Teachers' strike will close more than half of Bolton's schools

The Bolton News: Teachers' strike will close more than half of Bolton's schools Teachers' strike will close more than half of Bolton's schools

MORE than half of schools in Bolton will close tomorrow (WED) as teachers walk out in protest against the coalition government’s “attack” on education.

Striking teachers will gather outside Bolton Sixth Form College tomorrow morning before members of the National Union of Teachers (NUT) make their way to a mass rally in Manchester.

Julia Simpkins, secretary of Bolton NUT, said teachers were taking this action to “stand up for education”.

The union says government policies “threaten the standard of education” in schools.

She added: “We were in town on Saturday distributing leaflets to parents explaining why we are taking this action.

“The vast majority of people we spoke to were really supportive.”

In Bolton 43 school will be shut with another 29 partially closed.

Ms Simpkins said: “It is very hard for teachers to take this action, teaching is a vocation and the people who come into teaching do it because they want to make a difference.

“The message we want to send out is to the government to enter into meaningful talks.

“The workload of teachers is increasing but it is nothing to do with teaching, they are having to complete paperwork for Ofsted and compile statistics.

”Teachers are being pitted against other teachers, unqualified teachers are being allowed to teach, which is teaching on the cheap. We have always had a two tier education system and now they want to run it down and have it on the cheap.

”The message is — our children deserve better.”

Headteachers say the decision to close or partially shut a school is made in the interests of children’s well-being and not in sympathy with the strike — and stressed the action was not against schools but a dispute with the government.

Letters outlining a school’s decision to open, shut or partially open have been sent out to parents.

Headteacher at Harper Green School in Farnworth, Andrew Foster, said: “Parents want their children — and pupils want — to be in school learning and achieving.

“Headteachers have a responsibility to health and safety and well-being of their young people and it is this which decides whether a school is open or shut.”

Some schools, such as Harper Green, will be able to open just for final year students.

Mr Foster said: “This is a critically important time for them leading up to exams and we are able to support them — but I cannot look after 1,350 children.”

There are about 1,646 teachers who are members of the NUT in Bolton.

Bolton’s education chief Cllr Kevin McKeon, who teaches Religious Studies part-time at a secondary school in Liverpool, will be joining colleagues for the Manchester rally.

Cllr McKeon, Bolton Council’s cabinet member for schools, said: “As teachers we come to do the very best for our students, to strike is a last resort but we feel as a body that the government are imposing unnecessary changes in terms and condition and are also imposing oppressive changes to the curriculum and to accountability, which we feel ultimately will damage our children.

“The strike is to draw the government’s attention to our concerns and the government not having meaningful dialogue.”

Cllr Martyn Cox, vice-chairman of Bolton Council’s children’s services scrutiny committee, said teachers risked damaging their reputation by taking strike action.

He added: “I have a lot of respect for teachers and do not want to see that happen, but there seems to be no clear reason for this action, they seem to be very general reasons.

“The action will make no difference on pay, the Labour Party has said that they will not be raising public sector pay, and there are a lot of people in the different industries whose earnings are not going up.

“If it is about Ofsted needing fundamental reform, then I agree with them but they should go through the process and lobby for reform.”

Cllr Cox said that public sector pensions as they stood were unsustainable and were placing an “unfair” burden on the tax payer and needed reform — but added that teachers’ pensions “remain generous and better” than anything available in the private sector.

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10:33am Tue 25 Mar 14

breightmet kid says...

Will the striking teachers be fined for not providing education to our children in accordance with the Education Act?
Will the striking teachers be fined for not providing education to our children in accordance with the Education Act? breightmet kid
  • Score: 17

10:36am Tue 25 Mar 14

marco999 says...

Great, I'm looking forward to quiet roads in the morning that aren't clogged up with indulgent mum's in big MPv's ferrying their fat offspring to the school gates.
Great, I'm looking forward to quiet roads in the morning that aren't clogged up with indulgent mum's in big MPv's ferrying their fat offspring to the school gates. marco999
  • Score: 34

10:45am Tue 25 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.
Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements. thomas222
  • Score: 5

10:50am Tue 25 Mar 14

atlas123 says...

If the teachers do all this unpaid extra curricular work (and i dont mean between the bed sheets) then perhaps a work to rule might be a better method of protesting...
If the teachers do all this unpaid extra curricular work (and i dont mean between the bed sheets) then perhaps a work to rule might be a better method of protesting... atlas123
  • Score: -8

11:48am Tue 25 Mar 14

underwater says...

Disgusted, they should be ashamed of themselves, its a very bad example to set for the children.
Disgusted, they should be ashamed of themselves, its a very bad example to set for the children. underwater
  • Score: -12

11:57am Tue 25 Mar 14

Rememberscarborough says...

breightmet kid wrote:
Will the striking teachers be fined for not providing education to our children in accordance with the Education Act?
More importantly will we be fined if we take our kids out for a one day holiday to say Blackpool....
[quote][p][bold]breightmet kid[/bold] wrote: Will the striking teachers be fined for not providing education to our children in accordance with the Education Act?[/p][/quote]More importantly will we be fined if we take our kids out for a one day holiday to say Blackpool.... Rememberscarborough
  • Score: 13

12:30pm Tue 25 Mar 14

twowok says...

Good luck to them, its good to see someone cares about our children's future, because Gove obviously doesn't.
Good luck to them, its good to see someone cares about our children's future, because Gove obviously doesn't. twowok
  • Score: 10

2:22pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Iluminati says...

Teaching on the cheap? Unqualified teachers causing havoc? The action is not against the school , but against government? Oppressive interference in changes to the curriculum ? What a lot of tosh. The reality is that at last we have an education secretary who can't be fooled and knows the ropes.
Teaching on the cheap? Unqualified teachers causing havoc? The action is not against the school , but against government? Oppressive interference in changes to the curriculum ? What a lot of tosh. The reality is that at last we have an education secretary who can't be fooled and knows the ropes. Iluminati
  • Score: -12

2:23pm Tue 25 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

breightmet kid wrote:
Will the striking teachers be fined for not providing education to our children in accordance with the Education Act?
Yes they do NOT get paid for taking strike action, which is about the same a a fine as what parents have to pay for each individual day they are not in school!!!!

You really don't know the law when it comes to strike action, right?
[quote][p][bold]breightmet kid[/bold] wrote: Will the striking teachers be fined for not providing education to our children in accordance with the Education Act?[/p][/quote]Yes they do NOT get paid for taking strike action, which is about the same a a fine as what parents have to pay for each individual day they are not in school!!!! You really don't know the law when it comes to strike action, right? BWFC71
  • Score: -4

2:32pm Tue 25 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.
70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc

Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!!

Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend

Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves?

So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.[/p][/quote]70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits? BWFC71
  • Score: -8

2:50pm Tue 25 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.
70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?
two of my mates wives are teachers dont make me giggle. Best job in the world so they say. Not many leave is there?
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.[/p][/quote]70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?[/p][/quote]two of my mates wives are teachers dont make me giggle. Best job in the world so they say. Not many leave is there? thomas222
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2:52pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Reality50 says...

There is no place for left wing union militancy these days and time the NUT realised it is 2014 not 1979.
There is no place for left wing union militancy these days and time the NUT realised it is 2014 not 1979. Reality50
  • Score: -4

3:28pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Jim271 says...

The Government will ship in teachers from abroad to replace them at half the price,
The Government will ship in teachers from abroad to replace them at half the price, Jim271
  • Score: -9

3:31pm Tue 25 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.
70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?
two of my mates wives are teachers dont make me giggle. Best job in the world so they say. Not many leave is there?
Quite a lot do leave because they don't actually realise how much of ones life is taken over by the profession. From dropping their own children off at child minders just after 7 am to get to school for before-school activities to after-school activities and then picking their children up from child minders between 630pm and 7pm! And then when get home there is the marking of over 300 separate pieces of work and each one of variable ability so one size fits all does not apply! then of course there are the lesson plans, individual lesson plans, lesson reviews, individual reviews, reports, preparation (making sure what they teach is within the Government guidelines and part of the curriculum that the Governments sets, which changes on a yearly basis.


But to be fair, it is the best job in the world to teach children, see them grow, see them learn and knowing in the fact that the teachers have helped to develop children into the best adults with fantastic futures, and that the children can decide for themselves what they want to do with their lives with the success of what they have been taught off the teachers!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.[/p][/quote]70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?[/p][/quote]two of my mates wives are teachers dont make me giggle. Best job in the world so they say. Not many leave is there?[/p][/quote]Quite a lot do leave because they don't actually realise how much of ones life is taken over by the profession. From dropping their own children off at child minders just after 7 am to get to school for before-school activities to after-school activities and then picking their children up from child minders between 630pm and 7pm! And then when get home there is the marking of over 300 separate pieces of work and each one of variable ability so one size fits all does not apply! then of course there are the lesson plans, individual lesson plans, lesson reviews, individual reviews, reports, preparation (making sure what they teach is within the Government guidelines and part of the curriculum that the Governments sets, which changes on a yearly basis. But to be fair, it is the best job in the world to teach children, see them grow, see them learn and knowing in the fact that the teachers have helped to develop children into the best adults with fantastic futures, and that the children can decide for themselves what they want to do with their lives with the success of what they have been taught off the teachers! BWFC71
  • Score: -39

3:35pm Tue 25 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Jim271 wrote:
The Government will ship in teachers from abroad to replace them at half the price,
No they can't because they would have to train the teachers on Key ages and the various curriculum and to be a teacher a certain standard has to be set - and lets not forget that the government, nor the local government choose teachers for their schools but PARENTS do via the PTA's! And if you were on a PTA, would you want a foreign teacher to come in and teach your children?

As it is there are only 10 countries, in the world, that pay their teachers worse than what we do and they are non-English speaking.

Could you teach an 11 year, in top end of primary school, quadratic equations and make sure they know inside out how and what they are, or what about teaching French to a class of between 35 and 40 pupils?
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: The Government will ship in teachers from abroad to replace them at half the price,[/p][/quote]No they can't because they would have to train the teachers on Key ages and the various curriculum and to be a teacher a certain standard has to be set - and lets not forget that the government, nor the local government choose teachers for their schools but PARENTS do via the PTA's! And if you were on a PTA, would you want a foreign teacher to come in and teach your children? As it is there are only 10 countries, in the world, that pay their teachers worse than what we do and they are non-English speaking. Could you teach an 11 year, in top end of primary school, quadratic equations and make sure they know inside out how and what they are, or what about teaching French to a class of between 35 and 40 pupils? BWFC71
  • Score: -29

3:38pm Tue 25 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

There again, all those moaning about teachers and striking etc etc etc I bet they would rather see the profession privatised!!!

If they did the exact same people would moan again considering the average price to teach a child in the Private sector is about £7,500 (Bolton school is about £10,250 per school year whilst Lords is about £5,700 per school year) - excluding meals, books, text books, pens, paper and most importantly excludes the uniform! Plus the schools would be very selective on who they would let in and what would happen to children without a school?
There again, all those moaning about teachers and striking etc etc etc I bet they would rather see the profession privatised!!! If they did the exact same people would moan again considering the average price to teach a child in the Private sector is about £7,500 (Bolton school is about £10,250 per school year whilst Lords is about £5,700 per school year) - excluding meals, books, text books, pens, paper and most importantly excludes the uniform! Plus the schools would be very selective on who they would let in and what would happen to children without a school? BWFC71
  • Score: -7

3:42pm Tue 25 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Reality50 wrote:
There is no place for left wing union militancy these days and time the NUT realised it is 2014 not 1979.
Yes there is - I bet you were one of the children that were affected by successful teachers strikes during the mid 1980's,like you and I were - but funnily enough it seems to have done no harm in our education!!!!

Or hat about the teachers strikes in the 1990's or 2000's and then lets look at other professions such as railways, office workers, medical staff.

It is not illegal, nor should it be illegal, to have a strike as it gives credence to having the right to express. Making strikes illegal means that a further small bit of freedom is taken away from its citizens!!!
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: There is no place for left wing union militancy these days and time the NUT realised it is 2014 not 1979.[/p][/quote]Yes there is - I bet you were one of the children that were affected by successful teachers strikes during the mid 1980's,like you and I were - but funnily enough it seems to have done no harm in our education!!!! Or hat about the teachers strikes in the 1990's or 2000's and then lets look at other professions such as railways, office workers, medical staff. It is not illegal, nor should it be illegal, to have a strike as it gives credence to having the right to express. Making strikes illegal means that a further small bit of freedom is taken away from its citizens!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -23

3:56pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Beyond News Forum says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.
70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc

Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!!

Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend

Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves?

So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?
Good for them - their choice was an academic one.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.[/p][/quote]70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?[/p][/quote]Good for them - their choice was an academic one. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 0

3:56pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Beyond News Forum says...

I'm sending an invoice to the school for a days lost pay and/or childcare costs... Fail to pay and I will send a court order and costs. Fail to pay and that will be a CCJ.

Thumbs up anyone else?
I'm sending an invoice to the school for a days lost pay and/or childcare costs... Fail to pay and I will send a court order and costs. Fail to pay and that will be a CCJ. Thumbs up anyone else? Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -12

4:07pm Tue 25 Mar 14

lv8151 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.
70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc

Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!!

Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend

Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves?

So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?
if they work such long hours why dont they just work to rule ..... it would get the point across and the kids parents would not be affected by the teachers striking ..... this would also win the backing of most parents ...... but oh no ..... the teachers want to cause as much disruption as they can .... WORK TO RULE is the way to go
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.[/p][/quote]70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?[/p][/quote]if they work such long hours why dont they just work to rule ..... it would get the point across and the kids parents would not be affected by the teachers striking ..... this would also win the backing of most parents ...... but oh no ..... the teachers want to cause as much disruption as they can .... WORK TO RULE is the way to go lv8151
  • Score: 3

4:16pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Beyond News Forum says...

lv8151 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.
70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc

Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!!

Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend

Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves?

