Three people killed in motorway horror smash were going to Bolton wedding (From The Bolton News)

I married in Bolton on the 24th Dec and had traveled the same route from the south back to Bolton the day before, reading this is so sad and this must have been devastating and so heartbreaking. My thoughts are with the family and friends.

Very sad and tragic, it's bad enough when it happens but all the more upsetting on Christmas Day.

Tragic indeed, but the fact that it was Christmas Day would have been of little relevance to them, as they were Muslims. In fact, it would be of little relevance to anyone. I don't think the grief you would suffer at the loss of your children would be any less at any other time of year.

Terrible news! The area around the M6 near Stoke is an accident black spot. Feel for the families.....

Mustafa moan
SHUT IT !!!

it does not matter what the lady was wearing its a sad time for the families and a little respect please should go out to them.
it must be the most horrendous feeling losing a family so sudden when they were on their way to a celebration.
may l express my condolence to all.

mustafa-moan wrote:
I believe she was wearing a niqab when the accident occurred, if this is the case then they should be banned whilst driving! I think the media are once again omiting very relevant details to hide the full truth!

And you know this fact how exactly?

mustafa-moan wrote:
My point is that maybe if she wasn't wearing the niqab then nobody would have died! I'm debating whether or not the niqab is a practical garment to wear whilst driving? Any opinions anyone?

Please tell us how you know this fact before asking opinions.

mustafa-moan wrote:

Hough64 wrote:

mustafa-moan wrote:
I believe she was wearing a niqab when the accident occurred, if this is the case then they should be banned whilst driving! I think the media are once again omiting very relevant details to hide the full truth!

And you know this fact how exactly?

I said "I believe" in my earlier post, so not a fact, however I have read a couple of articles relating to this story and they would tend to imply she was.

So basically you read it in some trashy tabloid so it must be true? That makes you a sheep my dear.

mustafa-moan wrote:
My point is that maybe if she wasn't wearing the niqab then nobody would have died! I'm debating whether or not the niqab is a practical garment to wear whilst driving? Any opinions anyone?

So if her tyre blew, or she skidded on oil, or any other reason that cause other fatal crashes, are only happening because of wearing such a garment? So all the thousands of deaths on our roads are caused by wearing one? Silly man...go and get some facts before trying to spread heresay and gossip.

mustafa-moan wrote:
None of the above probable explanations could be helped hough if that is in fact how the accident did happen, however (not yet fact) if and I repeat "if" she was wearing the niqab and as long as there were no other anomalies as you stated, then the impaired vision caused by the niqab could be a contributory factor, do you agree or not? Oh and I don't read tabloids, the WWW is a font of endless knowledge providing one knows where to look!

So tell us where you read it or put a link on here please. And why would I get into a discussion about the garment impairing vision if it has no relevance to the story? Until it has been proven this is the case you should not be speculating. The lady has lost her two children. Show some respect.

Leave the racial arguments for another time. It doesn't matter what their ethnic background was because their families will mourn in exactly the same way. My condolences to all involved.

A mother has lost her two children, A whole family attended what must have been a very sad wedding.
Please try and have some sympathy before spouting blame, I think the Mother who was driving does not need any help in feeling guilty, she will feel that it his her fault no matter how it happened.
The BBC has better information http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-20853405

It is highly relevant to understand the cause of this crash. There appeared to be no other vehicle involved. If there is some material fact that drivers should take into account when behind the wheel then that should be made public as soon as possible in order to improve road safety.

Lets be clear that millions of otherwise innocent drivers are penalised each year through speed camera fines on the pretext (lie) of road safety improvement. An accident such as this, with three needless fatalities, needs to be thoroughly investigated and appropriate action taken depending upon the cause identified.

