Bolton council tax could rise again - despite government offer of £1 million to freeze it

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COUNCIL tax in Bolton could rise for a second year in a row — despite a £1 million offer from the government to freeze the levy.

Town hall bosses have asked for councillors’ views on plans to raise the council’s household charge by 1.95 per cent across all properties — the equivalent of 31p a week, or £16.12 a year for band A homes.

If approved at a full meeting of the council on February 26, the increase will raise an extra £1.6 million — funds which have already been built into the budget plans for 2014 to 2015.

Leader of Bolton Council Cllr Cliff Morris said the Labour group had not yet decided whether it will support a freeze, but confirmed a rise of two per cent had been planned for next year’s budget.

Councils which plan to raise council tax by more than two per cent must hold a public referendum.

Cllr Morris said: “We’ve always said we would raise it by two per cent — it’s in our budget report.

“We haven’t made our minds up yet. We know that we can’t go above two per cent and it’s like everything else. It’s a balance.”

Bolton Council is looking to save £21.7 million next year, with cost-cutting plans including reducing the amount of street cleaning, the subsidy for free swimming lessons and axing the budget for allotments.

It has already made £60 million worth of savings since 2010, by cutting more than 1,000 jobs, closing five libraries, reducing numerous services and axing Animal World, one of the town’s most-loved attractions.

Last year, council tax rose 3.5 per cent, after waste and transport levies and fire and police precepts.

The council has frozen the tax for three of the past five years.


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In Bolton, both the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats have argued that a hike in council tax for residents could and should be avoided.

The report to cabinet on Monday shows there is a one-off surplus balance of £1.6 million available in 2014/15 to either invest in initiatives or add to general balances.

Leader of Bolton’s Conservative group Cllr David Greenhalgh said his party would press for no increase in council tax — as the group did last year.

He said: “There’s a £1.6 million surplus this year and we strongly believe that this should be used to freeze council tax.

“The government’s grant is £1 million — but we think as we have got this surplus we should absolutely pass it on to the residents and give hard working families a boost.

“Money in residents’ pockets will circulate and be spent in local business, which we feel is beneficial overall to the whole community.

“Every little helps, and it gives the sense that the council is doing something for people during this very tough time.”

Cllr Roger Hayes, leader of the Bolton Liberal Democrats, argued that there should be a council tax freeze this year as the council can afford it.

He said: “I think residents need the assistance, and if you look at many of the council’s services there has been an under-spend in some departments.

“There are various sources of capital revenue and of course we will get a fairly large receipt from the sale of a large part of the historic Smithills estate to the Woodland Trust — not to mention the nest egg from the airport dividend.

“We will be listening to what happens, but one thing we need to do is spend money upgrading residential roads — they are in a shocking state.”

Councillors who are members of Bolton Council’s cabinet will hear the report in full at a meeting on Monday.

A final decision on the rise — in addition to the rest of the council’s budget for 2014/15 — will be taken at the full council meeting on Wednesday, February 26.

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6:54am Fri 14 Feb 14

Mart421 says...

Then give the million back
Then give the million back Mart421
  • Score: 16

7:12am Fri 14 Feb 14

JustBecause says...

That's it squeeze the people who are already paying too much for a substandard service.

As for hard working families comment getting a boost it will never happen ,the scrounges will just get more as usual.

These councillors need to get in the real world people don't spend money locally, it goes to supermarkets or other national businesses.
That's it squeeze the people who are already paying too much for a substandard service. As for hard working families comment getting a boost it will never happen ,the scrounges will just get more as usual. These councillors need to get in the real world people don't spend money locally, it goes to supermarkets or other national businesses. JustBecause
  • Score: 24

7:37am Fri 14 Feb 14

ruined heritage says...

If the council are so desperate to raise another 1.6million then either get rid of some of the people at the top or sell off some buildings that they own. They should not expect residents to pay more for just so they can make further savings at our expense.
If the council are so desperate to raise another 1.6million then either get rid of some of the people at the top or sell off some buildings that they own. They should not expect residents to pay more for just so they can make further savings at our expense. ruined heritage
  • Score: 33

8:10am Fri 14 Feb 14

philipwalduck says...

