£37 million investment to electrify Bolton - Wigan train line

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THE railway line between Bolton and Wigan will receive £37 million of investment to electrify the line.

The Department for Transport (DfT) has announced today that the line from Bolton to Wigan North Western — which goes through Westhoughton, Hindley and Ince — will be upgraded as part of a national push for rail electrification.

A DfT spokesman said the government was investing record amounts to modernise the network across England and help areas like Bolton.

He said: “The £37 million electrification of the Bolton to Wigan line will provide significant benefits to passengers and local businesses.

“It will allow the introduction of faster and more reliable electric trains throughout the region with more peak capacity.

“With the majority of the work being carried out at night and at the weekend, Network Rail has assured us that disruption will be kept to a minimum.”

Work is scheduled to be completed by 2017, and is part of wider plans to enable the conversion of the Wigan to Victoria and Manchester Airport services and is in addition to the electrification of the Manchester to Preston line.

Commuters have already suffered delays and cancellations as a result of preparatory work for the upgrade of that line.

The Bolton News has launched the Let’s Get Back On Track campaign calling on railway bosses to improve the town’s “cattle market” rail services and stop overcrowding.

Cllr David Chadwick, Bolton Council’s cabinet member for highway and transport, said: “It is fantastic news — it’s sensible that it is done at the same time as the Manchester to Preston line.

“We have been waiting for this for donkey’s years and that corridor is becoming busier by the year as Westhoughton is becoming very popular for people commuting to Bolton, Manchester and Wigan.

“It’s difficult to say what the impact on commuters will be while the work is being carried on. I’m not an engineer, and as the Manchester to Preston line is being electrified some of the bridges are a major structural headache.”

He also praised electric trains for being more efficient, faster, with a lower carbon footprint, less maintenance issues and are faster when leaving the station.

Cllr Chadwick added: “By doing it between Wigan North Western and Bolton, it gives rail companies the opportunity to re-route electrical trains and be more flexible if there’s problems north of Lostock — for example if a train de-rails around Chorley.”

And rail campaigner, Preva Crossley, who is the development officer of Hindley station and a committee member on the Friends of Westhoughton Train Station, is delighted with the plans.

He said: “It’s great news, especially for Hindley and Westhoughton stations — so long as they keep the level of services that they have already.

“The prospect of disruption to the train services does concern me, because we haven’t been consulted on that.

“But hopefully it will turn out okay — I’m looking forward to it being completed.”

But Bolton’s MPs have reacted more cautiously, arguing that the needs of commuters must be taken into account while electrification is undertaken.

MP David Crausby, who represents Bolton North East, said while electrifying the lines was a positive step forward, he feared the work would mean more chaos for Bolton commuters.

He called on the government to release more carriages while work is being carried on to ease some of the congestion that is being anticipated.

He said: “I do welcome the modernisation of the railways, but Bolton commuters have got to be compensated in some way.

“I have written to the Transport Minister asking for assurance that Bolton will receive more diesel trains to tackle overcrowding.

“It’s vitally important that the long-suffering Bolton commuters should be compensated with more carriages. It’s becoming unbearable.”

Yasmin Qureshi, MP for Bolton South East, agreed that while she supports electrification, rail bosses need to make sure that commuters are protected while the work is being carried out.

She said: “It’s great Bolton has received this investment, but the railway companies should run a better services.

“We’re seen stories in The Bolton News where commuters have been squashed like sardines while travelling on the trains, and I’ve encountered many problems myself.

“We’re being attacked from all sides on this issue — and we need better service while the work is ongoing.

“The rail companies could put on more carriages or extra services during peak hours, but the easy option is not to spend any extra money.”

Bolton West MP Julie Hilling added: “This is good news and thanks particularly to David Chadwick for the battling he’s done for this extra electrification “However, we do have to keep fighting to see that we get adequate rolling stock and that while this work is going on the services, the support that our commuters desperately need is in place.”

