In pictures: 40 years of Greater Manchester Police in Bolton

In pictures: 40 years of Greater Manchester Police in Bolton

Bolton policing — on a motorbike

The Bolton police control room

A woman officer on point duty

PC Norris with the first Bolton police car

Morse Code training for police officers

Morse Code training for police officers

First published in News
Last updated
The Bolton News: Photograph of the Author by , crime reporter

GREATER Manchester Police turn 40 today — and have released pictures from their archive of policing in Bolton to mark the milestone.

The force responsible for policing Bolton was formed on April 1, 1974, when Manchester and Salford Police joined with parts of Cheshire Constabulary and Lancashire Constabulary.

A special five-a-side football tournament will be hosted by Bolton police in Victoria Square on May 3 to celebrate the anniversary.

Vintage police pictures from the archives include the town’s first police car and officers on horseback outside the Grand Theatre in Churchgate in the 1940s.

Chief Constable Sir Peter Fahy said: “We grew out of borough and city forces that were very close to their communities and we have returned to that with our commitment to neighbourhood policing.

“What has changed is new technology and new ways of committing crime and different social attitudes, along with a more diverse community, and we have developed new specialisms to deal with this.

“The force now faces the greatest challenge in its history with the spending reductions, but will stick true to the principles of policing by consent.”

The police has been allocated £40,000 worth of funding from police and crime commissioner Tony Lloyd as part of Project 40, which will continue to build strong relationships with the people of Greater Manchester.

GMP’s most notable achievements include continued investigations into the moors murders of the 1960s, investigations into serial killer Harold Shipman in 1998 and tackling the gun crime epidemic in south Manchester in the 1990s and 2000s.

The Bolton News:

Bolton police’s fast car in 1935

You can see more old photos of Bolton in our Looking Back section here.

Comments (27)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

9:01am Tue 1 Apr 14

Phil from Smithills says...

Not forgetting that we had our own Bolton Borough Police Force for decades, before amalgamating with the Lancashire Constabulary for a very short time prior to the GMP in 1974.

The Bolton Borough Police were closer to the community than the present system.
Not forgetting that we had our own Bolton Borough Police Force for decades, before amalgamating with the Lancashire Constabulary for a very short time prior to the GMP in 1974. The Bolton Borough Police were closer to the community than the present system. Phil from Smithills
  • Score: 12

9:23am Tue 1 Apr 14

The Squire In Residence says...

Forgive my ignorance everyone...but they are not photos from 1974 onwards; at least, not my recollection of the bobbies on the beat.

Another version of the police misleading the public...hehe!
Forgive my ignorance everyone...but they are not photos from 1974 onwards; at least, not my recollection of the bobbies on the beat. Another version of the police misleading the public...hehe! The Squire In Residence
  • Score: 18

9:28am Tue 1 Apr 14

The Squire In Residence says...

I know this is off topic, but as there are no comments on the page - NO NEW CONTRACT FOR ZAT KNIGHT!
I know this is off topic, but as there are no comments on the page - NO NEW CONTRACT FOR ZAT KNIGHT! The Squire In Residence
  • Score: 18

9:59am Tue 1 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

Good Luck trying to find a policeman nowadays!!!!
Good Luck trying to find a policeman nowadays!!!! Jim271
  • Score: 12

12:08pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Pat1992 says...

The Squire In Residence wrote:
I know this is off topic, but as there are no comments on the page - NO NEW CONTRACT FOR ZAT KNIGHT!
totally agree we basically have a get out of jail free card by having him out of contract in the summer... please do't offer him a new deal!
[quote][p][bold]The Squire In Residence[/bold] wrote: I know this is off topic, but as there are no comments on the page - NO NEW CONTRACT FOR ZAT KNIGHT![/p][/quote]totally agree we basically have a get out of jail free card by having him out of contract in the summer... please do't offer him a new deal! Pat1992
  • Score: 6

12:46pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Paul.Evs says...

The Squire In Residence wrote:
Forgive my ignorance everyone...but they are not photos from 1974 onwards; at least, not my recollection of the bobbies on the beat.

Another version of the police misleading the public...hehe!
The story clearly states that there are vintage photographs from the 1940's.

The only person being misled seems to be yourself, perhaps you should have read the story before jumping to conclusions.
[quote][p][bold]The Squire In Residence[/bold] wrote: Forgive my ignorance everyone...but they are not photos from 1974 onwards; at least, not my recollection of the bobbies on the beat. Another version of the police misleading the public...hehe![/p][/quote]The story clearly states that there are vintage photographs from the 1940's. The only person being misled seems to be yourself, perhaps you should have read the story before jumping to conclusions. Paul.Evs
  • Score: -8

12:50pm Tue 1 Apr 14

cliff4treasurer says...

Zat knight, like Kevin Davies did,is now playing for a contract, no longer his guaranteed monthly fortune, and will no longer play as well once he gets signed again just as skd would not have done.
Thank's but no thank's Zat.
Zat knight, like Kevin Davies did,is now playing for a contract, no longer his guaranteed monthly fortune, and will no longer play as well once he gets signed again just as skd would not have done. Thank's but no thank's Zat. cliff4treasurer
  • Score: 7

1:11pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Reality50 says...

Today the county of Greater Manchester is also 40 years old. 40 years of hurt and Bolton has suffered massively in that time and our influence and status as a town has been diminished from being a key town in the North West to just being a dormitory town for Manchester these days. 40 years where we had our identity stripped. Let's return to Lancashire PLEASE!!!!!!!!!
Today the county of Greater Manchester is also 40 years old. 40 years of hurt and Bolton has suffered massively in that time and our influence and status as a town has been diminished from being a key town in the North West to just being a dormitory town for Manchester these days. 40 years where we had our identity stripped. Let's return to Lancashire PLEASE!!!!!!!!! Reality50
  • Score: 25

2:06pm Tue 1 Apr 14

trotter1874 says...

Reality50 wrote:
Today the county of Greater Manchester is also 40 years old. 40 years of hurt and Bolton has suffered massively in that time and our influence and status as a town has been diminished from being a key town in the North West to just being a dormitory town for Manchester these days. 40 years where we had our identity stripped. Let's return to Lancashire PLEASE!!!!!!!!!
Absolutely agree and in addition has failed to establish any from of identity. Can anyboby relate to people from Hyde or Altrincham...no? You'd think you'd been be able to, we've lived in the same county for 40 years. The truth is Greater Manchester is a thrown together, ill thought out jumble of communities that struggle to define the name and deep down don't really want it. Let's not forget also that in 1986 the Greater Manchester County Administration was disbanded and the authorities became unitary again so why is it still here?! We're Lancs not Mancs!
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Today the county of Greater Manchester is also 40 years old. 40 years of hurt and Bolton has suffered massively in that time and our influence and status as a town has been diminished from being a key town in the North West to just being a dormitory town for Manchester these days. 40 years where we had our identity stripped. Let's return to Lancashire PLEASE!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Absolutely agree and in addition has failed to establish any from of identity. Can anyboby relate to people from Hyde or Altrincham...no? You'd think you'd been be able to, we've lived in the same county for 40 years. The truth is Greater Manchester is a thrown together, ill thought out jumble of communities that struggle to define the name and deep down don't really want it. Let's not forget also that in 1986 the Greater Manchester County Administration was disbanded and the authorities became unitary again so why is it still here?! We're Lancs not Mancs! trotter1874
  • Score: 15

3:29pm Tue 1 Apr 14

The Squire In Residence says...

Paul.Evs wrote:
The Squire In Residence wrote:
Forgive my ignorance everyone...but they are not photos from 1974 onwards; at least, not my recollection of the bobbies on the beat.

Another version of the police misleading the public...hehe!
The story clearly states that there are vintage photographs from the 1940's.

The only person being misled seems to be yourself, perhaps you should have read the story before jumping to conclusions.
In pictures: 40 years of Greater Manchester Police in Bolton....
[quote][p][bold]Paul.Evs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Squire In Residence[/bold] wrote: Forgive my ignorance everyone...but they are not photos from 1974 onwards; at least, not my recollection of the bobbies on the beat. Another version of the police misleading the public...hehe![/p][/quote]The story clearly states that there are vintage photographs from the 1940's. The only person being misled seems to be yourself, perhaps you should have read the story before jumping to conclusions.[/p][/quote]In pictures: 40 years of Greater Manchester Police in Bolton.... The Squire In Residence
  • Score: 10

4:26pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Hulton Park says...

Why should we celebrate being lumbered with one of the most ineffective forces in the country, when had we remained with Lancashire Constabulary, we would have continued to be policed by one of the best-performing?
Why should we celebrate being lumbered with one of the most ineffective forces in the country, when had we remained with Lancashire Constabulary, we would have continued to be policed by one of the best-performing? Hulton Park
  • Score: 5

4:28pm Tue 1 Apr 14

BWFC71 says...

trotter1874 wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
Today the county of Greater Manchester is also 40 years old. 40 years of hurt and Bolton has suffered massively in that time and our influence and status as a town has been diminished from being a key town in the North West to just being a dormitory town for Manchester these days. 40 years where we had our identity stripped. Let's return to Lancashire PLEASE!!!!!!!!!
Absolutely agree and in addition has failed to establish any from of identity. Can anyboby relate to people from Hyde or Altrincham...no? You'd think you'd been be able to, we've lived in the same county for 40 years. The truth is Greater Manchester is a thrown together, ill thought out jumble of communities that struggle to define the name and deep down don't really want it. Let's not forget also that in 1986 the Greater Manchester County Administration was disbanded and the authorities became unitary again so why is it still here?! We're Lancs not Mancs!
So the golden days of the late 80's and the whole of the 90's has completely by-passed you?

