UPDATED: Tempers flare as scores turn up to fiery meeting on Horwich Loco Works plans

The Bolton News: Tempers flare as scores turn up to fiery meeting on Horwich Loco Works plans Tempers flare as scores turn up to fiery meeting on Horwich Loco Works plans

DEVELOPERS were “laughed off” at a heated planning meeting to discuss controversial plans to turn the former Horwich Loco Works into a new 1,700-home town called Rivington Chase.

The meeting of Horwich Town Council's planning committee — held at St John's Church Hall in Victoria Road to accomodate close to 100 people — descended into chaos as councillors had to shout to be heard over angry residents.

An urgent open meeting will now be devoted purely to Horwich Loco Works with the town council deferring any decision to support or object to the plans until then.

Scores of Horwich locals attempted to voice fears about the plans, focussing mainly on the potential volume of traffic that could be coming to the areas surrounding the development.

Questions were also raised about effects on healthcare, education and sporting facilities.

Barry Jubb said: “This has been forced upon us and this is where the system lets us down — nothing has been taken into account about the traffic that will be on Chorley New Road.”

John Halliwell added: “How many of the developers live locally? They simply don’t know about the roads around here.”

Members of developers Horwich Vision were heckled and laughed at by residents as they tried to explain their proposals.

Simon Richards of Cass Associates, which has worked on the plans, said: “There will be a range of benefits including open space, recreation areas and amenities.

“This development will enhance the area and be an improvement on what is currently a derelict site.”

The sheer volume of people wishing to express strong opinions about the application lead to a chaotic atmosphere at times and town councillors voted in favour of organising an urgent open meeting specifically to discuss the application.

Horwich Mayor Cllr Christine Root said: "I think it is vital that we urgently organise a separate open meeting to discuss this application and give everyone a chance to speak, because clearly a lot of people want to.

"I don't think we have had the answers that we want tonight."

Horwich Vision members agreed to come to the next meeting which provisionally will be held at the Horwich RMI club on March 13 at 6.30pm.

Plans have been formally submitted to Bolton Council by Horwich Vision to carry out the £260 million development on the 189-acre brownfield site, which, if approved, is expected to take up to 15 years to complete.

Developers believe the development could bring in an extra £19 million to the local economy each year, as well as creating 1,350 full-time jobs.

Consultation on the plans will last until the end of March. A date will then be arranged for a special meeting of Bolton Council’s Planning Committee, which has the final say on the plans.

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11:24pm Thu 20 Feb 14

aangel says...

https://www.facebook
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https://www.facebook .com/events/21567108 8626498/?fref=ts aangel
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11:32pm Thu 20 Feb 14

steverock6@sky.com says...

I requested a meeting to deal with this application its own and expressed my concerns about the short consultation it is the biggest development since middlebrook and people have the right to express their views on it. I am happy that this now taking place we also need to do this for the college development the public elect councillors and have a right to their say
I requested a meeting to deal with this application its own and expressed my concerns about the short consultation it is the biggest development since middlebrook and people have the right to express their views on it. I am happy that this now taking place we also need to do this for the college development the public elect councillors and have a right to their say steverock6@sky.com
  • Score: 10

12:18am Fri 21 Feb 14

ARBEE says...

forget about expressing your views, the project will go ahead, its done and dusted,when did politicians or councillors take notice of tax payers or voters?,were money is concerned keep an eye out for palm greasing.
forget about expressing your views, the project will go ahead, its done and dusted,when did politicians or councillors take notice of tax payers or voters?,were money is concerned keep an eye out for palm greasing. ARBEE
  • Score: 25

7:20am Fri 21 Feb 14

frank bough says...

The bloke stood up needs to cut the booze
The bloke stood up needs to cut the booze frank bough
  • Score: -10

8:30am Fri 21 Feb 14

boydell says...

frank bough wrote:
The bloke stood up needs to cut the booze
This man is showing an interest in what is going on.....Were you at the meeting Mr Bough ??
[quote][p][bold]frank bough[/bold] wrote: The bloke stood up needs to cut the booze[/p][/quote]This man is showing an interest in what is going on.....Were you at the meeting Mr Bough ?? boydell
  • Score: 18

8:31am Fri 21 Feb 14

duffbikes says...

