'Time to get rid of town councils', says councillor

The Bolton News: Andy Morgan Andy Morgan

THE value of Bolton’s three town councils has been questioned by one of the borough’s politicians — who says the money could be better spent elsewhere.

Town councils can tax residents to support their operations and to carry out local projects, but their powers are limited.

Now Cllr Andy Morgan, the deputy leader of the Conservative party in Bolton and previously a Westhoughton town councillor, has questioned, in tough financial times, how much town councils cost to run.

But town councillors insist they are a vital part of local government.

Horwich residents went to the polls three times this year to elect new representatives at a cost of just under £9,000.

The first by-election was held in June following the death of former councillor Peter Baxendale.

Cllr Marion Downes’ ill health prompted another in September.

A third vote took place in November after Cllr Jeremy Lavin stood down because he was finding council work “onerous and unproductive”.

Labour won all three by-elections, but Cllr Morgan said: “Nothing has changed after the three votes and perhaps the people of Horwich would prefer that money to be used for other things such as dealing with potholes. It is important to point out that town councillors are consultees when it comes to things like planning.

“That gives hope to people who think that the town council has clout, but it doesn’t — I’m definitely on the fence when every penny matters.”

The total precept received by Horwich Town Council from Bolton Council for 2013 was £184,392 and the money is spent on Horwich Resource Centre — a community centre that accommodates voluntary and community groups, which cost £70,000 a year.

There are also town councils in Westhoughton and Blackrod.

Cllr Kevan Helsby, Labour leader on Horwich Town Council said: “It surprised me that Cllr Morgan has said that because the Government is supposed to be in favour of localism.

“The town councils are serving a purpose and are more likely to be in touch on local issues — we often have more members of the public expressing views at meetings than at Bolton Council.”

Horwich’s Liberal Democrat leader, Steve Rock, believes that Horwich Town Council should make the final decisions on planning.

He added: “We know the town and are more in touch with its people than councillors from other wards who do not know the area.

"The majority of the money raised through the precept goes back to the people of the town and very little is spent on running costs — if it comes to cost saving then it would be better to go with the Liberal Democrat proposal of cutting ward councillors from three to two.”

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12:14pm Mon 30 Dec 13

soup153 says...

Better spent on pot holes, what are the chances of that? He's again talking out of one hole. Wants to get some work done instead of bickering like a little primary school child.
Better spent on pot holes, what are the chances of that? He's again talking out of one hole. Wants to get some work done instead of bickering like a little primary school child. soup153

12:14pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Blackrod says...

The only waste of money is when the local town council supports its voters and Bolton MBC make a decision in the opposite direction. With the Town Council our views would not be recorded. They should have planning controls. I choose to live in an area that supports local decisions. I'm sorry the Westhaugton residents don't have the same backing from their town council.
The only waste of money is when the local town council supports its voters and Bolton MBC make a decision in the opposite direction. With the Town Council our views would not be recorded. They should have planning controls. I choose to live in an area that supports local decisions. I'm sorry the Westhaugton residents don't have the same backing from their town council. Blackrod

12:33pm Mon 30 Dec 13

oftbewildered2 says...

local issues need local knowledge, local decisions, etc. Pity we are not always kept in the picture
local issues need local knowledge, local decisions, etc. Pity we are not always kept in the picture oftbewildered2

12:34pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Brumas says...

Is this a Councillor jumping on my Bandwagon? I have commented on this subject several times in recent months

Although the councillor in question does not belong to a party that I support, he is right.
Dissect the words in the article and you will agree with his statement:-

1) Cllr Jeremy Lavin stood down because he was finding council work “onerous and unproductive”. (Because the Council influences nothing, despite what councillors think)

2) It is important to point out that town councillors are Consultee’s when it comes to things like planning. “That gives hope to people who think that the town council has clout, but it doesn’t. (How true)
3) Horwich’s Liberal Democrat leader, Steve Rock, believes that Horwich Town Council should make the final decisions on planning. (But it does not, so what is the point)