Bolton was the gem in Greater Manchester - best shopping, best nightlife and best family orientated borough in the county!!! Yes beating Manchester by miles.

The only thing that killed it was Trafford Borough Council accepting the planning permission for the building of the Trafford Centre and mis-management by the councillors since the LibDem leadership in the late 90's and early 2000's, leading to the incompetence we have today from the Labourites! - and being any part of any other county would not have stopped the mis-management!!!
[quote][p][bold]trotter1874[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Today the county of Greater Manchester is also 40 years old. 40 years of hurt and Bolton has suffered massively in that time and our influence and status as a town has been diminished from being a key town in the North West to just being a dormitory town for Manchester these days. 40 years where we had our identity stripped. Let's return to Lancashire PLEASE!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Absolutely agree and in addition has failed to establish any from of identity. Can anyboby relate to people from Hyde or Altrincham...no? You'd think you'd been be able to, we've lived in the same county for 40 years. The truth is Greater Manchester is a thrown together, ill thought out jumble of communities that struggle to define the name and deep down don't really want it. Let's not forget also that in 1986 the Greater Manchester County Administration was disbanded and the authorities became unitary again so why is it still here?! We're Lancs not Mancs![/p][/quote]So the golden days of the late 80's and the whole of the 90's has completely by-passed you? Bolton was the gem in Greater Manchester - best shopping, best nightlife and best family orientated borough in the county!!! Yes beating Manchester by miles. The only thing that killed it was Trafford Borough Council accepting the planning permission for the building of the Trafford Centre and mis-management by the councillors since the LibDem leadership in the late 90's and early 2000's, leading to the incompetence we have today from the Labourites! - and being any part of any other county would not have stopped the mis-management!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -36

4:42pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Hulton Park says...

BWFC71 wrote:
trotter1874 wrote:
Reality50 wrote: Today the county of Greater Manchester is also 40 years old. 40 years of hurt and Bolton has suffered massively in that time and our influence and status as a town has been diminished from being a key town in the North West to just being a dormitory town for Manchester these days. 40 years where we had our identity stripped. Let's return to Lancashire PLEASE!!!!!!!!!
Absolutely agree and in addition has failed to establish any from of identity. Can anyboby relate to people from Hyde or Altrincham...no? You'd think you'd been be able to, we've lived in the same county for 40 years. The truth is Greater Manchester is a thrown together, ill thought out jumble of communities that struggle to define the name and deep down don't really want it. Let's not forget also that in 1986 the Greater Manchester County Administration was disbanded and the authorities became unitary again so why is it still here?! We're Lancs not Mancs!
So the golden days of the late 80's and the whole of the 90's has completely by-passed you? Bolton was the gem in Greater Manchester - best shopping, best nightlife and best family orientated borough in the county!!! Yes beating Manchester by miles. The only thing that killed it was Trafford Borough Council accepting the planning permission for the building of the Trafford Centre and mis-management by the councillors since the LibDem leadership in the late 90's and early 2000's, leading to the incompetence we have today from the Labourites! - and being any part of any other county would not have stopped the mis-management!!!
A moot point, BWFC71. The Trafford Centre hasn't helped (neither has Middlebrook), and of course we do have an administration of epically inept jobsworths.

However, without Greater Manchester, it is doubtful that Manchester would have enjoyed the renaissance it has in the last decade or so. The trouble is, the real "Greater Manchester" - the one for which a resurgence of Manchester is of direct and greatest benefit - has little to do with the 1974 county. The real economic Manchester is actually a very narrow area - a wedge spreading southwards from Manchester city centre into its well-heeled Cheshire hinterland.

I doubt very much, for example, that an independent, unitary Bolton would have been bamboozled and browbeaten into supporting the Airport City - like slitting our own throat, for a town like Bolton.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trotter1874[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Today the county of Greater Manchester is also 40 years old. 40 years of hurt and Bolton has suffered massively in that time and our influence and status as a town has been diminished from being a key town in the North West to just being a dormitory town for Manchester these days. 40 years where we had our identity stripped. Let's return to Lancashire PLEASE!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Absolutely agree and in addition has failed to establish any from of identity. Can anyboby relate to people from Hyde or Altrincham...no? You'd think you'd been be able to, we've lived in the same county for 40 years. The truth is Greater Manchester is a thrown together, ill thought out jumble of communities that struggle to define the name and deep down don't really want it. Let's not forget also that in 1986 the Greater Manchester County Administration was disbanded and the authorities became unitary again so why is it still here?! We're Lancs not Mancs![/p][/quote]So the golden days of the late 80's and the whole of the 90's has completely by-passed you? Bolton was the gem in Greater Manchester - best shopping, best nightlife and best family orientated borough in the county!!! Yes beating Manchester by miles. The only thing that killed it was Trafford Borough Council accepting the planning permission for the building of the Trafford Centre and mis-management by the councillors since the LibDem leadership in the late 90's and early 2000's, leading to the incompetence we have today from the Labourites! - and being any part of any other county would not have stopped the mis-management!!![/p][/quote]A moot point, BWFC71. The Trafford Centre hasn't helped (neither has Middlebrook), and of course we do have an administration of epically inept jobsworths. However, without Greater Manchester, it is doubtful that Manchester would have enjoyed the renaissance it has in the last decade or so. The trouble is, the real "Greater Manchester" - the one for which a resurgence of Manchester is of direct and greatest benefit - has little to do with the 1974 county. The real economic Manchester is actually a very narrow area - a wedge spreading southwards from Manchester city centre into its well-heeled Cheshire hinterland. I doubt very much, for example, that an independent, unitary Bolton would have been bamboozled and browbeaten into supporting the Airport City - like slitting our own throat, for a town like Bolton. Hulton Park
  • Score: 8

5:25pm Tue 1 Apr 14

BWFC71 says...

Hulton Park wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
trotter1874 wrote:
Reality50 wrote: Today the county of Greater Manchester is also 40 years old. 40 years of hurt and Bolton has suffered massively in that time and our influence and status as a town has been diminished from being a key town in the North West to just being a dormitory town for Manchester these days. 40 years where we had our identity stripped. Let's return to Lancashire PLEASE!!!!!!!!!
Absolutely agree and in addition has failed to establish any from of identity. Can anyboby relate to people from Hyde or Altrincham...no? You'd think you'd been be able to, we've lived in the same county for 40 years. The truth is Greater Manchester is a thrown together, ill thought out jumble of communities that struggle to define the name and deep down don't really want it. Let's not forget also that in 1986 the Greater Manchester County Administration was disbanded and the authorities became unitary again so why is it still here?! We're Lancs not Mancs!
So the golden days of the late 80's and the whole of the 90's has completely by-passed you? Bolton was the gem in Greater Manchester - best shopping, best nightlife and best family orientated borough in the county!!! Yes beating Manchester by miles. The only thing that killed it was Trafford Borough Council accepting the planning permission for the building of the Trafford Centre and mis-management by the councillors since the LibDem leadership in the late 90's and early 2000's, leading to the incompetence we have today from the Labourites! - and being any part of any other county would not have stopped the mis-management!!!
A moot point, BWFC71. The Trafford Centre hasn't helped (neither has Middlebrook), and of course we do have an administration of epically inept jobsworths.

However, without Greater Manchester, it is doubtful that Manchester would have enjoyed the renaissance it has in the last decade or so. The trouble is, the real "Greater Manchester" - the one for which a resurgence of Manchester is of direct and greatest benefit - has little to do with the 1974 county. The real economic Manchester is actually a very narrow area - a wedge spreading southwards from Manchester city centre into its well-heeled Cheshire hinterland.

I doubt very much, for example, that an independent, unitary Bolton would have been bamboozled and browbeaten into supporting the Airport City - like slitting our own throat, for a town like Bolton.
There is only one real reason why there was a resurgence in Manchester in the last decade.

The IRA bombing of Manchester in 1996 - the biggest mainland bomb since the second world war - which basically destroyed the city centre and it had to be rebuilt, but at the same time they had a few councillors who had a vision for the future (whilst our councillors were running out of ideas). Those councillors got together with businesses and gained investment not only to rebuild the city centre but make it a "European" style city and then someone brought up the grand idea of introducing the Christmas Markets and then the Ferris Wheel to compete with London and gain a reputation for so-called the Capital of the North! And to be fair Manchester has not looked back

Would that have still happened if it was still in Lancashire - course it would!!! Don't let the rose-tinted spectacles tell you anything else. If Greater Manchester had not been created it would still have been a Unitarian Borough/city in its own right and, in fact, that would have been more detrimental to Bolton as it wouldn't have had to consult with Bolton about anything it did, or even about the expansion of the airport as it owned 100% of the airport before 1974!!!

