Failing bouncers to be shown the door

The Bolton News: Police watch revellers out in Bolton on Mad Friday Police watch revellers out in Bolton on Mad Friday

BOUNCERS who do not protect Bolton’s pub and club goers could lose their licences in a new police crackdown.

Police have already requested the licences be taken from two male bouncers who work in the town centre after incidents caught on CCTV in which they were seen not doing their job.

Another bouncer has been warned and police concerns have been referred to the Security Industry Authority (SIA), which regulates bouncers.

Police say only a minority of bouncers in Bolton fall below the required standard.

The incidents included allowing a boy under age 18 to enter a bar and failing to diffuse an incident.

PC Andy Vernon, of the police's partnership and licensing team, said: “We find 99 per cent of door staff in Bolton are brilliant and support the police and the premises where they work but we have reported three people recently to the SIA governing body.

“It is important to have high standards for door staff as members of the public and police rely on them to keep us safe while we on a night out.

"The police are working hard to reduce violence in the town centre and we are successful but don’t expect door staff to contribute towards violent crime.”

The SIA regulates the private security industry and aims to ensure workers are trained, qualified and meeting expectations of the role.

PC Vernon said one bouncer has been warned his licence will be revoked if he fails to meet expectations again.

A second man, who works in the town centre as door staff, was convicted of assault following an incident while he was working.

And a third man failed to protect a child from harm. Police said he allowed a teenager, aged 16, into the bar despite another businesses refusing him entry just before.

The teenager was not part of a police operation and was genuinely trying to drink in the town centre.

Mr Vernon said: “The vast majority of door staff do comply with licensing objectives and police but we have found the odd one has demonstrated standards below that level."

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10:18am Mon 30 Dec 13

oftbewildered2 says...

the BN can help by properly calling 'door staff' as such and not 'bouncers. The SIA has gone to great lengths to raise the standards of these staff and to promote their image as professionally trained persons and not a gang of 'thugs' as used to be in the days of yore. Those who do not come up to scratch should rightly be deprived of their licence.
the BN can help by properly calling 'door staff' as such and not 'bouncers. The SIA has gone to great lengths to raise the standards of these staff and to promote their image as professionally trained persons and not a gang of 'thugs' as used to be in the days of yore. Those who do not come up to scratch should rightly be deprived of their licence. oftbewildered2

10:36am Mon 30 Dec 13

nozza17 says...

It is also a shame the police do not practice what they preach.
It is also a shame the police do not practice what they preach. nozza17

12:42pm Mon 30 Dec 13

munchesoddysee77 says...

it would also help if the venues it self was punished, i work as a door supervisor in bolton myself and i know the venues tell the door staff not to answer the radio at times just to get people in. its not easy. and i've also seen the police go over the top with the public so its not nice to read this kind of stuff in the paper which bad name us hard working door staff. i've worked up a good rep in this town as a good doorman. and i've found that the police have gone down hill in respect to working with the door staff
it would also help if the venues it self was punished, i work as a door supervisor in bolton myself and i know the venues tell the door staff not to answer the radio at times just to get people in. its not easy. and i've also seen the police go over the top with the public so its not nice to read this kind of stuff in the paper which bad name us hard working door staff. i've worked up a good rep in this town as a good doorman. and i've found that the police have gone down hill in respect to working with the door staff munchesoddysee77

12:58pm Mon 30 Dec 13

pecky2k says...

I was out on Boxing Day evening and was assaulted by an ex partner in full view of a Police van full of officers, not one came to my aid. When I asked if they could assist in me making a statement they told me to ring 101 and that CCTV covering that area is only manned until 3am.
Another male who had taken quite a kicking in another incident was also ignored.
Will the officers concerned be reprimanded....in short no!!
I was out on Boxing Day evening and was assaulted by an ex partner in full view of a Police van full of officers, not one came to my aid. When I asked if they could assist in me making a statement they told me to ring 101 and that CCTV covering that area is only manned until 3am. Another male who had taken quite a kicking in another incident was also ignored. Will the officers concerned be reprimanded....in short no!! pecky2k

1:04pm Mon 30 Dec 13

nozza17 says...

Munch, we probably know eachother. I have worked in Bolton for the last 13 years up until about Septthis year where I moved to Manchester.