Transport for Greater Manchester also welcomed the news.

Cllr Andrew Fender, chairman of the TfGM committee, said: “This is more good news for rail passengers which, in the long-term, will provide greater capacity and swifter journeys on modern electric trains along what is already a very popular and well used route.”

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7:55am Fri 13 Dec 13

AndrewMartinS says...

It is good to see the Lib Dems in Government delivering on millions of pounds of rail upgrades in the North West even before HS2 is considered, after years of neglect by previous Governments. I hope this also provides jobs for people in Bolton.

Might have been nice to have a quote from someone who isn't Labour, given that this is Government money!
It is good to see the Lib Dems in Government delivering on millions of pounds of rail upgrades in the North West even before HS2 is considered, after years of neglect by previous Governments. I hope this also provides jobs for people in Bolton. Might have been nice to have a quote from someone who isn't Labour, given that this is Government money! AndrewMartinS

8:22am Fri 13 Dec 13

Rivington_Pike says...

Government money? Which government? There is never any mention of the money supplied by the EU in major transport infrastructure investments like this, wonder why?
Government money? Which government? There is never any mention of the money supplied by the EU in major transport infrastructure investments like this, wonder why? Rivington_Pike

8:32am Fri 13 Dec 13

Balboa says...

AndrewMartinS wrote:
It is good to see the Lib Dems in Government delivering on millions of pounds of rail upgrades in the North West even before HS2 is considered, after years of neglect by previous Governments. I hope this also provides jobs for people in Bolton.

Might have been nice to have a quote from someone who isn't Labour, given that this is Government money!
The BN wouldn't bust a gut to seek a Government quote - first and every opportunity to labour and the socialists.
[quote][p][bold]AndrewMartinS[/bold] wrote: It is good to see the Lib Dems in Government delivering on millions of pounds of rail upgrades in the North West even before HS2 is considered, after years of neglect by previous Governments. I hope this also provides jobs for people in Bolton. Might have been nice to have a quote from someone who isn't Labour, given that this is Government money![/p][/quote]The BN wouldn't bust a gut to seek a Government quote - first and every opportunity to labour and the socialists. Balboa

8:54am Fri 13 Dec 13

Malcolm Tucker says...

Balboa wrote:
AndrewMartinS wrote:
It is good to see the Lib Dems in Government delivering on millions of pounds of rail upgrades in the North West even before HS2 is considered, after years of neglect by previous Governments. I hope this also provides jobs for people in Bolton.

Might have been nice to have a quote from someone who isn't Labour, given that this is Government money!
The BN wouldn't bust a gut to seek a Government quote - first and every opportunity to labour and the socialists.
The first quote is from a DfT spokesman, which, when I last checked, is a Government Department!

Should have gone to Specsavers Balboa!
[quote][p][bold]Balboa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndrewMartinS[/bold] wrote: It is good to see the Lib Dems in Government delivering on millions of pounds of rail upgrades in the North West even before HS2 is considered, after years of neglect by previous Governments. I hope this also provides jobs for people in Bolton. Might have been nice to have a quote from someone who isn't Labour, given that this is Government money![/p][/quote]The BN wouldn't bust a gut to seek a Government quote - first and every opportunity to labour and the socialists.[/p][/quote]The first quote is from a DfT spokesman, which, when I last checked, is a Government Department! Should have gone to Specsavers Balboa! Malcolm Tucker

8:54am Fri 13 Dec 13

AndrewMartinS says...

Balboa wrote:
AndrewMartinS wrote:
It is good to see the Lib Dems in Government delivering on millions of pounds of rail upgrades in the North West even before HS2 is considered, after years of neglect by previous Governments. I hope this also provides jobs for people in Bolton.