So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?
if they work such long hours why dont they just work to rule ..... it would get the point across and the kids parents would not be affected by the teachers striking ..... this would also win the backing of most parents ...... but oh no ..... the teachers want to cause as much disruption as they can .... WORK TO RULE is the way to go
Agreed lv8151 - there is a law for a reason.
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.[/p][/quote]70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?[/p][/quote]if they work such long hours why dont they just work to rule ..... it would get the point across and the kids parents would not be affected by the teachers striking ..... this would also win the backing of most parents ...... but oh no ..... the teachers want to cause as much disruption as they can .... WORK TO RULE is the way to go[/p][/quote]Agreed lv8151 - there is a law for a reason. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -1

4:31pm Tue 25 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
There again, all those moaning about teachers and striking etc etc etc I bet they would rather see the profession privatised!!! If they did the exact same people would moan again considering the average price to teach a child in the Private sector is about £7,500 (Bolton school is about £10,250 per school year whilst Lords is about £5,700 per school year) - excluding meals, books, text books, pens, paper and most importantly excludes the uniform! Plus the schools would be very selective on who they would let in and what would happen to children without a school?
Abolish tuition fees. give grants not loans
proper skills training & appreticships.
allow coucils to create new grammar schools
schooling that reflects pupils ability. academic or skills based.
Did you forger to answer what i asked. What are the front line actions that would be implemented on the party leaflets you have had delivered & why want to go to a country like ozzie where they employ a points based system to control their borders you so despise by ukip wanting the same system here ?
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: There again, all those moaning about teachers and striking etc etc etc I bet they would rather see the profession privatised!!! If they did the exact same people would moan again considering the average price to teach a child in the Private sector is about £7,500 (Bolton school is about £10,250 per school year whilst Lords is about £5,700 per school year) - excluding meals, books, text books, pens, paper and most importantly excludes the uniform! Plus the schools would be very selective on who they would let in and what would happen to children without a school?[/p][/quote]Abolish tuition fees. give grants not loans proper skills training & appreticships. allow coucils to create new grammar schools schooling that reflects pupils ability. academic or skills based. Did you forger to answer what i asked. What are the front line actions that would be implemented on the party leaflets you have had delivered & why want to go to a country like ozzie where they employ a points based system to control their borders you so despise by ukip wanting the same system here ? thomas222
  • Score: -2

4:33pm Tue 25 Mar 14

owencoyle99 says...

thomas222 wrote:
Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.
Yes but most people have not got a degree or spent £30,000 to get one or even not capable of getting a degree
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.[/p][/quote]Yes but most people have not got a degree or spent £30,000 to get one or even not capable of getting a degree owencoyle99
  • Score: 13

4:38pm Tue 25 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

owencoyle99 wrote:
thomas222 wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.
Yes but most people have not got a degree or spent £30,000 to get one or even not capable of getting a degree
How many teachers today have paid £ 300000. The ones in the future who do, pay it back over many years at a very low level. There are teachers now being employed with no university education or any experience or teacher training.
[quote][p][bold]owencoyle99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.[/p][/quote]Yes but most people have not got a degree or spent £30,000 to get one or even not capable of getting a degree[/p][/quote]How many teachers today have paid £ 300000. The ones in the future who do, pay it back over many years at a very low level. There are teachers now being employed with no university education or any experience or teacher training. thomas222
  • Score: -6

7:01pm Tue 25 Mar 14

lindlandl says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.
70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?
two of my mates wives are teachers dont make me giggle. Best job in the world so they say. Not many leave is there?
Actually at last count (last week) 73% of LEAs reported a shortage of teachers, with half saying this was 'severe' and more than 40% of teachers leave the profession within 5 years.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.[/p][/quote]70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?[/p][/quote]two of my mates wives are teachers dont make me giggle. Best job in the world so they say. Not many leave is there?[/p][/quote]Actually at last count (last week) 73% of LEAs reported a shortage of teachers, with half saying this was 'severe' and more than 40% of teachers leave the profession within 5 years. lindlandl
  • Score: 12

7:06pm Tue 25 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
owencoyle99 wrote:
thomas222 wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.
Yes but most people have not got a degree or spent £30,000 to get one or even not capable of getting a degree
How many teachers today have paid £ 300000. The ones in the future who do, pay it back over many years at a very low level. There are teachers now being employed with no university education or any experience or teacher training.
No there is not!!!!

To be a teacher you need a BEd or PGCE.

Only the private sector and Academies employ people with no teaching qualifications and guess what, they are failing the Ofsted report. In fact one private company that operates a few academies that do not have qualified teachers have been told they cannot take over or create any more schools until their current teachers either gain qualifications or are replaced by qualified teachers (and that was mentioned on the national news only last week)

To be the best teacher one needs the qualifications and that means paying for an education which currently is about £36,000 for the BEd course - which is paid back over a 15 year period, including interest, via income tax - therefore it is not paid over many years at a very low level (basically without interest one would be paying £200/month in extra income tax to pay off the loan)
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owencoyle99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.[/p][/quote]Yes but most people have not got a degree or spent £30,000 to get one or even not capable of getting a degree[/p][/quote]How many teachers today have paid £ 300000. The ones in the future who do, pay it back over many years at a very low level. There are teachers now being employed with no university education or any experience or teacher training.[/p][/quote]No there is not!!!! To be a teacher you need a BEd or PGCE. Only the private sector and Academies employ people with no teaching qualifications and guess what, they are failing the Ofsted report. In fact one private company that operates a few academies that do not have qualified teachers have been told they cannot take over or create any more schools until their current teachers either gain qualifications or are replaced by qualified teachers (and that was mentioned on the national news only last week) To be the best teacher one needs the qualifications and that means paying for an education which currently is about £36,000 for the BEd course - which is paid back over a 15 year period, including interest, via income tax - therefore it is not paid over many years at a very low level (basically without interest one would be paying £200/month in extra income tax to pay off the loan) BWFC71
  • Score: -6

7:15pm Tue 25 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
I'm sending an invoice to the school for a days lost pay and/or childcare costs... Fail to pay and I will send a court order and costs. Fail to pay and that will be a CCJ. Thumbs up anyone else?
As teachers do not get paid for strike action then a days school is NOT lost!

Chiildcare is not the schools decision to use but your own, therefore you either pay for it or not.. It is not the school or teachers fault that you have to use them..

Was you education suffered because of the number of strikes during the mid 1980's? And how did your parents cope whilst the teachers went on strike? Now stop acting soft and appreciate what you have, because if schools do become private would you be prepared to fork out an average of £7,500per school year excluding uniforms, books, meals etc etc etc nad then teachers will still be able strike if the company they work for messes them about!!!

Therefore no court of law would uphold any of your claims.
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: I'm sending an invoice to the school for a days lost pay and/or childcare costs... Fail to pay and I will send a court order and costs. Fail to pay and that will be a CCJ. Thumbs up anyone else?[/p][/quote]As teachers do not get paid for strike action then a days school is NOT lost! Chiildcare is not the schools decision to use but your own, therefore you either pay for it or not.. It is not the school or teachers fault that you have to use them.. Was you education suffered because of the number of strikes during the mid 1980's? And how did your parents cope whilst the teachers went on strike? Now stop acting soft and appreciate what you have, because if schools do become private would you be prepared to fork out an average of £7,500per school year excluding uniforms, books, meals etc etc etc nad then teachers will still be able strike if the company they work for messes them about!!! Therefore no court of law would uphold any of your claims. BWFC71
  • Score: -3

7:19pm Tue 25 Mar 14

tinypet says...

breightmet kid wrote:
Will the striking teachers be fined for not providing education to our children in accordance with the Education Act?
nope, one rule for them and another for us lot.
[quote][p][bold]breightmet kid[/bold] wrote: Will the striking teachers be fined for not providing education to our children in accordance with the Education Act?[/p][/quote]nope, one rule for them and another for us lot. tinypet
  • Score: 0

7:56pm Tue 25 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

lindlandl wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.
70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?
two of my mates wives are teachers dont make me giggle. Best job in the world so they say. Not many leave is there?
Actually at last count (last week) 73% of LEAs reported a shortage of teachers, with half saying this was 'severe' and more than 40% of teachers leave the profession within 5 years.
Who Is LEAs by the way & can you answer my questions please otherwise your credibility is shot..... Yet again.
[quote][p][bold]lindlandl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.[/p][/quote]70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?[/p][/quote]two of my mates wives are teachers dont make me giggle. Best job in the world so they say. Not many leave is there?[/p][/quote]Actually at last count (last week) 73% of LEAs reported a shortage of teachers, with half saying this was 'severe' and more than 40% of teachers leave the profession within 5 years.[/p][/quote]Who Is LEAs by the way & can you answer my questions please otherwise your credibility is shot..... Yet again. thomas222
  • Score: -6

8:19pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Janbur says...

owencoyle99 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.
Yes but most people have not got a degree or spent £30,000 to get one or even not capable of getting a degree
what about the nurses,police,pramed
ics,these are capable of getting a degree and they have more responsibilities than teachers
[quote][p][bold]owencoyle99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.[/p][/quote]Yes but most people have not got a degree or spent £30,000 to get one or even not capable of getting a degree[/p][/quote]what about the nurses,police,pramed ics,these are capable of getting a degree and they have more responsibilities than teachers Janbur
  • Score: 3

8:22pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Janbur says...

I don't think it needed all the teachers to demonstrate they could have left some in the classroom,or do the students not matter
I don't think it needed all the teachers to demonstrate they could have left some in the classroom,or do the students not matter Janbur
  • Score: 0

8:24pm Tue 25 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

Janbur wrote:
owencoyle99 wrote:
thomas222 wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.
Yes but most people have not got a degree or spent £30,000 to get one or even not capable of getting a degree
what about the nurses,police,pramed ics,these are capable of getting a degree and they have more responsibilities than teachers
They screamed the most.. easy using kids as the battering ram...... Not now people realise they are well looked after.
[quote][p][bold]Janbur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owencoyle99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.[/p][/quote]Yes but most people have not got a degree or spent £30,000 to get one or even not capable of getting a degree[/p][/quote]what about the nurses,police,pramed ics,these are capable of getting a degree and they have more responsibilities than teachers[/p][/quote]They screamed the most.. easy using kids as the battering ram...... Not now people realise they are well looked after. thomas222
  • Score: -1

9:17pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Ernagy2 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
There again, all those moaning about teachers and striking etc etc etc I bet they would rather see the profession privatised!!! If they did the exact same people would moan again considering the average price to teach a child in the Private sector is about £7,500 (Bolton school is about £10,250 per school year whilst Lords is about £5,700 per school year) - excluding meals, books, text books, pens, paper and most importantly excludes the uniform! Plus the schools would be very selective on who they would let in and what would happen to children without a school?
Abolish tuition fees. give grants not loans
proper skills training & appreticships.
allow coucils to create new grammar schools
schooling that reflects pupils ability. academic or skills based.
Did you forger to answer what i asked. What are the front line actions that would be implemented on the party leaflets you have had delivered & why want to go to a country like ozzie where they employ a points based system to control their borders you so despise by ukip wanting the same system here ?
Don't agree with grants or loans. Why should workers without a degree pay for others to have one? Then they swan off to the USA so no benefit to the country anyway. No let them pay an extra 2 pence income tax. Grants only encourage students to doss around and also don't address the fundamental problem of poor teaching in our colleges and universities
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: There again, all those moaning about teachers and striking etc etc etc I bet they would rather see the profession privatised!!! If they did the exact same people would moan again considering the average price to teach a child in the Private sector is about £7,500 (Bolton school is about £10,250 per school year whilst Lords is about £5,700 per school year) - excluding meals, books, text books, pens, paper and most importantly excludes the uniform! Plus the schools would be very selective on who they would let in and what would happen to children without a school?[/p][/quote]Abolish tuition fees. give grants not loans proper skills training & appreticships. allow coucils to create new grammar schools schooling that reflects pupils ability. academic or skills based. Did you forger to answer what i asked. What are the front line actions that would be implemented on the party leaflets you have had delivered & why want to go to a country like ozzie where they employ a points based system to control their borders you so despise by ukip wanting the same system here ?[/p][/quote]Don't agree with grants or loans. Why should workers without a degree pay for others to have one? Then they swan off to the USA so no benefit to the country anyway. No let them pay an extra 2 pence income tax. Grants only encourage students to doss around and also don't address the fundamental problem of poor teaching in our colleges and universities Ernagy2
  • Score: -2

9:43pm Tue 25 Mar 14

tillyflop53 says...

How many of the people making these negative comments actually know how much these teachers do for their kids?? and how much teaching impacts on their lives? stop whinging and support teachers they do a good job educating kids despite numpties like gove trying to ruin education.
How many of the people making these negative comments actually know how much these teachers do for their kids?? and how much teaching impacts on their lives? stop whinging and support teachers they do a good job educating kids despite numpties like gove trying to ruin education. tillyflop53
  • Score: 9

10:14pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Brumas says...

Thank goodness some people are squaring up to the Government, most when told to jump don't ask why, they say how high. That includes Bolton MBC.
Thank goodness some people are squaring up to the Government, most when told to jump don't ask why, they say how high. That includes Bolton MBC. Brumas
  • Score: 7

11:29pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Blackrod says...

Janbur wrote:
owencoyle99 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.
Yes but most people have not got a degree or spent £30,000 to get one or even not capable of getting a degree
what about the nurses,police,pramed

ics,these are capable of getting a degree and they have more responsibilities than teachers
Nurses can't strike for their very poor offer. Nurses have also, with a lot of others, had to take a day off to look after kids. Agency staff had to be brought in. The cost of this strike to tax payer and patients served isn't highlighted. Sure is will be seen in many services.
[quote][p][bold]Janbur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owencoyle99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.[/p][/quote]Yes but most people have not got a degree or spent £30,000 to get one or even not capable of getting a degree[/p][/quote]what about the nurses,police,pramed ics,these are capable of getting a degree and they have more responsibilities than teachers[/p][/quote]Nurses can't strike for their very poor offer. Nurses have also, with a lot of others, had to take a day off to look after kids. Agency staff had to be brought in. The cost of this strike to tax payer and patients served isn't highlighted. Sure is will be seen in many services. Blackrod
  • Score: 2

9:28am Wed 26 Mar 14

tillyflop53 says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
I'm sending an invoice to the school for a days lost pay and/or childcare costs... Fail to pay and I will send a court order and costs. Fail to pay and that will be a CCJ.

Thumbs up anyone else?
good luck with that :( just take your kids out of school and teach them yourself if your arent happy! Such a ridiculous thing to say.
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: I'm sending an invoice to the school for a days lost pay and/or childcare costs... Fail to pay and I will send a court order and costs. Fail to pay and that will be a CCJ. Thumbs up anyone else?[/p][/quote]good luck with that :( just take your kids out of school and teach them yourself if your arent happy! Such a ridiculous thing to say. tillyflop53
  • Score: 5

9:38am Wed 26 Mar 14

oftbewildered2 says...

talking about people having to take time off work in order to care for their offspring - by this time of the year, most people will have taken up their annual leave entitlement, so if they do take time off, it will be unpaid. And if there are several parents working in one department, will they all be allowed to take time off? Quite apart from the inconvenience to parents, this strike could have an impact on commerce/industry
talking about people having to take time off work in order to care for their offspring - by this time of the year, most people will have taken up their annual leave entitlement, so if they do take time off, it will be unpaid. And if there are several parents working in one department, will they all be allowed to take time off? Quite apart from the inconvenience to parents, this strike could have an impact on commerce/industry oftbewildered2
  • Score: 0

12:46pm Wed 26 Mar 14

owencoyle99 says...

thomas222 wrote:
Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.
yes but most people are note capable of getting a degree or spending £30,000 to go to university
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.[/p][/quote]yes but most people are note capable of getting a degree or spending £30,000 to go to university owencoyle99
  • Score: 0

12:54pm Wed 26 Mar 14

owencoyle99 says...

Janbur wrote:
owencoyle99 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.
Yes but most people have not got a degree or spent £30,000 to get one or even not capable of getting a degree
what about the nurses,police,pramed

ics,these are capable of getting a degree and they have more responsibilities than teachers
then get a degree and spend £30,000 then you have a chance being a teacher
[quote][p][bold]Janbur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owencoyle99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.[/p][/quote]Yes but most people have not got a degree or spent £30,000 to get one or even not capable of getting a degree[/p][/quote]what about the nurses,police,pramed ics,these are capable of getting a degree and they have more responsibilities than teachers[/p][/quote]then get a degree and spend £30,000 then you have a chance being a teacher owencoyle99
  • Score: 1

3:06pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Donkey Stone says...

