Anger as Westhoughton loses rush hour train service

The Bolton News: Westhoughton Station. Picture from Google Maps. Westhoughton Station. Picture from Google Maps.

A PEAK time commuter train will no longer call at one of Bolton’s busiest stations.

The 4.38pm Northern Rail service from Manchester Victoria to Wigan no longer stops at Westhoughton.

Bosses say the move is because changes to the timetable mean there is no time for the stop if trains are to make a connection at Wigan.

It has left the town with no Manchester service for an hour in the middle of rush-hour.

Westhoughton is the only station removed from the amended service’s route, which means some holders of a £906-per-year season pass are now forced to return home an hour later.

Furious commuters have slammed rail bosses for the move.

Caroline Mangnell said she is now faced with an hour-wait in Manchester or a long walk home from Daisy Hill station.

She said: “I spend £906 a year on the pass to be squashed into a carriage standing up already.

“The trains are nearly always packed and lots of people get on and off at Westhoughton.

“There is no sign of monetary compensation for annual pass holders who have organised routines around the service provided.

“I have friends who use the service who have children in nursery who will now have to to pay for an additional hour.


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“I am aware of people are having to renegotiate work contracts so they can amend their working hours.”

Mrs Mangnell cannot leave work until 4.30pm, so is too late for the 4.13pm from Salford Central or 4.28pm from Deansgate.

Instead she must wait an hour to catch a service from Deansgate at 5.29pm, which gets her home after 6pm.

Her only other option is to catch a service to Daisy Hill , which would mean a half-hour walk home which she fears could be dangerous in dark, winter months.

Cllr David Wilkinson, for Hoskers and Hart Common, said the news was “disappointing” and questioned the wisdom in removing Westhoughton, one of the “busiest” unmanned stations.

Cllr Wilkinson, who travels by train daily, said: “We want people to make the switch away from a car, not the other way round.

“I use the station twice a day most days and it is always busy.”

Northern Rail bosses said the change was unavoidable.

A spokesman said: “The service doesn't call at Westhoughton in the new timetable as the train working this service now needs to get to Wigan in time to form an earlier service back to Manchester, and so is limited in the stops it can make.

“This is part of a package of alterations to enable us to provide evening peak services between Preston, Bolton and Manchester to fill gaps in the service left as part of the enhanced electric Manchester-Scotland service running via Wigan.”

The Bolton News launched its Let’s Get Back On Track campaign calling for an end to Bolton’s “cattle-truck” trains.

And last month Prime Minister David Cameron promised Bolton would get an extra 200 seats, with some being introduced on the morning commuter route before the end of the year.

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8:33am Tue 27 May 14

Jim271 says...

Under UKIP the trains will run on time.

Or am I confusing them with someone else,lol
Under UKIP the trains will run on time. Or am I confusing them with someone else,lol Jim271
  • Score: -6

9:07am Tue 27 May 14

Ernagy2 says...

If the train has to miss a stop, why not Hindley, which can be easily accommodated, whereas Westhoughton can't.
If the train has to miss a stop, why not Hindley, which can be easily accommodated, whereas Westhoughton can't. Ernagy2
  • Score: 15

9:15am Tue 27 May 14

Hulton Park says...

So this is a result of an improved service for Manchester to Scotland.
So this is a result of an improved service for Manchester to Scotland. Hulton Park
  • Score: 14

9:23am Tue 27 May 14

itsnotthatbad says...

They just don't want people on trains anymore!! they don't seem to like Bolton people working in Manchester etc so make it really hard for us. Just sack the trains off and get a moped or motorbike. £15 a year tax and £10 a week in petrol ...
They just don't want people on trains anymore!! they don't seem to like Bolton people working in Manchester etc so make it really hard for us. Just sack the trains off and get a moped or motorbike. £15 a year tax and £10 a week in petrol ... itsnotthatbad
  • Score: 9

11:02am Tue 27 May 14

alexinhorwich says...

itsnotthatbad wrote:
They just don't want people on trains anymore!! they don't seem to like Bolton people working in Manchester etc so make it really hard for us. Just sack the trains off and get a moped or motorbike. £15 a year tax and £10 a week in petrol ...
Thats's exactly what I did years ago and never regretted it even when riding in the pouring rain.
[quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: They just don't want people on trains anymore!! they don't seem to like Bolton people working in Manchester etc so make it really hard for us. Just sack the trains off and get a moped or motorbike. £15 a year tax and £10 a week in petrol ...[/p][/quote]Thats's exactly what I did years ago and never regretted it even when riding in the pouring rain. alexinhorwich
  • Score: 10

11:09am Tue 27 May 14

bleedingobvious says...

After you've had an accident on your moped or motorbike you can spend the rest of your days hobbling with a stick or in a wheelchair and wishing they'd put a proper train service on so you didn't need to take your life in your hands on two wheels.
After you've had an accident on your moped or motorbike you can spend the rest of your days hobbling with a stick or in a wheelchair and wishing they'd put a proper train service on so you didn't need to take your life in your hands on two wheels. bleedingobvious
  • Score: -11

11:19am Tue 27 May 14

bleedingobvious says...

What if any new trains come from abroad? How will UKIP view that?
What if any new trains come from abroad? How will UKIP view that? bleedingobvious
  • Score: -4

11:46am Tue 27 May 14

Jim271 says...

bleedingobvious wrote:
What if any new trains come from abroad? How will UKIP view that?
They already do.

They are built abroad.
[quote][p][bold]bleedingobvious[/bold] wrote: What if any new trains come from abroad? How will UKIP view that?[/p][/quote]They already do. They are built abroad. Jim271
  • Score: 5

11:56am Tue 27 May 14

cobblers7 says...

Public transport is crap because most people have decided that they don't want to use it.
Public transport is crap because most people have decided that they don't want to use it. cobblers7
  • Score: 5

12:06pm Tue 27 May 14

Mally79 says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
If the train has to miss a stop, why not Hindley, which can be easily accommodated, whereas Westhoughton can't.
How do you work that out? There's only one station in Hindley and there's two in Westhoughton. If your cutting a stop out then Westhoughton would be the most logic as there's still another service that goes to a different part of that town (Daisy Hill) .
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: If the train has to miss a stop, why not Hindley, which can be easily accommodated, whereas Westhoughton can't.[/p][/quote]How do you work that out? There's only one station in Hindley and there's two in Westhoughton. If your cutting a stop out then Westhoughton would be the most logic as there's still another service that goes to a different part of that town (Daisy Hill) . Mally79
  • Score: -3

12:30pm Tue 27 May 14

nigella farrage says...

UKIP idea:

Scrap HS2 which would remove all intercity services from the local lines, which in turn would open up the local lines to more local services.

Therefore UKIP would only be compounding the problem. As it is all new rolling stock goes to the South East and even UKIP have admitted that this would continue whilst all 25-30 year rolling stock would get cascaded up north, as the South East is the window on the world!

Infact they would create a new fast-line between London and Newcastle which already has enough spaces on their fast and local lines to cope with extra traffic!

Typical UKIP have no idea on public transport. They don't even realise that there is a two tier public transport laws operating in the UK - inside M25 and outside M25, as all they see is the law that operates within the M25 and assume it is the same all over the country!
UKIP idea: Scrap HS2 which would remove all intercity services from the local lines, which in turn would open up the local lines to more local services. Therefore UKIP would only be compounding the problem. As it is all new rolling stock goes to the South East and even UKIP have admitted that this would continue whilst all 25-30 year rolling stock would get cascaded up north, as the South East is the window on the world! Infact they would create a new fast-line between London and Newcastle which already has enough spaces on their fast and local lines to cope with extra traffic! Typical UKIP have no idea on public transport. They don't even realise that there is a two tier public transport laws operating in the UK - inside M25 and outside M25, as all they see is the law that operates within the M25 and assume it is the same all over the country! nigella farrage
  • Score: -52

12:42pm Tue 27 May 14

cliff4treasurer says...

Come on ukip.
Come on ukip. cliff4treasurer
  • Score: 2

1:13pm Tue 27 May 14

Rememberscarborough says...

All done to "ensure" that the connection is made at Wigan. I'm wondering how many connections are going to be missed if it's that tight that they can't stop for a couple of minutes at Westhoughton and knowing how often trains are more than a couple of minutes late...
All done to "ensure" that the connection is made at Wigan. I'm wondering how many connections are going to be missed if it's that tight that they can't stop for a couple of minutes at Westhoughton and knowing how often trains are more than a couple of minutes late... Rememberscarborough
  • Score: 9

1:21pm Tue 27 May 14

Jim271 says...

nigella farrage wrote:
UKIP idea:

Scrap HS2 which would remove all intercity services from the local lines, which in turn would open up the local lines to more local services.

Therefore UKIP would only be compounding the problem. As it is all new rolling stock goes to the South East and even UKIP have admitted that this would continue whilst all 25-30 year rolling stock would get cascaded up north, as the South East is the window on the world!

Infact they would create a new fast-line between London and Newcastle which already has enough spaces on their fast and local lines to cope with extra traffic!

Typical UKIP have no idea on public transport. They don't even realise that there is a two tier public transport laws operating in the UK - inside M25 and outside M25, as all they see is the law that operates within the M25 and assume it is the same all over the country!
Go away TRO
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: UKIP idea: Scrap HS2 which would remove all intercity services from the local lines, which in turn would open up the local lines to more local services. Therefore UKIP would only be compounding the problem. As it is all new rolling stock goes to the South East and even UKIP have admitted that this would continue whilst all 25-30 year rolling stock would get cascaded up north, as the South East is the window on the world! Infact they would create a new fast-line between London and Newcastle which already has enough spaces on their fast and local lines to cope with extra traffic! Typical UKIP have no idea on public transport. They don't even realise that there is a two tier public transport laws operating in the UK - inside M25 and outside M25, as all they see is the law that operates within the M25 and assume it is the same all over the country![/p][/quote]Go away TRO Jim271
  • Score: 0

1:25pm Tue 27 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

nigella farrage wrote:
UKIP idea:

Scrap HS2 which would remove all intercity services from the local lines, which in turn would open up the local lines to more local services.

Therefore UKIP would only be compounding the problem. As it is all new rolling stock goes to the South East and even UKIP have admitted that this would continue whilst all 25-30 year rolling stock would get cascaded up north, as the South East is the window on the world!

Infact they would create a new fast-line between London and Newcastle which already has enough spaces on their fast and local lines to cope with extra traffic!

Typical UKIP have no idea on public transport. They don't even realise that there is a two tier public transport laws operating in the UK - inside M25 and outside M25, as all they see is the law that operates within the M25 and assume it is the same all over the country!
And that is EXACTLY why they are working on a better manifesto.
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: UKIP idea: Scrap HS2 which would remove all intercity services from the local lines, which in turn would open up the local lines to more local services. Therefore UKIP would only be compounding the problem. As it is all new rolling stock goes to the South East and even UKIP have admitted that this would continue whilst all 25-30 year rolling stock would get cascaded up north, as the South East is the window on the world! Infact they would create a new fast-line between London and Newcastle which already has enough spaces on their fast and local lines to cope with extra traffic! Typical UKIP have no idea on public transport. They don't even realise that there is a two tier public transport laws operating in the UK - inside M25 and outside M25, as all they see is the law that operates within the M25 and assume it is the same all over the country![/p][/quote]And that is EXACTLY why they are working on a better manifesto. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 1

1:26pm Tue 27 May 14

donnaj says...