The police in Bolton are lazy, incompetant and an embarassment.
The amount of fake ID's I have confiscated whilst working in Bolton and Bury is unbelievable and the times I have flagged it to an officer walking past and for them to take no interest or pass the ID which clearly does not belong to the person I took it from happened countless times.

Now, the Police in Bury are completely different, they work with the doorstaff and use them as their eyes and ears and I must say are top notch, hard working and ever present.
Munch, we probably know eachother. I have worked in Bolton for the last 13 years up until about Septthis year where I moved to Manchester. The police in Bolton are lazy, incompetant and an embarassment. The amount of fake ID's I have confiscated whilst working in Bolton and Bury is unbelievable and the times I have flagged it to an officer walking past and for them to take no interest or pass the ID which clearly does not belong to the person I took it from happened countless times. Now, the Police in Bury are completely different, they work with the doorstaff and use them as their eyes and ears and I must say are top notch, hard working and ever present. nozza17

2:23pm Mon 30 Dec 13

munchesoddysee77 says...

nozza17 wrote:
Munch, we probably know eachother. I have worked in Bolton for the last 13 years up until about Septthis year where I moved to Manchester.

The police in Bolton are lazy, incompetant and an embarassment.
The amount of fake ID's I have confiscated whilst working in Bolton and Bury is unbelievable and the times I have flagged it to an officer walking past and for them to take no interest or pass the ID which clearly does not belong to the person I took it from happened countless times.

Now, the Police in Bury are completely different, they work with the doorstaff and use them as their eyes and ears and I must say are top notch, hard working and ever present.
the police in bolton say we cannot take it off them as it's classed as theft, but i'm sure if it was an officers son or daughter drinking under age it would be a different matter. more should be done to stop this.
[quote][p][bold]nozza17[/bold] wrote: Munch, we probably know eachother. I have worked in Bolton for the last 13 years up until about Septthis year where I moved to Manchester. The police in Bolton are lazy, incompetant and an embarassment. The amount of fake ID's I have confiscated whilst working in Bolton and Bury is unbelievable and the times I have flagged it to an officer walking past and for them to take no interest or pass the ID which clearly does not belong to the person I took it from happened countless times. Now, the Police in Bury are completely different, they work with the doorstaff and use them as their eyes and ears and I must say are top notch, hard working and ever present.[/p][/quote]the police in bolton say we cannot take it off them as it's classed as theft, but i'm sure if it was an officers son or daughter drinking under age it would be a different matter. more should be done to stop this. munchesoddysee77

2:36pm Mon 30 Dec 13

nozza17 says...

munchesoddysee77 wrote:
nozza17 wrote: Munch, we probably know eachother. I have worked in Bolton for the last 13 years up until about Septthis year where I moved to Manchester. The police in Bolton are lazy, incompetant and an embarassment. The amount of fake ID's I have confiscated whilst working in Bolton and Bury is unbelievable and the times I have flagged it to an officer walking past and for them to take no interest or pass the ID which clearly does not belong to the person I took it from happened countless times. Now, the Police in Bury are completely different, they work with the doorstaff and use them as their eyes and ears and I must say are top notch, hard working and ever present.
the police in bolton say we cannot take it off them as it's classed as theft, but i'm sure if it was an officers son or daughter drinking under age it would be a different matter. more should be done to stop this.
It is not theft. If someone is using ID that does not belong to them then it is fraud on their behalf. You cannot steal something that does not belong to someone.
In bury we had an agreement with the licensing to take ID's and hand them in.

If someone is underage and trying to use their ID then that is theft.
Just shows how incompetent the police are in Bolton
[quote][p][bold]munchesoddysee77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nozza17[/bold] wrote: Munch, we probably know eachother. I have worked in Bolton for the last 13 years up until about Septthis year where I moved to Manchester. The police in Bolton are lazy, incompetant and an embarassment. The amount of fake ID's I have confiscated whilst working in Bolton and Bury is unbelievable and the times I have flagged it to an officer walking past and for them to take no interest or pass the ID which clearly does not belong to the person I took it from happened countless times. Now, the Police in Bury are completely different, they work with the doorstaff and use them as their eyes and ears and I must say are top notch, hard working and ever present.[/p][/quote]the police in bolton say we cannot take it off them as it's classed as theft, but i'm sure if it was an officers son or daughter drinking under age it would be a different matter. more should be done to stop this.[/p][/quote]It is not theft. If someone is using ID that does not belong to them then it is fraud on their behalf. You cannot steal something that does not belong to someone. In bury we had an agreement with the licensing to take ID's and hand them in. If someone is underage and trying to use their ID then that is theft. Just shows how incompetent the police are in Bolton nozza17

7:50pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Harkin about says...