Can anybody tell me what I actually get for my council tax. I don't use the library as the cuts mean it isn't open when I can go, same with the swimming pools, the streets around me get cleaned once a year, my bins are emptied every other week and I don't have kids so I don't use the schools. Not only that when I try to contact the council you get a "we will get back to you within 14 days" then no further response. I'm still waiting for a response to a query from 2011 ffs
Can anybody tell me what I actually get for my council tax. I don't use the library as the cuts mean it isn't open when I can go, same with the swimming pools, the streets around me get cleaned once a year, my bins are emptied every other week and I don't have kids so I don't use the schools. Not only that when I try to contact the council you get a "we will get back to you within 14 days" then no further response. I'm still waiting for a response to a query from 2011 ffs philipwalduck
  • Score: 45

8:30am Fri 14 Feb 14

Chrome1 says...

Bolton Council is forever banging on about how people use certain loopholes in the law to avoid parking/speeding fines etc. They themselves are the biggest culprit when it comes to circumnavigating government guidlines and legislation.
Our councillors are pompous and talentless oafs who are just in it for ego-inflating publicity. The council is staffed by mediocrity and leadership is non-existent.
Power to the people? Pah, what nonsense. We need a revolution and we need it now. Us as a population that is governed by donkies are just as guilty for letting them get away with it. These dark days will be looked upon in history as the most inert period of socialism where people, including myself, just let things pass. It is embarrassing that the best we can do is comment on internet sites like these.
Bolton Council is forever banging on about how people use certain loopholes in the law to avoid parking/speeding fines etc. They themselves are the biggest culprit when it comes to circumnavigating government guidlines and legislation. Our councillors are pompous and talentless oafs who are just in it for ego-inflating publicity. The council is staffed by mediocrity and leadership is non-existent. Power to the people? Pah, what nonsense. We need a revolution and we need it now. Us as a population that is governed by donkies are just as guilty for letting them get away with it. These dark days will be looked upon in history as the most inert period of socialism where people, including myself, just let things pass. It is embarrassing that the best we can do is comment on internet sites like these. Chrome1
  • Score: -2

9:14am Fri 14 Feb 14

Mr Bridger says...

Tax and spend, tax and spend!

When will the people of Bolton learn that this Labour council will never change and they will keep increasing taxes to spend on left wing policies and huge none job salaries.
Tax and spend, tax and spend! When will the people of Bolton learn that this Labour council will never change and they will keep increasing taxes to spend on left wing policies and huge none job salaries. Mr Bridger
  • Score: 36

10:06am Fri 14 Feb 14

steveG says...

Labour is not working for the workers.
Labour is becoming increasingly for the lazy.
Labour is not working for the workers. Labour is becoming increasingly for the lazy. steveG
  • Score: 39

10:28am Fri 14 Feb 14

MarkP27 says...

I am putting a 'prayer room' in my house - so I am exempt from paying Council Tax - a great scam!!! Costing Bolton Council millions every year - that is why the Council Tax is going up.
I am putting a 'prayer room' in my house - so I am exempt from paying Council Tax - a great scam!!! Costing Bolton Council millions every year - that is why the Council Tax is going up. MarkP27
  • Score: 38

10:42am Fri 14 Feb 14

boltonlife14 says...

heres a better idea why dont we just take 2% for their fat pay packets i bet that will create more money!
heres a better idea why dont we just take 2% for their fat pay packets i bet that will create more money! boltonlife14
  • Score: 31

11:54am Fri 14 Feb 14

Jim271 says...

If you don't like the council get off your fat behinds and vote, people in other countries are being killed because they want to vote and people in this country, even Women who 100 years ago couldn't vote can't make the effort to go to the voting station.

If we had a tory or UKIP Council do you think we would be any better off, the richer ends of the town would be after Camerons promise to give millions of taxpayers money to rich landowners on his doorstep.
If you don't like the council get off your fat behinds and vote, people in other countries are being killed because they want to vote and people in this country, even Women who 100 years ago couldn't vote can't make the effort to go to the voting station. If we had a tory or UKIP Council do you think we would be any better off, the richer ends of the town would be after Camerons promise to give millions of taxpayers money to rich landowners on his doorstep. Jim271
  • Score: 11

12:23pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Rivertin says...