Brumas wrote:
Thank goodness some people are squaring up to the Government, most when told to jump don't ask why, they say how high. That includes Bolton MBC.
Right on the button. People are just so used to saying yes these days, they seem to think saying no is some sort of crime.
[quote][p][bold]Brumas[/bold] wrote: Thank goodness some people are squaring up to the Government, most when told to jump don't ask why, they say how high. That includes Bolton MBC.[/p][/quote]Right on the button. People are just so used to saying yes these days, they seem to think saying no is some sort of crime. Donkey Stone
  • Score: 8

3:09pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Donkey Stone says...

underwater wrote:
Disgusted, they should be ashamed of themselves, its a very bad example to set for the children.
We don't want people standing up for themselves do we?
[quote][p][bold]underwater[/bold] wrote: Disgusted, they should be ashamed of themselves, its a very bad example to set for the children.[/p][/quote]We don't want people standing up for themselves do we? Donkey Stone
  • Score: 5

7:19pm Wed 26 Mar 14

fatboybwfc says...

twowok wrote:
Good luck to them, its good to see someone cares about our children's future, because Gove obviously doesn't.
rubbish if they don't like it get another job bone idle teachers
[quote][p][bold]twowok[/bold] wrote: Good luck to them, its good to see someone cares about our children's future, because Gove obviously doesn't.[/p][/quote]rubbish if they don't like it get another job bone idle teachers fatboybwfc
  • Score: -4

7:22pm Wed 26 Mar 14

fatboybwfc says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.
70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?
two of my mates wives are teachers dont make me giggle. Best job in the world so they say. Not many leave is there?
I live next door to a deputy head don't talk rubbish,try self employment for 7o hrs a week
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.[/p][/quote]70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?[/p][/quote]two of my mates wives are teachers dont make me giggle. Best job in the world so they say. Not many leave is there?[/p][/quote]I live next door to a deputy head don't talk rubbish,try self employment for 7o hrs a week fatboybwfc
  • Score: -1

11:55pm Wed 26 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

fatboybwfc wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.
70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?
two of my mates wives are teachers dont make me giggle. Best job in the world so they say. Not many leave is there?
I live next door to a deputy head don't talk rubbish,try self employment for 7o hrs a week
Has he left or is he still putting up with the pay bad hours & nice long holidays yet ?. Tell me any other industry that gets the same pay & the same pensions.
[quote][p][bold]fatboybwfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.[/p][/quote]70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?[/p][/quote]two of my mates wives are teachers dont make me giggle. Best job in the world so they say. Not many leave is there?[/p][/quote]I live next door to a deputy head don't talk rubbish,try self employment for 7o hrs a week[/p][/quote]Has he left or is he still putting up with the pay bad hours & nice long holidays yet ?. Tell me any other industry that gets the same pay & the same pensions. thomas222
  • Score: -3

8:22am Thu 27 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
fatboybwfc wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.
70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?
two of my mates wives are teachers dont make me giggle. Best job in the world so they say. Not many leave is there?
I live next door to a deputy head don't talk rubbish,try self employment for 7o hrs a week
Has he left or is he still putting up with the pay bad hours & nice long holidays yet ?. Tell me any other industry that gets the same pay & the same pensions.
CEO's of Private Companies
Bankers at Canary Wharf
Bankers who work for Investment Banks
Financiers that work for Trust companies
Accountants
Administrators with companies like KPMG
Medical staff
Soldiers
Estate Agents
Solicitors
Anyone who joins a Private company on a Graduate scheme

Do you want to continue the list? There are a lot more jobs with the same pay and pensions

With regards to holidays like look at this from a legal point of view! Legally Teachers are only meant to work on average 48 hours week in any 13 week period. they do not get overtime. But as the average number of hours a teacher does is about 67 then how do they reclaim back what they are owed? The only way is through holidays therefore, yes they may have more holidays but it is in pro-rata with the number of hours they do. s it is they do NOT get 6 weeks at summer, they only get 3 weeks (15 days), they only get 7 days at Easter and Christmas respectively and not 10 days (2 weeks) respectively but thy do not take half terms, although they do have Bank holiday. So generally speaking a teacher only gets 29 days (excluding Bank Holidays) holiday a year - lets also remember thy can only attend courses whilst school is not in attendance and as such they have to be done during "school" holiday so the teachers are not on holidays.

In comparison, my last job, which is in the private sector, I was earning about £32,000 and I had 36 days holiday (excluding Public holidays) and the number of holidays increased by 1 every 5 years as soon as I turned 40. My Current job I am earning a bit more than my last but I have 40 days holiday, excluding Bank Holiday, but I only work on average 40 hour weeks.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fatboybwfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.[/p][/quote]70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?[/p][/quote]two of my mates wives are teachers dont make me giggle. Best job in the world so they say. Not many leave is there?[/p][/quote]I live next door to a deputy head don't talk rubbish,try self employment for 7o hrs a week[/p][/quote]Has he left or is he still putting up with the pay bad hours & nice long holidays yet ?. Tell me any other industry that gets the same pay & the same pensions.[/p][/quote]CEO's of Private Companies Bankers at Canary Wharf Bankers who work for Investment Banks Financiers that work for Trust companies Accountants Administrators with companies like KPMG Medical staff Soldiers Estate Agents Solicitors Anyone who joins a Private company on a Graduate scheme Do you want to continue the list? There are a lot more jobs with the same pay and pensions With regards to holidays like look at this from a legal point of view! Legally Teachers are only meant to work on average 48 hours week in any 13 week period. they do not get overtime. But as the average number of hours a teacher does is about 67 then how do they reclaim back what they are owed? The only way is through holidays therefore, yes they may have more holidays but it is in pro-rata with the number of hours they do. s it is they do NOT get 6 weeks at summer, they only get 3 weeks (15 days), they only get 7 days at Easter and Christmas respectively and not 10 days (2 weeks) respectively but thy do not take half terms, although they do have Bank holiday. So generally speaking a teacher only gets 29 days (excluding Bank Holidays) holiday a year - lets also remember thy can only attend courses whilst school is not in attendance and as such they have to be done during "school" holiday so the teachers are not on holidays. In comparison, my last job, which is in the private sector, I was earning about £32,000 and I had 36 days holiday (excluding Public holidays) and the number of holidays increased by 1 every 5 years as soon as I turned 40. My Current job I am earning a bit more than my last but I have 40 days holiday, excluding Bank Holiday, but I only work on average 40 hour weeks. BWFC71
  • Score: 3

8:50am Thu 27 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
fatboybwfc wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.
70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?
two of my mates wives are teachers dont make me giggle. Best job in the world so they say. Not many leave is there?
I live next door to a deputy head don't talk rubbish,try self employment for 7o hrs a week
Has he left or is he still putting up with the pay bad hours & nice long holidays yet ?. Tell me any other industry that gets the same pay & the same pensions.
CEO's of Private Companies Bankers at Canary Wharf Bankers who work for Investment Banks Financiers that work for Trust companies Accountants Administrators with companies like KPMG Medical staff Soldiers Estate Agents Solicitors Anyone who joins a Private company on a Graduate scheme Do you want to continue the list? There are a lot more jobs with the same pay and pensions With regards to holidays like look at this from a legal point of view! Legally Teachers are only meant to work on average 48 hours week in any 13 week period. they do not get overtime. But as the average number of hours a teacher does is about 67 then how do they reclaim back what they are owed? The only way is through holidays therefore, yes they may have more holidays but it is in pro-rata with the number of hours they do. s it is they do NOT get 6 weeks at summer, they only get 3 weeks (15 days), they only get 7 days at Easter and Christmas respectively and not 10 days (2 weeks) respectively but thy do not take half terms, although they do have Bank holiday. So generally speaking a teacher only gets 29 days (excluding Bank Holidays) holiday a year - lets also remember thy can only attend courses whilst school is not in attendance and as such they have to be done during "school" holiday so the teachers are not on holidays. In comparison, my last job, which is in the private sector, I was earning about £32,000 and I had 36 days holiday (excluding Public holidays) and the number of holidays increased by 1 every 5 years as soon as I turned 40. My Current job I am earning a bit more than my last but I have 40 days holiday, excluding Bank Holiday, but I only work on average 40 hour weeks.
I meant public sector workers & not private Company,s who have to live & die by their results, Teachers get the same regardless when education is failing as ours is if you look at the OECD,s 65 Countries world education rankings.
Maths 22nd
reading 20th
science 11th. Most private workers also do not get paid work or play when ill or off work & only get 4 weeks holidays & bank holidays like every else does. Did you forget to comment about your election leaflets or was the truth the leaflets say nothing about front line services ?
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fatboybwfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.[/p][/quote]70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?[/p][/quote]two of my mates wives are teachers dont make me giggle. Best job in the world so they say. Not many leave is there?[/p][/quote]I live next door to a deputy head don't talk rubbish,try self employment for 7o hrs a week[/p][/quote]Has he left or is he still putting up with the pay bad hours & nice long holidays yet ?. Tell me any other industry that gets the same pay & the same pensions.[/p][/quote]CEO's of Private Companies Bankers at Canary Wharf Bankers who work for Investment Banks Financiers that work for Trust companies Accountants Administrators with companies like KPMG Medical staff Soldiers Estate Agents Solicitors Anyone who joins a Private company on a Graduate scheme Do you want to continue the list? There are a lot more jobs with the same pay and pensions With regards to holidays like look at this from a legal point of view! Legally Teachers are only meant to work on average 48 hours week in any 13 week period. they do not get overtime. But as the average number of hours a teacher does is about 67 then how do they reclaim back what they are owed? The only way is through holidays therefore, yes they may have more holidays but it is in pro-rata with the number of hours they do. s it is they do NOT get 6 weeks at summer, they only get 3 weeks (15 days), they only get 7 days at Easter and Christmas respectively and not 10 days (2 weeks) respectively but thy do not take half terms, although they do have Bank holiday. So generally speaking a teacher only gets 29 days (excluding Bank Holidays) holiday a year - lets also remember thy can only attend courses whilst school is not in attendance and as such they have to be done during "school" holiday so the teachers are not on holidays. In comparison, my last job, which is in the private sector, I was earning about £32,000 and I had 36 days holiday (excluding Public holidays) and the number of holidays increased by 1 every 5 years as soon as I turned 40. My Current job I am earning a bit more than my last but I have 40 days holiday, excluding Bank Holiday, but I only work on average 40 hour weeks.[/p][/quote]I meant public sector workers & not private Company,s who have to live & die by their results, Teachers get the same regardless when education is failing as ours is if you look at the OECD,s 65 Countries world education rankings. Maths 22nd reading 20th science 11th. Most private workers also do not get paid work or play when ill or off work & only get 4 weeks holidays & bank holidays like every else does. Did you forget to comment about your election leaflets or was the truth the leaflets say nothing about front line services ? thomas222
  • Score: 1

11:19am Thu 27 Mar 14

Ernagy2 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
fatboybwfc wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.
70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?
two of my mates wives are teachers dont make me giggle. Best job in the world so they say. Not many leave is there?
I live next door to a deputy head don't talk rubbish,try self employment for 7o hrs a week
Has he left or is he still putting up with the pay bad hours & nice long holidays yet ?. Tell me any other industry that gets the same pay & the same pensions.
CEO's of Private Companies
Bankers at Canary Wharf
Bankers who work for Investment Banks
Financiers that work for Trust companies
Accountants
Administrators with companies like KPMG
Medical staff
Soldiers
Estate Agents
Solicitors
Anyone who joins a Private company on a Graduate scheme

Do you want to continue the list? There are a lot more jobs with the same pay and pensions

With regards to holidays like look at this from a legal point of view! Legally Teachers are only meant to work on average 48 hours week in any 13 week period. they do not get overtime. But as the average number of hours a teacher does is about 67 then how do they reclaim back what they are owed? The only way is through holidays therefore, yes they may have more holidays but it is in pro-rata with the number of hours they do. s it is they do NOT get 6 weeks at summer, they only get 3 weeks (15 days), they only get 7 days at Easter and Christmas respectively and not 10 days (2 weeks) respectively but thy do not take half terms, although they do have Bank holiday. So generally speaking a teacher only gets 29 days (excluding Bank Holidays) holiday a year - lets also remember thy can only attend courses whilst school is not in attendance and as such they have to be done during "school" holiday so the teachers are not on holidays.

In comparison, my last job, which is in the private sector, I was earning about £32,000 and I had 36 days holiday (excluding Public holidays) and the number of holidays increased by 1 every 5 years as soon as I turned 40. My Current job I am earning a bit more than my last but I have 40 days holiday, excluding Bank Holiday, but I only work on average 40 hour weeks.
Where do you get this 67 -70 hours from anyway? This has been said for years and yet my recollection of school was the teacher spent 24 hours in the classroom, and the rest was supposedly marking and prep work for lessons. I realise they need to do more paperwork, and more training
(like everyone else like) and EVERYBODY is doing more more hours than they get paid for, whether it's as an admin clerk to the owner of a private business through to a CEO of a public body.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fatboybwfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.[/p][/quote]70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?[/p][/quote]two of my mates wives are teachers dont make me giggle. Best job in the world so they say. Not many leave is there?[/p][/quote]I live next door to a deputy head don't talk rubbish,try self employment for 7o hrs a week[/p][/quote]Has he left or is he still putting up with the pay bad hours & nice long holidays yet ?. Tell me any other industry that gets the same pay & the same pensions.[/p][/quote]CEO's of Private Companies Bankers at Canary Wharf Bankers who work for Investment Banks Financiers that work for Trust companies Accountants Administrators with companies like KPMG Medical staff Soldiers Estate Agents Solicitors Anyone who joins a Private company on a Graduate scheme Do you want to continue the list? There are a lot more jobs with the same pay and pensions With regards to holidays like look at this from a legal point of view! Legally Teachers are only meant to work on average 48 hours week in any 13 week period. they do not get overtime. But as the average number of hours a teacher does is about 67 then how do they reclaim back what they are owed? The only way is through holidays therefore, yes they may have more holidays but it is in pro-rata with the number of hours they do. s it is they do NOT get 6 weeks at summer, they only get 3 weeks (15 days), they only get 7 days at Easter and Christmas respectively and not 10 days (2 weeks) respectively but thy do not take half terms, although they do have Bank holiday. So generally speaking a teacher only gets 29 days (excluding Bank Holidays) holiday a year - lets also remember thy can only attend courses whilst school is not in attendance and as such they have to be done during "school" holiday so the teachers are not on holidays. In comparison, my last job, which is in the private sector, I was earning about £32,000 and I had 36 days holiday (excluding Public holidays) and the number of holidays increased by 1 every 5 years as soon as I turned 40. My Current job I am earning a bit more than my last but I have 40 days holiday, excluding Bank Holiday, but I only work on average 40 hour weeks.[/p][/quote]Where do you get this 67 -70 hours from anyway? This has been said for years and yet my recollection of school was the teacher spent 24 hours in the classroom, and the rest was supposedly marking and prep work for lessons. I realise they need to do more paperwork, and more training (like everyone else like) and EVERYBODY is doing more more hours than they get paid for, whether it's as an admin clerk to the owner of a private business through to a CEO of a public body. Ernagy2
  • Score: 0

11:39am Thu 27 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
fatboybwfc wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.
70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?
two of my mates wives are teachers dont make me giggle. Best job in the world so they say. Not many leave is there?
I live next door to a deputy head don't talk rubbish,try self employment for 7o hrs a week
Has he left or is he still putting up with the pay bad hours & nice long holidays yet ?. Tell me any other industry that gets the same pay & the same pensions.
CEO's of Private Companies Bankers at Canary Wharf Bankers who work for Investment Banks Financiers that work for Trust companies Accountants Administrators with companies like KPMG Medical staff Soldiers Estate Agents Solicitors Anyone who joins a Private company on a Graduate scheme Do you want to continue the list? There are a lot more jobs with the same pay and pensions With regards to holidays like look at this from a legal point of view! Legally Teachers are only meant to work on average 48 hours week in any 13 week period. they do not get overtime. But as the average number of hours a teacher does is about 67 then how do they reclaim back what they are owed? The only way is through holidays therefore, yes they may have more holidays but it is in pro-rata with the number of hours they do. s it is they do NOT get 6 weeks at summer, they only get 3 weeks (15 days), they only get 7 days at Easter and Christmas respectively and not 10 days (2 weeks) respectively but thy do not take half terms, although they do have Bank holiday. So generally speaking a teacher only gets 29 days (excluding Bank Holidays) holiday a year - lets also remember thy can only attend courses whilst school is not in attendance and as such they have to be done during "school" holiday so the teachers are not on holidays. In comparison, my last job, which is in the private sector, I was earning about £32,000 and I had 36 days holiday (excluding Public holidays) and the number of holidays increased by 1 every 5 years as soon as I turned 40. My Current job I am earning a bit more than my last but I have 40 days holiday, excluding Bank Holiday, but I only work on average 40 hour weeks.
I meant public sector workers & not private Company,s who have to live & die by their results, Teachers get the same regardless when education is failing as ours is if you look at the OECD,s 65 Countries world education rankings.
Maths 22nd
reading 20th
science 11th. Most private workers also do not get paid work or play when ill or off work & only get 4 weeks holidays & bank holidays like every else does. Did you forget to comment about your election leaflets or was the truth the leaflets say nothing about front line services ?
Is it failing due to teachers or due to constant changes done by EVERY Government since the introduction of the National Curriculum in the latte 1980's?