Might have been nice to have a quote from someone who isn't Labour, given that this is Government money!
The BN wouldn't bust a gut to seek a Government quote - first and every opportunity to labour and the socialists.
Great how Julie Hilling tries to claim this is down to David Chadwick!
[quote][p][bold]Balboa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndrewMartinS[/bold] wrote: It is good to see the Lib Dems in Government delivering on millions of pounds of rail upgrades in the North West even before HS2 is considered, after years of neglect by previous Governments. I hope this also provides jobs for people in Bolton. Might have been nice to have a quote from someone who isn't Labour, given that this is Government money![/p][/quote]The BN wouldn't bust a gut to seek a Government quote - first and every opportunity to labour and the socialists.[/p][/quote]Great how Julie Hilling tries to claim this is down to David Chadwick! AndrewMartinS

9:03am Fri 13 Dec 13

Malcolm Tucker says...

AndrewMartinS wrote:
It is good to see the Lib Dems in Government delivering on millions of pounds of rail upgrades in the North West even before HS2 is considered, after years of neglect by previous Governments. I hope this also provides jobs for people in Bolton.

Might have been nice to have a quote from someone who isn't Labour, given that this is Government money!
Oh spare us the sanctimonious moaning of Lib Dem hurt feelings!

Don't blame the BN because the Government quote provided to them is from a "spokesman" rather than a Minister. As with every other thing the Lib Dems touch, they are as equally incompetent with press releases.

There is nothing that Lib Dem wannabes like Andrew Martin can ever say that will turn back time on the massive betrayal that his party is, whether that includes tuition fees, VAT rises, cuts to winter fuel payments for pensioners or their entire economic policy torn up.


Keep seeking forgiveness Andrew - it aint gonna come anytime soon!
[quote][p][bold]AndrewMartinS[/bold] wrote: It is good to see the Lib Dems in Government delivering on millions of pounds of rail upgrades in the North West even before HS2 is considered, after years of neglect by previous Governments. I hope this also provides jobs for people in Bolton. Might have been nice to have a quote from someone who isn't Labour, given that this is Government money![/p][/quote]Oh spare us the sanctimonious moaning of Lib Dem hurt feelings! Don't blame the BN because the Government quote provided to them is from a "spokesman" rather than a Minister. As with every other thing the Lib Dems touch, they are as equally incompetent with press releases. There is nothing that Lib Dem wannabes like Andrew Martin can ever say that will turn back time on the massive betrayal that his party is, whether that includes tuition fees, VAT rises, cuts to winter fuel payments for pensioners or their entire economic policy torn up. Keep seeking forgiveness Andrew - it aint gonna come anytime soon! Malcolm Tucker

9:03am Fri 13 Dec 13

127001 says...

Here's an idea for that £37 million;

Forget the electric nonsense for now.
Instead buy in some train carriages which are desperately needed for ALL services in and out of Bolton.

If necessary bring some steam trains into service again - that'll add some character to the town centre too! (I do love the sound of a locomotive).
Here's an idea for that £37 million; Forget the electric nonsense for now. Instead buy in some train carriages which are desperately needed for ALL services in and out of Bolton. If necessary bring some steam trains into service again - that'll add some character to the town centre too! (I do love the sound of a locomotive). 127001

9:07am Fri 13 Dec 13

stereo_world says...

To be honest with you, I'd have felt spending money on the Clitheroe > Victoria line would prove much more beneficial. I'm not an engineer, I'm not an expert so I can't even begin to compare the price.

The line, considering its daily usage, is WAY out of date. Those dingy, stinky 2 carriage trains need to be taken off the network, they really do. Plus, with the recent refurbishment of Salford Crescent, Salford Central + the current work going on at Victoria, it really needs it. I can't really speak for the Bolton > Clitheroe stations, so that could be a reason.

