UPDATE: Woman trapped in flat after arsonists set fire to bins

The Bolton News: Fire damage at the flats in Drayton Close, Halliwell Fire damage at the flats in Drayton Close, Halliwell

A WOMAN was trapped in her flat as it filled with smoke after arsonists started a bin blaze.

Ann Davey was in bed at her home in Drayton Close, Halliwell, when vandals started the fire outside her neighbour’s home at 1am yesterday.

The 64-year-old was woken and tried to flee her home — but was unable to get out because of the thick, black smoke.

Neighbours called firefighters, who evacuated some of the flats.

A fire service spokesman said: “We believe empty television packaging was deliberately set alight in the small brick outbuilding.

“Police also attended and the matter has now been passed over to them to investigate.”

The bins are in a compound in the block of flats.

Police have launched an investigation and Mrs Davey’s daughter, Patricia Buchanan, said she fears her mother will no longer feel safe in the flat.

She added: “My mum came down the stairs but then she couldn’t see because the smoke was that thick.

“She then went back up again and got trapped.

“Thank goodness no-one has been fatally injured but we might not be so lucky next time.

“According to the firefighters another 10 minutes and mum might not have survived.”

Lynn Williams, whose flat was targeted, also had to flee her home and two other women had also escaped their flats when firefighters arrived.

She said: “My alarm went off and I could hear my neighbour hammering on the door, saying ‘Lynn you are on fire’.

“I came down and it was just ablaze but the door to the store was shut so I was able to get out.

“I went across to my son’s as the firefighters and police were here until about four in the morning.

“I have gone hoarse with all the smoke, as it got everywhere.

“I don’t know what fun the culprits get out of it as they don’t even stick around to see what’s happened.

“But for my alarm going off I would not have known and my flat could easily have caught fire inside.

“There is something very wrong with these people.”

The charred wreckage has been left outside the front of Ms Williams’ flat, which has suffered extensive smoke damage inside.

Alfie Costello, another of Mr Davey’s neighbours, said the same thing happened to his flat a few years before he moved in and said bin compounds need to be locked up.


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He added: “I’m just worried for the older people that live round here, who might be unable to get out.

“The smoke can kill them, never mind the fire.”

In June, 2008, a wheelie bin was set on fire next to a house in Little Holme Walk, in Great Lever.

The fire claimed the lives 71-year-old Hameeda Begum and her four-year-old granddaughter Alana Mian.

In October, firefighters had to evacuate people living in Bexley House, Kenton Close, Halliwell, after yobs set a disused bin store on fire.

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11:03am Tue 17 Dec 13

atlas123 says...

It must have taken a while for the London Fire Service to get to this job (pictured).


You have to be careful when you have a fire these days. If it is one of the days the firemen are having a rest....sorry sorry..a skiver....sorrry... grumbling about their generous pensions......oops i mean...on strike they done bother turning out.


Fire on strike over xmas

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2524960/Firemen-stri
ke-Christmas.html
It must have taken a while for the London Fire Service to get to this job (pictured). You have to be careful when you have a fire these days. If it is one of the days the firemen are having a rest....sorry sorry..a skiver....sorrry... grumbling about their generous pensions......oops i mean...on strike they done bother turning out. Fire on strike over xmas http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2524960/Firemen-stri ke-Christmas.html atlas123

11:23am Tue 17 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

atlas123 wrote:
It must have taken a while for the London Fire Service to get to this job (pictured). You have to be careful when you have a fire these days. If it is one of the days the firemen are having a rest....sorry sorry..a skiver....sorrry... grumbling about their generous pensions......oops i mean...on strike they done bother turning out. Fire on strike over xmas http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2524960/Firemen-stri ke-Christmas.html
Bet they are making a fortune on their second and third jobs while they are off.....
[quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: It must have taken a while for the London Fire Service to get to this job (pictured). You have to be careful when you have a fire these days. If it is one of the days the firemen are having a rest....sorry sorry..a skiver....sorrry... grumbling about their generous pensions......oops i mean...on strike they done bother turning out. Fire on strike over xmas http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2524960/Firemen-stri ke-Christmas.html[/p][/quote]Bet they are making a fortune on their second and third jobs while they are off..... thomas222

12:25pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Hotblue says...

Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....!
Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....! Hotblue

12:53pm Tue 17 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

Hotblue wrote:
Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....!
So only firemen work do they?
[quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....![/p][/quote]So only firemen work do they? thomas222

1:17pm Tue 17 Dec 13

boltonnut says...

Strike a light.
Strike a light. boltonnut

2:55pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Hotblue says...

thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....!
So only firemen work do they?
Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....![/p][/quote]So only firemen work do they?[/p][/quote]Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment Hotblue

5:31pm Tue 17 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....!
So only firemen work do they?
Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment
If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course!
[quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....![/p][/quote]So only firemen work do they?[/p][/quote]Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment[/p][/quote]If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course! thomas222

6:38pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Hotblue says...

thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....!
So only firemen work do they?
Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment
If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course!
Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....![/p][/quote]So only firemen work do they?[/p][/quote]Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment[/p][/quote]If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course![/p][/quote]Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are Hotblue

8:34am Wed 18 Dec 13

Jim271 says...

My comment regarding certain groups attempting to force people to move house has been removed.

Head in the sand Bolton News, the people know exactly what's going on around Halliwell.
My comment regarding certain groups attempting to force people to move house has been removed. Head in the sand Bolton News, the people know exactly what's going on around Halliwell. Jim271

8:50am Wed 18 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....!
So only firemen work do they?
Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment
If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course!
Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are
Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!!
[quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....![/p][/quote]So only firemen work do they?[/p][/quote]Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment[/p][/quote]If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course![/p][/quote]Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are[/p][/quote]Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!! thomas222

9:14am Wed 18 Dec 13

Hotblue says...

thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....!
So only firemen work do they?
Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment
If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course!
Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are
Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!!
Just because others have taken a hit why should firefighters have to take one....?????? They and teachers are the only ones still able to fight for what they in my opinion deserve....... And I will back them all the way .....
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....![/p][/quote]So only firemen work do they?[/p][/quote]Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment[/p][/quote]If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course![/p][/quote]Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are[/p][/quote]Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!![/p][/quote]Just because others have taken a hit why should firefighters have to take one....?????? They and teachers are the only ones still able to fight for what they in my opinion deserve....... And I will back them all the way ..... Hotblue

9:21am Wed 18 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....!
So only firemen work do they?
Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment
If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course!
Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are
Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!!
Just because others have taken a hit why should firefighters have to take one....?????? They and teachers are the only ones still able to fight for what they in my opinion deserve....... And I will back them all the way .....
Teachers like Firemen are very well paid and you are in the minority with your views. Hope you dont get to upset when your next door neighbour is off to tenerife yet again while you are working until your 70 yrs old.
[quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....![/p][/quote]So only firemen work do they?[/p][/quote]Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment[/p][/quote]If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course![/p][/quote]Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are[/p][/quote]Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!![/p][/quote]Just because others have taken a hit why should firefighters have to take one....?????? They and teachers are the only ones still able to fight for what they in my opinion deserve....... And I will back them all the way .....[/p][/quote]Teachers like Firemen are very well paid and you are in the minority with your views. Hope you dont get to upset when your next door neighbour is off to tenerife yet again while you are working until your 70 yrs old. thomas222