Teachers, to be far, don't know what they are meant to be teaching, and in what style, from one school year to the next because of constant Government interference with wanting this, that and the other changed!

Do you think that brings success when it is being constantly changed?

Also do you know what exams that the 16 years old will be taking in 2017? Will it be GCSE's, The Baccalaureate's, NVQ's or any other exam? Also the text books are not ready because the publishers and printers don't know which course and what the exact curriculum will be!

Do you think that brings success when no one knows what exam they should be teaching?

And then it is down to the parents upbringing of children. One year a teacher can have a great success with children and get them to achieve their targets in the various Key Stages because the children want to learn and actually have respect for their teacher because of their upbringing before they get to school, and whilst at school. Then the next year it could be completely the opposite because the children do not give a ****.

Yes you can target teachers on exam success (A-C grades) but it that an accurate view of the ability of teaching children when one year can be very bright or another year can be not so bright and end up with D-F grades (which could actually the highest the child achieves and is a success but a failure in the yes of the target driven system!!!)

And as a matter of fact because of law you last bit is completely wrong!
ALL workers have to receive a minimum of 20 days holiday excluding public holidays! But if overtime or additional hours are used then that can be claimed back as additional wage or as additional leave. No as Teachers are not allowed to get overtime in their wage it is calculated into the amount of holiday they are required to take. It is the same with Medical staff and the same process happens in both the Private and Public sector!

If anyone is off ill the first 5 day ARE paid for by la, by your employer. After that it is very discretionary by the company you work for. Many companies in the private sector and public sector only continue paying out on sick leave is the person has a doctors note. If it is long term sick, then, by law, the employer has to pay full pay for the first 12 weeks then half pay for another 12 weeks then it goes onto the benefits system.

Also, only those on ZERO hour contracts do not get paid for time off, any other contract gives full pay for the annual leave (pro-rata depending on number of hours with 40 hours a week being the standard). Even those as temporary workers get paid for having time off, if they have accrued enough hours!!!

As for your last question - if you want we can meet up and I can show you the pamphlets I have received with regards to the Local Elections. I received another 2 (Lib Dems, again, and Greens today) advising what thy propose to do locally!!! At least they don't tell blatant lies like UKIP do (what was it 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians would be "invading" the UK - especially as there are not 29 million of them in total!!!!).
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fatboybwfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.[/p][/quote]70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?[/p][/quote]two of my mates wives are teachers dont make me giggle. Best job in the world so they say. Not many leave is there?[/p][/quote]I live next door to a deputy head don't talk rubbish,try self employment for 7o hrs a week[/p][/quote]Has he left or is he still putting up with the pay bad hours & nice long holidays yet ?. Tell me any other industry that gets the same pay & the same pensions.[/p][/quote]CEO's of Private Companies Bankers at Canary Wharf Bankers who work for Investment Banks Financiers that work for Trust companies Accountants Administrators with companies like KPMG Medical staff Soldiers Estate Agents Solicitors Anyone who joins a Private company on a Graduate scheme Do you want to continue the list? There are a lot more jobs with the same pay and pensions With regards to holidays like look at this from a legal point of view! Legally Teachers are only meant to work on average 48 hours week in any 13 week period. they do not get overtime. But as the average number of hours a teacher does is about 67 then how do they reclaim back what they are owed? The only way is through holidays therefore, yes they may have more holidays but it is in pro-rata with the number of hours they do. s it is they do NOT get 6 weeks at summer, they only get 3 weeks (15 days), they only get 7 days at Easter and Christmas respectively and not 10 days (2 weeks) respectively but thy do not take half terms, although they do have Bank holiday. So generally speaking a teacher only gets 29 days (excluding Bank Holidays) holiday a year - lets also remember thy can only attend courses whilst school is not in attendance and as such they have to be done during "school" holiday so the teachers are not on holidays. In comparison, my last job, which is in the private sector, I was earning about £32,000 and I had 36 days holiday (excluding Public holidays) and the number of holidays increased by 1 every 5 years as soon as I turned 40. My Current job I am earning a bit more than my last but I have 40 days holiday, excluding Bank Holiday, but I only work on average 40 hour weeks.[/p][/quote]I meant public sector workers & not private Company,s who have to live & die by their results, Teachers get the same regardless when education is failing as ours is if you look at the OECD,s 65 Countries world education rankings. Maths 22nd reading 20th science 11th. Most private workers also do not get paid work or play when ill or off work & only get 4 weeks holidays & bank holidays like every else does. Did you forget to comment about your election leaflets or was the truth the leaflets say nothing about front line services ?[/p][/quote]Is it failing due to teachers or due to constant changes done by EVERY Government since the introduction of the National Curriculum in the latte 1980's? Teachers, to be far, don't know what they are meant to be teaching, and in what style, from one school year to the next because of constant Government interference with wanting this, that and the other changed! Do you think that brings success when it is being constantly changed? Also do you know what exams that the 16 years old will be taking in 2017? Will it be GCSE's, The Baccalaureate's, NVQ's or any other exam? Also the text books are not ready because the publishers and printers don't know which course and what the exact curriculum will be! Do you think that brings success when no one knows what exam they should be teaching? And then it is down to the parents upbringing of children. One year a teacher can have a great success with children and get them to achieve their targets in the various Key Stages because the children want to learn and actually have respect for their teacher because of their upbringing before they get to school, and whilst at school. Then the next year it could be completely the opposite because the children do not give a ****. Yes you can target teachers on exam success (A-C grades) but it that an accurate view of the ability of teaching children when one year can be very bright or another year can be not so bright and end up with D-F grades (which could actually the highest the child achieves and is a success but a failure in the yes of the target driven system!!!) And as a matter of fact because of law you last bit is completely wrong! ALL workers have to receive a minimum of 20 days holiday excluding public holidays! But if overtime or additional hours are used then that can be claimed back as additional wage or as additional leave. No as Teachers are not allowed to get overtime in their wage it is calculated into the amount of holiday they are required to take. It is the same with Medical staff and the same process happens in both the Private and Public sector! If anyone is off ill the first 5 day ARE paid for by la, by your employer. After that it is very discretionary by the company you work for. Many companies in the private sector and public sector only continue paying out on sick leave is the person has a doctors note. If it is long term sick, then, by law, the employer has to pay full pay for the first 12 weeks then half pay for another 12 weeks then it goes onto the benefits system. Also, only those on ZERO hour contracts do not get paid for time off, any other contract gives full pay for the annual leave (pro-rata depending on number of hours with 40 hours a week being the standard). Even those as temporary workers get paid for having time off, if they have accrued enough hours!!! As for your last question - if you want we can meet up and I can show you the pamphlets I have received with regards to the Local Elections. I received another 2 (Lib Dems, again, and Greens today) advising what thy propose to do locally!!! At least they don't tell blatant lies like UKIP do (what was it 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians would be "invading" the UK - especially as there are not 29 million of them in total!!!!). BWFC71
  • Score: 2

11:47am Thu 27 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
fatboybwfc wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.
70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?
two of my mates wives are teachers dont make me giggle. Best job in the world so they say. Not many leave is there?
I live next door to a deputy head don't talk rubbish,try self employment for 7o hrs a week
Has he left or is he still putting up with the pay bad hours & nice long holidays yet ?. Tell me any other industry that gets the same pay & the same pensions.
CEO's of Private Companies Bankers at Canary Wharf Bankers who work for Investment Banks Financiers that work for Trust companies Accountants Administrators with companies like KPMG Medical staff Soldiers Estate Agents Solicitors Anyone who joins a Private company on a Graduate scheme Do you want to continue the list? There are a lot more jobs with the same pay and pensions With regards to holidays like look at this from a legal point of view! Legally Teachers are only meant to work on average 48 hours week in any 13 week period. they do not get overtime. But as the average number of hours a teacher does is about 67 then how do they reclaim back what they are owed? The only way is through holidays therefore, yes they may have more holidays but it is in pro-rata with the number of hours they do. s it is they do NOT get 6 weeks at summer, they only get 3 weeks (15 days), they only get 7 days at Easter and Christmas respectively and not 10 days (2 weeks) respectively but thy do not take half terms, although they do have Bank holiday. So generally speaking a teacher only gets 29 days (excluding Bank Holidays) holiday a year - lets also remember thy can only attend courses whilst school is not in attendance and as such they have to be done during "school" holiday so the teachers are not on holidays. In comparison, my last job, which is in the private sector, I was earning about £32,000 and I had 36 days holiday (excluding Public holidays) and the number of holidays increased by 1 every 5 years as soon as I turned 40. My Current job I am earning a bit more than my last but I have 40 days holiday, excluding Bank Holiday, but I only work on average 40 hour weeks.
I meant public sector workers & not private Company,s who have to live & die by their results, Teachers get the same regardless when education is failing as ours is if you look at the OECD,s 65 Countries world education rankings. Maths 22nd reading 20th science 11th. Most private workers also do not get paid work or play when ill or off work & only get 4 weeks holidays & bank holidays like every else does. Did you forget to comment about your election leaflets or was the truth the leaflets say nothing about front line services ?
Is it failing due to teachers or due to constant changes done by EVERY Government since the introduction of the National Curriculum in the latte 1980's? Teachers, to be far, don't know what they are meant to be teaching, and in what style, from one school year to the next because of constant Government interference with wanting this, that and the other changed! Do you think that brings success when it is being constantly changed? Also do you know what exams that the 16 years old will be taking in 2017? Will it be GCSE's, The Baccalaureate's, NVQ's or any other exam? Also the text books are not ready because the publishers and printers don't know which course and what the exact curriculum will be! Do you think that brings success when no one knows what exam they should be teaching? And then it is down to the parents upbringing of children. One year a teacher can have a great success with children and get them to achieve their targets in the various Key Stages because the children want to learn and actually have respect for their teacher because of their upbringing before they get to school, and whilst at school. Then the next year it could be completely the opposite because the children do not give a ****. Yes you can target teachers on exam success (A-C grades) but it that an accurate view of the ability of teaching children when one year can be very bright or another year can be not so bright and end up with D-F grades (which could actually the highest the child achieves and is a success but a failure in the yes of the target driven system!!!) And as a matter of fact because of law you last bit is completely wrong! ALL workers have to receive a minimum of 20 days holiday excluding public holidays! But if overtime or additional hours are used then that can be claimed back as additional wage or as additional leave. No as Teachers are not allowed to get overtime in their wage it is calculated into the amount of holiday they are required to take. It is the same with Medical staff and the same process happens in both the Private and Public sector! If anyone is off ill the first 5 day ARE paid for by la, by your employer. After that it is very discretionary by the company you work for. Many companies in the private sector and public sector only continue paying out on sick leave is the person has a doctors note. If it is long term sick, then, by law, the employer has to pay full pay for the first 12 weeks then half pay for another 12 weeks then it goes onto the benefits system. Also, only those on ZERO hour contracts do not get paid for time off, any other contract gives full pay for the annual leave (pro-rata depending on number of hours with 40 hours a week being the standard). Even those as temporary workers get paid for having time off, if they have accrued enough hours!!! As for your last question - if you want we can meet up and I can show you the pamphlets I have received with regards to the Local Elections. I received another 2 (Lib Dems, again, and Greens today) advising what thy propose to do locally!!! At least they don't tell blatant lies like UKIP do (what was it 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians would be "invading" the UK - especially as there are not 29 million of them in total!!!!).
Stick to one thing otherwise it gets confusing.. now whats your qestion & your answer on the leaflets btw. Farge blew most of your myths out the window last night.... UKIP are here now and its more than the eu now... its resonating with people who have constantly been ignored and disaffected by the old status quo. The expenses,going back on their word,party politics etc etc are coming back to haunt them..... they are the reason ukip are here.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fatboybwfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.[/p][/quote]70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?[/p][/quote]two of my mates wives are teachers dont make me giggle. Best job in the world so they say. Not many leave is there?[/p][/quote]I live next door to a deputy head don't talk rubbish,try self employment for 7o hrs a week[/p][/quote]Has he left or is he still putting up with the pay bad hours & nice long holidays yet ?. Tell me any other industry that gets the same pay & the same pensions.[/p][/quote]CEO's of Private Companies Bankers at Canary Wharf Bankers who work for Investment Banks Financiers that work for Trust companies Accountants Administrators with companies like KPMG Medical staff Soldiers Estate Agents Solicitors Anyone who joins a Private company on a Graduate scheme Do you want to continue the list? There are a lot more jobs with the same pay and pensions With regards to holidays like look at this from a legal point of view! Legally Teachers are only meant to work on average 48 hours week in any 13 week period. they do not get overtime. But as the average number of hours a teacher does is about 67 then how do they reclaim back what they are owed? The only way is through holidays therefore, yes they may have more holidays but it is in pro-rata with the number of hours they do. s it is they do NOT get 6 weeks at summer, they only get 3 weeks (15 days), they only get 7 days at Easter and Christmas respectively and not 10 days (2 weeks) respectively but thy do not take half terms, although they do have Bank holiday. So generally speaking a teacher only gets 29 days (excluding Bank Holidays) holiday a year - lets also remember thy can only attend courses whilst school is not in attendance and as such they have to be done during "school" holiday so the teachers are not on holidays. In comparison, my last job, which is in the private sector, I was earning about £32,000 and I had 36 days holiday (excluding Public holidays) and the number of holidays increased by 1 every 5 years as soon as I turned 40. My Current job I am earning a bit more than my last but I have 40 days holiday, excluding Bank Holiday, but I only work on average 40 hour weeks.[/p][/quote]I meant public sector workers & not private Company,s who have to live & die by their results, Teachers get the same regardless when education is failing as ours is if you look at the OECD,s 65 Countries world education rankings. Maths 22nd reading 20th science 11th. Most private workers also do not get paid work or play when ill or off work & only get 4 weeks holidays & bank holidays like every else does. Did you forget to comment about your election leaflets or was the truth the leaflets say nothing about front line services ?[/p][/quote]Is it failing due to teachers or due to constant changes done by EVERY Government since the introduction of the National Curriculum in the latte 1980's? Teachers, to be far, don't know what they are meant to be teaching, and in what style, from one school year to the next because of constant Government interference with wanting this, that and the other changed! Do you think that brings success when it is being constantly changed? Also do you know what exams that the 16 years old will be taking in 2017? Will it be GCSE's, The Baccalaureate's, NVQ's or any other exam? Also the text books are not ready because the publishers and printers don't know which course and what the exact curriculum will be! Do you think that brings success when no one knows what exam they should be teaching? And then it is down to the parents upbringing of children. One year a teacher can have a great success with children and get them to achieve their targets in the various Key Stages because the children want to learn and actually have respect for their teacher because of their upbringing before they get to school, and whilst at school. Then the next year it could be completely the opposite because the children do not give a ****. Yes you can target teachers on exam success (A-C grades) but it that an accurate view of the ability of teaching children when one year can be very bright or another year can be not so bright and end up with D-F grades (which could actually the highest the child achieves and is a success but a failure in the yes of the target driven system!!!) And as a matter of fact because of law you last bit is completely wrong! ALL workers have to receive a minimum of 20 days holiday excluding public holidays! But if overtime or additional hours are used then that can be claimed back as additional wage or as additional leave. No as Teachers are not allowed to get overtime in their wage it is calculated into the amount of holiday they are required to take. It is the same with Medical staff and the same process happens in both the Private and Public sector! If anyone is off ill the first 5 day ARE paid for by la, by your employer. After that it is very discretionary by the company you work for. Many companies in the private sector and public sector only continue paying out on sick leave is the person has a doctors note. If it is long term sick, then, by law, the employer has to pay full pay for the first 12 weeks then half pay for another 12 weeks then it goes onto the benefits system. Also, only those on ZERO hour contracts do not get paid for time off, any other contract gives full pay for the annual leave (pro-rata depending on number of hours with 40 hours a week being the standard). Even those as temporary workers get paid for having time off, if they have accrued enough hours!!! As for your last question - if you want we can meet up and I can show you the pamphlets I have received with regards to the Local Elections. I received another 2 (Lib Dems, again, and Greens today) advising what thy propose to do locally!!! At least they don't tell blatant lies like UKIP do (what was it 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians would be "invading" the UK - especially as there are not 29 million of them in total!!!!).[/p][/quote]Stick to one thing otherwise it gets confusing.. now whats your qestion & your answer on the leaflets btw. Farge blew most of your myths out the window last night.... UKIP are here now and its more than the eu now... its resonating with people who have constantly been ignored and disaffected by the old status quo. The expenses,going back on their word,party politics etc etc are coming back to haunt them..... they are the reason ukip are here. thomas222
  • Score: -2

