Pictured: How Bolton's new cinema in the Market Place could look

The Bolton News: A computer-generated image of how the new multiplex cinema will look at Market Place A computer-generated image of how the new multiplex cinema will look at Market Place

THIS is the first picture of the proposed new nine-screen cinema — which will be built in Bolton’s Market Place shopping centre.

Detailed plans for the multiplex have now been submitted by new owners Moorgarth, which wants to demolish part of the car park to make way for the 1,200-seat complex.

The nine screens will range in size from 270 seats to 80.

Movie-goers will enter the cinema — covering a total area of 2,600 square metres — by a central escalator and new lifts at the heart of the structure.

The cinema has been planned within the current car park but more parking spaces will be built above the multiplex.

From the central foyer, which will run along the south edge of the existing building, there will be views over the roof of the old Market Hall — built in 1855 — to Bolton Town Hall.

Inside the foyer — which will also be accessible to non-ticket holders — there will be ticket booths, pick-up points for customers buying tickets online, food, drink and toilets, as well as a licensed bar and terrace.

According to the plans, there will be “generous space between rows” along with digital projection and surround sound.

The plans are now open to public consultation until December 20 and will to go in front of a planning committee in the New Year.

In the application — submitted in the name of Inception Holdings SARL, care of Moorgarth — London-based agents Wren Architecture and Design says the addition of the cinema will have “very little impact” on the existing volume of the shopping centre and will have no negative impact on the Grade II Listed Market Hall or the Victoria Hall nearby.

The blueprint for the cinema was drawn up at the same time that South African-based Moorgarth negotiated a £24 million deal to buy the Market Place.

A further £15 million will now be spent on the cinema as well as a string of restaurants in the sunken vaulted basement of the historic Market Hall.

The application states that the authentic environment of the brick vaults beneath the Market Hall will create a destination for restaurants and cafes.


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There will also be extensive modernisation, new shop fronts, and refurbished lifts.

About 40 per cent of the complex is currently unoccupied, but Moorgarth boss Tim Vaughan has promised that people will begin to see changes “almost immediately”.

New national, regional and local retailers are also promised in the coming months.

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9:56am Mon 9 Dec 13

George X says...

All we need now is some non computer generated punters !
All we need now is some non computer generated punters ! George X

10:19am Mon 9 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

The new owners must never have come into Bolton Town center on a evening then!
The new owners must never have come into Bolton Town center on a evening then! thomas222

10:53am Mon 9 Dec 13

Love Bolton says...

I think it is great that there will be something for families in the town centre in the afternoon and early evening. It is a really pretty centre and lovely to walk around the lights. Really looking forward to this new development. I hear they will also have nice places to take kids to eat which is a lovely idea. The only town centre restaurants I use at the moment with my family are the Tapas nearby and the small Italian on Mawdsley Street.
I think it is great that there will be something for families in the town centre in the afternoon and early evening. It is a really pretty centre and lovely to walk around the lights. Really looking forward to this new development. I hear they will also have nice places to take kids to eat which is a lovely idea. The only town centre restaurants I use at the moment with my family are the Tapas nearby and the small Italian on Mawdsley Street. Love Bolton

10:58am Mon 9 Dec 13

Comment777 says...

Monstrosity...no negative impact? Are they so blinded by their fees that they promulgate such mis-information and expect the reader to unquestioningly believe????
Monstrosity...no negative impact? Are they so blinded by their fees that they promulgate such mis-information and expect the reader to unquestioningly believe???? Comment777

11:04am Mon 9 Dec 13

LordLeverhulme says...

Yay. 1970s brutalist architecture is back!
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There's no way this will get planning permission.
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Sorry.. that should read There's no way this SHOULD get planning permission
Yay. 1970s brutalist architecture is back! . There's no way this will get planning permission. . Sorry.. that should read There's no way this SHOULD get planning permission LordLeverhulme

11:14am Mon 9 Dec 13

boredofbolton says...

in a word.......****
in a word.......**** boredofbolton

11:44am Mon 9 Dec 13

johnnywomble9 says...

Finally something for families and young people to do in the town centre instead of trekking miles for entertainment in out of town retail parks
Finally something for families and young people to do in the town centre instead of trekking miles for entertainment in out of town retail parks johnnywomble9

11:47am Mon 9 Dec 13

MarkAllRead says...

Unless they make the parking free, no-one will come. They will go to the two other cinema complexes instead. That's the thing with films in cinemas, they're full of adverts so the film starts 30 minutes after it is supposed to through no fault of your own. Imagine the seething this will cause if your car is on the meter in the car park. You'd literally be paying to watch adverts that you don't even want to see.
Unless they make the parking free, no-one will come. They will go to the two other cinema complexes instead. That's the thing with films in cinemas, they're full of adverts so the film starts 30 minutes after it is supposed to through no fault of your own. Imagine the seething this will cause if your car is on the meter in the car park. You'd literally be paying to watch adverts that you don't even want to see. MarkAllRead

11:48am Mon 9 Dec 13

OwdBolt says...

