Revealed: the 11 least hygienic restaurants, cafes and takeaways in Bolton (according to the Food Standards Agency)

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ELEVEN restaurants, cafes or takeaways in Bolton have received a rating of zero or one for food hygiene in the last six months, according to the Food Standards Agency.

Seven establishments have recorded scores of zero on the food hygiene rating scheme, which runs up to level five, meaning they require “urgent improvement”, while four premises receiving a level one score are said to require “major improvements”.

Several business owners have suggested that the ratings system is too harsh, while others have said they have been badly affected by previous owners.

Amjid Mirza, owner of A Star Chippy in Lever Street, which received a zero rating in December, said that after taking over in the autumn, the rating was chiefly due to the previous owners.

He said: “This place was being run a certain way for 25 years and we had only been here a few months when the inspector came.

“We have since spent a lot of money on cleaning and tidying the place and are confident we will achieve a much better score when she comes back.”

Farnworth is a hotspot for zero ratings, with three establishments being awarded the lowest score.

Chilli’s Pizza, in Market Street, was awarded a zero score in February, while the Curry Centre in Egerton Street received the same score last December.

The Godfather Pizza shop in Albert Road was also awarded a zero score in January. All three businesses were unavailable for comment.


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Completing the list of lowest scoring restaurants and takeaways in the borough are K2 Chippy in Halliwell Road; Tasty Chicken in Newport Street; and Yan Moon House in Montserrat Road. They were also unavailable for comment.

Achieving the higher score of one was the Abacus Oriental Restaurant in Horwich.

Director Tony Lau said: “In the past we have often had a rating of four stars and we think this rating was harsh, but we are correcting the minor things that were pointed out.”

Angelo Guido, owner of Angelo’s Pizzeria in Egerton, also felt his level one rating was harsh.

He said: “I felt like the inspector was picking on little things. We clean every day and don’t think it should be a one.”

Also achieving a level one rating was the Chuffas cafe, based on the platform at Bolton railway station.

Owner Sheila Griffiths said: “We were very surprised. The place is not dirty, but we are having a deep clean now.”

A council spokesman said: “Our food team has a vital role in improving food hygiene and standards, particularly in those premises not achieving a satisfactory standard in food hygiene.”

Bromley Crust in Darwen Road, Bromley Cross, got a rating of one. No-one was available for comment.

The 11 lowest hygiene ratings in Bolton:

  • A Star Chippy, Lever Street, Great Lever - 0
  • Chilli’s Pizza, Market Street, Farnworth - 0
  • The Curry Centre, Egerton Street, Farnworth - 0
  • Godfather Pizza, Albert Road, Farnworth - 0
  • K2 Chippy, Halliwell Road - 0
  • Tasty Chicken, Newport Street - 0
  • Yan Moon House, Montserrat Road - 0
  • Abacus Oriental Restaurant, Horwich - 1
  • Angelo’s Pizzeria, Egerton - 1
  • Chuffas cafe, Bolton railway station - 1
  • Bromley Crust, Darwen Road, Bromley Cross - 1

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12:26pm Wed 2 Apr 14

cliff4treasurer says...

"Owner Sheila Griffiths said: “We were very surprised. The place is not dirty, but we are having a deep clean now.”

So what is it exactly you are cleaning ?
"Owner Sheila Griffiths said: “We were very surprised. The place is not dirty, but we are having a deep clean now.” So what is it exactly you are cleaning ? cliff4treasurer
  • Score: 82

12:43pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Bolton Lad 85 says...

Very simple anyone with a rating of 0 or 1 must close for 7 days. In that time if they are not at level 4 in hygeine they are not allowed open till they are. These people will only act when forced. Level one or zero should also result in a minimum 1k fine. And up to 500k for larger businesses.

Also the fine is with the business owner not the company.
Very simple anyone with a rating of 0 or 1 must close for 7 days. In that time if they are not at level 4 in hygeine they are not allowed open till they are. These people will only act when forced. Level one or zero should also result in a minimum 1k fine. And up to 500k for larger businesses. Also the fine is with the business owner not the company. Bolton Lad 85
  • Score: 91

12:49pm Wed 2 Apr 14

boltonnut says...

Third world standards seem to accepted as the norm these days.
Third world standards seem to accepted as the norm these days. boltonnut
  • Score: 65

12:54pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Mick England says...

Can anyone spot the demographic?
Can anyone spot the demographic? Mick England
  • Score: 49

1:00pm Wed 2 Apr 14

gingernutz says...

I find the ratings useful. However more information about what the rating was awarded for. Zero - do they actually do any cleaning?
I find the ratings useful. However more information about what the rating was awarded for. Zero - do they actually do any cleaning? gingernutz
  • Score: 38

1:16pm Wed 2 Apr 14

flats2let says...

It looks like the writer can not count as Horwich has TWO restaurants rated at just ONE and not just Abacus Oriental he should have checked out Mumbai Indian restaurant!!!

