facts and then try to make a more sensible post.
Fact:- Through Big Sam Tenure we were noted for our long ball game, but fact is both Liverpool and Arsenal used that tactic more than any other club during the same timeline.
So how can you say we played boring football when both Liverpool and Arsenal were applauded for the same style of game? (a repeted question I know but used to emphasize your comment of style0
Rose Hempton wrote:
John McGinlay is absolutely RIGHT. It is wrong for Allardyce to make criticisms of the management at this stage of the season. The problems the team face stem back to when Allardyce was the Manager at BWFC. Allardyce implies that it was lack of money that drove him away from Bolton. Judging by his signings at Newcastle (Enrique for example) his record with money isn't good. He also made some very poor signings for Bolton in his time (anyone remember Jardell?) which is often overlooked. Allardyce refuses to accept any responsibility when things go wrong. I always remember when we lost a game under him and it was always the referee / linesman who were at fault. Conversely when we won a game under him it was always attributed to him and his great managemet or preparation of the players before the game (Allardicci etc...). Allardyce is a deluded psychopath. He always thought he was better than Bolton and destined to great things (flattered by Man City's interest in him, Old Trafford and England...yeh right). Allardyce has proved he is not a big club manager. His style of football was boring and long ball. I do acknowledge his success when at Bolton but this was not entirely because of Sam Allardicci as he would like people to believe. For all Megson's shortcomings he is at least dignified, courteous and honest. He deserves a bit more respect. In Gary Cahill and Steinson he has made two great signings. Also they are young players with a future with the club and at the very least have some resale value. Allardicci is a big fat disgrace. You wouldn't get a truely great manager (like Martin O'Neil) making such comments about his former club. Particularly at this time of the season. Go and do one Allardyce. And nice one Super John!!!
So, you would rather have Premiership survival any season rather than fantastic cup runs, playing in cup finals and playing in Europe.
Who else took Bolton to be a top 8 club in England, took Bolton into Europe and gave Bolton a major cup final and decent cup-runs?
ompare the dross with the good players - how successful was Big Sam in bringing good players to the club - you seem to forget that Kev Davies is a fine example of what Allardyce could do (a down and out ex-England player to whom no club would touch with a barge pole.) Sure there were flops players - but you name one manager that has NEVER had 1 or even a fair share amount of dross players on their books. Sam WAS Mr Average, in terms of managers, for that!
You talk about the style of game - why is it that Chelsea, Arsenal and even Liverpool play the same style of game (even now) and they do not get criticised by get applauded????
Megson - honest????? when has he ever been honest about the game, about the losses, and about the players that have left the club during his tenure? What about the honest truth of the situation the team and the club are in.
Tell me if I am wrong here, but isn't Steinson only at Bolton due to the recommendations of a former player, rather than Megsons accute attribute of seeking good players? Cahill is okay for a top Championship club or even for relegation battles but not good enough to take this club to the next level. And the same can also be said for Matt Taylor.
Then there is Cohen and Rasiak - playing them both week in and week out - when Sam realised his mistake in player purchase, did you see him using those players all the time or did he sideline them to see if he could do anything with them in the future?
I do beleive that Sam is and can be a top club/country manager - you name any top club/country amanger where they have not flopped or been very close,or actually, getting the sack. A good manager does make mistakes and LEARNS from them. Megson has never learned from his mistakes and is continually to do the same today.
So, when Bolton were up there, even last season, you were parising him left right and centre - even leaving the club in fine fettle, as he did!!!! But now Bolton is struggling you are blaming him, basically for leaving!!
Now tell me this - even after Sam left, he never said a word about the quarrel with Gartside - who pushed that quarrel into the papaers thus making the club a joke, disrupting the players concentration and confidence with what was happening - not sam!!!
Open you eyes, see what you have wrote, see the real facts and then try to make a more sensible post.
Fact:- Through Big Sam Tenure we were noted for our long ball game, but fact is both Liverpool and Arsenal used that tactic more than any other club during the same timeline.
So how can you say we played boring football when both Liverpool and Arsenal were applauded for the same style of game? (a repeted question I know but used to emphasize your comment of style0
Posted by: OwenOwenCoyle, Bolton on 9:40am Thu 1 May 08
B.W.F.C. have just made allardyce's comments a big deal when they wernt.
What he said..more or less all bolton fans knew anyway. Since he went, the clubs management and what have you have been a joke.
If anything his answers to the questions fired at him on talk sport should fire the team on...but no...lets have an attack at him and make a mountain out of mole hill.
Meanwhile that guy who took notts forest and wet brom down starts bigging up and boosting sunderland with confidence..
We can do it this weekend, and hopefully stay up, then thank the fight for the lads togetherness against all odds over the last few weeks and also anelka..who is still my fave bolton player..for putting us in with a shout... Imagine trying to attract a player like that now.
C'mon whites....go forward and give it 100%. no excuses!!!
B.W.F.C. have just made allardyce's comments a big deal when they wernt.
What he said..more or less all bolton fans knew anyway. Since he went, the clubs management and what have you have been a joke.
If anything his answers to the questions fired at him on talk sport should fire the team on...but no...lets have an attack at him and make a mountain out of mole hill.
Meanwhile that guy who took notts forest and wet brom down starts bigging up and boosting sunderland with confidence..
We can do it this weekend, and hopefully stay up, then thank the fight for the lads togetherness against all odds over the last few weeks and also anelka..who is still my fave bolton player..for putting us in with a shout... Imagine trying to attract a player like that now.
C'mon whites....go forward and give it 100%. no excuses!!!