Hmmm, didn't we used to have a town centre cinema in a beautiful Art Deco building .... oh yes, the Odeon. Now a festering pointless derelict wasteland thanks to the Council's spineless incompetence.
Hmmm, didn't we used to have a town centre cinema in a beautiful Art Deco building .... oh yes, the Odeon. Now a festering pointless derelict wasteland thanks to the Council's spineless incompetence. OwdBolt

12:00pm Mon 9 Dec 13

one_love says...

how about some artists, architectural design maybe. Instead of just a tin box plonked on top of another building and computer generated picture, hahaha more like picture off goggle and then added the other building in on paint.
how about some artists, architectural design maybe. Instead of just a tin box plonked on top of another building and computer generated picture, hahaha more like picture off goggle and then added the other building in on paint. one_love

12:19pm Mon 9 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

Firstly the last cinema in Bolton Town Centre was on Bradshawgate and that closed over 10 years ago - when The Valley cinema opened.

Odeon hasn't been a cinema since the arly 1980's when it was transformed into a bingo hall and that was only 1 or 2 screens depending on the film!!!

As for free parking there is plenty available around the Market Place, if not in the Market Place.

This is GOOD news for the town centre. Does it matter about the design of the outside of the building considering there is no actual fixed design for buildings within the town centre!!!
Firstly the last cinema in Bolton Town Centre was on Bradshawgate and that closed over 10 years ago - when The Valley cinema opened. Odeon hasn't been a cinema since the arly 1980's when it was transformed into a bingo hall and that was only 1 or 2 screens depending on the film!!! As for free parking there is plenty available around the Market Place, if not in the Market Place. This is GOOD news for the town centre. Does it matter about the design of the outside of the building considering there is no actual fixed design for buildings within the town centre!!! The Righteous One

12:39pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Beyond News Forum says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Firstly the last cinema in Bolton Town Centre was on Bradshawgate and that closed over 10 years ago - when The Valley cinema opened.

Odeon hasn't been a cinema since the arly 1980's when it was transformed into a bingo hall and that was only 1 or 2 screens depending on the film!!!

As for free parking there is plenty available around the Market Place, if not in the Market Place.

This is GOOD news for the town centre. Does it matter about the design of the outside of the building considering there is no actual fixed design for buildings within the town centre!!!
There is an opportunity here to be different to the bog-standard tinfoil, Legoland. mall style, temporary looking garbage that is currently festering in many copycat towns and cities in the UK.

Yes this is great for the TC, I do concur that the parking fees will have to go, the complex will have to change, there should also be a walkway over to a completely renovated Victoria Hall, an underpass for the buses and cars to travel and a boulevard type frontage, a fully pedestrianized walk-around from Corporation Street all the way along Knowsley St and adjoining the pedestrianized zone around Fred Dibnah.

We have become too American with building design and prefab architecture... on this I have complete first hand knowledge.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Firstly the last cinema in Bolton Town Centre was on Bradshawgate and that closed over 10 years ago - when The Valley cinema opened. Odeon hasn't been a cinema since the arly 1980's when it was transformed into a bingo hall and that was only 1 or 2 screens depending on the film!!! As for free parking there is plenty available around the Market Place, if not in the Market Place. This is GOOD news for the town centre. Does it matter about the design of the outside of the building considering there is no actual fixed design for buildings within the town centre!!![/p][/quote]There is an opportunity here to be different to the bog-standard tinfoil, Legoland. mall style, temporary looking garbage that is currently festering in many copycat towns and cities in the UK. Yes this is great for the TC, I do concur that the parking fees will have to go, the complex will have to change, there should also be a walkway over to a completely renovated Victoria Hall, an underpass for the buses and cars to travel and a boulevard type frontage, a fully pedestrianized walk-around from Corporation Street all the way along Knowsley St and adjoining the pedestrianized zone around Fred Dibnah. We have become too American with building design and prefab architecture... on this I have complete first hand knowledge. Beyond News Forum

12:48pm Mon 9 Dec 13

boltonnut says...

IF a cinema is required in down town Bolton why stick it on top of a fine Victorian building?The impession that's shown is not in keeping with the surrounding buildings.IF a cinema is required in down town Bolton why not build it on the old Odeon site and fill the Market Hall with quaint little stalls with canvas roofs and meandering paths leading from one interesting stall to another? I know this idea is not original but at least it worked,or am I just a sentimentalist who believes in common sense?
IF a cinema is required in down town Bolton why stick it on top of a fine Victorian building?The impession that's shown is not in keeping with the surrounding buildings.IF a cinema is required in down town Bolton why not build it on the old Odeon site and fill the Market Hall with quaint little stalls with canvas roofs and meandering paths leading from one interesting stall to another? I know this idea is not original but at least it worked,or am I just a sentimentalist who believes in common sense? boltonnut

1:03pm Mon 9 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

boltonnut wrote:
IF a cinema is required in down town Bolton why stick it on top of a fine Victorian building?The impession that's shown is not in keeping with the surrounding buildings.IF a cinema is required in down town Bolton why not build it on the old Odeon site and fill the Market Hall with quaint little stalls with canvas roofs and meandering paths leading from one interesting stall to another? I know this idea is not original but at least it worked,or am I just a sentimentalist who believes in common sense?
It isn't being bu8ilt on the old Market Hall its being built on the 1980's built Market Place car park with the building of additional parking spaces ABOVE the cinema complex!!!