Can anyone direct me to info on the internet regarding the exactitudes of the rent money on all the homes in Bolton?

I aks this because I believe that we are being overcharged in rent, I believe that part of these monies could be used towards any rise in poll tax rather than it adding to the profits of the organisations or other landlords that have purchased the council houses and are now making money out of the tenants.

I also have asked before that if for instance an insurance company ran social housing would they be allowed to get away with charging such high premiums (over 50% of income in some cases) and we are not even getting repairs done for this money, so what is rent for? it should be rediricted to services rather than profits.
Can anyone direct me to info on the internet regarding the exactitudes of the rent money on all the homes in Bolton? I aks this because I believe that we are being overcharged in rent, I believe that part of these monies could be used towards any rise in poll tax rather than it adding to the profits of the organisations or other landlords that have purchased the council houses and are now making money out of the tenants. I also have asked before that if for instance an insurance company ran social housing would they be allowed to get away with charging such high premiums (over 50% of income in some cases) and we are not even getting repairs done for this money, so what is rent for? it should be rediricted to services rather than profits. Rivertin
  • Score: -21

12:31pm Fri 14 Feb 14

The Righteous One says...

This is the same Lbour council that promised a freeze in Council Tax before the last major local elections and then when got back into power raised it the next year by almost double what they should have done. ALso teh same Labour council that promised weekly grey bin collections which are now fortnightly.

Can you actually believe a word these liars say?
This is the same Lbour council that promised a freeze in Council Tax before the last major local elections and then when got back into power raised it the next year by almost double what they should have done. ALso teh same Labour council that promised weekly grey bin collections which are now fortnightly. Can you actually believe a word these liars say? The Righteous One
  • Score: -45

12:49pm Fri 14 Feb 14

cliff4treasurer says...

God save us !
God save us ! cliff4treasurer
  • Score: 8

1:58pm Fri 14 Feb 14

boltonchap says...

The Righteous One wrote:
This is the same Lbour council that promised a freeze in Council Tax before the last major local elections and then when got back into power raised it the next year by almost double what they should have done. ALso teh same Labour council that promised weekly grey bin collections which are now fortnightly.

Can you actually believe a word these liars say?
Thumbs up sunshine as I fully concur with your comment. One of the problems is voter apathy. The majority, with plenty of justification, have no faith in politicians so why bother to vote. Thus apathy feather beds the local political establishment, most of whom I wouldn't trust to wash my car.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: This is the same Lbour council that promised a freeze in Council Tax before the last major local elections and then when got back into power raised it the next year by almost double what they should have done. ALso teh same Labour council that promised weekly grey bin collections which are now fortnightly. Can you actually believe a word these liars say?[/p][/quote]Thumbs up sunshine as I fully concur with your comment. One of the problems is voter apathy. The majority, with plenty of justification, have no faith in politicians so why bother to vote. Thus apathy feather beds the local political establishment, most of whom I wouldn't trust to wash my car. boltonchap
  • Score: -8

3:11pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Phil from Smithills says...

So the Bolton Council may increase the council tax. Lets wait and see if the police commissioner also increase the police element, as he did last year, with a promise of more police,. There 're probably based in Manchester and we are all paying for it.
So the Bolton Council may increase the council tax. Lets wait and see if the police commissioner also increase the police element, as he did last year, with a promise of more police,. There 're probably based in Manchester and we are all paying for it. Phil from Smithills
  • Score: 12

3:40pm Fri 14 Feb 14

atlas123 says...