11:47am Wed 18 Dec 13

Hotblue says...

thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....!
So only firemen work do they?
Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment
If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course!
Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are
Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!!
Just because others have taken a hit why should firefighters have to take one....?????? They and teachers are the only ones still able to fight for what they in my opinion deserve....... And I will back them all the way .....
Teachers like Firemen are very well paid and you are in the minority with your views. Hope you dont get to upset when your next door neighbour is off to tenerife yet again while you are working until your 70 yrs old.
To be quite honest I wouldn't do what firefighters have to do for the £400 per week which is what they get......., and to be quite honest I wouldn't do my job as a plumber for that....... Teachers by the way get paid more than firefighters....., as for me being in a minority in my views on the contrary I think you are in the minority... Decent folk have respect for all our Emergancy service personnel and only small minded bigots try to play down the role they have in society....... Oh and don't worry about me being sad about my neighbour jetting off to Tenerife .......I won't be as when I reach 60 I will be spending 9 months of the year in my villa in Murcia soaking up the Spanish sun....which I am looking forward to as I only get out there for around 8 weeks each year at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....![/p][/quote]So only firemen work do they?[/p][/quote]Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment[/p][/quote]If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course![/p][/quote]Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are[/p][/quote]Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!![/p][/quote]Just because others have taken a hit why should firefighters have to take one....?????? They and teachers are the only ones still able to fight for what they in my opinion deserve....... And I will back them all the way .....[/p][/quote]Teachers like Firemen are very well paid and you are in the minority with your views. Hope you dont get to upset when your next door neighbour is off to tenerife yet again while you are working until your 70 yrs old.[/p][/quote]To be quite honest I wouldn't do what firefighters have to do for the £400 per week which is what they get......., and to be quite honest I wouldn't do my job as a plumber for that....... Teachers by the way get paid more than firefighters....., as for me being in a minority in my views on the contrary I think you are in the minority... Decent folk have respect for all our Emergancy service personnel and only small minded bigots try to play down the role they have in society....... Oh and don't worry about me being sad about my neighbour jetting off to Tenerife .......I won't be as when I reach 60 I will be spending 9 months of the year in my villa in Murcia soaking up the Spanish sun....which I am looking forward to as I only get out there for around 8 weeks each year at the moment. Hotblue

12:03pm Wed 18 Dec 13

lv8151 says...

Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....!
So only firemen work do they?
Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment
If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course!
Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are
Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!!
Just because others have taken a hit why should firefighters have to take one....?????? They and teachers are the only ones still able to fight for what they in my opinion deserve....... And I will back them all the way .....
Teachers like Firemen are very well paid and you are in the minority with your views. Hope you dont get to upset when your next door neighbour is off to tenerife yet again while you are working until your 70 yrs old.
To be quite honest I wouldn't do what firefighters have to do for the £400 per week which is what they get......., and to be quite honest I wouldn't do my job as a plumber for that....... Teachers by the way get paid more than firefighters....., as for me being in a minority in my views on the contrary I think you are in the minority... Decent folk have respect for all our Emergancy service personnel and only small minded bigots try to play down the role they have in society....... Oh and don't worry about me being sad about my neighbour jetting off to Tenerife .......I won't be as when I reach 60 I will be spending 9 months of the year in my villa in Murcia soaking up the Spanish sun....which I am looking forward to as I only get out there for around 8 weeks each year at the moment.
There is a nationally agreed salary structure for firefighters. The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £21,157. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £28,199. Higher rates apply for overtime.

£600 a week when qualified and just a basic fireman

it seems you picked the lowest figure you could find

all figures taken from ...
http://www.prospects
.ac.uk/firefighter_s
alary.htm
[quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....![/p][/quote]So only firemen work do they?[/p][/quote]Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment[/p][/quote]If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course![/p][/quote]Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are[/p][/quote]Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!![/p][/quote]Just because others have taken a hit why should firefighters have to take one....?????? They and teachers are the only ones still able to fight for what they in my opinion deserve....... And I will back them all the way .....[/p][/quote]Teachers like Firemen are very well paid and you are in the minority with your views. Hope you dont get to upset when your next door neighbour is off to tenerife yet again while you are working until your 70 yrs old.[/p][/quote]To be quite honest I wouldn't do what firefighters have to do for the £400 per week which is what they get......., and to be quite honest I wouldn't do my job as a plumber for that....... Teachers by the way get paid more than firefighters....., as for me being in a minority in my views on the contrary I think you are in the minority... Decent folk have respect for all our Emergancy service personnel and only small minded bigots try to play down the role they have in society....... Oh and don't worry about me being sad about my neighbour jetting off to Tenerife .......I won't be as when I reach 60 I will be spending 9 months of the year in my villa in Murcia soaking up the Spanish sun....which I am looking forward to as I only get out there for around 8 weeks each year at the moment.[/p][/quote]There is a nationally agreed salary structure for firefighters. The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £21,157. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £28,199. Higher rates apply for overtime. £600 a week when qualified and just a basic fireman it seems you picked the lowest figure you could find all figures taken from ... http://www.prospects .ac.uk/firefighter_s alary.htm lv8151

12:05pm Wed 18 Dec 13

lv8151 says...

lv8151 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....!
So only firemen work do they?
Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment
If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course!
Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are
Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!!
Just because others have taken a hit why should firefighters have to take one....?????? They and teachers are the only ones still able to fight for what they in my opinion deserve....... And I will back them all the way .....
Teachers like Firemen are very well paid and you are in the minority with your views. Hope you dont get to upset when your next door neighbour is off to tenerife yet again while you are working until your 70 yrs old.
To be quite honest I wouldn't do what firefighters have to do for the £400 per week which is what they get......., and to be quite honest I wouldn't do my job as a plumber for that....... Teachers by the way get paid more than firefighters....., as for me being in a minority in my views on the contrary I think you are in the minority... Decent folk have respect for all our Emergancy service personnel and only small minded bigots try to play down the role they have in society....... Oh and don't worry about me being sad about my neighbour jetting off to Tenerife .......I won't be as when I reach 60 I will be spending 9 months of the year in my villa in Murcia soaking up the Spanish sun....which I am looking forward to as I only get out there for around 8 weeks each year at the moment.
There is a nationally agreed salary structure for firefighters. The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £21,157. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £28,199. Higher rates apply for overtime.