The site where the Odeon once stood has been bought buy a hotel chain and will soon start to work on building the latetest hotel for the town centre!
[quote][p][bold]boltonnut[/bold] wrote: IF a cinema is required in down town Bolton why stick it on top of a fine Victorian building?The impession that's shown is not in keeping with the surrounding buildings.IF a cinema is required in down town Bolton why not build it on the old Odeon site and fill the Market Hall with quaint little stalls with canvas roofs and meandering paths leading from one interesting stall to another? I know this idea is not original but at least it worked,or am I just a sentimentalist who believes in common sense?[/p][/quote]It isn't being bu8ilt on the old Market Hall its being built on the 1980's built Market Place car park with the building of additional parking spaces ABOVE the cinema complex!!! The site where the Odeon once stood has been bought buy a hotel chain and will soon start to work on building the latetest hotel for the town centre! The Righteous One

1:16pm Mon 9 Dec 13

stereo_world says...

I guess the planning designer was away on annual leave so they just got the xmas temp to "photoshop" it on there.
I guess the planning designer was away on annual leave so they just got the xmas temp to "photoshop" it on there. stereo_world

1:44pm Mon 9 Dec 13

W1NGM4N says...

MarkAllRead wrote:
Unless they make the parking free, no-one will come. They will go to the two other cinema complexes instead. That's the thing with films in cinemas, they're full of adverts so the film starts 30 minutes after it is supposed to through no fault of your own. Imagine the seething this will cause if your car is on the meter in the car park. You'd literally be paying to watch adverts that you don't even want to see.
You've just nailed it on the head! Imagine coming back to your car after the movie, you'll have paid for tickets, popcorn drinks etc n then your car ticket would have cost more then everything put together!
[quote][p][bold]MarkAllRead[/bold] wrote: Unless they make the parking free, no-one will come. They will go to the two other cinema complexes instead. That's the thing with films in cinemas, they're full of adverts so the film starts 30 minutes after it is supposed to through no fault of your own. Imagine the seething this will cause if your car is on the meter in the car park. You'd literally be paying to watch adverts that you don't even want to see.[/p][/quote]You've just nailed it on the head! Imagine coming back to your car after the movie, you'll have paid for tickets, popcorn drinks etc n then your car ticket would have cost more then everything put together! W1NGM4N

2:53pm Mon 9 Dec 13

wsw69 says...

THAT looks an absolute monstrosity. It's an abortion, a blot on the landscape and nothing else.

The idea is fine, the business method would have been great 20 - 25 years ago, but the landscape of how people watch films has changed massively. I've always enjoyed the cinema and you can't beat a great film in a specially designed auditorium for sound and film.

Now anyone who is OK with that thing slapped bang in the middle of town, no matter how desperate the town is needing revitalisation and jobs, needs to think again.

I am not being negative, I'm being realistic. Who in decent numbers are visiting cinemas these days? It's a fact of life that people can now watch films on their smartphones, tablets and via the internet. So why do the developers think the hard strapped people of this once glorious town are going to fork out for something they can do all so well at home - and cheaper probably.

I really do hope it's a raring success, god knows Bolton could do with a great many projects hitting it off. All the very best with it, but can I just ask one thing - change how that bloody eyesore looks, it's utterly abysmal.
THAT looks an absolute monstrosity. It's an abortion, a blot on the landscape and nothing else. The idea is fine, the business method would have been great 20 - 25 years ago, but the landscape of how people watch films has changed massively. I've always enjoyed the cinema and you can't beat a great film in a specially designed auditorium for sound and film. Now anyone who is OK with that thing slapped bang in the middle of town, no matter how desperate the town is needing revitalisation and jobs, needs to think again. I am not being negative, I'm being realistic. Who in decent numbers are visiting cinemas these days? It's a fact of life that people can now watch films on their smartphones, tablets and via the internet. So why do the developers think the hard strapped people of this once glorious town are going to fork out for something they can do all so well at home - and cheaper probably. I really do hope it's a raring success, god knows Bolton could do with a great many projects hitting it off. All the very best with it, but can I just ask one thing - change how that bloody eyesore looks, it's utterly abysmal. wsw69

3:10pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Reality50 says...

The cinema is long overdue. Trying to get to and from Middlebrook or Tonge Valley,Astley Bridge is difficult at night without a car. I fully support the cinema idea as long as admission prices are reasonable.
The cinema is long overdue. Trying to get to and from Middlebrook or Tonge Valley,Astley Bridge is difficult at night without a car. I fully support the cinema idea as long as admission prices are reasonable. Reality50

4:45pm Mon 9 Dec 13

ncc_22 says...

wsw69 wrote:
THAT looks an absolute monstrosity. It's an abortion, a blot on the landscape and nothing else.

The idea is fine, the business method would have been great 20 - 25 years ago, but the landscape of how people watch films has changed massively. I've always enjoyed the cinema and you can't beat a great film in a specially designed auditorium for sound and film.

Now anyone who is OK with that thing slapped bang in the middle of town, no matter how desperate the town is needing revitalisation and jobs, needs to think again.

I am not being negative, I'm being realistic. Who in decent numbers are visiting cinemas these days? It's a fact of life that people can now watch films on their smartphones, tablets and via the internet. So why do the developers think the hard strapped people of this once glorious town are going to fork out for something they can do all so well at home - and cheaper probably.