I love reading these comment threads on this website, because no matter what the story, it always decends into name calling and **** at each other.
But this time the **** is out of order.
Innocent lives have been lost, and any comments should reflect that fact.
If this woman was wearing a garment that impaired her driving then that will have to be investigated at a later date, and then post your comments about that fact on that stories thread.
It does not matter what ethnic minority or majority these people came from, we should remember that a family has lost three members in terrible circumstances.
Leave the **** for another thread.

mustafa-moan wrote:
None of the above probable explanations could be helped hough if that is in fact how the accident did happen, however (not yet fact) if and I repeat "if" she was wearing the niqab and as long as there were no other anomalies as you stated, then the impaired vision caused by the niqab could be a contributory factor, do you agree or not? Oh and I don't read tabloids, the WWW is a font of endless knowledge providing one knows where to look!

I agree, there is talk on the web that she was wearing a niqab at the time of the accident, they should be banned and to all those who are saying this is not the time or the place just be thankful none of your nearest and dearest where not involved..

God bless three stars that will shine so bright in so many hearts

mustafa-moan wrote:

davoovad wrote:

mustafa-moan wrote:
None of the above probable explanations could be helped hough if that is in fact how the accident did happen, however (not yet fact) if and I repeat "if" she was wearing the niqab and as long as there were no other anomalies as you stated, then the impaired vision caused by the niqab could be a contributory factor, do you agree or not? Oh and I don't read tabloids, the WWW is a font of endless knowledge providing one knows where to look!

I agree, there is talk on the web that she was wearing a niqab at the time of the accident, they should be banned and to all those who are saying this is not the time or the place just be thankful none of your nearest and dearest where not involved..

They certainly should be banned in many places, but behind the wheel of a 1 tonne 70 mph bullet it is an absolute necessity!

Much the same as bike helmets then ??????????
Maybe F1 should ban the helmet???
Get a life

Mustafa, have you got nothing better to do than bring your racist crap in here you ****, its about time you got a good kicking you arsehole.

pjgarside wrote:
God bless three stars that will shine so bright in so many hearts

Seeing their photographs in the newspaper was heartbreaking. Condolences to the families.

pjgarside wrote:
God bless three stars that will shine so bright in so many hearts

Yeh, like your god never killed anybody. Idiot.

Irrelevant if she was wearing a hijab... Motorcyclists wear helmets...

WanderersIdiot wrote:
Irrelevant if she was wearing a hijab... Motorcyclists wear helmets...

thank you for re-iterating a comment made just a few lines up the page. Your incisive plagarism has made an immeasurable contribution to the discussion. Well done.

JustBecause wrote:
Mustafa, have you got nothing better to do than bring your racist crap in here you ****, its about time you got a good kicking you arsehole.

Shouldn't you be out on the streets with the other no-mark, pathetic thugs who think they can solve a problem with their fists? I can imagine the type of parents that dragged you up. What a pathetic waste of blood and guts.

mustafa moron

If I throw a stick, will you leave?

davoovad wrote:

mustafa-moan wrote:
None of the above probable explanations could be helped hough if that is in fact how the accident did happen, however (not yet fact) if and I repeat "if" she was wearing the niqab and as long as there were no other anomalies as you stated, then the impaired vision caused by the niqab could be a contributory factor, do you agree or not? Oh and I don't read tabloids, the WWW is a font of endless knowledge providing one knows where to look!

I agree, there is talk on the web that she was wearing a niqab at the time of the accident, they should be banned and to all those who are saying this is not the time or the place just be thankful none of your nearest and dearest where not involved..

I agree, there is talk on the web that she was wearing a niqab

Really, talk on the web?

Is it BBC, Reuters, Sky News or is it that both you davoovad and mustafa-moan are making up inane drivel?

I am waiting for a link from any credible news source.

Nice to see both you trolls have used the death of children so you can sprout your putrid agenda.

Why is it davoovad and mustafa-moan that the majority of your comments are to do with people of ethnic background?

Zain-Bolton wrote:
Why is it davoovad and mustafa-moan that the majority of your comments are to do with people of ethnic background?

Well, shall we start with The Nile takeaway?

Don Kiddick wrote:

Zain-Bolton wrote:
Why is it davoovad and mustafa-moan that the majority of your comments are to do with people of ethnic background?