4) Cllr Kevan Helsby, Labour leader on Horwich Town Council said: “It surprised me that Cllr Morgan has said that because the Government is supposed to be in favour of localism. (Correct, if the Government would devolve authority down to Town Councils. But they don’t)

Also, Cllr Andy Morgan, is right when he says “The money could be better spent elsewhere”. (Hoping he means, by the people of Horwich, on their selves, rather than on the precept)

Finally, you will note that Wigan Council turned down the plea for Atherton to have a Town Council. For all the reasons stated above.
Is this a Councillor jumping on my Bandwagon? I have commented on this subject several times in recent months Although the councillor in question does not belong to a party that I support, he is right. Dissect the words in the article and you will agree with his statement:- 1) Cllr Jeremy Lavin stood down because he was finding council work “onerous and unproductive”. (Because the Council influences nothing, despite what councillors think) 2) It is important to point out that town councillors are Consultee’s when it comes to things like planning. “That gives hope to people who think that the town council has clout, but it doesn’t. (How true) 3) Horwich’s Liberal Democrat leader, Steve Rock, believes that Horwich Town Council should make the final decisions on planning. (But it does not, so what is the point) 4) Cllr Kevan Helsby, Labour leader on Horwich Town Council said: “It surprised me that Cllr Morgan has said that because the Government is supposed to be in favour of localism. (Correct, if the Government would devolve authority down to Town Councils. But they don’t) Also, Cllr Andy Morgan, is right when he says “The money could be better spent elsewhere”. (Hoping he means, by the people of Horwich, on their selves, rather than on the precept) Finally, you will note that Wigan Council turned down the plea for Atherton to have a Town Council. For all the reasons stated above. Brumas

1:35pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Hulton Park says...

Brumas wrote:
Is this a Councillor jumping on my Bandwagon? I have commented on this subject several times in recent months Although the councillor in question does not belong to a party that I support, he is right. Dissect the words in the article and you will agree with his statement:- 1) Cllr Jeremy Lavin stood down because he was finding council work “onerous and unproductive”. (Because the Council influences nothing, despite what councillors think) 2) It is important to point out that town councillors are Consultee’s when it comes to things like planning. “That gives hope to people who think that the town council has clout, but it doesn’t. (How true) 3) Horwich’s Liberal Democrat leader, Steve Rock, believes that Horwich Town Council should make the final decisions on planning. (But it does not, so what is the point) 4) Cllr Kevan Helsby, Labour leader on Horwich Town Council said: “It surprised me that Cllr Morgan has said that because the Government is supposed to be in favour of localism. (Correct, if the Government would devolve authority down to Town Councils. But they don’t) Also, Cllr Andy Morgan, is right when he says “The money could be better spent elsewhere”. (Hoping he means, by the people of Horwich, on their selves, rather than on the precept) Finally, you will note that Wigan Council turned down the plea for Atherton to have a Town Council. For all the reasons stated above.
The plea Wigan Council turned down was supported by 97% of those who expressed an opinion.

It is rare indeed for any project to receive that level of support. So much for democracy!
[quote][p][bold]Brumas[/bold] wrote: Is this a Councillor jumping on my Bandwagon? I have commented on this subject several times in recent months Although the councillor in question does not belong to a party that I support, he is right. Dissect the words in the article and you will agree with his statement:- 1) Cllr Jeremy Lavin stood down because he was finding council work “onerous and unproductive”. (Because the Council influences nothing, despite what councillors think) 2) It is important to point out that town councillors are Consultee’s when it comes to things like planning. “That gives hope to people who think that the town council has clout, but it doesn’t. (How true) 3) Horwich’s Liberal Democrat leader, Steve Rock, believes that Horwich Town Council should make the final decisions on planning. (But it does not, so what is the point) 4) Cllr Kevan Helsby, Labour leader on Horwich Town Council said: “It surprised me that Cllr Morgan has said that because the Government is supposed to be in favour of localism. (Correct, if the Government would devolve authority down to Town Councils. But they don’t) Also, Cllr Andy Morgan, is right when he says “The money could be better spent elsewhere”. (Hoping he means, by the people of Horwich, on their selves, rather than on the precept) Finally, you will note that Wigan Council turned down the plea for Atherton to have a Town Council. For all the reasons stated above.[/p][/quote]The plea Wigan Council turned down was supported by 97% of those who expressed an opinion. It is rare indeed for any project to receive that level of support. So much for democracy! Hulton Park

1:43pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Hulton Park says...