Saying that, the Wigan line is exactly the same - I just feel this one would have more priority.
To be honest with you, I'd have felt spending money on the Clitheroe > Victoria line would prove much more beneficial. I'm not an engineer, I'm not an expert so I can't even begin to compare the price. The line, considering its daily usage, is WAY out of date. Those dingy, stinky 2 carriage trains need to be taken off the network, they really do. Plus, with the recent refurbishment of Salford Crescent, Salford Central + the current work going on at Victoria, it really needs it. I can't really speak for the Bolton > Clitheroe stations, so that could be a reason. Saying that, the Wigan line is exactly the same - I just feel this one would have more priority. stereo_world

9:24am Fri 13 Dec 13

stereo_world says...

127001 wrote:
Here's an idea for that £37 million;

Forget the electric nonsense for now.
Instead buy in some train carriages which are desperately needed for ALL services in and out of Bolton.

If necessary bring some steam trains into service again - that'll add some character to the town centre too! (I do love the sound of a locomotive).
Actually forget my idea, take his! Screw the cost, let's bring steam locomotives back! :-D
[quote][p][bold]127001[/bold] wrote: Here's an idea for that £37 million; Forget the electric nonsense for now. Instead buy in some train carriages which are desperately needed for ALL services in and out of Bolton. If necessary bring some steam trains into service again - that'll add some character to the town centre too! (I do love the sound of a locomotive).[/p][/quote]Actually forget my idea, take his! Screw the cost, let's bring steam locomotives back! :-D stereo_world

9:30am Fri 13 Dec 13

Jim271 says...

Another white elephant like the Metrolink.

I keep wanting everyone to start singing the Simpsons Monorail song.
Another white elephant like the Metrolink. I keep wanting everyone to start singing the Simpsons Monorail song. Jim271

10:09am Fri 13 Dec 13

Bob Shaftoe says...

Jim271 wrote:
Another white elephant like the Metrolink.

I keep wanting everyone to start singing the Simpsons Monorail song.
White elephant?
The only dumbo in this story is you jimbob.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Another white elephant like the Metrolink. I keep wanting everyone to start singing the Simpsons Monorail song.[/p][/quote]White elephant? The only dumbo in this story is you jimbob. Bob Shaftoe

11:38am Fri 13 Dec 13

Jim271 says...

Wow Bob, why don't you wait for Oscar Wilde to turn up so you can compare quotes.

Clown
Wow Bob, why don't you wait for Oscar Wilde to turn up so you can compare quotes. Clown Jim271

1:18pm Fri 13 Dec 13

DC Ferret says...

Jim271 wrote:
Another white elephant like the Metrolink. I keep wanting everyone to start singing the Simpsons Monorail song.
The Simpsons monorail comparison doesn't work unless it's an issue to do with unnecessary competition between small towns, which this is not. Please try to think before being clever, it just highlights how unimaginative and mediocre you are
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Another white elephant like the Metrolink. I keep wanting everyone to start singing the Simpsons Monorail song.[/p][/quote]The Simpsons monorail comparison doesn't work unless it's an issue to do with unnecessary competition between small towns, which this is not. Please try to think before being clever, it just highlights how unimaginative and mediocre you are DC Ferret

1:30pm Fri 13 Dec 13

thealexweb says...

Jim271 wrote:
Another white elephant like the Metrolink.

I keep wanting everyone to start singing the Simpsons Monorail song.
How is the Metrolink a white elephant? Its been operational for ages and is really well used.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Another white elephant like the Metrolink. I keep wanting everyone to start singing the Simpsons Monorail song.[/p][/quote]How is the Metrolink a white elephant? Its been operational for ages and is really well used. thealexweb

1:33pm Fri 13 Dec 13

thealexweb says...

127001 wrote:
Here's an idea for that £37 million;

Forget the electric nonsense for now.
Instead buy in some train carriages which are desperately needed for ALL services in and out of Bolton.