Posted by: parishner, bolton on 9:45am Thu 1 May 08
The rumours are,strong that big pockets,uncle freddy,sheperd,and reidy are in a position to buy the club,maybe thats why,he is rattling away,either way he should be,blessing not slagging phil brown next manager????big pockets not saying much about brownys coaching, not all about,motor mouth.
The rumours are,strong that big pockets,uncle freddy,sheperd,and reidy are in a position to buy the club,maybe thats why,he is rattling away,either way he should be,blessing not slagging phil brown next manager????big pockets not saying much about brownys coaching, not all about,motor mouth.
Posted by: parishner, bolton on 9:46am Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]Julie Moores[/bold] wrote:
I would have much more confidence in anything coming from this paper if they tackled real issues, and didnt go weak at the knee when Gartside gave them a rollicking. This spin is now so blatantly pathetic. Come the end of the season , if things do go pear shaped, the real feelings from people currently associated with the club will come pouring out. We even had a story on here about Nolan's favourite fruit last week. Sure there's a journalistic award due somewhere for that gem of an article.[/quote] what was it apple,cider?last time big pockets opened is trap nolan for england...lol
Julie Moores wrote:
I would have much more confidence in anything coming from this paper if they tackled real issues, and didnt go weak at the knee when Gartside gave them a rollicking. This spin is now so blatantly pathetic. Come the end of the season , if things do go pear shaped, the real feelings from people currently associated with the club will come pouring out. We even had a story on here about Nolan's favourite fruit last week. Sure there's a journalistic award due somewhere for that gem of an article.
what was it apple,cider?last time big pockets opened is trap nolan for england...lol
Some people are so clouded by their hatred of Gartside that they can see nothing else but to get rid of him, any other subject to them is a nonsense so we return to the same theme time and time again.
Yesterday I was accused of loving Megson (yet again)when Megson wasn't even mentioned.
Sad situation but John McGinley is absolutely spot on with his remarks.
I agree Sam was totally taken out of proportion but he really should have kept stum at this critical time.
Some people are so clouded by their hatred of Gartside that they can see nothing else but to get rid of him, any other subject to them is a nonsense so we return to the same theme time and time again.
Yesterday I was accused of loving Megson (yet again)when Megson wasn't even mentioned.
Sad situation but John McGinley is absolutely spot on with his remarks.
I agree Sam was totally taken out of proportion but he really should have kept stum at this critical time.
Posted by: Julie Moores, Bolton on 10:05am Thu 1 May 08
I make no secret of the fact that I thought Sam did a brilliant job for us, but towards the end, maybe he was getting stale and ready for a new challenge.
That's why I wasnt that upset when he left. Very few managers can keep a small club like Bolton in the top 8 year after year, regardless of the type of football played. So I wished him luck, and dont feel it would be right if he came back. Very few succeed going back.
What really got me, was the hasty appointment of Lee. A man with no previous experience, no media training, lacking in communication skills. And all this is important, even though Avram Grant has so far carried it off. He at least had the benefit of some pretty good players. Our previous Assistant Manager was much more suited. He had a successful caretaker period before Sam, had a personality and a presence to him.
Megson had nothing which would endear him to the fans, a serial football loser. Incredible appointment from which we may never recover.
I make no secret of the fact that I thought Sam did a brilliant job for us, but towards the end, maybe he was getting stale and ready for a new challenge.
That's why I wasnt that upset when he left. Very few managers can keep a small club like Bolton in the top 8 year after year, regardless of the type of football played. So I wished him luck, and dont feel it would be right if he came back. Very few succeed going back.
What really got me, was the hasty appointment of Lee. A man with no previous experience, no media training, lacking in communication skills. And all this is important, even though Avram Grant has so far carried it off. He at least had the benefit of some pretty good players. Our previous Assistant Manager was much more suited. He had a successful caretaker period before Sam, had a personality and a presence to him.
Megson had nothing which would endear him to the fans, a serial football loser. Incredible appointment from which we may never recover.
Posted by: Andy, Staffordshire on 10:15am Thu 1 May 08
[bold]The last few months of Sam Allardyce at Bolton....
Big fall out with Phil Gartside (we probably may never find out why). This led to Sam being REFUSED money to strengthen the team in January.[/bold]
That is perhaps they way brother Allardyce would like it to be seen but after the UEFA Cup exit at Marseilles there was an 18 month period when he sat on his hands/ laurels/ fat ar#e, call it what you will.He wised up to the fact that nobody had been minding the shop 18 months too late.Anybody who thinks we were going to become one of the Big 4 is deluding themselves so Allardyce should stop citing that as his thwarted ambition. The players, manager and club reached the limit of their achievement in that first UEFA season yet nobody was able to sse that the only way was down from there given the pitiful lack of investment and ambition the club showed.Compare the situation at Villa, Everton, Spurs; they invest to stay where they are (the results show that). The level of boardroom smugness at these 3 clubs is nil.If they are not performing on the pitch and at the bank then boardroom turmoil ensues.Would any of these clubs have built a new ground in the last 11 years and still have the two corners of the ground devoid of executive boxes? Friends Gartside and Davies obviously look at the North West and North East corners and wonder"Why are those chairs in the windows over there? Rank amateurs trying to lord it up with the big boys.The penny may drop around August when they've sold 3000 season tickets.
The last few months of Sam Allardyce at Bolton....
Big fall out with Phil Gartside (we probably may never find out why). This led to Sam being REFUSED money to strengthen the team in January.