But another factor are international businesses that see Manchester as a centre for the North because of the airport and as such would rather invest in the city than any of the surrounding towns - and yes that is a detriment to Liverpool, Preston, Chester and even Lancaster! But that is not unique to Manchester but it happens to all major cities that have major international airport hubs (remember in the UK Manchester is the 2nd or 3rd busiest airport depending upon which report is read) - look at Schiphol Airport that is a detriment to cities like Hoorn, Amstelveen, Almere, Lelystad and Zoetermeer!
[quote][p][bold]Hulton Park[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trotter1874[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Today the county of Greater Manchester is also 40 years old. 40 years of hurt and Bolton has suffered massively in that time and our influence and status as a town has been diminished from being a key town in the North West to just being a dormitory town for Manchester these days. 40 years where we had our identity stripped. Let's return to Lancashire PLEASE!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Absolutely agree and in addition has failed to establish any from of identity. Can anyboby relate to people from Hyde or Altrincham...no? You'd think you'd been be able to, we've lived in the same county for 40 years. The truth is Greater Manchester is a thrown together, ill thought out jumble of communities that struggle to define the name and deep down don't really want it. Let's not forget also that in 1986 the Greater Manchester County Administration was disbanded and the authorities became unitary again so why is it still here?! We're Lancs not Mancs![/p][/quote]So the golden days of the late 80's and the whole of the 90's has completely by-passed you? Bolton was the gem in Greater Manchester - best shopping, best nightlife and best family orientated borough in the county!!! Yes beating Manchester by miles. The only thing that killed it was Trafford Borough Council accepting the planning permission for the building of the Trafford Centre and mis-management by the councillors since the LibDem leadership in the late 90's and early 2000's, leading to the incompetence we have today from the Labourites! - and being any part of any other county would not have stopped the mis-management!!![/p][/quote]A moot point, BWFC71. The Trafford Centre hasn't helped (neither has Middlebrook), and of course we do have an administration of epically inept jobsworths. However, without Greater Manchester, it is doubtful that Manchester would have enjoyed the renaissance it has in the last decade or so. The trouble is, the real "Greater Manchester" - the one for which a resurgence of Manchester is of direct and greatest benefit - has little to do with the 1974 county. The real economic Manchester is actually a very narrow area - a wedge spreading southwards from Manchester city centre into its well-heeled Cheshire hinterland. I doubt very much, for example, that an independent, unitary Bolton would have been bamboozled and browbeaten into supporting the Airport City - like slitting our own throat, for a town like Bolton.[/p][/quote]There is only one real reason why there was a resurgence in Manchester in the last decade. The IRA bombing of Manchester in 1996 - the biggest mainland bomb since the second world war - which basically destroyed the city centre and it had to be rebuilt, but at the same time they had a few councillors who had a vision for the future (whilst our councillors were running out of ideas). Those councillors got together with businesses and gained investment not only to rebuild the city centre but make it a "European" style city and then someone brought up the grand idea of introducing the Christmas Markets and then the Ferris Wheel to compete with London and gain a reputation for so-called the Capital of the North! And to be fair Manchester has not looked back Would that have still happened if it was still in Lancashire - course it would!!! Don't let the rose-tinted spectacles tell you anything else. If Greater Manchester had not been created it would still have been a Unitarian Borough/city in its own right and, in fact, that would have been more detrimental to Bolton as it wouldn't have had to consult with Bolton about anything it did, or even about the expansion of the airport as it owned 100% of the airport before 1974!!! But another factor are international businesses that see Manchester as a centre for the North because of the airport and as such would rather invest in the city than any of the surrounding towns - and yes that is a detriment to Liverpool, Preston, Chester and even Lancaster! But that is not unique to Manchester but it happens to all major cities that have major international airport hubs (remember in the UK Manchester is the 2nd or 3rd busiest airport depending upon which report is read) - look at Schiphol Airport that is a detriment to cities like Hoorn, Amstelveen, Almere, Lelystad and Zoetermeer! BWFC71
  • Score: -44

6:50pm Tue 1 Apr 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

Can't say 'Policeman' any more. This country has become too PC! Choose Chorley! haha
Can't say 'Policeman' any more. This country has become too PC! Choose Chorley! haha FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 3

7:21pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Hulton Park says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Hulton Park wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
trotter1874 wrote:
Reality50 wrote: Today the county of Greater Manchester is also 40 years old. 40 years of hurt and Bolton has suffered massively in that time and our influence and status as a town has been diminished from being a key town in the North West to just being a dormitory town for Manchester these days. 40 years where we had our identity stripped. Let's return to Lancashire PLEASE!!!!!!!!!
Absolutely agree and in addition has failed to establish any from of identity. Can anyboby relate to people from Hyde or Altrincham...no? You'd think you'd been be able to, we've lived in the same county for 40 years. The truth is Greater Manchester is a thrown together, ill thought out jumble of communities that struggle to define the name and deep down don't really want it. Let's not forget also that in 1986 the Greater Manchester County Administration was disbanded and the authorities became unitary again so why is it still here?! We're Lancs not Mancs!
So the golden days of the late 80's and the whole of the 90's has completely by-passed you? Bolton was the gem in Greater Manchester - best shopping, best nightlife and best family orientated borough in the county!!! Yes beating Manchester by miles. The only thing that killed it was Trafford Borough Council accepting the planning permission for the building of the Trafford Centre and mis-management by the councillors since the LibDem leadership in the late 90's and early 2000's, leading to the incompetence we have today from the Labourites! - and being any part of any other county would not have stopped the mis-management!!!
A moot point, BWFC71. The Trafford Centre hasn't helped (neither has Middlebrook), and of course we do have an administration of epically inept jobsworths. However, without Greater Manchester, it is doubtful that Manchester would have enjoyed the renaissance it has in the last decade or so. The trouble is, the real "Greater Manchester" - the one for which a resurgence of Manchester is of direct and greatest benefit - has little to do with the 1974 county. The real economic Manchester is actually a very narrow area - a wedge spreading southwards from Manchester city centre into its well-heeled Cheshire hinterland. I doubt very much, for example, that an independent, unitary Bolton would have been bamboozled and browbeaten into supporting the Airport City - like slitting our own throat, for a town like Bolton.
There is only one real reason why there was a resurgence in Manchester in the last decade. The IRA bombing of Manchester in 1996 - the biggest mainland bomb since the second world war - which basically destroyed the city centre and it had to be rebuilt, but at the same time they had a few councillors who had a vision for the future (whilst our councillors were running out of ideas). Those councillors got together with businesses and gained investment not only to rebuild the city centre but make it a "European" style city and then someone brought up the grand idea of introducing the Christmas Markets and then the Ferris Wheel to compete with London and gain a reputation for so-called the Capital of the North! And to be fair Manchester has not looked back Would that have still happened if it was still in Lancashire - course it would!!! Don't let the rose-tinted spectacles tell you anything else. If Greater Manchester had not been created it would still have been a Unitarian Borough/city in its own right and, in fact, that would have been more detrimental to Bolton as it wouldn't have had to consult with Bolton about anything it did, or even about the expansion of the airport as it owned 100% of the airport before 1974!!! But another factor are international businesses that see Manchester as a centre for the North because of the airport and as such would rather invest in the city than any of the surrounding towns - and yes that is a detriment to Liverpool, Preston, Chester and even Lancaster! But that is not unique to Manchester but it happens to all major cities that have major international airport hubs (remember in the UK Manchester is the 2nd or 3rd busiest airport depending upon which report is read) - look at Schiphol Airport that is a detriment to cities like Hoorn, Amstelveen, Almere, Lelystad and Zoetermeer!
...a detriment to the surrounding towns, including Bolton!

A so-called city region that is so heavily tilted economically towards the south is an unbalanced one. It is hard to see what exactly Bolton gains from Greater Manchester that it would not still enjoy were it a freestanding borough (like Warrington or Blackburn-with-Darwe
n) within the NW region. There is a lot that indicates we are effectively subsidizing other areas whilst lumped in with GM. In effect, we have in Greater Manchester a "reverse Robin Hood" situation, with investment being diverted from worse-off areas to better-off ones.

