MATCHDAY: Plymouth Argyle 2 Bury 1

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  • Plymouth Argyle 1 (Lavery 13, Reid 78)
  • Bury 1 (Sedgwick 49)

4:54pm

Plymouth Argyle 2 Bury 1

4:53pm

Five mins of added time

4:47pm

88 - SUB - Bencherif on for Lavery

4:46pm

87 - YELLOW - Lavery 

4:38pm

78 - GOAL - PLYMOUTH 2 Bury 1 - Reuben Reid slots home from six yards after getting on the end of a low cross from Lewis Alessandra.

79 - Sub - Boco on for Reid

4:34pm

75 – Lavery places the ball past Jensen but is flagged for offside.

4:32pm

Looks like Jones is going to be a passenger for the remainder of the match. Harrad has gone out wide to cover his position on the right of midfield, moments after coming on as an extra attacker.

4:31pm

72 - Craig Jones limps off with what looks like a hernia problem. He is going to carry on as Bury have no subs left.

4:27pm

68 - YELLOW - Danny Mayor (foul)

4:25pm

67 - SUB - Harrad on for Procter.

4:24pm

65 - Forrester works himself a shooting chance in the box but his effort is well held by McCormick.

4:21pm

62 - End to end stuff as Jones ball into the Plymouth box is cut out before Lavery takes it to the byline and wins a corner at the opposite end.

63 - SUB - Forrester on for Nardiello.

4:16pm

Attendance: 6,206 (160 visiting)

4:08pm

48 - Nardiello hits the post with a low strike after cutting inside the box.

49 - GOAL - Plymouth 1 BURY 1 - Chris Sedgwick chips the ball into the top corner from 25 yards after spotting Luke McCormick off his line. Sublime effort.

4:05pm

Second half is under way...

3:47pm

Plymouth Argyle 1 Bury 0

3:46pm

45 - Howell does well to get near the byline but puts his cross behind.

One minute of added time.

3:41pm

39 - Mayor's shot is blocked by the Plymouth keeper when he had time to place it after breaking into the box. The midfielder was put through after a quick exchange of passes between Procter and Sedgwick.

3:38pm

37 - Nardiello takes a snap shot at goal from 25 yards ut but sends it high and wide.

3:34pm

33 - SUB - Navas on for Beeley (hamstring)

3:33pm

32 - Edjenguele lucky not to concede a penalty after a barge on Reid from behind.

3:32pm

29 - Alessandra seized on a bad ball by Nathan Cameron out of defence and ran with it to the byline before drilling a cross onto the head of Lavery, who put his effort wide at the back post. It came at him quick but the Plymouth scorer should have made it two.

31 - Mayor fails to turn a Jones centre on target at the near post.

3:27pm

The centre-back is then fouled himself as the free-kick is flung into the Bury box. 

3:26pm

Edjenguele concedes a silly foul midway inside the Bury half.

3:23pm

22 - Gurrieri skies a shot from outside the box.

3:16pm

15 - Neal Trotman sticks a leg out to block Andy Procter's low volley from just outside the box, which was heading into the bottom corner.

3:11pm

10 - GOAL - PLYMOUTH 1 Bury 0 - Chaolan Lavery places a low shot past Brian Jensen at the near post after out-pacing and out-foxing William Edjenguele to get into the box following his run down the left wing. 

3:10pm

9 - Craig Jones just fails to clip a cross past the Plymouth keeper to Nardiello waiting at the back post.

3:09pm

7 - Jensen blocks an Alessandra effort from a tight angle.

8 - The keeper is called upon again to palm behind a Lavery header from the resulting corner.

3:05pm

5 - Procter drags a shot wide after good work on the left from Howell.

3:03pm

Good possession to begin with as Bury line-up 4-2-3-1 as expected. Jones sends an early cross long with his left foot.

3:01pm

Plymouth get the match under way here at Home Park

2:57pm

Team news

David Flitcroft looks to have reverted to one up front away from home, with central midfielder Andy Procter coming in for striker Shaun Harrad.

Danny Mayor also replaces the injured Tom Soares on the left of midfielder.

Expect Procter and midfield partner Tommy Miller to hold back, with Mayor on the left, Craig Jones behind loan frontman Danny Nardiello and Chris Sedgwick on the right.

On the bench, Reece Charles-Cook replaces Rob Lainton and Gareth Roberts returns to the first-team picture as the only defensive cover. 

2:52pm

RIP David Coleman - a legendary commentator and broadcaster who will be sadly missed.

2:37pm

Full line-ups

PLYMOUTH: McCormick; Blanchard, Trotman, Nelson,  Berry; Alessandra, Blizzard, Young, Gurrieri; Reid, Lavery.

Subs: Cole, Blackman, Branston, Boco, Wotton, Bencherif, Reckord.

BURY: Jensen; Beeley, Cameron, Edjenguele, Howell; Miller, Procter; Sedgwick, Jones, Mayor; Nardiello.

Subs: Roberts, Forrester, Grimes, Harrad, Navas, Charles-Cook, Walker.

Referee: Michael Bull.

 

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2:56pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Eileenshakers says...

That looks like a very defensive line up and perhaps the plan is not to get beat.

Maybe Procter might have to settle for being in the side when we are away from home because I don't see the Shakers fans buying in to him being part of our long term plans do you? not with 2 home games coming up before the Pools game.

Poor old Danny having to plough a lonely fallow good luck and my prediction is 3-0 today.
That looks like a very defensive line up and perhaps the plan is not to get beat. Maybe Procter might have to settle for being in the side when we are away from home because I don't see the Shakers fans buying in to him being part of our long term plans do you? not with 2 home games coming up before the Pools game. Poor old Danny having to plough a lonely fallow good luck and my prediction is 3-0 today. Eileenshakers

3:25pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Lisasmit says...

3 - 0... .for Plymouth you mean?
3 - 0... .for Plymouth you mean? Lisasmit

3:59pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Eileenshakers says...

Exactly Lisasmit i didn't say for the shakers did i?.

Dear me what a poor first half showing from the lamentable Big Edge & Calamity Cameron.

When a good manager takes over a side that is well drilled he doesn't need to change much to gain consistant results however when a good manager comes in to club where the players have a losing mentality he is going to have his work cut out.