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It looks like the writer can not count as Horwich has TWO restaurants rated at just ONE and not just Abacus Oriental he should have checked out Mumbai Indian restaurant!!! http://ratings.food. gov.uk/business/en-G B/145742/Mumbai-Indi an-Restaurant-Horwic h flats2let
  • Score: 13

1:22pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Bilulek says...

Can someone explain how thenBolton team can go to a place and score them 0 or 1 and the place stays open??? What's the point for scoring then? - those with 5proudly showing it off in windows, those with low scores just keep on doing the dirty job. Like mentioned above - shut the place, give a week for cleaning, if no change them bugger them shut them completely. Otherwise, the team might be sacked as their scoring doesn't change anything.
Can someone explain how thenBolton team can go to a place and score them 0 or 1 and the place stays open??? What's the point for scoring then? - those with 5proudly showing it off in windows, those with low scores just keep on doing the dirty job. Like mentioned above - shut the place, give a week for cleaning, if no change them bugger them shut them completely. Otherwise, the team might be sacked as their scoring doesn't change anything. Bilulek
  • Score: 58

1:26pm Wed 2 Apr 14

JedWard50 says...

Not all these places are under the same 'demographic'. The ratings should be far more explanatory, I visit 2 of these places often and have no complaints regards hygene and cleanliness and service and good food. But if there is something as sinister as a 0 or 1 rating suggests then we need to know what exactly. Most of these are local businesses which we should support and I am sure if the actual findings were published we would find the reasons scare mongering. Lets face it the obvious dirty, unhelathy places with rats running through them are aloud to trade???
Not all these places are under the same 'demographic'. The ratings should be far more explanatory, I visit 2 of these places often and have no complaints regards hygene and cleanliness and service and good food. But if there is something as sinister as a 0 or 1 rating suggests then we need to know what exactly. Most of these are local businesses which we should support and I am sure if the actual findings were published we would find the reasons scare mongering. Lets face it the obvious dirty, unhelathy places with rats running through them are aloud to trade??? JedWard50
  • Score: 13

1:51pm Wed 2 Apr 14

oftbewildered2 says...

I think all food establishments should display their food hygiene rating, regardless of whether it is a 1 or a 5 - I only every see fives. If there is no food rating on display, I do not use the place.
I think all food establishments should display their food hygiene rating, regardless of whether it is a 1 or a 5 - I only every see fives. If there is no food rating on display, I do not use the place. oftbewildered2
  • Score: 34

2:32pm Wed 2 Apr 14

steveG says...

Mick England wrote:
Can anyone spot the demographic?
I think if you are able to spot the demograhic then that must make you racist.
Gordon Brown told me.
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: Can anyone spot the demographic?[/p][/quote]I think if you are able to spot the demograhic then that must make you racist. Gordon Brown told me. steveG
  • Score: 11

3:18pm Wed 2 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

There again we have to be very careful with regards to these ratings.

Mezzo in the Market Place has got a 5 star rating yet its sister café Cappucino's recently had a 0 rating overturned to 5 but guess what they both use the same kitchens!!!!! So how one establishment have 0 and the other 5 when its the same kitchen?
There again we have to be very careful with regards to these ratings. Mezzo in the Market Place has got a 5 star rating yet its sister café Cappucino's recently had a 0 rating overturned to 5 but guess what they both use the same kitchens!!!!! So how one establishment have 0 and the other 5 when its the same kitchen? The Righteous One
  • Score: 41

3:34pm Wed 2 Apr 14

stantheman133 says...

Mezzo/ Cappucino's its called cheating. One can't use the same kitchen and get differant ratings.
Mezzo/ Cappucino's its called cheating. One can't use the same kitchen and get differant ratings. stantheman133
  • Score: 11

3:39pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

Getting so bad the Cockroaches are moving out.
Getting so bad the Cockroaches are moving out. Jim271
  • Score: 15

3:46pm Wed 2 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

stantheman133 wrote:
Mezzo/ Cappucino's its called cheating. One can't use the same kitchen and get differant ratings.
But that is what happened. Mezzo gained a 5 rating when Cappucino's gained a zero and when Cappucino's appealed the decision it then gained a 5 rating.

That is another things with the ratings how can any place go from 0 to 5 with only I inspection - its unheard of in any other industry without having an intermediate rating.
[quote][p][bold]stantheman133[/bold] wrote: Mezzo/ Cappucino's its called cheating. One can't use the same kitchen and get differant ratings.[/p][/quote]But that is what happened. Mezzo gained a 5 rating when Cappucino's gained a zero and when Cappucino's appealed the decision it then gained a 5 rating. That is another things with the ratings how can any place go from 0 to 5 with only I inspection - its unheard of in any other industry without having an intermediate rating. The Righteous One
  • Score: -15

4:32pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Gill bolton says...

Can't beat cooking at home you know what is in the food and you know weather your own kitchen is clean or not. I can't stand take aways.
Can't beat cooking at home you know what is in the food and you know weather your own kitchen is clean or not. I can't stand take aways. Gill bolton
  • Score: 28

4:45pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Regulatory Man says...

