'No need for extra carriages on Bolton trains,' says Northern Rail

The Bolton News: Bolton commuters are being asked if they have seen an improvement Bolton commuters are being asked if they have seen an improvement

TRAIN provider Northern Rail has told the government that there is no need for extra carriages on the Bolton service.

MP David Crausby wrote to the under-secretary of state for transport, Stephen Hammond, asking him to clear up the confusion about who is responsible for giving a better service to train commuters.

It is part of a campaign by The Bolton News, which is urging transport bosses to dramatically improve Bolton’s “cattle market” rail services and reinstate axed peak hour carriages.

In his letter, Mr Hammond said the Department for Transport has spoken to Northern Rail with regards to Bolton services and has been told that the number of passengers using trains from Wigan Wallgate, through Bolton, decreased in December.

This, the department said, was down to many commuters choosing to use the newly electrified First TransPennine Express services that runs through Wigan North Western station en route to Manchester, freeing up space on the Bolton line.

Mr Hammond said: “With the stated reduction in capacity on the Bolton corridor being eight to nine per cent across the morning peak in December, 2013, as I stated, Northern Rail has advised the department of how it proposes to manage demand at stations on the Bolton line if the passenger demand on individual trains differs from expectations.

“These proposals include an option to transfer a train from a morning peak train serving other routes into Greater Manchester, if necessary.

“As yet, no such transfer of rolling stock has been deemed necessary.”

Mr Hammond added that if any spare diesel rolling stock became available it would be for Transport for Greater Manchester to work with local providers to see how they could be re-deployed.

But Bolton North East MP David Crausby has said he would like to hear from the public on whether they have seen an improvement.

He said: “I still don’t think it is acceptable, but I would like to hear what Bolton commuters think.

“This response seems to be shifting responsibility on to Northern Rail and Transport for Greater Manchester and I think the next move is for the Bolton MPs to sit down with those organisations and discuss this. That is something I am in the process or arranging.”

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12:37pm Wed 8 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

When in December was the downturn? Between 25th and January1st?

The 7:59 (normally 4 minutes late every day anyway) is more full than normal.

The 8:08 yes it is more empty when arrives in Bolton, but after leaving Bolton sardines have more space in their tines and yet this service only has 1 more stop - its terminus at Oxford Road - so can you imagine being more crammed than a sardine for 20+ minutes?

The 7:55 the station staff literally have to push people on to the train to make sure the door can close!!!

That is just 3 trains - so how anyone can say that conditions have improved is a complete joke, they have got worse and are getting worse from February and then from May.
When in December was the downturn? Between 25th and January1st? The 7:59 (normally 4 minutes late every day anyway) is more full than normal. The 8:08 yes it is more empty when arrives in Bolton, but after leaving Bolton sardines have more space in their tines and yet this service only has 1 more stop - its terminus at Oxford Road - so can you imagine being more crammed than a sardine for 20+ minutes? The 7:55 the station staff literally have to push people on to the train to make sure the door can close!!! That is just 3 trains - so how anyone can say that conditions have improved is a complete joke, they have got worse and are getting worse from February and then from May. BWFC71
  • Score: 35

12:42pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Beyond News Forum says...

If everybody walked through the ticket bridge at once without paying because there is no need to pay the increase in ticket fares then there would be a problem. Increased ticket prices for a service that has not been improved but instead gone backwards over the last 25-years? There is no need to pay that is there?
If everybody walked through the ticket bridge at once without paying because there is no need to pay the increase in ticket fares then there would be a problem. Increased ticket prices for a service that has not been improved but instead gone backwards over the last 25-years? There is no need to pay that is there? Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 12

12:43pm Wed 8 Jan 14

oftbewildered2 says...

perhaps the Northern Rail spokesperson who made the statement re numbers would like to commute for a week to and from Bolton at 'rush hour' and then make a decision. What did the BN reporter think when he was writing his blog?
perhaps the Northern Rail spokesperson who made the statement re numbers would like to commute for a week to and from Bolton at 'rush hour' and then make a decision. What did the BN reporter think when he was writing his blog? oftbewildered2
  • Score: 31

12:46pm Wed 8 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

I have also caught the 7:08 during December and that was worse than a tin of sardines as well - looking forward to catching it again, tomorrow (NOT)!!!!


Only tie it was more quieter was the week/end leading up to Christmas and between Christmas and New Year when people were off from work.