The problem for the council is if they accept the 1M from central government that is a one off amount. If they raise the council tax they get that every year and then they add a % on to that every year.
The problem for the council is if they accept the 1M from central government that is a one off amount. If they raise the council tax they get that every year and then they add a % on to that every year. atlas123
  • Score: 8

4:27pm Fri 14 Feb 14

boltonlife14 says...

is actually true that you dont pay council tax if you have a 'prayer room' - seriously WTF!!
is actually true that you dont pay council tax if you have a 'prayer room' - seriously WTF!! boltonlife14
  • Score: 12

4:31pm Fri 14 Feb 14

boltonlife14 says...

i meant is it not is, however i have just looked this up and it states as follows:

'to qualify for special council tax treatment, the building used would have to be certified and there would normally be signs advertising the public nature of the worship going on there. '
i meant is it not is, however i have just looked this up and it states as follows: 'to qualify for special council tax treatment, the building used would have to be certified and there would normally be signs advertising the public nature of the worship going on there. ' boltonlife14
  • Score: 5

4:41pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Rivertin says...

May be a loophole there for businesses (if the same rules apply to the business rates)....I mean lots of people worship money, the banks could save a fortune
May be a loophole there for businesses (if the same rules apply to the business rates)....I mean lots of people worship money, the banks could save a fortune Rivertin
  • Score: -8

6:05pm Fri 14 Feb 14

JustBecause says...

MarkP27 wrote:
I am putting a 'prayer room' in my house - so I am exempt from paying Council Tax - a great scam!!! Costing Bolton Council millions every year - that is why the Council Tax is going up.
Go on then.

Oh hang its a myth so you would be wasting your time......
[quote][p][bold]MarkP27[/bold] wrote: I am putting a 'prayer room' in my house - so I am exempt from paying Council Tax - a great scam!!! Costing Bolton Council millions every year - that is why the Council Tax is going up.[/p][/quote]Go on then. Oh hang its a myth so you would be wasting your time...... JustBecause
  • Score: -13

7:14pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Beyond News Forum says...

boltonlife14 wrote:
is actually true that you dont pay council tax if you have a 'prayer room' - seriously WTF!!
It becomes a religious place of worship. Or a chattel of religious ownership as it does with CE.

http://www.hmrc.gov.
uk/manuals/eimanual/
eim60014.htm
[quote][p][bold]boltonlife14[/bold] wrote: is actually true that you dont pay council tax if you have a 'prayer room' - seriously WTF!![/p][/quote]It becomes a religious place of worship. Or a chattel of religious ownership as it does with CE. http://www.hmrc.gov. uk/manuals/eimanual/ eim60014.htm Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 4

8:12pm Fri 14 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

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  • Score: -53

8:42pm Fri 14 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

As already been said, if ANY property has been registered or certified then it is possible to get a Council Tax reduction - but the full tax has to be paid and the reduction comes in the form of a tax rebate! Therefore, ipso facto, the Council Tax still has to be paid prayer room or not!
As already been said, if ANY property has been registered or certified then it is possible to get a Council Tax reduction - but the full tax has to be paid and the reduction comes in the form of a tax rebate! Therefore, ipso facto, the Council Tax still has to be paid prayer room or not! BWFC71
  • Score: -54

8:53pm Fri 14 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
As already been said, if ANY property has been registered or certified then it is possible to get a Council Tax reduction - but the full tax has to be paid and the reduction comes in the form of a tax rebate! Therefore, ipso facto, the Council Tax still has to be paid prayer room or not!
anymore - who is the spineless barsteward who will not say anything that is undermining the security of this website and is now bringing the integrity of this paper into question.

The editors are now pondering on bringing in the police if it continues as this is now tantamount to bullying and worse of all stalking and under current UK (and international internet) laws stalking of this nature is highly prohibitive!
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: As already been said, if ANY property has been registered or certified then it is possible to get a Council Tax reduction - but the full tax has to be paid and the reduction comes in the form of a tax rebate! Therefore, ipso facto, the Council Tax still has to be paid prayer room or not![/p][/quote]anymore - who is the spineless barsteward who will not say anything that is undermining the security of this website and is now bringing the integrity of this paper into question. The editors are now pondering on bringing in the police if it continues as this is now tantamount to bullying and worse of all stalking and under current UK (and international internet) laws stalking of this nature is highly prohibitive! BWFC71
  • Score: -56

9:21pm Fri 14 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Labour

Froze the Council tax to get back the leadership of the council - but since doing so have had over-inflationary increases

Promised grey bin collections and that during their term would never change - so why are they now every fortnight?