This is a long term project and it's safe to say that most of these players if not all of them that are in the side today won't be part of our clubs long term future.

The lack of cover defensively on the pitch and in the squad is quite frightening.

Remember last week we nearly lost to the poorest team in the league and they are losing 2-0 at home to Wycombe so what does that say about our team?.
Exactly Lisasmit i didn't say for the shakers did i?. Dear me what a poor first half showing from the lamentable Big Edge & Calamity Cameron. When a good manager takes over a side that is well drilled he doesn't need to change much to gain consistant results however when a good manager comes in to club where the players have a losing mentality he is going to have his work cut out. This is a long term project and it's safe to say that most of these players if not all of them that are in the side today won't be part of our clubs long term future. The lack of cover defensively on the pitch and in the squad is quite frightening. Remember last week we nearly lost to the poorest team in the league and they are losing 2-0 at home to Wycombe so what does that say about our team?. Eileenshakers

5:00pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Lisasmit says...

Agreed Eileen... Unless we get in 2 or3 good players in January, it may be touch and go if we actually stay in this league.

This is mainly Blackwell to blame. Sidelining and getting rid of ok players to replace them with lazy good for nothings who are not fit to wear the shirt.
Agreed Eileen... Unless we get in 2 or3 good players in January, it may be touch and go if we actually stay in this league. This is mainly Blackwell to blame. Sidelining and getting rid of ok players to replace them with lazy good for nothings who are not fit to wear the shirt. Lisasmit

5:13pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Lisasmit says...

As a sign we ar serious, can we bring Carson back from Portsmouth? After all, he is our player.... We don't need to pay a fee to sign him????

Any thoughts?
As a sign we ar serious, can we bring Carson back from Portsmouth? After all, he is our player.... We don't need to pay a fee to sign him???? Any thoughts? Lisasmit

5:35pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Eileenshakers says...

It doesn't matter how good a goalkeeper is if his back four fail to do their jobs properley Lisasmit.

I think Trevor is having a tough time at Pompey right now and has voiced his concerns on how bad their players have been performing indicating a lack of fight.

Today results went against us and we lost two players to injury and for the first time since i have been a supporter of the club we are in the bottom two.

This is a massive wake up call to this lamentable squad of players to dig deep for each other,the club,fans and manager..

I'm sure that if David had come in earlier in the season after the sacking of Blackwell we would not be in this position.

We have two home games now and we have to hope that Jonah is not a long term injury and that David has someone in mind to fill the captaincy role.

Scunny will be a tough game and challenging for Chris Brass since he will be marking his return to Bury fc as assistant against his former club.

Just had a feeling that perhaps the gaffer might have made an error with using all of his subs before the unfortunate Jonah went off but that's life.

The next two home games will be pivotol to how the rest of the season pans out.If we only take a point then it's going to be a massive uphill struggle.

Rather ironic that Torquay United should replace us in the drop zone after we acquired the services of their assistant don't you think?.

Do you think David made a slight error in judgement when he was quoted as saying that he didn't want a fast start from his team or rollercoaster ride of erratic results instead he wants to find out about his players.

Well they will need to be fast out of the blocks against Scunny otherwise i fear another defeat on the cards.
It doesn't matter how good a goalkeeper is if his back four fail to do their jobs properley Lisasmit. I think Trevor is having a tough time at Pompey right now and has voiced his concerns on how bad their players have been performing indicating a lack of fight. Today results went against us and we lost two players to injury and for the first time since i have been a supporter of the club we are in the bottom two. This is a massive wake up call to this lamentable squad of players to dig deep for each other,the club,fans and manager.. I'm sure that if David had come in earlier in the season after the sacking of Blackwell we would not be in this position. We have two home games now and we have to hope that Jonah is not a long term injury and that David has someone in mind to fill the captaincy role. Scunny will be a tough game and challenging for Chris Brass since he will be marking his return to Bury fc as assistant against his former club. Just had a feeling that perhaps the gaffer might have made an error with using all of his subs before the unfortunate Jonah went off but that's life. The next two home games will be pivotol to how the rest of the season pans out.If we only take a point then it's going to be a massive uphill struggle. Rather ironic that Torquay United should replace us in the drop zone after we acquired the services of their assistant don't you think?. Do you think David made a slight error in judgement when he was quoted as saying that he didn't want a fast start from his team or rollercoaster ride of erratic results instead he wants to find out about his players. Well they will need to be fast out of the blocks against Scunny otherwise i fear another defeat on the cards. Eileenshakers

6:15pm Sat 21 Dec 13

tomroy says...

we have,nt a hope in hell of surviving in this division ,we don't need three or four players we need eleven. due to the irresponsibility of the previous
management.
we have,nt a hope in hell of surviving in this division ,we don't need three or four players we need eleven. due to the irresponsibility of the previous management. tomroy

6:25pm Sat 21 Dec 13

easylife44 says...

tomroy wrote:
we have,nt a hope in hell of surviving in this division ,we don't need three or four players we need eleven. due to the irresponsibility of the previous
management.
Yes, this is a very hard fact. But I do believe that Flits is the hard nose type who will re-build.
If you look at the table, there are about 7 teams sepearted by 3 points.

Roll on January.
[quote][p][bold]tomroy[/bold] wrote: we have,nt a hope in hell of surviving in this division ,we don't need three or four players we need eleven. due to the irresponsibility of the previous management.[/p][/quote]Yes, this is a very hard fact. But I do believe that Flits is the hard nose type who will re-build. If you look at the table, there are about 7 teams sepearted by 3 points. Roll on January. easylife44

11:40pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Lolz08 says...

Tinpot club, tinpot fans.
Tinpot club, tinpot fans. Lolz08

1:11pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Eileenshakers says...

Lolz08 wrote:
Tinpot club, tinpot fans.
You again haunting this site like a bad stench go linger somewhere else preferably in a toilet .
[quote][p][bold]Lolz08[/bold] wrote: Tinpot club, tinpot fans.[/p][/quote]You again haunting this site like a bad stench go linger somewhere else preferably in a toilet . Eileenshakers

6:09pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Lisasmit says...