These ratings are a farce. Take the takeaway van's for example as a 0-1 rating can simply mean they don't have anywhere to wash their hands. Now that doesn't mean they aren't, just that they dont have that sink facility on their site. Ratings are no substitute for eyes and ears which is what I use to determine the hygiene of a place and it has always served me well.

If a rating is given that deems a place poor enough for public health or safety concerns then the business must be shut until the recommended changes have been made otherwise why do they bother rating them?

Irony is when we were kids they didn't have all these politically correct, do gooder, jobsworth ratings and yes maybe some places weren't the most cleanly of places to eat but we didn't all grow up with bugs, food poisoning etc.

Today with all the cleanliness in place it's rife. Probably because we have all become so anal at cleaning and it has become overkill. Maybe we are all just so obsessed with cleaning that we've taken away our tolerance to a few germs here and there and our systems can't cope when they do have something that impacts it.

I also think given the multi cultural freedoms that we have today people can come and go in and out of the country legally (on holiday, business) or indeed illegally and though many may be inoculated from diseases and germs from the places they visit, there's no safeguard for those who haven't been to these places but have to frequent those that have in public places etc.

Today we have much more opportunity to travel to places far and wide whereas 30 years or so ago we were less likely too.

Makes you wonder.
These ratings are a farce. Take the takeaway van's for example as a 0-1 rating can simply mean they don't have anywhere to wash their hands. Now that doesn't mean they aren't, just that they dont have that sink facility on their site. Ratings are no substitute for eyes and ears which is what I use to determine the hygiene of a place and it has always served me well. If a rating is given that deems a place poor enough for public health or safety concerns then the business must be shut until the recommended changes have been made otherwise why do they bother rating them? Irony is when we were kids they didn't have all these politically correct, do gooder, jobsworth ratings and yes maybe some places weren't the most cleanly of places to eat but we didn't all grow up with bugs, food poisoning etc. Today with all the cleanliness in place it's rife. Probably because we have all become so anal at cleaning and it has become overkill. Maybe we are all just so obsessed with cleaning that we've taken away our tolerance to a few germs here and there and our systems can't cope when they do have something that impacts it. I also think given the multi cultural freedoms that we have today people can come and go in and out of the country legally (on holiday, business) or indeed illegally and though many may be inoculated from diseases and germs from the places they visit, there's no safeguard for those who haven't been to these places but have to frequent those that have in public places etc. Today we have much more opportunity to travel to places far and wide whereas 30 years or so ago we were less likely too. Makes you wonder. Regulatory Man
  • Score: 8

5:07pm Wed 2 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Regulatory Man wrote:
These ratings are a farce. Take the takeaway van's for example as a 0-1 rating can simply mean they don't have anywhere to wash their hands. Now that doesn't mean they aren't, just that they dont have that sink facility on their site. Ratings are no substitute for eyes and ears which is what I use to determine the hygiene of a place and it has always served me well.

If a rating is given that deems a place poor enough for public health or safety concerns then the business must be shut until the recommended changes have been made otherwise why do they bother rating them?

Irony is when we were kids they didn't have all these politically correct, do gooder, jobsworth ratings and yes maybe some places weren't the most cleanly of places to eat but we didn't all grow up with bugs, food poisoning etc.

Today with all the cleanliness in place it's rife. Probably because we have all become so anal at cleaning and it has become overkill. Maybe we are all just so obsessed with cleaning that we've taken away our tolerance to a few germs here and there and our systems can't cope when they do have something that impacts it.

I also think given the multi cultural freedoms that we have today people can come and go in and out of the country legally (on holiday, business) or indeed illegally and though many may be inoculated from diseases and germs from the places they visit, there's no safeguard for those who haven't been to these places but have to frequent those that have in public places etc.

Today we have much more opportunity to travel to places far and wide whereas 30 years or so ago we were less likely too.

Makes you wonder.
Very well put RM and couldn't have said it better myself.

t least you also see the true value of these ratings - which is basically none!!! :-)
[quote][p][bold]Regulatory Man[/bold] wrote: These ratings are a farce. Take the takeaway van's for example as a 0-1 rating can simply mean they don't have anywhere to wash their hands. Now that doesn't mean they aren't, just that they dont have that sink facility on their site. Ratings are no substitute for eyes and ears which is what I use to determine the hygiene of a place and it has always served me well. If a rating is given that deems a place poor enough for public health or safety concerns then the business must be shut until the recommended changes have been made otherwise why do they bother rating them? Irony is when we were kids they didn't have all these politically correct, do gooder, jobsworth ratings and yes maybe some places weren't the most cleanly of places to eat but we didn't all grow up with bugs, food poisoning etc. Today with all the cleanliness in place it's rife. Probably because we have all become so anal at cleaning and it has become overkill. Maybe we are all just so obsessed with cleaning that we've taken away our tolerance to a few germs here and there and our systems can't cope when they do have something that impacts it. I also think given the multi cultural freedoms that we have today people can come and go in and out of the country legally (on holiday, business) or indeed illegally and though many may be inoculated from diseases and germs from the places they visit, there's no safeguard for those who haven't been to these places but have to frequent those that have in public places etc. Today we have much more opportunity to travel to places far and wide whereas 30 years or so ago we were less likely too. Makes you wonder.[/p][/quote]Very well put RM and couldn't have said it better myself. t least you also see the true value of these ratings - which is basically none!!! :-) The Righteous One
  • Score: -41

6:26pm Wed 2 Apr 14

atlas123 says...