£600 a week when qualified and just a basic fireman

it seems you picked the lowest figure you could find

all figures taken from ...
http://www.prospects

.ac.uk/firefighter_s

alary.htm
A station manager's earning potential is between £36,365 and £40,109 plus overtime rates, subject to the officer's level of competence.
Further advancement to the role of group manager and then area manager attracts salaries of between £41,881 and £53,934, depending on the level of competence.
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....![/p][/quote]So only firemen work do they?[/p][/quote]Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment[/p][/quote]If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course![/p][/quote]Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are[/p][/quote]Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!![/p][/quote]Just because others have taken a hit why should firefighters have to take one....?????? They and teachers are the only ones still able to fight for what they in my opinion deserve....... And I will back them all the way .....[/p][/quote]Teachers like Firemen are very well paid and you are in the minority with your views. Hope you dont get to upset when your next door neighbour is off to tenerife yet again while you are working until your 70 yrs old.[/p][/quote]To be quite honest I wouldn't do what firefighters have to do for the £400 per week which is what they get......., and to be quite honest I wouldn't do my job as a plumber for that....... Teachers by the way get paid more than firefighters....., as for me being in a minority in my views on the contrary I think you are in the minority... Decent folk have respect for all our Emergancy service personnel and only small minded bigots try to play down the role they have in society....... Oh and don't worry about me being sad about my neighbour jetting off to Tenerife .......I won't be as when I reach 60 I will be spending 9 months of the year in my villa in Murcia soaking up the Spanish sun....which I am looking forward to as I only get out there for around 8 weeks each year at the moment.[/p][/quote]There is a nationally agreed salary structure for firefighters. The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £21,157. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £28,199. Higher rates apply for overtime. £600 a week when qualified and just a basic fireman it seems you picked the lowest figure you could find all figures taken from ... http://www.prospects .ac.uk/firefighter_s alary.htm[/p][/quote]A station manager's earning potential is between £36,365 and £40,109 plus overtime rates, subject to the officer's level of competence. Further advancement to the role of group manager and then area manager attracts salaries of between £41,881 and £53,934, depending on the level of competence. lv8151

12:06pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Hotblue says...

lv8151 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....!
So only firemen work do they?
Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment
If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course!
Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are
Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!!
Just because others have taken a hit why should firefighters have to take one....?????? They and teachers are the only ones still able to fight for what they in my opinion deserve....... And I will back them all the way .....
Teachers like Firemen are very well paid and you are in the minority with your views. Hope you dont get to upset when your next door neighbour is off to tenerife yet again while you are working until your 70 yrs old.
To be quite honest I wouldn't do what firefighters have to do for the £400 per week which is what they get......., and to be quite honest I wouldn't do my job as a plumber for that....... Teachers by the way get paid more than firefighters....., as for me being in a minority in my views on the contrary I think you are in the minority... Decent folk have respect for all our Emergancy service personnel and only small minded bigots try to play down the role they have in society....... Oh and don't worry about me being sad about my neighbour jetting off to Tenerife .......I won't be as when I reach 60 I will be spending 9 months of the year in my villa in Murcia soaking up the Spanish sun....which I am looking forward to as I only get out there for around 8 weeks each year at the moment.
There is a nationally agreed salary structure for firefighters. The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £21,157. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £28,199. Higher rates apply for overtime.

£600 a week when qualified and just a basic fireman

it seems you picked the lowest figure you could find

all figures taken from ...
http://www.prospects

.ac.uk/firefighter_s

alary.htm
The figure I was talking about is the take home figure which is what they get in their pocket so it seems you are just looking for the highest figure you can find to try to justify your views
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....![/p][/quote]So only firemen work do they?[/p][/quote]Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment[/p][/quote]If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course![/p][/quote]Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are[/p][/quote]Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!![/p][/quote]Just because others have taken a hit why should firefighters have to take one....?????? They and teachers are the only ones still able to fight for what they in my opinion deserve....... And I will back them all the way .....[/p][/quote]Teachers like Firemen are very well paid and you are in the minority with your views. Hope you dont get to upset when your next door neighbour is off to tenerife yet again while you are working until your 70 yrs old.[/p][/quote]To be quite honest I wouldn't do what firefighters have to do for the £400 per week which is what they get......., and to be quite honest I wouldn't do my job as a plumber for that....... Teachers by the way get paid more than firefighters....., as for me being in a minority in my views on the contrary I think you are in the minority... Decent folk have respect for all our Emergancy service personnel and only small minded bigots try to play down the role they have in society....... Oh and don't worry about me being sad about my neighbour jetting off to Tenerife .......I won't be as when I reach 60 I will be spending 9 months of the year in my villa in Murcia soaking up the Spanish sun....which I am looking forward to as I only get out there for around 8 weeks each year at the moment.[/p][/quote]There is a nationally agreed salary structure for firefighters. The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £21,157. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £28,199. Higher rates apply for overtime. £600 a week when qualified and just a basic fireman it seems you picked the lowest figure you could find all figures taken from ... http://www.prospects .ac.uk/firefighter_s alary.htm[/p][/quote]The figure I was talking about is the take home figure which is what they get in their pocket so it seems you are just looking for the highest figure you can find to try to justify your views Hotblue

12:08pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Hotblue says...

Hotblue wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....!
So only firemen work do they?
Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment
If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course!
Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are
Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!!
Just because others have taken a hit why should firefighters have to take one....?????? They and teachers are the only ones still able to fight for what they in my opinion deserve....... And I will back them all the way .....
Teachers like Firemen are very well paid and you are in the minority with your views. Hope you dont get to upset when your next door neighbour is off to tenerife yet again while you are working until your 70 yrs old.
To be quite honest I wouldn't do what firefighters have to do for the £400 per week which is what they get......., and to be quite honest I wouldn't do my job as a plumber for that....... Teachers by the way get paid more than firefighters....., as for me being in a minority in my views on the contrary I think you are in the minority... Decent folk have respect for all our Emergancy service personnel and only small minded bigots try to play down the role they have in society....... Oh and don't worry about me being sad about my neighbour jetting off to Tenerife .......I won't be as when I reach 60 I will be spending 9 months of the year in my villa in Murcia soaking up the Spanish sun....which I am looking forward to as I only get out there for around 8 weeks each year at the moment.
There is a nationally agreed salary structure for firefighters. The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £21,157. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £28,199. Higher rates apply for overtime.

