Changes to bin collections cost millions, say Lib Dems
10:04am Saturday 16th February 2013 in News
BOLTON’S Liberal Democrat group has criticised Town Hall bosses for wasting money by changing the bin collection system.
Cllr Roger Hayes’ comments came as Bolton Council’s executive cabinet approved plans to change the weekly collection system to a fortnightly one.
Leader of the Lib Dems in Bolton, Cllr Hayes, who introduced the alternate bin collection system in 2005, said when the Labour group re-introduced weekly collections in 2006, it cost the borough millions.
He said that, since 2006, the refuse collection system has cost about £14 million more than it would have done if Labour had not made the change. Cllr Hayes also claimed Bolton has moved from being one of the best boroughs for recycling in Greater Manchester to the worst because of the change.
He added: “Labour is finally admitting the system of refuse collection introduced by the Liberal Democrats in 2005 is the only way of increasing the town’s recycling.
“It has already been proved that this system works. Just think what all those millions could have done for other services like roads. Instead Labour has poured it down the drain.”
On February 20, councillors will vote on whether to implement the new system.
Under the new system residents would receive a food waste container that will be collected weekly. Grey bins, for household waste, and recycling bins would be collected on alternate weeks.
Council bosses say the fortnightly service will save £2.6 million per year and increase recycling.
Bolton Council must save £43.6 million over the next two years because of government budget cuts.
Bolton and Salford are the only authorities in Greater Manchester which do not have either fortnightly collections or reduced sized grey bins, and Bolton is also bottom of the recycling league table in the county, having slipped from second place in 2006/07.
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JOHN HIGHAM
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11:14am Sat 16 Feb 13
boltonnut
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11:18am Sat 16 Feb 13
Rocket_Scientist
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12:05pm Sat 16 Feb 13
SmoggyDiasboro
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1:55pm Sat 16 Feb 13
irwell1
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2:58pm Sat 16 Feb 13
JOHN HIGHAM wrote:They expect you to put food in there and it will be collected EVERY TWO WEEKS. The duplicitous Labour Council are trying to keep this quiet. The Tories and Lib-Dims are just as bad, but never trust the Labour lot.
I`m in shock reading that those green bins are MEANT to be for food waste ?????? I always was thinking those green bins was just the same size has emptyhead Morris`s wallet and like him no use at all.............
Meg1970
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5:28pm Sat 16 Feb 13
yonmons
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9:56am Sun 17 Feb 13
Bert_Anchovy
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11:16am Sun 17 Feb 13
SmoggyDiasboro
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3:48pm Sun 17 Feb 13
'Again I ask EXPLAIN exactly how a two week collection system saves money'
Ans. Because the additional cost isn't in collection - it's in disposal. The more Bolton residents throw in the Grey Bin, the more goes to landfill. The more goes to landfill, the more Boltoin is charged / fined.
To the other points: 1) Failed to be accepted in 2005. Agreed - following a concerted attack by the (then) Labour Opposition who were elected on a 'return to weekly bins' mandate. The LD point is that they, for short term electoral gain, decided to attack a policy which they now want to introduce (the polite word is 'incoherent' / 'inconsistent' - to the rest of us, it is hypocritical and has 'cost' an unnecessary £14m over the past 8 years.
2) Re service delivery. Can only agree. NOONE should have to wait more than 2 weeks for their food waste to be collected. If 'missed' then why not an evening shift - the 'operatives' won't have been working all day, the vehicles will have finished their rounds. I'm not arguing their Service Delivery methodology is perfect but they are adding to the LD base system by creeating a food collection service
3) Re India and China. Fully agree, but surely any pressure can only be built by 'good behaviour' elsewhere. The 'well they're breaking the law, why can't I' argument really doesn't hold water. If we're going to criticise, then we have to at least hold the moral highground. BUT, if that really doesn't sway you, then stick with the ostrich movement and continue to pay excess council tax. If you want to 'waste' it on 'waste' then don't ask for money for other things. If you're perfectly happy with the Labour Administration - fine. If not, then accept that you (as well as they) have to change.
irwell1
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7:54pm Sun 17 Feb 13
SmoggyDiasboro says...
3:48pm Sun 17 Feb 13
YONMONS - answering your question:
'Again I ask EXPLAIN exactly how a two week collection system saves money'
Ans. Because the additional cost isn't in collection - it's in disposal. The more Bolton residents throw in the Grey Bin, the more goes to landfill. The more goes to landfill, the more Boltoin is charged / fined.
Very poor answer Smoggy, we all know that you pay more if you put more in landfill, but the question was 'how does having a fortnightly collection stop more going in the grey bin?'
People will tell you they are already re-cycling everything they can.
oldjourno
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11:45pm Sun 17 Feb 13
hoboh2o
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1:58am Mon 18 Feb 13
oldjourno wrote:You mean like kind of get things ready so next year our Romanian and Bulgerian imports will feel at home in Morris land?
Next step: no bins, no collections. We all take our rubbish to skips strategically placed in the borough. Large scale redundancies, claims of rat infestations but maybe a cut in our council tax bills. Folk don't seem to grumble in other European countries where this system works.
irwell1
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8:32am Mon 18 Feb 13
oldjourno wrote:And folk don't grumble in Bolton because we have a system that currently works, a system we pay for, and system that the Labour liars said they would NEVER change.
Next step: no bins, no collections. We all take our rubbish to skips strategically placed in the borough. Large scale redundancies, claims of rat infestations but maybe a cut in our council tax bills. Folk don't seem to grumble in other European countries where this system works.