A more substantial saving would be made, and representation made more local across the whole borough, if we were to cut the number of councillors by a third whilst doubling the number of wards: one councillor per ward.

All councillors should also be up for re-election at the same time. Nothing concentrates politicians' minds more than the possibility of a sudden clear-out.
A more substantial saving would be made, and representation made more local across the whole borough, if we were to cut the number of councillors by a third whilst doubling the number of wards: one councillor per ward. All councillors should also be up for re-election at the same time. Nothing concentrates politicians' minds more than the possibility of a sudden clear-out. Hulton Park

2:39pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Brumas says...

Hulton Park wrote:
A more substantial saving would be made, and representation made more local across the whole borough, if we were to cut the number of councillors by a third whilst doubling the number of wards: one councillor per ward.

All councillors should also be up for re-election at the same time. Nothing concentrates politicians' minds more than the possibility of a sudden clear-out.
But we are talking about Town Council's, not Bolton Council. Plus the fact that Horwich town folk pay a precept of Thirty odd pounds more than the residents of Bolton, for the privillage of having a "Town Council" that does diddly squat.
[quote][p][bold]Hulton Park[/bold] wrote: A more substantial saving would be made, and representation made more local across the whole borough, if we were to cut the number of councillors by a third whilst doubling the number of wards: one councillor per ward. All councillors should also be up for re-election at the same time. Nothing concentrates politicians' minds more than the possibility of a sudden clear-out.[/p][/quote]But we are talking about Town Council's, not Bolton Council. Plus the fact that Horwich town folk pay a precept of Thirty odd pounds more than the residents of Bolton, for the privillage of having a "Town Council" that does diddly squat. Brumas

2:44pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Brumas says...

Hulton Park wrote:
Brumas wrote:
Is this a Councillor jumping on my Bandwagon? I have commented on this subject several times in recent months Although the councillor in question does not belong to a party that I support, he is right. Dissect the words in the article and you will agree with his statement:- 1) Cllr Jeremy Lavin stood down because he was finding council work “onerous and unproductive”. (Because the Council influences nothing, despite what councillors think) 2) It is important to point out that town councillors are Consultee’s when it comes to things like planning. “That gives hope to people who think that the town council has clout, but it doesn’t. (How true) 3) Horwich’s Liberal Democrat leader, Steve Rock, believes that Horwich Town Council should make the final decisions on planning. (But it does not, so what is the point) 4) Cllr Kevan Helsby, Labour leader on Horwich Town Council said: “It surprised me that Cllr Morgan has said that because the Government is supposed to be in favour of localism. (Correct, if the Government would devolve authority down to Town Councils. But they don’t) Also, Cllr Andy Morgan, is right when he says “The money could be better spent elsewhere”. (Hoping he means, by the people of Horwich, on their selves, rather than on the precept) Finally, you will note that Wigan Council turned down the plea for Atherton to have a Town Council. For all the reasons stated above.
The plea Wigan Council turned down was supported by 97% of those who expressed an opinion.