Also I have hard many troubles about the new "electrified" service through Wigan - which isn't currently using electric trains because First TPE haven't got enough of them!!!!! I have heard that the trains are far too overcrowded and that people are deciding to go back to their old roué of via Bolton as they feel after, not as cramped (until Bolton) and more frequent!!! Each to their own, I suppose, but it does seem that not one of the travel organisations involved (from DfT to TfGM and the TOC's) just haven't got a clue and they are making up as they go along!!!
I have also caught the 7:08 during December and that was worse than a tin of sardines as well - looking forward to catching it again, tomorrow (NOT)!!!! Only tie it was more quieter was the week/end leading up to Christmas and between Christmas and New Year when people were off from work. Also I have hard many troubles about the new "electrified" service through Wigan - which isn't currently using electric trains because First TPE haven't got enough of them!!!!! I have heard that the trains are far too overcrowded and that people are deciding to go back to their old roué of via Bolton as they feel after, not as cramped (until Bolton) and more frequent!!! Each to their own, I suppose, but it does seem that not one of the travel organisations involved (from DfT to TfGM and the TOC's) just haven't got a clue and they are making up as they go along!!! BWFC71
  • Score: 17

1:15pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Love Bolton says...

This service is really awful - most of the time. Once I got on over the past year when there were enough carriages for standing comfortably. Most of the time when I get on these trains I find my nose squashed into someone's back or the train doors.
Except for the once, the trains always struggle to close the doors safely, which means that there is no-one pushing against them due to squashed/cramped conditions.
I don't believe that anyone has done an assessment of this in a proper timeframe when the customers are experiencing their usual conditions.
Dreadful response from the government, but on the back of everything else, I presume it should not be a surprise. Perhaps the government is hoping everyone will lose their jobs so the problem will go away?
This service is really awful - most of the time. Once I got on over the past year when there were enough carriages for standing comfortably. Most of the time when I get on these trains I find my nose squashed into someone's back or the train doors. Except for the once, the trains always struggle to close the doors safely, which means that there is no-one pushing against them due to squashed/cramped conditions. I don't believe that anyone has done an assessment of this in a proper timeframe when the customers are experiencing their usual conditions. Dreadful response from the government, but on the back of everything else, I presume it should not be a surprise. Perhaps the government is hoping everyone will lose their jobs so the problem will go away? Love Bolton
  • Score: 14

1:27pm Wed 8 Jan 14

stereo_world says...

Well screw you too, Northern Rail.
Well screw you too, Northern Rail. stereo_world
  • Score: 20

1:42pm Wed 8 Jan 14

boltonian87 says...

If we don't need more carriages, perhpas Northern Rail can explain why I couldn't get on to the 7:55 train this morning. It was packed when it got into Bolton, and whilst most people did squeeze on - literally shoving their way on, a few of us had to wait for the next train as it was impossible for us to fit on with everyone else! I've lost count of how many times this has happened over the last year. And the students aren't even all back at Manchester uni yet so it will only get worse when they return.
I have no idea what trains these companies are looking at, but it's certainly NOT the trains I get on.
If we don't need more carriages, perhpas Northern Rail can explain why I couldn't get on to the 7:55 train this morning. It was packed when it got into Bolton, and whilst most people did squeeze on - literally shoving their way on, a few of us had to wait for the next train as it was impossible for us to fit on with everyone else! I've lost count of how many times this has happened over the last year. And the students aren't even all back at Manchester uni yet so it will only get worse when they return. I have no idea what trains these companies are looking at, but it's certainly NOT the trains I get on. boltonian87
  • Score: 22

1:44pm Wed 8 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

Why doesn't the BN offer the CEO's of Northern Rail, TfGM and the head of DfT a weeks travel on peak time trains between Bolton and Manchester to get them out of their Ivory Towers and see the problems for themselves on a daily bass and not just a one-off - wouldn't cost much, only £24.70 for 7 days travel (which includes travelling anywhere in Greater Manchester on a Saturday and Sunday - and that includes the airport!)
Why doesn't the BN offer the CEO's of Northern Rail, TfGM and the head of DfT a weeks travel on peak time trains between Bolton and Manchester to get them out of their Ivory Towers and see the problems for themselves on a daily bass and not just a one-off - wouldn't cost much, only £24.70 for 7 days travel (which includes travelling anywhere in Greater Manchester on a Saturday and Sunday - and that includes the airport!) BWFC71
  • Score: 9

1:56pm Wed 8 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

In 2004/5 there were 1.686 million passengers using Bolton station
In 2005/6 there were 1.930 million passengers using Bolton station
In 2006/7 there were 1.952 million passengers using Bolton station
In 2007/8 there were 2.098 million passengers using Bolton station
In 2008/9 there were 2.771 million passengers using Bolton station
In 2009/10 there were 2.834 million passengers using Bolton station
In 2010/11 there were 3.059 million passengers using Bolton station
In 2011/12 there were 3.259 million passengers using Bolton station
In 2012/13 there were 3.568 million passengers using Bolton station

so a fraction of a drop in passengers (over Christmas and New year period) and to try out the new slow-express service and now realising its actually quicker on their "normal" route doesn't mean a thing - Northern and DfT are NOT doing their jobs properly and in doing so are actually putting people's lives at risk with this non-intervention!