11:47am Thu 27 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
fatboybwfc wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.
70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?
two of my mates wives are teachers dont make me giggle. Best job in the world so they say. Not many leave is there?
I live next door to a deputy head don't talk rubbish,try self employment for 7o hrs a week
Has he left or is he still putting up with the pay bad hours & nice long holidays yet ?. Tell me any other industry that gets the same pay & the same pensions.
CEO's of Private Companies Bankers at Canary Wharf Bankers who work for Investment Banks Financiers that work for Trust companies Accountants Administrators with companies like KPMG Medical staff Soldiers Estate Agents Solicitors Anyone who joins a Private company on a Graduate scheme Do you want to continue the list? There are a lot more jobs with the same pay and pensions With regards to holidays like look at this from a legal point of view! Legally Teachers are only meant to work on average 48 hours week in any 13 week period. they do not get overtime. But as the average number of hours a teacher does is about 67 then how do they reclaim back what they are owed? The only way is through holidays therefore, yes they may have more holidays but it is in pro-rata with the number of hours they do. s it is they do NOT get 6 weeks at summer, they only get 3 weeks (15 days), they only get 7 days at Easter and Christmas respectively and not 10 days (2 weeks) respectively but thy do not take half terms, although they do have Bank holiday. So generally speaking a teacher only gets 29 days (excluding Bank Holidays) holiday a year - lets also remember thy can only attend courses whilst school is not in attendance and as such they have to be done during "school" holiday so the teachers are not on holidays. In comparison, my last job, which is in the private sector, I was earning about £32,000 and I had 36 days holiday (excluding Public holidays) and the number of holidays increased by 1 every 5 years as soon as I turned 40. My Current job I am earning a bit more than my last but I have 40 days holiday, excluding Bank Holiday, but I only work on average 40 hour weeks.
I meant public sector workers & not private Company,s who have to live & die by their results, Teachers get the same regardless when education is failing as ours is if you look at the OECD,s 65 Countries world education rankings. Maths 22nd reading 20th science 11th. Most private workers also do not get paid work or play when ill or off work & only get 4 weeks holidays & bank holidays like every else does. Did you forget to comment about your election leaflets or was the truth the leaflets say nothing about front line services ?
Is it failing due to teachers or due to constant changes done by EVERY Government since the introduction of the National Curriculum in the latte 1980's? Teachers, to be far, don't know what they are meant to be teaching, and in what style, from one school year to the next because of constant Government interference with wanting this, that and the other changed! Do you think that brings success when it is being constantly changed? Also do you know what exams that the 16 years old will be taking in 2017? Will it be GCSE's, The Baccalaureate's, NVQ's or any other exam? Also the text books are not ready because the publishers and printers don't know which course and what the exact curriculum will be! Do you think that brings success when no one knows what exam they should be teaching? And then it is down to the parents upbringing of children. One year a teacher can have a great success with children and get them to achieve their targets in the various Key Stages because the children want to learn and actually have respect for their teacher because of their upbringing before they get to school, and whilst at school. Then the next year it could be completely the opposite because the children do not give a ****. Yes you can target teachers on exam success (A-C grades) but it that an accurate view of the ability of teaching children when one year can be very bright or another year can be not so bright and end up with D-F grades (which could actually the highest the child achieves and is a success but a failure in the yes of the target driven system!!!) And as a matter of fact because of law you last bit is completely wrong! ALL workers have to receive a minimum of 20 days holiday excluding public holidays! But if overtime or additional hours are used then that can be claimed back as additional wage or as additional leave. No as Teachers are not allowed to get overtime in their wage it is calculated into the amount of holiday they are required to take. It is the same with Medical staff and the same process happens in both the Private and Public sector! If anyone is off ill the first 5 day ARE paid for by la, by your employer. After that it is very discretionary by the company you work for. Many companies in the private sector and public sector only continue paying out on sick leave is the person has a doctors note. If it is long term sick, then, by law, the employer has to pay full pay for the first 12 weeks then half pay for another 12 weeks then it goes onto the benefits system. Also, only those on ZERO hour contracts do not get paid for time off, any other contract gives full pay for the annual leave (pro-rata depending on number of hours with 40 hours a week being the standard). Even those as temporary workers get paid for having time off, if they have accrued enough hours!!! As for your last question - if you want we can meet up and I can show you the pamphlets I have received with regards to the Local Elections. I received another 2 (Lib Dems, again, and Greens today) advising what thy propose to do locally!!! At least they don't tell blatant lies like UKIP do (what was it 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians would be "invading" the UK - especially as there are not 29 million of them in total!!!!).
Stick to one thing otherwise it gets confusing.. now whats your qestion & your answer on the leaflets btw. Farge blew most of your myths out the window last night.... UKIP are here now and its more than the eu now... its resonating with people who have constantly been ignored and disaffected by the old status quo. The expenses,going back on their word,party politics etc etc are coming back to haunt them..... they are the reason ukip are here.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fatboybwfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.[/p][/quote]70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?[/p][/quote]two of my mates wives are teachers dont make me giggle. Best job in the world so they say. Not many leave is there?[/p][/quote]I live next door to a deputy head don't talk rubbish,try self employment for 7o hrs a week[/p][/quote]Has he left or is he still putting up with the pay bad hours & nice long holidays yet ?. Tell me any other industry that gets the same pay & the same pensions.[/p][/quote]CEO's of Private Companies Bankers at Canary Wharf Bankers who work for Investment Banks Financiers that work for Trust companies Accountants Administrators with companies like KPMG Medical staff Soldiers Estate Agents Solicitors Anyone who joins a Private company on a Graduate scheme Do you want to continue the list? There are a lot more jobs with the same pay and pensions With regards to holidays like look at this from a legal point of view! Legally Teachers are only meant to work on average 48 hours week in any 13 week period. they do not get overtime. But as the average number of hours a teacher does is about 67 then how do they reclaim back what they are owed? The only way is through holidays therefore, yes they may have more holidays but it is in pro-rata with the number of hours they do. s it is they do NOT get 6 weeks at summer, they only get 3 weeks (15 days), they only get 7 days at Easter and Christmas respectively and not 10 days (2 weeks) respectively but thy do not take half terms, although they do have Bank holiday. So generally speaking a teacher only gets 29 days (excluding Bank Holidays) holiday a year - lets also remember thy can only attend courses whilst school is not in attendance and as such they have to be done during "school" holiday so the teachers are not on holidays. In comparison, my last job, which is in the private sector, I was earning about £32,000 and I had 36 days holiday (excluding Public holidays) and the number of holidays increased by 1 every 5 years as soon as I turned 40. My Current job I am earning a bit more than my last but I have 40 days holiday, excluding Bank Holiday, but I only work on average 40 hour weeks.[/p][/quote]I meant public sector workers & not private Company,s who have to live & die by their results, Teachers get the same regardless when education is failing as ours is if you look at the OECD,s 65 Countries world education rankings. Maths 22nd reading 20th science 11th. Most private workers also do not get paid work or play when ill or off work & only get 4 weeks holidays & bank holidays like every else does. Did you forget to comment about your election leaflets or was the truth the leaflets say nothing about front line services ?[/p][/quote]Is it failing due to teachers or due to constant changes done by EVERY Government since the introduction of the National Curriculum in the latte 1980's? Teachers, to be far, don't know what they are meant to be teaching, and in what style, from one school year to the next because of constant Government interference with wanting this, that and the other changed! Do you think that brings success when it is being constantly changed? Also do you know what exams that the 16 years old will be taking in 2017? Will it be GCSE's, The Baccalaureate's, NVQ's or any other exam? Also the text books are not ready because the publishers and printers don't know which course and what the exact curriculum will be! Do you think that brings success when no one knows what exam they should be teaching? And then it is down to the parents upbringing of children. One year a teacher can have a great success with children and get them to achieve their targets in the various Key Stages because the children want to learn and actually have respect for their teacher because of their upbringing before they get to school, and whilst at school. Then the next year it could be completely the opposite because the children do not give a ****. Yes you can target teachers on exam success (A-C grades) but it that an accurate view of the ability of teaching children when one year can be very bright or another year can be not so bright and end up with D-F grades (which could actually the highest the child achieves and is a success but a failure in the yes of the target driven system!!!) And as a matter of fact because of law you last bit is completely wrong! ALL workers have to receive a minimum of 20 days holiday excluding public holidays! But if overtime or additional hours are used then that can be claimed back as additional wage or as additional leave. No as Teachers are not allowed to get overtime in their wage it is calculated into the amount of holiday they are required to take. It is the same with Medical staff and the same process happens in both the Private and Public sector! If anyone is off ill the first 5 day ARE paid for by la, by your employer. After that it is very discretionary by the company you work for. Many companies in the private sector and public sector only continue paying out on sick leave is the person has a doctors note. If it is long term sick, then, by law, the employer has to pay full pay for the first 12 weeks then half pay for another 12 weeks then it goes onto the benefits system. Also, only those on ZERO hour contracts do not get paid for time off, any other contract gives full pay for the annual leave (pro-rata depending on number of hours with 40 hours a week being the standard). Even those as temporary workers get paid for having time off, if they have accrued enough hours!!! As for your last question - if you want we can meet up and I can show you the pamphlets I have received with regards to the Local Elections. I received another 2 (Lib Dems, again, and Greens today) advising what thy propose to do locally!!! At least they don't tell blatant lies like UKIP do (what was it 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians would be "invading" the UK - especially as there are not 29 million of them in total!!!!).[/p][/quote]Stick to one thing otherwise it gets confusing.. now whats your qestion & your answer on the leaflets btw. Farge blew most of your myths out the window last night.... UKIP are here now and its more than the eu now... its resonating with people who have constantly been ignored and disaffected by the old status quo. The expenses,going back on their word,party politics etc etc are coming back to haunt them..... they are the reason ukip are here. thomas222
  • Score: -2

12:49pm Thu 27 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
fatboybwfc wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.
70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?
two of my mates wives are teachers dont make me giggle. Best job in the world so they say. Not many leave is there?
I live next door to a deputy head don't talk rubbish,try self employment for 7o hrs a week
Has he left or is he still putting up with the pay bad hours & nice long holidays yet ?. Tell me any other industry that gets the same pay & the same pensions.
CEO's of Private Companies Bankers at Canary Wharf Bankers who work for Investment Banks Financiers that work for Trust companies Accountants Administrators with companies like KPMG Medical staff Soldiers Estate Agents Solicitors Anyone who joins a Private company on a Graduate scheme Do you want to continue the list? There are a lot more jobs with the same pay and pensions With regards to holidays like look at this from a legal point of view! Legally Teachers are only meant to work on average 48 hours week in any 13 week period. they do not get overtime. But as the average number of hours a teacher does is about 67 then how do they reclaim back what they are owed? The only way is through holidays therefore, yes they may have more holidays but it is in pro-rata with the number of hours they do. s it is they do NOT get 6 weeks at summer, they only get 3 weeks (15 days), they only get 7 days at Easter and Christmas respectively and not 10 days (2 weeks) respectively but thy do not take half terms, although they do have Bank holiday. So generally speaking a teacher only gets 29 days (excluding Bank Holidays) holiday a year - lets also remember thy can only attend courses whilst school is not in attendance and as such they have to be done during "school" holiday so the teachers are not on holidays. In comparison, my last job, which is in the private sector, I was earning about £32,000 and I had 36 days holiday (excluding Public holidays) and the number of holidays increased by 1 every 5 years as soon as I turned 40. My Current job I am earning a bit more than my last but I have 40 days holiday, excluding Bank Holiday, but I only work on average 40 hour weeks.
I meant public sector workers & not private Company,s who have to live & die by their results, Teachers get the same regardless when education is failing as ours is if you look at the OECD,s 65 Countries world education rankings. Maths 22nd reading 20th science 11th. Most private workers also do not get paid work or play when ill or off work & only get 4 weeks holidays & bank holidays like every else does. Did you forget to comment about your election leaflets or was the truth the leaflets say nothing about front line services ?
Is it failing due to teachers or due to constant changes done by EVERY Government since the introduction of the National Curriculum in the latte 1980's? Teachers, to be far, don't know what they are meant to be teaching, and in what style, from one school year to the next because of constant Government interference with wanting this, that and the other changed! Do you think that brings success when it is being constantly changed? Also do you know what exams that the 16 years old will be taking in 2017? Will it be GCSE's, The Baccalaureate's, NVQ's or any other exam? Also the text books are not ready because the publishers and printers don't know which course and what the exact curriculum will be! Do you think that brings success when no one knows what exam they should be teaching? And then it is down to the parents upbringing of children. One year a teacher can have a great success with children and get them to achieve their targets in the various Key Stages because the children want to learn and actually have respect for their teacher because of their upbringing before they get to school, and whilst at school. Then the next year it could be completely the opposite because the children do not give a ****. Yes you can target teachers on exam success (A-C grades) but it that an accurate view of the ability of teaching children when one year can be very bright or another year can be not so bright and end up with D-F grades (which could actually the highest the child achieves and is a success but a failure in the yes of the target driven system!!!) And as a matter of fact because of law you last bit is completely wrong! ALL workers have to receive a minimum of 20 days holiday excluding public holidays! But if overtime or additional hours are used then that can be claimed back as additional wage or as additional leave. No as Teachers are not allowed to get overtime in their wage it is calculated into the amount of holiday they are required to take. It is the same with Medical staff and the same process happens in both the Private and Public sector! If anyone is off ill the first 5 day ARE paid for by la, by your employer. After that it is very discretionary by the company you work for. Many companies in the private sector and public sector only continue paying out on sick leave is the person has a doctors note. If it is long term sick, then, by law, the employer has to pay full pay for the first 12 weeks then half pay for another 12 weeks then it goes onto the benefits system. Also, only those on ZERO hour contracts do not get paid for time off, any other contract gives full pay for the annual leave (pro-rata depending on number of hours with 40 hours a week being the standard). Even those as temporary workers get paid for having time off, if they have accrued enough hours!!! As for your last question - if you want we can meet up and I can show you the pamphlets I have received with regards to the Local Elections. I received another 2 (Lib Dems, again, and Greens today) advising what thy propose to do locally!!! At least they don't tell blatant lies like UKIP do (what was it 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians would be "invading" the UK - especially as there are not 29 million of them in total!!!!).
Stick to one thing otherwise it gets confusing.. now whats your qestion & your answer on the leaflets btw. Farge blew most of your myths out the window last night.... UKIP are here now and its more than the eu now... its resonating with people who have constantly been ignored and disaffected by the old status quo. The expenses,going back on their word,party politics etc etc are coming back to haunt them..... they are the reason ukip are here.
I am confusing the situation??? Am I right in saying that YOU asked the question, thus creating the confusion. You could have easily have left the question out.

As it is you have now diverted this thread from the main topic of the teachers strike, and as such not continuing this conversation on this thread! If you want to discuss about UKIP go to the UKIP thread, where I will answer, If you want to continue talking about Teachers, then I will respond here! Simple, really, isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fatboybwfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Most people would love their hours of work pay packets pensions & holiday entitlements.[/p][/quote]70+ hours a week working (and that includes the 30 hours teaching time) as for a teacher there is teaching time when teaching the children and non-teaching time for paperwork, preparation, reports, training, etc etc etc Pay packet - one of the lowest in the teaching profession in the developed world!!! In fact teachers in the public schools have less teaching time, less non-teaching time and get paid more!!! Holiday are accounted for because of the long hours they do work - would you want to work 60+ hours and not get the time off (considering they do not get overtime)? Plus they only get 20 days in summer, 7 days at Christmas and 7 days at Easter as time off. They don't even get Half-term time off due to various courses and training they have to attend Not knowing what to teach the children because Gove keeps changing his mind about changes or considering changes which are illegal or even changes that would be detrimental to the lower ability children. Plus Do you know the differences between the 5 Key Stages of a childs education development or what each Key Stage involves? So taking those into consideration - would you really want the same benefits?[/p][/quote]two of my mates wives are teachers dont make me giggle. Best job in the world so they say. Not many leave is there?[/p][/quote]I live next door to a deputy head don't talk rubbish,try self employment for 7o hrs a week[/p][/quote]Has he left or is he still putting up with the pay bad hours & nice long holidays yet ?. Tell me any other industry that gets the same pay & the same pensions.[/p][/quote]CEO's of Private Companies Bankers at Canary Wharf Bankers who work for Investment Banks Financiers that work for Trust companies Accountants Administrators with companies like KPMG Medical staff Soldiers Estate Agents Solicitors Anyone who joins a Private company on a Graduate scheme Do you want to continue the list? There are a lot more jobs with the same pay and pensions With regards to holidays like look at this from a legal point of view! Legally Teachers are only meant to work on average 48 hours week in any 13 week period. they do not get overtime. But as the average number of hours a teacher does is about 67 then how do they reclaim back what they are owed? The only way is through holidays therefore, yes they may have more holidays but it is in pro-rata with the number of hours they do. s it is they do NOT get 6 weeks at summer, they only get 3 weeks (15 days), they only get 7 days at Easter and Christmas respectively and not 10 days (2 weeks) respectively but thy do not take half terms, although they do have Bank holiday. So generally speaking a teacher only gets 29 days (excluding Bank Holidays) holiday a year - lets also remember thy can only attend courses whilst school is not in attendance and as such they have to be done during "school" holiday so the teachers are not on holidays. In comparison, my last job, which is in the private sector, I was earning about £32,000 and I had 36 days holiday (excluding Public holidays) and the number of holidays increased by 1 every 5 years as soon as I turned 40. My Current job I am earning a bit more than my last but I have 40 days holiday, excluding Bank Holiday, but I only work on average 40 hour weeks.[/p][/quote]I meant public sector workers & not private Company,s who have to live & die by their results, Teachers get the same regardless when education is failing as ours is if you look at the OECD,s 65 Countries world education rankings. Maths 22nd reading 20th science 11th. Most private workers also do not get paid work or play when ill or off work & only get 4 weeks holidays & bank holidays like every else does. Did you forget to comment about your election leaflets or was the truth the leaflets say nothing about front line services ?[/p][/quote]Is it failing due to teachers or due to constant changes done by EVERY Government since the introduction of the National Curriculum in the latte 1980's? Teachers, to be far, don't know what they are meant to be teaching, and in what style, from one school year to the next because of constant Government interference with wanting this, that and the other changed! Do you think that brings success when it is being constantly changed? Also do you know what exams that the 16 years old will be taking in 2017? Will it be GCSE's, The Baccalaureate's, NVQ's or any other exam? Also the text books are not ready because the publishers and printers don't know which course and what the exact curriculum will be! Do you think that brings success when no one knows what exam they should be teaching? And then it is down to the parents upbringing of children. One year a teacher can have a great success with children and get them to achieve their targets in the various Key Stages because the children want to learn and actually have respect for their teacher because of their upbringing before they get to school, and whilst at school. Then the next year it could be completely the opposite because the children do not give a ****. Yes you can target teachers on exam success (A-C grades) but it that an accurate view of the ability of teaching children when one year can be very bright or another year can be not so bright and end up with D-F grades (which could actually the highest the child achieves and is a success but a failure in the yes of the target driven system!!!) And as a matter of fact because of law you last bit is completely wrong! ALL workers have to receive a minimum of 20 days holiday excluding public holidays! But if overtime or additional hours are used then that can be claimed back as additional wage or as additional leave. No as Teachers are not allowed to get overtime in their wage it is calculated into the amount of holiday they are required to take. It is the same with Medical staff and the same process happens in both the Private and Public sector! If anyone is off ill the first 5 day ARE paid for by la, by your employer. After that it is very discretionary by the company you work for. Many companies in the private sector and public sector only continue paying out on sick leave is the person has a doctors note. If it is long term sick, then, by law, the employer has to pay full pay for the first 12 weeks then half pay for another 12 weeks then it goes onto the benefits system. Also, only those on ZERO hour contracts do not get paid for time off, any other contract gives full pay for the annual leave (pro-rata depending on number of hours with 40 hours a week being the standard). Even those as temporary workers get paid for having time off, if they have accrued enough hours!!! As for your last question - if you want we can meet up and I can show you the pamphlets I have received with regards to the Local Elections. I received another 2 (Lib Dems, again, and Greens today) advising what thy propose to do locally!!! At least they don't tell blatant lies like UKIP do (what was it 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians would be "invading" the UK - especially as there are not 29 million of them in total!!!!).[/p][/quote]Stick to one thing otherwise it gets confusing.. now whats your qestion & your answer on the leaflets btw. Farge blew most of your myths out the window last night.... UKIP are here now and its more than the eu now... its resonating with people who have constantly been ignored and disaffected by the old status quo. The expenses,going back on their word,party politics etc etc are coming back to haunt them..... they are the reason ukip are here.[/p][/quote]I am confusing the situation??? Am I right in saying that YOU asked the question, thus creating the confusion. You could have easily have left the question out. As it is you have now diverted this thread from the main topic of the teachers strike, and as such not continuing this conversation on this thread! If you want to discuss about UKIP go to the UKIP thread, where I will answer, If you want to continue talking about Teachers, then I will respond here! Simple, really, isn't it? BWFC71
  • Score: 1

12:58pm Thu 27 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Thomas,

I did notice that you didn't answer my questions with regards to the problems that teachers face as a possibility due to the moderate educational placings UK has in the world?

Why is that?

Do you want me to repeat them, or can you use the cursor keys to re-read and then respond.
Thomas, I did notice that you didn't answer my questions with regards to the problems that teachers face as a possibility due to the moderate educational placings UK has in the world? Why is that? Do you want me to repeat them, or can you use the cursor keys to re-read and then respond. BWFC71
  • Score: 0

1:07pm Thu 27 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Thomas, I did notice that you didn't answer my questions with regards to the problems that teachers face as a possibility due to the moderate educational placings UK has in the world? Why is that? Do you want me to repeat them, or can you use the cursor keys to re-read and then respond.
Sorry i dont have the answer to that question. I unlike you who know everything but stand for nothing. Perhaps you can answer my questions you have been ducking for days... You know the ones.... front line leaflets & why go to a country that has a immigration control system you so resent. You must be very concerned after the showing last evening.. ukips membership is going through the roof as we speak......
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Thomas, I did notice that you didn't answer my questions with regards to the problems that teachers face as a possibility due to the moderate educational placings UK has in the world? Why is that? Do you want me to repeat them, or can you use the cursor keys to re-read and then respond.[/p][/quote]Sorry i dont have the answer to that question. I unlike you who know everything but stand for nothing. Perhaps you can answer my questions you have been ducking for days... You know the ones.... front line leaflets & why go to a country that has a immigration control system you so resent. You must be very concerned after the showing last evening.. ukips membership is going through the roof as we speak...... thomas222
  • Score: 0

1:14pm Thu 27 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Thomas, I did notice that you didn't answer my questions with regards to the problems that teachers face as a possibility due to the moderate educational placings UK has in the world? Why is that? Do you want me to repeat them, or can you use the cursor keys to re-read and then respond.
Btw.... its pay & pensions is the main reason for this strike as every commentator has said...... But i will expect you to disagree.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Thomas, I did notice that you didn't answer my questions with regards to the problems that teachers face as a possibility due to the moderate educational placings UK has in the world? Why is that? Do you want me to repeat them, or can you use the cursor keys to re-read and then respond.[/p][/quote]Btw.... its pay & pensions is the main reason for this strike as every commentator has said...... But i will expect you to disagree. thomas222
  • Score: 0

1:52pm Thu 27 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Thomas, I did notice that you didn't answer my questions with regards to the problems that teachers face as a possibility due to the moderate educational placings UK has in the world? Why is that? Do you want me to repeat them, or can you use the cursor keys to re-read and then respond.
Btw.... its pay & pensions is the main reason for this strike as every commentator has said...... But i will expect you to disagree.
some of it - yes and they are right as the pensions have been ILLEGALLY changed. But it is also about the working conditions and the lack of teaching time with children due to paperwork - again the press ha mentioned that but you seemed to have omitted that fact. Why?

But with regards to the pension they have been changed illegally because by law the current pension plans HAVE to stay open for those already on it - like what has happened in the private sector. But closed to anyone who changes job, changes contract, promotion or new people coming into the job as they will then have to go onto the new pension plans!!!

It is illegal to change a pension as it is part and parcel of a contract and unless a new contract is signed then the benefits of that contract HAVE to stay the same!

As for pay, did you know that teachers in the UK are the worst paid teachers in the "First world" countries. Even in the free market economy of the USA teachers are paid at least 25% better than here. And in Australia it is up to 50% better than here. Even teachers in Poland and Bulgaria and Romania are better paid than here in the UK!!! And in countries that have the worst credit ratings such as Greece and Spin the teachers are better paid than here in the UK - and the worst thing is teachers in all these other countries are more HIGHLY RESPECTED and revered than here, even if they score low in a world educations list!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Thomas, I did notice that you didn't answer my questions with regards to the problems that teachers face as a possibility due to the moderate educational placings UK has in the world? Why is that? Do you want me to repeat them, or can you use the cursor keys to re-read and then respond.[/p][/quote]Btw.... its pay & pensions is the main reason for this strike as every commentator has said...... But i will expect you to disagree.[/p][/quote]some of it - yes and they are right as the pensions have been ILLEGALLY changed. But it is also about the working conditions and the lack of teaching time with children due to paperwork - again the press ha mentioned that but you seemed to have omitted that fact. Why? But with regards to the pension they have been changed illegally because by law the current pension plans HAVE to stay open for those already on it - like what has happened in the private sector. But closed to anyone who changes job, changes contract, promotion or new people coming into the job as they will then have to go onto the new pension plans!!! It is illegal to change a pension as it is part and parcel of a contract and unless a new contract is signed then the benefits of that contract HAVE to stay the same! As for pay, did you know that teachers in the UK are the worst paid teachers in the "First world" countries. Even in the free market economy of the USA teachers are paid at least 25% better than here. And in Australia it is up to 50% better than here. Even teachers in Poland and Bulgaria and Romania are better paid than here in the UK!!! And in countries that have the worst credit ratings such as Greece and Spin the teachers are better paid than here in the UK - and the worst thing is teachers in all these other countries are more HIGHLY RESPECTED and revered than here, even if they score low in a world educations list! BWFC71
  • Score: 0

1:56pm Thu 27 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Thomas, I did notice that you didn't answer my questions with regards to the problems that teachers face as a possibility due to the moderate educational placings UK has in the world? Why is that? Do you want me to repeat them, or can you use the cursor keys to re-read and then respond.
Btw.... its pay & pensions is the main reason for this strike as every commentator has said...... But i will expect you to disagree.
some of it - yes and they are right as the pensions have been ILLEGALLY changed. But it is also about the working conditions and the lack of teaching time with children due to paperwork - again the press ha mentioned that but you seemed to have omitted that fact. Why? But with regards to the pension they have been changed illegally because by law the current pension plans HAVE to stay open for those already on it - like what has happened in the private sector. But closed to anyone who changes job, changes contract, promotion or new people coming into the job as they will then have to go onto the new pension plans!!! It is illegal to change a pension as it is part and parcel of a contract and unless a new contract is signed then the benefits of that contract HAVE to stay the same! As for pay, did you know that teachers in the UK are the worst paid teachers in the "First world" countries. Even in the free market economy of the USA teachers are paid at least 25% better than here. And in Australia it is up to 50% better than here. Even teachers in Poland and Bulgaria and Romania are better paid than here in the UK!!! And in countries that have the worst credit ratings such as Greece and Spin the teachers are better paid than here in the UK - and the worst thing is teachers in all these other countries are more HIGHLY RESPECTED and revered than here, even if they score low in a world educations list!
We have some freedom of choice in this Country,& the ability to leave ones employ and seek better pastures if unhappy & discontent is one of those freedoms. They are not chained to the desks. End of!.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Thomas, I did notice that you didn't answer my questions with regards to the problems that teachers face as a possibility due to the moderate educational placings UK has in the world? Why is that? Do you want me to repeat them, or can you use the cursor keys to re-read and then respond.[/p][/quote]Btw.... its pay & pensions is the main reason for this strike as every commentator has said...... But i will expect you to disagree.[/p][/quote]some of it - yes and they are right as the pensions have been ILLEGALLY changed. But it is also about the working conditions and the lack of teaching time with children due to paperwork - again the press ha mentioned that but you seemed to have omitted that fact. Why? But with regards to the pension they have been changed illegally because by law the current pension plans HAVE to stay open for those already on it - like what has happened in the private sector. But closed to anyone who changes job, changes contract, promotion or new people coming into the job as they will then have to go onto the new pension plans!!! It is illegal to change a pension as it is part and parcel of a contract and unless a new contract is signed then the benefits of that contract HAVE to stay the same! As for pay, did you know that teachers in the UK are the worst paid teachers in the "First world" countries. Even in the free market economy of the USA teachers are paid at least 25% better than here. And in Australia it is up to 50% better than here. Even teachers in Poland and Bulgaria and Romania are better paid than here in the UK!!! And in countries that have the worst credit ratings such as Greece and Spin the teachers are better paid than here in the UK - and the worst thing is teachers in all these other countries are more HIGHLY RESPECTED and revered than here, even if they score low in a world educations list![/p][/quote]We have some freedom of choice in this Country,& the ability to leave ones employ and seek better pastures if unhappy & discontent is one of those freedoms. They are not chained to the desks. End of!. thomas222
  • Score: 1

3:02pm Thu 27 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Thomas, I did notice that you didn't answer my questions with regards to the problems that teachers face as a possibility due to the moderate educational placings UK has in the world? Why is that? Do you want me to repeat them, or can you use the cursor keys to re-read and then respond.
Btw.... its pay & pensions is the main reason for this strike as every commentator has said...... But i will expect you to disagree.
some of it - yes and they are right as the pensions have been ILLEGALLY changed. But it is also about the working conditions and the lack of teaching time with children due to paperwork - again the press ha mentioned that but you seemed to have omitted that fact. Why? But with regards to the pension they have been changed illegally because by law the current pension plans HAVE to stay open for those already on it - like what has happened in the private sector. But closed to anyone who changes job, changes contract, promotion or new people coming into the job as they will then have to go onto the new pension plans!!! It is illegal to change a pension as it is part and parcel of a contract and unless a new contract is signed then the benefits of that contract HAVE to stay the same! As for pay, did you know that teachers in the UK are the worst paid teachers in the "First world" countries. Even in the free market economy of the USA teachers are paid at least 25% better than here. And in Australia it is up to 50% better than here. Even teachers in Poland and Bulgaria and Romania are better paid than here in the UK!!! And in countries that have the worst credit ratings such as Greece and Spin the teachers are better paid than here in the UK - and the worst thing is teachers in all these other countries are more HIGHLY RESPECTED and revered than here, even if they score low in a world educations list!
We have some freedom of choice in this Country,& the ability to leave ones employ and seek better pastures if unhappy & discontent is one of those freedoms. They are not chained to the desks. End of!.
You have that choice, as well, in the UK, and well over 95% of other countries in the world - even in Communist countries like Cuba and China people have the freedom of choice!!

So why make that comment when it can bee applied to the vast majority o other countries in the world!!!!

Do you remember "Auf Weidersehen, Pet"? The comedy Drama that saw brickies chippies etc look for work overseas for a better life - sound familiar to todays world, except we expect to be given jobs in this country instead of looking for them here and elsewhere, and like to blame those doing what we were doing 30 years ago - very hypocritical, really, isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Thomas, I did notice that you didn't answer my questions with regards to the problems that teachers face as a possibility due to the moderate educational placings UK has in the world? Why is that? Do you want me to repeat them, or can you use the cursor keys to re-read and then respond.[/p][/quote]Btw.... its pay & pensions is the main reason for this strike as every commentator has said...... But i will expect you to disagree.[/p][/quote]some of it - yes and they are right as the pensions have been ILLEGALLY changed. But it is also about the working conditions and the lack of teaching time with children due to paperwork - again the press ha mentioned that but you seemed to have omitted that fact. Why? But with regards to the pension they have been changed illegally because by law the current pension plans HAVE to stay open for those already on it - like what has happened in the private sector. But closed to anyone who changes job, changes contract, promotion or new people coming into the job as they will then have to go onto the new pension plans!!! It is illegal to change a pension as it is part and parcel of a contract and unless a new contract is signed then the benefits of that contract HAVE to stay the same! As for pay, did you know that teachers in the UK are the worst paid teachers in the "First world" countries. Even in the free market economy of the USA teachers are paid at least 25% better than here. And in Australia it is up to 50% better than here. Even teachers in Poland and Bulgaria and Romania are better paid than here in the UK!!! And in countries that have the worst credit ratings such as Greece and Spin the teachers are better paid than here in the UK - and the worst thing is teachers in all these other countries are more HIGHLY RESPECTED and revered than here, even if they score low in a world educations list![/p][/quote]We have some freedom of choice in this Country,& the ability to leave ones employ and seek better pastures if unhappy & discontent is one of those freedoms. They are not chained to the desks. End of!.[/p][/quote]You have that choice, as well, in the UK, and well over 95% of other countries in the world - even in Communist countries like Cuba and China people have the freedom of choice!! So why make that comment when it can bee applied to the vast majority o other countries in the world!!!! Do you remember "Auf Weidersehen, Pet"? The comedy Drama that saw brickies chippies etc look for work overseas for a better life - sound familiar to todays world, except we expect to be given jobs in this country instead of looking for them here and elsewhere, and like to blame those doing what we were doing 30 years ago - very hypocritical, really, isn't it? BWFC71
  • Score: 0

3:16pm Thu 27 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Thomas, I did notice that you didn't answer my questions with regards to the problems that teachers face as a possibility due to the moderate educational placings UK has in the world? Why is that? Do you want me to repeat them, or can you use the cursor keys to re-read and then respond.
Btw.... its pay & pensions is the main reason for this strike as every commentator has said...... But i will expect you to disagree.
some of it - yes and they are right as the pensions have been ILLEGALLY changed. But it is also about the working conditions and the lack of teaching time with children due to paperwork - again the press ha mentioned that but you seemed to have omitted that fact. Why? But with regards to the pension they have been changed illegally because by law the current pension plans HAVE to stay open for those already on it - like what has happened in the private sector. But closed to anyone who changes job, changes contract, promotion or new people coming into the job as they will then have to go onto the new pension plans!!! It is illegal to change a pension as it is part and parcel of a contract and unless a new contract is signed then the benefits of that contract HAVE to stay the same! As for pay, did you know that teachers in the UK are the worst paid teachers in the "First world" countries. Even in the free market economy of the USA teachers are paid at least 25% better than here. And in Australia it is up to 50% better than here. Even teachers in Poland and Bulgaria and Romania are better paid than here in the UK!!! And in countries that have the worst credit ratings such as Greece and Spin the teachers are better paid than here in the UK - and the worst thing is teachers in all these other countries are more HIGHLY RESPECTED and revered than here, even if they score low in a world educations list!
We have some freedom of choice in this Country,& the ability to leave ones employ and seek better pastures if unhappy & discontent is one of those freedoms. They are not chained to the desks. End of!.
You have that choice, as well, in the UK, and well over 95% of other countries in the world - even in Communist countries like Cuba and China people have the freedom of choice!! So why make that comment when it can bee applied to the vast majority o other countries in the world!!!! Do you remember "Auf Weidersehen, Pet"? The comedy Drama that saw brickies chippies etc look for work overseas for a better life - sound familiar to todays world, except we expect to be given jobs in this country instead of looking for them here and elsewhere, and like to blame those doing what we were doing 30 years ago - very hypocritical, really, isn't it?
You ramble yet again.... it was a simple way of saying if your not happy then change what your doing... Nothing to do with all that guff you just spouted. Your beaten on this one thats why you rambled & tried to change the line of questionings. Also i would like to see your info how the other partys are going to do to save front line services as you say. To be honest you dont have any and have never seen any. end off.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Thomas, I did notice that you didn't answer my questions with regards to the problems that teachers face as a possibility due to the moderate educational placings UK has in the world? Why is that? Do you want me to repeat them, or can you use the cursor keys to re-read and then respond.[/p][/quote]Btw.... its pay & pensions is the main reason for this strike as every commentator has said...... But i will expect you to disagree.[/p][/quote]some of it - yes and they are right as the pensions have been ILLEGALLY changed. But it is also about the working conditions and the lack of teaching time with children due to paperwork - again the press ha mentioned that but you seemed to have omitted that fact. Why? But with regards to the pension they have been changed illegally because by law the current pension plans HAVE to stay open for those already on it - like what has happened in the private sector. But closed to anyone who changes job, changes contract, promotion or new people coming into the job as they will then have to go onto the new pension plans!!! It is illegal to change a pension as it is part and parcel of a contract and unless a new contract is signed then the benefits of that contract HAVE to stay the same! As for pay, did you know that teachers in the UK are the worst paid teachers in the "First world" countries. Even in the free market economy of the USA teachers are paid at least 25% better than here. And in Australia it is up to 50% better than here. Even teachers in Poland and Bulgaria and Romania are better paid than here in the UK!!! And in countries that have the worst credit ratings such as Greece and Spin the teachers are better paid than here in the UK - and the worst thing is teachers in all these other countries are more HIGHLY RESPECTED and revered than here, even if they score low in a world educations list![/p][/quote]We have some freedom of choice in this Country,& the ability to leave ones employ and seek better pastures if unhappy & discontent is one of those freedoms. They are not chained to the desks. End of!.[/p][/quote]You have that choice, as well, in the UK, and well over 95% of other countries in the world - even in Communist countries like Cuba and China people have the freedom of choice!! So why make that comment when it can bee applied to the vast majority o other countries in the world!!!! Do you remember "Auf Weidersehen, Pet"? The comedy Drama that saw brickies chippies etc look for work overseas for a better life - sound familiar to todays world, except we expect to be given jobs in this country instead of looking for them here and elsewhere, and like to blame those doing what we were doing 30 years ago - very hypocritical, really, isn't it?[/p][/quote]You ramble yet again.... it was a simple way of saying if your not happy then change what your doing... Nothing to do with all that guff you just spouted. Your beaten on this one thats why you rambled & tried to change the line of questionings. Also i would like to see your info how the other partys are going to do to save front line services as you say. To be honest you dont have any and have never seen any. end off. thomas222
  • Score: 1

7:51pm Thu 27 Mar 14

berushka says...

Reality50 wrote:
There is no place for left wing union militancy these days and time the NUT realised it is 2014 not 1979.
best comment on here, and could we please persuade BWFC to go away, please? and this from mizz simpkins: Ms Simpkins said: “It is very hard for teachers to take this action, teaching is a vocation and the people who come into teaching do it because they want to make a difference..WRONG silly woman, they are taking this action because thugs like you would take revenge if they ignored your demand for them to strike. You think Putin is a dictator? Take a look at some of the morons that are in the unions, they are experts at dictatorship. Get rid of the lot of them and let;s make Britain a better place to work.
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: There is no place for left wing union militancy these days and time the NUT realised it is 2014 not 1979.[/p][/quote]best comment on here, and could we please persuade BWFC to go away, please? and this from mizz simpkins: Ms Simpkins said: “It is very hard for teachers to take this action, teaching is a vocation and the people who come into teaching do it because they want to make a difference..WRONG silly woman, they are taking this action because thugs like you would take revenge if they ignored your demand for them to strike. You think Putin is a dictator? Take a look at some of the morons that are in the unions, they are experts at dictatorship. Get rid of the lot of them and let;s make Britain a better place to work. berushka
  • Score: -2

9:54pm Thu 27 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Thomas, I did notice that you didn't answer my questions with regards to the problems that teachers face as a possibility due to the moderate educational placings UK has in the world? Why is that? Do you want me to repeat them, or can you use the cursor keys to re-read and then respond.
Btw.... its pay & pensions is the main reason for this strike as every commentator has said...... But i will expect you to disagree.
some of it - yes and they are right as the pensions have been ILLEGALLY changed. But it is also about the working conditions and the lack of teaching time with children due to paperwork - again the press ha mentioned that but you seemed to have omitted that fact. Why? But with regards to the pension they have been changed illegally because by law the current pension plans HAVE to stay open for those already on it - like what has happened in the private sector. But closed to anyone who changes job, changes contract, promotion or new people coming into the job as they will then have to go onto the new pension plans!!! It is illegal to change a pension as it is part and parcel of a contract and unless a new contract is signed then the benefits of that contract HAVE to stay the same! As for pay, did you know that teachers in the UK are the worst paid teachers in the "First world" countries. Even in the free market economy of the USA teachers are paid at least 25% better than here. And in Australia it is up to 50% better than here. Even teachers in Poland and Bulgaria and Romania are better paid than here in the UK!!! And in countries that have the worst credit ratings such as Greece and Spin the teachers are better paid than here in the UK - and the worst thing is teachers in all these other countries are more HIGHLY RESPECTED and revered than here, even if they score low in a world educations list!
We have some freedom of choice in this Country,& the ability to leave ones employ and seek better pastures if unhappy & discontent is one of those freedoms. They are not chained to the desks. End of!.
You have that choice, as well, in the UK, and well over 95% of other countries in the world - even in Communist countries like Cuba and China people have the freedom of choice!! So why make that comment when it can bee applied to the vast majority o other countries in the world!!!! Do you remember "Auf Weidersehen, Pet"? The comedy Drama that saw brickies chippies etc look for work overseas for a better life - sound familiar to todays world, except we expect to be given jobs in this country instead of looking for them here and elsewhere, and like to blame those doing what we were doing 30 years ago - very hypocritical, really, isn't it?
You ramble yet again.... it was a simple way of saying if your not happy then change what your doing... Nothing to do with all that guff you just spouted. Your beaten on this one thats why you rambled & tried to change the line of questionings. Also i would like to see your info how the other partys are going to do to save front line services as you say. To be honest you dont have any and have never seen any. end off.
Mr beaten, nope, But you are otherwise you would have not:-
1. Try to change the subject
2. Confuse this thread with your UKIP propaganda from another thread
3. Quote that if you don't like it change your job
4. By saying "your beaten on this one"

All signs of someone who has lost the argument!

As it is teachers, in general do not ant to leave their profession, as it gives them great pleasure in seeing children being educated and see them grow into independent adults. But they do not want to be cheated ot of money, like they are being done, illegally!!! You have to remember that people/departments, careers within the public sector have the exact same laws that people have within the private sector.

As for you last comment about other parties - in the words that you used in another thread, "Stick to one thing otherwise it gets confusing." Again, why are you trying to change the subject on this thread?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Thomas, I did notice that you didn't answer my questions with regards to the problems that teachers face as a possibility due to the moderate educational placings UK has in the world? Why is that? Do you want me to repeat them, or can you use the cursor keys to re-read and then respond.[/p][/quote]Btw.... its pay & pensions is the main reason for this strike as every commentator has said...... But i will expect you to disagree.[/p][/quote]some of it - yes and they are right as the pensions have been ILLEGALLY changed. But it is also about the working conditions and the lack of teaching time with children due to paperwork - again the press ha mentioned that but you seemed to have omitted that fact. Why? But with regards to the pension they have been changed illegally because by law the current pension plans HAVE to stay open for those already on it - like what has happened in the private sector. But closed to anyone who changes job, changes contract, promotion or new people coming into the job as they will then have to go onto the new pension plans!!! It is illegal to change a pension as it is part and parcel of a contract and unless a new contract is signed then the benefits of that contract HAVE to stay the same! As for pay, did you know that teachers in the UK are the worst paid teachers in the "First world" countries. Even in the free market economy of the USA teachers are paid at least 25% better than here. And in Australia it is up to 50% better than here. Even teachers in Poland and Bulgaria and Romania are better paid than here in the UK!!! And in countries that have the worst credit ratings such as Greece and Spin the teachers are better paid than here in the UK - and the worst thing is teachers in all these other countries are more HIGHLY RESPECTED and revered than here, even if they score low in a world educations list![/p][/quote]We have some freedom of choice in this Country,& the ability to leave ones employ and seek better pastures if unhappy & discontent is one of those freedoms. They are not chained to the desks. End of!.[/p][/quote]You have that choice, as well, in the UK, and well over 95% of other countries in the world - even in Communist countries like Cuba and China people have the freedom of choice!! So why make that comment when it can bee applied to the vast majority o other countries in the world!!!! Do you remember "Auf Weidersehen, Pet"? The comedy Drama that saw brickies chippies etc look for work overseas for a better life - sound familiar to todays world, except we expect to be given jobs in this country instead of looking for them here and elsewhere, and like to blame those doing what we were doing 30 years ago - very hypocritical, really, isn't it?[/p][/quote]You ramble yet again.... it was a simple way of saying if your not happy then change what your doing... Nothing to do with all that guff you just spouted. Your beaten on this one thats why you rambled & tried to change the line of questionings. Also i would like to see your info how the other partys are going to do to save front line services as you say. To be honest you dont have any and have never seen any. end off.[/p][/quote]Mr beaten, nope, But you are otherwise you would have not:- 1. Try to change the subject 2. Confuse this thread with your UKIP propaganda from another thread 3. Quote that if you don't like it change your job 4. By saying "your beaten on this one" All signs of someone who has lost the argument! As it is teachers, in general do not ant to leave their profession, as it gives them great pleasure in seeing children being educated and see them grow into independent adults. But they do not want to be cheated ot of money, like they are being done, illegally!!! You have to remember that people/departments, careers within the public sector have the exact same laws that people have within the private sector. As for you last comment about other parties - in the words that you used in another thread, "Stick to one thing otherwise it gets confusing." Again, why are you trying to change the subject on this thread? BWFC71
  • Score: 0

9:56pm Thu 27 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Thomas, I did notice that you didn't answer my questions with regards to the problems that teachers face as a possibility due to the moderate educational placings UK has in the world? Why is that? Do you want me to repeat them, or can you use the cursor keys to re-read and then respond.
Sorry i dont have the answer to that question. I unlike you who know everything but stand for nothing. Perhaps you can answer my questions you have been ducking for days... You know the ones.... front line leaflets & why go to a country that has a immigration control system you so resent. You must be very concerned after the showing last evening.. ukips membership is going through the roof as we speak......
Again why are you straying away from the one, and only, topic of this thread?

I have said over and over again, that has to be asked in the UKIP thread and not the teachers thread as it no place on this thread. All you are trying to do s to confuse this thread - please keep to one topic at a time!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Thomas, I did notice that you didn't answer my questions with regards to the problems that teachers face as a possibility due to the moderate educational placings UK has in the world? Why is that? Do you want me to repeat them, or can you use the cursor keys to re-read and then respond.[/p][/quote]Sorry i dont have the answer to that question. I unlike you who know everything but stand for nothing. Perhaps you can answer my questions you have been ducking for days... You know the ones.... front line leaflets & why go to a country that has a immigration control system you so resent. You must be very concerned after the showing last evening.. ukips membership is going through the roof as we speak......[/p][/quote]Again why are you straying away from the one, and only, topic of this thread? I have said over and over again, that has to be asked in the UKIP thread and not the teachers thread as it no place on this thread. All you are trying to do s to confuse this thread - please keep to one topic at a time! BWFC71
  • Score: 2

10:04pm Thu 27 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

The reason you couldn't answer my questions is because you don't know the profession.

The sad thing is when I was at university I did 3 years of a 4 year teaching course to become a primary school teacher and as such I know quite a bit. I only dropped it due to various outside factors but continued with a normal degree. Therefore I know quite a bit and still know people in the profession, from university days, thus I keep my finger on the pulse. Also reading around the problems as to why they are striking you will find out the full truth and not what the papers tell you about, which is never the full picture!!! The press are always selective in what they tell you!

Now if you want to have a good discussion about the problems of teaching read about the problems and what is happening with the future of teaching and then come back and discuss, instead of just relying on the press!
The reason you couldn't answer my questions is because you don't know the profession. The sad thing is when I was at university I did 3 years of a 4 year teaching course to become a primary school teacher and as such I know quite a bit. I only dropped it due to various outside factors but continued with a normal degree. Therefore I know quite a bit and still know people in the profession, from university days, thus I keep my finger on the pulse. Also reading around the problems as to why they are striking you will find out the full truth and not what the papers tell you about, which is never the full picture!!! The press are always selective in what they tell you! Now if you want to have a good discussion about the problems of teaching read about the problems and what is happening with the future of teaching and then come back and discuss, instead of just relying on the press! BWFC71
  • Score: 0

7:40am Fri 28 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
The reason you couldn't answer my questions is because you don't know the profession. The sad thing is when I was at university I did 3 years of a 4 year teaching course to become a primary school teacher and as such I know quite a bit. I only dropped it due to various outside factors but continued with a normal degree. Therefore I know quite a bit and still know people in the profession, from university days, thus I keep my finger on the pulse. Also reading around the problems as to why they are striking you will find out the full truth and not what the papers tell you about, which is never the full picture!!! The press are always selective in what they tell you! Now if you want to have a good discussion about the problems of teaching read about the problems and what is happening with the future of teaching and then come back and discuss, instead of just relying on the press!
Better to admit one does not know everything than be a jack of all trades and a master of none as you are. All the knowledge you have yet you dont vote so cant help anyone.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: The reason you couldn't answer my questions is because you don't know the profession. The sad thing is when I was at university I did 3 years of a 4 year teaching course to become a primary school teacher and as such I know quite a bit. I only dropped it due to various outside factors but continued with a normal degree. Therefore I know quite a bit and still know people in the profession, from university days, thus I keep my finger on the pulse. Also reading around the problems as to why they are striking you will find out the full truth and not what the papers tell you about, which is never the full picture!!! The press are always selective in what they tell you! Now if you want to have a good discussion about the problems of teaching read about the problems and what is happening with the future of teaching and then come back and discuss, instead of just relying on the press![/p][/quote]Better to admit one does not know everything than be a jack of all trades and a master of none as you are. All the knowledge you have yet you dont vote so cant help anyone. thomas222
  • Score: 0

10:58am Fri 28 Mar 14

berushka says...

quote from our mentor, BWFC: '
In comparison, my last job, which is in the private sector, I was earning about £32,000 and I had 36 days holiday (excluding Public holidays) and the number of holidays increased by 1 every 5 years as soon as I turned 40. My Current job I am earning a bit more than my last but I have 40 days holiday, excluding Bank Holiday, but I only work on average 40 hour weeks.'
should it not read 'which WAS in the private sector'? So,despite deriding the private sector, you were once quite happy to reap the benefits from it. Now, it seems, after failing to become a teacher, failing to survive in the real world, and having joined the club of brain-dead football hooligans, you have found your niche in the public sector, working for Bolton council, by the sound of it!
quote from our mentor, BWFC: ' In comparison, my last job, which is in the private sector, I was earning about £32,000 and I had 36 days holiday (excluding Public holidays) and the number of holidays increased by 1 every 5 years as soon as I turned 40. My Current job I am earning a bit more than my last but I have 40 days holiday, excluding Bank Holiday, but I only work on average 40 hour weeks.' should it not read 'which WAS in the private sector'? So,despite deriding the private sector, you were once quite happy to reap the benefits from it. Now, it seems, after failing to become a teacher, failing to survive in the real world, and having joined the club of brain-dead football hooligans, you have found your niche in the public sector, working for Bolton council, by the sound of it! berushka
  • Score: -1

11:00am Fri 28 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
The reason you couldn't answer my questions is because you don't know the profession. The sad thing is when I was at university I did 3 years of a 4 year teaching course to become a primary school teacher and as such I know quite a bit. I only dropped it due to various outside factors but continued with a normal degree. Therefore I know quite a bit and still know people in the profession, from university days, thus I keep my finger on the pulse. Also reading around the problems as to why they are striking you will find out the full truth and not what the papers tell you about, which is never the full picture!!! The press are always selective in what they tell you! Now if you want to have a good discussion about the problems of teaching read about the problems and what is happening with the future of teaching and then come back and discuss, instead of just relying on the press!
Better to admit one does not know everything than be a jack of all trades and a master of none as you are. All the knowledge you have yet you dont vote so cant help anyone.
Who says I don't help anyone??? In fact I am meeting with TfGM next Tuesday to sort out the problems with public transport in Bolton and I have also met ministers from the DfT with regards to the train network and a have a good communication line with various influential people in various genres to help this town become better - and that is without the help of so-called political parties who only have their own agenda which is 99% not good for the town!

Under the British Constitution I have the right to vote or not vote BUT that does not stop me from expressing myself or campaigning.

Now if you and UKIP want to change the British constitution then aren't you wanting to dissolve democracy as then you are forcing people to do this that and the other which is actually very akin to being a facist state and Government!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: The reason you couldn't answer my questions is because you don't know the profession. The sad thing is when I was at university I did 3 years of a 4 year teaching course to become a primary school teacher and as such I know quite a bit. I only dropped it due to various outside factors but continued with a normal degree. Therefore I know quite a bit and still know people in the profession, from university days, thus I keep my finger on the pulse. Also reading around the problems as to why they are striking you will find out the full truth and not what the papers tell you about, which is never the full picture!!! The press are always selective in what they tell you! Now if you want to have a good discussion about the problems of teaching read about the problems and what is happening with the future of teaching and then come back and discuss, instead of just relying on the press![/p][/quote]Better to admit one does not know everything than be a jack of all trades and a master of none as you are. All the knowledge you have yet you dont vote so cant help anyone.[/p][/quote]Who says I don't help anyone??? In fact I am meeting with TfGM next Tuesday to sort out the problems with public transport in Bolton and I have also met ministers from the DfT with regards to the train network and a have a good communication line with various influential people in various genres to help this town become better - and that is without the help of so-called political parties who only have their own agenda which is 99% not good for the town! Under the British Constitution I have the right to vote or not vote BUT that does not stop me from expressing myself or campaigning. Now if you and UKIP want to change the British constitution then aren't you wanting to dissolve democracy as then you are forcing people to do this that and the other which is actually very akin to being a facist state and Government! BWFC71
  • Score: 1

12:12pm Fri 28 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: The reason you couldn't answer my questions is because you don't know the profession. The sad thing is when I was at university I did 3 years of a 4 year teaching course to become a primary school teacher and as such I know quite a bit. I only dropped it due to various outside factors but continued with a normal degree. Therefore I know quite a bit and still know people in the profession, from university days, thus I keep my finger on the pulse. Also reading around the problems as to why they are striking you will find out the full truth and not what the papers tell you about, which is never the full picture!!! The press are always selective in what they tell you! Now if you want to have a good discussion about the problems of teaching read about the problems and what is happening with the future of teaching and then come back and discuss, instead of just relying on the press!
Better to admit one does not know everything than be a jack of all trades and a master of none as you are. All the knowledge you have yet you dont vote so cant help anyone.
Who says I don't help anyone??? In fact I am meeting with TfGM next Tuesday to sort out the problems with public transport in Bolton and I have also met ministers from the DfT with regards to the train network and a have a good communication line with various influential people in various genres to help this town become better - and that is without the help of so-called political parties who only have their own agenda which is 99% not good for the town! Under the British Constitution I have the right to vote or not vote BUT that does not stop me from expressing myself or campaigning. Now if you and UKIP want to change the British constitution then aren't you wanting to dissolve democracy as then you are forcing people to do this that and the other which is actually very akin to being a facist state and Government!
UKIP believe that you the people should be able to get involved in democracy through Swiss style referendums on key local & National interests- and force Politicians to listen. UKIP would also say no to MP pay rises at a time when others are suffering. Thats your democracy & facist state lie blown out of the water then.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: The reason you couldn't answer my questions is because you don't know the profession. The sad thing is when I was at university I did 3 years of a 4 year teaching course to become a primary school teacher and as such I know quite a bit. I only dropped it due to various outside factors but continued with a normal degree. Therefore I know quite a bit and still know people in the profession, from university days, thus I keep my finger on the pulse. Also reading around the problems as to why they are striking you will find out the full truth and not what the papers tell you about, which is never the full picture!!! The press are always selective in what they tell you! Now if you want to have a good discussion about the problems of teaching read about the problems and what is happening with the future of teaching and then come back and discuss, instead of just relying on the press![/p][/quote]Better to admit one does not know everything than be a jack of all trades and a master of none as you are. All the knowledge you have yet you dont vote so cant help anyone.[/p][/quote]Who says I don't help anyone??? In fact I am meeting with TfGM next Tuesday to sort out the problems with public transport in Bolton and I have also met ministers from the DfT with regards to the train network and a have a good communication line with various influential people in various genres to help this town become better - and that is without the help of so-called political parties who only have their own agenda which is 99% not good for the town! Under the British Constitution I have the right to vote or not vote BUT that does not stop me from expressing myself or campaigning. Now if you and UKIP want to change the British constitution then aren't you wanting to dissolve democracy as then you are forcing people to do this that and the other which is actually very akin to being a facist state and Government![/p][/quote]UKIP believe that you the people should be able to get involved in democracy through Swiss style referendums on key local & National interests- and force Politicians to listen. UKIP would also say no to MP pay rises at a time when others are suffering. Thats your democracy & facist state lie blown out of the water then. thomas222
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7:45pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Cyclone says...

There's no moaning in the summer or Xmas holidays on full pay when everyone in the private sector is still actually at work and most doing 40 to 70 hours a week.
There's no moaning in the summer or Xmas holidays on full pay when everyone in the private sector is still actually at work and most doing 40 to 70 hours a week. Cyclone
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8:55pm Fri 28 Mar 14

rufusbrown says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
The reason you couldn't answer my questions is because you don't know the profession. The sad thing is when I was at university I did 3 years of a 4 year teaching course to become a primary school teacher and as such I know quite a bit. I only dropped it due to various outside factors but continued with a normal degree. Therefore I know quite a bit and still know people in the profession, from university days, thus I keep my finger on the pulse. Also reading around the problems as to why they are striking you will find out the full truth and not what the papers tell you about, which is never the full picture!!! The press are always selective in what they tell you! Now if you want to have a good discussion about the problems of teaching read about the problems and what is happening with the future of teaching and then come back and discuss, instead of just relying on the press!
Better to admit one does not know everything than be a jack of all trades and a master of none as you are. All the knowledge you have yet you dont vote so cant help anyone.
Who says I don't help anyone??? In fact I am meeting with TfGM next Tuesday to sort out the problems with public transport in Bolton and I have also met ministers from the DfT with regards to the train network and a have a good communication line with various influential people in various genres to help this town become better - and that is without the help of so-called political parties who only have their own agenda which is 99% not good for the town!

Under the British Constitution I have the right to vote or not vote BUT that does not stop me from expressing myself or campaigning.

Now if you and UKIP want to change the British constitution then aren't you wanting to dissolve democracy as then you are forcing people to do this that and the other which is actually very akin to being a facist state and Government!
painful cringe

BWFC you do realise you are a complete and utter mental case and not the savior to the planet

sorting out problems with public transport ????

do you honestly live in a bubble

you couldnt sort out fighting your way out of a paper bag let alone anything else..........

wow you are creepy and unwell

you spend your entire life arguing on the internet !!!!

seek help
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: The reason you couldn't answer my questions is because you don't know the profession. The sad thing is when I was at university I did 3 years of a 4 year teaching course to become a primary school teacher and as such I know quite a bit. I only dropped it due to various outside factors but continued with a normal degree. Therefore I know quite a bit and still know people in the profession, from university days, thus I keep my finger on the pulse. Also reading around the problems as to why they are striking you will find out the full truth and not what the papers tell you about, which is never the full picture!!! The press are always selective in what they tell you! Now if you want to have a good discussion about the problems of teaching read about the problems and what is happening with the future of teaching and then come back and discuss, instead of just relying on the press![/p][/quote]Better to admit one does not know everything than be a jack of all trades and a master of none as you are. All the knowledge you have yet you dont vote so cant help anyone.[/p][/quote]Who says I don't help anyone??? In fact I am meeting with TfGM next Tuesday to sort out the problems with public transport in Bolton and I have also met ministers from the DfT with regards to the train network and a have a good communication line with various influential people in various genres to help this town become better - and that is without the help of so-called political parties who only have their own agenda which is 99% not good for the town! Under the British Constitution I have the right to vote or not vote BUT that does not stop me from expressing myself or campaigning. Now if you and UKIP want to change the British constitution then aren't you wanting to dissolve democracy as then you are forcing people to do this that and the other which is actually very akin to being a facist state and Government![/p][/quote]painful cringe BWFC you do realise you are a complete and utter mental case and not the savior to the planet sorting out problems with public transport ???? do you honestly live in a bubble you couldnt sort out fighting your way out of a paper bag let alone anything else.......... wow you are creepy and unwell you spend your entire life arguing on the internet !!!! seek help rufusbrown
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