It is rare indeed for any project to receive that level of support. So much for democracy!
The figure you give is still a minority of the people eligible to vote, and you know how many minorities we have to bow down to.
[quote][p][bold]Hulton Park[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brumas[/bold] wrote: Is this a Councillor jumping on my Bandwagon? I have commented on this subject several times in recent months Although the councillor in question does not belong to a party that I support, he is right. Dissect the words in the article and you will agree with his statement:- 1) Cllr Jeremy Lavin stood down because he was finding council work “onerous and unproductive”. (Because the Council influences nothing, despite what councillors think) 2) It is important to point out that town councillors are Consultee’s when it comes to things like planning. “That gives hope to people who think that the town council has clout, but it doesn’t. (How true) 3) Horwich’s Liberal Democrat leader, Steve Rock, believes that Horwich Town Council should make the final decisions on planning. (But it does not, so what is the point) 4) Cllr Kevan Helsby, Labour leader on Horwich Town Council said: “It surprised me that Cllr Morgan has said that because the Government is supposed to be in favour of localism. (Correct, if the Government would devolve authority down to Town Councils. But they don’t) Also, Cllr Andy Morgan, is right when he says “The money could be better spent elsewhere”. (Hoping he means, by the people of Horwich, on their selves, rather than on the precept) Finally, you will note that Wigan Council turned down the plea for Atherton to have a Town Council. For all the reasons stated above.[/p][/quote]The plea Wigan Council turned down was supported by 97% of those who expressed an opinion. It is rare indeed for any project to receive that level of support. So much for democracy![/p][/quote]The figure you give is still a minority of the people eligible to vote, and you know how many minorities we have to bow down to. Brumas

5:17pm Mon 30 Dec 13

atlas123 says...

I agree, town councils are a pointless waste of money.

Id rather have my town council precept in my pocket, they do me no good.

While we are at it I would reduce the town Councillors to two per ward and investigate merging areas.
I agree, town councils are a pointless waste of money. Id rather have my town council precept in my pocket, they do me no good. While we are at it I would reduce the town Councillors to two per ward and investigate merging areas. atlas123

6:42pm Mon 30 Dec 13

wsw69 says...

Quote: A third vote took place in November after Cllr Jeremy Lavin stood down because he was finding council work “onerous and unproductive” - PMSLOL. Well well, the ONLY one I can consider be be truthful.

As for Andy Morgan ....................
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........... the less said the better. The lot of them are a load of useless waste of space. Bolton Council, yes I KNOW it's NOT a town council, would probably run itself better with no half baked d1p5h1t idiots who haven't a clue.
Quote: A third vote took place in November after Cllr Jeremy Lavin stood down because he was finding council work “onerous and unproductive” - PMSLOL. Well well, the ONLY one I can consider be be truthful. As for Andy Morgan .................... .................... .................... ........... the less said the better. The lot of them are a load of useless waste of space. Bolton Council, yes I KNOW it's NOT a town council, would probably run itself better with no half baked d1p5h1t idiots who haven't a clue. wsw69

7:13pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Brumas says...

Just look at the online Poll, I don't know how many have voted, but it is a fair majority in favour of getting rid of Town Council's.

Lets see if they listen to the electorate.
Just look at the online Poll, I don't know how many have voted, but it is a fair majority in favour of getting rid of Town Council's. Lets see if they listen to the electorate. Brumas

12:01am Tue 31 Dec 13

Valiant One says...

Guess most people commenting don't live in areas that have a Town Council or they would realise what value for money they get for their £16 a year per household (Band D Westhoughton) The people of the townships of Westhoughton, Blackrod and Horwich fought hard in the 1980s to have their Town Councils after the old Urban District Councils were abolished in the 1970s. Their democratically elected Councillors are unpaid and all live locally
They do a sterling job of supporting community projects which brings about a cohesive sense of community to these towns.
Guess most people commenting don't live in areas that have a Town Council or they would realise what value for money they get for their £16 a year per household (Band D Westhoughton) The people of the townships of Westhoughton, Blackrod and Horwich fought hard in the 1980s to have their Town Councils after the old Urban District Councils were abolished in the 1970s. Their democratically elected Councillors are unpaid and all live locally They do a sterling job of supporting community projects which brings about a cohesive sense of community to these towns. Valiant One

12:09am Tue 31 Dec 13

AndrewMartinS says...

People are losing faith in their Town Councils because they are stuffed with Labour 'yes men' who seem happy to do whatever Cliff Morris wants.
People are losing faith in their Town Councils because they are stuffed with Labour 'yes men' who seem happy to do whatever Cliff Morris wants. AndrewMartinS

12:11am Tue 31 Dec 13

AndrewMartinS says...