Well, shall we start with The Nile takeaway?

What exactly does a take away have to do with the tragic death of a woman and these two little boys?

Oh right, you are generalising all people of ethnicity.

Now you are really showing your level of simplicity.

I think you would be more suited on the BNP forum. You know the one the Black National Party.

mustafa moron
you are one low life

saj70n wrote:
mustafa moron
you are one low life

not killed anyone though has he.

Don Kiddick wrote:

saj70n wrote:
mustafa moron
you are one low life

not killed anyone though has he.

No he hasn’t killed anybody.

What he has done is accuse a mother of killing her children by wearing a piece of clothing, and therefore insinuate she is directly responsible for what happened. These are totally baseless accusations. We are all entitled to free speech, but these are not comments these are accusations. What he has done is vile and revolting and you are a parasite for defending his actions.

Zain-Bolton wrote:

Don Kiddick wrote:

saj70n wrote:
mustafa moron
you are one low life

not killed anyone though has he.

No he hasn’t killed anybody.

What he has done is accuse a mother of killing her children by wearing a piece of clothing, and therefore insinuate she is directly responsible for what happened. These are totally baseless accusations. We are all entitled to free speech, but these are not comments these are accusations. What he has done is vile and revolting and you are a parasite for defending his actions.

Well actually a parasite takes from its host rather than adds to it - English not a strong point? Whatever, Mustafa-Moan made a perfectly reasonable point and your dismissal of it shows you to be the racist, not him. Anything that impairs vision increases risk including motorcycle helmets - however a helmet is a necessary item of safety equipement unlike a niqab which serves no useful purpose whatsoever.

Don Kiddick wrote:

Zain-Bolton wrote:

Don Kiddick wrote:

saj70n wrote:
mustafa moron
you are one low life

not killed anyone though has he.

No he hasn’t killed anybody.

What he has done is accuse a mother of killing her children by wearing a piece of clothing, and therefore insinuate she is directly responsible for what happened. These are totally baseless accusations. We are all entitled to free speech, but these are not comments these are accusations. What he has done is vile and revolting and you are a parasite for defending his actions.

Well actually a parasite takes from its host rather than adds to it - English not a strong point? Whatever, Mustafa-Moan made a perfectly reasonable point and your dismissal of it shows you to be the racist, not him. Anything that impairs vision increases risk including motorcycle helmets - however a helmet is a necessary item of safety equipement unlike a niqab which serves no useful purpose whatsoever.

You are fuelling this posts because of what he wrote.

That is Parasitism.

Mustafa-Moan made a perfectly reasonable point.

Really?

I believe she was wearing a niqab.

That’s not a point it is an accusation.
Mustafa-Moan made a perfectly reasonable point and your dismissal of it shows you to be the racist

Really?

He makes an unfounded accusation I asked him to prove it. He does not, so I totally disregard what he says and dismiss it as fodder.

And this makes me a racist?

Common sense not your strong point is it?

In an earlier post I asked the question.

Why is it davoovad and mustafa-moan that the majority of your comments are to do with people of ethnic background?

And you replied.

Well, shall we start with The Nile takeaway?”

Please enlighten us all as to the relationship between the accident and the take away.

you really do not have a clue do you? a parasite latches on to a healthy host and gradually erodes it until it dies, much like scroungers leaching from a benefit system. So you're actually agreeing with Mustafa-Moan. Next we move to the term "fodder" which means only one thing and that's food - which is what we all rely on to sustain our lives, so again you're adding weight to the the opposing argument. Finally "I believe she was wearing a niqab" isn't the accusative case - but you've chosen to distort the phrase because you're a pathetic and arrogant racist.

RIP Little ones.Question,why does a horse wear blinders???

typical of modern attitudes that you're classed as racist for having opinions on such things as headwear.
i simulated the niqab or whatever its called, just out of curiosity. and i can say it does severely restrict vision.
also a motorcycle helmet has approximately 10-15 times more free area.
ps i am not racist. not that i care what you think.

