Horwich fishery's controversial cafe plan gets council backing

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A CONTROVERSIAL application to allow a Horwich fishery to open up its cafe to the public has been backed by councillors.

The cafe at Curley’s Fishery was only supposed to be used by fishermen using the lake, as allowed in the planning permission given back in 2008.

But planning officers took action after discovering members of the public were visiting the cafe and that a designated ‘classroom’ was being used for functions, weddings and wakes.

Following an enforcement notice, the fishery owners applied to change the restrictions of the permission to allow it to stay open until 8.30pm, and extend the use of the cafe and classroom to all.

They also sought permission to host businesses selling Christmas trees or ice creams from a mobile cart on the patio area.

Bolton Council planning officers called on councillors at Thursday’s meeting to refuse the application, arguing that any changes would constitute an inappropriate commercial development on green space land.

Gary Russell, on behalf of the Wallsuches Residents’ Group, said they strongly objected the changes: “The planning conditions were approved to prevent another retail business and to protect the residents from any growth from traffic and erratic parking, which we have experienced.

“It should remain a fishery, supported by the cafe, and we are against the growth in retail.”

But planning agent Frank Whittaker, for Curleys, said the maintenance of the landscape and fishery depended on the cafe, which could not be sustained by fishermen alone.

He said: “This cafe is an absolutely essential income to the whole fishery. Without it, that whole fishery cannot be sustained. If this goes, £600,000 of investment, full and part-time jobs, a family home and business will go down the tube.”

Councillors approved Curley’s bid to open up the restrictions, following more discussions with planning officers.

Cllr Bob Allen said: “It is naive to imagine that this is quality green space could be provided without some associated commercial activities.

“I’m happy to support this but I do think that we need to get the conditions right, so that the fishery has to continue – it can’t just disappear.”

Read more about the history of the fishery's expansion plans here:

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9:51am Mon 16 Dec 13

underwater says...

As an impartial observer it seems to me that whoever runs/owns Curlys Fisheries has done an absolutley cracking job , providing employment, and generating the wealth that pays the wages of these useless parasitic bureaucrats who live only through the hard graft and enterprise of such establishments.
As an impartial observer it seems to me that whoever runs/owns Curlys Fisheries has done an absolutley cracking job , providing employment, and generating the wealth that pays the wages of these useless parasitic bureaucrats who live only through the hard graft and enterprise of such establishments. underwater

11:17am Mon 16 Dec 13

boredofbolton says...

in what way is it controversial? local business is a success shocker!!!!
in what way is it controversial? local business is a success shocker!!!! boredofbolton

11:20am Mon 16 Dec 13

duggie67 says...

I have seen the work and investment put into curleys, and it has improved the area.
The only thing I would disagree with is the selling of Christmas trees.
A local farm to me in Kearsley started selling Christmas trees a couple of years ago and it has been a nightmare! lorries constantly delivering trees, no available parking because of people coming to buy them morning, noon, and night!
I have seen the work and investment put into curleys, and it has improved the area. The only thing I would disagree with is the selling of Christmas trees. A local farm to me in Kearsley started selling Christmas trees a couple of years ago and it has been a nightmare! lorries constantly delivering trees, no available parking because of people coming to buy them morning, noon, and night! duggie67

11:37am Mon 16 Dec 13

johnnywomble9 says...

duggie67 wrote:
I have seen the work and investment put into curleys, and it has improved the area. The only thing I would disagree with is the selling of Christmas trees. A local farm to me in Kearsley started selling Christmas trees a couple of years ago and it has been a nightmare! lorries constantly delivering trees, no available parking because of people coming to buy them morning, noon, and night!
For a whole month :-0
[quote][p][bold]duggie67[/bold] wrote: I have seen the work and investment put into curleys, and it has improved the area. The only thing I would disagree with is the selling of Christmas trees. A local farm to me in Kearsley started selling Christmas trees a couple of years ago and it has been a nightmare! lorries constantly delivering trees, no available parking because of people coming to buy them morning, noon, and night![/p][/quote]For a whole month :-0 johnnywomble9

12:10pm Mon 16 Dec 13

gladrill says...

This as been open to the public for ages. I thought it should not be there but thought they had planning. Some people think they are above those things. it should not be given. This is a conservation area.
This as been open to the public for ages. I thought it should not be there but thought they had planning. Some people think they are above those things. it should not be given. This is a conservation area. gladrill

12:57pm Mon 16 Dec 13

hoping4peace says...

the work thats been done is a credit to the owners, from a disused mill lodge, used for fly tipping,
i think its an asset tobe used by fishermen and walkers alike and should be seen as such.
good luck to them
the work thats been done is a credit to the owners, from a disused mill lodge, used for fly tipping, i think its an asset tobe used by fishermen and walkers alike and should be seen as such. good luck to them hoping4peace

2:17pm Mon 16 Dec 13

mr.mark.c says...