I get this train and I now have to get off at Hindley and then come back on another train which stops at Westhoughton.
I get this train and I now have to get off at Hindley and then come back on another train which stops at Westhoughton. donnaj
  • Score: 3

1:26pm Tue 27 May 14

Bolton Lad 85 says...

Is a train at 4.38 really a commuter train! Almost all commuters will work till 5 /5.30 in Manchester. These are 3 trains to Westhoughton between 5 and 6.
Is a train at 4.38 really a commuter train! Almost all commuters will work till 5 /5.30 in Manchester. These are 3 trains to Westhoughton between 5 and 6. Bolton Lad 85
  • Score: 1

1:28pm Tue 27 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Jim271 wrote:
nigella farrage wrote:
UKIP idea:

Scrap HS2 which would remove all intercity services from the local lines, which in turn would open up the local lines to more local services.

Therefore UKIP would only be compounding the problem. As it is all new rolling stock goes to the South East and even UKIP have admitted that this would continue whilst all 25-30 year rolling stock would get cascaded up north, as the South East is the window on the world!

Infact they would create a new fast-line between London and Newcastle which already has enough spaces on their fast and local lines to cope with extra traffic!

Typical UKIP have no idea on public transport. They don't even realise that there is a two tier public transport laws operating in the UK - inside M25 and outside M25, as all they see is the law that operates within the M25 and assume it is the same all over the country!
Go away TRO
Tee-hee...

As UKIP are actually asking people to get involved in their manifesto the encouragement is to pop over emails with sensible ideas and policies as UKIP seem to be the ONLY party willing to LISTEN to the people of this country... white, black, pink, green/purple spots.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: UKIP idea: Scrap HS2 which would remove all intercity services from the local lines, which in turn would open up the local lines to more local services. Therefore UKIP would only be compounding the problem. As it is all new rolling stock goes to the South East and even UKIP have admitted that this would continue whilst all 25-30 year rolling stock would get cascaded up north, as the South East is the window on the world! Infact they would create a new fast-line between London and Newcastle which already has enough spaces on their fast and local lines to cope with extra traffic! Typical UKIP have no idea on public transport. They don't even realise that there is a two tier public transport laws operating in the UK - inside M25 and outside M25, as all they see is the law that operates within the M25 and assume it is the same all over the country![/p][/quote]Go away TRO[/p][/quote]Tee-hee... As UKIP are actually asking people to get involved in their manifesto the encouragement is to pop over emails with sensible ideas and policies as UKIP seem to be the ONLY party willing to LISTEN to the people of this country... white, black, pink, green/purple spots. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 2

1:32pm Tue 27 May 14

bleedingobvious says...

Yeah I know they're built abroad Mr Trainspotter.I was meaning if more foreign trains come.Especially from Rumania.Also enjoyed the indignant thumbs down from the moped and bike riders who haven't had a disabling crash yet.
Yeah I know they're built abroad Mr Trainspotter.I was meaning if more foreign trains come.Especially from Rumania.Also enjoyed the indignant thumbs down from the moped and bike riders who haven't had a disabling crash yet. bleedingobvious
  • Score: -2

1:36pm Tue 27 May 14

bleedingobvious says...

bleedingobvious wrote:
After you've had an accident on your moped or motorbike you can spend the rest of your days hobbling with a stick or in a wheelchair and wishing they'd put a proper train service on so you didn't need to take your life in your hands on two wheels.
Obviously not crashed yet.
[quote][p][bold]bleedingobvious[/bold] wrote: After you've had an accident on your moped or motorbike you can spend the rest of your days hobbling with a stick or in a wheelchair and wishing they'd put a proper train service on so you didn't need to take your life in your hands on two wheels.[/p][/quote]Obviously not crashed yet. bleedingobvious
  • Score: -5

1:48pm Tue 27 May 14

Lee3695 says...

Bolton Lad 85 wrote:
Is a train at 4.38 really a commuter train! Almost all commuters will work till 5 /5.30 in Manchester. These are 3 trains to Westhoughton between 5 and 6.
Thanks to flexible working hours, not to mention other personal circumstances, more people are now travelling earlier or later to avoid the busiest services. So yes, they are 'commuter' trains.
[quote][p][bold]Bolton Lad 85[/bold] wrote: Is a train at 4.38 really a commuter train! Almost all commuters will work till 5 /5.30 in Manchester. These are 3 trains to Westhoughton between 5 and 6.[/p][/quote]Thanks to flexible working hours, not to mention other personal circumstances, more people are now travelling earlier or later to avoid the busiest services. So yes, they are 'commuter' trains. Lee3695
  • Score: 6

1:50pm Tue 27 May 14

thomas222 says...

TRO aka Nigellafarage: Did you forget to comment on your Euro Election prediction. I will put it here just in case you did. You said, Torys 25. Lab 15. Lib 13. UKIP 13.

Reality was: Tory 19. Lab 13. Lib 1. UKIP 24. Dont give up your day jobs & dont go into being a pollster. Think you possibly underestimated UKIP as all people and parties who practice and promote UKIP-Denialism have. Its coming and you cant stop it.
TRO aka Nigellafarage: Did you forget to comment on your Euro Election prediction. I will put it here just in case you did. You said, Torys 25. Lab 15. Lib 13. UKIP 13. Reality was: Tory 19. Lab 13. Lib 1. UKIP 24. Dont give up your day jobs & dont go into being a pollster. Think you possibly underestimated UKIP as all people and parties who practice and promote UKIP-Denialism have. Its coming and you cant stop it. thomas222
  • Score: 3

1:53pm Tue 27 May 14

Lee3695 says...

Rememberscarborough wrote:
All done to "ensure" that the connection is made at Wigan. I'm wondering how many connections are going to be missed if it's that tight that they can't stop for a couple of minutes at Westhoughton and knowing how often trains are more than a couple of minutes late...
I wonder what the 'connections' referred to are as well. If it is services to Kirkby and Southport via Walkden, these trains leave Manchester Victoria and connect with services to/from Piccadilly at Salford crescent. If it iservices to Scotland, these too leave from Piccadilly station and to make a connection would mean wlking from Wallgate station to Northwestern station in Wigan, which will take more than a couple of minutes. If it is to provide a service back to manchester, are things so desperately tight such a train couldn't leave Wigan a few minutes later?
[quote][p][bold]Rememberscarborough[/bold] wrote: All done to "ensure" that the connection is made at Wigan. I'm wondering how many connections are going to be missed if it's that tight that they can't stop for a couple of minutes at Westhoughton and knowing how often trains are more than a couple of minutes late...[/p][/quote]I wonder what the 'connections' referred to are as well. If it is services to Kirkby and Southport via Walkden, these trains leave Manchester Victoria and connect with services to/from Piccadilly at Salford crescent. If it iservices to Scotland, these too leave from Piccadilly station and to make a connection would mean wlking from Wallgate station to Northwestern station in Wigan, which will take more than a couple of minutes. If it is to provide a service back to manchester, are things so desperately tight such a train couldn't leave Wigan a few minutes later? Lee3695
  • Score: 2

1:54pm Tue 27 May 14

Lee3695 says...

bleedingobvious wrote:
Yeah I know they're built abroad Mr Trainspotter.I was meaning if more foreign trains come.Especially from Rumania.Also enjoyed the indignant thumbs down from the moped and bike riders who haven't had a disabling crash yet.
Why on earth would there be a direct train service from Romania to Westhoughton?
[quote][p][bold]bleedingobvious[/bold] wrote: Yeah I know they're built abroad Mr Trainspotter.I was meaning if more foreign trains come.Especially from Rumania.Also enjoyed the indignant thumbs down from the moped and bike riders who haven't had a disabling crash yet.[/p][/quote]Why on earth would there be a direct train service from Romania to Westhoughton? Lee3695
  • Score: 7

2:03pm Tue 27 May 14

soup153 says...

get an umbrella.
get an umbrella. soup153
  • Score: -2

3:00pm Tue 27 May 14

nigella farrage says...

thomas222 wrote:
TRO aka Nigellafarage: Did you forget to comment on your Euro Election prediction. I will put it here just in case you did. You said, Torys 25. Lab 15. Lib 13. UKIP 13. Reality was: Tory 19. Lab 13. Lib 1. UKIP 24. Dont give up your day jobs & dont go into being a pollster. Think you possibly underestimated UKIP as all people and parties who practice and promote UKIP-Denialism have. Its coming and you cant stop it.
You predicted;
UKIP 60
Green 10
Labor 2
Torys 1

It seems you shouldn't give up on you day job.

I haven't underestimated UKIP at all. In fact I underestimated the number of people that would vote.

3.92 million voted for UKIP

Thus meaning of the 14 million that voted 10,080,000 didn't vote for UKIP!!! Or out of the 45million that did/could have voted 41,080,000 didn't vote UKIP!!!

In fact, to be honest, no political party won. Political apathy was the winner. Thus showing the common persons discontent with ALL political parties, yes that does include UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: TRO aka Nigellafarage: Did you forget to comment on your Euro Election prediction. I will put it here just in case you did. You said, Torys 25. Lab 15. Lib 13. UKIP 13. Reality was: Tory 19. Lab 13. Lib 1. UKIP 24. Dont give up your day jobs & dont go into being a pollster. Think you possibly underestimated UKIP as all people and parties who practice and promote UKIP-Denialism have. Its coming and you cant stop it.[/p][/quote]You predicted; UKIP 60 Green 10 Labor 2 Torys 1 It seems you shouldn't give up on you day job. I haven't underestimated UKIP at all. In fact I underestimated the number of people that would vote. 3.92 million voted for UKIP Thus meaning of the 14 million that voted 10,080,000 didn't vote for UKIP!!! Or out of the 45million that did/could have voted 41,080,000 didn't vote UKIP!!! In fact, to be honest, no political party won. Political apathy was the winner. Thus showing the common persons discontent with ALL political parties, yes that does include UKIP. nigella farrage
  • Score: -4

3:03pm Tue 27 May 14

nigella farrage says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
nigella farrage wrote: UKIP idea: Scrap HS2 which would remove all intercity services from the local lines, which in turn would open up the local lines to more local services. Therefore UKIP would only be compounding the problem. As it is all new rolling stock goes to the South East and even UKIP have admitted that this would continue whilst all 25-30 year rolling stock would get cascaded up north, as the South East is the window on the world! Infact they would create a new fast-line between London and Newcastle which already has enough spaces on their fast and local lines to cope with extra traffic! Typical UKIP have no idea on public transport. They don't even realise that there is a two tier public transport laws operating in the UK - inside M25 and outside M25, as all they see is the law that operates within the M25 and assume it is the same all over the country!
And that is EXACTLY why they are working on a better manifesto.
Lets see what they come up with but I can guarantee that whatever they come up with it ill be detrimental to the North of the country and completely beneficial to the South Eat, rich and industrialists, like at present!