I asked a local butty shop today who has a five star rating if they had to work hard for it and go the extra mile.

Her response was along the lines of, you just need to keep everything in order, keep raw meat products and implements away from cooked meat and implements and basically make sure you clean as you go notheing more than she would at home.

Other thah that she just documents the process trail to evidence a system.
I asked a local butty shop today who has a five star rating if they had to work hard for it and go the extra mile. Her response was along the lines of, you just need to keep everything in order, keep raw meat products and implements away from cooked meat and implements and basically make sure you clean as you go notheing more than she would at home. Other thah that she just documents the process trail to evidence a system. atlas123
  • Score: 13

7:10pm Wed 2 Apr 14

I Burrow says...

Standards have to set and continually cuddles.. Credit were it is due, well done Bolton Council and BN for reporting. I am sure customers will vote with their "feet" If they dont react and improve. Star ratings should be displayed. Obviously only outlets with high stars will . Keep the bar high !
Standards have to set and continually cuddles.. Credit were it is due, well done Bolton Council and BN for reporting. I am sure customers will vote with their "feet" If they dont react and improve. Star ratings should be displayed. Obviously only outlets with high stars will . Keep the bar high ! I Burrow
  • Score: 8

7:14pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Reed Lover says...

boltonnut wrote:
Third world standards seem to accepted as the norm these days.
Clearly they aren't, hence the name and shame.
[quote][p][bold]boltonnut[/bold] wrote: Third world standards seem to accepted as the norm these days.[/p][/quote]Clearly they aren't, hence the name and shame. Reed Lover
  • Score: 8

7:18pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Reed Lover says...

Mick England wrote:
Can anyone spot the demographic?
Cappucinos, Godfather Pizza, Angelo's Pizzeria?
Sound Italian to me. Two actually are.
That discount meat warehouse place, corner of Trinity St/Bradshawgate, what demographic was that?
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: Can anyone spot the demographic?[/p][/quote]Cappucinos, Godfather Pizza, Angelo's Pizzeria? Sound Italian to me. Two actually are. That discount meat warehouse place, corner of Trinity St/Bradshawgate, what demographic was that? Reed Lover
  • Score: 15

8:24pm Wed 2 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

I Burrow wrote:
Standards have to set and continually cuddles.. Credit were it is due, well done Bolton Council and BN for reporting. I am sure customers will vote with their "feet" If they dont react and improve. Star ratings should be displayed. Obviously only outlets with high stars will . Keep the bar high !
But how can you trust it when the inspection is about 70% paperwork and 30% hygiene and cleanliness?

Basically you could have an establishment with 5 stars solely based upon its paperwork but poor hygiene and cleanliness conditions!!!
[quote][p][bold]I Burrow[/bold] wrote: Standards have to set and continually cuddles.. Credit were it is due, well done Bolton Council and BN for reporting. I am sure customers will vote with their "feet" If they dont react and improve. Star ratings should be displayed. Obviously only outlets with high stars will . Keep the bar high ![/p][/quote]But how can you trust it when the inspection is about 70% paperwork and 30% hygiene and cleanliness? Basically you could have an establishment with 5 stars solely based upon its paperwork but poor hygiene and cleanliness conditions!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -15

9:51pm Wed 2 Apr 14

fatboybwfc says...

atlas123 wrote:
I asked a local butty shop today who has a five star rating if they had to work hard for it and go the extra mile.

Her response was along the lines of, you just need to keep everything in order, keep raw meat products and implements away from cooked meat and implements and basically make sure you clean as you go notheing more than she would at home.

Other thah that she just documents the process trail to evidence a system.
well said shes spot on its about a trail back to the farmer or grower in case of problems
[quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: I asked a local butty shop today who has a five star rating if they had to work hard for it and go the extra mile. Her response was along the lines of, you just need to keep everything in order, keep raw meat products and implements away from cooked meat and implements and basically make sure you clean as you go notheing more than she would at home. Other thah that she just documents the process trail to evidence a system.[/p][/quote]well said shes spot on its about a trail back to the farmer or grower in case of problems fatboybwfc
  • Score: 5

9:56pm Wed 2 Apr 14

fatboybwfc says...

Bolton Lad 85 wrote:
Very simple anyone with a rating of 0 or 1 must close for 7 days. In that time if they are not at level 4 in hygeine they are not allowed open till they are. These people will only act when forced. Level one or zero should also result in a minimum 1k fine. And up to 500k for larger businesses.