Quote, "I don't think we have had the answers that we want tonight." unquote, Says it all!
Quote, "I don't think we have had the answers that we want tonight." unquote, Says it all! duffbikes
  • Score: 6

10:40am Fri 21 Feb 14

steverock6@sky.com says...

ARBEE wrote:
forget about expressing your views, the project will go ahead, its done and dusted,when did politicians or councillors take notice of tax payers or voters?,were money is concerned keep an eye out for palm greasing.
People who come out with statements like this just show their ignorance about not only the planning system but also on how government works! councillors are dedicated people who give their time for free to try and improve peoples lives many work and give their evenings and weekends up for this while others enjoy their free time!
[quote][p][bold]ARBEE[/bold] wrote: forget about expressing your views, the project will go ahead, its done and dusted,when did politicians or councillors take notice of tax payers or voters?,were money is concerned keep an eye out for palm greasing.[/p][/quote]People who come out with statements like this just show their ignorance about not only the planning system but also on how government works! councillors are dedicated people who give their time for free to try and improve peoples lives many work and give their evenings and weekends up for this while others enjoy their free time! steverock6@sky.com
  • Score: -10

10:47am Fri 21 Feb 14

gladrill says...

Bolton council do not listen to local people. Chorley New Road cannot take the volumn of traffic now, how can it take more. We do not want this developement. They are slowly destroying Horwich like they did with Westhoughton.
Bolton council do not listen to local people. Chorley New Road cannot take the volumn of traffic now, how can it take more. We do not want this developement. They are slowly destroying Horwich like they did with Westhoughton. gladrill
  • Score: 14

1:05pm Fri 21 Feb 14

cliff4treasurer says...

Give there time free? hello wakey wakey!
Give there time free? hello wakey wakey! cliff4treasurer
  • Score: 11

2:37pm Fri 21 Feb 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

Even though I am not a resident of Horwich, I shall be attending the next meeting to air my views. The demolition of one of the large erecting sheds, which is a beautiful building and can be seen for miles around should not get the go-ahead. It is part of our heritage. The road network cannot cope as it is and I feel that the rail network, unless strengthened (or a new line put in from Blackrod to just before station park - as the demand would be there) would suffer greatly.
Even though I am not a resident of Horwich, I shall be attending the next meeting to air my views. The demolition of one of the large erecting sheds, which is a beautiful building and can be seen for miles around should not get the go-ahead. It is part of our heritage. The road network cannot cope as it is and I feel that the rail network, unless strengthened (or a new line put in from Blackrod to just before station park - as the demand would be there) would suffer greatly. FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 14

2:42pm Fri 21 Feb 14

aangel says...

steverock6@sky.com wrote:
I requested a meeting to deal with this application its own and expressed my concerns about the short consultation it is the biggest development since middlebrook and people have the right to express their views on it. I am happy that this now taking place we also need to do this for the college development the public elect councillors and have a right to their say
please check out the facebook event posted above, I know you are on facebook and if you could join the group it would show solidarity and you could keep us informed about the dates/times/venues etc xxx
[quote][p][bold]steverock6@sky.com[/bold] wrote: I requested a meeting to deal with this application its own and expressed my concerns about the short consultation it is the biggest development since middlebrook and people have the right to express their views on it. I am happy that this now taking place we also need to do this for the college development the public elect councillors and have a right to their say[/p][/quote]please check out the facebook event posted above, I know you are on facebook and if you could join the group it would show solidarity and you could keep us informed about the dates/times/venues etc xxx aangel
  • Score: 4

3:09pm Fri 21 Feb 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

Check out the recent pics from inside the erecting shed they are wanting to demolish, the building is huge and has so many features within and is laden with character, something you don't get from today's buildings. You can check these out on NWEX or 28dl.
Check out the recent pics from inside the erecting shed they are wanting to demolish, the building is huge and has so many features within and is laden with character, something you don't get from today's buildings. You can check these out on NWEX or 28dl. FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 5

4:00pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Brumas says...