Eileen... Remember. Tinpot has plenty of experience of what a tin pot club is really like. Jealousy of our Clubs history will get him nowhere...
Eileen... Remember. Tinpot has plenty of experience of what a tin pot club is really like. Jealousy of our Clubs history will get him nowhere... Lisasmit

6:27pm Sun 22 Dec 13

easylife44 says...

What I like about Flits---- HONESTY... Could get worse before it get's better. Not that we want to hear, but this is reality.

What about the statement "the last two years could be considered Negligent". This lad has his finger on the pulse very quickly.

We will survive, mid table by the end of the year at best.

Oh by the way "tinpot".... still having a tinpot life in your tinpot town? What a shame tinpot....just a tinpot waster.
What I like about Flits---- HONESTY... Could get worse before it get's better. Not that we want to hear, but this is reality. What about the statement "the last two years could be considered Negligent". This lad has his finger on the pulse very quickly. We will survive, mid table by the end of the year at best. Oh by the way "tinpot".... still having a tinpot life in your tinpot town? What a shame tinpot....just a tinpot waster. easylife44

7:25am Mon 23 Dec 13

shakencity says...

I'd like to know how much worse it's gonna get.....much more and we'll be too far behind.

Looking at the goals we conceded at Plymouth, January can't come soon enough. A complete overall of our back line is needed. The only one of late that's been playing ok has been Beeley, yet where was he for the 1st goal....ambling back after he gave the ball away, as usual. Get rid of all 4 for me, they're not fast enough, fit enough but more importantly good enough.
I'd like to know how much worse it's gonna get.....much more and we'll be too far behind. Looking at the goals we conceded at Plymouth, January can't come soon enough. A complete overall of our back line is needed. The only one of late that's been playing ok has been Beeley, yet where was he for the 1st goal....ambling back after he gave the ball away, as usual. Get rid of all 4 for me, they're not fast enough, fit enough but more importantly good enough. shakencity

12:22pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Eileenshakers says...

Nobody can guarentee anything in football or life.I seem to remember a certain Rafael Bernitez at LFC making similar promises "I guarentee we will finish in the top 4 "he said and it didn't happen.

I agree with Shakencity our back 4 are not good enough and need to be replaced.

Some players are giving everything for the cause as in the case of Sedgewick whilst others are just merely making up the numbers and pretending to immitate what a footballer should be doing on a football pitch.

Yes i like Flits honesty but have you noticed his body language and more serious approach to the line of questioning in just under 2 weeks?.
His defenders could learn a thing from the way he has become very defensive in terms of responsing to the line of questioning.

I wish i could share his enthusiasm and general outlook,there is only a certain amount of things a manager can do to prepare his team for a game.

You cannot legislate for the pathetic defenders who are the blight of the team representing our town,club and supporters right now.

I think he is now realising what a difficult job he has accepted in reversing our fortunes.

The real issue at the club is the fact that there is a serious lack of competition for places in defence and no matter how bad the defenders perform they know they cannot be dropped.

This has been a real problem all season,then there are the players who have been left out in the cold who never feature and are not fit enough when or if they might be recalled to the team.

Blackwell must have had a real axe to grind with our club to have made so many bad decisions in the recruitment and the way he utilised his squad.

I also think the Chairman and fellow directors must take responsibility in allowing this baffoon to sign up who he wanted without vetting these players like he the former manager had promised in terms of fitness etc.

My greatest fear however is that David Flitcroft will walk away from this situation if another more suitable offer is made for his services during the early part of 2014.

In a nutshell this crop of players don't have the physical or skill attributes to attain enough performances which will merit enough points in order for us to have any chance of staying up.

The problem is that you cannot rebuild a whole team in mid season so there is only one likely outcome.
Nobody can guarentee anything in football or life.I seem to remember a certain Rafael Bernitez at LFC making similar promises "I guarentee we will finish in the top 4 "he said and it didn't happen. I agree with Shakencity our back 4 are not good enough and need to be replaced. Some players are giving everything for the cause as in the case of Sedgewick whilst others are just merely making up the numbers and pretending to immitate what a footballer should be doing on a football pitch. Yes i like Flits honesty but have you noticed his body language and more serious approach to the line of questioning in just under 2 weeks?. His defenders could learn a thing from the way he has become very defensive in terms of responsing to the line of questioning. I wish i could share his enthusiasm and general outlook,there is only a certain amount of things a manager can do to prepare his team for a game. You cannot legislate for the pathetic defenders who are the blight of the team representing our town,club and supporters right now. I think he is now realising what a difficult job he has accepted in reversing our fortunes. The real issue at the club is the fact that there is a serious lack of competition for places in defence and no matter how bad the defenders perform they know they cannot be dropped. This has been a real problem all season,then there are the players who have been left out in the cold who never feature and are not fit enough when or if they might be recalled to the team. Blackwell must have had a real axe to grind with our club to have made so many bad decisions in the recruitment and the way he utilised his squad. I also think the Chairman and fellow directors must take responsibility in allowing this baffoon to sign up who he wanted without vetting these players like he the former manager had promised in terms of fitness etc. My greatest fear however is that David Flitcroft will walk away from this situation if another more suitable offer is made for his services during the early part of 2014. In a nutshell this crop of players don't have the physical or skill attributes to attain enough performances which will merit enough points in order for us to have any chance of staying up. The problem is that you cannot rebuild a whole team in mid season so there is only one likely outcome. Eileenshakers

2:25pm Mon 23 Dec 13

shakencity says...

I disagree Eileen, 3 or 4 good recruits are needed, with 3 or 4 being shipped out one way or another.....a complete new team imo isn't needed.

I still believe we have some very good players, to which these 3 or 4 new recruits need to be added to. The problem imo has been the bad ones are dragging the good ones down by costing us goals and points.

Hopefully DF will have seen the good and the bad amoungst this lot and do they necessary come January. Here's hoping anyway.
I disagree Eileen, 3 or 4 good recruits are needed, with 3 or 4 being shipped out one way or another.....a complete new team imo isn't needed. I still believe we have some very good players, to which these 3 or 4 new recruits need to be added to. The problem imo has been the bad ones are dragging the good ones down by costing us goals and points. Hopefully DF will have seen the good and the bad amoungst this lot and do they necessary come January. Here's hoping anyway. shakencity

6:43pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Eileenshakers says...