£600 a week when qualified and just a basic fireman

it seems you picked the lowest figure you could find

all figures taken from ...
http://www.prospects


.ac.uk/firefighter_s


alary.htm
The figure I was talking about is the take home figure which is what they get in their pocket so it seems you are just looking for the highest figure you can find to try to justify your views
It also seems like you have just googled that to try to justify yourself but instead you should try googling what is really hopping with their pensions to get a proper understanding of what is happening to them
[quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....![/p][/quote]So only firemen work do they?[/p][/quote]Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment[/p][/quote]If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course![/p][/quote]Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are[/p][/quote]Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!![/p][/quote]Just because others have taken a hit why should firefighters have to take one....?????? They and teachers are the only ones still able to fight for what they in my opinion deserve....... And I will back them all the way .....[/p][/quote]Teachers like Firemen are very well paid and you are in the minority with your views. Hope you dont get to upset when your next door neighbour is off to tenerife yet again while you are working until your 70 yrs old.[/p][/quote]To be quite honest I wouldn't do what firefighters have to do for the £400 per week which is what they get......., and to be quite honest I wouldn't do my job as a plumber for that....... Teachers by the way get paid more than firefighters....., as for me being in a minority in my views on the contrary I think you are in the minority... Decent folk have respect for all our Emergancy service personnel and only small minded bigots try to play down the role they have in society....... Oh and don't worry about me being sad about my neighbour jetting off to Tenerife .......I won't be as when I reach 60 I will be spending 9 months of the year in my villa in Murcia soaking up the Spanish sun....which I am looking forward to as I only get out there for around 8 weeks each year at the moment.[/p][/quote]There is a nationally agreed salary structure for firefighters. The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £21,157. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £28,199. Higher rates apply for overtime. £600 a week when qualified and just a basic fireman it seems you picked the lowest figure you could find all figures taken from ... http://www.prospects .ac.uk/firefighter_s alary.htm[/p][/quote]The figure I was talking about is the take home figure which is what they get in their pocket so it seems you are just looking for the highest figure you can find to try to justify your views[/p][/quote]It also seems like you have just googled that to try to justify yourself but instead you should try googling what is really hopping with their pensions to get a proper understanding of what is happening to them Hotblue

12:12pm Wed 18 Dec 13

lv8151 says...

you are wrong ... im not trying to justify anything as i have not give my opinion on the subject previously .... i was just providing a few facts to the conversation .... which is what a lot of people that comment fail to do
you are wrong ... im not trying to justify anything as i have not give my opinion on the subject previously .... i was just providing a few facts to the conversation .... which is what a lot of people that comment fail to do lv8151

12:23pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Hotblue says...

Hotblue wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....!
So only firemen work do they?
Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment
If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course!
Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are
Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!!
Just because others have taken a hit why should firefighters have to take one....?????? They and teachers are the only ones still able to fight for what they in my opinion deserve....... And I will back them all the way .....
Teachers like Firemen are very well paid and you are in the minority with your views. Hope you dont get to upset when your next door neighbour is off to tenerife yet again while you are working until your 70 yrs old.
To be quite honest I wouldn't do what firefighters have to do for the £400 per week which is what they get......., and to be quite honest I wouldn't do my job as a plumber for that....... Teachers by the way get paid more than firefighters....., as for me being in a minority in my views on the contrary I think you are in the minority... Decent folk have respect for all our Emergancy service personnel and only small minded bigots try to play down the role they have in society....... Oh and don't worry about me being sad about my neighbour jetting off to Tenerife .......I won't be as when I reach 60 I will be spending 9 months of the year in my villa in Murcia soaking up the Spanish sun....which I am looking forward to as I only get out there for around 8 weeks each year at the moment.
There is a nationally agreed salary structure for firefighters. The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £21,157. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £28,199. Higher rates apply for overtime.

£600 a week when qualified and just a basic fireman

it seems you picked the lowest figure you could find

all figures taken from ...
http://www.prospects



.ac.uk/firefighter_s



alary.htm
The figure I was talking about is the take home figure which is what they get in their pocket so it seems you are just looking for the highest figure you can find to try to justify your views
It also seems like you have just googled that to try to justify yourself but instead you should try googling what is really hopping with their pensions to get a proper understanding of what is happening to them
This is regarding firefighters and not higher management again you are try to get the highest numbers possible to justify your lack of knowledge on this subject.......this is a copy of a text I have received from my friend ......
You save up for ten years so that you can buy yourself that little bit bit luxury you always wanted......a brand new car with all the mod cons...... You have £30k to spend and after looking round you decided to go for a top of the range Ford Mondeo with every electrical gadget possible and all the comfort extras.......you sign the paperwork and hand your £30k over to the rep at ford and he tells you that your car will be ready in six weeks.........great stuff! So six weeks down the line you go to the ford dealership wanting to pick up your car.......the rep tells you that because the directors at ford have had too many expenses over the last year they need to find money from somewhere so instead of you getting your top end car for £30k you will have to pay £35k and your car will also not be ready for another 5 weeks and when it is ready instead of it being the very best Mondeo that money can buy it will be a bog standard ford Fiesta.......what would your reply be.........I bet it wouldn't be ....erm ok then.......which is what you say the firefighters should do with their pension...........
[quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....![/p][/quote]So only firemen work do they?[/p][/quote]Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment[/p][/quote]If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course![/p][/quote]Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are[/p][/quote]Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!![/p][/quote]Just because others have taken a hit why should firefighters have to take one....?????? They and teachers are the only ones still able to fight for what they in my opinion deserve....... And I will back them all the way .....[/p][/quote]Teachers like Firemen are very well paid and you are in the minority with your views. Hope you dont get to upset when your next door neighbour is off to tenerife yet again while you are working until your 70 yrs old.[/p][/quote]To be quite honest I wouldn't do what firefighters have to do for the £400 per week which is what they get......., and to be quite honest I wouldn't do my job as a plumber for that....... Teachers by the way get paid more than firefighters....., as for me being in a minority in my views on the contrary I think you are in the minority... Decent folk have respect for all our Emergancy service personnel and only small minded bigots try to play down the role they have in society....... Oh and don't worry about me being sad about my neighbour jetting off to Tenerife .......I won't be as when I reach 60 I will be spending 9 months of the year in my villa in Murcia soaking up the Spanish sun....which I am looking forward to as I only get out there for around 8 weeks each year at the moment.[/p][/quote]There is a nationally agreed salary structure for firefighters. The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £21,157. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £28,199. Higher rates apply for overtime. £600 a week when qualified and just a basic fireman it seems you picked the lowest figure you could find all figures taken from ... http://www.prospects .ac.uk/firefighter_s alary.htm[/p][/quote]The figure I was talking about is the take home figure which is what they get in their pocket so it seems you are just looking for the highest figure you can find to try to justify your views[/p][/quote]It also seems like you have just googled that to try to justify yourself but instead you should try googling what is really hopping with their pensions to get a proper understanding of what is happening to them[/p][/quote]This is regarding firefighters and not higher management again you are try to get the highest numbers possible to justify your lack of knowledge on this subject.......this is a copy of a text I have received from my friend ...... You save up for ten years so that you can buy yourself that little bit bit luxury you always wanted......a brand new car with all the mod cons...... You have £30k to spend and after looking round you decided to go for a top of the range Ford Mondeo with every electrical gadget possible and all the comfort extras.......you sign the paperwork and hand your £30k over to the rep at ford and he tells you that your car will be ready in six weeks.........great stuff! So six weeks down the line you go to the ford dealership wanting to pick up your car.......the rep tells you that because the directors at ford have had too many expenses over the last year they need to find money from somewhere so instead of you getting your top end car for £30k you will have to pay £35k and your car will also not be ready for another 5 weeks and when it is ready instead of it being the very best Mondeo that money can buy it will be a bog standard ford Fiesta.......what would your reply be.........I bet it wouldn't be ....erm ok then.......which is what you say the firefighters should do with their pension........... Hotblue

12:31pm Wed 18 Dec 13

macauley says...

the flame as gone out on this rubbish now.
the flame as gone out on this rubbish now. macauley

12:34pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Hotblue says...

macauley wrote:
the flame as gone out on this rubbish now.
I thought sparks were flying;)
[quote][p][bold]macauley[/bold] wrote: the flame as gone out on this rubbish now.[/p][/quote]I thought sparks were flying;) Hotblue

12:36pm Wed 18 Dec 13

lv8151 says...