That is perhaps they way brother Allardyce would like it to be seen but after the UEFA Cup exit at Marseilles there was an 18 month period when he sat on his hands/ laurels/ fat ar#e, call it what you will.He wised up to the fact that nobody had been minding the shop 18 months too late.Anybody who thinks we were going to become one of the Big 4 is deluding themselves so Allardyce should stop citing that as his thwarted ambition. The players, manager and club reached the limit of their achievement in that first UEFA season yet nobody was able to sse that the only way was down from there given the pitiful lack of investment and ambition the club showed.Compare the situation at Villa, Everton, Spurs; they invest to stay where they are (the results show that). The level of boardroom smugness at these 3 clubs is nil.If they are not performing on the pitch and at the bank then boardroom turmoil ensues.Would any of these clubs have built a new ground in the last 11 years and still have the two corners of the ground devoid of executive boxes? Friends Gartside and Davies obviously look at the North West and North East corners and wonder"Why are those chairs in the windows over there? Rank amateurs trying to lord it up with the big boys.The penny may drop around August when they've sold 3000 season tickets.
Posted by: il duce, bolton on 10:26am Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]charlie[/bold] wrote:
Some people are so clouded by their hatred of Gartside that they can see nothing else but to get rid of him, any other subject to them is a nonsense so we return to the same theme time and time again.
Yesterday I was accused of loving Megson (yet again)when Megson wasn't even mentioned.
Sad situation but John McGinley is absolutely spot on with his remarks.
I agree Sam was totally taken out of proportion but he really should have kept stum at this critical time.[/quote] critical time????? id like to agree, but i dont see why its that critical to stay in the prem under the current regime. are we going to use this money to do anything????? no its going to be exactly the same dross served up next season, so i cant see how this is particularly critical. unless our plan is to stay up, and immediately replace manager and chairman, and thats never going to happen, theyll be hailed as heroes in this paper and well have the same to look forward to next season
charlie wrote:
Some people are so clouded by their hatred of Gartside that they can see nothing else but to get rid of him, any other subject to them is a nonsense so we return to the same theme time and time again.
Yesterday I was accused of loving Megson (yet again)when Megson wasn't even mentioned.
Sad situation but John McGinley is absolutely spot on with his remarks.
I agree Sam was totally taken out of proportion but he really should have kept stum at this critical time.
critical time????? id like to agree, but i dont see why its that critical to stay in the prem under the current regime. are we going to use this money to do anything????? no its going to be exactly the same dross served up next season, so i cant see how this is particularly critical. unless our plan is to stay up, and immediately replace manager and chairman, and thats never going to happen, theyll be hailed as heroes in this paper and well have the same to look forward to next season
Posted by: gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton on 10:39am Thu 1 May 08
Julie, Avram Grant is managing to carry out off because he is an experienced national coach, this is not his 1st coaching position where LSL's was.
John Mcginley for manager haha
Megson out, his continuing line up of cohen, o'brien and rasiak is sending me to sleep on these saturday afternoons.
Remember the old volvo cars, very safe but boring as hell. Sound familiar?
Julie, Avram Grant is managing to carry out off because he is an experienced national coach, this is not his 1st coaching position where LSL's was.
John Mcginley for manager haha
Megson out, his continuing line up of cohen, o'brien and rasiak is sending me to sleep on these saturday afternoons.
Remember the old volvo cars, very safe but boring as hell. Sound familiar?
Posted by: Julie Moores, Bolton on 11:02am Thu 1 May 08
Gazz, you are right about Grant with his Israel job, I was just trying to think of someone lacking in the usual charisma/personality who had succeeded. Footballers are a funny breed, I used to live with one. They are very quick to pick up on Managers failings and I think at the end with LSL, they just found him a figure of fun and lost all respect for him.
Good luck for Saturday, I'm away. Wouldnt be surprised to see Cohen and Joey in the team, with Rasiak on the bench. I know what you mean about the standard this season. We just seem a team of very average players with nothing to excite since Anelka left. I dont know what's happened to the team. A couple of seasons ago it all looked so good, now I can only count 5 players who seem to have Prem quality.
Gazz, you are right about Grant with his Israel job, I was just trying to think of someone lacking in the usual charisma/personality who had succeeded. Footballers are a funny breed, I used to live with one. They are very quick to pick up on Managers failings and I think at the end with LSL, they just found him a figure of fun and lost all respect for him.
Good luck for Saturday, I'm away. Wouldnt be surprised to see Cohen and Joey in the team, with Rasiak on the bench. I know what you mean about the standard this season. We just seem a team of very average players with nothing to excite since Anelka left. I dont know what's happened to the team. A couple of seasons ago it all looked so good, now I can only count 5 players who seem to have Prem quality.
The only thing that is a disgrace is Bolton Wanderers Football Club.This club had the chance to be a giant football club.
Give me the days in the lower leagues with Caldwell and Oghani any day.
At least it felt like football and had character about it.
The only thing that is a disgrace is Bolton Wanderers Football Club.This club had the chance to be a giant football club.
Give me the days in the lower leagues with Caldwell and Oghani any day.
At least it felt like football and had character about it.
Posted by: breezeblock, Manchester on 11:13am Thu 1 May 08
[bold]"Fact:- Through Big Sam Tenure we were noted for our long ball game, but fact is both Liverpool and Arsenal used that tactic more than any other club during the same timeline."[/bold]
Blogger, I take it you wrote that in error? Arsenal? Long ball? Seriously?
"Fact:- Through Big Sam Tenure we were noted for our long ball game, but fact is both Liverpool and Arsenal used that tactic more than any other club during the same timeline."
Blogger, I take it you wrote that in error? Arsenal? Long ball? Seriously?