There is a big difference between having a fake id and having one that is real but isnt yours, there is no offence to show a fake id as it is not breaking the law to enter a pub under 18. The offence is to sell or buy under age which is the responsibility of the barstaff serving. If the id is thought not to belong to the person showing then unless the doorman has clear evidence that it has been stolen they should not take it off the person as this could be classed as theft.

But hey dont let facts get in the way of a good story.
There is a big difference between having a fake id and having one that is real but isnt yours, there is no offence to show a fake id as it is not breaking the law to enter a pub under 18. The offence is to sell or buy under age which is the responsibility of the barstaff serving. If the id is thought not to belong to the person showing then unless the doorman has clear evidence that it has been stolen they should not take it off the person as this could be classed as theft. But hey dont let facts get in the way of a good story. Harkin about

8:09am Tue 31 Dec 13

Donkey Stone says...

It is sad but true. The police just seem to want to take the wages and find a million reasons/excuses to do nothing whilst misquoting legislation.
It is sad but true. The police just seem to want to take the wages and find a million reasons/excuses to do nothing whilst misquoting legislation. Donkey Stone

9:43am Tue 31 Dec 13

nozza17 says...

Harkin about wrote:
There is a big difference between having a fake id and having one that is real but isnt yours, there is no offence to show a fake id as it is not breaking the law to enter a pub under 18. The offence is to sell or buy under age which is the responsibility of the barstaff serving. If the id is thought not to belong to the person showing then unless the doorman has clear evidence that it has been stolen they should not take it off the person as this could be classed as theft. But hey dont let facts get in the way of a good story.
I suggest you check out the home office guidance for fake ID when it comes to door supervisors.

Also I suggest you go and take you SIA training and then work the doors for a substantial amount of years, this will give you something called experience.

Then I also suggest you stop talking about things you clearly know little about.

Hey, always letting facts back up a good story ;)
[quote][p][bold]Harkin about[/bold] wrote: There is a big difference between having a fake id and having one that is real but isnt yours, there is no offence to show a fake id as it is not breaking the law to enter a pub under 18. The offence is to sell or buy under age which is the responsibility of the barstaff serving. If the id is thought not to belong to the person showing then unless the doorman has clear evidence that it has been stolen they should not take it off the person as this could be classed as theft. But hey dont let facts get in the way of a good story.[/p][/quote]I suggest you check out the home office guidance for fake ID when it comes to door supervisors. Also I suggest you go and take you SIA training and then work the doors for a substantial amount of years, this will give you something called experience. Then I also suggest you stop talking about things you clearly know little about. Hey, always letting facts back up a good story ;) nozza17

3:11pm Tue 31 Dec 13

The bluetooth. says...

These so called bouncers decide which drug dealer goes in with his stash.most boucers are corrupt and will do anything to get a backhander at the end of the night.
These so called bouncers decide which drug dealer goes in with his stash.most boucers are corrupt and will do anything to get a backhander at the end of the night. The bluetooth.

1:00am Wed 1 Jan 14

Donkey Stone says...

The bluetooth. wrote:
These so called bouncers decide which drug dealer goes in with his stash.most boucers are corrupt and will do anything to get a backhander at the end of the night.
And I suppose all coppers are honest.
[quote][p][bold]The bluetooth.[/bold] wrote: These so called bouncers decide which drug dealer goes in with his stash.most boucers are corrupt and will do anything to get a backhander at the end of the night.[/p][/quote]And I suppose all coppers are honest. Donkey Stone

3:37pm Wed 1 Jan 14

nozza17 says...

The bluetooth. wrote:
These so called bouncers decide which drug dealer goes in with his stash.most boucers are corrupt and will do anything to get a backhander at the end of the night.
How is back there in the early 90's? You going to catch up anytime soon?
[quote][p][bold]The bluetooth.[/bold] wrote: These so called bouncers decide which drug dealer goes in with his stash.most boucers are corrupt and will do anything to get a backhander at the end of the night.[/p][/quote]How is back there in the early 90's? You going to catch up anytime soon? nozza17

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