I really do hope it's a raring success, god knows Bolton could do with a great many projects hitting it off. All the very best with it, but can I just ask one thing - change how that bloody eyesore looks, it's utterly abysmal.
actually alot of people still go to the cinema. when was the last time you visited one? its always busy whenever i go. but you are right it does look ugly!!!
[quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: THAT looks an absolute monstrosity. It's an abortion, a blot on the landscape and nothing else. The idea is fine, the business method would have been great 20 - 25 years ago, but the landscape of how people watch films has changed massively. I've always enjoyed the cinema and you can't beat a great film in a specially designed auditorium for sound and film. Now anyone who is OK with that thing slapped bang in the middle of town, no matter how desperate the town is needing revitalisation and jobs, needs to think again. I am not being negative, I'm being realistic. Who in decent numbers are visiting cinemas these days? It's a fact of life that people can now watch films on their smartphones, tablets and via the internet. So why do the developers think the hard strapped people of this once glorious town are going to fork out for something they can do all so well at home - and cheaper probably. I really do hope it's a raring success, god knows Bolton could do with a great many projects hitting it off. All the very best with it, but can I just ask one thing - change how that bloody eyesore looks, it's utterly abysmal.[/p][/quote]actually alot of people still go to the cinema. when was the last time you visited one? its always busy whenever i go. but you are right it does look ugly!!! ncc_22

5:10pm Mon 9 Dec 13

George X says...

The Righteous One wrote:
boltonnut wrote:
IF a cinema is required in down town Bolton why stick it on top of a fine Victorian building?The impession that's shown is not in keeping with the surrounding buildings.IF a cinema is required in down town Bolton why not build it on the old Odeon site and fill the Market Hall with quaint little stalls with canvas roofs and meandering paths leading from one interesting stall to another? I know this idea is not original but at least it worked,or am I just a sentimentalist who believes in common sense?
It isn't being bu8ilt on the old Market Hall its being built on the 1980's built Market Place car park with the building of additional parking spaces ABOVE the cinema complex!!!

The site where the Odeon once stood has been bought buy a hotel chain and will soon start to work on building the latetest hotel for the town centre!
Building a hotel you say, who for ? the next influx of EU scroungers i'll bet.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boltonnut[/bold] wrote: IF a cinema is required in down town Bolton why stick it on top of a fine Victorian building?The impession that's shown is not in keeping with the surrounding buildings.IF a cinema is required in down town Bolton why not build it on the old Odeon site and fill the Market Hall with quaint little stalls with canvas roofs and meandering paths leading from one interesting stall to another? I know this idea is not original but at least it worked,or am I just a sentimentalist who believes in common sense?[/p][/quote]It isn't being bu8ilt on the old Market Hall its being built on the 1980's built Market Place car park with the building of additional parking spaces ABOVE the cinema complex!!! The site where the Odeon once stood has been bought buy a hotel chain and will soon start to work on building the latetest hotel for the town centre![/p][/quote]Building a hotel you say, who for ? the next influx of EU scroungers i'll bet. George X

5:12pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Malcolm Tucker says...

boltonnut wrote:
IF a cinema is required in down town Bolton why stick it on top of a fine Victorian building?The impession that's shown is not in keeping with the surrounding buildings.IF a cinema is required in down town Bolton why not build it on the old Odeon site and fill the Market Hall with quaint little stalls with canvas roofs and meandering paths leading from one interesting stall to another? I know this idea is not original but at least it worked,or am I just a sentimentalist who believes in common sense?
Eh?
How can you describe a 1980s built shopping centre as a "fine Victorian building"? Look at the picture again - the Victorian Market Hall is on the right.

That said, the shopping centre was built with a particular architectural style that helped it blend in with the older Hall building, and I don't see why the new cinema cant do the same. This is an artists impression showing where it will go, so hopefully the details are yet to come.

Secondly, are you seriously suggesting that Moorgarth, who have just bought the Market Place, should go and buy the old Mecca Bingo site (you refer to it as Odeon) from the hotel developers are build a cinema there? Why would Moorgarth do this when they have already got their site? Why would Moorgarth spend millions only to fill it with brick a brack stalls that already exist at Ashburner Street? These are serious investors with a track record of retail investment. They know that the cinema in the shopping centre idea works, so I doubt very much they want to be pratting about with quaint little stalls and meandering paths.

We already have a market, a good one at that. Bolton really does not need 2 markets, with an identical offer and never has.

The only thing left to do to guarantee the success of this massive investment into our town is for all of the moaners and whingers to stay well clear!
[quote][p][bold]boltonnut[/bold] wrote: IF a cinema is required in down town Bolton why stick it on top of a fine Victorian building?The impession that's shown is not in keeping with the surrounding buildings.IF a cinema is required in down town Bolton why not build it on the old Odeon site and fill the Market Hall with quaint little stalls with canvas roofs and meandering paths leading from one interesting stall to another? I know this idea is not original but at least it worked,or am I just a sentimentalist who believes in common sense?[/p][/quote]Eh? How can you describe a 1980s built shopping centre as a "fine Victorian building"? Look at the picture again - the Victorian Market Hall is on the right. That said, the shopping centre was built with a particular architectural style that helped it blend in with the older Hall building, and I don't see why the new cinema cant do the same. This is an artists impression showing where it will go, so hopefully the details are yet to come. Secondly, are you seriously suggesting that Moorgarth, who have just bought the Market Place, should go and buy the old Mecca Bingo site (you refer to it as Odeon) from the hotel developers are build a cinema there? Why would Moorgarth do this when they have already got their site? Why would Moorgarth spend millions only to fill it with brick a brack stalls that already exist at Ashburner Street? These are serious investors with a track record of retail investment. They know that the cinema in the shopping centre idea works, so I doubt very much they want to be pratting about with quaint little stalls and meandering paths. We already have a market, a good one at that. Bolton really does not need 2 markets, with an identical offer and never has. The only thing left to do to guarantee the success of this massive investment into our town is for all of the moaners and whingers to stay well clear! Malcolm Tucker

6:26pm Mon 9 Dec 13

serendipity2 says...