Also the fine is with the business owner not the company.
the majority of the problems is paperwork dirty places get sut immediatley
[quote][p][bold]Bolton Lad 85[/bold] wrote: Very simple anyone with a rating of 0 or 1 must close for 7 days. In that time if they are not at level 4 in hygeine they are not allowed open till they are. These people will only act when forced. Level one or zero should also result in a minimum 1k fine. And up to 500k for larger businesses. Also the fine is with the business owner not the company.[/p][/quote]the majority of the problems is paperwork dirty places get sut immediatley fatboybwfc
  • Score: -8

10:18pm Wed 2 Apr 14

salviv15 says...

If planning permission wasn't given to make every empty shop on the high st into a take away it may not be as bad.
If planning permission wasn't given to make every empty shop on the high st into a take away it may not be as bad. salviv15
  • Score: 11

10:33pm Wed 2 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
I Burrow wrote:
Standards have to set and continually cuddles.. Credit were it is due, well done Bolton Council and BN for reporting. I am sure customers will vote with their "feet" If they dont react and improve. Star ratings should be displayed. Obviously only outlets with high stars will . Keep the bar high !
But how can you trust it when the inspection is about 70% paperwork and 30% hygiene and cleanliness?

Basically you could have an establishment with 5 stars solely based upon its paperwork but poor hygiene and cleanliness conditions!!!
Why dont you tell us the name of your cafe ?
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I Burrow[/bold] wrote: Standards have to set and continually cuddles.. Credit were it is due, well done Bolton Council and BN for reporting. I am sure customers will vote with their "feet" If they dont react and improve. Star ratings should be displayed. Obviously only outlets with high stars will . Keep the bar high ![/p][/quote]But how can you trust it when the inspection is about 70% paperwork and 30% hygiene and cleanliness? Basically you could have an establishment with 5 stars solely based upon its paperwork but poor hygiene and cleanliness conditions!!![/p][/quote]Why dont you tell us the name of your cafe ? thomas222
  • Score: 8

5:24am Thu 3 Apr 14

ARBEE says...

I remember eating in a cafe at the bottom of derby street over 60 years ago
after the pubs shut,sometime you had to wait for a table to come empty, it was that popular,first class grub, there was a sign on the counter offering patrons the chance to inspect their kitchen saying all you had to do was ask,its
not my nature to be rude but immigration has a lot to answer for.
I remember eating in a cafe at the bottom of derby street over 60 years ago after the pubs shut,sometime you had to wait for a table to come empty, it was that popular,first class grub, there was a sign on the counter offering patrons the chance to inspect their kitchen saying all you had to do was ask,its not my nature to be rude but immigration has a lot to answer for. ARBEE
  • Score: 13

7:59am Thu 3 Apr 14

Reed Lover says...

The Righteous One wrote:
stantheman133 wrote:
Mezzo/ Cappucino's its called cheating. One can't use the same kitchen and get differant ratings.
But that is what happened. Mezzo gained a 5 rating when Cappucino's gained a zero and when Cappucino's appealed the decision it then gained a 5 rating.

That is another things with the ratings how can any place go from 0 to 5 with only I inspection - its unheard of in any other industry without having an intermediate rating.
It's not a subjective rating, that's why. These aren't scores from judges evaluating artistic merit.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stantheman133[/bold] wrote: Mezzo/ Cappucino's its called cheating. One can't use the same kitchen and get differant ratings.[/p][/quote]But that is what happened. Mezzo gained a 5 rating when Cappucino's gained a zero and when Cappucino's appealed the decision it then gained a 5 rating. That is another things with the ratings how can any place go from 0 to 5 with only I inspection - its unheard of in any other industry without having an intermediate rating.[/p][/quote]It's not a subjective rating, that's why. These aren't scores from judges evaluating artistic merit. Reed Lover
  • Score: 4

9:50am Thu 3 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Reed Lover wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
stantheman133 wrote:
Mezzo/ Cappucino's its called cheating. One can't use the same kitchen and get differant ratings.
But that is what happened. Mezzo gained a 5 rating when Cappucino's gained a zero and when Cappucino's appealed the decision it then gained a 5 rating.

That is another things with the ratings how can any place go from 0 to 5 with only I inspection - its unheard of in any other industry without having an intermediate rating.
It's not a subjective rating, that's why. These aren't scores from judges evaluating artistic merit.
Exactly so how can an establishment go from 0 to 5 without an intermediate rating to show that the establishment has/continually improving?