It is funny how UKIP seem to say nothing about the TTIP - do they consider it to be a good thing?
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: UKIP idea: Scrap HS2 which would remove all intercity services from the local lines, which in turn would open up the local lines to more local services. Therefore UKIP would only be compounding the problem. As it is all new rolling stock goes to the South East and even UKIP have admitted that this would continue whilst all 25-30 year rolling stock would get cascaded up north, as the South East is the window on the world! Infact they would create a new fast-line between London and Newcastle which already has enough spaces on their fast and local lines to cope with extra traffic! Typical UKIP have no idea on public transport. They don't even realise that there is a two tier public transport laws operating in the UK - inside M25 and outside M25, as all they see is the law that operates within the M25 and assume it is the same all over the country![/p][/quote]And that is EXACTLY why they are working on a better manifesto.[/p][/quote]Lets see what they come up with but I can guarantee that whatever they come up with it ill be detrimental to the North of the country and completely beneficial to the South Eat, rich and industrialists, like at present! It is funny how UKIP seem to say nothing about the TTIP - do they consider it to be a good thing? nigella farrage
  • Score: -1

3:12pm Tue 27 May 14

thomas222 says...

nigella farrage wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
TRO aka Nigellafarage: Did you forget to comment on your Euro Election prediction. I will put it here just in case you did. You said, Torys 25. Lab 15. Lib 13. UKIP 13. Reality was: Tory 19. Lab 13. Lib 1. UKIP 24. Dont give up your day jobs & dont go into being a pollster. Think you possibly underestimated UKIP as all people and parties who practice and promote UKIP-Denialism have. Its coming and you cant stop it.
You predicted;
UKIP 60
Green 10
Labor 2
Torys 1

It seems you shouldn't give up on you day job.

I haven't underestimated UKIP at all. In fact I underestimated the number of people that would vote.

3.92 million voted for UKIP

Thus meaning of the 14 million that voted 10,080,000 didn't vote for UKIP!!! Or out of the 45million that did/could have voted 41,080,000 didn't vote UKIP!!!

In fact, to be honest, no political party won. Political apathy was the winner. Thus showing the common persons discontent with ALL political parties, yes that does include UKIP.
UKIP won come out from under your rock and watch some telly.
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: TRO aka Nigellafarage: Did you forget to comment on your Euro Election prediction. I will put it here just in case you did. You said, Torys 25. Lab 15. Lib 13. UKIP 13. Reality was: Tory 19. Lab 13. Lib 1. UKIP 24. Dont give up your day jobs & dont go into being a pollster. Think you possibly underestimated UKIP as all people and parties who practice and promote UKIP-Denialism have. Its coming and you cant stop it.[/p][/quote]You predicted; UKIP 60 Green 10 Labor 2 Torys 1 It seems you shouldn't give up on you day job. I haven't underestimated UKIP at all. In fact I underestimated the number of people that would vote. 3.92 million voted for UKIP Thus meaning of the 14 million that voted 10,080,000 didn't vote for UKIP!!! Or out of the 45million that did/could have voted 41,080,000 didn't vote UKIP!!! In fact, to be honest, no political party won. Political apathy was the winner. Thus showing the common persons discontent with ALL political parties, yes that does include UKIP.[/p][/quote]UKIP won come out from under your rock and watch some telly. thomas222
  • Score: 4

3:33pm Tue 27 May 14

nigella farrage says...

Firstly any trans-European train services cannot get any further north than St Pancras station in London. This is because HS1 only goes to St Pancras and there are no junctions off the line. The government wanted to create link between Hs1 and HS2 but that was eventually dropped, detrimental to the North considering the number of travellers, businessmen and holidaymakers that actually use Eurostar and spend their money in London!!!

Secondly only at this time Eurostar (50% owned by virgin) can travel through the tunnel both their freight, passenger and car-trains! Deutsche Bahn are going to be starting services within the next 18 months but it will only be between St Pancras and Amsterdam and St Pancras and Cologne- even they wanted to extend their services north Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow and Edinburgh - but they can no longer do those connections because of the British Government not wanting it - again very detrimental to the economy of the North!!!

Truth is with the trains, just like anything else, if it means diverting money away from London then the Government don't want to know, and ALL political parties are the same, including UKIP.
Firstly any trans-European train services cannot get any further north than St Pancras station in London. This is because HS1 only goes to St Pancras and there are no junctions off the line. The government wanted to create link between Hs1 and HS2 but that was eventually dropped, detrimental to the North considering the number of travellers, businessmen and holidaymakers that actually use Eurostar and spend their money in London!!! Secondly only at this time Eurostar (50% owned by virgin) can travel through the tunnel both their freight, passenger and car-trains! Deutsche Bahn are going to be starting services within the next 18 months but it will only be between St Pancras and Amsterdam and St Pancras and Cologne- even they wanted to extend their services north Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow and Edinburgh - but they can no longer do those connections because of the British Government not wanting it - again very detrimental to the economy of the North!!! Truth is with the trains, just like anything else, if it means diverting money away from London then the Government don't want to know, and ALL political parties are the same, including UKIP. nigella farrage
  • Score: 2

3:44pm Tue 27 May 14

thomas222 says...

nigella farrage wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
TRO aka Nigellafarage: Did you forget to comment on your Euro Election prediction. I will put it here just in case you did. You said, Torys 25. Lab 15. Lib 13. UKIP 13. Reality was: Tory 19. Lab 13. Lib 1. UKIP 24. Dont give up your day jobs & dont go into being a pollster. Think you possibly underestimated UKIP as all people and parties who practice and promote UKIP-Denialism have. Its coming and you cant stop it.
You predicted;
UKIP 60
Green 10
Labor 2
Torys 1

It seems you shouldn't give up on you day job.

I haven't underestimated UKIP at all. In fact I underestimated the number of people that would vote.

3.92 million voted for UKIP

Thus meaning of the 14 million that voted 10,080,000 didn't vote for UKIP!!! Or out of the 45million that did/could have voted 41,080,000 didn't vote UKIP!!!

In fact, to be honest, no political party won. Political apathy was the winner. Thus showing the common persons discontent with ALL political parties, yes that does include UKIP.
i never predicted anything there you go lying again.. if i did im sure you and copy and paste as u usally do. hahahahaha.
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: TRO aka Nigellafarage: Did you forget to comment on your Euro Election prediction. I will put it here just in case you did. You said, Torys 25. Lab 15. Lib 13. UKIP 13. Reality was: Tory 19. Lab 13. Lib 1. UKIP 24. Dont give up your day jobs & dont go into being a pollster. Think you possibly underestimated UKIP as all people and parties who practice and promote UKIP-Denialism have. Its coming and you cant stop it.[/p][/quote]You predicted; UKIP 60 Green 10 Labor 2 Torys 1 It seems you shouldn't give up on you day job. I haven't underestimated UKIP at all. In fact I underestimated the number of people that would vote. 3.92 million voted for UKIP Thus meaning of the 14 million that voted 10,080,000 didn't vote for UKIP!!! Or out of the 45million that did/could have voted 41,080,000 didn't vote UKIP!!! In fact, to be honest, no political party won. Political apathy was the winner. Thus showing the common persons discontent with ALL political parties, yes that does include UKIP.[/p][/quote]i never predicted anything there you go lying again.. if i did im sure you and copy and paste as u usally do. hahahahaha. thomas222
  • Score: 1

3:58pm Tue 27 May 14

nigella farrage says...

thomas222 wrote:
nigella farrage wrote:
thomas222 wrote: TRO aka Nigellafarage: Did you forget to comment on your Euro Election prediction. I will put it here just in case you did. You said, Torys 25. Lab 15. Lib 13. UKIP 13. Reality was: Tory 19. Lab 13. Lib 1. UKIP 24. Dont give up your day jobs & dont go into being a pollster. Think you possibly underestimated UKIP as all people and parties who practice and promote UKIP-Denialism have. Its coming and you cant stop it.
You predicted; UKIP 60 Green 10 Labor 2 Torys 1 It seems you shouldn't give up on you day job. I haven't underestimated UKIP at all. In fact I underestimated the number of people that would vote. 3.92 million voted for UKIP Thus meaning of the 14 million that voted 10,080,000 didn't vote for UKIP!!! Or out of the 45million that did/could have voted 41,080,000 didn't vote UKIP!!! In fact, to be honest, no political party won. Political apathy was the winner. Thus showing the common persons discontent with ALL political parties, yes that does include UKIP.
i never predicted anything there you go lying again.. if i did im sure you and copy and paste as u usally do. hahahahaha.
You never do anything, even when you do, you deny it.

So no point in cut and paste because you will just deny, like everything else.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: TRO aka Nigellafarage: Did you forget to comment on your Euro Election prediction. I will put it here just in case you did. You said, Torys 25. Lab 15. Lib 13. UKIP 13. Reality was: Tory 19. Lab 13. Lib 1. UKIP 24. Dont give up your day jobs & dont go into being a pollster. Think you possibly underestimated UKIP as all people and parties who practice and promote UKIP-Denialism have. Its coming and you cant stop it.[/p][/quote]You predicted; UKIP 60 Green 10 Labor 2 Torys 1 It seems you shouldn't give up on you day job. I haven't underestimated UKIP at all. In fact I underestimated the number of people that would vote. 3.92 million voted for UKIP Thus meaning of the 14 million that voted 10,080,000 didn't vote for UKIP!!! Or out of the 45million that did/could have voted 41,080,000 didn't vote UKIP!!! In fact, to be honest, no political party won. Political apathy was the winner. Thus showing the common persons discontent with ALL political parties, yes that does include UKIP.[/p][/quote]i never predicted anything there you go lying again.. if i did im sure you and copy and paste as u usally do. hahahahaha.[/p][/quote]You never do anything, even when you do, you deny it. So no point in cut and paste because you will just deny, like everything else. nigella farrage
  • Score: -6

4:07pm Tue 27 May 14

nigella farrage says...

thomas222 wrote:
nigella farrage wrote:
thomas222 wrote: TRO aka Nigellafarage: Did you forget to comment on your Euro Election prediction. I will put it here just in case you did. You said, Torys 25. Lab 15. Lib 13. UKIP 13. Reality was: Tory 19. Lab 13. Lib 1. UKIP 24. Dont give up your day jobs & dont go into being a pollster. Think you possibly underestimated UKIP as all people and parties who practice and promote UKIP-Denialism have. Its coming and you cant stop it.
You predicted; UKIP 60 Green 10 Labor 2 Torys 1 It seems you shouldn't give up on you day job. I haven't underestimated UKIP at all. In fact I underestimated the number of people that would vote. 3.92 million voted for UKIP Thus meaning of the 14 million that voted 10,080,000 didn't vote for UKIP!!! Or out of the 45million that did/could have voted 41,080,000 didn't vote UKIP!!! In fact, to be honest, no political party won. Political apathy was the winner. Thus showing the common persons discontent with ALL political parties, yes that does include UKIP.
UKIP won come out from under your rock and watch some telly.
Did they?

In Bolton they only have 2 seats out of 60 in the locals and they actually came second in the Euro's!!!

s for the national scores...

In the locals UKIP came fourth and didn't take over any councils, whilst they won the EURO's by 2.4% they won by 4 seats - lets see how many seats they will have this time next year, or give it more of a chance in 5 years before the next elections. Last time they won 13 seats but ended up with 6 at the end of the 5 year term. Also what happened to your 33 London councillors that defect to UKIP? Oh yes none of them retained their seats!!!!