BWFC71
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10:18am Mon 18 Feb 13
hoboh2o wrote:I would have taken you half seriously but you cannot even spell Bulgarian properly!
oldjourno wrote:You mean like kind of get things ready so next year our Romanian and Bulgerian imports will feel at home in Morris land?
Next step: no bins, no collections. We all take our rubbish to skips strategically placed in the borough. Large scale redundancies, claims of rat infestations but maybe a cut in our council tax bills. Folk don't seem to grumble in other European countries where this system works.
Did you know that there are already quite a few Bulgarians and Romanians already here, working, paying taxes, paying ionto the NHS??? If not, then I would advise you to take a cup of coffee and look around you!
Also there will not be a big influx, as people predict, due to the lack of historical links between the countries. Englisn, ion those countries is taught as a fourth language behind their own, German and Russian!!! The majority are expected to head to wards the Germanic countries because of the closeness and histortic links - even during the many wars they sided with the Germanic powers rather than the Western Allies or the Soviet army.
Oh yeah and don't count on Farage and the UKKIP party as they have got used to creaming the gravy boat in Euorpe and won't leave and won't change anything!!!
hoboh2o
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1:44pm Mon 18 Feb 13
BWFC71 wrote:Oh sorry Mr Spell check policeman seeing it was late after a gruelling day/night at work I posted this. I suggest you check some of your own posts!
hoboh2o wrote:I would have taken you half seriously but you cannot even spell Bulgarian properly!
oldjourno wrote:You mean like kind of get things ready so next year our Romanian and Bulgerian imports will feel at home in Morris land?
Next step: no bins, no collections. We all take our rubbish to skips strategically placed in the borough. Large scale redundancies, claims of rat infestations but maybe a cut in our council tax bills. Folk don't seem to grumble in other European countries where this system works.
Did you know that there are already quite a few Bulgarians and Romanians already here, working, paying taxes, paying ionto the NHS??? If not, then I would advise you to take a cup of coffee and look around you!
Also there will not be a big influx, as people predict, due to the lack of historical links between the countries. Englisn, ion those countries is taught as a fourth language behind their own, German and Russian!!! The majority are expected to head to wards the Germanic countries because of the closeness and histortic links - even during the many wars they sided with the Germanic powers rather than the Western Allies or the Soviet army.
Oh yeah and don't count on Farage and the UKKIP party as they have got used to creaming the gravy boat in Euorpe and won't leave and won't change anything!!!
Anyway your dead wrong, the ease of claiming benefit in the UK is the main attraction to the low end non-skilled of these countries. You want to try drinking decent coffee not the instant stuff, nine times the amount of Poles expected arrived most of them good old fodder for Morris and the Labour mob.
Jesusislord
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5:17pm Tue 19 Feb 13
Meg1970 wrote:Exactly!! If only there was some kind of 'voting' system where we could all have a say in who runs the council.....
Let the bolton people decide what they want! We pay our council tax!!!!!
Wigan Trotter
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4:32pm Wed 20 Feb 13
hoboh2o
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7:50pm Wed 20 Feb 13
Wigan Trotter wrote:I complety fail to see what any of this has to do with a pie eater?
It would be interesting to know how many of those doing the most moaning about the Council plans for bin collections have actually filled in a voting registration form to vote?
Wigan Trotter
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7:39am Thu 21 Feb 13
Sorry, but I was born in Bolton and where they eat as many pies as in Wigan.
BWFC71
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9:54am Thu 21 Feb 13
Wigan Trotter wrote:Do you vote in your ,local elections, Wigan Trotter?
It would be interesting to know how many of those doing the most moaning about the Council plans for bin collections have actually filled in a voting registration form to vote?
I know I do, but that does not entitle me to have a sole francise in expressing in what I feel is what is happening - that is open to EVERYONE as we live in a society that express freedom to express, whether one has voted or not!
judyben
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5:14pm Thu 21 Feb 13
judyben
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5:17pm Thu 21 Feb 13
Wigan Trotter
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7:04pm Thu 21 Feb 13
Yes!
boydell
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10:00pm Thu 21 Feb 13
Each time they are emptied the code is scanned at the side of the lorry and the people get a bill every three months.(5 euros per empty)
It soon put a stop to people putting out bins with just a bit in the bottom. In the long run it saved time and money. There is no council tax in Southern Ireland but different types of stealth taxes are implemented like this one. Perhaps if the council brought in a tax like this and lowered the council tax it would mean that the more rubbish you got rid of the more you had to pay. of course the people on benefits or old people would be exempt from paying.
hoboh2o
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6:56am Sat 23 Feb 13
boydell wrote:Sounds a wizzard idea, then we can all shuffty round to our world food corner shop, pick up a stick on barcode for 50p that would register a bin lift to someone elses account ;-)
In Southern Ireland There are bar codes on the bins.
Each time they are emptied the code is scanned at the side of the lorry and the people get a bill every three months.(5 euros per empty)
It soon put a stop to people putting out bins with just a bit in the bottom. In the long run it saved time and money. There is no council tax in Southern Ireland but different types of stealth taxes are implemented like this one. Perhaps if the council brought in a tax like this and lowered the council tax it would mean that the more rubbish you got rid of the more you had to pay. of course the people on benefits or old people would be exempt from paying.
boydell
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8:14pm Sun 24 Feb 13
The bar codes are registered with the council so each household has its own individual code. The Irish are smarter then you give them credit for.
irwell1 says...
10:41am Sat 16 Feb 13