We need a cinema but it also needs to be an attractive building to attract further investors.

Planning will pass a tin can if there is enough money involved but that will look like a real carbunkle and should be ammended to be deemed more in keeping with surrounding architecture.

Mind you we know this planning depts track record on applications where suitable or not the lido building Birtenshaw green buildings.
We need a cinema but it also needs to be an attractive building to attract further investors. Planning will pass a tin can if there is enough money involved but that will look like a real carbunkle and should be ammended to be deemed more in keeping with surrounding architecture. Mind you we know this planning depts track record on applications where suitable or not the lido building Birtenshaw green buildings. serendipity2

6:32pm Mon 9 Dec 13

wsw69 says...

Malcolm Tucker wrote:
boltonnut wrote:
IF a cinema is required in down town Bolton why stick it on top of a fine Victorian building?The impession that's shown is not in keeping with the surrounding buildings.IF a cinema is required in down town Bolton why not build it on the old Odeon site and fill the Market Hall with quaint little stalls with canvas roofs and meandering paths leading from one interesting stall to another? I know this idea is not original but at least it worked,or am I just a sentimentalist who believes in common sense?
Eh?
How can you describe a 1980s built shopping centre as a "fine Victorian building"? Look at the picture again - the Victorian Market Hall is on the right.

That said, the shopping centre was built with a particular architectural style that helped it blend in with the older Hall building, and I don't see why the new cinema cant do the same. This is an artists impression showing where it will go, so hopefully the details are yet to come.

Secondly, are you seriously suggesting that Moorgarth, who have just bought the Market Place, should go and buy the old Mecca Bingo site (you refer to it as Odeon) from the hotel developers are build a cinema there? Why would Moorgarth do this when they have already got their site? Why would Moorgarth spend millions only to fill it with brick a brack stalls that already exist at Ashburner Street? These are serious investors with a track record of retail investment. They know that the cinema in the shopping centre idea works, so I doubt very much they want to be pratting about with quaint little stalls and meandering paths.

We already have a market, a good one at that. Bolton really does not need 2 markets, with an identical offer and never has.

The only thing left to do to guarantee the success of this massive investment into our town is for all of the moaners and whingers to stay well clear!
Malcolm Tucker - I agree wholeheartedly with everything you have put. Obviously, this company Moorgarth know what they are doing, and aren't going to invest such a large amount of cash if they were not 100% sure that their cash will reap rewards.

I just only hope that the finished cinema looks a whole lot better than how I can imagine it looking from that computer generated image.

There is more than a fair share of abysmal so called architecture been erected in and around the town centre since the late 1950's, that has never, and will never, co-exist along side the fine buildings from many moons gone by.

Fingers crossed for the project, but re-think that ghastly looking excuse of a cinema. It looks too much like a warehouse fallen in from above.
[quote][p][bold]Malcolm Tucker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boltonnut[/bold] wrote: IF a cinema is required in down town Bolton why stick it on top of a fine Victorian building?The impession that's shown is not in keeping with the surrounding buildings.IF a cinema is required in down town Bolton why not build it on the old Odeon site and fill the Market Hall with quaint little stalls with canvas roofs and meandering paths leading from one interesting stall to another? I know this idea is not original but at least it worked,or am I just a sentimentalist who believes in common sense?[/p][/quote]Eh? How can you describe a 1980s built shopping centre as a "fine Victorian building"? Look at the picture again - the Victorian Market Hall is on the right. That said, the shopping centre was built with a particular architectural style that helped it blend in with the older Hall building, and I don't see why the new cinema cant do the same. This is an artists impression showing where it will go, so hopefully the details are yet to come. Secondly, are you seriously suggesting that Moorgarth, who have just bought the Market Place, should go and buy the old Mecca Bingo site (you refer to it as Odeon) from the hotel developers are build a cinema there? Why would Moorgarth do this when they have already got their site? Why would Moorgarth spend millions only to fill it with brick a brack stalls that already exist at Ashburner Street? These are serious investors with a track record of retail investment. They know that the cinema in the shopping centre idea works, so I doubt very much they want to be pratting about with quaint little stalls and meandering paths. We already have a market, a good one at that. Bolton really does not need 2 markets, with an identical offer and never has. The only thing left to do to guarantee the success of this massive investment into our town is for all of the moaners and whingers to stay well clear![/p][/quote]Malcolm Tucker - I agree wholeheartedly with everything you have put. Obviously, this company Moorgarth know what they are doing, and aren't going to invest such a large amount of cash if they were not 100% sure that their cash will reap rewards. I just only hope that the finished cinema looks a whole lot better than how I can imagine it looking from that computer generated image. There is more than a fair share of abysmal so called architecture been erected in and around the town centre since the late 1950's, that has never, and will never, co-exist along side the fine buildings from many moons gone by. Fingers crossed for the project, but re-think that ghastly looking excuse of a cinema. It looks too much like a warehouse fallen in from above. wsw69

8:03pm Mon 9 Dec 13

127001 says...

