Experts give blueprint for a ‘healthier future’

HEALTH chiefs, councillors, union representatives and members of the public came together to discuss plans for a redesign of healthcare in Bolton.

The Healthier Together review, which has caused controversy in Bolton and led to concerns about current services being downgraded, is an ongoing plan that will affect healthcare across Greater Manchester.

The organisation has said the current district general hospitals system is outdated and bosses are working with the region’s 12 Clinical Commissioning Groups to create a new model.

They want a system that focuses on specialist units and has a greater emphasis on community care.

A public consultation has now been launched.

Last night’s packed meeting, in the Bolton Albert Halls, was an opportunity for the Healthier Together team to explain the reasons behind the proposals and answer any concerns.

But despite presentations from those behind Healthier Together, including Dr Wirin Bhatiani, chairman of Bolton’s Clinical Commissioning Group (CCG), and Dr Anne Talbot, a Bolton GP and associate medical director for NHS Greater Manchester which is leading the review, there were calls for a second follow-up meeting. Dr Bhatiani said Healthier Together aimed to have a clinically-led redesign that would lead to better prevention, earlier GP intervention, and better support in the community.

Harry Hanley, secretary of Staff Side, which represents employees at the Royal Bolton Hospital, raised concerns about community care, and Dr Bhatiani said the review would mean more money spent in the community.

Dr Bhatiani added: “Healthier Together and local issues are not linked. Even if Royal Bolton Hospital was fine, we would still need to have this discussion about Healthier Together. The change is for the better and the fact that doctors are involved is critical.”

But concerns were raised about Greater Manchester’s transport system with one member of the public asking if Bolton could have a helicopter system to transport the sick to specialist centres. Dr Talbot said ambulances are “like mini-hospitals” adding that a person’s chance of survival is better if they travel to a specialist centre, even if it means passing other hospitals on the way.

She added: “Fabrice Muamba went past four London hospitals to get to the hospital that was going to treat him and that is why he is here today.”

l A consultation on the Healthier Together plans is due to start in spring. Organisers are hoping to hold a second meeting in Bolton in late March.

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9:43am Fri 25 Jan 13

tony000 says...

that was fabirice mumba if it would have been mr joe public he would have been lucky to get to eny hospital .
that was fabirice mumba if it would have been mr joe public he would have been lucky to get to eny hospital . tony000

9:55am Fri 25 Jan 13

rostron says...

Thameside hospital is now to lose their A&E, & shipped to Manchester hospitals.
If Bolton lose their A&E, & we are shipped to Manchester, how is Manchester supposed to cope with it all?
Lives will be lost if Bolton closes, as for Fabirice, he would have had Docotors etc in the ambulance, us poor minions, will have to rely on paramedics.God help us all, we are going to need it.
Thameside hospital is now to lose their A&E, & shipped to Manchester hospitals. If Bolton lose their A&E, & we are shipped to Manchester, how is Manchester supposed to cope with it all? Lives will be lost if Bolton closes, as for Fabirice, he would have had Docotors etc in the ambulance, us poor minions, will have to rely on paramedics.God help us all, we are going to need it. rostron

11:12am Fri 25 Jan 13

Beyond News Forum says...

*facepalm* OMFG!

Let's have a show of hands on who is up for a 'class action' let's all not pay our taxes to the Liebore council!

They can't throw us all in the overcrowded jails.
*facepalm* OMFG! Let's have a show of hands on who is up for a 'class action' let's all not pay our taxes to the Liebore council! They can't throw us all in the overcrowded jails. Beyond News Forum

11:13am Fri 25 Jan 13

Beyond News Forum says...