You are entitled to your opinion shakencity let us agree to disagree on the future of our clubs fortunes this season.
You are entitled to your opinion shakencity let us agree to disagree on the future of our clubs fortunes this season. Eileenshakers

7:24pm Mon 23 Dec 13

RONNIEJAWS says...

Everybody expresses the very same feelings i have now and also in many cases what i have been moaning about since KB came in.
YES negligent ownership for nearly 2 years. amazing barker got mid table year 1 so under financed. no back-up plan when he'd had enough penny pinching. waste or where of transfer monies for lowe etc? then the KB wrecking ball! i just feared what he would do to the promo core instead of building on it. constantly slagging off. marginalising players like sweeney. used the finances as an excuse to strengthen his position and get the players cleared out and bring in his own people beholding to the all great KB. leaving us with a 'LEGACY'. i will still again say that a goalie is not the best kind of ex player to make judgements on other players ability or on playing tactics. there are exceptions but not the rule. the best managers are in the mould of who we might have now. a player who always had to learn and graft to keep in the game. they learned as they played. naturally skilled guys never had to do that and thats also why they usually didn't make great managers.
but all the crap of that is somewhat behind us except the squad Flits is left with for now. I cannot believe that now him being the chairman's man chosen, he won't be telling Mr Day quite clearly how bad the squad is, what he and the club needs, or else his investment will be at great risk. I trust that these two are not going to avoid any action that is required to be taken. We aren't dealing with turtles now.
Everybody expresses the very same feelings i have now and also in many cases what i have been moaning about since KB came in. YES negligent ownership for nearly 2 years. amazing barker got mid table year 1 so under financed. no back-up plan when he'd had enough penny pinching. waste or where of transfer monies for lowe etc? then the KB wrecking ball! i just feared what he would do to the promo core instead of building on it. constantly slagging off. marginalising players like sweeney. used the finances as an excuse to strengthen his position and get the players cleared out and bring in his own people beholding to the all great KB. leaving us with a 'LEGACY'. i will still again say that a goalie is not the best kind of ex player to make judgements on other players ability or on playing tactics. there are exceptions but not the rule. the best managers are in the mould of who we might have now. a player who always had to learn and graft to keep in the game. they learned as they played. naturally skilled guys never had to do that and thats also why they usually didn't make great managers. but all the crap of that is somewhat behind us except the squad Flits is left with for now. I cannot believe that now him being the chairman's man chosen, he won't be telling Mr Day quite clearly how bad the squad is, what he and the club needs, or else his investment will be at great risk. I trust that these two are not going to avoid any action that is required to be taken. We aren't dealing with turtles now. RONNIEJAWS

8:38pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Long champ says...

Eileenshakers wrote:
Nobody can guarentee anything in football or life.I seem to remember a certain Rafael Bernitez at LFC making similar promises "I guarentee we will finish in the top 4 "he said and it didn't happen.

I agree with Shakencity our back 4 are not good enough and need to be replaced.

Some players are giving everything for the cause as in the case of Sedgewick whilst others are just merely making up the numbers and pretending to immitate what a footballer should be doing on a football pitch.

Yes i like Flits honesty but have you noticed his body language and more serious approach to the line of questioning in just under 2 weeks?.
His defenders could learn a thing from the way he has become very defensive in terms of responsing to the line of questioning.

I wish i could share his enthusiasm and general outlook,there is only a certain amount of things a manager can do to prepare his team for a game.

You cannot legislate for the pathetic defenders who are the blight of the team representing our town,club and supporters right now.

I think he is now realising what a difficult job he has accepted in reversing our fortunes.

The real issue at the club is the fact that there is a serious lack of competition for places in defence and no matter how bad the defenders perform they know they cannot be dropped.

This has been a real problem all season,then there are the players who have been left out in the cold who never feature and are not fit enough when or if they might be recalled to the team.

Blackwell must have had a real axe to grind with our club to have made so many bad decisions in the recruitment and the way he utilised his squad.

I also think the Chairman and fellow directors must take responsibility in allowing this baffoon to sign up who he wanted without vetting these players like he the former manager had promised in terms of fitness etc.

My greatest fear however is that David Flitcroft will walk away from this situation if another more suitable offer is made for his services during the early part of 2014.

In a nutshell this crop of players don't have the physical or skill attributes to attain enough performances which will merit enough points in order for us to have any chance of staying up.

The problem is that you cannot rebuild a whole team in mid season so there is only one likely outcome.
I also think the Chairman and fellow directors must take responsibility in allowing this baffoon to sign up who he wanted without vetting these players like he the former manager had promised in terms of fitness etc.


This is a point seldom touched on, were the above sleepwalking into allowing KB to say Player X Y Z will do, Out of the 200 or so that had a try out, I really would hate to see what the other 200 odd we're like?.

Finally Filts might be a great man and maybe his memories at Gigg Lane has clouded his judgement of being a romantic hero who in turning not only what we have of this team and the players he will want to bring in, to triumph in this league, How deep are Mr Days pockets to allow him the freedom to do that,

Personally a Manager's results speak for themselves, Where is Filts pervious club?. Barnsley are rooted to the Championship and are odds on to be relegated, Please Please I hope his management skills send two teams into different divisions, only Barnsley will be in League One, Bury will be in Oblivion...