Slowly introducing one-ay system around the town (anti-clockwise for buses, taxis, private hires and cyclists - clockwise for all other traffic ) - a system that Lancaster has tried and failed miserably but is stuck with it - the town centre basically went into rack and ruin and has never recovered - that's whats happening with Bolton

During times of prosperity never spent on rebuilding crumbling bridges or doing major repairs to roads and now during times of austerity when the works does need to be done the money has been spent on white paint for roads

Coming up with all sorts of proposals for the town not realising the world has changed and then not being able to do it as no private money available - e.g. Church Wharf, Victoria Hall etc etc etc

the list continues

This Labour Council have destroyed the town and the borough and yet here we are being told to cough up another over-inflationary increase on the council tax.

Where is the £100million that they got recovered, with interest, from the collapse of the Icelandic Bank? Ware are the leaders having other paid jobs instead of giving more than 100% for the town?

Remember these are the idiots that YOU voted in and they are now making idiots out of YOU!
Labour Froze the Council tax to get back the leadership of the council - but since doing so have had over-inflationary increases Promised grey bin collections and that during their term would never change - so why are they now every fortnight? Slowly introducing one-ay system around the town (anti-clockwise for buses, taxis, private hires and cyclists - clockwise for all other traffic ) - a system that Lancaster has tried and failed miserably but is stuck with it - the town centre basically went into rack and ruin and has never recovered - that's whats happening with Bolton During times of prosperity never spent on rebuilding crumbling bridges or doing major repairs to roads and now during times of austerity when the works does need to be done the money has been spent on white paint for roads Coming up with all sorts of proposals for the town not realising the world has changed and then not being able to do it as no private money available - e.g. Church Wharf, Victoria Hall etc etc etc the list continues This Labour Council have destroyed the town and the borough and yet here we are being told to cough up another over-inflationary increase on the council tax. Where is the £100million that they got recovered, with interest, from the collapse of the Icelandic Bank? Ware are the leaders having other paid jobs instead of giving more than 100% for the town? Remember these are the idiots that YOU voted in and they are now making idiots out of YOU! BWFC71
  • Score: -40

10:01pm Fri 14 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Labour

Froze the Council tax to get back the leadership of the council - but since doing so have had over-inflationary increases

Promised grey bin collections and that during their term would never change - so why are they now every fortnight?

Slowly introducing one-ay system around the town (anti-clockwise for buses, taxis, private hires and cyclists - clockwise for all other traffic ) - a system that Lancaster has tried and failed miserably but is stuck with it - the town centre basically went into rack and ruin and has never recovered - that's whats happening with Bolton

During times of prosperity never spent on rebuilding crumbling bridges or doing major repairs to roads and now during times of austerity when the works does need to be done the money has been spent on white paint for roads

Coming up with all sorts of proposals for the town not realising the world has changed and then not being able to do it as no private money available - e.g. Church Wharf, Victoria Hall etc etc etc

the list continues

This Labour Council have destroyed the town and the borough and yet here we are being told to cough up another over-inflationary increase on the council tax.

Where is the £100million that they got recovered, with interest, from the collapse of the Icelandic Bank? Ware are the leaders having other paid jobs instead of giving more than 100% for the town?

Remember these are the idiots that YOU voted in and they are now making idiots out of YOU!
Labour Froze the Council tax to get back the leadership of the council - but since doing so have had over-inflationary increases Promised grey bin collections and that during their term would never change - so why are they now every fortnight? Slowly introducing one-ay system around the town (anti-clockwise for buses, taxis, private hires and cyclists - clockwise for all other traffic ) - a system that Lancaster has tried and failed miserably but is stuck with it - the town centre basically went into rack and ruin and has never recovered - that's whats happening with Bolton During times of prosperity never spent on rebuilding crumbling bridges or doing major repairs to roads and now during times of austerity when the works does need to be done the money has been spent on white paint for roads Coming up with all sorts of proposals for the town not realising the world has changed and then not being able to do it as no private money available - e.g. Church Wharf, Victoria Hall etc etc etc the list continues This Labour Council have destroyed the town and the borough and yet here we are being told to cough up another over-inflationary increase on the council tax. Where is the £100million that they got recovered, with interest, from the collapse of the Icelandic Bank? Ware are the leaders having other paid jobs instead of giving more than 100% for the town? Remember these are the idiots that YOU voted in and they are now making idiots out of YOU! BWFC71
  • Score: -45

12:47pm Sat 15 Feb 14

timeforachange says...