duggie67 wrote:
I have seen the work and investment put into curleys, and it has improved the area.
The only thing I would disagree with is the selling of Christmas trees.
A local farm to me in Kearsley started selling Christmas trees a couple of years ago and it has been a nightmare! lorries constantly delivering trees, no available parking because of people coming to buy them morning, noon, and night!
If its Spindle Point then I agree, I tried to take my son to the football pitch and could not get through.
I dread to think what it is like when parents are dropping off or picking up kids from the school at the same time.
[quote][p][bold]duggie67[/bold] wrote: I have seen the work and investment put into curleys, and it has improved the area. The only thing I would disagree with is the selling of Christmas trees. A local farm to me in Kearsley started selling Christmas trees a couple of years ago and it has been a nightmare! lorries constantly delivering trees, no available parking because of people coming to buy them morning, noon, and night![/p][/quote]If its Spindle Point then I agree, I tried to take my son to the football pitch and could not get through. I dread to think what it is like when parents are dropping off or picking up kids from the school at the same time. mr.mark.c

4:24pm Mon 16 Dec 13

deehat says...

Well done Bolton Councillors!! This project has transformed what was a disused reservoir (Which needed thousands of pounds spending on the valve and dam wall, and was regularly fished illegally) into a quality venue for fishing and a meeting point/ Cafe, the standard of finish in the buildings, furnishings and surrounding areas is top quality, it is well used and appreciated by walkers, locals and visitors from further afield - as the recent petition proved. I think the opposition from SOME of the local residents was unfounded as If I lived there I would prefer to look out onto a well run and maintained reservoir than one that would be poached and used during the night for who knows what. Well done Steve and family I am sure this outcome will ensure you and your family have a more relaxed Christmas than earlier anticipated.
Well done Bolton Councillors!! This project has transformed what was a disused reservoir (Which needed thousands of pounds spending on the valve and dam wall, and was regularly fished illegally) into a quality venue for fishing and a meeting point/ Cafe, the standard of finish in the buildings, furnishings and surrounding areas is top quality, it is well used and appreciated by walkers, locals and visitors from further afield - as the recent petition proved. I think the opposition from SOME of the local residents was unfounded as If I lived there I would prefer to look out onto a well run and maintained reservoir than one that would be poached and used during the night for who knows what. Well done Steve and family I am sure this outcome will ensure you and your family have a more relaxed Christmas than earlier anticipated. deehat

4:58pm Mon 16 Dec 13

lv8151 says...

who in their right mind could of objected to this .... it used to be such a run down place .... now look at it .... well done to all involved .... just wish more places like this could get transform to this sort of quality
who in their right mind could of objected to this .... it used to be such a run down place .... now look at it .... well done to all involved .... just wish more places like this could get transform to this sort of quality lv8151

6:21pm Mon 16 Dec 13

wsw69 says...

duggie67 wrote:
I have seen the work and investment put into curleys, and it has improved the area.
The only thing I would disagree with is the selling of Christmas trees.
A local farm to me in Kearsley started selling Christmas trees a couple of years ago and it has been a nightmare! lorries constantly delivering trees, no available parking because of people coming to buy them morning, noon, and night!
By far the majority of the trees Curleys sell are delivered. There IS NOT a constant stream of delivery wagons delivering trees. There is a good parking area off the road from Wallsuches. Only when it gets very busy do some people park on the left side of Wallsuches which in no way restricts any residents access. Even the bin lorry has no problem, ONLY those buffoons down Wallsuches.
[quote][p][bold]duggie67[/bold] wrote: I have seen the work and investment put into curleys, and it has improved the area. The only thing I would disagree with is the selling of Christmas trees. A local farm to me in Kearsley started selling Christmas trees a couple of years ago and it has been a nightmare! lorries constantly delivering trees, no available parking because of people coming to buy them morning, noon, and night![/p][/quote]By far the majority of the trees Curleys sell are delivered. There IS NOT a constant stream of delivery wagons delivering trees. There is a good parking area off the road from Wallsuches. Only when it gets very busy do some people park on the left side of Wallsuches which in no way restricts any residents access. Even the bin lorry has no problem, ONLY those buffoons down Wallsuches. wsw69

6:22pm Mon 16 Dec 13

wsw69 says...

gladrill wrote:
This as been open to the public for ages. I thought it should not be there but thought they had planning. Some people think they are above those things. it should not be given. This is a conservation area.
You don't know the full facts by a mile off.
[quote][p][bold]gladrill[/bold] wrote: This as been open to the public for ages. I thought it should not be there but thought they had planning. Some people think they are above those things. it should not be given. This is a conservation area.[/p][/quote]You don't know the full facts by a mile off. wsw69

6:29pm Mon 16 Dec 13

mr.mark.c says...