Merry Christmas All..
[quote][p][bold]Eileenshakers[/bold] wrote: Nobody can guarentee anything in football or life.I seem to remember a certain Rafael Bernitez at LFC making similar promises "I guarentee we will finish in the top 4 "he said and it didn't happen. I agree with Shakencity our back 4 are not good enough and need to be replaced. Some players are giving everything for the cause as in the case of Sedgewick whilst others are just merely making up the numbers and pretending to immitate what a footballer should be doing on a football pitch. Yes i like Flits honesty but have you noticed his body language and more serious approach to the line of questioning in just under 2 weeks?. His defenders could learn a thing from the way he has become very defensive in terms of responsing to the line of questioning. I wish i could share his enthusiasm and general outlook,there is only a certain amount of things a manager can do to prepare his team for a game. You cannot legislate for the pathetic defenders who are the blight of the team representing our town,club and supporters right now. I think he is now realising what a difficult job he has accepted in reversing our fortunes. The real issue at the club is the fact that there is a serious lack of competition for places in defence and no matter how bad the defenders perform they know they cannot be dropped. This has been a real problem all season,then there are the players who have been left out in the cold who never feature and are not fit enough when or if they might be recalled to the team. Blackwell must have had a real axe to grind with our club to have made so many bad decisions in the recruitment and the way he utilised his squad. I also think the Chairman and fellow directors must take responsibility in allowing this baffoon to sign up who he wanted without vetting these players like he the former manager had promised in terms of fitness etc. My greatest fear however is that David Flitcroft will walk away from this situation if another more suitable offer is made for his services during the early part of 2014. In a nutshell this crop of players don't have the physical or skill attributes to attain enough performances which will merit enough points in order for us to have any chance of staying up. The problem is that you cannot rebuild a whole team in mid season so there is only one likely outcome.[/p][/quote]I also think the Chairman and fellow directors must take responsibility in allowing this baffoon to sign up who he wanted without vetting these players like he the former manager had promised in terms of fitness etc. This is a point seldom touched on, were the above sleepwalking into allowing KB to say Player X Y Z will do, Out of the 200 or so that had a try out, I really would hate to see what the other 200 odd we're like?. Finally Filts might be a great man and maybe his memories at Gigg Lane has clouded his judgement of being a romantic hero who in turning not only what we have of this team and the players he will want to bring in, to triumph in this league, How deep are Mr Days pockets to allow him the freedom to do that, Personally a Manager's results speak for themselves, Where is Filts pervious club?. Barnsley are rooted to the Championship and are odds on to be relegated, Please Please I hope his management skills send two teams into different divisions, only Barnsley will be in League One, Bury will be in Oblivion... Merry Christmas All.. Long champ

10:45pm Mon 23 Dec 13

easylife44 says...

Long champ wrote:
Eileenshakers wrote:
Nobody can guarentee anything in football or life.I seem to remember a certain Rafael Bernitez at LFC making similar promises "I guarentee we will finish in the top 4 "he said and it didn't happen.

I agree with Shakencity our back 4 are not good enough and need to be replaced.

Some players are giving everything for the cause as in the case of Sedgewick whilst others are just merely making up the numbers and pretending to immitate what a footballer should be doing on a football pitch.

Yes i like Flits honesty but have you noticed his body language and more serious approach to the line of questioning in just under 2 weeks?.
His defenders could learn a thing from the way he has become very defensive in terms of responsing to the line of questioning.

I wish i could share his enthusiasm and general outlook,there is only a certain amount of things a manager can do to prepare his team for a game.

You cannot legislate for the pathetic defenders who are the blight of the team representing our town,club and supporters right now.

I think he is now realising what a difficult job he has accepted in reversing our fortunes.

The real issue at the club is the fact that there is a serious lack of competition for places in defence and no matter how bad the defenders perform they know they cannot be dropped.

This has been a real problem all season,then there are the players who have been left out in the cold who never feature and are not fit enough when or if they might be recalled to the team.

Blackwell must have had a real axe to grind with our club to have made so many bad decisions in the recruitment and the way he utilised his squad.

I also think the Chairman and fellow directors must take responsibility in allowing this baffoon to sign up who he wanted without vetting these players like he the former manager had promised in terms of fitness etc.

My greatest fear however is that David Flitcroft will walk away from this situation if another more suitable offer is made for his services during the early part of 2014.

In a nutshell this crop of players don't have the physical or skill attributes to attain enough performances which will merit enough points in order for us to have any chance of staying up.

The problem is that you cannot rebuild a whole team in mid season so there is only one likely outcome.
I also think the Chairman and fellow directors must take responsibility in allowing this baffoon to sign up who he wanted without vetting these players like he the former manager had promised in terms of fitness etc.


This is a point seldom touched on, were the above sleepwalking into allowing KB to say Player X Y Z will do, Out of the 200 or so that had a try out, I really would hate to see what the other 200 odd we're like?.

Finally Filts might be a great man and maybe his memories at Gigg Lane has clouded his judgement of being a romantic hero who in turning not only what we have of this team and the players he will want to bring in, to triumph in this league, How deep are Mr Days pockets to allow him the freedom to do that,

Personally a Manager's results speak for themselves, Where is Filts pervious club?. Barnsley are rooted to the Championship and are odds on to be relegated, Please Please I hope his management skills send two teams into different divisions, only Barnsley will be in League One, Bury will be in Oblivion...

Merry Christmas All..
We have to deal with reality. Blackwell totally screwed this up with Fenton et al and he brought in these bunch of non performers. Yes, the chairman and board must take some responsibility for the team "we have" as they approved Blackwell's "master disaster". However, you must surely give the board some thumbs up for seeing what Ronnie could do, then moving quickly to get Flits.

You are very correct about the Manager's results, but give him sometime to sort this mess out and bring in a new aggressive set of players who are willing to play, get mucky and make things happen. The defending has been horrific and I am not very confident of our next two or three games until such times as he can bring in the troops.

However, I do back the Manager and the Board and we will get better.

We should be grateful we did not end up with Nobby Solano, Blackburn Rejects and a whole host of other applicants. Barnsley/Flits did not have the money for expansion nor the support of the Board.

He will sort this mess out and as for Barking Dog....well, he is staring down the Relegatin tarp door with Pompey, but I do expect him to turn that around.