Although Manchester owned Ringway outright prior to 1974, it would have still been forced to consult more widely, due to the fact that the airport lay outside the city boundary. What is unthinkable is to have ended up with the ludicrous situation we have now: the council of a town like Bolton, in desperate need of investment, effectively straitjacketed by local government arrangements into supporting an already advantaged rival in another authority. It is, moreover, one that is not particuarly easily accessible for Bolton's residents - especially compared with the good folk of Cheshire East, which is part of the REAL economic Manchester.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hulton Park[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trotter1874[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Today the county of Greater Manchester is also 40 years old. 40 years of hurt and Bolton has suffered massively in that time and our influence and status as a town has been diminished from being a key town in the North West to just being a dormitory town for Manchester these days. 40 years where we had our identity stripped. Let's return to Lancashire PLEASE!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Absolutely agree and in addition has failed to establish any from of identity. Can anyboby relate to people from Hyde or Altrincham...no? You'd think you'd been be able to, we've lived in the same county for 40 years. The truth is Greater Manchester is a thrown together, ill thought out jumble of communities that struggle to define the name and deep down don't really want it. Let's not forget also that in 1986 the Greater Manchester County Administration was disbanded and the authorities became unitary again so why is it still here?! We're Lancs not Mancs![/p][/quote]So the golden days of the late 80's and the whole of the 90's has completely by-passed you? Bolton was the gem in Greater Manchester - best shopping, best nightlife and best family orientated borough in the county!!! Yes beating Manchester by miles. The only thing that killed it was Trafford Borough Council accepting the planning permission for the building of the Trafford Centre and mis-management by the councillors since the LibDem leadership in the late 90's and early 2000's, leading to the incompetence we have today from the Labourites! - and being any part of any other county would not have stopped the mis-management!!![/p][/quote]A moot point, BWFC71. The Trafford Centre hasn't helped (neither has Middlebrook), and of course we do have an administration of epically inept jobsworths. However, without Greater Manchester, it is doubtful that Manchester would have enjoyed the renaissance it has in the last decade or so. The trouble is, the real "Greater Manchester" - the one for which a resurgence of Manchester is of direct and greatest benefit - has little to do with the 1974 county. The real economic Manchester is actually a very narrow area - a wedge spreading southwards from Manchester city centre into its well-heeled Cheshire hinterland. I doubt very much, for example, that an independent, unitary Bolton would have been bamboozled and browbeaten into supporting the Airport City - like slitting our own throat, for a town like Bolton.[/p][/quote]There is only one real reason why there was a resurgence in Manchester in the last decade. The IRA bombing of Manchester in 1996 - the biggest mainland bomb since the second world war - which basically destroyed the city centre and it had to be rebuilt, but at the same time they had a few councillors who had a vision for the future (whilst our councillors were running out of ideas). Those councillors got together with businesses and gained investment not only to rebuild the city centre but make it a "European" style city and then someone brought up the grand idea of introducing the Christmas Markets and then the Ferris Wheel to compete with London and gain a reputation for so-called the Capital of the North! And to be fair Manchester has not looked back Would that have still happened if it was still in Lancashire - course it would!!! Don't let the rose-tinted spectacles tell you anything else. If Greater Manchester had not been created it would still have been a Unitarian Borough/city in its own right and, in fact, that would have been more detrimental to Bolton as it wouldn't have had to consult with Bolton about anything it did, or even about the expansion of the airport as it owned 100% of the airport before 1974!!! But another factor are international businesses that see Manchester as a centre for the North because of the airport and as such would rather invest in the city than any of the surrounding towns - and yes that is a detriment to Liverpool, Preston, Chester and even Lancaster! But that is not unique to Manchester but it happens to all major cities that have major international airport hubs (remember in the UK Manchester is the 2nd or 3rd busiest airport depending upon which report is read) - look at Schiphol Airport that is a detriment to cities like Hoorn, Amstelveen, Almere, Lelystad and Zoetermeer![/p][/quote]...a detriment to the surrounding towns, including Bolton! A so-called city region that is so heavily tilted economically towards the south is an unbalanced one. It is hard to see what exactly Bolton gains from Greater Manchester that it would not still enjoy were it a freestanding borough (like Warrington or Blackburn-with-Darwe n) within the NW region. There is a lot that indicates we are effectively subsidizing other areas whilst lumped in with GM. In effect, we have in Greater Manchester a "reverse Robin Hood" situation, with investment being diverted from worse-off areas to better-off ones. Although Manchester owned Ringway outright prior to 1974, it would have still been forced to consult more widely, due to the fact that the airport lay outside the city boundary. What is unthinkable is to have ended up with the ludicrous situation we have now: the council of a town like Bolton, in desperate need of investment, effectively straitjacketed by local government arrangements into supporting an already advantaged rival in another authority. It is, moreover, one that is not particuarly easily accessible for Bolton's residents - especially compared with the good folk of Cheshire East, which is part of the REAL economic Manchester. Hulton Park
  • Score: 3

7:22pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Reality50 says...

As a town culturally we have far more in common with Preston, Blackburn, Burnley as well as Wigan, Rochdale and Oldham. We have little or nothing in common with Manchester,,Trafford or Stockport. Our accent is much nearer the former towns i mentioned as is the mentality. The only ones that have done well out of Greater Manchester have been Manchester as all the inward investment shows. We need to be a big fish in a smaller pond-Lancashire-than a tiddler next to England's second highest profile city.
As a town culturally we have far more in common with Preston, Blackburn, Burnley as well as Wigan, Rochdale and Oldham. We have little or nothing in common with Manchester,,Trafford or Stockport. Our accent is much nearer the former towns i mentioned as is the mentality. The only ones that have done well out of Greater Manchester have been Manchester as all the inward investment shows. We need to be a big fish in a smaller pond-Lancashire-than a tiddler next to England's second highest profile city. Reality50
  • Score: 8

7:58pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Phil from Smithills says...

Reality50 says....... that all the inward investment has gone to Manchester, ......well it may be worth noting that Bolton and the other 9 local authorities own an organisation called MIDAS its remitt states .........."MIDAS, acting on behalf of the ten Local Authorities of Greater Manchester, works to attract inward investment into the City Region by promoting Manchester as a leading European business location as well as a complementary proposition to the UK’s capital, London.

That is one reason why Bolton is struggling, Gtr Manchester has done little for Bolton, by its very name, the emphasis is on Manchester, that's why I feel a change of name to South Lancashire with North Cheshire would be more accurate and lessen the impact of Manchester dominance..

As for Manchester Airport, the ONLY reason Bolton has 3% stake in it , is because Margret Thatcher wanted to force Manchester City Council to sell it off, This was Manchester Councils way of avoiding the sell-off.
Reality50 says....... that all the inward investment has gone to Manchester, ......well it may be worth noting that Bolton and the other 9 local authorities own an organisation called MIDAS its remitt states .........."MIDAS, acting on behalf of the ten Local Authorities of Greater Manchester, works to attract inward investment into the City Region by promoting Manchester as a leading European business location as well as a complementary proposition to the UK’s capital, London. That is one reason why Bolton is struggling, Gtr Manchester has done little for Bolton, by its very name, the emphasis is on Manchester, that's why I feel a change of name to South Lancashire with North Cheshire would be more accurate and lessen the impact of Manchester dominance.. As for Manchester Airport, the ONLY reason Bolton has 3% stake in it , is because Margret Thatcher wanted to force Manchester City Council to sell it off, This was Manchester Councils way of avoiding the sell-off. Phil from Smithills
  • Score: 12

12:01am Wed 2 Apr 14

BWFC71 says...

Manchester Airport up until 1974 was owned by Manchester City Council. Between 1974 and 1985 owned by Manchester County Council and long before the breakup of the County Council the 10 authorities got together to create an arms-length plc - Manchester Airport PLC!!! this was before any legislation to break up the Metropolitan County Councils!!! And as such they had actually protected themselves before any such sell-offs. Currently it is the MAG that owns the airport (and 3 others) which Manchester and an Aussie Fund Investment company both have 35.5% with the rest owning less than 3%!!! Oh and by the way when the PLC was set up in 1985 Bolton has 5% of the shares in the company!!!

As for SELNEC, Greater Manchester or even being still part of Lancashire - the emphasis would still feature Manchester as the principal place for business!!! Lets not forget that most of Bolton industrial heritage was paid for by Mancunians. transport of cotton was via the Manchester Ship Canal or via the Manchester-Liverpool railway. The cotton exchange was in Manchester, the mill owners came from Manchester, in the main. The finance Banks and shareholders were predominantly Manchester based. The same can also be said for Rochdale, Oldham, Bury, and Ashton, Blackburn was separated by the moors and as such the grew with Burney and Accrington and were more closely linked with Preston than what Bolton ever was!

Fact is, as history shows, we are becoming ore and more concentrated in larger regional zones. We went from cottage industry to mills, funded by London, Chester and Manchester and people moved to where the work was, then it became more concentrated into towns such as Bolton - that's how we grew over the last 100-200 years, and currently we are concentrating on the principal city for industry with people commuting from outlying towns - not just happening with Manchester but look at Leeds, Liverpool, Sheffield, Edinburgh, Glasgow - all at the detriment to the neighbours towns and then in the near future it will become concentrated even further with regional principalities such as the Manchester-Liverpool super region and Nottingham-Sheffield super region etc etc etc with jobs being concentrated in the area with the greatest transport links. Again its not because it is Manchester but because of the transport links the city has!!! It could easily have been Salford, if they had ever developed Barton aerodrome into the regions airport instead of Ringway and he city has better railway inks with terminii in that city instead of Manchester!!!

Fact is Bolton is in the Manchester regional zone with the concentration of work being in Manchester - yes I agree that is bad for our town, but the economic of the word we live in and the economics of the future. Bolton transport links have always been poor compared to Manchester - canals that faired economically speaking, railways that weren't profitable, and the main roads that lead to Salford and Manchester more than any other town/city and that would have happened even if SELNEC/Greater Manchester had never had been created.

Look at Lancashire as a whole (without the county boundaries) Liverpool growing at the detriment of surrounding borough councils, such as Southport and Halton. Preston growing at the detriment of east Lancashire borough such as Blackburn and Burnley, and then Lancaster has been outstripping Morecambe for decades!
Manchester Airport up until 1974 was owned by Manchester City Council. Between 1974 and 1985 owned by Manchester County Council and long before the breakup of the County Council the 10 authorities got together to create an arms-length plc - Manchester Airport PLC!!! this was before any legislation to break up the Metropolitan County Councils!!! And as such they had actually protected themselves before any such sell-offs. Currently it is the MAG that owns the airport (and 3 others) which Manchester and an Aussie Fund Investment company both have 35.5% with the rest owning less than 3%!!! Oh and by the way when the PLC was set up in 1985 Bolton has 5% of the shares in the company!!! As for SELNEC, Greater Manchester or even being still part of Lancashire - the emphasis would still feature Manchester as the principal place for business!!! Lets not forget that most of Bolton industrial heritage was paid for by Mancunians. transport of cotton was via the Manchester Ship Canal or via the Manchester-Liverpool railway. The cotton exchange was in Manchester, the mill owners came from Manchester, in the main. The finance Banks and shareholders were predominantly Manchester based. The same can also be said for Rochdale, Oldham, Bury, and Ashton, Blackburn was separated by the moors and as such the grew with Burney and Accrington and were more closely linked with Preston than what Bolton ever was! Fact is, as history shows, we are becoming ore and more concentrated in larger regional zones. We went from cottage industry to mills, funded by London, Chester and Manchester and people moved to where the work was, then it became more concentrated into towns such as Bolton - that's how we grew over the last 100-200 years, and currently we are concentrating on the principal city for industry with people commuting from outlying towns - not just happening with Manchester but look at Leeds, Liverpool, Sheffield, Edinburgh, Glasgow - all at the detriment to the neighbours towns and then in the near future it will become concentrated even further with regional principalities such as the Manchester-Liverpool super region and Nottingham-Sheffield super region etc etc etc with jobs being concentrated in the area with the greatest transport links. Again its not because it is Manchester but because of the transport links the city has!!! It could easily have been Salford, if they had ever developed Barton aerodrome into the regions airport instead of Ringway and he city has better railway inks with terminii in that city instead of Manchester!!! Fact is Bolton is in the Manchester regional zone with the concentration of work being in Manchester - yes I agree that is bad for our town, but the economic of the word we live in and the economics of the future. Bolton transport links have always been poor compared to Manchester - canals that faired economically speaking, railways that weren't profitable, and the main roads that lead to Salford and Manchester more than any other town/city and that would have happened even if SELNEC/Greater Manchester had never had been created. Look at Lancashire as a whole (without the county boundaries) Liverpool growing at the detriment of surrounding borough councils, such as Southport and Halton. Preston growing at the detriment of east Lancashire borough such as Blackburn and Burnley, and then Lancaster has been outstripping Morecambe for decades! BWFC71
  • Score: 0

1:22pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Paul.Evs says...