If necessary bring some steam trains into service again - that'll add some character to the town centre too! (I do love the sound of a locomotive).
Why buy manufacture new diesels when we can hold out for cheaper, faster electric trains? If you wanted to stick with diesel ticket prices would rise faster in the long term. And as for steam no, just no. There are no UK coal mines currently open that produce coal of a high enough quality. It must all be imported from the continuent. Running steam engines is amazingly expensive. But if you would be prepared to accept a doubling in ticket prices it could be done.
[quote][p][bold]127001[/bold] wrote: Here's an idea for that £37 million; Forget the electric nonsense for now. Instead buy in some train carriages which are desperately needed for ALL services in and out of Bolton. If necessary bring some steam trains into service again - that'll add some character to the town centre too! (I do love the sound of a locomotive).[/p][/quote]Why buy manufacture new diesels when we can hold out for cheaper, faster electric trains? If you wanted to stick with diesel ticket prices would rise faster in the long term. And as for steam no, just no. There are no UK coal mines currently open that produce coal of a high enough quality. It must all be imported from the continuent. Running steam engines is amazingly expensive. But if you would be prepared to accept a doubling in ticket prices it could be done. thealexweb

2:09pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Replytohatersandscum says...

why cant we comment on the white christian terrorist trying to plant bombs in post boxes and notice how this guy is called "a man " and not a terrorist
theres double standards for you
why cant we comment on the white christian terrorist trying to plant bombs in post boxes and notice how this guy is called "a man " and not a terrorist theres double standards for you Replytohatersandscum

3:04pm Fri 13 Dec 13

stereo_world says...

thealexweb wrote:
127001 wrote:
Here's an idea for that £37 million;

Forget the electric nonsense for now.
Instead buy in some train carriages which are desperately needed for ALL services in and out of Bolton.

If necessary bring some steam trains into service again - that'll add some character to the town centre too! (I do love the sound of a locomotive).
Why buy manufacture new diesels when we can hold out for cheaper, faster electric trains? If you wanted to stick with diesel ticket prices would rise faster in the long term. And as for steam no, just no. There are no UK coal mines currently open that produce coal of a high enough quality. It must all be imported from the continuent. Running steam engines is amazingly expensive. But if you would be prepared to accept a doubling in ticket prices it could be done.
I think he was joking, friend.
[quote][p][bold]thealexweb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]127001[/bold] wrote: Here's an idea for that £37 million; Forget the electric nonsense for now. Instead buy in some train carriages which are desperately needed for ALL services in and out of Bolton. If necessary bring some steam trains into service again - that'll add some character to the town centre too! (I do love the sound of a locomotive).[/p][/quote]Why buy manufacture new diesels when we can hold out for cheaper, faster electric trains? If you wanted to stick with diesel ticket prices would rise faster in the long term. And as for steam no, just no. There are no UK coal mines currently open that produce coal of a high enough quality. It must all be imported from the continuent. Running steam engines is amazingly expensive. But if you would be prepared to accept a doubling in ticket prices it could be done.[/p][/quote]I think he was joking, friend. stereo_world

3:29pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Recedevist says...

Correct me if I am wrong but do not trains between Bolton & Wigan use Wigan Wallgate station not Wigan North West? Perhaps they are going to re-align the track.
Correct me if I am wrong but do not trains between Bolton & Wigan use Wigan Wallgate station not Wigan North West? Perhaps they are going to re-align the track. Recedevist

4:14pm Fri 13 Dec 13

thealexweb says...

Recedevist wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but do not trains between Bolton & Wigan use Wigan Wallgate station not Wigan North West? Perhaps they are going to re-align the track.
Good question. Most trains from Bolton use Wigan Wallgate however three trains per day go from Bolton to Wigan North Western. There is a single line of connecting track that allows Wigan bound trains to use either station.
[quote][p][bold]Recedevist[/bold] wrote: Correct me if I am wrong but do not trains between Bolton & Wigan use Wigan Wallgate station not Wigan North West? Perhaps they are going to re-align the track.[/p][/quote]Good question. Most trains from Bolton use Wigan Wallgate however three trains per day go from Bolton to Wigan North Western. There is a single line of connecting track that allows Wigan bound trains to use either station. thealexweb

4:27pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Rivington_Pike says...