So that's another £1.6m out of the local economy. More money in council tax means people have less money to spend in Bolton's shops, great ay to boost the local economy.
So that's another £1.6m out of the local economy. More money in council tax means people have less money to spend in Bolton's shops, great ay to boost the local economy. timeforachange
  • Score: 2

12:56pm Sat 15 Feb 14

Rivertin says...

Mad this scoring/voting system on here isn't it, you can click even if you are not logged in , maybe you should only be allowed one click and when logged in (those clickers would have to work a bit harder then)

I would also like to bring into question the idea of constantly wanting to boost the economy, many do this locally and globally, but is it a good thing? is it wise to shift and produce/grow more and more goods when a large percentage ends up wasted in landfill, plus a lot of the extra food produced and sold adds to the rampant obesity problem, so costs the taxpayers via the NHS
Mad this scoring/voting system on here isn't it, you can click even if you are not logged in , maybe you should only be allowed one click and when logged in (those clickers would have to work a bit harder then) I would also like to bring into question the idea of constantly wanting to boost the economy, many do this locally and globally, but is it a good thing? is it wise to shift and produce/grow more and more goods when a large percentage ends up wasted in landfill, plus a lot of the extra food produced and sold adds to the rampant obesity problem, so costs the taxpayers via the NHS Rivertin
  • Score: 0

1:31pm Sat 15 Feb 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

Vote UKIP to sort this god-forsaken country out!
Vote UKIP to sort this god-forsaken country out! FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: -1

9:59pm Sun 16 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
Vote UKIP to sort this god-forsaken country out!
UKIP cannot sort this country out as they will make this country the sick-man-of-Europe. If it wasn't for the EU we would already be bankrupt!
[quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: Vote UKIP to sort this god-forsaken country out![/p][/quote]UKIP cannot sort this country out as they will make this country the sick-man-of-Europe. If it wasn't for the EU we would already be bankrupt! BWFC71
  • Score: -2

11:23pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Maplins Holiday Camp says...

Can anyone here tell me why there seems to be a campaign against BWFC71? The poster gives his/her views and gives good provident evidence as to why he/she supports his views and does allow other people their viewpoints and points out their errors and as to why they are wrong - even taking from official websites.

What has happened to a good debate or is it all about giving abuse nowadays?
Can anyone here tell me why there seems to be a campaign against BWFC71? The poster gives his/her views and gives good provident evidence as to why he/she supports his views and does allow other people their viewpoints and points out their errors and as to why they are wrong - even taking from official websites. What has happened to a good debate or is it all about giving abuse nowadays? Maplins Holiday Camp
  • Score: -4

11:24pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Maplins Holiday Camp says...

Labour

Froze the Council tax to get back the leadership of the council - but since doing so have had over-inflationary increases

Promised grey bin collections and that during their term would never change - so why are they now every fortnight?

Slowly introducing one-ay system around the town (anti-clockwise for buses, taxis, private hires and cyclists - clockwise for all other traffic ) - a system that Lancaster has tried and failed miserably but is stuck with it - the town centre basically went into rack and ruin and has never recovered - that's whats happening with Bolton

During times of prosperity never spent on rebuilding crumbling bridges or doing major repairs to roads and now during times of austerity when the works does need to be done the money has been spent on white paint for roads

Coming up with all sorts of proposals for the town not realising the world has changed and then not being able to do it as no private money available - e.g. Church Wharf, Victoria Hall etc etc etc

the list continues

This Labour Council have destroyed the town and the borough and yet here we are being told to cough up another over-inflationary increase on the council tax.