Because an establishment could actually get rating of 0 - 5 - 0 - 5 - 0 and so on thus making a mockery of the ratings without any signs of true developing improvement!
[quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stantheman133[/bold] wrote: Mezzo/ Cappucino's its called cheating. One can't use the same kitchen and get differant ratings.[/p][/quote]But that is what happened. Mezzo gained a 5 rating when Cappucino's gained a zero and when Cappucino's appealed the decision it then gained a 5 rating. That is another things with the ratings how can any place go from 0 to 5 with only I inspection - its unheard of in any other industry without having an intermediate rating.[/p][/quote]It's not a subjective rating, that's why. These aren't scores from judges evaluating artistic merit.[/p][/quote]Exactly so how can an establishment go from 0 to 5 without an intermediate rating to show that the establishment has/continually improving? Because an establishment could actually get rating of 0 - 5 - 0 - 5 - 0 and so on thus making a mockery of the ratings without any signs of true developing improvement! The Righteous One
  • Score: -31

4:32pm Thu 3 Apr 14

bumblebeefeet says...

atlas123 wrote:
I asked a local butty shop today who has a five star rating if they had to work hard for it and go the extra mile.

Her response was along the lines of, you just need to keep everything in order, keep raw meat products and implements away from cooked meat and implements and basically make sure you clean as you go notheing more than she would at home.

Other thah that she just documents the process trail to evidence a system.
Thats exactly right - I work in a kitchen and have always had a 4 (structural issues with management) then got a 5 when they were sorted. Providing all food is stored correctly and no rats/bugs etc can get in, and of course you cook everything well it is just a matter of keeping things clean and tidy. There must be real issues if they get 1 or 0.
[quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: I asked a local butty shop today who has a five star rating if they had to work hard for it and go the extra mile. Her response was along the lines of, you just need to keep everything in order, keep raw meat products and implements away from cooked meat and implements and basically make sure you clean as you go notheing more than she would at home. Other thah that she just documents the process trail to evidence a system.[/p][/quote]Thats exactly right - I work in a kitchen and have always had a 4 (structural issues with management) then got a 5 when they were sorted. Providing all food is stored correctly and no rats/bugs etc can get in, and of course you cook everything well it is just a matter of keeping things clean and tidy. There must be real issues if they get 1 or 0. bumblebeefeet
  • Score: 5

7:31pm Thu 3 Apr 14

fatboybwfc says...

mezzo and cappacinos don't have the same kitchen one is upstairs one downstairs at opposite ends of the building
mezzo and cappacinos don't have the same kitchen one is upstairs one downstairs at opposite ends of the building fatboybwfc
  • Score: 6

7:32pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Coleygiz says...

I've been in Angelo's a few times and the place was spotless
I've been in Angelo's a few times and the place was spotless Coleygiz
  • Score: 2

8:13pm Thu 3 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

fatboybwfc wrote:
mezzo and cappacinos don't have the same kitchen one is upstairs one downstairs at opposite ends of the building
They do have the same kitchen where the food is prepared before going under the "heaters" in the different cafe's. The actual kitchen for the two cafe's are in the vaults!
[quote][p][bold]fatboybwfc[/bold] wrote: mezzo and cappacinos don't have the same kitchen one is upstairs one downstairs at opposite ends of the building[/p][/quote]They do have the same kitchen where the food is prepared before going under the "heaters" in the different cafe's. The actual kitchen for the two cafe's are in the vaults! The Righteous One
  • Score: -36

10:24pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Smeagol says...

Regulatory Man wrote:
These ratings are a farce. Take the takeaway van's for example as a 0-1 rating can simply mean they don't have anywhere to wash their hands. Now that doesn't mean they aren't, just that they dont have that sink facility on their site. Ratings are no substitute for eyes and ears which is what I use to determine the hygiene of a place and it has always served me well.

If a rating is given that deems a place poor enough for public health or safety concerns then the business must be shut until the recommended changes have been made otherwise why do they bother rating them?

Irony is when we were kids they didn't have all these politically correct, do gooder, jobsworth ratings and yes maybe some places weren't the most cleanly of places to eat but we didn't all grow up with bugs, food poisoning etc.

Today with all the cleanliness in place it's rife. Probably because we have all become so anal at cleaning and it has become overkill. Maybe we are all just so obsessed with cleaning that we've taken away our tolerance to a few germs here and there and our systems can't cope when they do have something that impacts it.

I also think given the multi cultural freedoms that we have today people can come and go in and out of the country legally (on holiday, business) or indeed illegally and though many may be inoculated from diseases and germs from the places they visit, there's no safeguard for those who haven't been to these places but have to frequent those that have in public places etc.

Today we have much more opportunity to travel to places far and wide whereas 30 years or so ago we were less likely too.