I will say this much; I'll never step foot in the town centre again.
The destruction of a once unique town centre is nearing completion!

Congratulations to all those involved and Merry Christmas.
I will say this much; I'll never step foot in the town centre again. The destruction of a once unique town centre is nearing completion! Congratulations to all those involved and Merry Christmas. 127001

9:49pm Mon 9 Dec 13

biglad44 says...

Another monstrosity taking up the bolton skyline I can't see the Carpark foundation taking the extra weight and stress of the cinema and the car park on top. I have been under the market hall and its Victorian engineering will be destroyed by this pile of concrete @&)£! . Why not rebuild a cinema where the old one was knocked down as it's just waste land now a right eyesore.
Another monstrosity taking up the bolton skyline I can't see the Carpark foundation taking the extra weight and stress of the cinema and the car park on top. I have been under the market hall and its Victorian engineering will be destroyed by this pile of concrete @&)£! . Why not rebuild a cinema where the old one was knocked down as it's just waste land now a right eyesore. biglad44

9:49pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Greasy Chip Butty says...

All we need now is a roller skating or an ice skating rink within walking distance of town.
All we need now is a roller skating or an ice skating rink within walking distance of town. Greasy Chip Butty

10:34pm Mon 9 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

biglad44 wrote:
Another monstrosity taking up the bolton skyline I can't see the Carpark foundation taking the extra weight and stress of the cinema and the car park on top. I have been under the market hall and its Victorian engineering will be destroyed by this pile of concrete @&)£! . Why not rebuild a cinema where the old one was knocked down as it's just waste land now a right eyesore.
Have to point out that the cinema is bring built on part of the building that was constructed in the 1980's and not 1880's!!!!

Plus which cinema do you mean? The last cinema in Bolton town centre was the Cannon/ABC on Bradshawgate which closed over 10 ten years ago and if you mean the old Mecca Bingo site which used to house the Odeon until the early 1980's then the current owners (Whitbread-Premier Inn) are building a hotel on that site! Or do you mean the old cinema that used to be on Churchgate which is now pub or how about the old cinema that used to be on the corner of Trinity Street and Bradshawgate which is now a meat supermarket?
[quote][p][bold]biglad44[/bold] wrote: Another monstrosity taking up the bolton skyline I can't see the Carpark foundation taking the extra weight and stress of the cinema and the car park on top. I have been under the market hall and its Victorian engineering will be destroyed by this pile of concrete @&)£! . Why not rebuild a cinema where the old one was knocked down as it's just waste land now a right eyesore.[/p][/quote]Have to point out that the cinema is bring built on part of the building that was constructed in the 1980's and not 1880's!!!! Plus which cinema do you mean? The last cinema in Bolton town centre was the Cannon/ABC on Bradshawgate which closed over 10 ten years ago and if you mean the old Mecca Bingo site which used to house the Odeon until the early 1980's then the current owners (Whitbread-Premier Inn) are building a hotel on that site! Or do you mean the old cinema that used to be on Churchgate which is now pub or how about the old cinema that used to be on the corner of Trinity Street and Bradshawgate which is now a meat supermarket? BWFC71

10:41pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Beyond News Forum says...

Greasy Chip Butty wrote:
All we need now is a roller skating or an ice skating rink within walking distance of town.
I've long said that an Ice-Skating Rink would be a valuable asset to the town. Also an area on the Moors should be selected for Skiing.

We need a speed boat lake also for water skiing and an underwater hotel
[quote][p][bold]Greasy Chip Butty[/bold] wrote: All we need now is a roller skating or an ice skating rink within walking distance of town.[/p][/quote]I've long said that an Ice-Skating Rink would be a valuable asset to the town. Also an area on the Moors should be selected for Skiing. We need a speed boat lake also for water skiing and an underwater hotel Beyond News Forum

10:53pm Mon 9 Dec 13

bernie boy says...

127001 wrote:
I will say this much; I'll never step foot in the town centre again.
The destruction of a once unique town centre is nearing completion!

Congratulations to all those involved and Merry Christmas.
We'll take your word for that!
[quote][p][bold]127001[/bold] wrote: I will say this much; I'll never step foot in the town centre again. The destruction of a once unique town centre is nearing completion! Congratulations to all those involved and Merry Christmas.[/p][/quote]We'll take your word for that! bernie boy

10:55pm Mon 9 Dec 13

bernie boy says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Greasy Chip Butty wrote:
All we need now is a roller skating or an ice skating rink within walking distance of town.
I've long said that an Ice-Skating Rink would be a valuable asset to the town. Also an area on the Moors should be selected for Skiing.

We need a speed boat lake also for water skiing and an underwater hotel
I think the council should encourage Sir Richard Branson to open a space port in the town.
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Greasy Chip Butty[/bold] wrote: All we need now is a roller skating or an ice skating rink within walking distance of town.[/p][/quote]I've long said that an Ice-Skating Rink would be a valuable asset to the town. Also an area on the Moors should be selected for Skiing. We need a speed boat lake also for water skiing and an underwater hotel[/p][/quote]I think the council should encourage Sir Richard Branson to open a space port in the town. bernie boy

5:13am Tue 10 Dec 13

127001 says...

bernie boy wrote:
127001 wrote:
I will say this much; I'll never step foot in the town centre again.
The destruction of a once unique town centre is nearing completion!