Where is the £100million that they got recovered, with interest, from the collapse of the Icelandic Bank? Ware are the leaders having other paid jobs instead of giving more than 100% for the town?

All very acutely correct and well prosed by BWFC71 - so why al thee thumbs down?
Labour Froze the Council tax to get back the leadership of the council - but since doing so have had over-inflationary increases Promised grey bin collections and that during their term would never change - so why are they now every fortnight? Slowly introducing one-ay system around the town (anti-clockwise for buses, taxis, private hires and cyclists - clockwise for all other traffic ) - a system that Lancaster has tried and failed miserably but is stuck with it - the town centre basically went into rack and ruin and has never recovered - that's whats happening with Bolton During times of prosperity never spent on rebuilding crumbling bridges or doing major repairs to roads and now during times of austerity when the works does need to be done the money has been spent on white paint for roads Coming up with all sorts of proposals for the town not realising the world has changed and then not being able to do it as no private money available - e.g. Church Wharf, Victoria Hall etc etc etc the list continues This Labour Council have destroyed the town and the borough and yet here we are being told to cough up another over-inflationary increase on the council tax. Where is the £100million that they got recovered, with interest, from the collapse of the Icelandic Bank? Ware are the leaders having other paid jobs instead of giving more than 100% for the town? All very acutely correct and well prosed by BWFC71 - so why al thee thumbs down? Maplins Holiday Camp
  • Score: -6

9:12am Mon 17 Feb 14

George X says...

Maplins Holiday Camp wrote:
Can anyone here tell me why there seems to be a campaign against BWFC71? The poster gives his/her views and gives good provident evidence as to why he/she supports his views and does allow other people their viewpoints and points out their errors and as to why they are wrong - even taking from official websites.

What has happened to a good debate or is it all about giving abuse nowadays?
Do you think were all stupid ? everybody knows you have multiple usernames and Bwfc71 and maplins Holiday camp are one and the same user as well as TheRighteousOne and Big Ern.
I'm just waiting for Eric Draven showing up then we'll have the full set ...or will we ?
[quote][p][bold]Maplins Holiday Camp[/bold] wrote: Can anyone here tell me why there seems to be a campaign against BWFC71? The poster gives his/her views and gives good provident evidence as to why he/she supports his views and does allow other people their viewpoints and points out their errors and as to why they are wrong - even taking from official websites. What has happened to a good debate or is it all about giving abuse nowadays?[/p][/quote]Do you think were all stupid ? everybody knows you have multiple usernames and Bwfc71 and maplins Holiday camp are one and the same user as well as TheRighteousOne and Big Ern. I'm just waiting for Eric Draven showing up then we'll have the full set ...or will we ? George X
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5:45pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Rivertin says...

I too wish people would debate rather than click loads of times on the upthumb/downthumb icon (although I find it funny and somewhat pleasing in a strange kind of way when I get about minus 640)

I mentioned the rents earlier, thought I made some point but no one responded, also the business rates, where do they fit in with this, someone I know has a business and they pay £30 a month, now that is cheaper than my council tax, do businesses need less or more services than me, I have seen the bank money vans with police guards ( don't know if this still goes on) but who pays for these? I have seen police cars permanently parked outside Morrisons and other supermarkets, who pays for these? Can't Mr morrisson afford proper security, have the police got to hold their hands at our expense?
I too wish people would debate rather than click loads of times on the upthumb/downthumb icon (although I find it funny and somewhat pleasing in a strange kind of way when I get about minus 640) I mentioned the rents earlier, thought I made some point but no one responded, also the business rates, where do they fit in with this, someone I know has a business and they pay £30 a month, now that is cheaper than my council tax, do businesses need less or more services than me, I have seen the bank money vans with police guards ( don't know if this still goes on) but who pays for these? I have seen police cars permanently parked outside Morrisons and other supermarkets, who pays for these? Can't Mr morrisson afford proper security, have the police got to hold their hands at our expense? Rivertin
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7:13pm Mon 17 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

George X wrote:
Maplins Holiday Camp wrote:
Can anyone here tell me why there seems to be a campaign against BWFC71? The poster gives his/her views and gives good provident evidence as to why he/she supports his views and does allow other people their viewpoints and points out their errors and as to why they are wrong - even taking from official websites.