rostron wrote:
Thameside hospital is now to lose their A&E, & shipped to Manchester hospitals.
If Bolton lose their A&E, & we are shipped to Manchester, how is Manchester supposed to cope with it all?
Lives will be lost if Bolton closes, as for Fabirice, he would have had Docotors etc in the ambulance, us poor minions, will have to rely on paramedics.God help us all, we are going to need it.
Well he had that lovely guy who came onto the pitch. he was a doctor. I fear Fab would have kicked the ball clean out of the park if that guy was not there on hand.
[quote][p][bold]rostron[/bold] wrote: Thameside hospital is now to lose their A&E, & shipped to Manchester hospitals. If Bolton lose their A&E, & we are shipped to Manchester, how is Manchester supposed to cope with it all? Lives will be lost if Bolton closes, as for Fabirice, he would have had Docotors etc in the ambulance, us poor minions, will have to rely on paramedics.God help us all, we are going to need it.[/p][/quote]Well he had that lovely guy who came onto the pitch. he was a doctor. I fear Fab would have kicked the ball clean out of the park if that guy was not there on hand. Beyond News Forum

11:17am Fri 25 Jan 13

Beyond News Forum says...

Quote - Dr Bhatiani added: “Healthier Together and local issues are not linked. Even if Royal Bolton Hospital was fine, we would still need to have this discussion about Healthier Together. The change is for the better and the fact that doctors are involved is critical.”

Unquote -

Need??? Healthier Together??? Now who's pocket has been pinched to fund that one, and who is the man receiving all the cash in wages?

Bureaucracy at its finest!

We have the population of a small city in Bolton, so we need the facilities of a small city. Not keep having to accept that Manchester is the viable choice of every blinking thing that financial departments and independent bodies can throw at it.

FFS kill me now!
Quote - Dr Bhatiani added: “Healthier Together and local issues are not linked. Even if Royal Bolton Hospital was fine, we would still need to have this discussion about Healthier Together. The change is for the better and the fact that doctors are involved is critical.” Unquote - Need??? Healthier Together??? Now who's pocket has been pinched to fund that one, and who is the man receiving all the cash in wages? Bureaucracy at its finest! We have the population of a small city in Bolton, so we need the facilities of a small city. Not keep having to accept that Manchester is the viable choice of every blinking thing that financial departments and independent bodies can throw at it. FFS kill me now! Beyond News Forum

12:17pm Fri 25 Jan 13

boltonnut says...

Fabrice hospitaly went past four
Fabrice hospitaly went past four boltonnut

12:37pm Fri 25 Jan 13

boltonnut says...

Experts,how many times have we heard this word?In reality it"s the blind leading the blind,they have no idea what they'er doing.Down size,up size,reorganize,lay offs,under staffed,over staffed closing down.Every day brings new statements from the EXPERTS.As for Muamba,he reminds me of some one in the bible who also rose from the dead and became a figure to be adored for ever and ever amen.Don't get me wrong i'm glad he survived but wouldn't it be great if we could all receive the same treatment.
Experts,how many times have we heard this word?In reality it"s the blind leading the blind,they have no idea what they'er doing.Down size,up size,reorganize,lay offs,under staffed,over staffed closing down.Every day brings new statements from the EXPERTS.As for Muamba,he reminds me of some one in the bible who also rose from the dead and became a figure to be adored for ever and ever amen.Don't get me wrong i'm glad he survived but wouldn't it be great if we could all receive the same treatment. boltonnut

12:38pm Fri 25 Jan 13

boltonnut says...

Experts,how many times have we heard this word?In reality it"s the blind leading the blind,they have no idea what they'er doing.Down size,up size,reorganize,lay offs,under staffed,over staffed closing down.Every day brings new statements from the EXPERTS.As for Muamba,he reminds me of some one in the bible who also rose from the dead and became a figure to be adored for ever and ever amen.Don't get me wrong i'm glad he survived but wouldn't it be great if we could all receive the same treatment.
Experts,how many times have we heard this word?In reality it"s the blind leading the blind,they have no idea what they'er doing.Down size,up size,reorganize,lay offs,under staffed,over staffed closing down.Every day brings new statements from the EXPERTS.As for Muamba,he reminds me of some one in the bible who also rose from the dead and became a figure to be adored for ever and ever amen.Don't get me wrong i'm glad he survived but wouldn't it be great if we could all receive the same treatment. boltonnut

12:40pm Fri 25 Jan 13

boltonnut says...

