Tracey's landmark parking ticket victory (From The Bolton News)

Quote..."It is the council's view that each case is judged on its own facts and the council has been successful on a previous occasion when parking outside the bay was adjudicated upon."
The adjudication was not about parking over the line It was about a missing word on a sign which made the sign unlawful therefore none compliant if the sign was unlawful then the contravention did not occur, anyone wanting to claim restitution and they need advice contact me on parkingcharges@ntlwo
rld.com or use the other email address.

So those of us who are able to park correctly are going to suffer, as numpties like this are able to park across the lines with no recourse. If they want tow bays maybe they should pay for two bays.
Maybe she should take the money that she would have had to pay for her parking fine, and purchase a new pair of glasses to enable her to see the lines more clearly.

"If i'd know it would lead to a ticket I would have been a bit more careful" - how about being careful in order to consider the impact on other parkers, not just the impact on your wallet

Horwich Allstars wrote:
So those of us who are able to park correctly are going to suffer, as numpties like this are able to park across the lines with no recourse. If they want tow bays maybe they should pay for two bays. Maybe she should take the money that she would have had to pay for her parking fine, and purchase a new pair of glasses to enable her to see the lines more clearly. "If i'd know it would lead to a ticket I would have been a bit more careful" - how about being careful in order to consider the impact on other parkers, not just the impact on your wallet

if you read my reply it is about an unlawful sign not parking over a line, it was the act of parking over the line that highlighted the fact that Bolton Council have been unlawfully issuing penalty Charge Notices since 2001 and since the adjudication was published the Council have committed a criminal offence everytime they issue a PCN in a car park that still has the non compliant wording on the sign. there is no excuse for personal abuse she is not a numpty.

xipetotec46 wrote:
Quote..."It is the council's view that each case is judged on its own facts and the council has been successful on a previous occasion when parking outside the bay was adjudicated upon."
The adjudication was not about parking over the line It was about a missing word on a sign which made the sign unlawful therefore none compliant if the sign was unlawful then the contravention did not occur, anyone wanting to claim restitution and they need advice contact me on parkingcharges@ntlwo
rld.com or use the other email address.

No but if YOU DO PARK OVER THE LINE and YOU ARE A DISABLED DRIVER and HAVE RECEIVED A TICKET.

YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOU MONEY BACK.

If this woman cannot park within the markings she should not be driving in the first place.She deserved the fine, it`s not that much. Don`t be such a mardy.

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Correct apply for restitution.

Correct apply for restitution.

Another inconsiderate driver, parking wherever they like - she should watch how she is parking regardless of any signage. Seems to me that this is an opportunity for Mr Moss to get some free advertising in the Evening News and drum up a bit of trade.

Get some glasses, show some consideration and park properly.

Only 1% that is still over £10,000 swindled out of the public in Bolton. And thats 1.6 million nation wide so crime dose pay, when you work for the right people.

Sheila wrote:
If this woman cannot park within the markings she should not be driving in the first place.She deserved the fine, it`s not that much. Don`t be such a mardy.

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Sheila, everytime i read one of your comments I cringe. Would just like to point out Miss Superior that 30 pounds when you have 4 children is alot of money, especially when it's for something that has been clearly proven as illegal! It is not as though she parked and didnt purchase a valid ticket or parked sideways across 2 bays without a ticket. It was one wheel 5 inches over. And also Sheila, how on earth can you seriously say that someone is not fit to drive just because of one mistake whilst parking? Pathetic comment.If thats the case then the question you should be asking is how can Bolton council run a town when they can't even word their signs correctly .

Excellent. You FINALLY reported this story, BN.

are we all not missing the point here its the dick turpins at the town hall that are the highway robbers

Ian wrote:

xipetotec46 wrote: Quote..."It is the council's view that each case is judged on its own facts and the council has been successful on a previous occasion when parking outside the bay was adjudicated upon." The adjudication was not about parking over the line It was about a missing word on a sign which made the sign unlawful therefore none compliant if the sign was unlawful then the contravention did not occur, anyone wanting to claim restitution and they need advice contact me on parkingcharges@ntlwo rld.com or use the other email address.

No but if YOU DO PARK OVER THE LINE and YOU ARE A DISABLED DRIVER and HAVE RECEIVED A TICKET. YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOU MONEY BACK.

Sorry Ian that is not the case. I, in a similar position had to pay the fine despite being disabled and not causing an obstruction(in fact the bay I infringed was taken by recycling recepticles) The Gent who is entitled to his money back was not infringing on another bay but legally parked in a bay that was blatantly too small to accomodate any car,

You are all jumping in feet first. It's possible (but unlikely) that Miss Pilkington had to park her car outside the bay because the car in the bay next door was overhanging their bay. It only takes one inconsiderate driver to force everybody else to commit an offence.

The root of the problem is that the bays are too small for an average size car. Parking bays should be wide enough to fit a car in the centre with enough space to open the doors on both sides of the car without hitting the vehicles in the adjacent bays.