What has happened to a good debate or is it all about giving abuse nowadays?
Do you think were all stupid ? everybody knows you have multiple usernames and Bwfc71 and maplins Holiday camp are one and the same user as well as TheRighteousOne and Big Ern.
I'm just waiting for Eric Draven showing up then we'll have the full set ...or will we ?
Is this Thomas222 or Boltonchap, or one of at least 5 other uernames, speaking this time and forgetting to change their username?
[quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maplins Holiday Camp[/bold] wrote: Can anyone here tell me why there seems to be a campaign against BWFC71? The poster gives his/her views and gives good provident evidence as to why he/she supports his views and does allow other people their viewpoints and points out their errors and as to why they are wrong - even taking from official websites. What has happened to a good debate or is it all about giving abuse nowadays?[/p][/quote]Do you think were all stupid ? everybody knows you have multiple usernames and Bwfc71 and maplins Holiday camp are one and the same user as well as TheRighteousOne and Big Ern. I'm just waiting for Eric Draven showing up then we'll have the full set ...or will we ?[/p][/quote]Is this Thomas222 or Boltonchap, or one of at least 5 other uernames, speaking this time and forgetting to change their username? BWFC71
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7:16pm Mon 17 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

George X wrote:
Maplins Holiday Camp wrote:
Can anyone here tell me why there seems to be a campaign against BWFC71? The poster gives his/her views and gives good provident evidence as to why he/she supports his views and does allow other people their viewpoints and points out their errors and as to why they are wrong - even taking from official websites.

What has happened to a good debate or is it all about giving abuse nowadays?
Do you think were all stupid ? everybody knows you have multiple usernames and Bwfc71 and maplins Holiday camp are one and the same user as well as TheRighteousOne and Big Ern.
I'm just waiting for Eric Draven showing up then we'll have the full set ...or will we ?
same post in 4 different threads - isn't that spamming, which is against the website rules?

Thomas/Boltonchap/Ge
orge/Jim271 - you really ought to read the rules of the website otherwise you could actually get you, and your alter-egos, banned for something as simple as breaking a small rule!!! (look what happened to Al Capone - finally caught over his taxes!!!)
[quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maplins Holiday Camp[/bold] wrote: Can anyone here tell me why there seems to be a campaign against BWFC71? The poster gives his/her views and gives good provident evidence as to why he/she supports his views and does allow other people their viewpoints and points out their errors and as to why they are wrong - even taking from official websites. What has happened to a good debate or is it all about giving abuse nowadays?[/p][/quote]Do you think were all stupid ? everybody knows you have multiple usernames and Bwfc71 and maplins Holiday camp are one and the same user as well as TheRighteousOne and Big Ern. I'm just waiting for Eric Draven showing up then we'll have the full set ...or will we ?[/p][/quote]same post in 4 different threads - isn't that spamming, which is against the website rules? Thomas/Boltonchap/Ge orge/Jim271 - you really ought to read the rules of the website otherwise you could actually get you, and your alter-egos, banned for something as simple as breaking a small rule!!! (look what happened to Al Capone - finally caught over his taxes!!!) BWFC71
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5:40pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Rivertin says...

C and Pd from a search regarding the business rates


'The Government’s decision to delay a key review of business rates will see the Big Four supermarkets save at least £1bn while small and independent retailers’ bills would remain artificially high, according to new research.'

So the small businesses are propping the bigger ones up, maybe if the local big supermarkets were charged proper business rates , that could be deffered from the council tax bill ? consider how much it must cost getting the police out for shoplifters for one
C and Pd from a search regarding the business rates 'The Government’s decision to delay a key review of business rates will see the Big Four supermarkets save at least £1bn while small and independent retailers’ bills would remain artificially high, according to new research.' So the small businesses are propping the bigger ones up, maybe if the local big supermarkets were charged proper business rates , that could be deffered from the council tax bill ? consider how much it must cost getting the police out for shoplifters for one Rivertin
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