Posted by: Victor, Horwich on 11:54am Thu 1 May 08
There is one thing for sure and that is the consistency of the BN to completely distort things. Firstly Sam's completely innocuous interview and them turning it in to it being defamatory to BWFC and now Super JM's comments which also are completely of the mark regarding his response to timing of the comments from Sam. Come on Gordon do your job properly, anyone would think you had an ulterior motive and were being guided by someone that all we Bolton fans hold so close and dear to our heart. Any chance of another of those wonderful opportunities where the BN hosted our revered Chairman in a Q&A session on this site (last years session from August seems to have disappeared now). Forget this type of journalism and give the fans what they want and that is a hard-hitting interview with Gartside where you pose the questions that nearly everyone who visits this website wants answering. Mind is running overtime at the moment – does McGinlay have his coaching badges, or is that wishful thinking on my part!
There is one thing for sure and that is the consistency of the BN to completely distort things. Firstly Sam's completely innocuous interview and them turning it in to it being defamatory to BWFC and now Super JM's comments which also are completely of the mark regarding his response to timing of the comments from Sam. Come on Gordon do your job properly, anyone would think you had an ulterior motive and were being guided by someone that all we Bolton fans hold so close and dear to our heart. Any chance of another of those wonderful opportunities where the BN hosted our revered Chairman in a Q&A session on this site (last years session from August seems to have disappeared now). Forget this type of journalism and give the fans what they want and that is a hard-hitting interview with Gartside where you pose the questions that nearly everyone who visits this website wants answering. Mind is running overtime at the moment – does McGinlay have his coaching badges, or is that wishful thinking on my part!
Posted by: Phil Neal, southport on 12:06pm Thu 1 May 08
I want to make it clear i was very bitter with Sam's departure and the manner it was carried out but we have to accept Sam Allardyce has given us moments of glory that was beyond our wildest dreams.Unfortunately and me included we seem to accept this as normal now as we have only short memories but if we was to disappear into the lower leagues at some point in the future then i am sure most if not all Bolton fans will look back in 10 / 15 years time as this being our most successful period and i would even go one step further in stating we would probably want a big statue of the fella outside the reebok to remind us of his achievements.
I want to make it clear i was very bitter with Sam's departure and the manner it was carried out but we have to accept Sam Allardyce has given us moments of glory that was beyond our wildest dreams.Unfortunately and me included we seem to accept this as normal now as we have only short memories but if we was to disappear into the lower leagues at some point in the future then i am sure most if not all Bolton fans will look back in 10 / 15 years time as this being our most successful period and i would even go one step further in stating we would probably want a big statue of the fella outside the reebok to remind us of his achievements.
Posted by: breezeblock, Manchester on 12:10pm Thu 1 May 08
But Lofthouse is in his 80's and is gradually getting more and more frail. Sam is still going strong and appears to be 'living the life' so you have to consider the extra cost of the additional raw materials needed to make a statue of Sam.
Failing that we could just do one for Simon Charlton - he was tiny. Think of the potential savings.
But Lofthouse is in his 80's and is gradually getting more and more frail. Sam is still going strong and appears to be 'living the life' so you have to consider the extra cost of the additional raw materials needed to make a statue of Sam.
Failing that we could just do one for Simon Charlton - he was tiny. Think of the potential savings.
Posted by: Chris2412, Leyland on 12:23pm Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]Phil Neal[/bold] wrote:
I want to make it clear i was very bitter with Sam's departure and the manner it was carried out but we have to accept Sam Allardyce has given us moments of glory that was beyond our wildest dreams.Unfortunately and me included we seem to accept this as normal now as we have only short memories but if we was to disappear into the lower leagues at some point in the future then i am sure most if not all Bolton fans will look back in 10 / 15 years time as this being our most successful period and i would even go one step further in stating we would probably want a big statue of the fella outside the reebok to remind us of his achievements. [/quote] YES! lets all pay for a useless statue that only reminds us of the downfall of the whites after the big mans departure! Seriously i think not!
Phil Neal wrote:
I want to make it clear i was very bitter with Sam's departure and the manner it was carried out but we have to accept Sam Allardyce has given us moments of glory that was beyond our wildest dreams.Unfortunately and me included we seem to accept this as normal now as we have only short memories but if we was to disappear into the lower leagues at some point in the future then i am sure most if not all Bolton fans will look back in 10 / 15 years time as this being our most successful period and i would even go one step further in stating we would probably want a big statue of the fella outside the reebok to remind us of his achievements.
YES! lets all pay for a useless statue that only reminds us of the downfall of the whites after the big mans departure! Seriously i think not!
Posted by: Chris2412, Leyland on 12:25pm Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]Phil Neal[/bold] wrote:
I want to make it clear i was very bitter with Sam's departure and the manner it was carried out but we have to accept Sam Allardyce has given us moments of glory that was beyond our wildest dreams.Unfortunately and me included we seem to accept this as normal now as we have only short memories but if we was to disappear into the lower leagues at some point in the future then i am sure most if not all Bolton fans will look back in 10 / 15 years time as this being our most successful period and i would even go one step further in stating we would probably want a big statue of the fella outside the reebok to remind us of his achievements. [/quote] YES! lets all pay for a useless statue that only reminds us of the downfall of the whites after the big mans departure! Seriously i think not!
Phil Neal wrote:
I want to make it clear i was very bitter with Sam's departure and the manner it was carried out but we have to accept Sam Allardyce has given us moments of glory that was beyond our wildest dreams.Unfortunately and me included we seem to accept this as normal now as we have only short memories but if we was to disappear into the lower leagues at some point in the future then i am sure most if not all Bolton fans will look back in 10 / 15 years time as this being our most successful period and i would even go one step further in stating we would probably want a big statue of the fella outside the reebok to remind us of his achievements.