In February the 1718 from Oxford Road becomes the 1713 and number of coaches halved from 6 to 3 - and if you see that train come into Bolton everyday (at about 17:32) ALL 6 carriages are more than overfull with the majority of passengers getting off at Bolton! Also the First TPE train before the 1718 will be pick up in Bolton only and as such people will not be allowed to travel between Manchester and Bolton on it - so that is basically 2 trains less comes February!!!!!

In May ALL Northern completely change their timetable with all services being re-timed so will we get a better service or a worse service - hopefully we should find out in the next month or so when they start advertising the new times!!!!
In 2004/5 there were 1.686 million passengers using Bolton station In 2005/6 there were 1.930 million passengers using Bolton station In 2006/7 there were 1.952 million passengers using Bolton station In 2007/8 there were 2.098 million passengers using Bolton station In 2008/9 there were 2.771 million passengers using Bolton station In 2009/10 there were 2.834 million passengers using Bolton station In 2010/11 there were 3.059 million passengers using Bolton station In 2011/12 there were 3.259 million passengers using Bolton station In 2012/13 there were 3.568 million passengers using Bolton station so a fraction of a drop in passengers (over Christmas and New year period) and to try out the new slow-express service and now realising its actually quicker on their "normal" route doesn't mean a thing - Northern and DfT are NOT doing their jobs properly and in doing so are actually putting people's lives at risk with this non-intervention! In February the 1718 from Oxford Road becomes the 1713 and number of coaches halved from 6 to 3 - and if you see that train come into Bolton everyday (at about 17:32) ALL 6 carriages are more than overfull with the majority of passengers getting off at Bolton! Also the First TPE train before the 1718 will be pick up in Bolton only and as such people will not be allowed to travel between Manchester and Bolton on it - so that is basically 2 trains less comes February!!!!! In May ALL Northern completely change their timetable with all services being re-timed so will we get a better service or a worse service - hopefully we should find out in the next month or so when they start advertising the new times!!!! BWFC71
  • Score: 14

2:10pm Wed 8 Jan 14

mollymalone86 says...

I used to commute via train everyday from bolton to salford crescent. There were many times were you could not get on a train and had to wait for the next one. I now opt to drive, it's cheaper, more comfortable and I'd rather wait in 35 minutes of traffic in the warmth than wait for the train which is always delayed and jam packed. I think these northern rail bosses need to use the service for a few days and then tell us it doesn't need extra carriages.
I used to commute via train everyday from bolton to salford crescent. There were many times were you could not get on a train and had to wait for the next one. I now opt to drive, it's cheaper, more comfortable and I'd rather wait in 35 minutes of traffic in the warmth than wait for the train which is always delayed and jam packed. I think these northern rail bosses need to use the service for a few days and then tell us it doesn't need extra carriages. mollymalone86
  • Score: 13

2:17pm Wed 8 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

When travelling to work I am taking photos, on a daily basis of the horrors I see aat Bolton station with people trying to catch the trains - or even when I am on the 7:59 taking photos of how crowded the train is when leaving Bolton and this is before picking up passengers at Moses Gate, Farnworth and Kearsley - so you can imagine how crammed the train is when it leaves Kearsley!!!!

These have no idea of the troubles we commuters see on a daily basis!!!
When travelling to work I am taking photos, on a daily basis of the horrors I see aat Bolton station with people trying to catch the trains - or even when I am on the 7:59 taking photos of how crowded the train is when leaving Bolton and this is before picking up passengers at Moses Gate, Farnworth and Kearsley - so you can imagine how crammed the train is when it leaves Kearsley!!!! These have no idea of the troubles we commuters see on a daily basis!!! BWFC71
  • Score: 14

2:43pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Jim271 says...

Suck it up, there's nothing you can do about it passengers is there. Keep paying the increases and getting a poor service.

Bit like life in general at the moment.
Suck it up, there's nothing you can do about it passengers is there. Keep paying the increases and getting a poor service. Bit like life in general at the moment. Jim271
  • Score: 1

3:03pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Reality50 says...