But UKIP, no matter, what has an overall majority, and like I say the majority of the electorate did NOT vote for UKIP, just like they did NOT vote for any other party and as such there are no winner except apathy (by land landslide victory of over 30million)

Mixed bag of results and doesn't actually show a pattern. Next 10 months is all to play for and I can guarantee the big 3 will fight UKIP, along with the Greens and many other independent political parties - possibly the phoenix-like rise of Veritas?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: TRO aka Nigellafarage: Did you forget to comment on your Euro Election prediction. I will put it here just in case you did. You said, Torys 25. Lab 15. Lib 13. UKIP 13. Reality was: Tory 19. Lab 13. Lib 1. UKIP 24. Dont give up your day jobs & dont go into being a pollster. Think you possibly underestimated UKIP as all people and parties who practice and promote UKIP-Denialism have. Its coming and you cant stop it.[/p][/quote]You predicted; UKIP 60 Green 10 Labor 2 Torys 1 It seems you shouldn't give up on you day job. I haven't underestimated UKIP at all. In fact I underestimated the number of people that would vote. 3.92 million voted for UKIP Thus meaning of the 14 million that voted 10,080,000 didn't vote for UKIP!!! Or out of the 45million that did/could have voted 41,080,000 didn't vote UKIP!!! In fact, to be honest, no political party won. Political apathy was the winner. Thus showing the common persons discontent with ALL political parties, yes that does include UKIP.[/p][/quote]UKIP won come out from under your rock and watch some telly.[/p][/quote]Did they? In Bolton they only have 2 seats out of 60 in the locals and they actually came second in the Euro's!!! s for the national scores... In the locals UKIP came fourth and didn't take over any councils, whilst they won the EURO's by 2.4% they won by 4 seats - lets see how many seats they will have this time next year, or give it more of a chance in 5 years before the next elections. Last time they won 13 seats but ended up with 6 at the end of the 5 year term. Also what happened to your 33 London councillors that defect to UKIP? Oh yes none of them retained their seats!!!! But UKIP, no matter, what has an overall majority, and like I say the majority of the electorate did NOT vote for UKIP, just like they did NOT vote for any other party and as such there are no winner except apathy (by land landslide victory of over 30million) Mixed bag of results and doesn't actually show a pattern. Next 10 months is all to play for and I can guarantee the big 3 will fight UKIP, along with the Greens and many other independent political parties - possibly the phoenix-like rise of Veritas? nigella farrage
  • Score: -11

4:13pm Tue 27 May 14

lv8151 says...

Mr Farage mustaffa millyon ideas in his head, he just got to pick the right 1's :)
Mr Farage mustaffa millyon ideas in his head, he just got to pick the right 1's :) lv8151
  • Score: 11

4:17pm Tue 27 May 14

Reality50 says...

Typical "Howfeners" complaining again. We in Farnworth have one train an hour ALL DAY and no evening or Sunday service. Think yourselves lucky as our train service is abysmal around the clock. We Farnworthians just accept the mediocre service and so should you.
Typical "Howfeners" complaining again. We in Farnworth have one train an hour ALL DAY and no evening or Sunday service. Think yourselves lucky as our train service is abysmal around the clock. We Farnworthians just accept the mediocre service and so should you. Reality50
  • Score: 12

4:21pm Tue 27 May 14

Reality50 says...

As for those engaging in an utterly pointless and irrelevant Labour/UKIP debate,it was plain to see it was largely the immigrant and particularly the Asian vote that contributed to the bulk of the Labour vote last week in Bolton. Look at all the ward results as evidence. Without the immigrant/Asian vote,the Labour Council would be out on its ear.
As for those engaging in an utterly pointless and irrelevant Labour/UKIP debate,it was plain to see it was largely the immigrant and particularly the Asian vote that contributed to the bulk of the Labour vote last week in Bolton. Look at all the ward results as evidence. Without the immigrant/Asian vote,the Labour Council would be out on its ear. Reality50
  • Score: 11

5:11pm Tue 27 May 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

I (as an employee of Northern) personally feel that Westhoughton should be manned as it is a very busy station (like it used to be). It is a shame that Westhoughton is missed out on the 16.38 and hopefully it will get resolved.
I (as an employee of Northern) personally feel that Westhoughton should be manned as it is a very busy station (like it used to be). It is a shame that Westhoughton is missed out on the 16.38 and hopefully it will get resolved. FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 6

5:15pm Tue 27 May 14

itsnotthatbad says...

censorship and favoritism is evident in this thread..... anyway like I said before if everybody ignores comments by certain people then they will move along, kind of how a naughty boy having a temper tantrum gives up when ignored....
censorship and favoritism is evident in this thread..... anyway like I said before if everybody ignores comments by certain people then they will move along, kind of how a naughty boy having a temper tantrum gives up when ignored.... itsnotthatbad
  • Score: 2

5:17pm Tue 27 May 14

nigella farrage says...

thomas222 wrote:
nigella farrage wrote:
thomas222 wrote: TRO aka Nigellafarage: Did you forget to comment on your Euro Election prediction. I will put it here just in case you did. You said, Torys 25. Lab 15. Lib 13. UKIP 13. Reality was: Tory 19. Lab 13. Lib 1. UKIP 24. Dont give up your day jobs & dont go into being a pollster. Think you possibly underestimated UKIP as all people and parties who practice and promote UKIP-Denialism have. Its coming and you cant stop it.
You predicted; UKIP 60 Green 10 Labor 2 Torys 1 It seems you shouldn't give up on you day job. I haven't underestimated UKIP at all. In fact I underestimated the number of people that would vote. 3.92 million voted for UKIP Thus meaning of the 14 million that voted 10,080,000 didn't vote for UKIP!!! Or out of the 45million that did/could have voted 41,080,000 didn't vote UKIP!!! In fact, to be honest, no political party won. Political apathy was the winner. Thus showing the common persons discontent with ALL political parties, yes that does include UKIP.
i never predicted anything there you go lying again.. if i did im sure you and copy and paste as u usally do. hahahahaha.
And so it begins....

Newly elected Redditch UKIP councillor is suspended over homophobic and racial taunts!

Not even a week after the local elections, and UKIP are already showing their true colours!

Nothing changes.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: TRO aka Nigellafarage: Did you forget to comment on your Euro Election prediction. I will put it here just in case you did. You said, Torys 25. Lab 15. Lib 13. UKIP 13. Reality was: Tory 19. Lab 13. Lib 1. UKIP 24. Dont give up your day jobs & dont go into being a pollster. Think you possibly underestimated UKIP as all people and parties who practice and promote UKIP-Denialism have. Its coming and you cant stop it.[/p][/quote]You predicted; UKIP 60 Green 10 Labor 2 Torys 1 It seems you shouldn't give up on you day job. I haven't underestimated UKIP at all. In fact I underestimated the number of people that would vote. 3.92 million voted for UKIP Thus meaning of the 14 million that voted 10,080,000 didn't vote for UKIP!!! Or out of the 45million that did/could have voted 41,080,000 didn't vote UKIP!!! In fact, to be honest, no political party won. Political apathy was the winner. Thus showing the common persons discontent with ALL political parties, yes that does include UKIP.[/p][/quote]i never predicted anything there you go lying again.. if i did im sure you and copy and paste as u usally do. hahahahaha.[/p][/quote]And so it begins.... Newly elected Redditch UKIP councillor is suspended over homophobic and racial taunts! Not even a week after the local elections, and UKIP are already showing their true colours! Nothing changes. nigella farrage
  • Score: -4

5:19pm Tue 27 May 14

nigella farrage says...

lv8151 wrote:
Mr Farage mustaffa millyon ideas in his head, he just got to pick the right 1's :)
Breaker, breaker, 1-4 for a copy!
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: Mr Farage mustaffa millyon ideas in his head, he just got to pick the right 1's :)[/p][/quote]Breaker, breaker, 1-4 for a copy! nigella farrage
  • Score: -1

5:27pm Tue 27 May 14

nigella farrage says...

And anther one comes out of the woodwork - 2 in one day, priceless. At this rate, by the end of the year there could be NO UKIP local councillors!

Twitter users have reacted in shock over UKIP Geoffrey Clark’s call for the compulsory abortion of any foetus with Down’s syndrome.

In his personal manifesto for last Thursday's local elections Mr Clark states: “Consider compulsory abortion when the foetus is detected as having Downs, Spina Bifida or similar syndrome which, if it is born, will render the child a burden on the state as well as on the family.”

Disability charity Mencap slammed the manifesto, saying they were “disgusted and shocked”.

One user wrote: “My son is #notaburden - he is a wonderful person who has taught me so much, more than anyone I know. I love him to bits.”
And anther one comes out of the woodwork - 2 in one day, priceless. At this rate, by the end of the year there could be NO UKIP local councillors! Twitter users have reacted in shock over UKIP Geoffrey Clark’s call for the compulsory abortion of any foetus with Down’s syndrome. In his personal manifesto for last Thursday's local elections Mr Clark states: “Consider compulsory abortion when the foetus is detected as having Downs, Spina Bifida or similar syndrome which, if it is born, will render the child a burden on the state as well as on the family.” Disability charity Mencap slammed the manifesto, saying they were “disgusted and shocked”. One user wrote: “My son is #notaburden - he is a wonderful person who has taught me so much, more than anyone I know. I love him to bits.” nigella farrage
  • Score: -4

5:32pm Tue 27 May 14

nigella farrage says...

UKIP only represent the voters who pay UKIP to do so...

ps://www.youtube.com
/watch?v=qXy8-tMAebA
UKIP only represent the voters who pay UKIP to do so... ps://www.youtube.com /watch?v=qXy8-tMAebA nigella farrage
  • Score: -7

5:44pm Tue 27 May 14

Mally79 says...

Lee3695 wrote:
bleedingobvious wrote:
Yeah I know they're built abroad Mr Trainspotter.I was meaning if more foreign trains come.Especially from Rumania.Also enjoyed the indignant thumbs down from the moped and bike riders who haven't had a disabling crash yet.
Why on earth would there be a direct train service from Romania to Westhoughton?
He's getting confused, it's actually a direct train from Romania to Bolton ;) ;)
[quote][p][bold]Lee3695[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bleedingobvious[/bold] wrote: Yeah I know they're built abroad Mr Trainspotter.I was meaning if more foreign trains come.Especially from Rumania.Also enjoyed the indignant thumbs down from the moped and bike riders who haven't had a disabling crash yet.[/p][/quote]Why on earth would there be a direct train service from Romania to Westhoughton?[/p][/quote]He's getting confused, it's actually a direct train from Romania to Bolton ;) ;) Mally79
  • Score: 3

6:28pm Tue 27 May 14

bleedingobvious says...

Yeah I know they're built abroad Mr Trainspotter.I was meaning if more foreign trains come.Especially from Rumania.Also enjoyed the indignant thumbs down from the moped and bike riders who haven't had a disabling crash yet.
Yeah I know they're built abroad Mr Trainspotter.I was meaning if more foreign trains come.Especially from Rumania.Also enjoyed the indignant thumbs down from the moped and bike riders who haven't had a disabling crash yet. bleedingobvious
  • Score: 0

6:30pm Tue 27 May 14

bleedingobvious says...

Because I like to pop up to Rumania for shopping.Their market is better than Boltons.
Because I like to pop up to Rumania for shopping.Their market is better than Boltons. bleedingobvious
  • Score: 0

7:10pm Tue 27 May 14

thomas222 says...

nigella farrage wrote:
And anther one comes out of the woodwork - 2 in one day, priceless. At this rate, by the end of the year there could be NO UKIP local councillors!

Twitter users have reacted in shock over UKIP Geoffrey Clark’s call for the compulsory abortion of any foetus with Down’s syndrome.

In his personal manifesto for last Thursday's local elections Mr Clark states: “Consider compulsory abortion when the foetus is detected as having Downs, Spina Bifida or similar syndrome which, if it is born, will render the child a burden on the state as well as on the family.”

Disability charity Mencap slammed the manifesto, saying they were “disgusted and shocked”.