YES! lets all pay for a useless statue that only reminds us of the downfall of the whites after the big mans departure! Seriously i think not!
Posted by: Martin Crompton, Bolton on 1:17pm Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]Rose Hempton[/bold] wrote:
John McGinlay is absolutely RIGHT. It is wrong for Allardyce to make criticisms of the management at this stage of the season. The problems the team face stem back to when Allardyce was the Manager at BWFC. Allardyce implies that it was lack of money that drove him away from Bolton. Judging by his signings at Newcastle (Enrique for example) his record with money isn't good. He also made some very poor signings for Bolton in his time (anyone remember Jardell?) which is often overlooked. Allardyce refuses to accept any responsibility when things go wrong. I always remember when we lost a game under him and it was always the referee / linesman who were at fault. Conversely when we won a game under him it was always attributed to him and his great managemet or preparation of the players before the game (Allardicci etc...). Allardyce is a deluded psychopath. He always thought he was better than Bolton and destined to great things (flattered by Man City's interest in him, Old Trafford and England...yeh right). Allardyce has proved he is not a big club manager. His style of football was boring and long ball. I do acknowledge his success when at Bolton but this was not entirely because of Sam Allardicci as he would like people to believe. For all Megson's shortcomings he is at least dignified, courteous and honest. He deserves a bit more respect. In Gary Cahill and Steinson he has made two great signings. Also they are young players with a future with the club and at the very least have some resale value. Allardicci is a big fat disgrace. You wouldn't get a truely great manager (like Martin O'Neil) making such comments about his former club. Particularly at this time of the season. Go and do one Allardyce. And nice one Super John!!![/quote] Whatever you think about Allardyce he took the club to new heights and was the most successful in recent times. Look where we are now!!!!!
Rose Hempton wrote:
John McGinlay is absolutely RIGHT. It is wrong for Allardyce to make criticisms of the management at this stage of the season. The problems the team face stem back to when Allardyce was the Manager at BWFC. Allardyce implies that it was lack of money that drove him away from Bolton. Judging by his signings at Newcastle (Enrique for example) his record with money isn't good. He also made some very poor signings for Bolton in his time (anyone remember Jardell?) which is often overlooked. Allardyce refuses to accept any responsibility when things go wrong. I always remember when we lost a game under him and it was always the referee / linesman who were at fault. Conversely when we won a game under him it was always attributed to him and his great managemet or preparation of the players before the game (Allardicci etc...). Allardyce is a deluded psychopath. He always thought he was better than Bolton and destined to great things (flattered by Man City's interest in him, Old Trafford and England...yeh right). Allardyce has proved he is not a big club manager. His style of football was boring and long ball. I do acknowledge his success when at Bolton but this was not entirely because of Sam Allardicci as he would like people to believe. For all Megson's shortcomings he is at least dignified, courteous and honest. He deserves a bit more respect. In Gary Cahill and Steinson he has made two great signings. Also they are young players with a future with the club and at the very least have some resale value. Allardicci is a big fat disgrace. You wouldn't get a truely great manager (like Martin O'Neil) making such comments about his former club. Particularly at this time of the season. Go and do one Allardyce. And nice one Super John!!!
Whatever you think about Allardyce he took the club to new heights and was the most successful in recent times. Look where we are now!!!!!
Posted by: Martin Crompton, Bolton on 1:20pm Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]Rose Hempton[/bold] wrote:
John McGinlay is absolutely RIGHT. It is wrong for Allardyce to make criticisms of the management at this stage of the season. The problems the team face stem back to when Allardyce was the Manager at BWFC. Allardyce implies that it was lack of money that drove him away from Bolton. Judging by his signings at Newcastle (Enrique for example) his record with money isn't good. He also made some very poor signings for Bolton in his time (anyone remember Jardell?) which is often overlooked. Allardyce refuses to accept any responsibility when things go wrong. I always remember when we lost a game under him and it was always the referee / linesman who were at fault. Conversely when we won a game under him it was always attributed to him and his great managemet or preparation of the players before the game (Allardicci etc...). Allardyce is a deluded psychopath. He always thought he was better than Bolton and destined to great things (flattered by Man City's interest in him, Old Trafford and England...yeh right). Allardyce has proved he is not a big club manager. His style of football was boring and long ball. I do acknowledge his success when at Bolton but this was not entirely because of Sam Allardicci as he would like people to believe. For all Megson's shortcomings he is at least dignified, courteous and honest. He deserves a bit more respect. In Gary Cahill and Steinson he has made two great signings. Also they are young players with a future with the club and at the very least have some resale value. Allardicci is a big fat disgrace. You wouldn't get a truely great manager (like Martin O'Neil) making such comments about his former club. Particularly at this time of the season. Go and do one Allardyce. And nice one Super John!!![/quote] Whatever you think about Allardyce he took the club to new heights and was the most successful in recent times. Look where we are now!!!!!