Makes you wonder.
And you think it's ok for food to be prepared and sold in a venu with nowhere for the vendor to wash their hands?
[quote][p][bold]Regulatory Man[/bold] wrote: These ratings are a farce. Take the takeaway van's for example as a 0-1 rating can simply mean they don't have anywhere to wash their hands. Now that doesn't mean they aren't, just that they dont have that sink facility on their site. Ratings are no substitute for eyes and ears which is what I use to determine the hygiene of a place and it has always served me well. If a rating is given that deems a place poor enough for public health or safety concerns then the business must be shut until the recommended changes have been made otherwise why do they bother rating them? Irony is when we were kids they didn't have all these politically correct, do gooder, jobsworth ratings and yes maybe some places weren't the most cleanly of places to eat but we didn't all grow up with bugs, food poisoning etc. Today with all the cleanliness in place it's rife. Probably because we have all become so anal at cleaning and it has become overkill. Maybe we are all just so obsessed with cleaning that we've taken away our tolerance to a few germs here and there and our systems can't cope when they do have something that impacts it. I also think given the multi cultural freedoms that we have today people can come and go in and out of the country legally (on holiday, business) or indeed illegally and though many may be inoculated from diseases and germs from the places they visit, there's no safeguard for those who haven't been to these places but have to frequent those that have in public places etc. Today we have much more opportunity to travel to places far and wide whereas 30 years or so ago we were less likely too. Makes you wonder.[/p][/quote]And you think it's ok for food to be prepared and sold in a venu with nowhere for the vendor to wash their hands? Smeagol
  • Score: 5

10:26pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Smeagol says...

Smeagol wrote:
Regulatory Man wrote:
These ratings are a farce. Take the takeaway van's for example as a 0-1 rating can simply mean they don't have anywhere to wash their hands. Now that doesn't mean they aren't, just that they dont have that sink facility on their site. Ratings are no substitute for eyes and ears which is what I use to determine the hygiene of a place and it has always served me well.

If a rating is given that deems a place poor enough for public health or safety concerns then the business must be shut until the recommended changes have been made otherwise why do they bother rating them?

Irony is when we were kids they didn't have all these politically correct, do gooder, jobsworth ratings and yes maybe some places weren't the most cleanly of places to eat but we didn't all grow up with bugs, food poisoning etc.

Today with all the cleanliness in place it's rife. Probably because we have all become so anal at cleaning and it has become overkill. Maybe we are all just so obsessed with cleaning that we've taken away our tolerance to a few germs here and there and our systems can't cope when they do have something that impacts it.

I also think given the multi cultural freedoms that we have today people can come and go in and out of the country legally (on holiday, business) or indeed illegally and though many may be inoculated from diseases and germs from the places they visit, there's no safeguard for those who haven't been to these places but have to frequent those that have in public places etc.

Today we have much more opportunity to travel to places far and wide whereas 30 years or so ago we were less likely too.

Makes you wonder.
And you think it's ok for food to be prepared and sold in a venu with nowhere for the vendor to wash their hands?
And I know I missed the "e" off "venue" so don't let that distract anyone from the issue at hand.
[quote][p][bold]Smeagol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Regulatory Man[/bold] wrote: These ratings are a farce. Take the takeaway van's for example as a 0-1 rating can simply mean they don't have anywhere to wash their hands. Now that doesn't mean they aren't, just that they dont have that sink facility on their site. Ratings are no substitute for eyes and ears which is what I use to determine the hygiene of a place and it has always served me well. If a rating is given that deems a place poor enough for public health or safety concerns then the business must be shut until the recommended changes have been made otherwise why do they bother rating them? Irony is when we were kids they didn't have all these politically correct, do gooder, jobsworth ratings and yes maybe some places weren't the most cleanly of places to eat but we didn't all grow up with bugs, food poisoning etc. Today with all the cleanliness in place it's rife. Probably because we have all become so anal at cleaning and it has become overkill. Maybe we are all just so obsessed with cleaning that we've taken away our tolerance to a few germs here and there and our systems can't cope when they do have something that impacts it. I also think given the multi cultural freedoms that we have today people can come and go in and out of the country legally (on holiday, business) or indeed illegally and though many may be inoculated from diseases and germs from the places they visit, there's no safeguard for those who haven't been to these places but have to frequent those that have in public places etc. Today we have much more opportunity to travel to places far and wide whereas 30 years or so ago we were less likely too. Makes you wonder.[/p][/quote]And you think it's ok for food to be prepared and sold in a venu with nowhere for the vendor to wash their hands?[/p][/quote]And I know I missed the "e" off "venue" so don't let that distract anyone from the issue at hand. Smeagol
  • Score: 0

12:32pm Sat 5 Apr 14

macauley says...

curry centre farnworth?.
curry centre farnworth?. macauley
  • Score: 0

3:26pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Lancashire always says...

oftbewildered2 wrote:
I think all food establishments should display their food hygiene rating, regardless of whether it is a 1 or a 5 - I only every see fives. If there is no food rating on display, I do not use the place.
And the date awarded !!
[quote][p][bold]oftbewildered2[/bold] wrote: I think all food establishments should display their food hygiene rating, regardless of whether it is a 1 or a 5 - I only every see fives. If there is no food rating on display, I do not use the place.[/p][/quote]And the date awarded !! Lancashire always
  • Score: 3

9:49pm Sat 5 Apr 14

VIGILANTE VIC says...