The fact is-and has been for a few years-that Bolton is seen as a backwater by the rail companies and has been downgraded in importance. Bolton has far less visitors these days than it used to due to its dirty grimy decaying infastructure and unwelcoming town centre and lack of facilities. Wigan,Preston,Stockp
ort are all seen as more important stations. Bolton sadly is seen as a lower to mid range stop on the rail network. The council and MP's are to blame as they didn't see it coming and now it's too late.You can't even get cheap advance saver tickets from Bolton nowadays. The ticket office at off peak times is barely or never manned yet go to Piccadilly and there is always 10 or 15 ticket staff in their booking office even at off peak times. All that so called investment on Bolton train station 2 years ago achieved what exactly? a couple of longer canopies and a couple of electronic train arrival and destination boards. In return we lost the booking office and the shop at the entrance. Still no cashpoints and the station is still unwelcoming and on the platforms resembles 1970's Eastern Europe.It is easy to blame Northern Rail or government but the real villains are Bolton Council and our ineffective MP's in the town.
The fact is-and has been for a few years-that Bolton is seen as a backwater by the rail companies and has been downgraded in importance. Bolton has far less visitors these days than it used to due to its dirty grimy decaying infastructure and unwelcoming town centre and lack of facilities. Wigan,Preston,Stockp ort are all seen as more important stations. Bolton sadly is seen as a lower to mid range stop on the rail network. The council and MP's are to blame as they didn't see it coming and now it's too late.You can't even get cheap advance saver tickets from Bolton nowadays. The ticket office at off peak times is barely or never manned yet go to Piccadilly and there is always 10 or 15 ticket staff in their booking office even at off peak times. All that so called investment on Bolton train station 2 years ago achieved what exactly? a couple of longer canopies and a couple of electronic train arrival and destination boards. In return we lost the booking office and the shop at the entrance. Still no cashpoints and the station is still unwelcoming and on the platforms resembles 1970's Eastern Europe.It is easy to blame Northern Rail or government but the real villains are Bolton Council and our ineffective MP's in the town. Reality50
  • Score: 20

3:44pm Wed 8 Jan 14

goldie47 says...

typical government toff statement.....numpty is probably driven to work daily in a chauffeur driven car
typical government toff statement.....numpty is probably driven to work daily in a chauffeur driven car goldie47
  • Score: 2

4:13pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Mike23 says...

So, the MP just states let me know then…

I find this sort of corporate behaviour an insult to hardworking people.
Why did Mr Cameron bother coming up to Bolton? Was it just for the photo because he clearly has no concerns whatsoever.

Well, when the government amends its anti social behaviour bill, I think it would be well within the remit to sue prospective mp's for causing a public nuisance whilst canvassing.

I think the employees who rely on this half baked service should consider discussing their working hours with their companies. If you can bring some of your own flexibility into how you travel, then it may ease the hassle of your journey.

I suggest this because the rail company will do nothing and the government or opposition mps will do nothing.

Just remember this when it comes to the election, you will know exactly what to do then.
So, the MP just states let me know then… I find this sort of corporate behaviour an insult to hardworking people. Why did Mr Cameron bother coming up to Bolton? Was it just for the photo because he clearly has no concerns whatsoever. Well, when the government amends its anti social behaviour bill, I think it would be well within the remit to sue prospective mp's for causing a public nuisance whilst canvassing. I think the employees who rely on this half baked service should consider discussing their working hours with their companies. If you can bring some of your own flexibility into how you travel, then it may ease the hassle of your journey. I suggest this because the rail company will do nothing and the government or opposition mps will do nothing. Just remember this when it comes to the election, you will know exactly what to do then. Mike23
  • Score: 3

4:20pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Mike23 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
When travelling to work I am taking photos, on a daily basis of the horrors I see aat Bolton station with people trying to catch the trains - or even when I am on the 7:59 taking photos of how crowded the train is when leaving Bolton and this is before picking up passengers at Moses Gate, Farnworth and Kearsley - so you can imagine how crammed the train is when it leaves Kearsley!!!!

These have no idea of the troubles we commuters see on a daily basis!!!
I used to travel into Manchester from Bolton in 1990, I always relied on a friend to save me a seat.
The sad thing is that the same rolling stock is still in use.

So, make as many photos as possible, and when you go off work with stress, health issues or god forbid injuries sustained in a rail crash, find yourself a good negligence lawyer and earn yourself a nice fat retirement payout.