Recedevist wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but do not trains between Bolton & Wigan use Wigan Wallgate station not Wigan North West? Perhaps they are going to re-align the track.
I believe just the 07:01 uses Northwestern. It then returns to Manchester Victoria at 07:22. The reason being it avoids a clash with the Victoria to Southport via Atherton in Wallgate.
[quote][p][bold]Recedevist[/bold] wrote: Correct me if I am wrong but do not trains between Bolton & Wigan use Wigan Wallgate station not Wigan North West? Perhaps they are going to re-align the track.[/p][/quote]I believe just the 07:01 uses Northwestern. It then returns to Manchester Victoria at 07:22. The reason being it avoids a clash with the Victoria to Southport via Atherton in Wallgate. Rivington_Pike

7:14pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Ernagy2 says...

Rivington_Pike wrote:
Recedevist wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but do not trains between Bolton & Wigan use Wigan Wallgate station not Wigan North West? Perhaps they are going to re-align the track.
I believe just the 07:01 uses Northwestern. It then returns to Manchester Victoria at 07:22. The reason being it avoids a clash with the Victoria to Southport via Atherton in Wallgate.
They don't have to, as trains can already be diverted to Wigan North western anyway. Occasionally trains going through Bolton and into Liverpool do this already, they don't have to go to Wigan Wallgate.

This though is bad news for the Daisy Hill - which is part of Bolton and no mention is made in reports as to the overcrowding on those trains - typical Bolton News only ever half story never the full picture!

Another point is why they can't reopen the platform at Lostock, which would give people in the area a wider range of places to go to and would allow people from Westhoughton to get to Preston without going into Bolton and could also mean more space for the public who catch the train at Lostock when returning from Manchester - it's not just overcrowded at Bolton station.

Rant over
[quote][p][bold]Rivington_Pike[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Recedevist[/bold] wrote: Correct me if I am wrong but do not trains between Bolton & Wigan use Wigan Wallgate station not Wigan North West? Perhaps they are going to re-align the track.[/p][/quote]I believe just the 07:01 uses Northwestern. It then returns to Manchester Victoria at 07:22. The reason being it avoids a clash with the Victoria to Southport via Atherton in Wallgate.[/p][/quote]They don't have to, as trains can already be diverted to Wigan North western anyway. Occasionally trains going through Bolton and into Liverpool do this already, they don't have to go to Wigan Wallgate. This though is bad news for the Daisy Hill - which is part of Bolton and no mention is made in reports as to the overcrowding on those trains - typical Bolton News only ever half story never the full picture! Another point is why they can't reopen the platform at Lostock, which would give people in the area a wider range of places to go to and would allow people from Westhoughton to get to Preston without going into Bolton and could also mean more space for the public who catch the train at Lostock when returning from Manchester - it's not just overcrowded at Bolton station. Rant over Ernagy2

7:47pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Rivington_Pike says...

I believe Lostock platform re-opening is planned (probably no money as yet) and the line from Salford Cres to Hindley is to be a "Train / Tram" service at some point in the future. http://www.pteg.net/
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I believe Lostock platform re-opening is planned (probably no money as yet) and the line from Salford Cres to Hindley is to be a "Train / Tram" service at some point in the future. http://www.pteg.net/ resources/types/brie fings/tram-trains-su burban-station-heart -city Rivington_Pike

8:48am Sat 14 Dec 13

127001 says...

stereo_world wrote:
thealexweb wrote:
127001 wrote:
Here's an idea for that £37 million;

Forget the electric nonsense for now.
Instead buy in some train carriages which are desperately needed for ALL services in and out of Bolton.