In the last 3 Town Council by-elections in Horwich, the Tories came fourth.
In the last 2 Town Council by-elections in Westhoughton, the Tories came third and fourth.

Might this have something to do with Andy Morgan's opposition to Town Councils?
In the last 3 Town Council by-elections in Horwich, the Tories came fourth. In the last 2 Town Council by-elections in Westhoughton, the Tories came third and fourth. Might this have something to do with Andy Morgan's opposition to Town Councils? AndrewMartinS

1:17am Tue 31 Dec 13

Valiant One says...

Town Councils are independent of Bolton Council control. They have all together a different remit and different responsibilities from Bolton Council. Atherton may or may not be granted a Town Council but the pro literature the residents of that town is receiving implies that a Town Council will free Atherton from Wigan Council.Not true. Town Councils have a great community function but road repairs, schools, leisure etc will still be done by Wigan.
Town Councils are independent of Bolton Council control. They have all together a different remit and different responsibilities from Bolton Council. Atherton may or may not be granted a Town Council but the pro literature the residents of that town is receiving implies that a Town Council will free Atherton from Wigan Council.Not true. Town Councils have a great community function but road repairs, schools, leisure etc will still be done by Wigan. Valiant One

10:23am Tue 31 Dec 13

Hulton Park says...

Brumas wrote:
Hulton Park wrote:
Brumas wrote: Is this a Councillor jumping on my Bandwagon? I have commented on this subject several times in recent months Although the councillor in question does not belong to a party that I support, he is right. Dissect the words in the article and you will agree with his statement:- 1) Cllr Jeremy Lavin stood down because he was finding council work “onerous and unproductive”. (Because the Council influences nothing, despite what councillors think) 2) It is important to point out that town councillors are Consultee’s when it comes to things like planning. “That gives hope to people who think that the town council has clout, but it doesn’t. (How true) 3) Horwich’s Liberal Democrat leader, Steve Rock, believes that Horwich Town Council should make the final decisions on planning. (But it does not, so what is the point) 4) Cllr Kevan Helsby, Labour leader on Horwich Town Council said: “It surprised me that Cllr Morgan has said that because the Government is supposed to be in favour of localism. (Correct, if the Government would devolve authority down to Town Councils. But they don’t) Also, Cllr Andy Morgan, is right when he says “The money could be better spent elsewhere”. (Hoping he means, by the people of Horwich, on their selves, rather than on the precept) Finally, you will note that Wigan Council turned down the plea for Atherton to have a Town Council. For all the reasons stated above.
The plea Wigan Council turned down was supported by 97% of those who expressed an opinion. It is rare indeed for any project to receive that level of support. So much for democracy!
The figure you give is still a minority of the people eligible to vote, and you know how many minorities we have to bow down to.
Yes, but EVERY local government election is decided by a minority of those eligible to vote - most people don't bother. To get 97% support is highly significant.

They don't bother, because they are not interested, and they are not interested because they feel they have little influence. They see a cumbersome three-yearly cycle and three-councillors-to
-a-ward system that makes it very difficult to dislodge a useless administration quickly.

My point was that we would all save more money if we got rid of a third of our borough councillors, not the town council. But that question should be up to those who live in those areas.