Hotblue wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....!
So only firemen work do they?
Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment
If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course!
Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are
Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!!
Just because others have taken a hit why should firefighters have to take one....?????? They and teachers are the only ones still able to fight for what they in my opinion deserve....... And I will back them all the way .....
Teachers like Firemen are very well paid and you are in the minority with your views. Hope you dont get to upset when your next door neighbour is off to tenerife yet again while you are working until your 70 yrs old.
To be quite honest I wouldn't do what firefighters have to do for the £400 per week which is what they get......., and to be quite honest I wouldn't do my job as a plumber for that....... Teachers by the way get paid more than firefighters....., as for me being in a minority in my views on the contrary I think you are in the minority... Decent folk have respect for all our Emergancy service personnel and only small minded bigots try to play down the role they have in society....... Oh and don't worry about me being sad about my neighbour jetting off to Tenerife .......I won't be as when I reach 60 I will be spending 9 months of the year in my villa in Murcia soaking up the Spanish sun....which I am looking forward to as I only get out there for around 8 weeks each year at the moment.
There is a nationally agreed salary structure for firefighters. The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £21,157. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £28,199. Higher rates apply for overtime.

£600 a week when qualified and just a basic fireman

it seems you picked the lowest figure you could find

all figures taken from ...
http://www.prospects




.ac.uk/firefighter_s




alary.htm
The figure I was talking about is the take home figure which is what they get in their pocket so it seems you are just looking for the highest figure you can find to try to justify your views
It also seems like you have just googled that to try to justify yourself but instead you should try googling what is really hopping with their pensions to get a proper understanding of what is happening to them
This is regarding firefighters and not higher management again you are try to get the highest numbers possible to justify your lack of knowledge on this subject.......this is a copy of a text I have received from my friend ......
You save up for ten years so that you can buy yourself that little bit bit luxury you always wanted......a brand new car with all the mod cons...... You have £30k to spend and after looking round you decided to go for a top of the range Ford Mondeo with every electrical gadget possible and all the comfort extras.......you sign the paperwork and hand your £30k over to the rep at ford and he tells you that your car will be ready in six weeks.........great stuff! So six weeks down the line you go to the ford dealership wanting to pick up your car.......the rep tells you that because the directors at ford have had too many expenses over the last year they need to find money from somewhere so instead of you getting your top end car for £30k you will have to pay £35k and your car will also not be ready for another 5 weeks and when it is ready instead of it being the very best Mondeo that money can buy it will be a bog standard ford Fiesta.......what would your reply be.........I bet it wouldn't be ....erm ok then.......which is what you say the firefighters should do with their pension...........
yet again you are taking it as i agree with what is happening .... why do you think i'm in favor of the cuts? .... all i was doing was putting facts into the comments .... and 1 thing is for sure you cannot fault me on the figures
[quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....![/p][/quote]So only firemen work do they?[/p][/quote]Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment[/p][/quote]If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course![/p][/quote]Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are[/p][/quote]Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!![/p][/quote]Just because others have taken a hit why should firefighters have to take one....?????? They and teachers are the only ones still able to fight for what they in my opinion deserve....... And I will back them all the way .....[/p][/quote]Teachers like Firemen are very well paid and you are in the minority with your views. Hope you dont get to upset when your next door neighbour is off to tenerife yet again while you are working until your 70 yrs old.[/p][/quote]To be quite honest I wouldn't do what firefighters have to do for the £400 per week which is what they get......., and to be quite honest I wouldn't do my job as a plumber for that....... Teachers by the way get paid more than firefighters....., as for me being in a minority in my views on the contrary I think you are in the minority... Decent folk have respect for all our Emergancy service personnel and only small minded bigots try to play down the role they have in society....... Oh and don't worry about me being sad about my neighbour jetting off to Tenerife .......I won't be as when I reach 60 I will be spending 9 months of the year in my villa in Murcia soaking up the Spanish sun....which I am looking forward to as I only get out there for around 8 weeks each year at the moment.[/p][/quote]There is a nationally agreed salary structure for firefighters. The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £21,157. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £28,199. Higher rates apply for overtime. £600 a week when qualified and just a basic fireman it seems you picked the lowest figure you could find all figures taken from ... http://www.prospects .ac.uk/firefighter_s alary.htm[/p][/quote]The figure I was talking about is the take home figure which is what they get in their pocket so it seems you are just looking for the highest figure you can find to try to justify your views[/p][/quote]It also seems like you have just googled that to try to justify yourself but instead you should try googling what is really hopping with their pensions to get a proper understanding of what is happening to them[/p][/quote]This is regarding firefighters and not higher management again you are try to get the highest numbers possible to justify your lack of knowledge on this subject.......this is a copy of a text I have received from my friend ...... You save up for ten years so that you can buy yourself that little bit bit luxury you always wanted......a brand new car with all the mod cons...... You have £30k to spend and after looking round you decided to go for a top of the range Ford Mondeo with every electrical gadget possible and all the comfort extras.......you sign the paperwork and hand your £30k over to the rep at ford and he tells you that your car will be ready in six weeks.........great stuff! So six weeks down the line you go to the ford dealership wanting to pick up your car.......the rep tells you that because the directors at ford have had too many expenses over the last year they need to find money from somewhere so instead of you getting your top end car for £30k you will have to pay £35k and your car will also not be ready for another 5 weeks and when it is ready instead of it being the very best Mondeo that money can buy it will be a bog standard ford Fiesta.......what would your reply be.........I bet it wouldn't be ....erm ok then.......which is what you say the firefighters should do with their pension...........[/p][/quote]yet again you are taking it as i agree with what is happening .... why do you think i'm in favor of the cuts? .... all i was doing was putting facts into the comments .... and 1 thing is for sure you cannot fault me on the figures lv8151

12:50pm Wed 18 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....!
So only firemen work do they?
Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment
If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course!
Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are
Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!!
Just because others have taken a hit why should firefighters have to take one....?????? They and teachers are the only ones still able to fight for what they in my opinion deserve....... And I will back them all the way .....
Teachers like Firemen are very well paid and you are in the minority with your views. Hope you dont get to upset when your next door neighbour is off to tenerife yet again while you are working until your 70 yrs old.
To be quite honest I wouldn't do what firefighters have to do for the £400 per week which is what they get......., and to be quite honest I wouldn't do my job as a plumber for that....... Teachers by the way get paid more than firefighters....., as for me being in a minority in my views on the contrary I think you are in the minority... Decent folk have respect for all our Emergancy service personnel and only small minded bigots try to play down the role they have in society....... Oh and don't worry about me being sad about my neighbour jetting off to Tenerife .......I won't be as when I reach 60 I will be spending 9 months of the year in my villa in Murcia soaking up the Spanish sun....which I am looking forward to as I only get out there for around 8 weeks each year at the moment.
Firemen get 30k a year + overtime and pension thrown in with five weeks paid holiday + work or play benefits,free clothing and a chance to pull the birds on bradshawgate friday night while parked in the engines.. ( google)

Teachers get 30k a year +pension + 13 weeks paid holidays and also work or play benefits,go on trips abroad with thek ids paid for (google)

Who mentioned me not having respect ?
Firemen dont have to work for the service if they dont like it,they can leave at any time its their choice,they accepted the wages when being hired.