The Squire In Residence wrote:
Paul.Evs wrote:
The Squire In Residence wrote:
Forgive my ignorance everyone...but they are not photos from 1974 onwards; at least, not my recollection of the bobbies on the beat.

Another version of the police misleading the public...hehe!
The story clearly states that there are vintage photographs from the 1940's.

The only person being misled seems to be yourself, perhaps you should have read the story before jumping to conclusions.
In pictures: 40 years of Greater Manchester Police in Bolton....
Oh I see, you felt misled that the pictures didn't reflect the headline.

Life is full of disappointment isn't it, fingers crossed that things pick up soon x
[quote][p][bold]The Squire In Residence[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul.Evs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Squire In Residence[/bold] wrote: Forgive my ignorance everyone...but they are not photos from 1974 onwards; at least, not my recollection of the bobbies on the beat. Another version of the police misleading the public...hehe![/p][/quote]The story clearly states that there are vintage photographs from the 1940's. The only person being misled seems to be yourself, perhaps you should have read the story before jumping to conclusions.[/p][/quote]In pictures: 40 years of Greater Manchester Police in Bolton....[/p][/quote]Oh I see, you felt misled that the pictures didn't reflect the headline. Life is full of disappointment isn't it, fingers crossed that things pick up soon x Paul.Evs
  • Score: 0

6:35pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Ernagy2 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Manchester Airport up until 1974 was owned by Manchester City Council. Between 1974 and 1985 owned by Manchester County Council and long before the breakup of the County Council the 10 authorities got together to create an arms-length plc - Manchester Airport PLC!!! this was before any legislation to break up the Metropolitan County Councils!!! And as such they had actually protected themselves before any such sell-offs. Currently it is the MAG that owns the airport (and 3 others) which Manchester and an Aussie Fund Investment company both have 35.5% with the rest owning less than 3%!!! Oh and by the way when the PLC was set up in 1985 Bolton has 5% of the shares in the company!!!

As for SELNEC, Greater Manchester or even being still part of Lancashire - the emphasis would still feature Manchester as the principal place for business!!! Lets not forget that most of Bolton industrial heritage was paid for by Mancunians. transport of cotton was via the Manchester Ship Canal or via the Manchester-Liverpool railway. The cotton exchange was in Manchester, the mill owners came from Manchester, in the main. The finance Banks and shareholders were predominantly Manchester based. The same can also be said for Rochdale, Oldham, Bury, and Ashton, Blackburn was separated by the moors and as such the grew with Burney and Accrington and were more closely linked with Preston than what Bolton ever was!

Fact is, as history shows, we are becoming ore and more concentrated in larger regional zones. We went from cottage industry to mills, funded by London, Chester and Manchester and people moved to where the work was, then it became more concentrated into towns such as Bolton - that's how we grew over the last 100-200 years, and currently we are concentrating on the principal city for industry with people commuting from outlying towns - not just happening with Manchester but look at Leeds, Liverpool, Sheffield, Edinburgh, Glasgow - all at the detriment to the neighbours towns and then in the near future it will become concentrated even further with regional principalities such as the Manchester-Liverpool super region and Nottingham-Sheffield super region etc etc etc with jobs being concentrated in the area with the greatest transport links. Again its not because it is Manchester but because of the transport links the city has!!! It could easily have been Salford, if they had ever developed Barton aerodrome into the regions airport instead of Ringway and he city has better railway inks with terminii in that city instead of Manchester!!!

Fact is Bolton is in the Manchester regional zone with the concentration of work being in Manchester - yes I agree that is bad for our town, but the economic of the word we live in and the economics of the future. Bolton transport links have always been poor compared to Manchester - canals that faired economically speaking, railways that weren't profitable, and the main roads that lead to Salford and Manchester more than any other town/city and that would have happened even if SELNEC/Greater Manchester had never had been created.

Look at Lancashire as a whole (without the county boundaries) Liverpool growing at the detriment of surrounding borough councils, such as Southport and Halton. Preston growing at the detriment of east Lancashire borough such as Blackburn and Burnley, and then Lancaster has been outstripping Morecambe for decades!
"It could easily have been Salford, if they had ever developed Barton aerodrome into the regions airport instead of Ringway and he city has better railway inks with termini in that city instead of Manchester!!! "

It could so easily have been Bolton. There was a proposal to put Manchester Airport in Bolton.

Bolton has had plenty of chance to expand and invest, it (in my opinion) wasted the money from Europe and fails to gain lottery funding. The council ran out of ideas long before the 1980's and is suffering today.

The fact is the Council have never decided whether Bolton is a suburb of Manchester or a town in it's own right - I won't hold my breath while they decide. Yes, we are doing badly but it isn't Manchester's faulty. Though I have to say it doesn't help when one of the towns leaflets call Rivington Pike the "Greater Manchester Peaks". Nor doesn't help that quite a few of the Councillors (and I maybe wrong on this, but i hesitate to suggest including the mayor) are not from and not born in Bolton.

The town needs visitors and in order to get visitors you need attractions. I notice Salford have announced ambitious plans for Salford quays. Yet Bolton hasn't or doesn't seem to be inclined to have any plans at all. The ones that are suggested are quite minor - if welcome, e.g. the museum.
The fact that a town as big as Bolton, hasn't got an exhibition centre and a National Museum is one of the reasons why the town is doing poorly. Bigger visitor numbers would bring better shopping and businesses to Bolton.

The town has world class communication links better than towns such as Burnley, Oldham and Bury and really better than Nottingham and other cities. It does have a lot going for it, including (so I am told by a leading authority) the best example of a Victorian church in the country##1

Greater Manchester or MIDAS are short sighted just investing in Salford and Manchester, Bolton could be a gem in the Greater Manchester crown, but, the region has to decide where it wants to be and how it wants to be. There is no doubt that Greater Manchester authority has let Bolton down and it's Councillors of all political persuasions have to take the blame for that.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Manchester Airport up until 1974 was owned by Manchester City Council. Between 1974 and 1985 owned by Manchester County Council and long before the breakup of the County Council the 10 authorities got together to create an arms-length plc - Manchester Airport PLC!!! this was before any legislation to break up the Metropolitan County Councils!!! And as such they had actually protected themselves before any such sell-offs. Currently it is the MAG that owns the airport (and 3 others) which Manchester and an Aussie Fund Investment company both have 35.5% with the rest owning less than 3%!!! Oh and by the way when the PLC was set up in 1985 Bolton has 5% of the shares in the company!!! As for SELNEC, Greater Manchester or even being still part of Lancashire - the emphasis would still feature Manchester as the principal place for business!!! Lets not forget that most of Bolton industrial heritage was paid for by Mancunians. transport of cotton was via the Manchester Ship Canal or via the Manchester-Liverpool railway. The cotton exchange was in Manchester, the mill owners came from Manchester, in the main. The finance Banks and shareholders were predominantly Manchester based. The same can also be said for Rochdale, Oldham, Bury, and Ashton, Blackburn was separated by the moors and as such the grew with Burney and Accrington and were more closely linked with Preston than what Bolton ever was! Fact is, as history shows, we are becoming ore and more concentrated in larger regional zones. We went from cottage industry to mills, funded by London, Chester and Manchester and people moved to where the work was, then it became more concentrated into towns such as Bolton - that's how we grew over the last 100-200 years, and currently we are concentrating on the principal city for industry with people commuting from outlying towns - not just happening with Manchester but look at Leeds, Liverpool, Sheffield, Edinburgh, Glasgow - all at the detriment to the neighbours towns and then in the near future it will become concentrated even further with regional principalities such as the Manchester-Liverpool super region and Nottingham-Sheffield super region etc etc etc with jobs being concentrated in the area with the greatest transport links. Again its not because it is Manchester but because of the transport links the city has!!! It could easily have been Salford, if they had ever developed Barton aerodrome into the regions airport instead of Ringway and he city has better railway inks with terminii in that city instead of Manchester!!! Fact is Bolton is in the Manchester regional zone with the concentration of work being in Manchester - yes I agree that is bad for our town, but the economic of the word we live in and the economics of the future. Bolton transport links have always been poor compared to Manchester - canals that faired economically speaking, railways that weren't profitable, and the main roads that lead to Salford and Manchester more than any other town/city and that would have happened even if SELNEC/Greater Manchester had never had been created. Look at Lancashire as a whole (without the county boundaries) Liverpool growing at the detriment of surrounding borough councils, such as Southport and Halton. Preston growing at the detriment of east Lancashire borough such as Blackburn and Burnley, and then Lancaster has been outstripping Morecambe for decades![/p][/quote]"It could easily have been Salford, if they had ever developed Barton aerodrome into the regions airport instead of Ringway and he city has better railway inks with termini in that city instead of Manchester!!! " It could so easily have been Bolton. There was a proposal to put Manchester Airport in Bolton. Bolton has had plenty of chance to expand and invest, it (in my opinion) wasted the money from Europe and fails to gain lottery funding. The council ran out of ideas long before the 1980's and is suffering today. The fact is the Council have never decided whether Bolton is a suburb of Manchester or a town in it's own right - I won't hold my breath while they decide. Yes, we are doing badly but it isn't Manchester's faulty. Though I have to say it doesn't help when one of the towns leaflets call Rivington Pike the "Greater Manchester Peaks". Nor doesn't help that quite a few of the Councillors (and I maybe wrong on this, but i hesitate to suggest including the mayor) are not from and not born in Bolton. The town needs visitors and in order to get visitors you need attractions. I notice Salford have announced ambitious plans for Salford quays. Yet Bolton hasn't or doesn't seem to be inclined to have any plans at all. The ones that are suggested are quite minor - if welcome, e.g. the museum. The fact that a town as big as Bolton, hasn't got an exhibition centre and a National Museum is one of the reasons why the town is doing poorly. Bigger visitor numbers would bring better shopping and businesses to Bolton. The town has world class communication links better than towns such as Burnley, Oldham and Bury and really better than Nottingham and other cities. It does have a lot going for it, including (so I am told by a leading authority) the best example of a Victorian church in the country##1 Greater Manchester or MIDAS are short sighted just investing in Salford and Manchester, Bolton could be a gem in the Greater Manchester crown, but, the region has to decide where it wants to be and how it wants to be. There is no doubt that Greater Manchester authority has let Bolton down and it's Councillors of all political persuasions have to take the blame for that. Ernagy2
  • Score: 1

