HE might be reluctant to count his chickens until Wanderers are mathematically safe, but Gary Megson produced a set of figures on Saturday night to show he has done the job he was recruited to do.
And in a swipe at the critics, he hit back at claims that it is only since Sam Allardyce quit the club a year ago that things have gone downhill at the Reebok.
Wanderers, he said, have been in decline for 18 months, but now, all being well, he can look forward to putting things right and stabilising the club.
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"It makes me laugh when people criticise and have an opinion, yet when you look at the facts, they don't add up," Megson said, hailing the efforts of his players after a dramatic 2-0 victory over Sunderland all-but secured their place in the Premier League for next season.
"I've been manager of Bolton for 27 games, we've taken 31 points. The previous 27, we took 22 points; we've kept 11 clean sheets, previously we'd kept four.
"When I arrived we had five points from 10 games. If that had continued we'd have been relegated.
"I'm not blowing smoke up my own backside but these players have given it everything they've possibly got. I can't ask any more of them "
Posted by: bibendum, Rotherham on 7:51am Mon 5 May 08
When you first came Mego the players were so relieved they'd seen off the clueless LSL that they would have responded to anybody.
Once they got to know you and your bullying, negative and disruptive style, they realised what a pratt you are and consequently responded by losing that edge again.
Fortunately, and in spite of you, backed by the supporters and their own in-built pride and desire not to go down they rallied over the last few games and with a huge slice of luck managed to keep us up.
Don't you dare try to insult us by claiming you were the saviour, stick your stats where the sun don't shine and clear off.
You have presided over the most negative woefull and boring football ever seen at the Reebok, alienated and insulted some of our best players Speed, Stellios, Diouf, completely disregarded those who might have provided some attacking flair, Helgusson, Andranik and Vaz Te and totally disrespected the UEFA Cup.
Please do the decent thing and stop quoting what went immediately before you arrived because you will never achieve either the results, respect or acclaim that BSA did before he was forced out by your co-idiot Gartside. The sooner you're both gone the better for most of us here.
When you first came Mego the players were so relieved they'd seen off the clueless LSL that they would have responded to anybody.
Once they got to know you and your bullying, negative and disruptive style, they realised what a pratt you are and consequently responded by losing that edge again.
Fortunately, and in spite of you, backed by the supporters and their own in-built pride and desire not to go down they rallied over the last few games and with a huge slice of luck managed to keep us up.
Don't you dare try to insult us by claiming you were the saviour, stick your stats where the sun don't shine and clear off.
You have presided over the most negative woefull and boring football ever seen at the Reebok, alienated and insulted some of our best players Speed, Stellios, Diouf, completely disregarded those who might have provided some attacking flair, Helgusson, Andranik and Vaz Te and totally disrespected the UEFA Cup.
Please do the decent thing and stop quoting what went immediately before you arrived because you will never achieve either the results, respect or acclaim that BSA did before he was forced out by your co-idiot Gartside. The sooner you're both gone the better for most of us here.
Posted by: hatemanu, bolton on 7:57am Mon 5 May 08
For me , the man as done well. He as saved our club which is the most important thing and every credit to him . The main thing is the style of play at the moment is awful . Maybe it will improve next season ,because he started at bottom of league and we have had to grind results out . The plus side is he as brought in three quality players in taylor , cahill and steinson which will improve us next season . Plus with a good budget to bring better players in at beginning of season . Im not for bring big sam back , he made is bed by leaving us with three games to go .Fans forget how much they moaned about is style of management and how no football was played. Sam is not the man , but not saying megson is though . If megson is here to stay , start buying the players now . It drives me mad , season after season we buy all our players after pre season so they always take a month to get use to the team , madness. well done you whitemen .
For me , the man as done well. He as saved our club which is the most important thing and every credit to him . The main thing is the style of play at the moment is awful . Maybe it will improve next season ,because he started at bottom of league and we have had to grind results out . The plus side is he as brought in three quality players in taylor , cahill and steinson which will improve us next season . Plus with a good budget to bring better players in at beginning of season . Im not for bring big sam back , he made is bed by leaving us with three games to go .Fans forget how much they moaned about is style of management and how no football was played. Sam is not the man , but not saying megson is though . If megson is here to stay , start buying the players now . It drives me mad , season after season we buy all our players after pre season so they always take a month to get use to the team , madness. well done you whitemen .
Posted by: bibendum, Rotherham on 8:03am Mon 5 May 08
hatemanu, make your mind up mate, "the style of play at the moment is awful" you said and you're absolutely right. Wake up and realise we stayed up in spite of this character not because of him and next season will be no better if he's still here except all our better players will be gone. He has not done well, the players and supporters have done well, not Megson.
As for good signings, Cahill I'll accept but the other two are journeymen and we paid over the odds for both imho.
Chuck Rasiak (on loan agreed) and Cohen in too and 1 out of 5 is good is it?
Wake up and face facts.
hatemanu, make your mind up mate, "the style of play at the moment is awful" you said and you're absolutely right. Wake up and realise we stayed up in spite of this character not because of him and next season will be no better if he's still here except all our better players will be gone. He has not done well, the players and supporters have done well, not Megson.
As for good signings, Cahill I'll accept but the other two are journeymen and we paid over the odds for both imho.
Chuck Rasiak (on loan agreed) and Cohen in too and 1 out of 5 is good is it?
Posted by: Andy, Staffordshire on 8:15am Mon 5 May 08
Megson was employed to stop the rot and that he has done.The club has reached the end of the season with it's Premiership status intact. There can't be anybody who would not have settled for that at the start of October last year.Megson, like Todd, Warnock, Jewell,Dowie,Pardew etc knows the bottom of the Premier/ top of the Championship. If that is the limit of the club's ambitions then he is probably as good as any of them.However if Bolton are more ambitious than that (and I'm afraid Gartside and Davies are not)then he is not the man for the next step up-back to the level of the Portsmouths, Villas, Man Citys of this world.Megson has shown the level of his ambition by the players he has been linked with in the Championship.At least 5 more players of the calibre of Steinsson and Cahill need to be brought in.Players like Taylor (another Salako)are just there for the money and a job at a Premiership club.Players of proven ability and 110% commitment like Stelios are treated shamefully.Diouf has been effectively told he will not start away games because of his temperement, no wonder the guy wants away.Time for a sea change at the club.
Megson was employed to stop the rot and that he has done.The club has reached the end of the season with it's Premiership status intact. There can't be anybody who would not have settled for that at the start of October last year.Megson, like Todd, Warnock, Jewell,Dowie,Pardew etc knows the bottom of the Premier/ top of the Championship. If that is the limit of the club's ambitions then he is probably as good as any of them.However if Bolton are more ambitious than that (and I'm afraid Gartside and Davies are not)then he is not the man for the next step up-back to the level of the Portsmouths, Villas, Man Citys of this world.Megson has shown the level of his ambition by the players he has been linked with in the Championship.At least 5 more players of the calibre of Steinsson and Cahill need to be brought in.Players like Taylor (another Salako)are just there for the money and a job at a Premiership club.Players of proven ability and 110% commitment like Stelios are treated shamefully.Diouf has been effectively told he will not start away games because of his temperement, no wonder the guy wants away.Time for a sea change at the club.
Posted by: hatemanu, bolton on 8:19am Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]bibendum[/bold] wrote:
hatemanu, make your mind up mate, "the style of play at the moment is awful" you said and you're absolutely right. Wake up and realise we stayed up in spite of this character not because of him and next season will be no better if he's still here except all our better players will be gone. He has not done well, the players and supporters have done well, not Megson. As for good signings, Cahill I'll accept but the other two are journeymen and we paid over the odds for both imho. Chuck Rasiak (on loan agreed) and Cohen in too and 1 out of 5 is good is it? Wake up and face facts. [/quote] Steinson in dutch team of season for two years running . Matty taylor who as created three goals in are last four games . Journeymen ? Gus hiddink stated steinson is one of the best right backs in europe . Talyor needs a good pre season and get match fit and he will show is true qualitys. who would you bring in then ? If megson was sacked tomoz i would not be arsed . Still dont forgive him for sporting away but he as done a job for us by keeping us up . What we cant do is get a manager in and he proves to be as good as little sam . If megson goes , get a good manager in but for me big sam is not the man .
bibendum wrote:
hatemanu, make your mind up mate, "the style of play at the moment is awful" you said and you're absolutely right. Wake up and realise we stayed up in spite of this character not because of him and next season will be no better if he's still here except all our better players will be gone. He has not done well, the players and supporters have done well, not Megson. As for good signings, Cahill I'll accept but the other two are journeymen and we paid over the odds for both imho. Chuck Rasiak (on loan agreed) and Cohen in too and 1 out of 5 is good is it? Wake up and face facts.
Steinson in dutch team of season for two years running . Matty taylor who as created three goals in are last four games . Journeymen ? Gus hiddink stated steinson is one of the best right backs in europe . Talyor needs a good pre season and get match fit and he will show is true qualitys. who would you bring in then ? If megson was sacked tomoz i would not be arsed . Still dont forgive him for sporting away but he as done a job for us by keeping us up . What we cant do is get a manager in and he proves to be as good as little sam . If megson goes , get a good manager in but for me big sam is not the man .