Merry Ho Ho Everyone!!
[quote][p][bold]Long champ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eileenshakers[/bold] wrote: Nobody can guarentee anything in football or life.I seem to remember a certain Rafael Bernitez at LFC making similar promises "I guarentee we will finish in the top 4 "he said and it didn't happen. I agree with Shakencity our back 4 are not good enough and need to be replaced. Some players are giving everything for the cause as in the case of Sedgewick whilst others are just merely making up the numbers and pretending to immitate what a footballer should be doing on a football pitch. Yes i like Flits honesty but have you noticed his body language and more serious approach to the line of questioning in just under 2 weeks?. His defenders could learn a thing from the way he has become very defensive in terms of responsing to the line of questioning. I wish i could share his enthusiasm and general outlook,there is only a certain amount of things a manager can do to prepare his team for a game. You cannot legislate for the pathetic defenders who are the blight of the team representing our town,club and supporters right now. I think he is now realising what a difficult job he has accepted in reversing our fortunes. The real issue at the club is the fact that there is a serious lack of competition for places in defence and no matter how bad the defenders perform they know they cannot be dropped. This has been a real problem all season,then there are the players who have been left out in the cold who never feature and are not fit enough when or if they might be recalled to the team. Blackwell must have had a real axe to grind with our club to have made so many bad decisions in the recruitment and the way he utilised his squad. I also think the Chairman and fellow directors must take responsibility in allowing this baffoon to sign up who he wanted without vetting these players like he the former manager had promised in terms of fitness etc. My greatest fear however is that David Flitcroft will walk away from this situation if another more suitable offer is made for his services during the early part of 2014. In a nutshell this crop of players don't have the physical or skill attributes to attain enough performances which will merit enough points in order for us to have any chance of staying up. The problem is that you cannot rebuild a whole team in mid season so there is only one likely outcome.[/p][/quote]I also think the Chairman and fellow directors must take responsibility in allowing this baffoon to sign up who he wanted without vetting these players like he the former manager had promised in terms of fitness etc. This is a point seldom touched on, were the above sleepwalking into allowing KB to say Player X Y Z will do, Out of the 200 or so that had a try out, I really would hate to see what the other 200 odd we're like?. Finally Filts might be a great man and maybe his memories at Gigg Lane has clouded his judgement of being a romantic hero who in turning not only what we have of this team and the players he will want to bring in, to triumph in this league, How deep are Mr Days pockets to allow him the freedom to do that, Personally a Manager's results speak for themselves, Where is Filts pervious club?. Barnsley are rooted to the Championship and are odds on to be relegated, Please Please I hope his management skills send two teams into different divisions, only Barnsley will be in League One, Bury will be in Oblivion... Merry Christmas All..[/p][/quote]We have to deal with reality. Blackwell totally screwed this up with Fenton et al and he brought in these bunch of non performers. Yes, the chairman and board must take some responsibility for the team "we have" as they approved Blackwell's "master disaster". However, you must surely give the board some thumbs up for seeing what Ronnie could do, then moving quickly to get Flits. You are very correct about the Manager's results, but give him sometime to sort this mess out and bring in a new aggressive set of players who are willing to play, get mucky and make things happen. The defending has been horrific and I am not very confident of our next two or three games until such times as he can bring in the troops. However, I do back the Manager and the Board and we will get better. We should be grateful we did not end up with Nobby Solano, Blackburn Rejects and a whole host of other applicants. Barnsley/Flits did not have the money for expansion nor the support of the Board. He will sort this mess out and as for Barking Dog....well, he is staring down the Relegatin tarp door with Pompey, but I do expect him to turn that around. Merry Ho Ho Everyone!! easylife44

8:52am Tue 24 Dec 13

Lisasmit says...

We need to start to look at who can be brought in. Whilst we need at least 11 new players, that won't do any good as Blackwell too thought that was the answer. It needs to be a steady/step change.... 3 or 4 initially. But we need some class and people with determination not just quantity. It actually beggars belief that Blackwell was allowed to bring in some of this lot......
We should get our goalkeeper back from Portsmouth. That would be a start. A central defender. A midfield creative genious! and of course a centre forward to partner Nards....

What would we give now for the likes of: Schumacher, Worrall, Jones, even, John-Lewis, Skarz, Sweeney, Sodje..to name just a few.. Those players were here in 2011/12........ and we swapped, dropped and messed them all about for this bunch of losers... Sad.
We need to start to look at who can be brought in. Whilst we need at least 11 new players, that won't do any good as Blackwell too thought that was the answer. It needs to be a steady/step change.... 3 or 4 initially. But we need some class and people with determination not just quantity. It actually beggars belief that Blackwell was allowed to bring in some of this lot...... We should get our goalkeeper back from Portsmouth. That would be a start. A central defender. A midfield creative genious! and of course a centre forward to partner Nards.... What would we give now for the likes of: Schumacher, Worrall, Jones, even, John-Lewis, Skarz, Sweeney, Sodje..to name just a few.. Those players were here in 2011/12........ and we swapped, dropped and messed them all about for this bunch of losers... Sad. Lisasmit

9:10am Tue 24 Dec 13

Lisasmit says...

""Two years of doing the wrong things" ! Are you listening Blackwell, Fenton and co. We could see it, why couldn't you? And now we have got to put up with this new bunch of losers.

O yes, and Mr Blackwell, you have left a lasting legacy all right....
""Two years of doing the wrong things" ! Are you listening Blackwell, Fenton and co. We could see it, why couldn't you? And now we have got to put up with this new bunch of losers. O yes, and Mr Blackwell, you have left a lasting legacy all right.... Lisasmit

10:15am Tue 24 Dec 13

RONNIEJAWS says...

So well said Lisamit. To me this is the 2nd tragedy after the demise of our D1 status. The loss of this player core for all their limitations.

What would we give now for the likes of: Schumacher, Worrall, Jones, even, John-Lewis, Skarz, Sweeney, Sodje..to name just a few.. Those players were here in 2011/12........ and we swapped, dropped and messed them all about for this bunch of losers... Sad