Councillor Steven Rock in reply to ARBEE wrote People who come out with statements like this just show their ignorance about not only the planning system but also on how government works! councillors are dedicated people who give their time for free to try and improve people’s lives many work and give their evenings and weekends up for this while others enjoy their free time!
Which is all very well and good, but last night’s meeting illustrated several things: - How out of touch the Town Councillors are with the views of the Horwich Electorate, by not expressing views that reflected those aired by the residents last night to Bolton Council beforehand. How inadequate Horwich Town Council are by not again expressing the views aired by the residents to Bolton Council beforehand, rather than getting steam rollered last night. Horwich Councillors must have realised that Horwich Council should not exist, because people power is greater than their power. Or finally how long the smoke and mirrors Council meeting lasted prior to the aborted planning meeting, which was just eight minutes.
Councillor Steven Rock in reply to ARBEE wrote People who come out with statements like this just show their ignorance about not only the planning system but also on how government works! councillors are dedicated people who give their time for free to try and improve people’s lives many work and give their evenings and weekends up for this while others enjoy their free time! Which is all very well and good, but last night’s meeting illustrated several things: - How out of touch the Town Councillors are with the views of the Horwich Electorate, by not expressing views that reflected those aired by the residents last night to Bolton Council beforehand. How inadequate Horwich Town Council are by not again expressing the views aired by the residents to Bolton Council beforehand, rather than getting steam rollered last night. Horwich Councillors must have realised that Horwich Council should not exist, because people power is greater than their power. Or finally how long the smoke and mirrors Council meeting lasted prior to the aborted planning meeting, which was just eight minutes. Brumas
  • Score: 6

10:05pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Tommy60 says...

This development will more than likely get the go ahead, but traffic issues must be sorted out beforehand.Chorley New Road is already a no go area and certainly cannot take more vehicles.
This development will more than likely get the go ahead, but traffic issues must be sorted out beforehand.Chorley New Road is already a no go area and certainly cannot take more vehicles. Tommy60
  • Score: 9

10:25pm Fri 21 Feb 14

MyownPOV says...

The road congestion is a problem. The land contamination is more of a concern on that land. A deadly toxic dump.
The road congestion is a problem. The land contamination is more of a concern on that land. A deadly toxic dump. MyownPOV
  • Score: 7

3:15pm Sat 22 Feb 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

MyownPOV wrote:
The road congestion is a problem. The land contamination is more of a concern on that land. A deadly toxic dump.
I believe some area of Red Moss was used as a landfill site was it not?
[quote][p][bold]MyownPOV[/bold] wrote: The road congestion is a problem. The land contamination is more of a concern on that land. A deadly toxic dump.[/p][/quote]I believe some area of Red Moss was used as a landfill site was it not? FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 0

3:49pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Brumas says...

Part of the Red Moss were obviously used, but not in recent years. The boundary of what is the Loco works site as not been expanded since about 1950, but within that boundary there is somewhere buried, Blue Asbestos, that was stripped from the hundreds of steam loco's in the 60's when they were cut up for scrap. Prior to that all the Slag (Which contains rare earth metal toxins from the blast furnaces) was tipped on there, from day one of the operation of those furnaces. Not only that, when the "Works" made flail tanks, they were tested on the slag, trashing and spreading it everywhere. The developers must not be allowed to just cover that lot up, they should be made to clear the site of all these contaminants in an environmentally friendly way. After that I would still not be interested in buying a house on there.
Part of the Red Moss were obviously used, but not in recent years. The boundary of what is the Loco works site as not been expanded since about 1950, but within that boundary there is somewhere buried, Blue Asbestos, that was stripped from the hundreds of steam loco's in the 60's when they were cut up for scrap. Prior to that all the Slag (Which contains rare earth metal toxins from the blast furnaces) was tipped on there, from day one of the operation of those furnaces. Not only that, when the "Works" made flail tanks, they were tested on the slag, trashing and spreading it everywhere. The developers must not be allowed to just cover that lot up, they should be made to clear the site of all these contaminants in an environmentally friendly way. After that I would still not be interested in buying a house on there. Brumas
  • Score: 5

6:25pm Sat 22 Feb 14

MyownPOV says...