10:06am Thu 3 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

The council ran out of ideas long before the 1980's......

The Market Place and Bolton being THE place for shoppers to come far and wide, along with "family" entertainment such as The Water Place, Cinema, School holiday activities, the Busker challenge, street gallery (which had been going for a couple of decades on the town square), the Bolton Show, the Bolton Park races, Animal World, Butterfly World and the list goes on which were taking place during the 1980's and 1990's!!!!!

Manchester airport was NEVER going to be in Bolton as we never had the space for it. Only place viable would have been Lostock but then expansion was a great problem because of Horwich, Lostock, Blackrod and the moors!!! Long story short Bolton did not, and does not have enough "level" space to have an airport because 3/4 of the town is surrounded by moorland!

Apart from that we do actually agree on the sentiments on whats happened with the town and we totally agree that it is the fault of the councillors and not whether we are part of Greater Manchester or Lancashire! Even if we were still in Lancashire the LCC would have had key cities (Lancaster, Preston, Liverpool and Manchester) from which the outlying towns would have fed into - just like they do now with just Preston and Lancaster and anywhere else in between is suffering because of it (lets not forget that Blackburn with Darwen and Blackpool do not come under LCC and they are both suffering just as bad as Bolton)
The council ran out of ideas long before the 1980's...... The Market Place and Bolton being THE place for shoppers to come far and wide, along with "family" entertainment such as The Water Place, Cinema, School holiday activities, the Busker challenge, street gallery (which had been going for a couple of decades on the town square), the Bolton Show, the Bolton Park races, Animal World, Butterfly World and the list goes on which were taking place during the 1980's and 1990's!!!!! Manchester airport was NEVER going to be in Bolton as we never had the space for it. Only place viable would have been Lostock but then expansion was a great problem because of Horwich, Lostock, Blackrod and the moors!!! Long story short Bolton did not, and does not have enough "level" space to have an airport because 3/4 of the town is surrounded by moorland! Apart from that we do actually agree on the sentiments on whats happened with the town and we totally agree that it is the fault of the councillors and not whether we are part of Greater Manchester or Lancashire! Even if we were still in Lancashire the LCC would have had key cities (Lancaster, Preston, Liverpool and Manchester) from which the outlying towns would have fed into - just like they do now with just Preston and Lancaster and anywhere else in between is suffering because of it (lets not forget that Blackburn with Darwen and Blackpool do not come under LCC and they are both suffering just as bad as Bolton) The Righteous One
  • Score: 0

12:24pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Ernagy2 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
The council ran out of ideas long before the 1980's......

The Market Place and Bolton being THE place for shoppers to come far and wide, along with "family" entertainment such as The Water Place, Cinema, School holiday activities, the Busker challenge, street gallery (which had been going for a couple of decades on the town square), the Bolton Show, the Bolton Park races, Animal World, Butterfly World and the list goes on which were taking place during the 1980's and 1990's!!!!!

Manchester airport was NEVER going to be in Bolton as we never had the space for it. Only place viable would have been Lostock but then expansion was a great problem because of Horwich, Lostock, Blackrod and the moors!!! Long story short Bolton did not, and does not have enough "level" space to have an airport because 3/4 of the town is surrounded by moorland!

Apart from that we do actually agree on the sentiments on whats happened with the town and we totally agree that it is the fault of the councillors and not whether we are part of Greater Manchester or Lancashire! Even if we were still in Lancashire the LCC would have had key cities (Lancaster, Preston, Liverpool and Manchester) from which the outlying towns would have fed into - just like they do now with just Preston and Lancaster and anywhere else in between is suffering because of it (lets not forget that Blackburn with Darwen and Blackpool do not come under LCC and they are both suffering just as bad as Bolton)
The water place was a disaster and no one used it - that's why it shut down. The Cinemas closed, because the town centre had no room for multi screens and people prefer to get their cars and go to where the entertainment is. The other bits and pieces are just minor events. There have been NO big ideas in the town, and people outside the town stopped shopping in bolton in the late 70's.

This town needs visitors and not just people from Bolton doing their weekly shopping. As I say, the only way you'll do that is through a National Museum, National Art Gallery and an Exhibition centre. Greater Manchester is big enough to accommodate all of this and a bigger and better strategic plan needs to be put in place. Bolton Councillors are letting the Town down - more importantly the voters are letting the town down by constantly voting Labour. I'm no fan of the other parties, but give Labour a break for once - you can put them back two years later if you like. Just give this Labour Council a kick up the backside folks.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: The council ran out of ideas long before the 1980's...... The Market Place and Bolton being THE place for shoppers to come far and wide, along with "family" entertainment such as The Water Place, Cinema, School holiday activities, the Busker challenge, street gallery (which had been going for a couple of decades on the town square), the Bolton Show, the Bolton Park races, Animal World, Butterfly World and the list goes on which were taking place during the 1980's and 1990's!!!!! Manchester airport was NEVER going to be in Bolton as we never had the space for it. Only place viable would have been Lostock but then expansion was a great problem because of Horwich, Lostock, Blackrod and the moors!!! Long story short Bolton did not, and does not have enough "level" space to have an airport because 3/4 of the town is surrounded by moorland! Apart from that we do actually agree on the sentiments on whats happened with the town and we totally agree that it is the fault of the councillors and not whether we are part of Greater Manchester or Lancashire! Even if we were still in Lancashire the LCC would have had key cities (Lancaster, Preston, Liverpool and Manchester) from which the outlying towns would have fed into - just like they do now with just Preston and Lancaster and anywhere else in between is suffering because of it (lets not forget that Blackburn with Darwen and Blackpool do not come under LCC and they are both suffering just as bad as Bolton)[/p][/quote]The water place was a disaster and no one used it - that's why it shut down. The Cinemas closed, because the town centre had no room for multi screens and people prefer to get their cars and go to where the entertainment is. The other bits and pieces are just minor events. There have been NO big ideas in the town, and people outside the town stopped shopping in bolton in the late 70's. This town needs visitors and not just people from Bolton doing their weekly shopping. As I say, the only way you'll do that is through a National Museum, National Art Gallery and an Exhibition centre. Greater Manchester is big enough to accommodate all of this and a bigger and better strategic plan needs to be put in place. Bolton Councillors are letting the Town down - more importantly the voters are letting the town down by constantly voting Labour. I'm no fan of the other parties, but give Labour a break for once - you can put them back two years later if you like. Just give this Labour Council a kick up the backside folks. Ernagy2
  • Score: 1

12:46pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Ernagy2 says...

By the way, the three areas that have really benefited from Greater Manchester are Manchester (obviously) Salford and Bury. Not sure Stockport or Oldham have and Bolton certainly hasn't.

The Councillors need to take a long hard look at themselves and ask themselves - have they really looked after the interests of Bolton. Why is it that towns like Bury, Salford and Warrington have stolen a march on them?

I can remember people from Bury, Manchester, Lancaster, and Stockport - even Oldham came to Bolton to do their shopping. Not anymore. Sure shopping habits have changed.