Posted by: Fred Hamer, Gold Coast Australia on 8:31am Mon 5 May 08
Spot on Andy. Megson is no Wenger but would Wenger or Ferguson do any better under a Gartside led Bolton. It has been frustrating watching Bolton play so badly all season but I must agree with Megson that the poor football and bad results were there long before Sam left. It is likely that was a contributing factor to Sams decision to leave. A new top flight manager with a 30/40 million budget would make a significant difference but if those kind of funds are not being made available then a top manager would not be interested and in that case Megson would be as good as the rest of the bunch.
Spot on Andy. Megson is no Wenger but would Wenger or Ferguson do any better under a Gartside led Bolton. It has been frustrating watching Bolton play so badly all season but I must agree with Megson that the poor football and bad results were there long before Sam left. It is likely that was a contributing factor to Sams decision to leave. A new top flight manager with a 30/40 million budget would make a significant difference but if those kind of funds are not being made available then a top manager would not be interested and in that case Megson would be as good as the rest of the bunch.
Posted by: bibendum, Rotherham on 8:45am Mon 5 May 08
It's true that the football tailed off before BSA left but we don't know what was going on behind the scenes do we.
BSA was a motivator but if the man himself wasn't motivated and who would be by Gartside and let's include all the "Bungs" enquiry, his sons involvement and the fact he was robbed of the England job and maybe there was a reason things tailed off a bit before he left.
Just remember what happened before that though and all the wonderful players Sam did sign that you and I never ever thought we'd see at the Reebok.
We actually had all the top teams scared stiff so how bad is that? I'd also disagree about the quality of football under BSA which wasn't all route 1 as the media likes to quote. I saw some fantastic skill and football in that time from players like; Djorkaef, Okocha, Stellios and Hierro but I will agree Sam's negativity and wish to defend a 1-0 scoreline often had me pulling my hair out.
Would I swop Sam for Mego, of course I would, as would any right minded whites fan, but if he doesn't come back then let's be adventurous and try to sign a manager with vision and respect in the game who will at least give us back our pride.
We punched above our weight for years let's be honest but there's no reason why we can't be regularly a mid to top 6 table team who try for the cups at least every year.
It's true that the football tailed off before BSA left but we don't know what was going on behind the scenes do we.
BSA was a motivator but if the man himself wasn't motivated and who would be by Gartside and let's include all the "Bungs" enquiry, his sons involvement and the fact he was robbed of the England job and maybe there was a reason things tailed off a bit before he left.
Just remember what happened before that though and all the wonderful players Sam did sign that you and I never ever thought we'd see at the Reebok.
We actually had all the top teams scared stiff so how bad is that? I'd also disagree about the quality of football under BSA which wasn't all route 1 as the media likes to quote. I saw some fantastic skill and football in that time from players like; Djorkaef, Okocha, Stellios and Hierro but I will agree Sam's negativity and wish to defend a 1-0 scoreline often had me pulling my hair out.
Would I swop Sam for Mego, of course I would, as would any right minded whites fan, but if he doesn't come back then let's be adventurous and try to sign a manager with vision and respect in the game who will at least give us back our pride.
We punched above our weight for years let's be honest but there's no reason why we can't be regularly a mid to top 6 table team who try for the cups at least every year.
Posted by: Gloucster White, Gloucester on 8:48am Mon 5 May 08
Still think he should walk, still think he is clueless, still think he is by no stretch of the imagination a prem class manager. We hit form at the right time(lucky against boro and spurs and we know it) as have Fulham, we are very lucky that Reading have been unable to score and brum are worse than us at present. Please don't delude yourselves, we are sh!t at the mo and with this clown in charge we will only get worse. I will be praying and fasting for a new leadership in the close season (not only for my church but) for the club I love
Still think he should walk, still think he is clueless, still think he is by no stretch of the imagination a prem class manager. We hit form at the right time(lucky against boro and spurs and we know it) as have Fulham, we are very lucky that Reading have been unable to score and brum are worse than us at present. Please don't delude yourselves, we are sh!t at the mo and with this clown in charge we will only get worse. I will be praying and fasting for a new leadership in the close season (not only for my church but) for the club I love
This isn't the balance sheet I'd like to debate. Let's allow that Gary Megson has kept us up. Let's also acknowledge his contribution to the critical victory v Birmingham, the performances at Bayern and Red Star and the a memorable 1-0 v Man Utd. Also I'm happy to praise the signings of Cahill, Steinsson and Taylor.(I'm also reserving judgment re Cohen.the goal v Liverpool and near equaliser v Portsmouth were good,nippy efforts). Well done, Gary for all of that.Nor here is it necessary to reiterate criticisms of the tactics, selections and narrowness of vision that others have amply documented.
However, there is on the debit side a real worry for me. This is an edited version of a more rambling post I made yesterday
'Yesterday we took the field with one Omani, one Senegalese, one Icelandic and then 8 players from the British Isles.On the bench were one Greek,one Ivory Coaster,a Pole and an Israeli.
In the ranks of the perpetually overlooked are an Iranian, a Spaniard,a Portugese,a Slovenian, a Norwegian, a Swiss and another Pole.
Known spats have occurred with the Ivory Coaster and I think the Senegalese and two Spaniards.Our Finn's form has deteriorated alarmingly and he has disappeared as has an Icelandic?
In January at a point where African players were much in view I remarked at the time that we had engaged an Icelandic and an Israeli, but otherwise appeared to be scouring the British lower divisions.
What does this imply about current and futurer future recruitment strategy? Especially if we consider manager's instinctive disparagement of our participation in the UEFA cup.
Big Sam,and I am not here making a plus or minus comparison with his era, actively courted,recruited, supported with his backroom staff players from all over the world, from Europe,Asia,South America and Africa.
He had a few failures, eg Diawara,Jardel, Ballesta,Julio Caesar, Moreno and to some extent he made a failure of Borgetti BUT the integrationist strategy was ahead of its time and remarkably successful overall.Mendy,Djorka
eff,Ngotty,Candela from France:Okocha,Meite ( in Big Sam's time),Jaidi ( up to a point) , Fadiga ( at times) Diouff-from all over Africa, Nakata and Nishizawa ...from Japan.
This was all in addition to maintaining and strenghtening the Scandinavian strategy of his predecessors.
We were especially honoured and privileged to see Bergsson, Okocha, Djorkaeff, Hierro,Campo and latterly Anelka but our play was enriched by all these global styles and influences.
So what is our future policy? Markets, of course, are dynamic and the invasion of the Premier League by multi-national, overseas corporations and moguls may have drastically shifted the balance since Big Sam's era. Maybe it's harder to attract players in the context of today's agents, youtube proliferation etc. However unless or until the market for British Isles young and experienced players radically changes, we surely need to be prepared to compete in the global arena, perhaps in China and certainly in Africa and South America.
None of this is to decry traditional British footballing virtues as embodied by the likes of Kevin Davies.At what he does there is no-one finer. I'm in the camp that admires the Nolans and sometimes McCanns of this world too. But it's just not enough to compete or entertain in the Premier League context of 2008.
My hope is that we have an active, competitive, global recruitment,retentio
n and support strategy alongside a revitalised potential for bringing along young players, wherever originating. My fear is that in current management we have someone who not only fails to understand this but just may be instinctively and actively averse to the global market and not just inexperienced or out of his depth.If so allegedly positive stats and survival this year will just defer issues that are at the root of the current malaise amongst both long and more recently estcblished Bolton diehard supporters, who have been so magnificent at recent games.
It looks likely that Jaaskalainen,Diouf, Stelios and Campo will now depart and maybe some of the other forgotten foreigners too.
Like everyone else I'm delighted that the lads, by their own endeavours leapt from the scaffold yesterday. I thought it was a pretty awful game at times but in flashes Diouff lit it up, didn't he, and so did Steinsson and also Al Habsi, who's been excellent these last few games. Cahill was excellent and the other British islanders, not least McCann, Guthrie and Nolan had some passing disasters but were admirable in their pressing and commitment.
You are right, Erichyland, to raise this hare, which I have now chased several times round the track. It's a concern in the global premier league. But it also raises more serious questions about strategy and , I think, the moral core of the club.But I've banged on about this before.I hope I'm wrong and that if Megson stays with us, it emerges over time that his hands have been tied and that he's really an expansionist, attack-minded, creative manager and an international diplomat and global player. What price?
This isn't the balance sheet I'd like to debate. Let's allow that Gary Megson has kept us up. Let's also acknowledge his contribution to the critical victory v Birmingham, the performances at Bayern and Red Star and the a memorable 1-0 v Man Utd. Also I'm happy to praise the signings of Cahill, Steinsson and Taylor.(I'm also reserving judgment re Cohen.the goal v Liverpool and near equaliser v Portsmouth were good,nippy efforts). Well done, Gary for all of that.Nor here is it necessary to reiterate criticisms of the tactics, selections and narrowness of vision that others have amply documented.