Rose Hempton wrote:
John McGinlay is absolutely RIGHT. It is wrong for Allardyce to make criticisms of the management at this stage of the season. The problems the team face stem back to when Allardyce was the Manager at BWFC. Allardyce implies that it was lack of money that drove him away from Bolton. Judging by his signings at Newcastle (Enrique for example) his record with money isn't good. He also made some very poor signings for Bolton in his time (anyone remember Jardell?) which is often overlooked. Allardyce refuses to accept any responsibility when things go wrong. I always remember when we lost a game under him and it was always the referee / linesman who were at fault. Conversely when we won a game under him it was always attributed to him and his great managemet or preparation of the players before the game (Allardicci etc...). Allardyce is a deluded psychopath. He always thought he was better than Bolton and destined to great things (flattered by Man City's interest in him, Old Trafford and England...yeh right). Allardyce has proved he is not a big club manager. His style of football was boring and long ball. I do acknowledge his success when at Bolton but this was not entirely because of Sam Allardicci as he would like people to believe. For all Megson's shortcomings he is at least dignified, courteous and honest. He deserves a bit more respect. In Gary Cahill and Steinson he has made two great signings. Also they are young players with a future with the club and at the very least have some resale value. Allardicci is a big fat disgrace. You wouldn't get a truely great manager (like Martin O'Neil) making such comments about his former club. Particularly at this time of the season. Go and do one Allardyce. And nice one Super John!!!
Whatever you think about Allardyce he took the club to new heights and was the most successful in recent times. Look where we are now!!!!!
Posted by: missjennielouisesmit
h, Bolton on 1:52pm Thu 1 May 08
Lay SAM TO REST HE'S GONE AND HE HAS FEELINGS AS WELL AS THE FANS IF HE WAS STILL THE MANAGER HE WOULDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE CLUB, BUT HE ISN'T THE MANAGER ANYMORE AND HE CAN SAY WHATEVER HE LIKES LIKE US FANS SO GIVE HIM A BREAK AND LEAVE THE POOR MAN ALONE. I HOPE YOU KEEP GARTSIDE AND MEGSON THAT WILL TEACH THOSE NASTY PEOPLE WHO HAVE A GO AT HIM.
Lay SAM TO REST HE'S GONE AND HE HAS FEELINGS AS WELL AS THE FANS IF HE WAS STILL THE MANAGER HE WOULDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE CLUB, BUT HE ISN'T THE MANAGER ANYMORE AND HE CAN SAY WHATEVER HE LIKES LIKE US FANS SO GIVE HIM A BREAK AND LEAVE THE POOR MAN ALONE. I HOPE YOU KEEP GARTSIDE AND MEGSON THAT WILL TEACH THOSE NASTY PEOPLE WHO HAVE A GO AT HIM.
Posted by: Phil Neal, southport on 2:23pm Thu 1 May 08
Sam to a degree has only said what most of the fans have been saying all season except putting some publicity on it !!!
Good i say because the reebok are trying to turn a blind eye to it all.What was it gartside said - FANS ARE FICKLE! Since then we have heard sweet fa.
Sam to a degree has only said what most of the fans have been saying all season except putting some publicity on it !!!
Good i say because the reebok are trying to turn a blind eye to it all.What was it gartside said - FANS ARE FICKLE! Since then we have heard sweet fa.
Posted by: gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton on 3:38pm Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]Chris Manning, Gotham City PD[/bold] wrote:
I'm amazed anyone could find 5 Prem class players amongst our lot....[/quote] I would say Habsi, O'Brien, cahill, Steinnson, Diouf
Chris Manning, Gotham City PD wrote:
I'm amazed anyone could find 5 Prem class players amongst our lot....
I would say Habsi, O'Brien, cahill, Steinnson, Diouf
Posted by: Gareth Jones, Australia on 3:42pm Thu 1 May 08
Mr McGinlay's opinions on Sam Allardyce are a "disgrace" just like his golf swing, and that is really bad! Don't be distracted by this Bolton News "little helper" for the deleterious duo Mr Megson and Mr Gartside.
Mr McGinlay's opinions on Sam Allardyce are a "disgrace" just like his golf swing, and that is really bad! Don't be distracted by this Bolton News "little helper" for the deleterious duo Mr Megson and Mr Gartside.
Posted by: joannebk, bolton on 4:19pm Thu 1 May 08
Another Pulitzer Prize winning article for the BN, tackling the burning issues of the day.
If it's not a diouf quote, it's a nolan quote, or a steinsson quote, or cahill quote, or a taylor quote, or an al habsi quote.
I think that BN has them all stored so that when it's a slow news day, or if they've been 'gartsided' they wheel one of these out.
You should be ashamed of yourselves BN.
There are questions that the fans are demanding answers to.
You know the questions.
Ask them.
If you get rebuffed, then print it.
Get some back bone.
Another Pulitzer Prize winning article for the BN, tackling the burning issues of the day.
If it's not a diouf quote, it's a nolan quote, or a steinsson quote, or cahill quote, or a taylor quote, or an al habsi quote.
I think that BN has them all stored so that when it's a slow news day, or if they've been 'gartsided' they wheel one of these out.
You should be ashamed of yourselves BN.
There are questions that the fans are demanding answers to.
You know the questions.
Ask them.
If you get rebuffed, then print it.
Posted by: Chris Manning, Gotham City PD on 4:24pm Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]gazz_ball - Supera Moras![/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Chris Manning, Gotham City PD[/bold] wrote: I'm amazed anyone could find 5 Prem class players amongst our lot....[/quote] I would say Habsi, O'Brien, cahill, Steinnson, Diouf[/quote] Steinsson?
Not on his form so far....bar one run against Arsenal for Taylor's goal I think he's been no better than Hunt........
gazz_ball - Supera Moras! wrote:
Chris Manning, Gotham City PD wrote: I'm amazed anyone could find 5 Prem class players amongst our lot....
I would say Habsi, O'Brien, cahill, Steinnson, Diouf
Steinsson?
Not on his form so far....bar one run against Arsenal for Taylor's goal I think he's been no better than Hunt........