You deserve it, for putting up with this blatant mistreatment. Its a public disgrace.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: When travelling to work I am taking photos, on a daily basis of the horrors I see aat Bolton station with people trying to catch the trains - or even when I am on the 7:59 taking photos of how crowded the train is when leaving Bolton and this is before picking up passengers at Moses Gate, Farnworth and Kearsley - so you can imagine how crammed the train is when it leaves Kearsley!!!! These have no idea of the troubles we commuters see on a daily basis!!![/p][/quote]I used to travel into Manchester from Bolton in 1990, I always relied on a friend to save me a seat. The sad thing is that the same rolling stock is still in use. So, make as many photos as possible, and when you go off work with stress, health issues or god forbid injuries sustained in a rail crash, find yourself a good negligence lawyer and earn yourself a nice fat retirement payout. You deserve it, for putting up with this blatant mistreatment. Its a public disgrace. Mike23
  • Score: 4

4:51pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Darren1951 says...

How about a mass protest one Monday morning during rush-hour? Everybody on the tracks to stop the trains running......give 'em something to think about!
How about a mass protest one Monday morning during rush-hour? Everybody on the tracks to stop the trains running......give 'em something to think about! Darren1951
  • Score: 8

7:00pm Wed 8 Jan 14

atlas123 says...

Mike23 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
When travelling to work I am taking photos, on a daily basis of the horrors I see aat Bolton station with people trying to catch the trains - or even when I am on the 7:59 taking photos of how crowded the train is when leaving Bolton and this is before picking up passengers at Moses Gate, Farnworth and Kearsley - so you can imagine how crammed the train is when it leaves Kearsley!!!!

These have no idea of the troubles we commuters see on a daily basis!!!
I used to travel into Manchester from Bolton in 1990, I always relied on a friend to save me a seat.
The sad thing is that the same rolling stock is still in use.

So, make as many photos as possible, and when you go off work with stress, health issues or god forbid injuries sustained in a rail crash, find yourself a good negligence lawyer and earn yourself a nice fat retirement payout.

You deserve it, for putting up with this blatant mistreatment. Its a public disgrace.
Nothing much wrong with the rolling stock, just not enough of it!!!
[quote][p][bold]Mike23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: When travelling to work I am taking photos, on a daily basis of the horrors I see aat Bolton station with people trying to catch the trains - or even when I am on the 7:59 taking photos of how crowded the train is when leaving Bolton and this is before picking up passengers at Moses Gate, Farnworth and Kearsley - so you can imagine how crammed the train is when it leaves Kearsley!!!! These have no idea of the troubles we commuters see on a daily basis!!![/p][/quote]I used to travel into Manchester from Bolton in 1990, I always relied on a friend to save me a seat. The sad thing is that the same rolling stock is still in use. So, make as many photos as possible, and when you go off work with stress, health issues or god forbid injuries sustained in a rail crash, find yourself a good negligence lawyer and earn yourself a nice fat retirement payout. You deserve it, for putting up with this blatant mistreatment. Its a public disgrace.[/p][/quote]Nothing much wrong with the rolling stock, just not enough of it!!! atlas123
  • Score: -4

7:17pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Frogger123 says...

Jim271 wrote:
Suck it up, there's nothing you can do about it passengers is there. Keep paying the increases and getting a poor service.

Bit like life in general at the moment.
What a joke! 7.35 from bolton is still severely over crowded. Yesterday we had to spill over into 1st class to get everyone on, everyone pushing and shoving as usual and even then it was absolutely rammed. I was tweeting TgFM and first transpennine to ask if they think this is acceptable - never ever get any replies. The reduction in carriages coming back from Manchester in Feb combined with removal of all car parking spaces in Bolton is going to push me to driving my gas guzzling car into the city centre every day.
Well done TfGMand northern rail you made it so unwelcoming and generally hard for me to travel on public transport you've turned me against public transport and put an extra vehicle unnecessarily on the road.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Suck it up, there's nothing you can do about it passengers is there. Keep paying the increases and getting a poor service. Bit like life in general at the moment.[/p][/quote]What a joke! 7.35 from bolton is still severely over crowded. Yesterday we had to spill over into 1st class to get everyone on, everyone pushing and shoving as usual and even then it was absolutely rammed. I was tweeting TgFM and first transpennine to ask if they think this is acceptable - never ever get any replies. The reduction in carriages coming back from Manchester in Feb combined with removal of all car parking spaces in Bolton is going to push me to driving my gas guzzling car into the city centre every day. Well done TfGMand northern rail you made it so unwelcoming and generally hard for me to travel on public transport you've turned me against public transport and put an extra vehicle unnecessarily on the road. Frogger123
  • Score: 2

7:17pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Frogger123 says...

Jim271 wrote:
Suck it up, there's nothing you can do about it passengers is there. Keep paying the increases and getting a poor service.