Which brings us back to the case of Atherton, a town nearer to Bolton than it is to Wigan, and also nearer to the centre of Bolton than Blackrod and Horwich are!
[quote][p][bold]Brumas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hulton Park[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brumas[/bold] wrote: Is this a Councillor jumping on my Bandwagon? I have commented on this subject several times in recent months Although the councillor in question does not belong to a party that I support, he is right. Dissect the words in the article and you will agree with his statement:- 1) Cllr Jeremy Lavin stood down because he was finding council work “onerous and unproductive”. (Because the Council influences nothing, despite what councillors think) 2) It is important to point out that town councillors are Consultee’s when it comes to things like planning. “That gives hope to people who think that the town council has clout, but it doesn’t. (How true) 3) Horwich’s Liberal Democrat leader, Steve Rock, believes that Horwich Town Council should make the final decisions on planning. (But it does not, so what is the point) 4) Cllr Kevan Helsby, Labour leader on Horwich Town Council said: “It surprised me that Cllr Morgan has said that because the Government is supposed to be in favour of localism. (Correct, if the Government would devolve authority down to Town Councils. But they don’t) Also, Cllr Andy Morgan, is right when he says “The money could be better spent elsewhere”. (Hoping he means, by the people of Horwich, on their selves, rather than on the precept) Finally, you will note that Wigan Council turned down the plea for Atherton to have a Town Council. For all the reasons stated above.[/p][/quote]The plea Wigan Council turned down was supported by 97% of those who expressed an opinion. It is rare indeed for any project to receive that level of support. So much for democracy![/p][/quote]The figure you give is still a minority of the people eligible to vote, and you know how many minorities we have to bow down to.[/p][/quote]Yes, but EVERY local government election is decided by a minority of those eligible to vote - most people don't bother. To get 97% support is highly significant. They don't bother, because they are not interested, and they are not interested because they feel they have little influence. They see a cumbersome three-yearly cycle and three-councillors-to -a-ward system that makes it very difficult to dislodge a useless administration quickly. My point was that we would all save more money if we got rid of a third of our borough councillors, not the town council. But that question should be up to those who live in those areas. Which brings us back to the case of Atherton, a town nearer to Bolton than it is to Wigan, and also nearer to the centre of Bolton than Blackrod and Horwich are! Hulton Park

1:14pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Brumas says...

I do hope that you Hulton Park, are not in any form of Local politics, because you keep making Irrelevant remarks and do not seem to grasp the point of the Item. Just like a lot of the local politicians, who we view with disdain.

“Get Rid of Town Councils” nothing else.
I/we want to stop having to pay the thirty odd pounds precept for the so called privilege of living in Horwich. A precept that is paid per household in these austere times for an irrelevant, ineffectual Horwich Town Council.
I do hope that you Hulton Park, are not in any form of Local politics, because you keep making Irrelevant remarks and do not seem to grasp the point of the Item. Just like a lot of the local politicians, who we view with disdain. “Get Rid of Town Councils” nothing else. I/we want to stop having to pay the thirty odd pounds precept for the so called privilege of living in Horwich. A precept that is paid per household in these austere times for an irrelevant, ineffectual Horwich Town Council. Brumas

3:57pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Brumas says...

For all those in support of "Town Councils" now is the time to justify in real terms, just how they benefit the residents of Blackrod, Horwich and Westhoughton. Rather than using vagaries like “Town Councils have a great community function” and “They do a sterling job of supporting community projects which brings about a cohesive sense of community to these towns”.

Then explain how residents of the likes of Farnworth and Little lever suffer from the disadvantages of not having a Town Council?
For all those in support of "Town Councils" now is the time to justify in real terms, just how they benefit the residents of Blackrod, Horwich and Westhoughton. Rather than using vagaries like “Town Councils have a great community function” and “They do a sterling job of supporting community projects which brings about a cohesive sense of community to these towns”. Then explain how residents of the likes of Farnworth and Little lever suffer from the disadvantages of not having a Town Council? Brumas

4:59pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Ernagy2 says...

Local Government needs re-organising anyway. The last one was in the early 70's. We have computers now. Sheds load of staff need to go. Most of the work Town councils do could be done on a regional basis and still listen to the local people.
Local Government needs re-organising anyway. The last one was in the early 70's. We have computers now. Sheds load of staff need to go. Most of the work Town councils do could be done on a regional basis and still listen to the local people. Ernagy2

7:43pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Hulton Park says...