If necessary bring some steam trains into service again - that'll add some character to the town centre too! (I do love the sound of a locomotive).
Why buy manufacture new diesels when we can hold out for cheaper, faster electric trains? If you wanted to stick with diesel ticket prices would rise faster in the long term. And as for steam no, just no. There are no UK coal mines currently open that produce coal of a high enough quality. It must all be imported from the continuent. Running steam engines is amazingly expensive. But if you would be prepared to accept a doubling in ticket prices it could be done.
I think he was joking, friend.
well, yes and no really. £37m is a lot of money - I just feel the whole thing (including the new transport hub) is spending money in the wrong places.

It might be nice having a modern hub but when there aren't even enough trains to carry customers in the first place it's just plain daft!

Anyway, I don't mind shovelling some coal into the furnace! :)
[quote][p][bold]stereo_world[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thealexweb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]127001[/bold] wrote: Here's an idea for that £37 million; Forget the electric nonsense for now. Instead buy in some train carriages which are desperately needed for ALL services in and out of Bolton. If necessary bring some steam trains into service again - that'll add some character to the town centre too! (I do love the sound of a locomotive).[/p][/quote]Why buy manufacture new diesels when we can hold out for cheaper, faster electric trains? If you wanted to stick with diesel ticket prices would rise faster in the long term. And as for steam no, just no. There are no UK coal mines currently open that produce coal of a high enough quality. It must all be imported from the continuent. Running steam engines is amazingly expensive. But if you would be prepared to accept a doubling in ticket prices it could be done.[/p][/quote]I think he was joking, friend.[/p][/quote]well, yes and no really. £37m is a lot of money - I just feel the whole thing (including the new transport hub) is spending money in the wrong places. It might be nice having a modern hub but when there aren't even enough trains to carry customers in the first place it's just plain daft! Anyway, I don't mind shovelling some coal into the furnace! :) 127001

6:30pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Ernagy2 says...

Rivington_Pike wrote:
I believe Lostock platform re-opening is planned (probably no money as yet) and the line from Salford Cres to Hindley is to be a "Train / Tram" service at some point in the future. http://www.pteg.net/

resources/types/brie

fings/tram-trains-su

burban-station-heart

-city
When asked about the future of the Manchester to Wigan via Atherton train line by the present transport authority, they have always denied any plans for that line to become a tram line. They thought about it years ago but it would be too costly and it is now a very profitable line. They also have run cross country trains through from time to time so I think it's too valuable to give away as a tram line now.

The reopening of the Lostock platform - if it ever happens would be very good news.
[quote][p][bold]Rivington_Pike[/bold] wrote: I believe Lostock platform re-opening is planned (probably no money as yet) and the line from Salford Cres to Hindley is to be a "Train / Tram" service at some point in the future. http://www.pteg.net/ resources/types/brie fings/tram-trains-su burban-station-heart -city[/p][/quote]When asked about the future of the Manchester to Wigan via Atherton train line by the present transport authority, they have always denied any plans for that line to become a tram line. They thought about it years ago but it would be too costly and it is now a very profitable line. They also have run cross country trains through from time to time so I think it's too valuable to give away as a tram line now. The reopening of the Lostock platform - if it ever happens would be very good news. Ernagy2

7:54pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Ernagy2 says...

127001 wrote:
stereo_world wrote:
thealexweb wrote:
127001 wrote:
Here's an idea for that £37 million;

Forget the electric nonsense for now.
Instead buy in some train carriages which are desperately needed for ALL services in and out of Bolton.

If necessary bring some steam trains into service again - that'll add some character to the town centre too! (I do love the sound of a locomotive).
Why buy manufacture new diesels when we can hold out for cheaper, faster electric trains? If you wanted to stick with diesel ticket prices would rise faster in the long term. And as for steam no, just no. There are no UK coal mines currently open that produce coal of a high enough quality. It must all be imported from the continuent. Running steam engines is amazingly expensive. But if you would be prepared to accept a doubling in ticket prices it could be done.
I think he was joking, friend.
well, yes and no really. £37m is a lot of money - I just feel the whole thing (including the new transport hub) is spending money in the wrong places.