Brumas, you are absolutely right, blue and white and grey asbestos. Horwich and surrounding towns that provided the workforce have had many asbestosis related illnesses and deaths resulting from their exposure while working on those premises. My father died of lung cancer which was proven to be from exposure to that very asbestos. The fabric of the buildings must also be contaminated with dust and powder residue from that horrible material. As you say, any developer must not be allowed to just clay cap and cover the land but remove it and safely dispose of it and they they must also clean the buildings to prevent escape of the harmful residues before demolition. Let's see them make money on the back of those costs.
Brumas, you are absolutely right, blue and white and grey asbestos. Horwich and surrounding towns that provided the workforce have had many asbestosis related illnesses and deaths resulting from their exposure while working on those premises. My father died of lung cancer which was proven to be from exposure to that very asbestos. The fabric of the buildings must also be contaminated with dust and powder residue from that horrible material. As you say, any developer must not be allowed to just clay cap and cover the land but remove it and safely dispose of it and they they must also clean the buildings to prevent escape of the harmful residues before demolition. Let's see them make money on the back of those costs. MyownPOV
  • Score: 1

1:13pm Sun 23 Feb 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

MyownPOV wrote:
Brumas, you are absolutely right, blue and white and grey asbestos. Horwich and surrounding towns that provided the workforce have had many asbestosis related illnesses and deaths resulting from their exposure while working on those premises. My father died of lung cancer which was proven to be from exposure to that very asbestos. The fabric of the buildings must also be contaminated with dust and powder residue from that horrible material. As you say, any developer must not be allowed to just clay cap and cover the land but remove it and safely dispose of it and they they must also clean the buildings to prevent escape of the harmful residues before demolition. Let's see them make money on the back of those costs.
Oh dear, I hope I've not caught anything after 'milling' around the site and it's boundary's a couple of months ago.
[quote][p][bold]MyownPOV[/bold] wrote: Brumas, you are absolutely right, blue and white and grey asbestos. Horwich and surrounding towns that provided the workforce have had many asbestosis related illnesses and deaths resulting from their exposure while working on those premises. My father died of lung cancer which was proven to be from exposure to that very asbestos. The fabric of the buildings must also be contaminated with dust and powder residue from that horrible material. As you say, any developer must not be allowed to just clay cap and cover the land but remove it and safely dispose of it and they they must also clean the buildings to prevent escape of the harmful residues before demolition. Let's see them make money on the back of those costs.[/p][/quote]Oh dear, I hope I've not caught anything after 'milling' around the site and it's boundary's a couple of months ago. FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 0

7:44am Mon 24 Feb 14

Lee3695 says...

FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
MyownPOV wrote: The road congestion is a problem. The land contamination is more of a concern on that land. A deadly toxic dump.
I believe some area of Red Moss was used as a landfill site was it not?
The 'hill' to the east of Red Moss was an old GMWDA landfill site, however Horwich Works also had a landfill that is full of asbestos and other toxins between the domestic landfill and the loco works. I understand the former Victoria Mill also used to use the site a s waste dump.
[quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MyownPOV[/bold] wrote: The road congestion is a problem. The land contamination is more of a concern on that land. A deadly toxic dump.[/p][/quote]I believe some area of Red Moss was used as a landfill site was it not?[/p][/quote]The 'hill' to the east of Red Moss was an old GMWDA landfill site, however Horwich Works also had a landfill that is full of asbestos and other toxins between the domestic landfill and the loco works. I understand the former Victoria Mill also used to use the site a s waste dump. Lee3695
  • Score: 0

9:23pm Tue 25 Feb 14

steverock6@sky.com says...