Posted by: Julie Moores, Bolton on 5:00pm Thu 1 May 08
The 5 Prem players I had in mind were :-
Al Habsi
Gardner
Steinsson
Cahill
Davies
Diouf is off anyway, but the last couple of seasons his form isnt great.
The 5 Prem players I had in mind were :-
Al Habsi
Gardner
Steinsson
Cahill
Davies
Diouf is off anyway, but the last couple of seasons his form isnt great.
Posted by: Gloucster White, Gloucester on 6:36pm Thu 1 May 08
What I don't understand is the poll say just under 60% agree with BSA I am one of those. So heres the question how come about 90% of people have said/are saying exactly the same him on here and yet some of you are slagging him off for it. Double standards if you ask me or pi55ed of cos he got to say it in the open and beat you to it. Shallow. Fact is he is right and we all know it. Thing is some of us drink coffee in a morning some of you stay in the comatosed state. Time to wake up people. Like him or loath him BSA was and is likely to be for quite some time the best manager (acheivment wise) we have EVER had. End OF goodnight
What I don't understand is the poll say just under 60% agree with BSA I am one of those. So heres the question how come about 90% of people have said/are saying exactly the same him on here and yet some of you are slagging him off for it. Double standards if you ask me or pi55ed of cos he got to say it in the open and beat you to it. Shallow. Fact is he is right and we all know it. Thing is some of us drink coffee in a morning some of you stay in the comatosed state. Time to wake up people. Like him or loath him BSA was and is likely to be for quite some time the best manager (acheivment wise) we have EVER had. End OF goodnight
Posted by: Bolton Blogger, Bolt on 9:56pm Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]breezeblock[/bold] wrote:
[bold]"Fact:- Through Big Sam Tenure we were noted for our long ball game, but fact is both Liverpool and Arsenal used that tactic more than any other club during the same timeline."[/bold] Blogger, I take it you wrote that in error? Arsenal? Long ball? Seriously? [/quote] check the facts for yourself at tribalfootball!!!
it is a fact and always will be!
breezeblock wrote: "Fact:- Through Big Sam Tenure we were noted for our long ball game, but fact is both Liverpool and Arsenal used that tactic more than any other club during the same timeline." Blogger, I take it you wrote that in error? Arsenal? Long ball? Seriously?
Posted by: Bolton Blogger, Bolt on 10:07pm Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]Bolton Blogger[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]breezeblock[/bold] wrote: [bold]"Fact:- Through Big Sam Tenure we were noted for our long ball game, but fact is both Liverpool and Arsenal used that tactic more than any other club during the same timeline."[/bold] Blogger, I take it you wrote that in error? Arsenal? Long ball? Seriously? [/quote] check the facts for yourself at tribalfootball!!! it is a fact and always will be! [/quote] Just remembered any facts like this contradicts the viewpoint of Gartside - in otherwords has to be false!
Bolton Blogger wrote:
breezeblock wrote: "Fact:- Through Big Sam Tenure we were noted for our long ball game, but fact is both Liverpool and Arsenal used that tactic more than any other club during the same timeline." Blogger, I take it you wrote that in error? Arsenal? Long ball? Seriously?
check the facts for yourself at tribalfootball!!! it is a fact and always will be!
Just remembered any facts like this contradicts the viewpoint of Gartside - in otherwords has to be false!
Posted by: breezeblock, Manchester on 10:31pm Thu 1 May 08
Sorry, no idea what you are on about. If you have the facts then YOU post them on here. Don't expect me to trawl some second rate website just to prove YOU were right!
Arsenal = long ball..sorry mate but that is about the daftest thing you will ever read on the internet.
Sorry, no idea what you are on about. If you have the facts then YOU post them on here. Don't expect me to trawl some second rate website just to prove YOU were right!
Arsenal = long ball..sorry mate but that is about the daftest thing you will ever read on the internet.
Posted by: mrfusion, Notlob on 10:54pm Thu 1 May 08
Who cares. Opinions are like arse holes. Everyone has one...
If Allerdyce wants to make a comment or McGinlay then they are free to do so. If the players/club can't handle the comments and start crying then for the love of god.
Who cares. Opinions are like arse holes. Everyone has one...
If Allerdyce wants to make a comment or McGinlay then they are free to do so. If the players/club can't handle the comments and start crying then for the love of god.
Posted by: joannebk, bolton on 10:59pm Thu 1 May 08
I think that BSA is positioning himself nicely for a return to wanderers if a consortium comes in and (hopefully) ejects gartside and davies.
Clean slate, clear out...
Let's hope he has the dosh and the insight to do something constructive with it.
Make sure Al Habsi stays, for starters.
I think that BSA is positioning himself nicely for a return to wanderers if a consortium comes in and (hopefully) ejects gartside and davies.
Clean slate, clear out...
Let's hope he has the dosh and the insight to do something constructive with it.
Posted by: kenglowhite, Bolton on 11:24pm Thu 1 May 08
[quote][bold]joannebk[/bold] wrote:
Another Pulitzer Prize winning article for the BN, tackling the burning issues of the day. If it's not a diouf quote, it's a nolan quote, or a steinsson quote, or cahill quote, or a taylor quote, or an al habsi quote. I think that BN has them all stored so that when it's a slow news day, or if they've been 'gartsided' they wheel one of these out. You should be ashamed of yourselves BN. There are questions that the fans are demanding answers to. You know the questions. Ask them. If you get rebuffed, then print it. Get some back bone.[/quote] For instance what has happened to all the income over the past 8 years? Why has our deficit risen to over £40M?