OH DEAR MY POST HAS BEEN DELETED.. THAT'S A PITY AS I HAD 55 THUMBS UP FOR IT LOL
OH DEAR MY POST HAS BEEN DELETED.. THAT'S A PITY AS I HAD 55 THUMBS UP FOR IT LOL VIGILANTE VIC
  • Score: 2

9:54pm Sat 5 Apr 14

VIGILANTE VIC says...

OH DEAR WHY WAS MY POST DELETED ? AND IT HAD 55 THUMBS UP AS WELL :-)
OH DEAR WHY WAS MY POST DELETED ? AND IT HAD 55 THUMBS UP AS WELL :-) VIGILANTE VIC
  • Score: 0

3:02am Tue 15 Apr 14

sammie@eventertainments.co.uk says...

We live on the street that is adjacent to Darwen Road where Bromley Crust is, we buy sandwiches, pasties, pies, and soup from there all the time. NEVER had a problem with their food, or their hygiene when cooking food. Everything is in containers, in fridges, kept fresh, they make the sandwiches in front of you, all fresh products. I've been in very late on in the day, seen them dispose of leftovers from that days service, so they obviously prepare it all fresh each day.

I used to follow these ratings, but now, im not too sure I will do, I know Bromley Crust to be decent scran (in fact, we had sandiwches made up from there today for dinner!) so I fail to see how they didnt get a higher rating. You can see the fridges, preparation area, and everything, it's all as it should be in my eyes! I've worked in kitchens that have been HORRENDOUS, and yet still served food, but this place looks clean and tidy always, and as I said, foods lovely :)

Im not affiliated with them, I just felt the need to defend them when I feel they don't deserve this kind of negative publicity.

There are TONNES of 0 or 1 rated food establishments in Bolton, why pick on these 11???

Funny how Wayne walkers never made it onto the list when they were found to be selling rotten meat, with infestations in the back and allsorts, yet you didnt do them a write up initially about their 0 rating, until people of Bolton kicked up a fuss, and it came out that you wouldnt publicise their negative rating as they paid sponsorship towards the paper :/ seems a bit biased to me, but who am I to say anything eh?!
We live on the street that is adjacent to Darwen Road where Bromley Crust is, we buy sandwiches, pasties, pies, and soup from there all the time. NEVER had a problem with their food, or their hygiene when cooking food. Everything is in containers, in fridges, kept fresh, they make the sandwiches in front of you, all fresh products. I've been in very late on in the day, seen them dispose of leftovers from that days service, so they obviously prepare it all fresh each day. I used to follow these ratings, but now, im not too sure I will do, I know Bromley Crust to be decent scran (in fact, we had sandiwches made up from there today for dinner!) so I fail to see how they didnt get a higher rating. You can see the fridges, preparation area, and everything, it's all as it should be in my eyes! I've worked in kitchens that have been HORRENDOUS, and yet still served food, but this place looks clean and tidy always, and as I said, foods lovely :) Im not affiliated with them, I just felt the need to defend them when I feel they don't deserve this kind of negative publicity. There are TONNES of 0 or 1 rated food establishments in Bolton, why pick on these 11??? Funny how Wayne walkers never made it onto the list when they were found to be selling rotten meat, with infestations in the back and allsorts, yet you didnt do them a write up initially about their 0 rating, until people of Bolton kicked up a fuss, and it came out that you wouldnt publicise their negative rating as they paid sponsorship towards the paper :/ seems a bit biased to me, but who am I to say anything eh?! sammie@eventertainments.co.uk
  • Score: 0

11:44pm Thu 1 May 14

langtonbrow says...

Mick England wrote:
Can anyone spot the demographic?
A lot of the premises seem to have an Islamic influence
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: Can anyone spot the demographic?[/p][/quote]A lot of the premises seem to have an Islamic influence langtonbrow
  • Score: 3

11:50pm Thu 1 May 14

langtonbrow says...

ARBEE wrote:
I remember eating in a cafe at the bottom of derby street over 60 years ago
after the pubs shut,sometime you had to wait for a table to come empty, it was that popular,first class grub, there was a sign on the counter offering patrons the chance to inspect their kitchen saying all you had to do was ask,its
not my nature to be rude but immigration has a lot to answer for.
Many of Boltons immigrants originate from Pakistan. Pakistan is a third world county with low levels of compliance to standards of health and safety compliance. Pakistanis have simply exported their poverty. We should not be surprised by these outcomes.
[quote][p][bold]ARBEE[/bold] wrote: I remember eating in a cafe at the bottom of derby street over 60 years ago after the pubs shut,sometime you had to wait for a table to come empty, it was that popular,first class grub, there was a sign on the counter offering patrons the chance to inspect their kitchen saying all you had to do was ask,its not my nature to be rude but immigration has a lot to answer for.[/p][/quote]Many of Boltons immigrants originate from Pakistan. Pakistan is a third world county with low levels of compliance to standards of health and safety compliance. Pakistanis have simply exported their poverty. We should not be surprised by these outcomes. langtonbrow
  • Score: 1

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