Bit like life in general at the moment.
What a joke! 7.35 from bolton is still severely over crowded. Yesterday we had to spill over into 1st class to get everyone on, everyone pushing and shoving as usual and even then it was absolutely rammed. I was tweeting TgFM and first transpennine to ask if they think this is acceptable - never ever get any replies. The reduction in carriages coming back from Manchester in Feb combined with removal of all car parking spaces in Bolton is going to push me to driving my gas guzzling car into the city centre every day.
Well done TfGMand northern rail you made it so unwelcoming and generally hard for me to travel on public transport you've turned me against public transport and put an extra vehicle unnecessarily on the road.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Suck it up, there's nothing you can do about it passengers is there. Keep paying the increases and getting a poor service. Bit like life in general at the moment.[/p][/quote]What a joke! 7.35 from bolton is still severely over crowded. Yesterday we had to spill over into 1st class to get everyone on, everyone pushing and shoving as usual and even then it was absolutely rammed. I was tweeting TgFM and first transpennine to ask if they think this is acceptable - never ever get any replies. The reduction in carriages coming back from Manchester in Feb combined with removal of all car parking spaces in Bolton is going to push me to driving my gas guzzling car into the city centre every day. Well done TfGMand northern rail you made it so unwelcoming and generally hard for me to travel on public transport you've turned me against public transport and put an extra vehicle unnecessarily on the road. Frogger123
  • Score: 0

7:18pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Frogger123 says...

Didn't mean to quote Jims comment - that was a mistake
Didn't mean to quote Jims comment - that was a mistake Frogger123
  • Score: 0

7:42pm Wed 8 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

atlas123 wrote:
Mike23 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
When travelling to work I am taking photos, on a daily basis of the horrors I see aat Bolton station with people trying to catch the trains - or even when I am on the 7:59 taking photos of how crowded the train is when leaving Bolton and this is before picking up passengers at Moses Gate, Farnworth and Kearsley - so you can imagine how crammed the train is when it leaves Kearsley!!!!

These have no idea of the troubles we commuters see on a daily basis!!!
I used to travel into Manchester from Bolton in 1990, I always relied on a friend to save me a seat.
The sad thing is that the same rolling stock is still in use.

So, make as many photos as possible, and when you go off work with stress, health issues or god forbid injuries sustained in a rail crash, find yourself a good negligence lawyer and earn yourself a nice fat retirement payout.

You deserve it, for putting up with this blatant mistreatment. Its a public disgrace.
Nothing much wrong with the rolling stock, just not enough of it!!!
Actually everything is wrong with it - not DDA compliant - not safe - doors tend to shudder open as trains pass the other way! Definitely not up to health and safety standard - hence why most HAVE to be withdrawn by 2019 - with no new trains ordered, yet (and time is passing by!!!!)
[quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: When travelling to work I am taking photos, on a daily basis of the horrors I see aat Bolton station with people trying to catch the trains - or even when I am on the 7:59 taking photos of how crowded the train is when leaving Bolton and this is before picking up passengers at Moses Gate, Farnworth and Kearsley - so you can imagine how crammed the train is when it leaves Kearsley!!!! These have no idea of the troubles we commuters see on a daily basis!!![/p][/quote]I used to travel into Manchester from Bolton in 1990, I always relied on a friend to save me a seat. The sad thing is that the same rolling stock is still in use. So, make as many photos as possible, and when you go off work with stress, health issues or god forbid injuries sustained in a rail crash, find yourself a good negligence lawyer and earn yourself a nice fat retirement payout. You deserve it, for putting up with this blatant mistreatment. Its a public disgrace.[/p][/quote]Nothing much wrong with the rolling stock, just not enough of it!!![/p][/quote]Actually everything is wrong with it - not DDA compliant - not safe - doors tend to shudder open as trains pass the other way! Definitely not up to health and safety standard - hence why most HAVE to be withdrawn by 2019 - with no new trains ordered, yet (and time is passing by!!!!) BWFC71
  • Score: 3

7:43pm Wed 8 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

Mike23 wrote:
So, the MP just states let me know then…

I find this sort of corporate behaviour an insult to hardworking people.
Why did Mr Cameron bother coming up to Bolton? Was it just for the photo because he clearly has no concerns whatsoever.

Well, when the government amends its anti social behaviour bill, I think it would be well within the remit to sue prospective mp's for causing a public nuisance whilst canvassing.

I think the employees who rely on this half baked service should consider discussing their working hours with their companies. If you can bring some of your own flexibility into how you travel, then it may ease the hassle of your journey.

I suggest this because the rail company will do nothing and the government or opposition mps will do nothing.