Congratulations to all those involved and Merry Christmas.
We'll take your word for that!
hehe, please do! I've a good feeling this won't be going ahead anyway.

In the grand scheme of the town centre it is fast becoming a cartoon landscape with all the differing (and random) types of architecture emerging.

Granted shopping habits have changed over the past decade - I can't for the life of me see how a big grey building stuck in the middle of a 'characteristic' building is going to improve the town centre in any way, shape or form.

With all the meddling that has occurred over the past 10 - 15 years I'm surprised it lasted this long!
[quote][p][bold]bernie boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]127001[/bold] wrote: I will say this much; I'll never step foot in the town centre again. The destruction of a once unique town centre is nearing completion! Congratulations to all those involved and Merry Christmas.[/p][/quote]We'll take your word for that![/p][/quote]hehe, please do! I've a good feeling this won't be going ahead anyway. In the grand scheme of the town centre it is fast becoming a cartoon landscape with all the differing (and random) types of architecture emerging. Granted shopping habits have changed over the past decade - I can't for the life of me see how a big grey building stuck in the middle of a 'characteristic' building is going to improve the town centre in any way, shape or form. With all the meddling that has occurred over the past 10 - 15 years I'm surprised it lasted this long! 127001

1:55pm Tue 10 Dec 13

boltoncity says...

I think it will be good for the TC . families and couples will go there for shopping eating and the cinemas as long as they get the parking and security right. Make sure there are secure , manned and well lit car parks .. ensure security guards eject any gangs of youths or any other persons causing a nuisance and you're onto a winner .
I think it will be good for the TC . families and couples will go there for shopping eating and the cinemas as long as they get the parking and security right. Make sure there are secure , manned and well lit car parks .. ensure security guards eject any gangs of youths or any other persons causing a nuisance and you're onto a winner . boltoncity

4:33pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Mick England says...

Seems to me the architects have eaten the wrong mushrooms with the full english breakfast! Back in the 80's I covered all the arches with copper cladding, I also did the copper feature on the Victoria Hall. When the plans were originally drawn up it was intended that we maintained the Victorian look hence the standing seam / batton roll effect usually used on churches etc. This is not in keeping with that desired effect and will look ridiculous! Why not just clad it with standing seam copper to maintain the look?
Seems to me the architects have eaten the wrong mushrooms with the full english breakfast! Back in the 80's I covered all the arches with copper cladding, I also did the copper feature on the Victoria Hall. When the plans were originally drawn up it was intended that we maintained the Victorian look hence the standing seam / batton roll effect usually used on churches etc. This is not in keeping with that desired effect and will look ridiculous! Why not just clad it with standing seam copper to maintain the look? Mick England

5:59pm Tue 10 Dec 13

biglad44 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
biglad44 wrote:
Another monstrosity taking up the bolton skyline I can't see the Carpark foundation taking the extra weight and stress of the cinema and the car park on top. I have been under the market hall and its Victorian engineering will be destroyed by this pile of concrete @&)£! . Why not rebuild a cinema where the old one was knocked down as it's just waste land now a right eyesore.
Have to point out that the cinema is bring built on part of the building that was constructed in the 1980's and not 1880's!!!!

Plus which cinema do you mean? The last cinema in Bolton town centre was the Cannon/ABC on Bradshawgate which closed over 10 ten years ago and if you mean the old Mecca Bingo site which used to house the Odeon until the early 1980's then the current owners (Whitbread-Premier Inn) are building a hotel on that site! Or do you mean the old cinema that used to be on Churchgate which is now pub or how about the old cinema that used to be on the corner of Trinity Street and Bradshawgate which is now a meat supermarket?
A further £15 million will now be spent on the cinema as well as a string of restaurants in the sunken vaulted basement of the historic Market Hall
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]biglad44[/bold] wrote: Another monstrosity taking up the bolton skyline I can't see the Carpark foundation taking the extra weight and stress of the cinema and the car park on top. I have been under the market hall and its Victorian engineering will be destroyed by this pile of concrete @&)£! . Why not rebuild a cinema where the old one was knocked down as it's just waste land now a right eyesore.[/p][/quote]Have to point out that the cinema is bring built on part of the building that was constructed in the 1980's and not 1880's!!!! Plus which cinema do you mean? The last cinema in Bolton town centre was the Cannon/ABC on Bradshawgate which closed over 10 ten years ago and if you mean the old Mecca Bingo site which used to house the Odeon until the early 1980's then the current owners (Whitbread-Premier Inn) are building a hotel on that site! Or do you mean the old cinema that used to be on Churchgate which is now pub or how about the old cinema that used to be on the corner of Trinity Street and Bradshawgate which is now a meat supermarket?[/p][/quote]A further £15 million will now be spent on the cinema as well as a string of restaurants in the sunken vaulted basement of the historic Market Hall biglad44

10:48pm Tue 10 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

biglad44 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
biglad44 wrote:
Another monstrosity taking up the bolton skyline I can't see the Carpark foundation taking the extra weight and stress of the cinema and the car park on top. I have been under the market hall and its Victorian engineering will be destroyed by this pile of concrete @&)£! . Why not rebuild a cinema where the old one was knocked down as it's just waste land now a right eyesore.
Have to point out that the cinema is bring built on part of the building that was constructed in the 1980's and not 1880's!!!!