Oops babbling again.
Oops babbling again. boltonnut

12:47pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Puffin-Billy says...

The whole thing stinks rotten.

Have a look on these websites to see what kind of morally bankrupt people are pushing through these so-called reforms.

Has anyone asked Cllr Andy Morgan whether he is happy that his own party has these links to big business?



http://socialinvesti
gations.blogspot.co.
uk/

And:

http://socialinvesti
gations.blogspot.co.
uk/p/lords-financial
-links-to-companies.
html

And: Revealed: Head of Monitor Has Ties with Private Healthcare Lobby Group Who See Tax, Pensions and NHS Brand as Barrier in 'Fair Playing Field' Review.
The whole thing stinks rotten. Have a look on these websites to see what kind of morally bankrupt people are pushing through these so-called reforms. Has anyone asked Cllr Andy Morgan whether he is happy that his own party has these links to big business? http://socialinvesti gations.blogspot.co. uk/ And: http://socialinvesti gations.blogspot.co. uk/p/lords-financial -links-to-companies. html And: Revealed: Head of Monitor Has Ties with Private Healthcare Lobby Group Who See Tax, Pensions and NHS Brand as Barrier in 'Fair Playing Field' Review. Puffin-Billy

12:52pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Puffin-Billy says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Quote - Dr Bhatiani added: “Healthier Together and local issues are not linked. Even if Royal Bolton Hospital was fine, we would still need to have this discussion about Healthier Together. The change is for the better and the fact that doctors are involved is critical.”

Unquote -

Need??? Healthier Together??? Now who's pocket has been pinched to fund that one, and who is the man receiving all the cash in wages?

Bureaucracy at its finest!

We have the population of a small city in Bolton, so we need the facilities of a small city. Not keep having to accept that Manchester is the viable choice of every blinking thing that financial departments and independent bodies can throw at it.

FFS kill me now!
What plans? What blueprint?

If they had any guts they would print exactly what they intend to do in the BN.
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Quote - Dr Bhatiani added: “Healthier Together and local issues are not linked. Even if Royal Bolton Hospital was fine, we would still need to have this discussion about Healthier Together. The change is for the better and the fact that doctors are involved is critical.” Unquote - Need??? Healthier Together??? Now who's pocket has been pinched to fund that one, and who is the man receiving all the cash in wages? Bureaucracy at its finest! We have the population of a small city in Bolton, so we need the facilities of a small city. Not keep having to accept that Manchester is the viable choice of every blinking thing that financial departments and independent bodies can throw at it. FFS kill me now![/p][/quote]What plans? What blueprint? If they had any guts they would print exactly what they intend to do in the BN. Puffin-Billy

1:20pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Puffin-Billy says...

rostron wrote:
Thameside hospital is now to lose their A&E, & shipped to Manchester hospitals.
If Bolton lose their A&E, & we are shipped to Manchester, how is Manchester supposed to cope with it all?
Lives will be lost if Bolton closes, as for Fabirice, he would have had Docotors etc in the ambulance, us poor minions, will have to rely on paramedics.God help us all, we are going to need it.
If anybody cares anything about our NHS they might like to investigate the links between

Sir Stephen Bubb, David Worskett, and David Bennett’, the chair of Monitor, the industry regulator, and Cllr Andy Morgan's Party.


At:
http://socialinvesti
gations.blogspot.co.
uk/2012/07/key-membe
r-of-nhs-future-foru
m-colluded.html
[quote][p][bold]rostron[/bold] wrote: Thameside hospital is now to lose their A&E, & shipped to Manchester hospitals. If Bolton lose their A&E, & we are shipped to Manchester, how is Manchester supposed to cope with it all? Lives will be lost if Bolton closes, as for Fabirice, he would have had Docotors etc in the ambulance, us poor minions, will have to rely on paramedics.God help us all, we are going to need it.[/p][/quote]If anybody cares anything about our NHS they might like to investigate the links between Sir Stephen Bubb, David Worskett, and David Bennett’, the chair of Monitor, the industry regulator, and Cllr Andy Morgan's Party. At: http://socialinvesti gations.blogspot.co. uk/2012/07/key-membe r-of-nhs-future-foru m-colluded.html Puffin-Billy