wsw69 wrote:
duggie67 wrote:
I have seen the work and investment put into curleys, and it has improved the area.
The only thing I would disagree with is the selling of Christmas trees.
A local farm to me in Kearsley started selling Christmas trees a couple of years ago and it has been a nightmare! lorries constantly delivering trees, no available parking because of people coming to buy them morning, noon, and night!
By far the majority of the trees Curleys sell are delivered. There IS NOT a constant stream of delivery wagons delivering trees. There is a good parking area off the road from Wallsuches. Only when it gets very busy do some people park on the left side of Wallsuches which in no way restricts any residents access. Even the bin lorry has no problem, ONLY those buffoons down Wallsuches.
I believe duggie was only commenting on his local issue with regard tree sales and I agreed.
As for curleys, I stop at the butty van quite often and have done for near 18 years and to be honest I didnt even know there was a fishery.
So go figure that one.
[quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]duggie67[/bold] wrote: I have seen the work and investment put into curleys, and it has improved the area. The only thing I would disagree with is the selling of Christmas trees. A local farm to me in Kearsley started selling Christmas trees a couple of years ago and it has been a nightmare! lorries constantly delivering trees, no available parking because of people coming to buy them morning, noon, and night![/p][/quote]By far the majority of the trees Curleys sell are delivered. There IS NOT a constant stream of delivery wagons delivering trees. There is a good parking area off the road from Wallsuches. Only when it gets very busy do some people park on the left side of Wallsuches which in no way restricts any residents access. Even the bin lorry has no problem, ONLY those buffoons down Wallsuches.[/p][/quote]I believe duggie was only commenting on his local issue with regard tree sales and I agreed. As for curleys, I stop at the butty van quite often and have done for near 18 years and to be honest I didnt even know there was a fishery. So go figure that one. mr.mark.c

6:56pm Mon 16 Dec 13

boydell says...

Perhaps "Steve" is TOO british a name. Perhaps if he changed it to some foreign name he would not be having all this trouble.
I have been to Curleys for a meal and it was really lovely. The place is spotless. We could do with more places like this in Bolton. God knows we are short of good eating places.
Anyway, whats wrong with having an eating place surrounded by greenspace. Rivington has two barns which offer food that I know of and that has not caused any problems. Leave this man alone to continue with the good job he is doing.
Perhaps "Steve" is TOO british a name. Perhaps if he changed it to some foreign name he would not be having all this trouble. I have been to Curleys for a meal and it was really lovely. The place is spotless. We could do with more places like this in Bolton. God knows we are short of good eating places. Anyway, whats wrong with having an eating place surrounded by greenspace. Rivington has two barns which offer food that I know of and that has not caused any problems. Leave this man alone to continue with the good job he is doing. boydell

7:51pm Mon 16 Dec 13

lv8151 says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
wsw69 wrote:
duggie67 wrote:
I have seen the work and investment put into curleys, and it has improved the area.
The only thing I would disagree with is the selling of Christmas trees.
A local farm to me in Kearsley started selling Christmas trees a couple of years ago and it has been a nightmare! lorries constantly delivering trees, no available parking because of people coming to buy them morning, noon, and night!
By far the majority of the trees Curleys sell are delivered. There IS NOT a constant stream of delivery wagons delivering trees. There is a good parking area off the road from Wallsuches. Only when it gets very busy do some people park on the left side of Wallsuches which in no way restricts any residents access. Even the bin lorry has no problem, ONLY those buffoons down Wallsuches.
I believe duggie was only commenting on his local issue with regard tree sales and I agreed.
As for curleys, I stop at the butty van quite often and have done for near 18 years and to be honest I didnt even know there was a fishery.
So go figure that one.
maybe you should take a 30 second walk from the butty van next time you are there and check curlys lodges and cafe out .... you will be impressed how great this little hidden treasure is
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]duggie67[/bold] wrote: I have seen the work and investment put into curleys, and it has improved the area. The only thing I would disagree with is the selling of Christmas trees. A local farm to me in Kearsley started selling Christmas trees a couple of years ago and it has been a nightmare! lorries constantly delivering trees, no available parking because of people coming to buy them morning, noon, and night![/p][/quote]By far the majority of the trees Curleys sell are delivered. There IS NOT a constant stream of delivery wagons delivering trees. There is a good parking area off the road from Wallsuches. Only when it gets very busy do some people park on the left side of Wallsuches which in no way restricts any residents access. Even the bin lorry has no problem, ONLY those buffoons down Wallsuches.[/p][/quote]I believe duggie was only commenting on his local issue with regard tree sales and I agreed. As for curleys, I stop at the butty van quite often and have done for near 18 years and to be honest I didnt even know there was a fishery. So go figure that one.[/p][/quote]maybe you should take a 30 second walk from the butty van next time you are there and check curlys lodges and cafe out .... you will be impressed how great this little hidden treasure is lv8151

2:03pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Rememberscarborough says...

Surely the new brick building required planning permission prior to being built 12 months ago so why wasn't this dealt with at the time? The Bolton public clearly love the place so this can only be a case of dotting the "eyes"....
Surely the new brick building required planning permission prior to being built 12 months ago so why wasn't this dealt with at the time? The Bolton public clearly love the place so this can only be a case of dotting the "eyes".... Rememberscarborough

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