Today I have just been to every council Pay and Display car park in Bolton Town Centre inner car park system and every sign is unlawful. to the uninitiated this means that Bolton council have been stealing money from motorists who may have committed a minor contravent like the Lady I spoker to today who has to pay £95 because she was 4 minutes late getting back to her car because she happened to stop and comfort an elderly lady who had fallen in the street. did the Council accept her Mitigating circumstances absolutely not the, penalty charge had reached charge certificate stage just one step away from bailiffs, and this was because Bolton Council committed a criminal act by issuing her with a penalty charge notice, I will now give her free advice on how to claim the £95 back plus interest plus damages and to the Horwich Allstars I am retired I do this for fun I am a crusader against Rip off Britain, it costs me money to bring this appeal over £400 so far, it was to highlight the unlawful activities the Council have been getting away with and sheila, I hope you never receive a Penalty Charge Notice because I would like to see the Mardy look on your face, if you received a PCN tomorrow knowing what you know now that it cannot be enforced would you still pay the £30, I think not troublw with folk like sheila is they never put themselves in the other person shoes and take a step back and think, the engage their mouth before putting their brains into gear.

Bolton Council also continued to enforce PCN's that contained only one date even after the High Court Decision.

They seem to have gone very quiet on a case that the Court allowed a Stat Dec to be served out of time with costs. (I wonder why).

The legal department of the Council are paid very well for knowing and doing very little that complies with parking legislation.

xipetotec46 wrote:
Today I have just been to every council Pay and Display car park in Bolton Town Centre inner car park system and every sign is unlawful. to the uninitiated this means that Bolton council have been stealing money from motorists who may have committed a minor contravent like the Lady I spoker to today who has to pay £95 because she was 4 minutes late getting back to her car because she happened to stop and comfort an elderly lady who had fallen in the street. did the Council accept her Mitigating circumstances absolutely not the, penalty charge had reached charge certificate stage just one step away from bailiffs, and this was because Bolton Council committed a criminal act by issuing her with a penalty charge notice, I will now give her free advice on how to claim the £95 back plus interest plus damages and to the Horwich Allstars I am retired I do this for fun I am a crusader against Rip off Britain, it costs me money to bring this appeal over £400 so far, it was to highlight the unlawful activities the Council have been getting away with and sheila, I hope you never receive a Penalty Charge Notice because I would like to see the Mardy look on your face, if you received a PCN tomorrow knowing what you know now that it cannot be enforced would you still pay the £30, I think not troublw with folk like sheila is they never put themselves in the other person shoes and take a step back and think, the engage their mouth before putting their brains into gear.

well done xipetotec pity more people are not showing this council up for what they realy stand for theft and corruption keep up the fight

I recieved a ticket in May for parking over the lines, simply because i couldnt get mt children out of the back of the car. i wasnt obdtructing any other spaces, one wheel was over the line by 6inch. Parent and child spaces are not provided so i had no otrher alternative, the ticket was given within 5 mins of me parking, im sure the parking attendant must have seen, maybe he could have offered some help, advise or even a warning. It is all just a money making scam, there is no warning given first, just simply a fine, i had to pay the fine but i am now going to contest it again, after hearing more stories of the same nature.

chasuzi wrote:

Ian wrote:

xipetotec46 wrote: Quote..."It is the council's view that each case is judged on its own facts and the council has been successful on a previous occasion when parking outside the bay was adjudicated upon." The adjudication was not about parking over the line It was about a missing word on a sign which made the sign unlawful therefore none compliant if the sign was unlawful then the contravention did not occur, anyone wanting to claim restitution and they need advice contact me on parkingcharges@ntlwo rld.com or use the other email address.

No but if YOU DO PARK OVER THE LINE and YOU ARE A DISABLED DRIVER and HAVE RECEIVED A TICKET. YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOU MONEY BACK.

Sorry Ian that is not the case. I, in a similar position had to pay the fine despite being disabled and not causing an obstruction(in fact the bay I infringed was taken by recycling recepticles) The Gent who is entitled to his money back was not infringing on another bay but legally parked in a bay that was blatantly too small to accomodate any car,

Sorry But it is the case.

IF you are disabled how can you possibly expected to read instructions (bay parking) on a TICKET MACHINE you are never going to use?

Its called discrimination.

I know a few disabled drivers who have made an appeal against the ticket on these grounds and have had the ticket revoked.

My SIL received a PCN last month for not having a valid P&D ticket, Informal representations were of course rejected by the Council so it is now at NTO stage I will appeal this PCN to NPAS on the basis that she was not informed anywhere within the car park either in the entrance or on a P&D machine that she would receive a PCN if she caused a contravention by not displaying a P&D ticket

xipetotec46 wrote:
My SIL received a PCN last month for not having a valid P&D ticket, Informal representations were of course rejected by the Council so it is now at NTO stage I will appeal this PCN to NPAS on the basis that she was not informed anywhere within the car park either in the entrance or on a P&D machine that she would receive a PCN if she caused a contravention by not displaying a P&D ticket

Appeal to the council at the NtO stage and you will get a Notice of rejection which will probably not conform to the mandatory requirements of the RTA.

Many Councils paint their bays incorrectly and not to statute, therefore the bays are too small for vehicles anyway. This is London has been likened to entrapment. The bay are unlawful and subsequently unenforceable.

I got a parking ticket on Sunday at 4:30pm on a loading bay outside a closed shop on Mawdsley street, i was there for 10 minutes and the warden must have been waiting in the car for me to get out to slap on the ticket; I for one, will NEVER shop at Bolton again, Trafford Centre is 10 minutes further and free parking with lovely shops; no wonder town was like a ghost town yesterday; Bolton Council never learn that they are driving the business away and in long term, reducing their income, what a shame.