However, there is on the debit side a real worry for me. This is an edited version of a more rambling post I made yesterday
'Yesterday we took the field with one Omani, one Senegalese, one Icelandic and then 8 players from the British Isles.On the bench were one Greek,one Ivory Coaster,a Pole and an Israeli.
In the ranks of the perpetually overlooked are an Iranian, a Spaniard,a Portugese,a Slovenian, a Norwegian, a Swiss and another Pole.
Known spats have occurred with the Ivory Coaster and I think the Senegalese and two Spaniards.Our Finn's form has deteriorated alarmingly and he has disappeared as has an Icelandic?
In January at a point where African players were much in view I remarked at the time that we had engaged an Icelandic and an Israeli, but otherwise appeared to be scouring the British lower divisions.
What does this imply about current and futurer future recruitment strategy? Especially if we consider manager's instinctive disparagement of our participation in the UEFA cup.
Big Sam,and I am not here making a plus or minus comparison with his era, actively courted,recruited, supported with his backroom staff players from all over the world, from Europe,Asia,South America and Africa.
He had a few failures, eg Diawara,Jardel, Ballesta,Julio Caesar, Moreno and to some extent he made a failure of Borgetti BUT the integrationist strategy was ahead of its time and remarkably successful overall.Mendy,Djorka
eff,Ngotty,Candela from France:Okocha,Meite ( in Big Sam's time),Jaidi ( up to a point) , Fadiga ( at times) Diouff-from all over Africa, Nakata and Nishizawa ...from Japan.
This was all in addition to maintaining and strenghtening the Scandinavian strategy of his predecessors.
We were especially honoured and privileged to see Bergsson, Okocha, Djorkaeff, Hierro,Campo and latterly Anelka but our play was enriched by all these global styles and influences.
So what is our future policy? Markets, of course, are dynamic and the invasion of the Premier League by multi-national, overseas corporations and moguls may have drastically shifted the balance since Big Sam's era. Maybe it's harder to attract players in the context of today's agents, youtube proliferation etc. However unless or until the market for British Isles young and experienced players radically changes, we surely need to be prepared to compete in the global arena, perhaps in China and certainly in Africa and South America.
None of this is to decry traditional British footballing virtues as embodied by the likes of Kevin Davies.At what he does there is no-one finer. I'm in the camp that admires the Nolans and sometimes McCanns of this world too. But it's just not enough to compete or entertain in the Premier League context of 2008.
My hope is that we have an active, competitive, global recruitment,retentio
n and support strategy alongside a revitalised potential for bringing along young players, wherever originating. My fear is that in current management we have someone who not only fails to understand this but just may be instinctively and actively averse to the global market and not just inexperienced or out of his depth.If so allegedly positive stats and survival this year will just defer issues that are at the root of the current malaise amongst both long and more recently estcblished Bolton diehard supporters, who have been so magnificent at recent games.
It looks likely that Jaaskalainen,Diouf, Stelios and Campo will now depart and maybe some of the other forgotten foreigners too.
Like everyone else I'm delighted that the lads, by their own endeavours leapt from the scaffold yesterday. I thought it was a pretty awful game at times but in flashes Diouff lit it up, didn't he, and so did Steinsson and also Al Habsi, who's been excellent these last few games. Cahill was excellent and the other British islanders, not least McCann, Guthrie and Nolan had some passing disasters but were admirable in their pressing and commitment.
You are right, Erichyland, to raise this hare, which I have now chased several times round the track. It's a concern in the global premier league. But it also raises more serious questions about strategy and , I think, the moral core of the club.But I've banged on about this before.I hope I'm wrong and that if Megson stays with us, it emerges over time that his hands have been tied and that he's really an expansionist, attack-minded, creative manager and an international diplomat and global player. What price?
Just a couple of comments because I do not want to rain on the parade. Joanna - best post on here for a long while (on the "we are staying up thread")and totally echoes my thoughts the morning after. You and Julie for the board! Looking forward to reading your report on the Chelsea game.
To those who keep insisting Megson kept us up.
Negson alias Mugson did NOT keep us up. We were just VERY lucky that we were not hammered at Boro and Spurs, results in the last two weeks went our way (most amazingly as we haven't had the rub of the green all season)and the lads gave it their all and played it THEIR way after the Villa game. Talk to anyone who sits near the dugout about what he shouts and gesticulates and you would be very surprised. His "instructions" have mostly not been followed.
Well done you Whites!!! We, are, staying up, we are staying up!
BN please REMOVE that photo. Enough is enough!
Just a couple of comments because I do not want to rain on the parade. Joanna - best post on here for a long while (on the "we are staying up thread")and totally echoes my thoughts the morning after. You and Julie for the board! Looking forward to reading your report on the Chelsea game.
To those who keep insisting Megson kept us up.
Negson alias Mugson did NOT keep us up. We were just VERY lucky that we were not hammered at Boro and Spurs, results in the last two weeks went our way (most amazingly as we haven't had the rub of the green all season)and the lads gave it their all and played it THEIR way after the Villa game. Talk to anyone who sits near the dugout about what he shouts and gesticulates and you would be very surprised. His "instructions" have mostly not been followed.
Well done you Whites!!! We, are, staying up, we are staying up!
What a load of drivel.
how many of the previous 27 games was sammy lee in charge of?
if you take the ten games away this season and -5 points that leaves 17 games and 18 points.
on the decline for 18 month?
did we not get into europe?
coarse we did.
"It makes me laugh when people criticise and have an opinion"
Is no one allowed an opinion?
Is this why half the players want to leave?
2003/04=8th/53pts
2004/5=8th/56pts
2005/6=7th/56pts
Can somebody tell me how its declined before sammy lee took over?
What a load of drivel.
how many of the previous 27 games was sammy lee in charge of?
if you take the ten games away this season and -5 points that leaves 17 games and 18 points.
on the decline for 18 month?
did we not get into europe?
coarse we did.
"It makes me laugh when people criticise and have an opinion"
Is no one allowed an opinion?
Is this why half the players want to leave?
2003/04=8th/53pts
2004/5=8th/56pts
2005/6=7th/56pts
Can somebody tell me how its declined before sammy lee took over?
Posted by: Bolton Blogger, Bolt on 9:22am Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]hatemanu[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]bibendum[/bold] wrote: hatemanu, make your mind up mate, "the style of play at the moment is awful" you said and you're absolutely right. Wake up and realise we stayed up in spite of this character not because of him and next season will be no better if he's still here except all our better players will be gone. He has not done well, the players and supporters have done well, not Megson. As for good signings, Cahill I'll accept but the other two are journeymen and we paid over the odds for both imho. Chuck Rasiak (on loan agreed) and Cohen in too and 1 out of 5 is good is it? Wake up and face facts. [/quote] Steinson in dutch team of season for two years running . Matty taylor who as created three goals in are last four games . Journeymen ? Gus hiddink stated steinson is one of the best right backs in europe . Talyor needs a good pre season and get match fit and he will show is true qualitys. who would you bring in then ? If megson was sacked tomoz i would not be arsed . Still dont forgive him for sporting away but he as done a job for us by keeping us up . What we cant do is get a manager in and he proves to be as good as little sam . If megson goes , get a good manager in but for me big sam is not the man . [/quote] Hold up - Steinsson came from Heerenveen and not the Dutch champion for 4 years on the trot - PSV!
[bold]Megson Out
Gartside Out
Curtis Out[/bold]
And before anyome complain about that - please re-read my posts (both as Bolton Blogger and Amosc99) in which I actually state that the team has been on free-fall for almost 2 years and not 18 months!!!!!
hatemanu wrote:
bibendum wrote: hatemanu, make your mind up mate, "the style of play at the moment is awful" you said and you're absolutely right. Wake up and realise we stayed up in spite of this character not because of him and next season will be no better if he's still here except all our better players will be gone. He has not done well, the players and supporters have done well, not Megson. As for good signings, Cahill I'll accept but the other two are journeymen and we paid over the odds for both imho. Chuck Rasiak (on loan agreed) and Cohen in too and 1 out of 5 is good is it? Wake up and face facts.
Steinson in dutch team of season for two years running . Matty taylor who as created three goals in are last four games . Journeymen ? Gus hiddink stated steinson is one of the best right backs in europe . Talyor needs a good pre season and get match fit and he will show is true qualitys. who would you bring in then ? If megson was sacked tomoz i would not be arsed . Still dont forgive him for sporting away but he as done a job for us by keeping us up . What we cant do is get a manager in and he proves to be as good as little sam . If megson goes , get a good manager in but for me big sam is not the man .
Hold up - Steinsson came from Heerenveen and not the Dutch champion for 4 years on the trot - PSV!
Megson Out
Gartside Out
Curtis Out
And before anyome complain about that - please re-read my posts (both as Bolton Blogger and Amosc99) in which I actually state that the team has been on free-fall for almost 2 years and not 18 months!!!!!
[quote][bold]MICK[/bold] wrote:
What a load of drivel. how many of the previous 27 games was sammy lee in charge of? if you take the ten games away this season and -5 points that leaves 17 games and 18 points. on the decline for 18 month? did we not get into europe? coarse we did. "It makes me laugh when people criticise and have an opinion" Is no one allowed an opinion? Is this why half the players want to leave? 2003/04=8th/53pts 2004/5=8th/56pts 2005/6=7th/56pts Can somebody tell me how its declined before sammy lee took over?[/quote] sorry
03/04=8th/53pts
04/05=6th/58pts
05/06=8th/56pts
06/07=7th/56pts
MICK wrote:
What a load of drivel. how many of the previous 27 games was sammy lee in charge of? if you take the ten games away this season and -5 points that leaves 17 games and 18 points. on the decline for 18 month? did we not get into europe? coarse we did. "It makes me laugh when people criticise and have an opinion" Is no one allowed an opinion? Is this why half the players want to leave? 2003/04=8th/53pts 2004/5=8th/56pts 2005/6=7th/56pts Can somebody tell me how its declined before sammy lee took over?
Posted by: Camposcomb, westhoughton on 9:31am Mon 5 May 08
Funny...thought Megson said not long ago that he didnt listen to the criticisms or read the papers etc etc!!! More tosh from our gaz..The players kept us up..well done to them but I refuse to have my intelligence insulted by Megson..PS no subs used on Sat..probably because no one got crocked which would have made him make a decision!!!
Funny...thought Megson said not long ago that he didnt listen to the criticisms or read the papers etc etc!!! More tosh from our gaz..The players kept us up..well done to them but I refuse to have my intelligence insulted by Megson..PS no subs used on Sat..probably because no one got crocked which would have made him make a decision!!!
Posted by: Camposcomb, westhoughton on 9:31am Mon 5 May 08
Funny...thought Megson said not long ago that he didnt listen to the criticisms or read the papers etc etc!!! More tosh from our gaz..The players kept us up..well done to them but I refuse to have my intelligence insulted by Megson..PS no subs used on Sat..probably because no one got crocked which would have made him make a decision!!!
Funny...thought Megson said not long ago that he didnt listen to the criticisms or read the papers etc etc!!! More tosh from our gaz..The players kept us up..well done to them but I refuse to have my intelligence insulted by Megson..PS no subs used on Sat..probably because no one got crocked which would have made him make a decision!!!
Posted by: Bolton Blogger, Bolt on 9:51am Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]bibendum[/bold] wrote:
There isn't a truthful word comes out of Megson's mouth. Much like the tirade of expletives he uses from the touchline to "motivate" the players!![/quote] That is because the players are not playing to HIS tactics - and haven't done for about 2 months now (all I will say is the player that told me this has 6 letters in his surname!)
bibendum wrote:
There isn't a truthful word comes out of Megson's mouth. Much like the tirade of expletives he uses from the touchline to "motivate" the players!!
That is because the players are not playing to HIS tactics - and haven't done for about 2 months now (all I will say is the player that told me this has 6 letters in his surname!)
Posted by: trotters1964, preston on 10:12am Mon 5 May 08
why cant megson shut up, these are meaningless stats that neither win or lose games, our goalscoring record is dreadful (no mention), our passing record is the lowest of all time for accuracy (see opta stats)(no mention), 31 points from 27 games, its not actually brilliant gary is it? didnt recall these stats 23 games 21 points two or three weeks ago. what we need megson is action, transfers in not out, money spent on retaining our best players, improving fitness and the revamping of the academy. when will you learn to accept youve been lucky and the players and the fans bailed you out, your selections, cohen and rasiak were comical, i just hope you get the same 10 games lsl got last season or will you still be blaming lee,allardyce then, the worst type of manager blames his predessesors whilst sucking up to the chairmen. man utd were once bottom of the table and went on to win the championship, theres statistics, damned statistics and lies.
why cant megson shut up, these are meaningless stats that neither win or lose games, our goalscoring record is dreadful (no mention), our passing record is the lowest of all time for accuracy (see opta stats)(no mention), 31 points from 27 games, its not actually brilliant gary is it? didnt recall these stats 23 games 21 points two or three weeks ago. what we need megson is action, transfers in not out, money spent on retaining our best players, improving fitness and the revamping of the academy. when will you learn to accept youve been lucky and the players and the fans bailed you out, your selections, cohen and rasiak were comical, i just hope you get the same 10 games lsl got last season or will you still be blaming lee,allardyce then, the worst type of manager blames his predessesors whilst sucking up to the chairmen. man utd were once bottom of the table and went on to win the championship, theres statistics, damned statistics and lies.
Posted by: trotters1964, preston on 10:19am Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]MICK[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]MICK[/bold] wrote: What a load of drivel. how many of the previous 27 games was sammy lee in charge of? if you take the ten games away this season and -5 points that leaves 17 games and 18 points. on the decline for 18 month? did we not get into europe? coarse we did. "It makes me laugh when people criticise and have an opinion" Is no one allowed an opinion? Is this why half the players want to leave? 2003/04=8th/53pts 2004/5=8th/56pts 2005/6=7th/56pts Can somebody tell me how its declined before sammy lee took over?[/quote] sorry 03/04=8th/53pts 04/05=6th/58pts 05/06=8th/56pts 06/07=7th/56pts[/quote] strange but isnt that success yet there are people on these sites who wanted allardyce sacked for playing negative football. those very people will already have been putting a large spoonful od sugar on their words in order to make them more palatable to eat. in 5 years time we will bemoaning the departure of sam allardyce and the subsequent 12 months. not in the short term, but the long term harm that has been done to the club.
MICK wrote:
MICK wrote: What a load of drivel. how many of the previous 27 games was sammy lee in charge of? if you take the ten games away this season and -5 points that leaves 17 games and 18 points. on the decline for 18 month? did we not get into europe? coarse we did. "It makes me laugh when people criticise and have an opinion" Is no one allowed an opinion? Is this why half the players want to leave? 2003/04=8th/53pts 2004/5=8th/56pts 2005/6=7th/56pts Can somebody tell me how its declined before sammy lee took over?
strange but isnt that success yet there are people on these sites who wanted allardyce sacked for playing negative football. those very people will already have been putting a large spoonful od sugar on their words in order to make them more palatable to eat. in 5 years time we will bemoaning the departure of sam allardyce and the subsequent 12 months. not in the short term, but the long term harm that has been done to the club.
Posted by: bolton-till-i-die, bolton on 10:32am Mon 5 May 08
[bold]bold[/bold] Megson has done well to get the team out of the drop. stop moaning and critisin him, concentrate on backing the team instead of being against them. If you dont like it change teams!!
--BWFC TILL I DIE--
Well done megz n all the players- brillant result keep it up against chelsea!!!
Megson has done well to get the team out of the drop. stop moaning and critisin him, concentrate on backing the team instead of being against them. If you dont like it change teams!!
--BWFC TILL I DIE--
Well done megz n all the players- brillant result keep it up against chelsea!!!
Posted by: King Cain, Bolton on 10:32am Mon 5 May 08
Well ive only just sobered up from Saturday plus I seem to have lost my voice, the Reebok was rocking some. Fantastic result achieved by sheer brute determination rather than guile but ill take it for the short term. Well done to the players for getting us out of this mess in recent weeks. Let’s saviour the moment but at the same time do not let this escape act cloud our judgement. To forget about what has gone on in recent years in particular the last couple would be foolish, another season of gross under investment coupled with a very poor manager in charge will only result in the same next year. Im sick of hearing Megson telling us how well he’s done and our position when he took over. Well he inherited the vast majority of a team that had finished in the top 8 for 4 consecutive seasons with only 10 games of the season undeway. Gartside and Davies should be bold and brave and get rid, install a fresh, hungry, young, innovative manager like John Collins now to take us forward with a war chest from last years sky money (which we never spent), the small profit from the Anelka sale and this years sky money. Without this I dread to think what season ticket sales will be like, despite what Gartside thinks we are not thick and this success is only painting over the cracks.
Well ive only just sobered up from Saturday plus I seem to have lost my voice, the Reebok was rocking some. Fantastic result achieved by sheer brute determination rather than guile but ill take it for the short term. Well done to the players for getting us out of this mess in recent weeks. Let’s saviour the moment but at the same time do not let this escape act cloud our judgement. To forget about what has gone on in recent years in particular the last couple would be foolish, another season of gross under investment coupled with a very poor manager in charge will only result in the same next year. Im sick of hearing Megson telling us how well he’s done and our position when he took over. Well he inherited the vast majority of a team that had finished in the top 8 for 4 consecutive seasons with only 10 games of the season undeway. Gartside and Davies should be bold and brave and get rid, install a fresh, hungry, young, innovative manager like John Collins now to take us forward with a war chest from last years sky money (which we never spent), the small profit from the Anelka sale and this years sky money. Without this I dread to think what season ticket sales will be like, despite what Gartside thinks we are not thick and this success is only painting over the cracks.
Posted by: Julie Moores, Bolton on 10:32am Mon 5 May 08
Nobody at the club comes out with much credit:-
Gartside and Board- rushed, cheap option appointments, insulted loyal fans, lied to us all about Anelka sale and non existent £7mill striker bids.
Megson- Did his best to throw UEFA ties, delighted to lose in Lisbon, only Manager I know to lose twice in a month against 10 men, repeatedly played negative sides, poor use of subs, continued with his favourites over better quality players, makes a complete idiot of himself on the line. So lucky to find 3 worse teams than us.
Players- deserve no praise for scraping through in the end. Who can forget desperate shows against Rovers ( twice ) Liverpool ( twice ) City, Fulham, United away, Sunderland away, Birmingham and Derby away, Everton, Wigan and Arsenal debacles.
In most of those matches the players never turned up until we had gifted early leads, others due to a lack of fitness we gave away late goals.
I certainly dont trust Megson to improve anything next season and we will see pretty much more of the same. Reserve cup sides, boring, negative Prem teams. I bet he's already casting envious eyes at the released lists from Leicester, Scunthorpe and Mansfield.
Soon we will see the return of the invisible Chairman blasting the non- believers, talking of £30 mill transfer funds to coincide with season ticket sales. The club stinks from top to bottom. Incompetant leadership off the field, lazy, overpaid players who did nothing to raise their game until almost too late. I hope the whole lot are ashamed of their performances this season.
Nobody at the club comes out with much credit:-
Gartside and Board- rushed, cheap option appointments, insulted loyal fans, lied to us all about Anelka sale and non existent £7mill striker bids.
Megson- Did his best to throw UEFA ties, delighted to lose in Lisbon, only Manager I know to lose twice in a month against 10 men, repeatedly played negative sides, poor use of subs, continued with his favourites over better quality players, makes a complete idiot of himself on the line. So lucky to find 3 worse teams than us.
Players- deserve no praise for scraping through in the end. Who can forget desperate shows against Rovers ( twice ) Liverpool ( twice ) City, Fulham, United away, Sunderland away, Birmingham and Derby away, Everton, Wigan and Arsenal debacles.
In most of those matches the players never turned up until we had gifted early leads, others due to a lack of fitness we gave away late goals.
I certainly dont trust Megson to improve anything next season and we will see pretty much more of the same. Reserve cup sides, boring, negative Prem teams. I bet he's already casting envious eyes at the released lists from Leicester, Scunthorpe and Mansfield.
Soon we will see the return of the invisible Chairman blasting the non- believers, talking of £30 mill transfer funds to coincide with season ticket sales. The club stinks from top to bottom. Incompetant leadership off the field, lazy, overpaid players who did nothing to raise their game until almost too late. I hope the whole lot are ashamed of their performances this season.
These statistics aren't needed, you'd have to be an idiot to think Megson hasn't done a good job.
Unfortunately this site provides a platform for such people.
These statistics aren't needed, you'd have to be an idiot to think Megson hasn't done a good job.
Unfortunately this site provides a platform for such people.
Posted by: Camposcomb, westhoughton on 11:01am Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]steve[/bold] wrote:
These statistics aren't needed, you'd have to be an idiot to think Megson hasn't done a good job. Unfortunately this site provides a platform for such people.[/quote] Who are you..Megson,s brother? We are not idots we just want better for our football club and we wont get it under Megson..FACT
steve wrote:
These statistics aren't needed, you'd have to be an idiot to think Megson hasn't done a good job. Unfortunately this site provides a platform for such people.
Who are you..Megson,s brother? We are not idots we just want better for our football club and we wont get it under Megson..FACT
We are not idots
Oh really.
Then you'll realise Bolton are punching way above their weight,we have a very poor fan base paying much less in season ticket fees than the vast majority of other Premiership clubs.The fan base is dwindling because many supporters bought season tickets on the back of the new Reebok, never having had one before and now the novelty has worn off.
Sam Allardyce will never be replaced he was an exceptional Manager,Gary Megson will do well to keep us in the premier league and it will be almost impossible for a club of Boltons stature to attract someone with a better record.Anyone who thinks differently I'd be delighted to hear suggestions for someone with a better track record who'd consider coming to Bolton.
Jewell,Warnock,
Souness,Coppell,
Coleman,Mcleish,Bruc
e the list is endless do they have better records than Megson?
Dream on.
We are not idots
Oh really.
Then you'll realise Bolton are punching way above their weight,we have a very poor fan base paying much less in season ticket fees than the vast majority of other Premiership clubs.The fan base is dwindling because many supporters bought season tickets on the back of the new Reebok, never having had one before and now the novelty has worn off.
Sam Allardyce will never be replaced he was an exceptional Manager,Gary Megson will do well to keep us in the premier league and it will be almost impossible for a club of Boltons stature to attract someone with a better record.Anyone who thinks differently I'd be delighted to hear suggestions for someone with a better track record who'd consider coming to Bolton.
Jewell,Warnock,
Souness,Coppell,
Coleman,Mcleish,Bruc
e the list is endless do they have better records than Megson?
Dream on.
Posted by: Norn Iron Wanderer, Northern Ireland on 11:15am Mon 5 May 08
I agree steve. He has come to the club in a turn around stage. Quality players signed by BSA are getting past it and new blood needed to be brought in. If Jans signings are anything to go by i khink he will buy wisely this summer. BSA did well on signing front but he did make enough. Guess we must have had almost every nation at some point. Gartside has not helped over these last twelve months but Megson has done an alright job. With a summer to sign new players and get rid of dead wood next season could be a good one.
I agree steve. He has come to the club in a turn around stage. Quality players signed by BSA are getting past it and new blood needed to be brought in. If Jans signings are anything to go by i khink he will buy wisely this summer. BSA did well on signing front but he did make enough. Guess we must have had almost every nation at some point. Gartside has not helped over these last twelve months but Megson has done an alright job. With a summer to sign new players and get rid of dead wood next season could be a good one.
People can make any stats work for them.
with the stats megson is talking about all it proves is he's better than lsl.
If you look at the stats from last season before lsl took over you can take any 27 games in the 36 games under bsa and the stats are better.
1st 10 games 20pts
6 wins 2 draws 2 lost.
Now the next set of stats dont read that good but are still better than megsons.
26 games 35pts
10 wins 5 draws 11 lost.
In megsons 27 games
8 wins 7 draws 12 lost.
Agreeing that bsa gave up after the jan transfer window it shows that even at his worst he was still better than megson.
People can make any stats work for them.
with the stats megson is talking about all it proves is he's better than lsl.
If you look at the stats from last season before lsl took over you can take any 27 games in the 36 games under bsa and the stats are better.
1st 10 games 20pts
6 wins 2 draws 2 lost.
Now the next set of stats dont read that good but are still better than megsons.
26 games 35pts
10 wins 5 draws 11 lost.
In megsons 27 games
8 wins 7 draws 12 lost.
Agreeing that bsa gave up after the jan transfer window it shows that even at his worst he was still better than megson.
Posted by: Only one Andy Walker, London on 11:22am Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]bolton-till-i-die[/bold] wrote:
[bold]bold[/bold] Megson has done well to get the team out of the drop. stop moaning and critisin him, concentrate on backing the team instead of being against them. If you dont like it change teams!!
--BWFC TILL I DIE--
Well done megz n all the players- brillant result keep it up against chelsea!!!
[/quote] no you change teams! if you wanna stay down at the bottom ever season possible relegated under megson. i want a forward thinking manager who is going to take us higher than allardyce. I believe in being positive but not when it comes to megson how's done nothing for this club.
Megson = wasting money on championship footballers like that idiot manager at fulham sanchez.
I always want the best for bolton i will never settle for second best.
Come you Whites.
I'd like to confound the critics and get into the champions league. anything wrong with that?
I always sing and scream at bolton football matches to get behind the team. quite forgiving of the players but i know when we have dropped in quality. and megsons that drop.
bolton-till-i-die wrote:
Megson has done well to get the team out of the drop. stop moaning and critisin him, concentrate on backing the team instead of being against them. If you dont like it change teams!!
--BWFC TILL I DIE--
Well done megz n all the players- brillant result keep it up against chelsea!!!
no you change teams! if you wanna stay down at the bottom ever season possible relegated under megson. i want a forward thinking manager who is going to take us higher than allardyce. I believe in being positive but not when it comes to megson how's done nothing for this club.
Megson = wasting money on championship footballers like that idiot manager at fulham sanchez.
I always want the best for bolton i will never settle for second best.
Come you Whites.
I'd like to confound the critics and get into the champions league. anything wrong with that?
I always sing and scream at bolton football matches to get behind the team. quite forgiving of the players but i know when we have dropped in quality. and megsons that drop.
[quote][bold]steve[/bold] wrote:
We are not idots Oh really. Then you'll realise Bolton are punching way above their weight,we have a very poor fan base paying much less in season ticket fees than the vast majority of other Premiership clubs.The fan base is dwindling because many supporters bought season tickets on the back of the new Reebok, never having had one before and now the novelty has worn off. Sam Allardyce will never be replaced he was an exceptional Manager,Gary Megson will do well to keep us in the premier league and it will be almost impossible for a club of Boltons stature to attract someone with a better record.Anyone who thinks differently I'd be delighted to hear suggestions for someone with a better track record who'd consider coming to Bolton. Jewell,Warnock, Souness,Coppell, Coleman,Mcleish,Bruc e the list is endless do they have better records than Megson? Dream on.[/quote] Paul Ince.
steve wrote:
We are not idots Oh really. Then you'll realise Bolton are punching way above their weight,we have a very poor fan base paying much less in season ticket fees than the vast majority of other Premiership clubs.The fan base is dwindling because many supporters bought season tickets on the back of the new Reebok, never having had one before and now the novelty has worn off. Sam Allardyce will never be replaced he was an exceptional Manager,Gary Megson will do well to keep us in the premier league and it will be almost impossible for a club of Boltons stature to attract someone with a better record.Anyone who thinks differently I'd be delighted to hear suggestions for someone with a better track record who'd consider coming to Bolton. Jewell,Warnock, Souness,Coppell, Coleman,Mcleish,Bruc e the list is endless do they have better records than Megson? Dream on.
well can you imagine what its going to be like next season,with the likes of diouf stellios campo jussie and maybe more on there way out,who the hell are they going to get to come to a club not wanting to compete in europe not wanting to go to wembley and only wanting to stay in the prem/ship near the bottom.The fact is they now need some quality players stating the ovious and a top quality manager
well can you imagine what its going to be like next season,with the likes of diouf stellios campo jussie and maybe more on there way out,who the hell are they going to get to come to a club not wanting to compete in europe not wanting to go to wembley and only wanting to stay in the prem/ship near the bottom.The fact is they now need some quality players stating the ovious and a top quality manager
Posted by: IWillShareTheTruth, MEGSON IS STILL A T****R on 11:35am Mon 5 May 08
On the basis the status quo remains, next season even the idiot Megson cannot be so bad as to get us relegateed.
West Brom will struggle, Mowbray says they will continue to play nice football, but as Arsenal have found out, pretty stuff doesnt win stuff and clearly WBA do not have the quality of players Arsenal do, they'll struggle.
Stoke = Derby County
Hull/Watford/Bristol C/Crystal Palace = No strength or depth there whatsoever.
Cannot say I am a Megson fan - massive dilemma caused by wanting to support the team, but grudge supporting him and Gartside.
Need a good clear out - Boro are after JSL, so I'd sell him, woeful. Guthrie not suited to the Bolton stylee, Nolan....well, dont rate him, but many people do, he'll be here until the day they take him out in a wooden box. Make Cahill captain for me. Need a decent striker.
One final thing - James from LBHG says "hello" to everyone...I spoke to him the other day and he is sorry the website had to be shut down, basically it seems like his family were starting to get some problems because of the campaign and that is why he had to wind it up at such short notice.
On the basis the status quo remains, next season even the idiot Megson cannot be so bad as to get us relegateed.
West Brom will struggle, Mowbray says they will continue to play nice football, but as Arsenal have found out, pretty stuff doesnt win stuff and clearly WBA do not have the quality of players Arsenal do, they'll struggle.
Stoke = Derby County
Hull/Watford/Bristol C/Crystal Palace = No strength or depth there whatsoever.
Cannot say I am a Megson fan - massive dilemma caused by wanting to support the team, but grudge supporting him and Gartside.
Need a good clear out - Boro are after JSL, so I'd sell him, woeful. Guthrie not suited to the Bolton stylee, Nolan....well, dont rate him, but many people do, he'll be here until the day they take him out in a wooden box. Make Cahill captain for me. Need a decent striker.
One final thing - James from LBHG says "hello" to everyone...I spoke to him the other day and he is sorry the website had to be shut down, basically it seems like his family were starting to get some problems because of the campaign and that is why he had to wind it up at such short notice.
Posted by: King Cain, Bolton on 11:40am Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]IWillShareTheTruth[/bold] wrote:
On the basis the status quo remains, next season even the idiot Megson cannot be so bad as to get us relegateed. West Brom will struggle, Mowbray says they will continue to play nice football, but as Arsenal have found out, pretty stuff doesnt win stuff and clearly WBA do not have the quality of players Arsenal do, they'll struggle. Stoke = Derby County Hull/Watford/Bristol C/Crystal Palace = No strength or depth there whatsoever. Cannot say I am a Megson fan - massive dilemma caused by wanting to support the team, but grudge supporting him and Gartside. Need a good clear out - Boro are after JSL, so I'd sell him, woeful. Guthrie not suited to the Bolton stylee, Nolan....well, dont rate him, but many people do, he'll be here until the day they take him out in a wooden box. Make Cahill captain for me. Need a decent striker. One final thing - James from LBHG says "hello" to everyone...I spoke to him the other day and he is sorry the website had to be shut down, basically it seems like his family were starting to get some problems because of the campaign and that is why he had to wind it up at such short notice.[/quote] That stinks James' family getting problems - what from the club? Fans? Or can you not say? Thought it was all a bit dodgy last minute LBHG shutdown. Whoevers giving them the problems are w*nkers
IWillShareTheTruth wrote:
On the basis the status quo remains, next season even the idiot Megson cannot be so bad as to get us relegateed. West Brom will struggle, Mowbray says they will continue to play nice football, but as Arsenal have found out, pretty stuff doesnt win stuff and clearly WBA do not have the quality of players Arsenal do, they'll struggle. Stoke = Derby County Hull/Watford/Bristol C/Crystal Palace = No strength or depth there whatsoever. Cannot say I am a Megson fan - massive dilemma caused by wanting to support the team, but grudge supporting him and Gartside. Need a good clear out - Boro are after JSL, so I'd sell him, woeful. Guthrie not suited to the Bolton stylee, Nolan....well, dont rate him, but many people do, he'll be here until the day they take him out in a wooden box. Make Cahill captain for me. Need a decent striker. One final thing - James from LBHG says "hello" to everyone...I spoke to him the other day and he is sorry the website had to be shut down, basically it seems like his family were starting to get some problems because of the campaign and that is why he had to wind it up at such short notice.
That stinks James' family getting problems - what from the club? Fans? Or can you not say? Thought it was all a bit dodgy last minute LBHG shutdown. Whoevers giving them the problems are w*nkers
Posted by: il duce, bolton on 11:43am Mon 5 May 08
the guy has done his job by keeping us in the premier league. all he knows is the bottom of the prem so hes not going to take us forward and needs to go now. theres no point having more seasons like this. we need to press on up the league, and use the extra money to give us more of a chance in the cup comps
the guy has done his job by keeping us in the premier league. all he knows is the bottom of the prem so hes not going to take us forward and needs to go now. theres no point having more seasons like this. we need to press on up the league, and use the extra money to give us more of a chance in the cup comps
Posted by: mike, windermere on 11:57am Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]Julie Moores[/bold] wrote:
Nobody at the club comes out with much credit:- Gartside and Board- rushed, cheap option appointments, insulted loyal fans, lied to us all about Anelka sale and non existent £7mill striker bids. Megson- Did his best to throw UEFA ties, delighted to lose in Lisbon, only Manager I know to lose twice in a month against 10 men, repeatedly played negative sides, poor use of subs, continued with his favourites over better quality players, makes a complete idiot of himself on the line. So lucky to find 3 worse teams than us. Players- deserve no praise for scraping through in the end. Who can forget desperate shows against Rovers ( twice ) Liverpool ( twice ) City, Fulham, United away, Sunderland away, Birmingham and Derby away, Everton, Wigan and Arsenal debacles. In most of those matches the players never turned up until we had gifted early leads, others due to a lack of fitness we gave away late goals. I certainly dont trust Megson to improve anything next season and we will see pretty much more of the same. Reserve cup sides, boring, negative Prem teams. I bet he's already casting envious eyes at the released lists from Leicester, Scunthorpe and Mansfield. Soon we will see the return of the invisible Chairman blasting the non- believers, talking of £30 mill transfer funds to coincide with season ticket sales. The club stinks from top to bottom. Incompetant leadership off the field, lazy, overpaid players who did nothing to raise their game until almost too late. I hope the whole lot are ashamed of their performances this season.[/quote] A little harsh on Mr Megson who has done exactly what he was brought in to do .
Julie Moores wrote:
Nobody at the club comes out with much credit:- Gartside and Board- rushed, cheap option appointments, insulted loyal fans, lied to us all about Anelka sale and non existent £7mill striker bids. Megson- Did his best to throw UEFA ties, delighted to lose in Lisbon, only Manager I know to lose twice in a month against 10 men, repeatedly played negative sides, poor use of subs, continued with his favourites over better quality players, makes a complete idiot of himself on the line. So lucky to find 3 worse teams than us. Players- deserve no praise for scraping through in the end. Who can forget desperate shows against Rovers ( twice ) Liverpool ( twice ) City, Fulham, United away, Sunderland away, Birmingham and Derby away, Everton, Wigan and Arsenal debacles. In most of those matches the players never turned up until we had gifted early leads, others due to a lack of fitness we gave away late goals. I certainly dont trust Megson to improve anything next season and we will see pretty much more of the same. Reserve cup sides, boring, negative Prem teams. I bet he's already casting envious eyes at the released lists from Leicester, Scunthorpe and Mansfield. Soon we will see the return of the invisible Chairman blasting the non- believers, talking of £30 mill transfer funds to coincide with season ticket sales. The club stinks from top to bottom. Incompetant leadership off the field, lazy, overpaid players who did nothing to raise their game until almost too late. I hope the whole lot are ashamed of their performances this season.
A little harsh on Mr Megson who has done exactly what he was brought in to do .
Posted by: matty_c, Bolton on 12:09pm Mon 5 May 08
megson cant you just keep you mouth shut your saying you arent blowing smoke up your backside but you clearly are the players were the ones who got us out of this not you, if you recall your decision to play a 2nd string in lisbon almost cost us our league status aswell
megson cant you just keep you mouth shut your saying you arent blowing smoke up your backside but you clearly are the players were the ones who got us out of this not you, if you recall your decision to play a 2nd string in lisbon almost cost us our league status aswell
Posted by: mike, windermere on 12:19pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]matty_c[/bold] wrote:
megson cant you just keep you mouth shut your saying you arent blowing smoke up your backside but you clearly are the players were the ones who got us out of this not you, if you recall your decision to play a 2nd string in lisbon almost cost us our league status aswell [/quote] Well, I think he deserves a medal, for saving our club.
matty_c wrote:
megson cant you just keep you mouth shut your saying you arent blowing smoke up your backside but you clearly are the players were the ones who got us out of this not you, if you recall your decision to play a 2nd string in lisbon almost cost us our league status aswell
Well, I think he deserves a medal, for saving our club.
Posted by: Julie Moores, Bolton on 12:21pm Mon 5 May 08
I am so stupid. I didnt realies till now that Mr Megson had been brought in to :-
Make us a laughing stock
Confirm this club has no ambition beyond 17th in Prem league
Pick teams that will guarantee first round cup exits.
Thanks for pointing this out.
I am so stupid. I didnt realies till now that Mr Megson had been brought in to :-
Make us a laughing stock
Confirm this club has no ambition beyond 17th in Prem league
Pick teams that will guarantee first round cup exits.
Why was megsons job to keep us up?
Ramos took over at spurs not long after megson did at bolton so was his job discription to keep spurs up?
And before anybody starts saying how much better spurs are than us they only finished 4pts and 2 places above us last year and this year are 10 points in front and have won a cup.
Why was megsons job to keep us up?
Ramos took over at spurs not long after megson did at bolton so was his job discription to keep spurs up?
And before anybody starts saying how much better spurs are than us they only finished 4pts and 2 places above us last year and this year are 10 points in front and have won a cup.
Posted by: mike, windermere on 12:31pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]Julie Moores[/bold] wrote:
I am so stupid. I didnt realies till now that Mr Megson had been brought in to :- Make us a laughing stock Confirm this club has no ambition beyond 17th in Prem league Pick teams that will guarantee first round cup exits. Thanks for pointing this out.[/quote] 1.I am happy now
2.From where he started (bottom, below Derby!)
the mans a genius
3.There was no room for cups this year
I hope this answers all your points
Julie Moores wrote:
I am so stupid. I didnt realies till now that Mr Megson had been brought in to :- Make us a laughing stock Confirm this club has no ambition beyond 17th in Prem league Pick teams that will guarantee first round cup exits. Thanks for pointing this out.
1.I am happy now
2.From where he started (bottom, below Derby!)
the mans a genius
3.There was no room for cups this year
I hope this answers all your points
[quote][bold]mike[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Julie Moores[/bold] wrote: I am so stupid. I didnt realies till now that Mr Megson had been brought in to :- Make us a laughing stock Confirm this club has no ambition beyond 17th in Prem league Pick teams that will guarantee first round cup exits. Thanks for pointing this out.[/quote] 1.I am happy now 2.From where he started (bottom, below Derby!) the mans a genius 3.There was no room for cups this year I hope this answers all your points[/quote] 1.happy to be bottom of the table fighting to survive every year till megsons gone.
2.1pt behind derby 2pts behind spurs with 27 games to go.
3.no room for cups???
tell that to spurs.
Happy we maybe safe
Not happy if things stay the same.
mike wrote:
Julie Moores wrote: I am so stupid. I didnt realies till now that Mr Megson had been brought in to :- Make us a laughing stock Confirm this club has no ambition beyond 17th in Prem league Pick teams that will guarantee first round cup exits. Thanks for pointing this out.
1.I am happy now 2.From where he started (bottom, below Derby!) the mans a genius 3.There was no room for cups this year I hope this answers all your points
1.happy to be bottom of the table fighting to survive every year till megsons gone.
2.1pt behind derby 2pts behind spurs with 27 games to go.
3.no room for cups???
tell that to spurs.
Happy we maybe safe
Not happy if things stay the same.
Get rid of this clown....if any believes that he is responsible for this escape, you are deluding yourself. There has been no tactical change in these last 4 matches, the only difference is the players have suddenly realised they needed to battle for everything. Megson staying will only guarantee the same poor football, and the same struggle....BEN why doesn't someone there do some investigation about these takeover rumours...it is what good reporters would be doing
Get rid of this clown....if any believes that he is responsible for this escape, you are deluding yourself. There has been no tactical change in these last 4 matches, the only difference is the players have suddenly realised they needed to battle for everything. Megson staying will only guarantee the same poor football, and the same struggle....BEN why doesn't someone there do some investigation about these takeover rumours...it is what good reporters would be doing
Posted by: mike, windermere on 12:57pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]MICK[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]mike[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Julie Moores[/bold] wrote: I am so stupid. I didnt realies till now that Mr Megson had been brought in to :- Make us a laughing stock Confirm this club has no ambition beyond 17th in Prem league Pick teams that will guarantee first round cup exits. Thanks for pointing this out.[/quote] 1.I am happy now 2.From where he started (bottom, below Derby!) the mans a genius 3.There was no room for cups this year I hope this answers all your points[/quote] 1.happy to be bottom of the table fighting to survive every year till megsons gone. 2.1pt behind derby 2pts behind spurs with 27 games to go. 3.no room for cups??? tell that to spurs. Happy we maybe safe Not happy if things stay the same. [/quote] I will agree with your last line.
MICK wrote:
mike wrote:
Julie Moores wrote: I am so stupid. I didnt realies till now that Mr Megson had been brought in to :- Make us a laughing stock Confirm this club has no ambition beyond 17th in Prem league Pick teams that will guarantee first round cup exits. Thanks for pointing this out.
1.I am happy now 2.From where he started (bottom, below Derby!) the mans a genius 3.There was no room for cups this year I hope this answers all your points
1.happy to be bottom of the table fighting to survive every year till megsons gone. 2.1pt behind derby 2pts behind spurs with 27 games to go. 3.no room for cups??? tell that to spurs. Happy we maybe safe Not happy if things stay the same.
Posted by: Bolton Blogger, Bolt on 12:59pm Mon 5 May 08
People,
As I about to be banned from this website due to spamming it a few weeks ago because I was sick to death of being bullied whilst the paper took NO ACTION here goes.
I have never liked Megson, he is completely the wrong person for the job - very negative etc...
Gartside - again I have NEVER liked before during and after Allardyce. The sooner this joker goes the better.
To the playing lads - good luck for the future and may the Whites be with you!!!
TO all the people on here - good luck for the future, I will still read your comments, but unfortunately will not be able to debate any further - such as shame. (esp to the likes of Julie, Breezblock, Munich, Il Duce, King Cain)
People,
As I about to be banned from this website due to spamming it a few weeks ago because I was sick to death of being bullied whilst the paper took NO ACTION here goes.
I have never liked Megson, he is completely the wrong person for the job - very negative etc...
Gartside - again I have NEVER liked before during and after Allardyce. The sooner this joker goes the better.
To the playing lads - good luck for the future and may the Whites be with you!!!
TO all the people on here - good luck for the future, I will still read your comments, but unfortunately will not be able to debate any further - such as shame. (esp to the likes of Julie, Breezblock, Munich, Il Duce, King Cain)
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Posted by: Pedro, Bolton on 9:07am
Just a couple of comments because I do not want to rain on the parade. Joanna - best post on here for a long while (on the "we are staying up thread")and totally echoes my thoughts the morning after. You and Julie for the board! Looking forward to reading your report on the Chelsea game.
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Thanks, Pedro. To preserve my anonymity, I've given my name as "John" to The Bolton News, so the article will appear under that name. Rather than a detailed report of the game, it will be more of an overall comment on the season and the way forward, as it seems to me.
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Posted by: Pedro, Bolton on 9:07am
Just a couple of comments because I do not want to rain on the parade. Joanna - best post on here for a long while (on the "we are staying up thread")and totally echoes my thoughts the morning after. You and Julie for the board! Looking forward to reading your report on the Chelsea game.
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Thanks, Pedro. To preserve my anonymity, I've given my name as "John" to The Bolton News, so the article will appear under that name. Rather than a detailed report of the game, it will be more of an overall comment on the season and the way forward, as it seems to me.
Posted by: *hitonutd, MANCHESTER on 1:54pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]mike[/bold] wrote:
Will all the Manchester supporters ( or hangers on )leave this site for the true BOLTON WANDERERS supporters.[/quote] You complete t0ssp0t.I can say what I like about my TEAM and will not listen to some inbred cumbrian who prefers sheep to women.
You say your a true Bolton fan, yeah right! Didn't see you running with the lifeliners in 1982 when the club was close to going bust? True fan my @rse.
Postal addresses mean nothing when many fans are connected to the club and town through relatives and family histories.
Say something construction or shut up you sheepsh@gging kn0b.
ps remind me please what part of Bolton is windermere near!!!!!!!
mike wrote:
Will all the Manchester supporters ( or hangers on )leave this site for the true BOLTON WANDERERS supporters.
You complete t0ssp0t.I can say what I like about my TEAM and will not listen to some inbred cumbrian who prefers sheep to women.
You say your a true Bolton fan, yeah right! Didn't see you running with the lifeliners in 1982 when the club was close to going bust? True fan my @rse.
Postal addresses mean nothing when many fans are connected to the club and town through relatives and family histories.
Say something construction or shut up you sheepsh@gging kn0b.
ps remind me please what part of Bolton is windermere near!!!!!!!
Posted by: Julie Moores, Bolton on 2:25pm Mon 5 May 08
Very funny hitonutd, that made me laugh. The point is right though. How can a Cumbrian inbred tell any of us who can and who can't support the club.
That loser cant be for real, just a wind up merchant.
Very funny hitonutd, that made me laugh. The point is right though. How can a Cumbrian inbred tell any of us who can and who can't support the club.
That loser cant be for real, just a wind up merchant.
Posted by: hatemanu, bolton on 2:32pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]Bolton Blogger[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]hatemanu[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]bibendum[/bold] wrote: hatemanu, make your mind up mate, "the style of play at the moment is awful" you said and you're absolutely right. Wake up and realise we stayed up in spite of this character not because of him and next season will be no better if he's still here except all our better players will be gone. He has not done well, the players and supporters have done well, not Megson. As for good signings, Cahill I'll accept but the other two are journeymen and we paid over the odds for both imho. Chuck Rasiak (on loan agreed) and Cohen in too and 1 out of 5 is good is it? Wake up and face facts. [/quote] Steinson in dutch team of season for two years running . Matty taylor who as created three goals in are last four games . Journeymen ? Gus hiddink stated steinson is one of the best right backs in europe . Talyor needs a good pre season and get match fit and he will show is true qualitys. who would you bring in then ? If megson was sacked tomoz i would not be arsed . Still dont forgive him for sporting away but he as done a job for us by keeping us up . What we cant do is get a manager in and he proves to be as good as little sam . If megson goes , get a good manager in but for me big sam is not the man . [/quote] Hold up - Steinsson came from Heerenveen and not the Dutch champion for 4 years on the trot - PSV! [bold]Megson Out Gartside Out Curtis Out[/bold] And before anyome complain about that - please re-read my posts (both as Bolton Blogger and Amosc99) in which I actually state that the team has been on free-fall for almost 2 years and not 18 months!!!!![/quote] He came from az , he as been voted best rightback in the league for two season .
Bolton Blogger wrote:
hatemanu wrote:
bibendum wrote: hatemanu, make your mind up mate, "the style of play at the moment is awful" you said and you're absolutely right. Wake up and realise we stayed up in spite of this character not because of him and next season will be no better if he's still here except all our better players will be gone. He has not done well, the players and supporters have done well, not Megson. As for good signings, Cahill I'll accept but the other two are journeymen and we paid over the odds for both imho. Chuck Rasiak (on loan agreed) and Cohen in too and 1 out of 5 is good is it? Wake up and face facts.
Steinson in dutch team of season for two years running . Matty taylor who as created three goals in are last four games . Journeymen ? Gus hiddink stated steinson is one of the best right backs in europe . Talyor needs a good pre season and get match fit and he will show is true qualitys. who would you bring in then ? If megson was sacked tomoz i would not be arsed . Still dont forgive him for sporting away but he as done a job for us by keeping us up . What we cant do is get a manager in and he proves to be as good as little sam . If megson goes , get a good manager in but for me big sam is not the man .
Hold up - Steinsson came from Heerenveen and not the Dutch champion for 4 years on the trot - PSV! Megson Out Gartside Out Curtis Out And before anyome complain about that - please re-read my posts (both as Bolton Blogger and Amosc99) in which I actually state that the team has been on free-fall for almost 2 years and not 18 months!!!!!
He came from az , he as been voted best rightback in the league for two season .
Posted by: trotters1964, preston on 2:37pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]mike[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Julie Moores[/bold] wrote: I am so stupid. I didnt realies till now that Mr Megson had been brought in to :- Make us a laughing stock Confirm this club has no ambition beyond 17th in Prem league Pick teams that will guarantee first round cup exits. Thanks for pointing this out.[/quote] 1.I am happy now 2.From where he started (bottom, below Derby!) the mans a genius 3.There was no room for cups this year I hope this answers all your points[/quote] true fan mike you deserve ridicule and thats what you get by your continual baiting of bolton fans on here, what makes you a true fan mike, enlighten us.
1. agree
2. genius (einstein was a genius)
3. no room for cups!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not since 58! (proper cups)
yet another pro megson post that beggars belief, his remit as i recall was to get into the top ten, sammy lees was to be better that of bsa, gradually you and the club are happy to lower the pole, what next, challenging in the championship, lets avoid relegation to division 1,2, conference. YOU AND THE CLUB HAVE A LOSERS MENTALITY, thats why dioufys leaving and annelka left, crowds went down and the players saw the board lacked ambition, dioufy and annelka thought we could challenge for champions league football.
this id not success mike, i'm very happy, i'm prepared to give him 10 matches next season the same as lsl and i am 99% against megson because i know all about his previous club records and man management style, remember out of work for 18 months and setting up the cones for tony pullis at stoke before his leicester appointment. the fans want better than this we dont want to be LOSERS. my definition of true fans is those that put their bums on seats week in week out, not those 5000 that have already left, it can only be changed by being their, look at sporting, athletic and sunderland atmospheres that inspired all. your definition mike, lick ars# and accept 2nd best.
mike wrote:
Julie Moores wrote: I am so stupid. I didnt realies till now that Mr Megson had been brought in to :- Make us a laughing stock Confirm this club has no ambition beyond 17th in Prem league Pick teams that will guarantee first round cup exits. Thanks for pointing this out.
1.I am happy now 2.From where he started (bottom, below Derby!) the mans a genius 3.There was no room for cups this year I hope this answers all your points
true fan mike you deserve ridicule and thats what you get by your continual baiting of bolton fans on here, what makes you a true fan mike, enlighten us.
1. agree
2. genius (einstein was a genius)
3. no room for cups!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not since 58! (proper cups)
yet another pro megson post that beggars belief, his remit as i recall was to get into the top ten, sammy lees was to be better that of bsa, gradually you and the club are happy to lower the pole, what next, challenging in the championship, lets avoid relegation to division 1,2, conference. YOU AND THE CLUB HAVE A LOSERS MENTALITY, thats why dioufys leaving and annelka left, crowds went down and the players saw the board lacked ambition, dioufy and annelka thought we could challenge for champions league football.
this id not success mike, i'm very happy, i'm prepared to give him 10 matches next season the same as lsl and i am 99% against megson because i know all about his previous club records and man management style, remember out of work for 18 months and setting up the cones for tony pullis at stoke before his leicester appointment. the fans want better than this we dont want to be LOSERS. my definition of true fans is those that put their bums on seats week in week out, not those 5000 that have already left, it can only be changed by being their, look at sporting, athletic and sunderland atmospheres that inspired all. your definition mike, lick ars# and accept 2nd best.
Posted by: Jon W, westhoughton on 2:40pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]steve[/bold] wrote:
We are not idots Oh really. Then you'll realise Bolton are punching way above their weight,we have a very poor fan base paying much less in season ticket fees than the vast majority of other Premiership clubs.The fan base is dwindling because many supporters bought season tickets on the back of the new Reebok, never having had one before and now the novelty has worn off. Sam Allardyce will never be replaced he was an exceptional Manager,Gary Megson will do well to keep us in the premier league and it will be almost impossible for a club of Boltons stature to attract someone with a better record.Anyone who thinks differently I'd be delighted to hear suggestions for someone with a better track record who'd consider coming to Bolton. Jewell,Warnock, Souness,Coppell, Coleman,Mcleish,Bruc e the list is endless do they have better records than Megson? Dream on.[/quote] Most people on here are sick of Megson not because of poor results (although they dont help) but because of everything he represents. If you are not clear about this have a look at the first post above from Bibendum, it just about sums it up. There is so much more to being a football club manager than merely finishing 4th bottom every season.
steve wrote:
We are not idots Oh really. Then you'll realise Bolton are punching way above their weight,we have a very poor fan base paying much less in season ticket fees than the vast majority of other Premiership clubs.The fan base is dwindling because many supporters bought season tickets on the back of the new Reebok, never having had one before and now the novelty has worn off. Sam Allardyce will never be replaced he was an exceptional Manager,Gary Megson will do well to keep us in the premier league and it will be almost impossible for a club of Boltons stature to attract someone with a better record.Anyone who thinks differently I'd be delighted to hear suggestions for someone with a better track record who'd consider coming to Bolton. Jewell,Warnock, Souness,Coppell, Coleman,Mcleish,Bruc e the list is endless do they have better records than Megson? Dream on.
Most people on here are sick of Megson not because of poor results (although they dont help) but be
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