And you wonder why there is no support your living in la la land.
[quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....![/p][/quote]So only firemen work do they?[/p][/quote]Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment[/p][/quote]If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course![/p][/quote]Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are[/p][/quote]Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!![/p][/quote]Just because others have taken a hit why should firefighters have to take one....?????? They and teachers are the only ones still able to fight for what they in my opinion deserve....... And I will back them all the way .....[/p][/quote]Teachers like Firemen are very well paid and you are in the minority with your views. Hope you dont get to upset when your next door neighbour is off to tenerife yet again while you are working until your 70 yrs old.[/p][/quote]To be quite honest I wouldn't do what firefighters have to do for the £400 per week which is what they get......., and to be quite honest I wouldn't do my job as a plumber for that....... Teachers by the way get paid more than firefighters....., as for me being in a minority in my views on the contrary I think you are in the minority... Decent folk have respect for all our Emergancy service personnel and only small minded bigots try to play down the role they have in society....... Oh and don't worry about me being sad about my neighbour jetting off to Tenerife .......I won't be as when I reach 60 I will be spending 9 months of the year in my villa in Murcia soaking up the Spanish sun....which I am looking forward to as I only get out there for around 8 weeks each year at the moment.[/p][/quote]Firemen get 30k a year + overtime and pension thrown in with five weeks paid holiday + work or play benefits,free clothing and a chance to pull the birds on bradshawgate friday night while parked in the engines.. ( google) Teachers get 30k a year +pension + 13 weeks paid holidays and also work or play benefits,go on trips abroad with thek ids paid for (google) Who mentioned me not having respect ? Firemen dont have to work for the service if they dont like it,they can leave at any time its their choice,they accepted the wages when being hired. And you wonder why there is no support your living in la la land. thomas222

12:58pm Wed 18 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

Hotblue wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....!
So only firemen work do they?
Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment
If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course!
Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are
Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!!
Just because others have taken a hit why should firefighters have to take one....?????? They and teachers are the only ones still able to fight for what they in my opinion deserve....... And I will back them all the way .....
Teachers like Firemen are very well paid and you are in the minority with your views. Hope you dont get to upset when your next door neighbour is off to tenerife yet again while you are working until your 70 yrs old.
To be quite honest I wouldn't do what firefighters have to do for the £400 per week which is what they get......., and to be quite honest I wouldn't do my job as a plumber for that....... Teachers by the way get paid more than firefighters....., as for me being in a minority in my views on the contrary I think you are in the minority... Decent folk have respect for all our Emergancy service personnel and only small minded bigots try to play down the role they have in society....... Oh and don't worry about me being sad about my neighbour jetting off to Tenerife .......I won't be as when I reach 60 I will be spending 9 months of the year in my villa in Murcia soaking up the Spanish sun....which I am looking forward to as I only get out there for around 8 weeks each year at the moment.
There is a nationally agreed salary structure for firefighters. The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £21,157. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £28,199. Higher rates apply for overtime. £600 a week when qualified and just a basic fireman it seems you picked the lowest figure you could find all figures taken from ... http://www.prospects .ac.uk/firefighter_s alary.htm
The figure I was talking about is the take home figure which is what they get in their pocket so it seems you are just looking for the highest figure you can find to try to justify your views
It also seems like you have just googled that to try to justify yourself but instead you should try googling what is really hopping with their pensions to get a proper understanding of what is happening to them
This is regarding firefighters and not higher management again you are try to get the highest numbers possible to justify your lack of knowledge on this subject.......this is a copy of a text I have received from my friend ...... You save up for ten years so that you can buy yourself that little bit bit luxury you always wanted......a brand new car with all the mod cons...... You have £30k to spend and after looking round you decided to go for a top of the range Ford Mondeo with every electrical gadget possible and all the comfort extras.......you sign the paperwork and hand your £30k over to the rep at ford and he tells you that your car will be ready in six weeks.........great stuff! So six weeks down the line you go to the ford dealership wanting to pick up your car.......the rep tells you that because the directors at ford have had too many expenses over the last year they need to find money from somewhere so instead of you getting your top end car for £30k you will have to pay £35k and your car will also not be ready for another 5 weeks and when it is ready instead of it being the very best Mondeo that money can buy it will be a bog standard ford Fiesta.......what would your reply be.........I bet it wouldn't be ....erm ok then.......which is what you say the firefighters should do with their pension...........
Simple question.... Why should a fireman be treated diffently than a social worker,health worker road sweeper etc?

Think that sums up.
[quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....![/p][/quote]So only firemen work do they?[/p][/quote]Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment[/p][/quote]If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course![/p][/quote]Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are[/p][/quote]Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!![/p][/quote]Just because others have taken a hit why should firefighters have to take one....?????? They and teachers are the only ones still able to fight for what they in my opinion deserve....... And I will back them all the way .....[/p][/quote]Teachers like Firemen are very well paid and you are in the minority with your views. Hope you dont get to upset when your next door neighbour is off to tenerife yet again while you are working until your 70 yrs old.[/p][/quote]To be quite honest I wouldn't do what firefighters have to do for the £400 per week which is what they get......., and to be quite honest I wouldn't do my job as a plumber for that....... Teachers by the way get paid more than firefighters....., as for me being in a minority in my views on the contrary I think you are in the minority... Decent folk have respect for all our Emergancy service personnel and only small minded bigots try to play down the role they have in society....... Oh and don't worry about me being sad about my neighbour jetting off to Tenerife .......I won't be as when I reach 60 I will be spending 9 months of the year in my villa in Murcia soaking up the Spanish sun....which I am looking forward to as I only get out there for around 8 weeks each year at the moment.[/p][/quote]There is a nationally agreed salary structure for firefighters. The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £21,157. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £28,199. Higher rates apply for overtime. £600 a week when qualified and just a basic fireman it seems you picked the lowest figure you could find all figures taken from ... http://www.prospects .ac.uk/firefighter_s alary.htm[/p][/quote]The figure I was talking about is the take home figure which is what they get in their pocket so it seems you are just looking for the highest figure you can find to try to justify your views[/p][/quote]It also seems like you have just googled that to try to justify yourself but instead you should try googling what is really hopping with their pensions to get a proper understanding of what is happening to them[/p][/quote]This is regarding firefighters and not higher management again you are try to get the highest numbers possible to justify your lack of knowledge on this subject.......this is a copy of a text I have received from my friend ...... You save up for ten years so that you can buy yourself that little bit bit luxury you always wanted......a brand new car with all the mod cons...... You have £30k to spend and after looking round you decided to go for a top of the range Ford Mondeo with every electrical gadget possible and all the comfort extras.......you sign the paperwork and hand your £30k over to the rep at ford and he tells you that your car will be ready in six weeks.........great stuff! So six weeks down the line you go to the ford dealership wanting to pick up your car.......the rep tells you that because the directors at ford have had too many expenses over the last year they need to find money from somewhere so instead of you getting your top end car for £30k you will have to pay £35k and your car will also not be ready for another 5 weeks and when it is ready instead of it being the very best Mondeo that money can buy it will be a bog standard ford Fiesta.......what would your reply be.........I bet it wouldn't be ....erm ok then.......which is what you say the firefighters should do with their pension...........[/p][/quote]Simple question.... Why should a fireman be treated diffently than a social worker,health worker road sweeper etc? Think that sums up. thomas222