It might be nice having a modern hub but when there aren't even enough trains to carry customers in the first place it's just plain daft!

Anyway, I don't mind shovelling some coal into the furnace! :)
The £37 million is a separate budget from the transport hub, which is a local authority project. Lets not get the transport hub mixed up with the electrification of the line. The electrification line is way over due Government policy and should have been done in the 60's.

Having said that Bolton has talked about the trains and buses being together for 50 years as well, perhaps both are over due. There are plenty of trains available, it's whether Government are prepared to release them - but that's another story
[quote][p][bold]127001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stereo_world[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thealexweb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]127001[/bold] wrote: Here's an idea for that £37 million; Forget the electric nonsense for now. Instead buy in some train carriages which are desperately needed for ALL services in and out of Bolton. If necessary bring some steam trains into service again - that'll add some character to the town centre too! (I do love the sound of a locomotive).[/p][/quote]Why buy manufacture new diesels when we can hold out for cheaper, faster electric trains? If you wanted to stick with diesel ticket prices would rise faster in the long term. And as for steam no, just no. There are no UK coal mines currently open that produce coal of a high enough quality. It must all be imported from the continuent. Running steam engines is amazingly expensive. But if you would be prepared to accept a doubling in ticket prices it could be done.[/p][/quote]I think he was joking, friend.[/p][/quote]well, yes and no really. £37m is a lot of money - I just feel the whole thing (including the new transport hub) is spending money in the wrong places. It might be nice having a modern hub but when there aren't even enough trains to carry customers in the first place it's just plain daft! Anyway, I don't mind shovelling some coal into the furnace! :)[/p][/quote]The £37 million is a separate budget from the transport hub, which is a local authority project. Lets not get the transport hub mixed up with the electrification of the line. The electrification line is way over due Government policy and should have been done in the 60's. Having said that Bolton has talked about the trains and buses being together for 50 years as well, perhaps both are over due. There are plenty of trains available, it's whether Government are prepared to release them - but that's another story Ernagy2

7:59pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Ernagy2 says...

stereo_world wrote:
To be honest with you, I'd have felt spending money on the Clitheroe > Victoria line would prove much more beneficial. I'm not an engineer, I'm not an expert so I can't even begin to compare the price.

The line, considering its daily usage, is WAY out of date. Those dingy, stinky 2 carriage trains need to be taken off the network, they really do. Plus, with the recent refurbishment of Salford Crescent, Salford Central + the current work going on at Victoria, it really needs it. I can't really speak for the Bolton > Clitheroe stations, so that could be a reason.

Saying that, the Wigan line is exactly the same - I just feel this one would have more priority.
The Clitheroe line is way under used compared to the Wigan Line. I have been on both having lived at Bromley Cross and Westhoughton and have also used the trains from Bolton station in the past.
[quote][p][bold]stereo_world[/bold] wrote: To be honest with you, I'd have felt spending money on the Clitheroe > Victoria line would prove much more beneficial. I'm not an engineer, I'm not an expert so I can't even begin to compare the price. The line, considering its daily usage, is WAY out of date. Those dingy, stinky 2 carriage trains need to be taken off the network, they really do. Plus, with the recent refurbishment of Salford Crescent, Salford Central + the current work going on at Victoria, it really needs it. I can't really speak for the Bolton > Clitheroe stations, so that could be a reason. Saying that, the Wigan line is exactly the same - I just feel this one would have more priority.[/p][/quote]The Clitheroe line is way under used compared to the Wigan Line. I have been on both having lived at Bromley Cross and Westhoughton and have also used the trains from Bolton station in the past. Ernagy2

10:53pm Sun 15 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

Why only to Wigan North western and not through to Southport? So does that mean Bolton will become more of a district line station and lose even more destinations because of only being half-baked improvements?
Why only to Wigan North western and not through to Southport? So does that mean Bolton will become more of a district line station and lose even more destinations because of only being half-baked improvements? BWFC71

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