Had we only had got in a decent manager right after Barker left. WOE IS ME. I saw this coming, this group our promo core and heart being trashed by KB and I feared their loss. I will be honest and say i didn't know or see all the financial stuff and the rest. But even had we been relegated but kept our key players we would have had something worth building on. My kids are all at stages they are starting to buy their first cars. Obviously they are cheaper used ones. I tell them they need to use certain rules to try to avoid getting someone else's problem. not a guarantee, but a logical approach. I don't think KB was very careful when he had all these cut players to choose from to sign. There are reasons they were released in the first place. Did he ever ask deeper why questions? Was KB more knowledgeable than all the managers and coaches that decided to release all of them??? I DON'T THINK SO.
All these players were signed by KB during the early days of our novice owners coming to the rescue. They probably were taken in by the KB blarney at the beginning. I cannot fault their lack of knowledge at the start, as a board they gave the manager what he was wanting. The only problem it was the wrong guy doing it.
I can't see Carson returning via club policy. It was clearly said he was one of the 'overpaids' for our wage structure. All great teams are solid, organised, foundations at defence. The famous Arsenal back line, and also the 70s greats of Leeds and Pool. When Cloughie paid a staggering 1/3rd a mill for Shilts there was a reason behind it. Someone has already said we need to build more slowly. I agree. This transfer window we need to focus on building our foundations. Get the defence sorted out, and perhaps dump one way or another those we have that are not part of the future. Then together with plasters here and their of loan signings we should be good enough to get to the summer avoiding the drop. I don't think we are as bad in the MF and forward options as at the back. We give away goals far far to easily and that puts too much pressure on the rest. If we can only keep scores 0-0 we will give ourselves chances during a game to get a goal. The rest of this season is about effective football to get results and points. not entertainment i am sorry to say. Beyond working on building a defence the next task more long term is a massive scouting, working phones and contacts to start preparing targets for the summer rebuild and signing. KB signed guys on trial. You just can't truly evaluate a player that way I'm sorry. You must must see the guy playing in a real game that counts. Flits will have to go to watch a lot of other games for his future signings now. Hard to do in our division with game times clashing. He desperately needs a very trusted old head of loads of talent spotting and evaluating experience to work for him to do this starting right now. He just can't be everywhere. There have been over the years several of these type of virtually unknown names outside the business of the game that have been great readers of talent and found many later proven good players. It would be different for Flits if he had our old core to start building with but he hasn't, and he has not a lot, and what he does have has no chemistry having been thrown together offcasts.
Mr Day has put his trust and his reputation in the hands of the man he took time to select. So we must now start the REAL STABILITY and begin to build on where we are now. I am sure it will start as soon as the opportunity allows/window opening. We just don't know how much money is going to be made available to him. And lets be really honest now. We and the new board see what you get as free transfers now. If you want any sort of quality it will cost you. I might be wrong, but other than Harrad we bought. I think the only other player we paid a bit of money for was Craig Jones?
We will soon see the true and real commitment of the new owners at who they allow Flits to sign. Lets just be patient another week+. In the meantime hope we can scrape together some valueable points before then.
So well said Lisamit. To me this is the 2nd tragedy after the demise of our D1 status. The loss of this player core for all their limitations. What would we give now for the likes of: Schumacher, Worrall, Jones, even, John-Lewis, Skarz, Sweeney, Sodje..to name just a few.. Those players were here in 2011/12........ and we swapped, dropped and messed them all about for this bunch of losers... Sad Had we only had got in a decent manager right after Barker left. WOE IS ME. I saw this coming, this group our promo core and heart being trashed by KB and I feared their loss. I will be honest and say i didn't know or see all the financial stuff and the rest. But even had we been relegated but kept our key players we would have had something worth building on. My kids are all at stages they are starting to buy their first cars. Obviously they are cheaper used ones. I tell them they need to use certain rules to try to avoid getting someone else's problem. not a guarantee, but a logical approach. I don't think KB was very careful when he had all these cut players to choose from to sign. There are reasons they were released in the first place. Did he ever ask deeper why questions? Was KB more knowledgeable than all the managers and coaches that decided to release all of them??? I DON'T THINK SO. All these players were signed by KB during the early days of our novice owners coming to the rescue. They probably were taken in by the KB blarney at the beginning. I cannot fault their lack of knowledge at the start, as a board they gave the manager what he was wanting. The only problem it was the wrong guy doing it. I can't see Carson returning via club policy. It was clearly said he was one of the 'overpaids' for our wage structure. All great teams are solid, organised, foundations at defence. The famous Arsenal back line, and also the 70s greats of Leeds and Pool. When Cloughie paid a staggering 1/3rd a mill for Shilts there was a reason behind it. Someone has already said we need to build more slowly. I agree. This transfer window we need to focus on building our foundations. Get the defence sorted out, and perhaps dump one way or another those we have that are not part of the future. Then together with plasters here and their of loan signings we should be good enough to get to the summer avoiding the drop. I don't think we are as bad in the MF and forward options as at the back. We give away goals far far to easily and that puts too much pressure on the rest. If we can only keep scores 0-0 we will give ourselves chances during a game to get a goal. The rest of this season is about effective football to get results and points. not entertainment i am sorry to say. Beyond working on building a defence the next task more long term is a massive scouting, working phones and contacts to start preparing targets for the summer rebuild and signing. KB signed guys on trial. You just can't truly evaluate a player that way I'm sorry. You must must see the guy playing in a real game that counts. Flits will have to go to watch a lot of other games for his future signings now. Hard to do in our division with game times clashing. He desperately needs a very trusted old head of loads of talent spotting and evaluating experience to work for him to do this starting right now. He just can't be everywhere. There have been over the years several of these type of virtually unknown names outside the business of the game that have been great readers of talent and found many later proven good players. It would be different for Flits if he had our old core to start building with but he hasn't, and he has not a lot, and what he does have has no chemistry having been thrown together offcasts. Mr Day has put his trust and his reputation in the hands of the man he took time to select. So we must now start the REAL STABILITY and begin to build on where we are now. I am sure it will start as soon as the opportunity allows/window opening. We just don't know how much money is going to be made available to him. And lets be really honest now. We and the new board see what you get as free transfers now. If you want any sort of quality it will cost you. I might be wrong, but other than Harrad we bought. I think the only other player we paid a bit of money for was Craig Jones? We will soon see the true and real commitment of the new owners at who they allow Flits to sign. Lets just be patient another week+. In the meantime hope we can scrape together some valueable points before then. RONNIEJAWS

10:13pm Tue 24 Dec 13

easylife44 says...

RONNIEJAWS wrote:
So well said Lisamit. To me this is the 2nd tragedy after the demise of our D1 status. The loss of this player core for all their limitations.