7:15pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Hotblue says...

thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....!
So only firemen work do they?
Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment
If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course!
Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are
Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!!
Just because others have taken a hit why should firefighters have to take one....?????? They and teachers are the only ones still able to fight for what they in my opinion deserve....... And I will back them all the way .....
Teachers like Firemen are very well paid and you are in the minority with your views. Hope you dont get to upset when your next door neighbour is off to tenerife yet again while you are working until your 70 yrs old.
To be quite honest I wouldn't do what firefighters have to do for the £400 per week which is what they get......., and to be quite honest I wouldn't do my job as a plumber for that....... Teachers by the way get paid more than firefighters....., as for me being in a minority in my views on the contrary I think you are in the minority... Decent folk have respect for all our Emergancy service personnel and only small minded bigots try to play down the role they have in society....... Oh and don't worry about me being sad about my neighbour jetting off to Tenerife .......I won't be as when I reach 60 I will be spending 9 months of the year in my villa in Murcia soaking up the Spanish sun....which I am looking forward to as I only get out there for around 8 weeks each year at the moment.
There is a nationally agreed salary structure for firefighters. The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £21,157. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £28,199. Higher rates apply for overtime. £600 a week when qualified and just a basic fireman it seems you picked the lowest figure you could find all figures taken from ... http://www.prospects .ac.uk/firefighter_s alary.htm
The figure I was talking about is the take home figure which is what they get in their pocket so it seems you are just looking for the highest figure you can find to try to justify your views
It also seems like you have just googled that to try to justify yourself but instead you should try googling what is really hopping with their pensions to get a proper understanding of what is happening to them
This is regarding firefighters and not higher management again you are try to get the highest numbers possible to justify your lack of knowledge on this subject.......this is a copy of a text I have received from my friend ...... You save up for ten years so that you can buy yourself that little bit bit luxury you always wanted......a brand new car with all the mod cons...... You have £30k to spend and after looking round you decided to go for a top of the range Ford Mondeo with every electrical gadget possible and all the comfort extras.......you sign the paperwork and hand your £30k over to the rep at ford and he tells you that your car will be ready in six weeks.........great stuff! So six weeks down the line you go to the ford dealership wanting to pick up your car.......the rep tells you that because the directors at ford have had too many expenses over the last year they need to find money from somewhere so instead of you getting your top end car for £30k you will have to pay £35k and your car will also not be ready for another 5 weeks and when it is ready instead of it being the very best Mondeo that money can buy it will be a bog standard ford Fiesta.......what would your reply be.........I bet it wouldn't be ....erm ok then.......which is what you say the firefighters should do with their pension...........
Simple question.... Why should a fireman be treated diffently than a social worker,health worker road sweeper etc?

Think that sums up.
Simple answer...... Because they have the balls to stand up to this government........!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....![/p][/quote]So only firemen work do they?[/p][/quote]Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment[/p][/quote]If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course![/p][/quote]Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are[/p][/quote]Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!![/p][/quote]Just because others have taken a hit why should firefighters have to take one....?????? They and teachers are the only ones still able to fight for what they in my opinion deserve....... And I will back them all the way .....[/p][/quote]Teachers like Firemen are very well paid and you are in the minority with your views. Hope you dont get to upset when your next door neighbour is off to tenerife yet again while you are working until your 70 yrs old.[/p][/quote]To be quite honest I wouldn't do what firefighters have to do for the £400 per week which is what they get......., and to be quite honest I wouldn't do my job as a plumber for that....... Teachers by the way get paid more than firefighters....., as for me being in a minority in my views on the contrary I think you are in the minority... Decent folk have respect for all our Emergancy service personnel and only small minded bigots try to play down the role they have in society....... Oh and don't worry about me being sad about my neighbour jetting off to Tenerife .......I won't be as when I reach 60 I will be spending 9 months of the year in my villa in Murcia soaking up the Spanish sun....which I am looking forward to as I only get out there for around 8 weeks each year at the moment.[/p][/quote]There is a nationally agreed salary structure for firefighters. The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £21,157. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £28,199. Higher rates apply for overtime. £600 a week when qualified and just a basic fireman it seems you picked the lowest figure you could find all figures taken from ... http://www.prospects .ac.uk/firefighter_s alary.htm[/p][/quote]The figure I was talking about is the take home figure which is what they get in their pocket so it seems you are just looking for the highest figure you can find to try to justify your views[/p][/quote]It also seems like you have just googled that to try to justify yourself but instead you should try googling what is really hopping with their pensions to get a proper understanding of what is happening to them[/p][/quote]This is regarding firefighters and not higher management again you are try to get the highest numbers possible to justify your lack of knowledge on this subject.......this is a copy of a text I have received from my friend ...... You save up for ten years so that you can buy yourself that little bit bit luxury you always wanted......a brand new car with all the mod cons...... You have £30k to spend and after looking round you decided to go for a top of the range Ford Mondeo with every electrical gadget possible and all the comfort extras.......you sign the paperwork and hand your £30k over to the rep at ford and he tells you that your car will be ready in six weeks.........great stuff! So six weeks down the line you go to the ford dealership wanting to pick up your car.......the rep tells you that because the directors at ford have had too many expenses over the last year they need to find money from somewhere so instead of you getting your top end car for £30k you will have to pay £35k and your car will also not be ready for another 5 weeks and when it is ready instead of it being the very best Mondeo that money can buy it will be a bog standard ford Fiesta.......what would your reply be.........I bet it wouldn't be ....erm ok then.......which is what you say the firefighters should do with their pension...........[/p][/quote]Simple question.... Why should a fireman be treated diffently than a social worker,health worker road sweeper etc? Think that sums up.[/p][/quote]Simple answer...... Because they have the balls to stand up to this government........! Hotblue

8:07pm Wed 18 Dec 13

thomas222 says...

Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Hotblue wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....!
So only firemen work do they?
Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment
If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course!
Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are
Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!!
Just because others have taken a hit why should firefighters have to take one....?????? They and teachers are the only ones still able to fight for what they in my opinion deserve....... And I will back them all the way .....
Teachers like Firemen are very well paid and you are in the minority with your views. Hope you dont get to upset when your next door neighbour is off to tenerife yet again while you are working until your 70 yrs old.
To be quite honest I wouldn't do what firefighters have to do for the £400 per week which is what they get......., and to be quite honest I wouldn't do my job as a plumber for that....... Teachers by the way get paid more than firefighters....., as for me being in a minority in my views on the contrary I think you are in the minority... Decent folk have respect for all our Emergancy service personnel and only small minded bigots try to play down the role they have in society....... Oh and don't worry about me being sad about my neighbour jetting off to Tenerife .......I won't be as when I reach 60 I will be spending 9 months of the year in my villa in Murcia soaking up the Spanish sun....which I am looking forward to as I only get out there for around 8 weeks each year at the moment.
There is a nationally agreed salary structure for firefighters. The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £21,157. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £28,199. Higher rates apply for overtime. £600 a week when qualified and just a basic fireman it seems you picked the lowest figure you could find all figures taken from ... http://www.prospects .ac.uk/firefighter_s alary.htm
The figure I was talking about is the take home figure which is what they get in their pocket so it seems you are just looking for the highest figure you can find to try to justify your views
It also seems like you have just googled that to try to justify yourself but instead you should try googling what is really hopping with their pensions to get a proper understanding of what is happening to them
This is regarding firefighters and not higher management again you are try to get the highest numbers possible to justify your lack of knowledge on this subject.......this is a copy of a text I have received from my friend ...... You save up for ten years so that you can buy yourself that little bit bit luxury you always wanted......a brand new car with all the mod cons...... You have £30k to spend and after looking round you decided to go for a top of the range Ford Mondeo with every electrical gadget possible and all the comfort extras.......you sign the paperwork and hand your £30k over to the rep at ford and he tells you that your car will be ready in six weeks.........great stuff! So six weeks down the line you go to the ford dealership wanting to pick up your car.......the rep tells you that because the directors at ford have had too many expenses over the last year they need to find money from somewhere so instead of you getting your top end car for £30k you will have to pay £35k and your car will also not be ready for another 5 weeks and when it is ready instead of it being the very best Mondeo that money can buy it will be a bog standard ford Fiesta.......what would your reply be.........I bet it wouldn't be ....erm ok then.......which is what you say the firefighters should do with their pension...........
Simple question.... Why should a fireman be treated diffently than a social worker,health worker road sweeper etc? Think that sums up.
Simple answer...... Because they have the balls to stand up to this government........!
They didnt until it effected them personally did they!!!
Didnt see them downing tools when Council people were getting laid off......



They have no support end off. If you dont like the heat get out the Station so to speak!!
[quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hotblue[/bold] wrote: Firemen are only making a fortune through their second and third jobs because the rest of Britain are too bone idol and happy taking the benefits they receive.....![/p][/quote]So only firemen work do they?[/p][/quote]Well it looks like it.......... After all it was you that said they have two or three jobs.....! If that's so they work a **** site harder than most.....! Or would you like to retract that comment[/p][/quote]If one works hard at their main job most people would be to tired to take others when they dont need the money due to great wages holidays hours and pensions.... all public money of course![/p][/quote]Knowing a fireman I can confirm that their wages aren't great......I'm a plumber and take home a lot more than he does but he gets four days off after his shift so has enough time to recover from his job and do other jobs as for his pension again my private pension is worth more than his although we pay similar into them and the problem that he had now is that the government have decided that he must pay more each more and for an extra 5 years to receive less on retiring !!!! Is that fair??? No! Instead of jumping on the firefighters backs who are getting shafted have a go at the MP's who have given themselves a 25% pension increase and a £7500. Payrise.....! All for nothing..... Read up on these issues before commenting on how bad people are[/p][/quote]Every private & public sector worker has had to take the same changes why are the firemen any different. Thats why the public are showing no support and it has nothing to do with them being bad. There is always the option of leaving if not happy as most people do if they feel they are being treated badly!![/p][/quote]Just because others have taken a hit why should firefighters have to take one....?????? They and teachers are the only ones still able to fight for what they in my opinion deserve....... And I will back them all the way .....[/p][/quote]Teachers like Firemen are very well paid and you are in the minority with your views. Hope you dont get to upset when your next door neighbour is off to tenerife yet again while you are working until your 70 yrs old.[/p][/quote]To be quite honest I wouldn't do what firefighters have to do for the £400 per week which is what they get......., and to be quite honest I wouldn't do my job as a plumber for that....... Teachers by the way get paid more than firefighters....., as for me being in a minority in my views on the contrary I think you are in the minority... Decent folk have respect for all our Emergancy service personnel and only small minded bigots try to play down the role they have in society....... Oh and don't worry about me being sad about my neighbour jetting off to Tenerife .......I won't be as when I reach 60 I will be spending 9 months of the year in my villa in Murcia soaking up the Spanish sun....which I am looking forward to as I only get out there for around 8 weeks each year at the moment.[/p][/quote]There is a nationally agreed salary structure for firefighters. The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £21,157. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £28,199. Higher rates apply for overtime. £600 a week when qualified and just a basic fireman it seems you picked the lowest figure you could find all figures taken from ... http://www.prospects .ac.uk/firefighter_s alary.htm[/p][/quote]The figure I was talking about is the take home figure which is what they get in their pocket so it seems you are just looking for the highest figure you can find to try to justify your views[/p][/quote]It also seems like you have just googled that to try to justify yourself but instead you should try googling what is really hopping with their pensions to get a proper understanding of what is happening to them[/p][/quote]This is regarding firefighters and not higher management again you are try to get the highest numbers possible to justify your lack of knowledge on this subject.......this is a copy of a text I have received from my friend ...... You save up for ten years so that you can buy yourself that little bit bit luxury you always wanted......a brand new car with all the mod cons...... You have £30k to spend and after looking round you decided to go for a top of the range Ford Mondeo with every electrical gadget possible and all the comfort extras.......you sign the paperwork and hand your £30k over to the rep at ford and he tells you that your car will be ready in six weeks.........great stuff! So six weeks down the line you go to the ford dealership wanting to pick up your car.......the rep tells you that because the directors at ford have had too many expenses over the last year they need to find money from somewhere so instead of you getting your top end car for £30k you will have to pay £35k and your car will also not be ready for another 5 weeks and when it is ready instead of it being the very best Mondeo that money can buy it will be a bog standard ford Fiesta.......what would your reply be.........I bet it wouldn't be ....erm ok then.......which is what you say the firefighters should do with their pension...........[/p][/quote]Simple question.... Why should a fireman be treated diffently than a social worker,health worker road sweeper etc? Think that sums up.[/p][/quote]Simple answer...... Because they have the balls to stand up to this government........![/p][/quote]They didnt until it effected them personally did they!!! Didnt see them downing tools when Council people were getting laid off...... They have no support end off. If you dont like the heat get out the Station so to speak!! thomas222

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