One user wrote: “My son is #notaburden - he is a wonderful person who has taught me so much, more than anyone I know. I love him to bits.”
Are you stupid the more you smear the more you lose... Bye Bye.
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: And anther one comes out of the woodwork - 2 in one day, priceless. At this rate, by the end of the year there could be NO UKIP local councillors! Twitter users have reacted in shock over UKIP Geoffrey Clark’s call for the compulsory abortion of any foetus with Down’s syndrome. In his personal manifesto for last Thursday's local elections Mr Clark states: “Consider compulsory abortion when the foetus is detected as having Downs, Spina Bifida or similar syndrome which, if it is born, will render the child a burden on the state as well as on the family.” Disability charity Mencap slammed the manifesto, saying they were “disgusted and shocked”. One user wrote: “My son is #notaburden - he is a wonderful person who has taught me so much, more than anyone I know. I love him to bits.”[/p][/quote]Are you stupid the more you smear the more you lose... Bye Bye. thomas222
  • Score: -1

7:12pm Tue 27 May 14

thomas222 says...

nigella farrage wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
nigella farrage wrote:
thomas222 wrote: TRO aka Nigellafarage: Did you forget to comment on your Euro Election prediction. I will put it here just in case you did. You said, Torys 25. Lab 15. Lib 13. UKIP 13. Reality was: Tory 19. Lab 13. Lib 1. UKIP 24. Dont give up your day jobs & dont go into being a pollster. Think you possibly underestimated UKIP as all people and parties who practice and promote UKIP-Denialism have. Its coming and you cant stop it.
You predicted; UKIP 60 Green 10 Labor 2 Torys 1 It seems you shouldn't give up on you day job. I haven't underestimated UKIP at all. In fact I underestimated the number of people that would vote. 3.92 million voted for UKIP Thus meaning of the 14 million that voted 10,080,000 didn't vote for UKIP!!! Or out of the 45million that did/could have voted 41,080,000 didn't vote UKIP!!! In fact, to be honest, no political party won. Political apathy was the winner. Thus showing the common persons discontent with ALL political parties, yes that does include UKIP.
UKIP won come out from under your rock and watch some telly.
Did they?

In Bolton they only have 2 seats out of 60 in the locals and they actually came second in the Euro's!!!

s for the national scores...

In the locals UKIP came fourth and didn't take over any councils, whilst they won the EURO's by 2.4% they won by 4 seats - lets see how many seats they will have this time next year, or give it more of a chance in 5 years before the next elections. Last time they won 13 seats but ended up with 6 at the end of the 5 year term. Also what happened to your 33 London councillors that defect to UKIP? Oh yes none of them retained their seats!!!!

But UKIP, no matter, what has an overall majority, and like I say the majority of the electorate did NOT vote for UKIP, just like they did NOT vote for any other party and as such there are no winner except apathy (by land landslide victory of over 30million)

Mixed bag of results and doesn't actually show a pattern. Next 10 months is all to play for and I can guarantee the big 3 will fight UKIP, along with the Greens and many other independent political parties - possibly the phoenix-like rise of Veritas?
How did the party you voted for do ? hahaha.
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: TRO aka Nigellafarage: Did you forget to comment on your Euro Election prediction. I will put it here just in case you did. You said, Torys 25. Lab 15. Lib 13. UKIP 13. Reality was: Tory 19. Lab 13. Lib 1. UKIP 24. Dont give up your day jobs & dont go into being a pollster. Think you possibly underestimated UKIP as all people and parties who practice and promote UKIP-Denialism have. Its coming and you cant stop it.[/p][/quote]You predicted; UKIP 60 Green 10 Labor 2 Torys 1 It seems you shouldn't give up on you day job. I haven't underestimated UKIP at all. In fact I underestimated the number of people that would vote. 3.92 million voted for UKIP Thus meaning of the 14 million that voted 10,080,000 didn't vote for UKIP!!! Or out of the 45million that did/could have voted 41,080,000 didn't vote UKIP!!! In fact, to be honest, no political party won. Political apathy was the winner. Thus showing the common persons discontent with ALL political parties, yes that does include UKIP.[/p][/quote]UKIP won come out from under your rock and watch some telly.[/p][/quote]Did they? In Bolton they only have 2 seats out of 60 in the locals and they actually came second in the Euro's!!! s for the national scores... In the locals UKIP came fourth and didn't take over any councils, whilst they won the EURO's by 2.4% they won by 4 seats - lets see how many seats they will have this time next year, or give it more of a chance in 5 years before the next elections. Last time they won 13 seats but ended up with 6 at the end of the 5 year term. Also what happened to your 33 London councillors that defect to UKIP? Oh yes none of them retained their seats!!!! But UKIP, no matter, what has an overall majority, and like I say the majority of the electorate did NOT vote for UKIP, just like they did NOT vote for any other party and as such there are no winner except apathy (by land landslide victory of over 30million) Mixed bag of results and doesn't actually show a pattern. Next 10 months is all to play for and I can guarantee the big 3 will fight UKIP, along with the Greens and many other independent political parties - possibly the phoenix-like rise of Veritas?[/p][/quote]How did the party you voted for do ? hahaha. thomas222
  • Score: -1

7:35pm Tue 27 May 14

lv8151 says...

thomas222 wrote:
nigella farrage wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
nigella farrage wrote:
thomas222 wrote: TRO aka Nigellafarage: Did you forget to comment on your Euro Election prediction. I will put it here just in case you did. You said, Torys 25. Lab 15. Lib 13. UKIP 13. Reality was: Tory 19. Lab 13. Lib 1. UKIP 24. Dont give up your day jobs & dont go into being a pollster. Think you possibly underestimated UKIP as all people and parties who practice and promote UKIP-Denialism have. Its coming and you cant stop it.
You predicted; UKIP 60 Green 10 Labor 2 Torys 1 It seems you shouldn't give up on you day job. I haven't underestimated UKIP at all. In fact I underestimated the number of people that would vote. 3.92 million voted for UKIP Thus meaning of the 14 million that voted 10,080,000 didn't vote for UKIP!!! Or out of the 45million that did/could have voted 41,080,000 didn't vote UKIP!!! In fact, to be honest, no political party won. Political apathy was the winner. Thus showing the common persons discontent with ALL political parties, yes that does include UKIP.
UKIP won come out from under your rock and watch some telly.
Did they?

In Bolton they only have 2 seats out of 60 in the locals and they actually came second in the Euro's!!!

s for the national scores...

In the locals UKIP came fourth and didn't take over any councils, whilst they won the EURO's by 2.4% they won by 4 seats - lets see how many seats they will have this time next year, or give it more of a chance in 5 years before the next elections. Last time they won 13 seats but ended up with 6 at the end of the 5 year term. Also what happened to your 33 London councillors that defect to UKIP? Oh yes none of them retained their seats!!!!

But UKIP, no matter, what has an overall majority, and like I say the majority of the electorate did NOT vote for UKIP, just like they did NOT vote for any other party and as such there are no winner except apathy (by land landslide victory of over 30million)

Mixed bag of results and doesn't actually show a pattern. Next 10 months is all to play for and I can guarantee the big 3 will fight UKIP, along with the Greens and many other independent political parties - possibly the phoenix-like rise of Veritas?
How did the party you voted for do ? hahaha.
i remember TROll saying before the election that the area he lives in little lever / darcy lever is all multicultural and everyone gets on just great .... so i wonder what TROll's view of his local area is now that ukip won the area ?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: TRO aka Nigellafarage: Did you forget to comment on your Euro Election prediction. I will put it here just in case you did. You said, Torys 25. Lab 15. Lib 13. UKIP 13. Reality was: Tory 19. Lab 13. Lib 1. UKIP 24. Dont give up your day jobs & dont go into being a pollster. Think you possibly underestimated UKIP as all people and parties who practice and promote UKIP-Denialism have. Its coming and you cant stop it.[/p][/quote]You predicted; UKIP 60 Green 10 Labor 2 Torys 1 It seems you shouldn't give up on you day job. I haven't underestimated UKIP at all. In fact I underestimated the number of people that would vote. 3.92 million voted for UKIP Thus meaning of the 14 million that voted 10,080,000 didn't vote for UKIP!!! Or out of the 45million that did/could have voted 41,080,000 didn't vote UKIP!!! In fact, to be honest, no political party won. Political apathy was the winner. Thus showing the common persons discontent with ALL political parties, yes that does include UKIP.[/p][/quote]UKIP won come out from under your rock and watch some telly.[/p][/quote]Did they? In Bolton they only have 2 seats out of 60 in the locals and they actually came second in the Euro's!!! s for the national scores... In the locals UKIP came fourth and didn't take over any councils, whilst they won the EURO's by 2.4% they won by 4 seats - lets see how many seats they will have this time next year, or give it more of a chance in 5 years before the next elections. Last time they won 13 seats but ended up with 6 at the end of the 5 year term. Also what happened to your 33 London councillors that defect to UKIP? Oh yes none of them retained their seats!!!! But UKIP, no matter, what has an overall majority, and like I say the majority of the electorate did NOT vote for UKIP, just like they did NOT vote for any other party and as such there are no winner except apathy (by land landslide victory of over 30million) Mixed bag of results and doesn't actually show a pattern. Next 10 months is all to play for and I can guarantee the big 3 will fight UKIP, along with the Greens and many other independent political parties - possibly the phoenix-like rise of Veritas?[/p][/quote]How did the party you voted for do ? hahaha.[/p][/quote]i remember TROll saying before the election that the area he lives in little lever / darcy lever is all multicultural and everyone gets on just great .... so i wonder what TROll's view of his local area is now that ukip won the area ? lv8151
  • Score: 5

7:53pm Tue 27 May 14

23262958dutch says...

i really do feel sorry for the working public of Westhoughton who rely on Public Transport. No trains Bolton to Westhoughton between 16.45 and 17.44 or is it 17.45?? No 715 Buses from Moor Lane Bus Station to Westhoughton/Aspull/
Wigan between 16.30 and 17.40. What do the people do - hang around town for an hour or work longer as some have said but this is not always feasible - having to pick children up - take them to football, dancing etc etc. Another reason for the decline in family life.

What is going on at Arriva Transport First Northern South Lancs Transport
????/ and to think they needed G.C.E.'s and Degrees to sort out these Timetables. Why not ask the Public who use them??

When the new Bus Station in Bolton opens there will be no Buses to use it!!!!! and then the Government wants everyone with Cars to use Public Transport and they wonder why they don't ditch the car!!!
i really do feel sorry for the working public of Westhoughton who rely on Public Transport. No trains Bolton to Westhoughton between 16.45 and 17.44 or is it 17.45?? No 715 Buses from Moor Lane Bus Station to Westhoughton/Aspull/ Wigan between 16.30 and 17.40. What do the people do - hang around town for an hour or work longer as some have said but this is not always feasible - having to pick children up - take them to football, dancing etc etc. Another reason for the decline in family life. What is going on at Arriva Transport First Northern South Lancs Transport ????/ and to think they needed G.C.E.'s and Degrees to sort out these Timetables. Why not ask the Public who use them?? When the new Bus Station in Bolton opens there will be no Buses to use it!!!!! and then the Government wants everyone with Cars to use Public Transport and they wonder why they don't ditch the car!!! 23262958dutch
  • Score: 2

8:24pm Tue 27 May 14

Reality50 says...

23262958dutch wrote:
i really do feel sorry for the working public of Westhoughton who rely on Public Transport. No trains Bolton to Westhoughton between 16.45 and 17.44 or is it 17.45?? No 715 Buses from Moor Lane Bus Station to Westhoughton/Aspull/

Wigan between 16.30 and 17.40. What do the people do - hang around town for an hour or work longer as some have said but this is not always feasible - having to pick children up - take them to football, dancing etc etc. Another reason for the decline in family life.

What is going on at Arriva Transport First Northern South Lancs Transport
????/ and to think they needed G.C.E.'s and Degrees to sort out these Timetables. Why not ask the Public who use them??

When the new Bus Station in Bolton opens there will be no Buses to use it!!!!! and then the Government wants everyone with Cars to use Public Transport and they wonder why they don't ditch the car!!!
The 540 Bolton-Westhoughton-
Wigan bus runs every 15 minutes so you are making a problem when there is none.
[quote][p][bold]23262958dutch[/bold] wrote: i really do feel sorry for the working public of Westhoughton who rely on Public Transport. No trains Bolton to Westhoughton between 16.45 and 17.44 or is it 17.45?? No 715 Buses from Moor Lane Bus Station to Westhoughton/Aspull/ Wigan between 16.30 and 17.40. What do the people do - hang around town for an hour or work longer as some have said but this is not always feasible - having to pick children up - take them to football, dancing etc etc. Another reason for the decline in family life. What is going on at Arriva Transport First Northern South Lancs Transport ????/ and to think they needed G.C.E.'s and Degrees to sort out these Timetables. Why not ask the Public who use them?? When the new Bus Station in Bolton opens there will be no Buses to use it!!!!! and then the Government wants everyone with Cars to use Public Transport and they wonder why they don't ditch the car!!![/p][/quote]The 540 Bolton-Westhoughton- Wigan bus runs every 15 minutes so you are making a problem when there is none. Reality50
  • Score: 1

9:00pm Tue 27 May 14

lassogaia says...

Bolton Lad 85 wrote:
Is a train at 4.38 really a commuter train! Almost all commuters will work till 5 /5.30 in Manchester. These are 3 trains to Westhoughton between 5 and 6.
Yes. Some people begin work at 7.30 or 8am and therefore finish earlier. So, yes, it is a commuter train.
[quote][p][bold]Bolton Lad 85[/bold] wrote: Is a train at 4.38 really a commuter train! Almost all commuters will work till 5 /5.30 in Manchester. These are 3 trains to Westhoughton between 5 and 6.[/p][/quote]Yes. Some people begin work at 7.30 or 8am and therefore finish earlier. So, yes, it is a commuter train. lassogaia
  • Score: 1

11:53pm Tue 27 May 14

nigella farrage says...

thomas222 wrote:
nigella farrage wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
nigella farrage wrote:
thomas222 wrote: TRO aka Nigellafarage: Did you forget to comment on your Euro Election prediction. I will put it here just in case you did. You said, Torys 25. Lab 15. Lib 13. UKIP 13. Reality was: Tory 19. Lab 13. Lib 1. UKIP 24. Dont give up your day jobs & dont go into being a pollster. Think you possibly underestimated UKIP as all people and parties who practice and promote UKIP-Denialism have. Its coming and you cant stop it.
You predicted; UKIP 60 Green 10 Labor 2 Torys 1 It seems you shouldn't give up on you day job. I haven't underestimated UKIP at all. In fact I underestimated the number of people that would vote. 3.92 million voted for UKIP Thus meaning of the 14 million that voted 10,080,000 didn't vote for UKIP!!! Or out of the 45million that did/could have voted 41,080,000 didn't vote UKIP!!! In fact, to be honest, no political party won. Political apathy was the winner. Thus showing the common persons discontent with ALL political parties, yes that does include UKIP.
UKIP won come out from under your rock and watch some telly.
Did they? In Bolton they only have 2 seats out of 60 in the locals and they actually came second in the Euro's!!! s for the national scores... In the locals UKIP came fourth and didn't take over any councils, whilst they won the EURO's by 2.4% they won by 4 seats - lets see how many seats they will have this time next year, or give it more of a chance in 5 years before the next elections. Last time they won 13 seats but ended up with 6 at the end of the 5 year term. Also what happened to your 33 London councillors that defect to UKIP? Oh yes none of them retained their seats!!!! But UKIP, no matter, what has an overall majority, and like I say the majority of the electorate did NOT vote for UKIP, just like they did NOT vote for any other party and as such there are no winner except apathy (by land landslide victory of over 30million) Mixed bag of results and doesn't actually show a pattern. Next 10 months is all to play for and I can guarantee the big 3 will fight UKIP, along with the Greens and many other independent political parties - possibly the phoenix-like rise of Veritas?
How did the party you voted for do ? hahaha.
In the locals came first and in the euro's came 3rd.

My protest votes went to The Conservatives.

How did yours do - let me see 4th in the locals and 1st in Euros (although MEP's have no power to do anything in the UK - so doesn't matter how anyone votes in the Euro's as in the end the EU directives have to be passed locally (i.e. Westminster) so in effect it is our MP's they pass, or not, any EU directives!


Any thoughts on TI yet? Considering UKIP want t and it has the potential for a US company to bankrupt the UK, never mind any other non-US nation that signs it!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: TRO aka Nigellafarage: Did you forget to comment on your Euro Election prediction. I will put it here just in case you did. You said, Torys 25. Lab 15. Lib 13. UKIP 13. Reality was: Tory 19. Lab 13. Lib 1. UKIP 24. Dont give up your day jobs & dont go into being a pollster. Think you possibly underestimated UKIP as all people and parties who practice and promote UKIP-Denialism have. Its coming and you cant stop it.[/p][/quote]You predicted; UKIP 60 Green 10 Labor 2 Torys 1 It seems you shouldn't give up on you day job. I haven't underestimated UKIP at all. In fact I underestimated the number of people that would vote. 3.92 million voted for UKIP Thus meaning of the 14 million that voted 10,080,000 didn't vote for UKIP!!! Or out of the 45million that did/could have voted 41,080,000 didn't vote UKIP!!! In fact, to be honest, no political party won. Political apathy was the winner. Thus showing the common persons discontent with ALL political parties, yes that does include UKIP.[/p][/quote]UKIP won come out from under your rock and watch some telly.[/p][/quote]Did they? In Bolton they only have 2 seats out of 60 in the locals and they actually came second in the Euro's!!! s for the national scores... In the locals UKIP came fourth and didn't take over any councils, whilst they won the EURO's by 2.4% they won by 4 seats - lets see how many seats they will have this time next year, or give it more of a chance in 5 years before the next elections. Last time they won 13 seats but ended up with 6 at the end of the 5 year term. Also what happened to your 33 London councillors that defect to UKIP? Oh yes none of them retained their seats!!!! But UKIP, no matter, what has an overall majority, and like I say the majority of the electorate did NOT vote for UKIP, just like they did NOT vote for any other party and as such there are no winner except apathy (by land landslide victory of over 30million) Mixed bag of results and doesn't actually show a pattern. Next 10 months is all to play for and I can guarantee the big 3 will fight UKIP, along with the Greens and many other independent political parties - possibly the phoenix-like rise of Veritas?[/p][/quote]How did the party you voted for do ? hahaha.[/p][/quote]In the locals came first and in the euro's came 3rd. My protest votes went to The Conservatives. How did yours do - let me see 4th in the locals and 1st in Euros (although MEP's have no power to do anything in the UK - so doesn't matter how anyone votes in the Euro's as in the end the EU directives have to be passed locally (i.e. Westminster) so in effect it is our MP's they pass, or not, any EU directives! Any thoughts on TI yet? Considering UKIP want t and it has the potential for a US company to bankrupt the UK, never mind any other non-US nation that signs it! nigella farrage
  • Score: -26

11:53pm Tue 27 May 14

nigella farrage says...

TI is meant to read TTIP
TI is meant to read TTIP nigella farrage
  • Score: -28

12:10am Wed 28 May 14

nigella farrage says...

thomas222 wrote:
nigella farrage wrote: And anther one comes out of the woodwork - 2 in one day, priceless. At this rate, by the end of the year there could be NO UKIP local councillors! Twitter users have reacted in shock over UKIP Geoffrey Clark’s call for the compulsory abortion of any foetus with Down’s syndrome. In his personal manifesto for last Thursday's local elections Mr Clark states: “Consider compulsory abortion when the foetus is detected as having Downs, Spina Bifida or similar syndrome which, if it is born, will render the child a burden on the state as well as on the family.” Disability charity Mencap slammed the manifesto, saying they were “disgusted and shocked”. One user wrote: “My son is #notaburden - he is a wonderful person who has taught me so much, more than anyone I know. I love him to bits.”
Are you stupid the more you smear the more you lose... Bye Bye.
I am not stupid, in fact I am one of the more intelligent voters, as claimed by the official UKIP spokesperson, especially when she mentioned that people of high intelligence, good education and read subjects will never vote UKIP as it is a party that collects votes from the lowest form of humanity.

But it does seem like business as usual - so that is 2 councillors down already and its only 5 days after the local elections. Now down to 153 seats just above "Others" by 5 seats!!! And if the previous 12 months are anything to go by then UKIP will lose 12% more local councillors which means the number s will decrease from 153 to 135 seats which will mean UKIP will have less seats than "Others" Whilst in the EU Parliament if the last term is anything to go by then UKIP will lose 54% of the current MEP's before the next EU Elections which means they will go from 24 seats to 11 seats which will put them behind The Conservatives.

Plus lets get this right more than30million did not vote which means that 30 million decided they want to stay in EU by default of not voting. Also, out of those that did vote 70% of the 13million decided to vote for a Party that wants to stay in Europe (and that is also measured by the number of seats - Anti-EU 24 seats, Pro-EU 49 seats)

So UKIP winning is actually a very hollow victory as they still don't have any significant power, not even in the EU!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: And anther one comes out of the woodwork - 2 in one day, priceless. At this rate, by the end of the year there could be NO UKIP local councillors! Twitter users have reacted in shock over UKIP Geoffrey Clark’s call for the compulsory abortion of any foetus with Down’s syndrome. In his personal manifesto for last Thursday's local elections Mr Clark states: “Consider compulsory abortion when the foetus is detected as having Downs, Spina Bifida or similar syndrome which, if it is born, will render the child a burden on the state as well as on the family.” Disability charity Mencap slammed the manifesto, saying they were “disgusted and shocked”. One user wrote: “My son is #notaburden - he is a wonderful person who has taught me so much, more than anyone I know. I love him to bits.”[/p][/quote]Are you stupid the more you smear the more you lose... Bye Bye.[/p][/quote]I am not stupid, in fact I am one of the more intelligent voters, as claimed by the official UKIP spokesperson, especially when she mentioned that people of high intelligence, good education and read subjects will never vote UKIP as it is a party that collects votes from the lowest form of humanity. But it does seem like business as usual - so that is 2 councillors down already and its only 5 days after the local elections. Now down to 153 seats just above "Others" by 5 seats!!! And if the previous 12 months are anything to go by then UKIP will lose 12% more local councillors which means the number s will decrease from 153 to 135 seats which will mean UKIP will have less seats than "Others" Whilst in the EU Parliament if the last term is anything to go by then UKIP will lose 54% of the current MEP's before the next EU Elections which means they will go from 24 seats to 11 seats which will put them behind The Conservatives. Plus lets get this right more than30million did not vote which means that 30 million decided they want to stay in EU by default of not voting. Also, out of those that did vote 70% of the 13million decided to vote for a Party that wants to stay in Europe (and that is also measured by the number of seats - Anti-EU 24 seats, Pro-EU 49 seats) So UKIP winning is actually a very hollow victory as they still don't have any significant power, not even in the EU! nigella farrage
  • Score: -11

12:19am Wed 28 May 14

nigella farrage says...

Also lets not forget that as I am not aligned to any political party, or follow any party whip, I can say what I se and it doesn't matter if it pushes people to vote UKIP or not. I am vox-popping my views from actual facts and giving people a showcase of what UKIP actually stands for, and how the manipulate and lie to gain votes.


5 facts about immigration that may surprise you...

1). 31% of NHS doctors are foreign-born. The BMA advises that without immigrants "many NHS services would struggle to provide effective care".

2). Almost 6.53 million British people live permanently abroad, of which 2.7 million live in non-UK EU countries.


3). Immigrants are 71.2% less likely to claim benefits than a British-born national

4). Between '95-'13, EU immigrants contributed £14.3 billion more than they gained

5). 98% of studies suggest that immigration has no significant effect on overall employment, or British unemployment.
Also lets not forget that as I am not aligned to any political party, or follow any party whip, I can say what I se and it doesn't matter if it pushes people to vote UKIP or not. I am vox-popping my views from actual facts and giving people a showcase of what UKIP actually stands for, and how the manipulate and lie to gain votes. 5 facts about immigration that may surprise you... 1). 31% of NHS doctors are foreign-born. The BMA advises that without immigrants "many NHS services would struggle to provide effective care". 2). Almost 6.53 million British people live permanently abroad, of which 2.7 million live in non-UK EU countries. 3). Immigrants are 71.2% less likely to claim benefits than a British-born national 4). Between '95-'13, EU immigrants contributed £14.3 billion more than they gained 5). 98% of studies suggest that immigration has no significant effect on overall employment, or British unemployment. nigella farrage
  • Score: -15

12:26am Wed 28 May 14

nigella farrage says...

UKI{ plans for your wages:

Merge income tax and national insurance into a flat 31% for all starting at £11,500. Scrap employers’ NI with revenue recouped from corporation tax, VAT or reduced welfare. That's the same NI that you pay for the NHS....so they're taking the money and scrapping the NHS anyway. welcome to a 15% tax increase, plus it is at least a 15% reduction of the tax for the highest 5% earners - thus the less well off are paying the tax for the much well off!

And lets not forget that UKIP, if given the chance, will raise VAT from 20% (4th lowest in Europe - and not just the EU) to 25% (2nd highest in Europe)!
UKI{ plans for your wages: Merge income tax and national insurance into a flat 31% for all starting at £11,500. Scrap employers’ NI with revenue recouped from corporation tax, VAT or reduced welfare. That's the same NI that you pay for the NHS....so they're taking the money and scrapping the NHS anyway. welcome to a 15% tax increase, plus it is at least a 15% reduction of the tax for the highest 5% earners - thus the less well off are paying the tax for the much well off! And lets not forget that UKIP, if given the chance, will raise VAT from 20% (4th lowest in Europe - and not just the EU) to 25% (2nd highest in Europe)! nigella farrage
  • Score: -22

12:31am Wed 28 May 14

nigella farrage says...

http://blogs.ec.euro
pa.eu/ECintheUK/ten-
things-europe-has-do
ne-for-the-uk-and-ot
hers/

10 things that the EU has done since that have helped citizens and countries. This isn't the full list but just a very small snapshot - and guess what UKIP either didn't turn up to vote or just said NO to every single one of them help - thus showing they are not helping the people of Britain
http://blogs.ec.euro pa.eu/ECintheUK/ten- things-europe-has-do ne-for-the-uk-and-ot hers/ 10 things that the EU has done since that have helped citizens and countries. This isn't the full list but just a very small snapshot - and guess what UKIP either didn't turn up to vote or just said NO to every single one of them help - thus showing they are not helping the people of Britain nigella farrage
  • Score: -40

12:34am Wed 28 May 14

nigella farrage says...

More factual maths to ingest.

Watch the Ukippers squirm and say its all lies, when its all factually correct and comes from the data from the European elections!!!

The far right vote went up by 3.3% . Include the Tories and the vote went DOWN by 1.5%. The left parties share on the other hand went UP by 6.9 %. A swing of 4.2 from right to left. In terms of seats the right gained 3 and the left gained 8. In terms of actual votes the right gained 512,585 and the left 1,523,286, nearly three times as many. Facts not fiction.

All Farage really managed to do was unite all the racists and bigots behind Ukip.
More factual maths to ingest. Watch the Ukippers squirm and say its all lies, when its all factually correct and comes from the data from the European elections!!! The far right vote went up by 3.3% . Include the Tories and the vote went DOWN by 1.5%. The left parties share on the other hand went UP by 6.9 %. A swing of 4.2 from right to left. In terms of seats the right gained 3 and the left gained 8. In terms of actual votes the right gained 512,585 and the left 1,523,286, nearly three times as many. Facts not fiction. All Farage really managed to do was unite all the racists and bigots behind Ukip. nigella farrage
  • Score: -19

12:37am Wed 28 May 14

nigella farrage says...

Here are 14 reasons why women (and men who believe in equality of the sexes) should sooner drink poison than support UKIP.

1. Nigel Farage on women: “Godfrey’s comment that ‘no employer with a brain in the right place would employ a young, single, free woman‘ has been proved so right. With this lunacy, that if you have children you get three months paid leave off work, or six months paid leave off work – he absolutely got it spot on.”

2. UKIP want to scrap paid maternity leave (in line with Lesotho, Swaziland, the US and Papua New Guinea).

3. UKIP want to make it legal for employers to discriminate on the basis of gender (as well as race).

4. This would also entail the scrapping of employment regulations against sexual harassment and safeguards for part time and irregular workers, the majority of which are women.

5. Nigel Farage informed City high flyers that they are “worth less” to employers if they become mothers or that motherhood is a lifestyle choice.

6. Patrick O’Flynn, MEP Candidate, also say that pregnant women in the workplace are a “disaster”.

7. UKIP’s MEPs have consistently failed to represent the interests of women. They have voted against or simply not turned up to key votes in the European Parliament on ensuring equal pay, combating violence against women and ruling out FGM, to name but a few.

8. Since the 2009 European Election UKIP’s only two female MEPs, Nikki Sinclaire and Marta Andreasen, have both left the party. Andreason said Farage “doesn’t try to involve intelligent professional women in positions of responsibility in the party. He thinks women should be in the kitchen or in the bedroom”. Nikki Sinclaire won an Employment Tribunal claim for sex discrimination against the party.

9. Roger Helmer, UKIP MEP and candidate in the Newark by-election, said, “Rape is always wrong, but not always equally culpable.”

10. Godfrey Bloom, a former UKIP MEP, was not reprimanded for hugely sexist statements such as, “ shrill, bored, middle-class women of a certain physical genre” and, “Women, in spite of years of training in art and music – and significant leisure time in the 18th and 19th Centuries – have produced few great works”

11. Stuart Wheeler, the party’s treasurer, said that women were “absolutely nowhere” when they compete with men in sports where they are not physically disadvantaged. He said, “I would just like to challenge the idea that it is necessary to have a lot of women or a particular number on a board… Business is very, very competitive and you should take the performance of women in another competitive area, which is sport where have no strength advantage.”

12. In November 2013, UKIP MEP, Stuart Agnew said (in a debate on women in the boardroom) that “Women don’t have the ambition to get to the top, something gets in the way. It’s called a baby… Those females who really want to get to the top do so”.

13. David Chalice , a senior party official in Exeter, has voiced his belief that women should stay at home and that “cash-strapped Moslems”(sic) should have multiple wives.

14. Demetri Marchessini, the party’s sixth-largest individual donor in 2013, said there was no such thing as marital rape, arguing: “If you make love on Friday and make love Sunday, you can’t say Saturday is rape.” He also claimed women should be banned from wearing trousers because they “discourage love-making”.
Here are 14 reasons why women (and men who believe in equality of the sexes) should sooner drink poison than support UKIP. 1. Nigel Farage on women: “Godfrey’s [Bloom, former UKIP MEP] comment that ‘no employer with a brain in the right place would employ a young, single, free woman‘ has been proved so right. With this lunacy, that if you have children you get three months paid leave off work, or six months paid leave off work – he absolutely got it spot on.” 2. UKIP want to scrap paid maternity leave (in line with Lesotho, Swaziland, the US and Papua New Guinea). 3. UKIP want to make it legal for employers to discriminate on the basis of gender (as well as race). 4. This would also entail the scrapping of employment regulations against sexual harassment and safeguards for part time and irregular workers, the majority of which are women. 5. Nigel Farage informed City high flyers that they are “worth less” to employers if they become mothers or that motherhood is a lifestyle choice. 6. Patrick O’Flynn, MEP Candidate, also say that pregnant women in the workplace are a “disaster”. 7. UKIP’s MEPs have consistently failed to represent the interests of women. They have voted against or simply not turned up to key votes in the European Parliament on ensuring equal pay, combating violence against women and ruling out FGM, to name but a few. 8. Since the 2009 European Election UKIP’s only two female MEPs, Nikki Sinclaire and Marta Andreasen, have both left the party. Andreason said Farage “doesn’t try to involve intelligent professional women in positions of responsibility in the party. He thinks women should be in the kitchen or in the bedroom”. Nikki Sinclaire won an Employment Tribunal claim for sex discrimination against the party. 9. Roger Helmer, UKIP MEP and candidate in the Newark by-election, said, “Rape is always wrong, but not always equally culpable.” 10. Godfrey Bloom, a former UKIP MEP, was not reprimanded for hugely sexist statements such as, “[feminists are] shrill, bored, middle-class women of a certain physical genre” and, “Women, in spite of years of training in art and music – and significant leisure time in the 18th and 19th Centuries – have produced few great works” 11. Stuart Wheeler, the party’s treasurer, said that women were “absolutely nowhere” when they compete with men in sports where they are not physically disadvantaged. He said, “I would just like to challenge the idea that it is necessary to have a lot of women or a particular number on a board… Business is very, very competitive and you should take the performance of women in another competitive area, which is sport where [men] have no strength advantage.” 12. In November 2013, UKIP MEP, Stuart Agnew said (in a debate on women in the boardroom) that “Women don’t have the ambition to get to the top, something gets in the way. It’s called a baby… Those females who really want to get to the top do so”. 13. David Chalice , a senior party official in Exeter, has voiced his belief that women should stay at home and that “cash-strapped Moslems”(sic) should have multiple wives. 14. Demetri Marchessini, the party’s sixth-largest individual donor in 2013, said there was no such thing as marital rape, arguing: “If you make love on Friday and make love Sunday, you can’t say Saturday is rape.” He also claimed women should be banned from wearing trousers because they “discourage love-making”. nigella farrage
  • Score: -39

12:46am Wed 28 May 14

nigella farrage says...

Firstly UKIP are advocating so-called immigration control because the county is full

No the one, and only Scottish UKIP MEP (by a small margin), is advocating that Scottish need to have more babies to make up the numbers that will be lost in the workforce!!!!

Which one is it? Is the country full? - if so then why advocate pro-creation in order to increase the population even more?
Firstly UKIP are advocating so-called immigration control because the county is full No the one, and only Scottish UKIP MEP (by a small margin), is advocating that Scottish need to have more babies to make up the numbers that will be lost in the workforce!!!! Which one is it? Is the country full? - if so then why advocate pro-creation in order to increase the population even more? nigella farrage
  • Score: -33

6:21am Wed 28 May 14

oftbewildered2 says...

bleedingobvious wrote:
After you've had an accident on your moped or motorbike you can spend the rest of your days hobbling with a stick or in a wheelchair and wishing they'd put a proper train service on so you didn't need to take your life in your hands on two wheels.
well the way the trains are crowded - if one of those ever had an accident, more than one person could well end up hobbling on crutches or in a wheelchair
[quote][p][bold]bleedingobvious[/bold] wrote: After you've had an accident on your moped or motorbike you can spend the rest of your days hobbling with a stick or in a wheelchair and wishing they'd put a proper train service on so you didn't need to take your life in your hands on two wheels.[/p][/quote]well the way the trains are crowded - if one of those ever had an accident, more than one person could well end up hobbling on crutches or in a wheelchair oftbewildered2
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6:21am Wed 28 May 14

oftbewildered2 says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
If the train has to miss a stop, why not Hindley, which can be easily accommodated, whereas Westhoughton can't.
good point well presented
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: If the train has to miss a stop, why not Hindley, which can be easily accommodated, whereas Westhoughton can't.[/p][/quote]good point well presented oftbewildered2
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8:38am Wed 28 May 14

Terry McC says...

Reality50 wrote:
Typical "Howfeners" complaining again. We in Farnworth have one train an hour ALL DAY and no evening or Sunday service. Think yourselves lucky as our train service is abysmal around the clock. We Farnworthians just accept the mediocre service and so should you.
you got gas and electric yet though
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Typical "Howfeners" complaining again. We in Farnworth have one train an hour ALL DAY and no evening or Sunday service. Think yourselves lucky as our train service is abysmal around the clock. We Farnworthians just accept the mediocre service and so should you.[/p][/quote]you got gas and electric yet though Terry McC
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8:48am Wed 28 May 14

bleedingobvious says...

Yes overcrowded trains are potentially unsafe.But not much chance of being catapulted 50 yards and waking up with your leg behind your head and on morphine.
Yes overcrowded trains are potentially unsafe.But not much chance of being catapulted 50 yards and waking up with your leg behind your head and on morphine. bleedingobvious
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9:25am Wed 28 May 14

thomas222 says...

Nigella aka TRO-LL is a very worried person for some reason.Is it because he thinks that the brown shirts will turn into purple shirts perhaps?. I am sure the people who are known to protest about what we do here by calling our troops murderers may get their wishes sooner than they thought by getting the Sharia law they wanted by sending them back to a sharia law Country. Personally i think thats a act of kindness paying the fare back to someone who wants a sharia Country. But dont worry it wont happen, they will im sure be given a choice of put up or shut up and i wonder which they will take ?.
Nigella aka TRO-LL is a very worried person for some reason.Is it because he thinks that the brown shirts will turn into purple shirts perhaps?. I am sure the people who are known to protest about what we do here by calling our troops murderers may get their wishes sooner than they thought by getting the Sharia law they wanted by sending them back to a sharia law Country. Personally i think thats a act of kindness paying the fare back to someone who wants a sharia Country. But dont worry it wont happen, they will im sure be given a choice of put up or shut up and i wonder which they will take ?. thomas222
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10:41am Wed 28 May 14

Ernagy2 says...

Mally79 wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
If the train has to miss a stop, why not Hindley, which can be easily accommodated, whereas Westhoughton can't.
How do you work that out? There's only one station in Hindley and there's two in Westhoughton. If your cutting a stop out then Westhoughton would be the most logic as there's still another service that goes to a different part of that town (Daisy Hill) .
Because all the trains that go through Daisy Hill and Westhoughton stop at Hindley. So they wouldn't miss a one train. Whereas the people who get of at Westhoughton would.
[quote][p][bold]Mally79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: If the train has to miss a stop, why not Hindley, which can be easily accommodated, whereas Westhoughton can't.[/p][/quote]How do you work that out? There's only one station in Hindley and there's two in Westhoughton. If your cutting a stop out then Westhoughton would be the most logic as there's still another service that goes to a different part of that town (Daisy Hill) .[/p][/quote]Because all the trains that go through Daisy Hill and Westhoughton stop at Hindley. So they wouldn't miss a one train. Whereas the people who get of at Westhoughton would. Ernagy2
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11:09am Wed 28 May 14

Jim271 says...

I've just had a warning regarding comments I have made,

But they never tell you which comments are in violation or whom has complained.

Therefore its rubbish, you have a legal right to know who has made an accusation.

What are you scared of Bolton News???? people speaking the truth????
I've just had a warning regarding comments I have made, But they never tell you which comments are in violation or whom has complained. Therefore its rubbish, you have a legal right to know who has made an accusation. What are you scared of Bolton News???? people speaking the truth???? Jim271
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4:52pm Wed 28 May 14

nigella farrage says...

Thomas222,

It is not about the so-called encroaching of sharia law, as you, UKIP and other haters like to keep saying. And the fact that you keep saying it shows you have a problem not only with people of different religions but people in general who are different to your so-called normality!!!

Fact is the majority of Sharia law is already law and have been for centuries because most of their law is exactly the same as the laws that derived from the Christian scriptures!

In France they have a law that forbids people to go overdrawn on their financial matters and any sort of debt is looked upon as a sin. that law has been there for about 200 years, but because Sharia Law also has the same value many deem the French law to be a result of Sharia encroachment!

It s a fear of the unknown and that fear, for you, is born out of ignorance and a lot of hear'say which is 100% untrue.

If we were to do the same with Christianity then why are we not stoning people for being non-Christian? Why are we not implementing an eye for an eye style justice? Why do let people, who commit adultery, off scot free, etc etc etc

Fact is, in the real world the 2 religions do not clash, the 2 religions do not make bed fellowes. fact is people believe in what they want to believe - and that could 1 of any 5000+ religions. Some are extreme, the majority are not. Lets not forget that Christianity also have extreme groups such as that at Waco and those who help fund the IRA to fight other Christian groups etc etc etc - but you do not seem to condemn them as much.


Fact is I am not afraid, otherwise I wouldn't respond. I am showing UKIP up for what they are - a facist party. A Political Party that took all of BNP's votes, took votes away from The Conservatives and Liberal Democrats but didn't even dent the parties on the left side of the spectrum, thus showing how right-winged UKIP actually are!

But you cannot see that, you are drunk with the fact they have one policy on immigration and it goes with you belief on your far of people.

You never answered my question. What do you think of the TTIP? (do you actually know what the TTIP is?)
Thomas222, It is not about the so-called encroaching of sharia law, as you, UKIP and other haters like to keep saying. And the fact that you keep saying it shows you have a problem not only with people of different religions but people in general who are different to your so-called normality!!! Fact is the majority of Sharia law is already law and have been for centuries because most of their law is exactly the same as the laws that derived from the Christian scriptures! In France they have a law that forbids people to go overdrawn on their financial matters and any sort of debt is looked upon as a sin. that law has been there for about 200 years, but because Sharia Law also has the same value many deem the French law to be a result of Sharia encroachment! It s a fear of the unknown and that fear, for you, is born out of ignorance and a lot of hear'say which is 100% untrue. If we were to do the same with Christianity then why are we not stoning people for being non-Christian? Why are we not implementing an eye for an eye style justice? Why do let people, who commit adultery, off scot free, etc etc etc Fact is, in the real world the 2 religions do not clash, the 2 religions do not make bed fellowes. fact is people believe in what they want to believe - and that could 1 of any 5000+ religions. Some are extreme, the majority are not. Lets not forget that Christianity also have extreme groups such as that at Waco and those who help fund the IRA to fight other Christian groups etc etc etc - but you do not seem to condemn them as much. Fact is I am not afraid, otherwise I wouldn't respond. I am showing UKIP up for what they are - a facist party. A Political Party that took all of BNP's votes, took votes away from The Conservatives and Liberal Democrats but didn't even dent the parties on the left side of the spectrum, thus showing how right-winged UKIP actually are! But you cannot see that, you are drunk with the fact they have one policy on immigration and it goes with you belief on your far of people. You never answered my question. What do you think of the TTIP? (do you actually know what the TTIP is?) nigella farrage
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5:05pm Wed 28 May 14

thomas222 says...

nigella farrage wrote:
Thomas222,

It is not about the so-called encroaching of sharia law, as you, UKIP and other haters like to keep saying. And the fact that you keep saying it shows you have a problem not only with people of different religions but people in general who are different to your so-called normality!!!

Fact is the majority of Sharia law is already law and have been for centuries because most of their law is exactly the same as the laws that derived from the Christian scriptures!

In France they have a law that forbids people to go overdrawn on their financial matters and any sort of debt is looked upon as a sin. that law has been there for about 200 years, but because Sharia Law also has the same value many deem the French law to be a result of Sharia encroachment!

It s a fear of the unknown and that fear, for you, is born out of ignorance and a lot of hear'say which is 100% untrue.

If we were to do the same with Christianity then why are we not stoning people for being non-Christian? Why are we not implementing an eye for an eye style justice? Why do let people, who commit adultery, off scot free, etc etc etc

Fact is, in the real world the 2 religions do not clash, the 2 religions do not make bed fellowes. fact is people believe in what they want to believe - and that could 1 of any 5000+ religions. Some are extreme, the majority are not. Lets not forget that Christianity also have extreme groups such as that at Waco and those who help fund the IRA to fight other Christian groups etc etc etc - but you do not seem to condemn them as much.


Fact is I am not afraid, otherwise I wouldn't respond. I am showing UKIP up for what they are - a facist party. A Political Party that took all of BNP's votes, took votes away from The Conservatives and Liberal Democrats but didn't even dent the parties on the left side of the spectrum, thus showing how right-winged UKIP actually are!

But you cannot see that, you are drunk with the fact they have one policy on immigration and it goes with you belief on your far of people.

You never answered my question. What do you think of the TTIP? (do you actually know what the TTIP is?)
Sharia Law is a law from Foreign lands & its not religious because its a Man made law. Told you before i am not interested in TTIP because we have the world trade Org & need not a free trade agreement between the EU & USA thank you very mutch. Would you open a new retail shop in a area thats on the decline and going skint imploding daily or one area that is booming and wealthy. Asked you this before you didnt reply wonder why. lol
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: Thomas222, It is not about the so-called encroaching of sharia law, as you, UKIP and other haters like to keep saying. And the fact that you keep saying it shows you have a problem not only with people of different religions but people in general who are different to your so-called normality!!! Fact is the majority of Sharia law is already law and have been for centuries because most of their law is exactly the same as the laws that derived from the Christian scriptures! In France they have a law that forbids people to go overdrawn on their financial matters and any sort of debt is looked upon as a sin. that law has been there for about 200 years, but because Sharia Law also has the same value many deem the French law to be a result of Sharia encroachment! It s a fear of the unknown and that fear, for you, is born out of ignorance and a lot of hear'say which is 100% untrue. If we were to do the same with Christianity then why are we not stoning people for being non-Christian? Why are we not implementing an eye for an eye style justice? Why do let people, who commit adultery, off scot free, etc etc etc Fact is, in the real world the 2 religions do not clash, the 2 religions do not make bed fellowes. fact is people believe in what they want to believe - and that could 1 of any 5000+ religions. Some are extreme, the majority are not. Lets not forget that Christianity also have extreme groups such as that at Waco and those who help fund the IRA to fight other Christian groups etc etc etc - but you do not seem to condemn them as much. Fact is I am not afraid, otherwise I wouldn't respond. I am showing UKIP up for what they are - a facist party. A Political Party that took all of BNP's votes, took votes away from The Conservatives and Liberal Democrats but didn't even dent the parties on the left side of the spectrum, thus showing how right-winged UKIP actually are! But you cannot see that, you are drunk with the fact they have one policy on immigration and it goes with you belief on your far of people. You never answered my question. What do you think of the TTIP? (do you actually know what the TTIP is?)[/p][/quote]Sharia Law is a law from Foreign lands & its not religious because its a Man made law. Told you before i am not interested in TTIP because we have the world trade Org & need not a free trade agreement between the EU & USA thank you very mutch. Would you open a new retail shop in a area thats on the decline and going skint imploding daily or one area that is booming and wealthy. Asked you this before you didnt reply wonder why. lol thomas222
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