Why hasn't the BN dealt with the chronic lack of investment question? According to Sam we didn't need to sell Anelka. Why did we sell him, and was Sam right or wrong?
joannebk wrote:
Another Pulitzer Prize winning article for the BN, tackling the burning issues of the day. If it's not a diouf quote, it's a nolan quote, or a steinsson quote, or cahill quote, or a taylor quote, or an al habsi quote. I think that BN has them all stored so that when it's a slow news day, or if they've been 'gartsided' they wheel one of these out. You should be ashamed of yourselves BN. There are questions that the fans are demanding answers to. You know the questions. Ask them. If you get rebuffed, then print it. Get some back bone.
For instance what has happened to all the income over the past 8 years? Why has our deficit risen to over £40M?
Why hasn't the BN dealt with the chronic lack of investment question? According to Sam we didn't need to sell Anelka. Why did we sell him, and was Sam right or wrong?
Posted by: a.shinners, horwich. on 2:44am Fri 2 May 08
Gareth Jones!!!!!!! your a disgrace. Mr. Mcginlay has a good point and who d i c k will you be on if they lose saterday? because bsa played mind games? hes just putting his name out in the open for the man city job or sumut. he doesnt care about bolton. if you did then you will shut the F88K up and back super john. bring him back.
Gareth Jones!!!!!!! your a disgrace. Mr. Mcginlay has a good point and who d i c k will you be on if they lose saterday? because bsa played mind games? hes just putting his name out in the open for the man city job or sumut. he doesnt care about bolton. if you did then you will shut the F88K up and back super john. bring him back.
Posted by: finlaymcdanger, new york on 3:18am Fri 2 May 08
'McDanger brands Gordon Sharrock a disgrace'
You ought to be ashamed of yourself Sharrock. You're stooping lower than even I could have imagined and as you probably know by now I'm no fan of yours.
You have to be the laziest journalist at the Bolton News. Heaven knows how you're hung onto your job for so long, obviously your boss is as equally incompetant as you!
[bold]SHARROCK OUT!!![/bold]
'McDanger brands Gordon Sharrock a disgrace'
You ought to be ashamed of yourself Sharrock. You're stooping lower than even I could have imagined and as you probably know by now I'm no fan of yours.
You have to be the laziest journalist at the Bolton News. Heaven knows how you're hung onto your job for so long, obviously your boss is as equally incompetant as you!
Posted by: finlaymcdanger, new york on 3:20am Fri 2 May 08
I've a good mind to arrange a meeting with your Editor, show him all your clippings this past year and explain why you deserve to be fired.
[bold]LAZY SHARROCK OUT!!![/bold]
I've a good mind to arrange a meeting with your Editor, show him all your clippings this past year and explain why you deserve to be fired.
Posted by: trotters1964, preston on 8:08am Fri 2 May 08
the bolton news is reactive not proactive, they are great at reporting events after the event, but your insignificant little rag gets more insignificant by the year because of lazy journalism, you should have been knocking down sams door for an interview, instead of googling the internet for news stories, and hanging round ex players in the tea rooms, you'll be reading their texts next, truly useless, this just makes john look like he's supporting megson and co. great player how dare you use him to fill your crappy little paper with a non story.
the bolton news is reactive not proactive, they are great at reporting events after the event, but your insignificant little rag gets more insignificant by the year because of lazy journalism, you should have been knocking down sams door for an interview, instead of googling the internet for news stories, and hanging round ex players in the tea rooms, you'll be reading their texts next, truly useless, this just makes john look like he's supporting megson and co. great player how dare you use him to fill your crappy little paper with a non story.
Posted by: yonmons, Portsmouth on 6:41am Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]trotters1964[/bold] wrote:
the bolton news is reactive not proactive, they are great at reporting events after the event, but your insignificant little rag gets more insignificant by the year because of lazy journalism, you should have been knocking down sams door for an interview, instead of googling the internet for news stories, and hanging round ex players in the tea rooms, you'll be reading their texts next, truly useless, this just makes john look like he's supporting megson and co. great player how dare you use him to fill your crappy little paper with a non story.[/quote] I agree whole heartidly with this, except the bit about "tea rooms" think they have speaking to these people in the local chippy looking at some of the pics..!Seriously though, some of the stories in these desperate times are written it would seem by school kids doing a school project on journalism. It has been bland, repetitive, and down right uninteresting. I tune in from the southcoast to check out whats going on, to find a Top tip from some former player/chippy owner saying wanderers will stay up. Come on Mr Editor, kick your staff into life, a bit of in depth journalism, get your staff to show some proffesionlism. Meanwhile, i`ll just check if there has been anymore [bold]wheelie bin fires....!?[/bold]
trotters1964 wrote:
the bolton news is reactive not proactive, they are great at reporting events after the event, but your insignificant little rag gets more insignificant by the year because of lazy journalism, you should have been knocking down sams door for an interview, instead of googling the internet for news stories, and hanging round ex players in the tea rooms, you'll be reading their texts next, truly useless, this just makes john look like he's supporting megson and co. great player how dare you use him to fill your crappy little paper with a non story.
I agree whole heartidly with this, except the bit about "tea rooms" think they have speaking to these people in the local chippy looking at some of the pics..!Seriously though, some of the stories in these desperate times are written it would seem by school kids doing a school project on journalism. It has been bland, repetitive, and down right uninteresting. I tune in from the southcoast to check out whats going on, to find a Top tip from some former player/chippy owner saying wanderers will stay up. Come on Mr Editor, kick your staff into life, a bit of in depth journalism, get your staff to show some proffesionlism. Meanwhile, i`ll just check if there has been anymore wheelie bin fires....!?
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