What would we give now for the likes of: Schumacher, Worrall, Jones, even, John-Lewis, Skarz, Sweeney, Sodje..to name just a few.. Those players were here in 2011/12........ and we swapped, dropped and messed them all about for this bunch of losers... Sad

Had we only had got in a decent manager right after Barker left. WOE IS ME. I saw this coming, this group our promo core and heart being trashed by KB and I feared their loss. I will be honest and say i didn't know or see all the financial stuff and the rest. But even had we been relegated but kept our key players we would have had something worth building on. My kids are all at stages they are starting to buy their first cars. Obviously they are cheaper used ones. I tell them they need to use certain rules to try to avoid getting someone else's problem. not a guarantee, but a logical approach. I don't think KB was very careful when he had all these cut players to choose from to sign. There are reasons they were released in the first place. Did he ever ask deeper why questions? Was KB more knowledgeable than all the managers and coaches that decided to release all of them??? I DON'T THINK SO.
All these players were signed by KB during the early days of our novice owners coming to the rescue. They probably were taken in by the KB blarney at the beginning. I cannot fault their lack of knowledge at the start, as a board they gave the manager what he was wanting. The only problem it was the wrong guy doing it.
I can't see Carson returning via club policy. It was clearly said he was one of the 'overpaids' for our wage structure. All great teams are solid, organised, foundations at defence. The famous Arsenal back line, and also the 70s greats of Leeds and Pool. When Cloughie paid a staggering 1/3rd a mill for Shilts there was a reason behind it. Someone has already said we need to build more slowly. I agree. This transfer window we need to focus on building our foundations. Get the defence sorted out, and perhaps dump one way or another those we have that are not part of the future. Then together with plasters here and their of loan signings we should be good enough to get to the summer avoiding the drop. I don't think we are as bad in the MF and forward options as at the back. We give away goals far far to easily and that puts too much pressure on the rest. If we can only keep scores 0-0 we will give ourselves chances during a game to get a goal. The rest of this season is about effective football to get results and points. not entertainment i am sorry to say. Beyond working on building a defence the next task more long term is a massive scouting, working phones and contacts to start preparing targets for the summer rebuild and signing. KB signed guys on trial. You just can't truly evaluate a player that way I'm sorry. You must must see the guy playing in a real game that counts. Flits will have to go to watch a lot of other games for his future signings now. Hard to do in our division with game times clashing. He desperately needs a very trusted old head of loads of talent spotting and evaluating experience to work for him to do this starting right now. He just can't be everywhere. There have been over the years several of these type of virtually unknown names outside the business of the game that have been great readers of talent and found many later proven good players. It would be different for Flits if he had our old core to start building with but he hasn't, and he has not a lot, and what he does have has no chemistry having been thrown together offcasts.
Mr Day has put his trust and his reputation in the hands of the man he took time to select. So we must now start the REAL STABILITY and begin to build on where we are now. I am sure it will start as soon as the opportunity allows/window opening. We just don't know how much money is going to be made available to him. And lets be really honest now. We and the new board see what you get as free transfers now. If you want any sort of quality it will cost you. I might be wrong, but other than Harrad we bought. I think the only other player we paid a bit of money for was Craig Jones?
We will soon see the true and real commitment of the new owners at who they allow Flits to sign. Lets just be patient another week+. In the meantime hope we can scrape together some valueable points before then.
Extremely well stated....
[quote][p][bold]RONNIEJAWS[/bold] wrote: So well said Lisamit. To me this is the 2nd tragedy after the demise of our D1 status. The loss of this player core for all their limitations. What would we give now for the likes of: Schumacher, Worrall, Jones, even, John-Lewis, Skarz, Sweeney, Sodje..to name just a few.. Those players were here in 2011/12........ and we swapped, dropped and messed them all about for this bunch of losers... Sad Had we only had got in a decent manager right after Barker left. WOE IS ME. I saw this coming, this group our promo core and heart being trashed by KB and I feared their loss. I will be honest and say i didn't know or see all the financial stuff and the rest. But even had we been relegated but kept our key players we would have had something worth building on. My kids are all at stages they are starting to buy their first cars. Obviously they are cheaper used ones. I tell them they need to use certain rules to try to avoid getting someone else's problem. not a guarantee, but a logical approach. I don't think KB was very careful when he had all these cut players to choose from to sign. There are reasons they were released in the first place. Did he ever ask deeper why questions? Was KB more knowledgeable than all the managers and coaches that decided to release all of them??? I DON'T THINK SO. All these players were signed by KB during the early days of our novice owners coming to the rescue. They probably were taken in by the KB blarney at the beginning. I cannot fault their lack of knowledge at the start, as a board they gave the manager what he was wanting. The only problem it was the wrong guy doing it. I can't see Carson returning via club policy. It was clearly said he was one of the 'overpaids' for our wage structure. All great teams are solid, organised, foundations at defence. The famous Arsenal back line, and also the 70s greats of Leeds and Pool. When Cloughie paid a staggering 1/3rd a mill for Shilts there was a reason behind it. Someone has already said we need to build more slowly. I agree. This transfer window we need to focus on building our foundations. Get the defence sorted out, and perhaps dump one way or another those we have that are not part of the future. Then together with plasters here and their of loan signings we should be good enough to get to the summer avoiding the drop. I don't think we are as bad in the MF and forward options as at the back. We give away goals far far to easily and that puts too much pressure on the rest. If we can only keep scores 0-0 we will give ourselves chances during a game to get a goal. The rest of this season is about effective football to get results and points. not entertainment i am sorry to say. Beyond working on building a defence the next task more long term is a massive scouting, working phones and contacts to start preparing targets for the summer rebuild and signing. KB signed guys on trial. You just can't truly evaluate a player that way I'm sorry. You must must see the guy playing in a real game that counts. Flits will have to go to watch a lot of other games for his future signings now. Hard to do in our division with game times clashing. He desperately needs a very trusted old head of loads of talent spotting and evaluating experience to work for him to do this starting right now. He just can't be everywhere. There have been over the years several of these type of virtually unknown names outside the business of the game that have been great readers of talent and found many later proven good players. It would be different for Flits if he had our old core to start building with but he hasn't, and he has not a lot, and what he does have has no chemistry having been thrown together offcasts. Mr Day has put his trust and his reputation in the hands of the man he took time to select. So we must now start the REAL STABILITY and begin to build on where we are now. I am sure it will start as soon as the opportunity allows/window opening. We just don't know how much money is going to be made available to him. And lets be really honest now. We and the new board see what you get as free transfers now. If you want any sort of quality it will cost you. I might be wrong, but other than Harrad we bought. I think the only other player we paid a bit of money for was Craig Jones? We will soon see the true and real commitment of the new owners at who they allow Flits to sign. Lets just be patient another week+. In the meantime hope we can scrape together some valueable points before then.[/p][/quote]Extremely well stated.... easylife44

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