Plus which cinema do you mean? The last cinema in Bolton town centre was the Cannon/ABC on Bradshawgate which closed over 10 ten years ago and if you mean the old Mecca Bingo site which used to house the Odeon until the early 1980's then the current owners (Whitbread-Premier Inn) are building a hotel on that site! Or do you mean the old cinema that used to be on Churchgate which is now pub or how about the old cinema that used to be on the corner of Trinity Street and Bradshawgate which is now a meat supermarket?
A further £15 million will now be spent on the cinema as well as a string of restaurants in the sunken vaulted basement of the historic Market Hall
The cinema is NOT part of the old Victorian Hall its part of the 1980's structure.
The eateries will probably be in the vaults of the old Market Hall which sounds good to me - in fact there used to be a great restaurant that was situ in the basement of the Market Hall and that used to be owned by the people who owned Smithills Coaching House (pre-Cllr Morris) so its not a unique or new idea!!!
[quote][p][bold]biglad44[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]biglad44[/bold] wrote: Another monstrosity taking up the bolton skyline I can't see the Carpark foundation taking the extra weight and stress of the cinema and the car park on top. I have been under the market hall and its Victorian engineering will be destroyed by this pile of concrete @&)£! . Why not rebuild a cinema where the old one was knocked down as it's just waste land now a right eyesore.[/p][/quote]Have to point out that the cinema is bring built on part of the building that was constructed in the 1980's and not 1880's!!!! Plus which cinema do you mean? The last cinema in Bolton town centre was the Cannon/ABC on Bradshawgate which closed over 10 ten years ago and if you mean the old Mecca Bingo site which used to house the Odeon until the early 1980's then the current owners (Whitbread-Premier Inn) are building a hotel on that site! Or do you mean the old cinema that used to be on Churchgate which is now pub or how about the old cinema that used to be on the corner of Trinity Street and Bradshawgate which is now a meat supermarket?[/p][/quote]A further £15 million will now be spent on the cinema as well as a string of restaurants in the sunken vaulted basement of the historic Market Hall[/p][/quote]The cinema is NOT part of the old Victorian Hall its part of the 1980's structure. The eateries will probably be in the vaults of the old Market Hall which sounds good to me - in fact there used to be a great restaurant that was situ in the basement of the Market Hall and that used to be owned by the people who owned Smithills Coaching House (pre-Cllr Morris) so its not a unique or new idea!!! BWFC71

5:51am Wed 11 Dec 13

127001 says...

A further £15 million?

Accounts relating to 'Moorgarth'.

Moorgarth Leisure: £42,000 cash, -£596,000 net worth, £84,000 assets, £40,000 liabilities.

Moorgarth Group: £150,000 cash, -£177,000 net worth, £250,000 assets, £494,000 liabilities.

Moorgarth Properties: £68,000 cash, £-1,374,000 net worth, £259,000 assets, £88,000 liabilities.


They will need to work hard to get the money back they invested in the Market Place then - if they have investors who have sunk money into this then in my opinion they are taking a huge gamble with the town centre's decline in recent years (miracle?)
A further £15 million? Accounts relating to 'Moorgarth'. Moorgarth Leisure: £42,000 cash, -£596,000 net worth, £84,000 assets, £40,000 liabilities. Moorgarth Group: £150,000 cash, -£177,000 net worth, £250,000 assets, £494,000 liabilities. Moorgarth Properties: £68,000 cash, £-1,374,000 net worth, £259,000 assets, £88,000 liabilities. They will need to work hard to get the money back they invested in the Market Place then - if they have investors who have sunk money into this then in my opinion they are taking a huge gamble with the town centre's decline in recent years (miracle?) 127001

5:19pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Ernagy2 says...

I'm skeptical as to the viability of this Cinema as most people have cars and can go to middlebrook. An Ice Skating / Roller Skatiing venue would be good, but the Town needs a flexible exhibition centre which could be used for all sorts of events including rock concerts. People keep saying you can go into Manchester - well you can go into Manchester for the Cinema or drive to any number of places. Plus with the poor bus service who wants to go into a Town that caters mostly for drunk teenagers?
I'm skeptical as to the viability of this Cinema as most people have cars and can go to middlebrook. An Ice Skating / Roller Skatiing venue would be good, but the Town needs a flexible exhibition centre which could be used for all sorts of events including rock concerts. People keep saying you can go into Manchester - well you can go into Manchester for the Cinema or drive to any number of places. Plus with the poor bus service who wants to go into a Town that caters mostly for drunk teenagers? Ernagy2

12:00am Sat 14 Dec 13

W1NGM4N says...

Absolutely minging! All you need now is a chimney in the back! Complete n utter waste! Do whatever you want Bolton council your not gonna listen to us anyway!
Absolutely minging! All you need now is a chimney in the back! Complete n utter waste! Do whatever you want Bolton council your not gonna listen to us anyway! W1NGM4N

11:41pm Sat 14 Dec 13

mr hardman says...

give them a chance and stop moaning people like you will decline our town
give them a chance and stop moaning people like you will decline our town mr hardman

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