Don Kiddick wrote:
you really do not have a clue do you? a parasite latches on to a healthy host and gradually erodes it until it dies, much like scroungers leaching from a benefit system. So you're actually agreeing with Mustafa-Moan. Next we move to the term "fodder" which means only one thing and that's food - which is what we all rely on to sustain our lives, so again you're adding weight to the the opposing argument. Finally "I believe she was wearing a niqab" isn't the accusative case - but you've chosen to distort the phrase because you're a pathetic and arrogant racist.

“A parasite latches on to a healthy host and gradually erodes it until it dies.”

Really?

Not all parasites kill the hosts they are attached to. A parasite by definition is something that feeds off a person (or a so-called 'host'). You can look it up here http://www.urbandict
ionary.com/define.ph
p?term=parasite. As I stated earlier you are fuelling these posts because of what Mustafa-Moan wrote. That is Parasitism.

“Much like scroungers leaching from a benefit system.”

Ok I don’t know how scroungers and benefits came in the post, but I guess that is your modus operandi.

“So you're actually agreeing with Mustafa-Moan.”

Agreeing about what? In fact what are you drivelling on about?

“Next we move to the term "fodder" which means only one thing and that's food - which is what we all rely on to sustain our lives, so again you're adding weight to the the opposing argument.”

Really?

Are you actually stating that we all eat fodder?

Speak for yourself.

Fodder or animal feed is any agricultural foodstuff used specifically to feed domesticated livestock, such as cattle, goats, sheep, horses, chickens and pigs (source Wikipedia)

If you are eating this stuff that really explains a lot.

"I believe she was wearing a niqab isn't the accusative case - but you've chosen to distort the phrase."

Ok let’s try and go with this point, but please be aware I am doing this to accommodate you in regards to your non accusative point of view. So if I said to you these non-accusative words. I believe you are a cretin, I believe you are a moronic, I believe you are an imbecile, I believe you are a racist who hides behind the façade of debate but actually hate people of ethnic minority. I believe my sofa has more seats than the BNP. I believe you are a person who eats cattle food.

Are these “accusative case” comments I have mentioned above?

Well according to your logic no.

What you need to do is put what mustafa moan wrote in to context.

A family travelling along the motorway, an accident happens, 2 young children and a woman die in the accident. The mother of the 2 children was the driver of the car, as of yet the public do not know the cause of the accident. Mustafa moan who constantly post comments when ethnic minorities are involved writes “I believe she was wearing a niqab when the accident occurred.” He writes this without providing not a shred of evidence from any credible news source, despite being asked time and time again to provide it.

What mustafa moan has done is accused the mother of causing an accident because wearing a piece of clothing (niquab), and therefore insinuate she is directly responsible for what happened. The death of 2 beautiful little boys and their auntie.

According to you because I have stated this I am a pathetic racist.

Have I ever mentioned or have any knowledge of your or anybody else’s skin colour or religion?

No.

Do I know of your or mustafa moan’s ethnicity?

No.

So how you came to this conclusion I do not know.

I think the horse feed you are eating might have distorted what little thought process you originally had.

I truly and sincerely worry about you and your unusual desire for eating cattle food. I suggest you see medical advice for your condition.

Don Kiddick wrote:

Zain-Bolton wrote:
Why is it davoovad and mustafa-moan that the majority of your comments are to do with people of ethnic background?

Well, shall we start with The Nile takeaway?

In an earlier post I asked the question.


What exactly does a take away have to do with the tragic death of a woman and these two little boys?


You choose to ignore this question.


Yet keep posting comments that I am a racist.

I can assure you it is a sincerely innocent question.


Please enlighten us all as to the relationship between the accident and the take away.

What is the point in arguing...3 ppl have died...show some respect

My heart goes out to the parents.

But bank holidays are notorious for fatal travel accidents,

Why are the BEN covering this story

My heart goes out to the parents.

But bank holidays are notorious for fatal travel accidents,

Why are the BEN covering this story