Just remember this when it comes to the election, you will know exactly what to do then.
But lets not forget that it was Labour that offered this franchise contract where no new rolling stock was allowed to be delivered or used on the franchise network!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Mike23[/bold] wrote: So, the MP just states let me know then… I find this sort of corporate behaviour an insult to hardworking people. Why did Mr Cameron bother coming up to Bolton? Was it just for the photo because he clearly has no concerns whatsoever. Well, when the government amends its anti social behaviour bill, I think it would be well within the remit to sue prospective mp's for causing a public nuisance whilst canvassing. I think the employees who rely on this half baked service should consider discussing their working hours with their companies. If you can bring some of your own flexibility into how you travel, then it may ease the hassle of your journey. I suggest this because the rail company will do nothing and the government or opposition mps will do nothing. Just remember this when it comes to the election, you will know exactly what to do then.[/p][/quote]But lets not forget that it was Labour that offered this franchise contract where no new rolling stock was allowed to be delivered or used on the franchise network!!!! BWFC71
  • Score: 4

9:13pm Wed 8 Jan 14

M.I.B. says...

If they are going to treat us like cattle, I think we should highlight their ignorance.

Moooooo, moooooo. moo? Mooo!
If they are going to treat us like cattle, I think we should highlight their ignorance. Moooooo, moooooo. moo? Mooo! M.I.B.
  • Score: -1

9:49pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Bwfc1992 says...

So between Wigan and Bolton passengers have dropped during Christmas when people have time off. Very clever northern rail.

Even in the world of TV even Michael Portillo had to stand on Wigan to Bolton train...
So between Wigan and Bolton passengers have dropped during Christmas when people have time off. Very clever northern rail. Even in the world of TV even Michael Portillo had to stand on Wigan to Bolton train... Bwfc1992
  • Score: 4

10:22pm Wed 8 Jan 14

thealexweb says...

Bwfc1992 wrote:
So between Wigan and Bolton passengers have dropped during Christmas when people have time off. Very clever northern rail.

Even in the world of TV even Michael Portillo had to stand on Wigan to Bolton train...
Notice something clever that Northern may have done. For most of the show whenever he boarded a service is was generally four car / or at least a superior class to a Pacer. Because you have to ask for permission to film in stations they knew he'd be there. When they cut to the helicopter shots the trains were generally small and older because Northern was unable to predict what would be filmed.
[quote][p][bold]Bwfc1992[/bold] wrote: So between Wigan and Bolton passengers have dropped during Christmas when people have time off. Very clever northern rail. Even in the world of TV even Michael Portillo had to stand on Wigan to Bolton train...[/p][/quote]Notice something clever that Northern may have done. For most of the show whenever he boarded a service is was generally four car / or at least a superior class to a Pacer. Because you have to ask for permission to film in stations they knew he'd be there. When they cut to the helicopter shots the trains were generally small and older because Northern was unable to predict what would be filmed. thealexweb
  • Score: 0

10:36pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Darren1951 says...

thealexweb wrote:
Bwfc1992 wrote: So between Wigan and Bolton passengers have dropped during Christmas when people have time off. Very clever northern rail. Even in the world of TV even Michael Portillo had to stand on Wigan to Bolton train...
Notice something clever that Northern may have done. For most of the show whenever he boarded a service is was generally four car / or at least a superior class to a Pacer. Because you have to ask for permission to film in stations they knew he'd be there. When they cut to the helicopter shots the trains were generally small and older because Northern was unable to predict what would be filmed.
On tonight's progamme (BBC2 - 18:30), he was shown getting off what looked like a 3-car, Blacpool - York unit at Pleasington. Pure fantasy, as that service doesn't actuall stop there!
[quote][p][bold]thealexweb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bwfc1992[/bold] wrote: So between Wigan and Bolton passengers have dropped during Christmas when people have time off. Very clever northern rail. Even in the world of TV even Michael Portillo had to stand on Wigan to Bolton train...[/p][/quote]Notice something clever that Northern may have done. For most of the show whenever he boarded a service is was generally four car / or at least a superior class to a Pacer. Because you have to ask for permission to film in stations they knew he'd be there. When they cut to the helicopter shots the trains were generally small and older because Northern was unable to predict what would be filmed.[/p][/quote]On tonight's progamme (BBC2 - 18:30), he was shown getting off what looked like a 3-car, Blacpool - York unit at Pleasington. Pure fantasy, as that service doesn't actuall stop there! Darren1951
  • Score: 1

9:18am Thu 9 Jan 14

Comment777 says...