But you have to cater for leisure activities more and more. People need somewhere to go during their time off and in particular somewhere to take the kids on rainy days. Somewhere that would get people from outside the town to come to Bolton, not just from within Greater Manchester, but from the rest of the country. That's why Bolton is missing out.
By the way, the three areas that have really benefited from Greater Manchester are Manchester (obviously) Salford and Bury. Not sure Stockport or Oldham have and Bolton certainly hasn't. The Councillors need to take a long hard look at themselves and ask themselves - have they really looked after the interests of Bolton. Why is it that towns like Bury, Salford and Warrington have stolen a march on them? I can remember people from Bury, Manchester, Lancaster, and Stockport - even Oldham came to Bolton to do their shopping. Not anymore. Sure shopping habits have changed. But you have to cater for leisure activities more and more. People need somewhere to go during their time off and in particular somewhere to take the kids on rainy days. Somewhere that would get people from outside the town to come to Bolton, not just from within Greater Manchester, but from the rest of the country. That's why Bolton is missing out. Ernagy2
  • Score: 1

1:33pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Ernagy2 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Manchester Airport up until 1974 was owned by Manchester City Council. Between 1974 and 1985 owned by Manchester County Council and long before the breakup of the County Council the 10 authorities got together to create an arms-length plc - Manchester Airport PLC!!! this was before any legislation to break up the Metropolitan County Councils!!! And as such they had actually protected themselves before any such sell-offs. Currently it is the MAG that owns the airport (and 3 others) which Manchester and an Aussie Fund Investment company both have 35.5% with the rest owning less than 3%!!! Oh and by the way when the PLC was set up in 1985 Bolton has 5% of the shares in the company!!!

As for SELNEC, Greater Manchester or even being still part of Lancashire - the emphasis would still feature Manchester as the principal place for business!!! Lets not forget that most of Bolton industrial heritage was paid for by Mancunians. transport of cotton was via the Manchester Ship Canal or via the Manchester-Liverpool railway. The cotton exchange was in Manchester, the mill owners came from Manchester, in the main. The finance Banks and shareholders were predominantly Manchester based. The same can also be said for Rochdale, Oldham, Bury, and Ashton, Blackburn was separated by the moors and as such the grew with Burney and Accrington and were more closely linked with Preston than what Bolton ever was!

Fact is, as history shows, we are becoming ore and more concentrated in larger regional zones. We went from cottage industry to mills, funded by London, Chester and Manchester and people moved to where the work was, then it became more concentrated into towns such as Bolton - that's how we grew over the last 100-200 years, and currently we are concentrating on the principal city for industry with people commuting from outlying towns - not just happening with Manchester but look at Leeds, Liverpool, Sheffield, Edinburgh, Glasgow - all at the detriment to the neighbours towns and then in the near future it will become concentrated even further with regional principalities such as the Manchester-Liverpool super region and Nottingham-Sheffield super region etc etc etc with jobs being concentrated in the area with the greatest transport links. Again its not because it is Manchester but because of the transport links the city has!!! It could easily have been Salford, if they had ever developed Barton aerodrome into the regions airport instead of Ringway and he city has better railway inks with terminii in that city instead of Manchester!!!

Fact is Bolton is in the Manchester regional zone with the concentration of work being in Manchester - yes I agree that is bad for our town, but the economic of the word we live in and the economics of the future. Bolton transport links have always been poor compared to Manchester - canals that faired economically speaking, railways that weren't profitable, and the main roads that lead to Salford and Manchester more than any other town/city and that would have happened even if SELNEC/Greater Manchester had never had been created.

Look at Lancashire as a whole (without the county boundaries) Liverpool growing at the detriment of surrounding borough councils, such as Southport and Halton. Preston growing at the detriment of east Lancashire borough such as Blackburn and Burnley, and then Lancaster has been outstripping Morecambe for decades!
The real problem is Manchester is allowed to do too much naval gazing and towns like Bolton and Oldham don't stand up for themselves. We should leave - like UKIP - the Greater Manchester and become independent.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Manchester Airport up until 1974 was owned by Manchester City Council. Between 1974 and 1985 owned by Manchester County Council and long before the breakup of the County Council the 10 authorities got together to create an arms-length plc - Manchester Airport PLC!!! this was before any legislation to break up the Metropolitan County Councils!!! And as such they had actually protected themselves before any such sell-offs. Currently it is the MAG that owns the airport (and 3 others) which Manchester and an Aussie Fund Investment company both have 35.5% with the rest owning less than 3%!!! Oh and by the way when the PLC was set up in 1985 Bolton has 5% of the shares in the company!!! As for SELNEC, Greater Manchester or even being still part of Lancashire - the emphasis would still feature Manchester as the principal place for business!!! Lets not forget that most of Bolton industrial heritage was paid for by Mancunians. transport of cotton was via the Manchester Ship Canal or via the Manchester-Liverpool railway. The cotton exchange was in Manchester, the mill owners came from Manchester, in the main. The finance Banks and shareholders were predominantly Manchester based. The same can also be said for Rochdale, Oldham, Bury, and Ashton, Blackburn was separated by the moors and as such the grew with Burney and Accrington and were more closely linked with Preston than what Bolton ever was! Fact is, as history shows, we are becoming ore and more concentrated in larger regional zones. We went from cottage industry to mills, funded by London, Chester and Manchester and people moved to where the work was, then it became more concentrated into towns such as Bolton - that's how we grew over the last 100-200 years, and currently we are concentrating on the principal city for industry with people commuting from outlying towns - not just happening with Manchester but look at Leeds, Liverpool, Sheffield, Edinburgh, Glasgow - all at the detriment to the neighbours towns and then in the near future it will become concentrated even further with regional principalities such as the Manchester-Liverpool super region and Nottingham-Sheffield super region etc etc etc with jobs being concentrated in the area with the greatest transport links. Again its not because it is Manchester but because of the transport links the city has!!! It could easily have been Salford, if they had ever developed Barton aerodrome into the regions airport instead of Ringway and he city has better railway inks with terminii in that city instead of Manchester!!! Fact is Bolton is in the Manchester regional zone with the concentration of work being in Manchester - yes I agree that is bad for our town, but the economic of the word we live in and the economics of the future. Bolton transport links have always been poor compared to Manchester - canals that faired economically speaking, railways that weren't profitable, and the main roads that lead to Salford and Manchester more than any other town/city and that would have happened even if SELNEC/Greater Manchester had never had been created. Look at Lancashire as a whole (without the county boundaries) Liverpool growing at the detriment of surrounding borough councils, such as Southport and Halton. Preston growing at the detriment of east Lancashire borough such as Blackburn and Burnley, and then Lancaster has been outstripping Morecambe for decades![/p][/quote]The real problem is Manchester is allowed to do too much naval gazing and towns like Bolton and Oldham don't stand up for themselves. We should leave - like UKIP - the Greater Manchester and become independent. Ernagy2
  • Score: 1

5:25pm Thu 3 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Manchester Airport up until 1974 was owned by Manchester City Council. Between 1974 and 1985 owned by Manchester County Council and long before the breakup of the County Council the 10 authorities got together to create an arms-length plc - Manchester Airport PLC!!! this was before any legislation to break up the Metropolitan County Councils!!! And as such they had actually protected themselves before any such sell-offs. Currently it is the MAG that owns the airport (and 3 others) which Manchester and an Aussie Fund Investment company both have 35.5% with the rest owning less than 3%!!! Oh and by the way when the PLC was set up in 1985 Bolton has 5% of the shares in the company!!!

As for SELNEC, Greater Manchester or even being still part of Lancashire - the emphasis would still feature Manchester as the principal place for business!!! Lets not forget that most of Bolton industrial heritage was paid for by Mancunians. transport of cotton was via the Manchester Ship Canal or via the Manchester-Liverpool railway. The cotton exchange was in Manchester, the mill owners came from Manchester, in the main. The finance Banks and shareholders were predominantly Manchester based. The same can also be said for Rochdale, Oldham, Bury, and Ashton, Blackburn was separated by the moors and as such the grew with Burney and Accrington and were more closely linked with Preston than what Bolton ever was!

Fact is, as history shows, we are becoming ore and more concentrated in larger regional zones. We went from cottage industry to mills, funded by London, Chester and Manchester and people moved to where the work was, then it became more concentrated into towns such as Bolton - that's how we grew over the last 100-200 years, and currently we are concentrating on the principal city for industry with people commuting from outlying towns - not just happening with Manchester but look at Leeds, Liverpool, Sheffield, Edinburgh, Glasgow - all at the detriment to the neighbours towns and then in the near future it will become concentrated even further with regional principalities such as the Manchester-Liverpool super region and Nottingham-Sheffield super region etc etc etc with jobs being concentrated in the area with the greatest transport links. Again its not because it is Manchester but because of the transport links the city has!!! It could easily have been Salford, if they had ever developed Barton aerodrome into the regions airport instead of Ringway and he city has better railway inks with terminii in that city instead of Manchester!!!

Fact is Bolton is in the Manchester regional zone with the concentration of work being in Manchester - yes I agree that is bad for our town, but the economic of the word we live in and the economics of the future. Bolton transport links have always been poor compared to Manchester - canals that faired economically speaking, railways that weren't profitable, and the main roads that lead to Salford and Manchester more than any other town/city and that would have happened even if SELNEC/Greater Manchester had never had been created.

Look at Lancashire as a whole (without the county boundaries) Liverpool growing at the detriment of surrounding borough councils, such as Southport and Halton. Preston growing at the detriment of east Lancashire borough such as Blackburn and Burnley, and then Lancaster has been outstripping Morecambe for decades!
The real problem is Manchester is allowed to do too much naval gazing and towns like Bolton and Oldham don't stand up for themselves. We should leave - like UKIP - the Greater Manchester and become independent.
But what could we do by ourselves?

Look at Blackburn with Darwen - they govern themselves. Council tax is higher than ours. they cannot subsidise half the bus routes that require subsidy, front line services have been slashed. Sport centres closed and all but 2 libraries have closed. Look at the state of the roads which are worse than ours!