Brumas wrote:
Councillor Steven Rock in reply to ARBEE wrote People who come out with statements like this just show their ignorance about not only the planning system but also on how government works! councillors are dedicated people who give their time for free to try and improve people’s lives many work and give their evenings and weekends up for this while others enjoy their free time!
Which is all very well and good, but last night’s meeting illustrated several things: - How out of touch the Town Councillors are with the views of the Horwich Electorate, by not expressing views that reflected those aired by the residents last night to Bolton Council beforehand. How inadequate Horwich Town Council are by not again expressing the views aired by the residents to Bolton Council beforehand, rather than getting steam rollered last night. Horwich Councillors must have realised that Horwich Council should not exist, because people power is greater than their power. Or finally how long the smoke and mirrors Council meeting lasted prior to the aborted planning meeting, which was just eight minutes.
If you attended the meeting you should know that I said before the meeting many months ago that it should be heard seperatly from the main meeting I do listen to peoples views and always have done what you say is no more than an insult if you think you can do better become a councillor! The reason people did not get long enough to speak is because the Labour lead council did not do what I said if they had all evening would have been devoted to this application giving more time for the public as far as speaking to Bolton council before the process is public consultation which I said was not good enough the next step is for the developer to put an application in which then comes to a meeting and after listening to the public the council makes a recommendation to Bolton council who can agree or turn it down because they are the planning authority if horwich council did not exist and this application went to Bolton direct just one member of the public can speak and only for 2 minutes keep this in mind nect time you comment
[quote][p][bold]Brumas[/bold] wrote: Councillor Steven Rock in reply to ARBEE wrote People who come out with statements like this just show their ignorance about not only the planning system but also on how government works! councillors are dedicated people who give their time for free to try and improve people’s lives many work and give their evenings and weekends up for this while others enjoy their free time! Which is all very well and good, but last night’s meeting illustrated several things: - How out of touch the Town Councillors are with the views of the Horwich Electorate, by not expressing views that reflected those aired by the residents last night to Bolton Council beforehand. How inadequate Horwich Town Council are by not again expressing the views aired by the residents to Bolton Council beforehand, rather than getting steam rollered last night. Horwich Councillors must have realised that Horwich Council should not exist, because people power is greater than their power. Or finally how long the smoke and mirrors Council meeting lasted prior to the aborted planning meeting, which was just eight minutes.[/p][/quote]If you attended the meeting you should know that I said before the meeting many months ago that it should be heard seperatly from the main meeting I do listen to peoples views and always have done what you say is no more than an insult if you think you can do better become a councillor! The reason people did not get long enough to speak is because the Labour lead council did not do what I said if they had all evening would have been devoted to this application giving more time for the public as far as speaking to Bolton council before the process is public consultation which I said was not good enough the next step is for the developer to put an application in which then comes to a meeting and after listening to the public the council makes a recommendation to Bolton council who can agree or turn it down because they are the planning authority if horwich council did not exist and this application went to Bolton direct just one member of the public can speak and only for 2 minutes keep this in mind nect time you comment steverock6@sky.com
  • Score: 0

12:07pm Wed 26 Feb 14

MOANYMUM says...

I have emailed all my concerns to the planning dept today, not sure it will help but I am entitled to my say and more Horwich people should do the same. Let's be honest, it will happen so we may as well get involved now.
I have emailed all my concerns to the planning dept today, not sure it will help but I am entitled to my say and more Horwich people should do the same. Let's be honest, it will happen so we may as well get involved now. MOANYMUM
  • Score: 0

12:18pm Wed 26 Feb 14

aangel says...

MOANYMUM wrote:
I have emailed all my concerns to the planning dept today, not sure it will help but I am entitled to my say and more Horwich people should do the same. Let's be honest, it will happen so we may as well get involved now.
please will you give the link? also if your on facebook could you post the link in the event as posted above xxx
[quote][p][bold]MOANYMUM[/bold] wrote: I have emailed all my concerns to the planning dept today, not sure it will help but I am entitled to my say and more Horwich people should do the same. Let's be honest, it will happen so we may as well get involved now.[/p][/quote]please will you give the link? also if your on facebook could you post the link in the event as posted above xxx aangel
  • Score: 0

6:46pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Brumas says...

MOANYMUM wrote:
I have emailed all my concerns to the planning dept today, not sure it will help but I am entitled to my say and more Horwich people should do the same. Let's be honest, it will happen so we may as well get involved now.
Thank you for that has Tesco say "Every little helps," unfortunately the planning dept no longer add your objection/comment to the documentation posted on line. They say, they no longer have the resources to do so, which leaves the general public not knowing just how many objections/comments have been posted. Which leads to all developers having the upper hand, with only developers documents and statuary consultees comments printed.
[quote][p][bold]MOANYMUM[/bold] wrote: I have emailed all my concerns to the planning dept today, not sure it will help but I am entitled to my say and more Horwich people should do the same. Let's be honest, it will happen so we may as well get involved now.[/p][/quote]Thank you for that has Tesco say "Every little helps," unfortunately the planning dept no longer add your objection/comment to the documentation posted on line. They say, they no longer have the resources to do so, which leaves the general public not knowing just how many objections/comments have been posted. Which leads to all developers having the upper hand, with only developers documents and statuary consultees comments printed. Brumas
  • Score: 0

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