Reality50 wrote:
The fact is-and has been for a few years-that Bolton is seen as a backwater by the rail companies and has been downgraded in importance. Bolton has far less visitors these days than it used to due to its dirty grimy decaying infastructure and unwelcoming town centre and lack of facilities. Wigan,Preston,Stockp

ort are all seen as more important stations. Bolton sadly is seen as a lower to mid range stop on the rail network. The council and MP's are to blame as they didn't see it coming and now it's too late.You can't even get cheap advance saver tickets from Bolton nowadays. The ticket office at off peak times is barely or never manned yet go to Piccadilly and there is always 10 or 15 ticket staff in their booking office even at off peak times. All that so called investment on Bolton train station 2 years ago achieved what exactly? a couple of longer canopies and a couple of electronic train arrival and destination boards. In return we lost the booking office and the shop at the entrance. Still no cashpoints and the station is still unwelcoming and on the platforms resembles 1970's Eastern Europe.It is easy to blame Northern Rail or government but the real villains are Bolton Council and our ineffective MP's in the town.
and none of the staff can not utter comprehensible sentences...
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: The fact is-and has been for a few years-that Bolton is seen as a backwater by the rail companies and has been downgraded in importance. Bolton has far less visitors these days than it used to due to its dirty grimy decaying infastructure and unwelcoming town centre and lack of facilities. Wigan,Preston,Stockp ort are all seen as more important stations. Bolton sadly is seen as a lower to mid range stop on the rail network. The council and MP's are to blame as they didn't see it coming and now it's too late.You can't even get cheap advance saver tickets from Bolton nowadays. The ticket office at off peak times is barely or never manned yet go to Piccadilly and there is always 10 or 15 ticket staff in their booking office even at off peak times. All that so called investment on Bolton train station 2 years ago achieved what exactly? a couple of longer canopies and a couple of electronic train arrival and destination boards. In return we lost the booking office and the shop at the entrance. Still no cashpoints and the station is still unwelcoming and on the platforms resembles 1970's Eastern Europe.It is easy to blame Northern Rail or government but the real villains are Bolton Council and our ineffective MP's in the town.[/p][/quote]and none of the staff can not utter comprehensible sentences... Comment777
  • Score: -2

3:48pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Charley_Lou515212 says...

I was on a train from Lostock to Manchester and it was awful. No room to even breathe. The guard wanted people to get off and wait for the Victoria train in another half an hour and most people wanted the stations between deansgate and Piccadilly. Ridiculous. There always seems to be another carriage on when the trains are at they quietest time but to take a train off every hour between blackpool and Manchester and to also remove extra carriages stinks if you ask me. One of the busiest routes in England and the government want more people to use public transport yet they take away services and carriages. Makes a lot of sense!
I was on a train from Lostock to Manchester and it was awful. No room to even breathe. The guard wanted people to get off and wait for the Victoria train in another half an hour and most people wanted the stations between deansgate and Piccadilly. Ridiculous. There always seems to be another carriage on when the trains are at they quietest time but to take a train off every hour between blackpool and Manchester and to also remove extra carriages stinks if you ask me. One of the busiest routes in England and the government want more people to use public transport yet they take away services and carriages. Makes a lot of sense! Charley_Lou515212
  • Score: 4

7:54pm Fri 10 Jan 14

harvey_s says...

I commute to Manchester every weekday, and I dread the day one of these trains de-rail or there's an accident. The chance of survival would be very close to nil.
I commute to Manchester every weekday, and I dread the day one of these trains de-rail or there's an accident. The chance of survival would be very close to nil. harvey_s
  • Score: 1

7:24am Sun 12 Jan 14

Justspeakingmymind says...

Don't get mad. Get even. Tweet Hammod directly with your pics.
@SHammondMP
Don't get mad. Get even. Tweet Hammod directly with your pics. @SHammondMP Justspeakingmymind
  • Score: 0

7:49pm Sun 12 Jan 14

davroduk says...

How do these people actually get the job that they are in ??
It cant be through brains or common sense.
Anyone with only half a brain can see that more carrages are needed.
How do these people actually get the job that they are in ?? It cant be through brains or common sense. Anyone with only half a brain can see that more carrages are needed. davroduk
  • Score: 0

12:34pm Mon 13 Jan 14

MarkAllRead says...

What's all this about Bolton's car park being closed?! Is that temporary or permanent?
What's all this about Bolton's car park being closed?! Is that temporary or permanent? MarkAllRead
  • Score: 0

2:55pm Mon 13 Jan 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

MarkAllRead wrote:
What's all this about Bolton's car park being closed?! Is that temporary or permanent?
Permanent. Network Rail are said to be re-opening platform 5 and thus the car park is going. There is only going to be 12 car park spaces for staff.
[quote][p][bold]MarkAllRead[/bold] wrote: What's all this about Bolton's car park being closed?! Is that temporary or permanent?[/p][/quote]Permanent. Network Rail are said to be re-opening platform 5 and thus the car park is going. There is only going to be 12 car park spaces for staff. FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 0

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