3:32pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Puffin-Billy says...

rostron wrote:
Thameside hospital is now to lose their A&E, & shipped to Manchester hospitals.
If Bolton lose their A&E, & we are shipped to Manchester, how is Manchester supposed to cope with it all?
Lives will be lost if Bolton closes, as for Fabirice, he would have had Docotors etc in the ambulance, us poor minions, will have to rely on paramedics.God help us all, we are going to need it.
Wake up and smell the coffee !

Trafford casualty will now be called an urgent care centre, and open between 8am and midnight.

Emergency surgery will also be axed and the intensive care and paediatric observation and assessment units will close.

Tory-controlled Trafford council have passed a motion calling on Jeremy Hunt to intervene.

Hypocrites !
[quote][p][bold]rostron[/bold] wrote: Thameside hospital is now to lose their A&E, & shipped to Manchester hospitals. If Bolton lose their A&E, & we are shipped to Manchester, how is Manchester supposed to cope with it all? Lives will be lost if Bolton closes, as for Fabirice, he would have had Docotors etc in the ambulance, us poor minions, will have to rely on paramedics.God help us all, we are going to need it.[/p][/quote]Wake up and smell the coffee ! Trafford casualty will now be called an urgent care centre, and open between 8am and midnight. Emergency surgery will also be axed and the intensive care and paediatric observation and assessment units will close. Tory-controlled Trafford council have passed a motion calling on Jeremy Hunt to intervene. Hypocrites ! Puffin-Billy

5:29pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Beyond News Forum says...

Puffin-Billy wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Quote - Dr Bhatiani added: “Healthier Together and local issues are not linked. Even if Royal Bolton Hospital was fine, we would still need to have this discussion about Healthier Together. The change is for the better and the fact that doctors are involved is critical.”

Unquote -

Need??? Healthier Together??? Now who's pocket has been pinched to fund that one, and who is the man receiving all the cash in wages?

Bureaucracy at its finest!

We have the population of a small city in Bolton, so we need the facilities of a small city. Not keep having to accept that Manchester is the viable choice of every blinking thing that financial departments and independent bodies can throw at it.

FFS kill me now!
What plans? What blueprint?

If they had any guts they would print exactly what they intend to do in the BN.
Good shot! That was a peach... Nearly took the net out on the way in!
[quote][p][bold]Puffin-Billy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Quote - Dr Bhatiani added: “Healthier Together and local issues are not linked. Even if Royal Bolton Hospital was fine, we would still need to have this discussion about Healthier Together. The change is for the better and the fact that doctors are involved is critical.” Unquote - Need??? Healthier Together??? Now who's pocket has been pinched to fund that one, and who is the man receiving all the cash in wages? Bureaucracy at its finest! We have the population of a small city in Bolton, so we need the facilities of a small city. Not keep having to accept that Manchester is the viable choice of every blinking thing that financial departments and independent bodies can throw at it. FFS kill me now![/p][/quote]What plans? What blueprint? If they had any guts they would print exactly what they intend to do in the BN.[/p][/quote]Good shot! That was a peach... Nearly took the net out on the way in! Beyond News Forum

7:18pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Boltonmc says...

How much did that PR exercise cost.The "Experts" failed to convince anyone last night, the people of Bolton are not going to let the greedy profiteers get their hands on our NHS without a fight.Join the SAVE THE BOLTON A&E CAMPAIGN and protect the founding principles of the NHS.
How much did that PR exercise cost.The "Experts" failed to convince anyone last night, the people of Bolton are not going to let the greedy profiteers get their hands on our NHS without a fight.Join the SAVE THE BOLTON A&E CAMPAIGN and protect the founding principles of the NHS. Boltonmc

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