Brumas wrote:
I do hope that you Hulton Park, are not in any form of Local politics, because you keep making Irrelevant remarks and do not seem to grasp the point of the Item. Just like a lot of the local politicians, who we view with disdain. “Get Rid of Town Councils” nothing else. I/we want to stop having to pay the thirty odd pounds precept for the so called privilege of living in Horwich. A precept that is paid per household in these austere times for an irrelevant, ineffectual Horwich Town Council.
I do assure you that my grasp of the matter is at least as firm as yours, and no, I am not involved in local politics.

My point - if your aim is to save money - is that more could be saved by reducing the number of borough councillors.
[quote][p][bold]Brumas[/bold] wrote: I do hope that you Hulton Park, are not in any form of Local politics, because you keep making Irrelevant remarks and do not seem to grasp the point of the Item. Just like a lot of the local politicians, who we view with disdain. “Get Rid of Town Councils” nothing else. I/we want to stop having to pay the thirty odd pounds precept for the so called privilege of living in Horwich. A precept that is paid per household in these austere times for an irrelevant, ineffectual Horwich Town Council.[/p][/quote]I do assure you that my grasp of the matter is at least as firm as yours, and no, I am not involved in local politics. My point - if your aim is to save money - is that more could be saved by reducing the number of borough councillors. Hulton Park

2:34am Wed 1 Jan 14

AndrewMartinS says...

Hulton Park wrote:
Brumas wrote:
I do hope that you Hulton Park, are not in any form of Local politics, because you keep making Irrelevant remarks and do not seem to grasp the point of the Item. Just like a lot of the local politicians, who we view with disdain. “Get Rid of Town Councils” nothing else. I/we want to stop having to pay the thirty odd pounds precept for the so called privilege of living in Horwich. A precept that is paid per household in these austere times for an irrelevant, ineffectual Horwich Town Council.
I do assure you that my grasp of the matter is at least as firm as yours, and no, I am not involved in local politics.

My point - if your aim is to save money - is that more could be saved by reducing the number of borough councillors.
Reducing the number of borough councillors is a local Lib Dem policy which was voted down by Labour and most Tories when we proposed it at council.
[quote][p][bold]Hulton Park[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brumas[/bold] wrote: I do hope that you Hulton Park, are not in any form of Local politics, because you keep making Irrelevant remarks and do not seem to grasp the point of the Item. Just like a lot of the local politicians, who we view with disdain. “Get Rid of Town Councils” nothing else. I/we want to stop having to pay the thirty odd pounds precept for the so called privilege of living in Horwich. A precept that is paid per household in these austere times for an irrelevant, ineffectual Horwich Town Council.[/p][/quote]I do assure you that my grasp of the matter is at least as firm as yours, and no, I am not involved in local politics. My point - if your aim is to save money - is that more could be saved by reducing the number of borough councillors.[/p][/quote]Reducing the number of borough councillors is a local Lib Dem policy which was voted down by Labour and most Tories when we proposed it at council. AndrewMartinS

1:20pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Westwell says...

Westhoughton is now big enough to have its own Council. So if Bolton wants to save money give Westhoughton its independents. I am sure that a majority of residents would support this.
Pendlebury.
Westhoughton is now big enough to have its own Council. So if Bolton wants to save money give Westhoughton its independents. I am sure that a majority of residents would support this. Pendlebury. Westwell

8:51pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Brumas says...

Sorry to belabour the point to Hulton Park, AndrewMartinS and Westwell but the crux of this topic is the Precept paid for having a Town Council in Blackrod, Horwich and Westhoughton. In my case thirty four pounds per annum, which is above and beyond what the residents of other areas of Bolton pay as their rates. When the three councils influence nothing, because they have no power’s despite what councillors think.

After that is sorted, then address the problem of having to many councillors per ward in Bolton.
Sorry to belabour the point to Hulton Park, AndrewMartinS and Westwell but the crux of this topic is the Precept paid for having a Town Council in Blackrod, Horwich and Westhoughton. In my case thirty four pounds per annum, which is above and beyond what the residents of other areas of Bolton pay as their rates. When the three councils influence nothing, because they have no power’s despite what councillors think. After that is sorted, then address the problem of having to many councillors per ward in Bolton. Brumas

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