Look at Blackpool - they govern themselves - roads are in a much worse state than ours, Council tax is higher, pubic transports subsidies have ran out and they specifically do not subsidise evening or Sunday services and as such 95% of the borough has no bus service during evenings or Sundays. Front line services are worse than ours and the have had to cancel the current order of new trams because they can't afford them.

Plus being so close to Manchester will hinder us as business would rather deal with a city than a town! And we will never be a city due to the fact that we were against the monarchy during the civil war. Plus again the transport links to Manchester are vastly superior than Bolton - no matter how you look at it (M60 orbital motorway, Airport, Trains, major coach station, etc).

Plus wee have a set of councillors who don't give a toss about the ton and would rather leach money from the tax payers than doing anything to improve the situation! My dream town I that of the 80's and 90's where we build on our strengths and become the best rather than trying to copy and outwit our "big brother" Manchester - Look at both Bury and Wigan - prospering because they have built on their strengths and tried to not compete with Manchester and they are winning people over .

Unfortunately since the Liberal regime at the council we don't seem to have any strengths because they have ether closed or weakened so much they are ineffective and they tried so had to compete with Manchester rather than building upon our own image and strengths!

Again it wouldn't matter which county we are in as we would still be lumbered with Manchester, because of our proximity, and still lumbered with pathetic councillors who are just power and money mad!!!
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Manchester Airport up until 1974 was owned by Manchester City Council. Between 1974 and 1985 owned by Manchester County Council and long before the breakup of the County Council the 10 authorities got together to create an arms-length plc - Manchester Airport PLC!!! this was before any legislation to break up the Metropolitan County Councils!!! And as such they had actually protected themselves before any such sell-offs. Currently it is the MAG that owns the airport (and 3 others) which Manchester and an Aussie Fund Investment company both have 35.5% with the rest owning less than 3%!!! Oh and by the way when the PLC was set up in 1985 Bolton has 5% of the shares in the company!!! As for SELNEC, Greater Manchester or even being still part of Lancashire - the emphasis would still feature Manchester as the principal place for business!!! Lets not forget that most of Bolton industrial heritage was paid for by Mancunians. transport of cotton was via the Manchester Ship Canal or via the Manchester-Liverpool railway. The cotton exchange was in Manchester, the mill owners came from Manchester, in the main. The finance Banks and shareholders were predominantly Manchester based. The same can also be said for Rochdale, Oldham, Bury, and Ashton, Blackburn was separated by the moors and as such the grew with Burney and Accrington and were more closely linked with Preston than what Bolton ever was! Fact is, as history shows, we are becoming ore and more concentrated in larger regional zones. We went from cottage industry to mills, funded by London, Chester and Manchester and people moved to where the work was, then it became more concentrated into towns such as Bolton - that's how we grew over the last 100-200 years, and currently we are concentrating on the principal city for industry with people commuting from outlying towns - not just happening with Manchester but look at Leeds, Liverpool, Sheffield, Edinburgh, Glasgow - all at the detriment to the neighbours towns and then in the near future it will become concentrated even further with regional principalities such as the Manchester-Liverpool super region and Nottingham-Sheffield super region etc etc etc with jobs being concentrated in the area with the greatest transport links. Again its not because it is Manchester but because of the transport links the city has!!! It could easily have been Salford, if they had ever developed Barton aerodrome into the regions airport instead of Ringway and he city has better railway inks with terminii in that city instead of Manchester!!! Fact is Bolton is in the Manchester regional zone with the concentration of work being in Manchester - yes I agree that is bad for our town, but the economic of the word we live in and the economics of the future. Bolton transport links have always been poor compared to Manchester - canals that faired economically speaking, railways that weren't profitable, and the main roads that lead to Salford and Manchester more than any other town/city and that would have happened even if SELNEC/Greater Manchester had never had been created. Look at Lancashire as a whole (without the county boundaries) Liverpool growing at the detriment of surrounding borough councils, such as Southport and Halton. Preston growing at the detriment of east Lancashire borough such as Blackburn and Burnley, and then Lancaster has been outstripping Morecambe for decades![/p][/quote]The real problem is Manchester is allowed to do too much naval gazing and towns like Bolton and Oldham don't stand up for themselves. We should leave - like UKIP - the Greater Manchester and become independent.[/p][/quote]But what could we do by ourselves? Look at Blackburn with Darwen - they govern themselves. Council tax is higher than ours. they cannot subsidise half the bus routes that require subsidy, front line services have been slashed. Sport centres closed and all but 2 libraries have closed. Look at the state of the roads which are worse than ours! Look at Blackpool - they govern themselves - roads are in a much worse state than ours, Council tax is higher, pubic transports subsidies have ran out and they specifically do not subsidise evening or Sunday services and as such 95% of the borough has no bus service during evenings or Sundays. Front line services are worse than ours and the have had to cancel the current order of new trams because they can't afford them. Plus being so close to Manchester will hinder us as business would rather deal with a city than a town! And we will never be a city due to the fact that we were against the monarchy during the civil war. Plus again the transport links to Manchester are vastly superior than Bolton - no matter how you look at it (M60 orbital motorway, Airport, Trains, major coach station, etc). Plus wee have a set of councillors who don't give a toss about the ton and would rather leach money from the tax payers than doing anything to improve the situation! My dream town I that of the 80's and 90's where we build on our strengths and become the best rather than trying to copy and outwit our "big brother" Manchester - Look at both Bury and Wigan - prospering because they have built on their strengths and tried to not compete with Manchester and they are winning people over . Unfortunately since the Liberal regime at the council we don't seem to have any strengths because they have ether closed or weakened so much they are ineffective and they tried so had to compete with Manchester rather than building upon our own image and strengths! Again it wouldn't matter which county we are in as we would still be lumbered with Manchester, because of our proximity, and still lumbered with pathetic councillors who are just power and money mad!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: 1

8:14pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Ernagy2 says...

Going it alone would be a last resort. My main point is that we need to get tougher with Greater Manchester and get them to recognise the serious problems in the Town. The Councillors need to come to the table and stand up for Bolton, making noises both at MIDAS and at Government level.

You can't be serious about city status and the Civil War - that is seriously of the mark - I don't believe you think that. The reason Bolton didn't get City status is that it was a poor bid, badly put together. Other towns had far superior proposals. I'd suggest that the tourism angle was far more important than any lasting fall out from the Civil war.

Bolton has fantastic links as they share the same ones that Manchester has. In fact at rush hour I reckon you can get to the airport from bolton faster than you could get to the airport from the centre of Manchester. Nic Anelka came here because he could get to the airport within an hour from the Reebok.

We definitely have poor Councillors with a lack of vision and I would agree with you on that. There is only one solution for that and that is to vote them out at the local elections. Unfortunately we know it won't happen as the ward is slanted in favour of Labour. Then again the prospective Tories Councillors don't work hard enough anyway as I know my present ward hasn't had a tory pamphlet in years.

Cinemas are alright but won't get people from other places in Greater Manchester into the Town. Exhibition Centres and Museums would. There is limited scope for those cinemas and I'm skeptical on whether they will be a success - most people these days have a car. I realise some don't but are there enough people without a car to make a cinema in the Town centre worth it? Will it encourage drunk driving? What provisions have the transport authorities made to get people to and from these cinemas? The poor numbers of users of the buses most of the time seems to me a good indication that both cinemas may close in the long run unless there is something to go with them. Coffee bars close at 5pm which leaves the bars and the chippy's to enjoy. It's so much easier to get in the car and go to Middlebrook.

Bolton though has tremendous advantages and could be a fantastic town, but we really do need to give the present lot the boot
Going it alone would be a last resort. My main point is that we need to get tougher with Greater Manchester and get them to recognise the serious problems in the Town. The Councillors need to come to the table and stand up for Bolton, making noises both at MIDAS and at Government level. You can't be serious about city status and the Civil War - that is seriously of the mark - I don't believe you think that. The reason Bolton didn't get City status is that it was a poor bid, badly put together. Other towns had far superior proposals. I'd suggest that the tourism angle was far more important than any lasting fall out from the Civil war. Bolton has fantastic links as they share the same ones that Manchester has. In fact at rush hour I reckon you can get to the airport from bolton faster than you could get to the airport from the centre of Manchester. Nic Anelka came here because he could get to the airport within an hour from the Reebok. We definitely have poor Councillors with a lack of vision and I would agree with you on that. There is only one solution for that and that is to vote them out at the local elections. Unfortunately we know it won't happen as the ward is slanted in favour of Labour. Then again the prospective Tories Councillors don't work hard enough anyway as I know my present ward hasn't had a tory pamphlet in years. Cinemas are alright but won't get people from other places in Greater Manchester into the Town. Exhibition Centres and Museums would. There is limited scope for those cinemas and I'm skeptical on whether they will be a success - most people these days have a car. I realise some don't but are there enough people without a car to make a cinema in the Town centre worth it? Will it encourage drunk driving? What provisions have the transport authorities made to get people to and from these cinemas? The poor numbers of users of the buses most of the time seems to me a good indication that both cinemas may close in the long run unless there is something to go with them. Coffee bars close at 5pm which leaves the bars and the chippy's to enjoy. It's so much easier to get in the car and go to Middlebrook. Bolton though has tremendous advantages and could be a fantastic town, but we really do need to give the present lot the boot Ernagy2
  • Score: 2

Comments are closed on this article.

Send us your news, pictures and videos

Most read stories

Local Info

Enter your postcode, town or place name

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree