'High street shops are doing better than retail parks', says report

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BOLTON town centre bosses have welcomed research proving high street shops are outperforming retail parks.

Accountancy firm Deloitte has said shops in town and city centres across the UK are showing “great resilience”.

Evidence it presented suggested rather than taking shoppers away, the internet was pushing people back to shops with the growth of click-and-collect services.

The report has been compiled by Hugo Clarke, who said the high street had recovered better than expected from one of the biggest retail collapses in history in 2008.

And the report was welcomed by Keith Davies Bolton’s director of development and regeneration.

He said: “It bears out what we’ve been saying for years. There is a restructuring of the high street in retail terms which was always going to happen.

“The increase in independent traders and the localisation of the high street offer are what people are responding to, but it’s a long-term process.

“The stabilisation of the high street position is something we are seeing in Bolton, and it is very positive from the council’s point of view.

“We’ve put a lot of effort and resources into maintaining and improving the opportunities for the town centre and the future.

“With developments like the new cinema at the Market Place and new investors coming into the town centre, there has to be a positive outlook for Bolton.”

Mr Davies’ comments were echoed by Malcolm Angus, boss of Crompton Place shopping complex, in Bolton town centre.

He said: “Anything that is bringing customers into the town centre can only be beneficial.

“It shows that people are starting to realise that there is more benefit to shopping in one place than driving 15 or 20 miles out of town.”

Deloitte found that the average vacancy rate for the high street is 20 per cent, but it rose to 29 per cent for shopping centres and 37 per cent for retail parks.

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12:16pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Garbage. throw that report into File 13!

Nick Jackson... have you shopped out of town at a retail park recently?

I think you will find that the report you read is flawed in so many respects.

What data? Who's data? When? Where? Why? What data has been gathered?

I travel all over the country, I see a vast amount of town centres with boarded up and shuttered empty units such as Bolton. I see hardly any empty units at the often VERY much busier retail parks.

BTW Middlebrook is approximately 4-miles from Bolton.

The Trafford Centre is 2-miles from the city centre.

Many retail parks are situated extremely close to the towns they serve, so people from those towns shop there. Some MAY travel further afield.

The report is rubbish and you know it.
Garbage. throw that report into File 13! Nick Jackson... have you shopped out of town at a retail park recently? I think you will find that the report you read is flawed in so many respects. What data? Who's data? When? Where? Why? What data has been gathered? I travel all over the country, I see a vast amount of town centres with boarded up and shuttered empty units such as Bolton. I see hardly any empty units at the often VERY much busier retail parks. BTW Middlebrook is approximately 4-miles from Bolton. The Trafford Centre is 2-miles from the city centre. Many retail parks are situated extremely close to the towns they serve, so people from those towns shop there. Some MAY travel further afield. The report is rubbish and you know it. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 23

12:18pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Just to add, that any empty units at big retail parks are usually new or refurbished. Even if they are empty for a period of time, that period of time is extremely short in comparison to the many years in a vast amount of cases in town centres.

Do you get out of the office much Mr Reporter?
Just to add, that any empty units at big retail parks are usually new or refurbished. Even if they are empty for a period of time, that period of time is extremely short in comparison to the many years in a vast amount of cases in town centres. Do you get out of the office much Mr Reporter? Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 9

2:50pm Fri 11 Apr 14

DC Ferret says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Garbage. throw that report into File 13! Nick Jackson... have you shopped out of town at a retail park recently? I think you will find that the report you read is flawed in so many respects. What data? Who's data? When? Where? Why? What data has been gathered? I travel all over the country, I see a vast amount of town centres with boarded up and shuttered empty units such as Bolton. I see hardly any empty units at the often VERY much busier retail parks. BTW Middlebrook is approximately 4-miles from Bolton. The Trafford Centre is 2-miles from the city centre. Many retail parks are situated extremely close to the towns they serve, so people from those towns shop there. Some MAY travel further afield. The report is rubbish and you know it.
Wht is that some people will dismiss research claims when they run counter to their own views, yet perversely jump onto any research which backs up their spurious claims. I can understand you claiming there is not a lot of information in this article on which to base an opinion, but then you go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like "the report is rubbish and you know it", how can you possibly know it? Or are we expected to believe your own unscientific slanted views based on your experience? Now that is rubbish, and you know it. Noietzsche had a name for people like you, ressentiment.
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Garbage. throw that report into File 13! Nick Jackson... have you shopped out of town at a retail park recently? I think you will find that the report you read is flawed in so many respects. What data? Who's data? When? Where? Why? What data has been gathered? I travel all over the country, I see a vast amount of town centres with boarded up and shuttered empty units such as Bolton. I see hardly any empty units at the often VERY much busier retail parks. BTW Middlebrook is approximately 4-miles from Bolton. The Trafford Centre is 2-miles from the city centre. Many retail parks are situated extremely close to the towns they serve, so people from those towns shop there. Some MAY travel further afield. The report is rubbish and you know it.[/p][/quote]Wht is that some people will dismiss research claims when they run counter to their own views, yet perversely jump onto any research which backs up their spurious claims. I can understand you claiming there is not a lot of information in this article on which to base an opinion, but then you go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like "the report is rubbish and you know it", how can you possibly know it? Or are we expected to believe your own unscientific slanted views based on your experience? Now that is rubbish, and you know it. Noietzsche had a name for people like you, ressentiment. DC Ferret
  • Score: -9

3:18pm Fri 11 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The lack of facts says to me they have no facts otherwise they would have stated them & the source also. My eyes tell me different to this rubbish.
The lack of facts says to me they have no facts otherwise they would have stated them & the source also. My eyes tell me different to this rubbish. thomas222
  • Score: 6

3:28pm Fri 11 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The lack of facts says to me they have no facts otherwise they would have stated them & the source also. My eyes tell me different to this rubbish.
^^^^

Eyes rolling!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: The lack of facts says to me they have no facts otherwise they would have stated them & the source also. My eyes tell me different to this rubbish.[/p][/quote]^^^^ Eyes rolling! The Righteous One
  • Score: -23

3:31pm Fri 11 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Just for Thomas...

Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke
Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte



Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!!
Just for Thomas... Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -25

3:55pm Fri 11 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Just for Thomas...

Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke
Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte



Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!!
Where is it for all to see or is it a secret report cooked up by Deloitte who benefit from this report being the Company who do audit tax consulting & Corporate finance for Companys. Bit like turkeys voting for Christmas if they said the opposite.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Just for Thomas... Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!![/p][/quote]Where is it for all to see or is it a secret report cooked up by Deloitte who benefit from this report being the Company who do audit tax consulting & Corporate finance for Companys. Bit like turkeys voting for Christmas if they said the opposite. thomas222
  • Score: 22

4:23pm Fri 11 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Just for Thomas...

Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke
Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte



Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!!
Where is it for all to see or is it a secret report cooked up by Deloitte who benefit from this report being the Company who do audit tax consulting & Corporate finance for Companys. Bit like turkeys voting for Christmas if they said the opposite.
Easy, Thomas,

Look it up on your yahoo!!!

Nothing secret bout it, anyway, as it was announced on ALL the news platforms yesterday, except for BN as they always seem to be 1 day behind on these things, and for a small charge you can have your own copy of the report - it isn't free!!

Plus the compiled data is about the High Street in general across the country and not just about one town!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Just for Thomas... Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!![/p][/quote]Where is it for all to see or is it a secret report cooked up by Deloitte who benefit from this report being the Company who do audit tax consulting & Corporate finance for Companys. Bit like turkeys voting for Christmas if they said the opposite.[/p][/quote]Easy, Thomas, Look it up on your yahoo!!! Nothing secret bout it, anyway, as it was announced on ALL the news platforms yesterday, except for BN as they always seem to be 1 day behind on these things, and for a small charge you can have your own copy of the report - it isn't free!! Plus the compiled data is about the High Street in general across the country and not just about one town!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -16

4:38pm Fri 11 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Just for Thomas...

Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke
Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte



Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!!
Where is it for all to see or is it a secret report cooked up by Deloitte who benefit from this report being the Company who do audit tax consulting & Corporate finance for Companys. Bit like turkeys voting for Christmas if they said the opposite.
Easy, Thomas,

Look it up on your yahoo!!!

Nothing secret bout it, anyway, as it was announced on ALL the news platforms yesterday, except for BN as they always seem to be 1 day behind on these things, and for a small charge you can have your own copy of the report - it isn't free!!

Plus the compiled data is about the High Street in general across the country and not just about one town!!!
Ah there lies the catch its the high street in general is it. Thats very helpful, not knowing what your Town is doing. Would you open a shop in a town in decline or one in a booming area elsewhere? same q as the eu i asked you but you had no reply if you remember....
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Just for Thomas... Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!![/p][/quote]Where is it for all to see or is it a secret report cooked up by Deloitte who benefit from this report being the Company who do audit tax consulting & Corporate finance for Companys. Bit like turkeys voting for Christmas if they said the opposite.[/p][/quote]Easy, Thomas, Look it up on your yahoo!!! Nothing secret bout it, anyway, as it was announced on ALL the news platforms yesterday, except for BN as they always seem to be 1 day behind on these things, and for a small charge you can have your own copy of the report - it isn't free!! Plus the compiled data is about the High Street in general across the country and not just about one town!!![/p][/quote]Ah there lies the catch its the high street in general is it. Thats very helpful, not knowing what your Town is doing. Would you open a shop in a town in decline or one in a booming area elsewhere? same q as the eu i asked you but you had no reply if you remember.... thomas222
  • Score: 32

7:29pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Beyond News Forum says...

DC Ferret wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Garbage. throw that report into File 13! Nick Jackson... have you shopped out of town at a retail park recently? I think you will find that the report you read is flawed in so many respects. What data? Who's data? When? Where? Why? What data has been gathered? I travel all over the country, I see a vast amount of town centres with boarded up and shuttered empty units such as Bolton. I see hardly any empty units at the often VERY much busier retail parks. BTW Middlebrook is approximately 4-miles from Bolton. The Trafford Centre is 2-miles from the city centre. Many retail parks are situated extremely close to the towns they serve, so people from those towns shop there. Some MAY travel further afield. The report is rubbish and you know it.
Wht is that some people will dismiss research claims when they run counter to their own views, yet perversely jump onto any research which backs up their spurious claims. I can understand you claiming there is not a lot of information in this article on which to base an opinion, but then you go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like "the report is rubbish and you know it", how can you possibly know it? Or are we expected to believe your own unscientific slanted views based on your experience? Now that is rubbish, and you know it. Noietzsche had a name for people like you, ressentiment.
Experience of getting out of town and opening my eyes.

Not believing in erroneous propaganda from retail research papers mocked up to put the blinkers on people.

And the report IS rubbish and you know it also if you have managed to move off your doorstep.
[quote][p][bold]DC Ferret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Garbage. throw that report into File 13! Nick Jackson... have you shopped out of town at a retail park recently? I think you will find that the report you read is flawed in so many respects. What data? Who's data? When? Where? Why? What data has been gathered? I travel all over the country, I see a vast amount of town centres with boarded up and shuttered empty units such as Bolton. I see hardly any empty units at the often VERY much busier retail parks. BTW Middlebrook is approximately 4-miles from Bolton. The Trafford Centre is 2-miles from the city centre. Many retail parks are situated extremely close to the towns they serve, so people from those towns shop there. Some MAY travel further afield. The report is rubbish and you know it.[/p][/quote]Wht is that some people will dismiss research claims when they run counter to their own views, yet perversely jump onto any research which backs up their spurious claims. I can understand you claiming there is not a lot of information in this article on which to base an opinion, but then you go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like "the report is rubbish and you know it", how can you possibly know it? Or are we expected to believe your own unscientific slanted views based on your experience? Now that is rubbish, and you know it. Noietzsche had a name for people like you, ressentiment.[/p][/quote]Experience of getting out of town and opening my eyes. Not believing in erroneous propaganda from retail research papers mocked up to put the blinkers on people. And the report IS rubbish and you know it also if you have managed to move off your doorstep. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 4

7:38pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Beyond News Forum says...

DC Ferret wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Garbage. throw that report into File 13! Nick Jackson... have you shopped out of town at a retail park recently? I think you will find that the report you read is flawed in so many respects. What data? Who's data? When? Where? Why? What data has been gathered? I travel all over the country, I see a vast amount of town centres with boarded up and shuttered empty units such as Bolton. I see hardly any empty units at the often VERY much busier retail parks. BTW Middlebrook is approximately 4-miles from Bolton. The Trafford Centre is 2-miles from the city centre. Many retail parks are situated extremely close to the towns they serve, so people from those towns shop there. Some MAY travel further afield. The report is rubbish and you know it.
Wht is that some people will dismiss research claims when they run counter to their own views, yet perversely jump onto any research which backs up their spurious claims. I can understand you claiming there is not a lot of information in this article on which to base an opinion, but then you go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like "the report is rubbish and you know it", how can you possibly know it? Or are we expected to believe your own unscientific slanted views based on your experience? Now that is rubbish, and you know it. Noietzsche had a name for people like you, ressentiment.
Oh and can you explain the science? Because I see no such science. FACT: GDP may be up if you believe what the fraudulent IMF bullies state, but retail in town centre's is actually massively down and on a downward spiral in most of the country.

The science you seem to be basing your evidence on is south of the border where 'some' towns have gained a better footing because of massive investment schemes and 'inner city' mall type complexes - such as in Milton Keynes, or a good example here in the North, Manchester.

Despite your amazing knowledge and scientific brain, I wonder if you could quote the same of Bury and Wigan in comparison to Bolton? oph wait? What was that? Inner town malls built.

Duh! *facepalm*

Sorry my science is so flawed DC.
[quote][p][bold]DC Ferret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Garbage. throw that report into File 13! Nick Jackson... have you shopped out of town at a retail park recently? I think you will find that the report you read is flawed in so many respects. What data? Who's data? When? Where? Why? What data has been gathered? I travel all over the country, I see a vast amount of town centres with boarded up and shuttered empty units such as Bolton. I see hardly any empty units at the often VERY much busier retail parks. BTW Middlebrook is approximately 4-miles from Bolton. The Trafford Centre is 2-miles from the city centre. Many retail parks are situated extremely close to the towns they serve, so people from those towns shop there. Some MAY travel further afield. The report is rubbish and you know it.[/p][/quote]Wht is that some people will dismiss research claims when they run counter to their own views, yet perversely jump onto any research which backs up their spurious claims. I can understand you claiming there is not a lot of information in this article on which to base an opinion, but then you go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like "the report is rubbish and you know it", how can you possibly know it? Or are we expected to believe your own unscientific slanted views based on your experience? Now that is rubbish, and you know it. Noietzsche had a name for people like you, ressentiment.[/p][/quote]Oh and can you explain the science? Because I see no such science. FACT: GDP may be up if you believe what the fraudulent IMF bullies state, but retail in town centre's is actually massively down and on a downward spiral in most of the country. The science you seem to be basing your evidence on is south of the border where 'some' towns have gained a better footing because of massive investment schemes and 'inner city' mall type complexes - such as in Milton Keynes, or a good example here in the North, Manchester. Despite your amazing knowledge and scientific brain, I wonder if you could quote the same of Bury and Wigan in comparison to Bolton? oph wait? What was that? Inner town malls built. Duh! *facepalm* Sorry my science is so flawed DC. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 3

8:12pm Fri 11 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
DC Ferret wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Garbage. throw that report into File 13! Nick Jackson... have you shopped out of town at a retail park recently? I think you will find that the report you read is flawed in so many respects. What data? Who's data? When? Where? Why? What data has been gathered? I travel all over the country, I see a vast amount of town centres with boarded up and shuttered empty units such as Bolton. I see hardly any empty units at the often VERY much busier retail parks. BTW Middlebrook is approximately 4-miles from Bolton. The Trafford Centre is 2-miles from the city centre. Many retail parks are situated extremely close to the towns they serve, so people from those towns shop there. Some MAY travel further afield. The report is rubbish and you know it.
Wht is that some people will dismiss research claims when they run counter to their own views, yet perversely jump onto any research which backs up their spurious claims. I can understand you claiming there is not a lot of information in this article on which to base an opinion, but then you go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like "the report is rubbish and you know it", how can you possibly know it? Or are we expected to believe your own unscientific slanted views based on your experience? Now that is rubbish, and you know it. Noietzsche had a name for people like you, ressentiment.
Oh and can you explain the science? Because I see no such science. FACT: GDP may be up if you believe what the fraudulent IMF bullies state, but retail in town centre's is actually massively down and on a downward spiral in most of the country.

The science you seem to be basing your evidence on is south of the border where 'some' towns have gained a better footing because of massive investment schemes and 'inner city' mall type complexes - such as in Milton Keynes, or a good example here in the North, Manchester.

Despite your amazing knowledge and scientific brain, I wonder if you could quote the same of Bury and Wigan in comparison to Bolton? oph wait? What was that? Inner town malls built.

Duh! *facepalm*

Sorry my science is so flawed DC.
Actually the GDP isn't up!!!!

The IMF are predicting a GDP of 2.9% but it may not happen just as much as they predicted a GDP of 1/7% and it was actually much lower once all the data had been received!!! Just like when the double dip was never actually a double dip because of late data!!!
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC Ferret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Garbage. throw that report into File 13! Nick Jackson... have you shopped out of town at a retail park recently? I think you will find that the report you read is flawed in so many respects. What data? Who's data? When? Where? Why? What data has been gathered? I travel all over the country, I see a vast amount of town centres with boarded up and shuttered empty units such as Bolton. I see hardly any empty units at the often VERY much busier retail parks. BTW Middlebrook is approximately 4-miles from Bolton. The Trafford Centre is 2-miles from the city centre. Many retail parks are situated extremely close to the towns they serve, so people from those towns shop there. Some MAY travel further afield. The report is rubbish and you know it.[/p][/quote]Wht is that some people will dismiss research claims when they run counter to their own views, yet perversely jump onto any research which backs up their spurious claims. I can understand you claiming there is not a lot of information in this article on which to base an opinion, but then you go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like "the report is rubbish and you know it", how can you possibly know it? Or are we expected to believe your own unscientific slanted views based on your experience? Now that is rubbish, and you know it. Noietzsche had a name for people like you, ressentiment.[/p][/quote]Oh and can you explain the science? Because I see no such science. FACT: GDP may be up if you believe what the fraudulent IMF bullies state, but retail in town centre's is actually massively down and on a downward spiral in most of the country. The science you seem to be basing your evidence on is south of the border where 'some' towns have gained a better footing because of massive investment schemes and 'inner city' mall type complexes - such as in Milton Keynes, or a good example here in the North, Manchester. Despite your amazing knowledge and scientific brain, I wonder if you could quote the same of Bury and Wigan in comparison to Bolton? oph wait? What was that? Inner town malls built. Duh! *facepalm* Sorry my science is so flawed DC.[/p][/quote]Actually the GDP isn't up!!!! The IMF are predicting a GDP of 2.9% but it may not happen just as much as they predicted a GDP of 1/7% and it was actually much lower once all the data had been received!!! Just like when the double dip was never actually a double dip because of late data!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -16

8:21pm Fri 11 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Just for Thomas...

Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke
Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte



Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!!
Where is it for all to see or is it a secret report cooked up by Deloitte who benefit from this report being the Company who do audit tax consulting & Corporate finance for Companys. Bit like turkeys voting for Christmas if they said the opposite.
Easy, Thomas,

Look it up on your yahoo!!!

Nothing secret bout it, anyway, as it was announced on ALL the news platforms yesterday, except for BN as they always seem to be 1 day behind on these things, and for a small charge you can have your own copy of the report - it isn't free!!

Plus the compiled data is about the High Street in general across the country and not just about one town!!!
Ah there lies the catch its the high street in general is it. Thats very helpful, not knowing what your Town is doing. Would you open a shop in a town in decline or one in a booming area elsewhere? same q as the eu i asked you but you had no reply if you remember....
It is in decline?

It was but Market Place is now adapting, Parking is better (especially with a free 90 minutes stay in Market Place), Shipgates is almost full of reputable shops. In fact the town is on a crest of a resurgence and I am believing in it!

Now you may not want to believe it but if you look over the last 3 years you will see what I have thought about our councillors and they way our town was going - even now I disagree a lot of what the councillors do. But the Private sector are beginning to step it up and invest in the town with a little help from the council. the more the better and that will mean empty units become full - which is beginning to happen and faith and trust of the town centre will become good again, and it is happening!!!

But you basically have nothing good to say about the town and any good news you want to rubbish - yes this report is a generalisation o the country as a whole and some towns are doing better than others - but why do you constantly want to rubbish Bolton so much that you are basically hampering the recovery!!! Don't you want Bolton to be a great town again???


As for you question in the EU thread, I answered but because you didn't like the answer you kept on asking the same question in an attempt to get me to falter my response, which I never did!!!! But that is a side note like an attempt to are trying to divert this thread yet again!!!! (8 people were banned from this site just over a week ago because the exact same style of sidelining!!!)
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Just for Thomas... Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!![/p][/quote]Where is it for all to see or is it a secret report cooked up by Deloitte who benefit from this report being the Company who do audit tax consulting & Corporate finance for Companys. Bit like turkeys voting for Christmas if they said the opposite.[/p][/quote]Easy, Thomas, Look it up on your yahoo!!! Nothing secret bout it, anyway, as it was announced on ALL the news platforms yesterday, except for BN as they always seem to be 1 day behind on these things, and for a small charge you can have your own copy of the report - it isn't free!! Plus the compiled data is about the High Street in general across the country and not just about one town!!![/p][/quote]Ah there lies the catch its the high street in general is it. Thats very helpful, not knowing what your Town is doing. Would you open a shop in a town in decline or one in a booming area elsewhere? same q as the eu i asked you but you had no reply if you remember....[/p][/quote]It is in decline? It was but Market Place is now adapting, Parking is better (especially with a free 90 minutes stay in Market Place), Shipgates is almost full of reputable shops. In fact the town is on a crest of a resurgence and I am believing in it! Now you may not want to believe it but if you look over the last 3 years you will see what I have thought about our councillors and they way our town was going - even now I disagree a lot of what the councillors do. But the Private sector are beginning to step it up and invest in the town with a little help from the council. the more the better and that will mean empty units become full - which is beginning to happen and faith and trust of the town centre will become good again, and it is happening!!! But you basically have nothing good to say about the town and any good news you want to rubbish - yes this report is a generalisation o the country as a whole and some towns are doing better than others - but why do you constantly want to rubbish Bolton so much that you are basically hampering the recovery!!! Don't you want Bolton to be a great town again??? As for you question in the EU thread, I answered but because you didn't like the answer you kept on asking the same question in an attempt to get me to falter my response, which I never did!!!! But that is a side note like an attempt to are trying to divert this thread yet again!!!! (8 people were banned from this site just over a week ago because the exact same style of sidelining!!!) The Righteous One
  • Score: -28

9:58pm Fri 11 Apr 14

dougie kay says...

Town center no different now than it was five years ago, just a mismash of assorted shops scattered willynilly over an untidy area .The new open market,is not agreat improvement ,and the new proposed interchange will not help the traders as hoped m.ainly because it is to distant for laden shoppers to walk from what few decent shops there is.Unless the council introduce a more efficient shuttle service round the town .but alasi it is common knowledge that the word efficient is considred a blasphamy in their agenda
Town center no different now than it was five years ago, just a mismash of assorted shops scattered willynilly over an untidy area .The new open market,is not agreat improvement ,and the new proposed interchange will not help the traders as hoped m.ainly because it is to distant for laden shoppers to walk from what few decent shops there is.Unless the council introduce a more efficient shuttle service round the town .but alasi it is common knowledge that the word efficient is considred a blasphamy in their agenda dougie kay
  • Score: 3

10:08pm Fri 11 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

dougie kay wrote:
Town center no different now than it was five years ago, just a mismash of assorted shops scattered willynilly over an untidy area .The new open market,is not agreat improvement ,and the new proposed interchange will not help the traders as hoped m.ainly because it is to distant for laden shoppers to walk from what few decent shops there is.Unless the council introduce a more efficient shuttle service round the town .but alasi it is common knowledge that the word efficient is considred a blasphamy in their agenda
Unfortunately the shuttle bus is provided by money from the TfGM, and unless they can magic any more money for it, as they have had to cut the number of subsidised services in the county from the end of this month, then it will probably finish in December because they won't be able to fund it. The north side of the town will be ok but it will be the South East, South and South west side of the borough that will suffer as these bus routes do not circle around the town!!!

On another note from 27th Routes 512 and 513 will no longer serve Bolton town Centre, due to cuts in the TfGM budget, so that means Ringley and Prestolee will no longer have a direct service to Bolton, although they are in Bolton, but will still have a direct link with Bury!!! - just as much as the housing estates in Horwich do not have a direct bus service to Bolton but have a direct link to Leigh!!!!
[quote][p][bold]dougie kay[/bold] wrote: Town center no different now than it was five years ago, just a mismash of assorted shops scattered willynilly over an untidy area .The new open market,is not agreat improvement ,and the new proposed interchange will not help the traders as hoped m.ainly because it is to distant for laden shoppers to walk from what few decent shops there is.Unless the council introduce a more efficient shuttle service round the town .but alasi it is common knowledge that the word efficient is considred a blasphamy in their agenda[/p][/quote]Unfortunately the shuttle bus is provided by money from the TfGM, and unless they can magic any more money for it, as they have had to cut the number of subsidised services in the county from the end of this month, then it will probably finish in December because they won't be able to fund it. The north side of the town will be ok but it will be the South East, South and South west side of the borough that will suffer as these bus routes do not circle around the town!!! On another note from 27th Routes 512 and 513 will no longer serve Bolton town Centre, due to cuts in the TfGM budget, so that means Ringley and Prestolee will no longer have a direct service to Bolton, although they are in Bolton, but will still have a direct link with Bury!!! - just as much as the housing estates in Horwich do not have a direct bus service to Bolton but have a direct link to Leigh!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -34

10:10pm Fri 11 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Just for Thomas...

Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke
Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte



Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!!
Where is it for all to see or is it a secret report cooked up by Deloitte who benefit from this report being the Company who do audit tax consulting & Corporate finance for Companys. Bit like turkeys voting for Christmas if they said the opposite.
Easy, Thomas,

Look it up on your yahoo!!!

Nothing secret bout it, anyway, as it was announced on ALL the news platforms yesterday, except for BN as they always seem to be 1 day behind on these things, and for a small charge you can have your own copy of the report - it isn't free!!

Plus the compiled data is about the High Street in general across the country and not just about one town!!!
Ah there lies the catch its the high street in general is it. Thats very helpful, not knowing what your Town is doing. Would you open a shop in a town in decline or one in a booming area elsewhere? same q as the eu i asked you but you had no reply if you remember....
It is in decline?

It was but Market Place is now adapting, Parking is better (especially with a free 90 minutes stay in Market Place), Shipgates is almost full of reputable shops. In fact the town is on a crest of a resurgence and I am believing in it!

Now you may not want to believe it but if you look over the last 3 years you will see what I have thought about our councillors and they way our town was going - even now I disagree a lot of what the councillors do. But the Private sector are beginning to step it up and invest in the town with a little help from the council. the more the better and that will mean empty units become full - which is beginning to happen and faith and trust of the town centre will become good again, and it is happening!!!

But you basically have nothing good to say about the town and any good news you want to rubbish - yes this report is a generalisation o the country as a whole and some towns are doing better than others - but why do you constantly want to rubbish Bolton so much that you are basically hampering the recovery!!! Don't you want Bolton to be a great town again???


As for you question in the EU thread, I answered but because you didn't like the answer you kept on asking the same question in an attempt to get me to falter my response, which I never did!!!! But that is a side note like an attempt to are trying to divert this thread yet again!!!! (8 people were banned from this site just over a week ago because the exact same style of sidelining!!!)
One at a time Pal.. Where would YOU set up a shop.... : )
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Just for Thomas... Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!![/p][/quote]Where is it for all to see or is it a secret report cooked up by Deloitte who benefit from this report being the Company who do audit tax consulting & Corporate finance for Companys. Bit like turkeys voting for Christmas if they said the opposite.[/p][/quote]Easy, Thomas, Look it up on your yahoo!!! Nothing secret bout it, anyway, as it was announced on ALL the news platforms yesterday, except for BN as they always seem to be 1 day behind on these things, and for a small charge you can have your own copy of the report - it isn't free!! Plus the compiled data is about the High Street in general across the country and not just about one town!!![/p][/quote]Ah there lies the catch its the high street in general is it. Thats very helpful, not knowing what your Town is doing. Would you open a shop in a town in decline or one in a booming area elsewhere? same q as the eu i asked you but you had no reply if you remember....[/p][/quote]It is in decline? It was but Market Place is now adapting, Parking is better (especially with a free 90 minutes stay in Market Place), Shipgates is almost full of reputable shops. In fact the town is on a crest of a resurgence and I am believing in it! Now you may not want to believe it but if you look over the last 3 years you will see what I have thought about our councillors and they way our town was going - even now I disagree a lot of what the councillors do. But the Private sector are beginning to step it up and invest in the town with a little help from the council. the more the better and that will mean empty units become full - which is beginning to happen and faith and trust of the town centre will become good again, and it is happening!!! But you basically have nothing good to say about the town and any good news you want to rubbish - yes this report is a generalisation o the country as a whole and some towns are doing better than others - but why do you constantly want to rubbish Bolton so much that you are basically hampering the recovery!!! Don't you want Bolton to be a great town again??? As for you question in the EU thread, I answered but because you didn't like the answer you kept on asking the same question in an attempt to get me to falter my response, which I never did!!!! But that is a side note like an attempt to are trying to divert this thread yet again!!!! (8 people were banned from this site just over a week ago because the exact same style of sidelining!!!)[/p][/quote]One at a time Pal.. Where would YOU set up a shop.... : ) thomas222
  • Score: 33

10:17pm Fri 11 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Just for Thomas...

Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke
Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte



Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!!
Where is it for all to see or is it a secret report cooked up by Deloitte who benefit from this report being the Company who do audit tax consulting & Corporate finance for Companys. Bit like turkeys voting for Christmas if they said the opposite.
Easy, Thomas,

Look it up on your yahoo!!!

Nothing secret bout it, anyway, as it was announced on ALL the news platforms yesterday, except for BN as they always seem to be 1 day behind on these things, and for a small charge you can have your own copy of the report - it isn't free!!

Plus the compiled data is about the High Street in general across the country and not just about one town!!!
Ah there lies the catch its the high street in general is it. Thats very helpful, not knowing what your Town is doing. Would you open a shop in a town in decline or one in a booming area elsewhere? same q as the eu i asked you but you had no reply if you remember....
It is in decline?

It was but Market Place is now adapting, Parking is better (especially with a free 90 minutes stay in Market Place), Shipgates is almost full of reputable shops. In fact the town is on a crest of a resurgence and I am believing in it!

Now you may not want to believe it but if you look over the last 3 years you will see what I have thought about our councillors and they way our town was going - even now I disagree a lot of what the councillors do. But the Private sector are beginning to step it up and invest in the town with a little help from the council. the more the better and that will mean empty units become full - which is beginning to happen and faith and trust of the town centre will become good again, and it is happening!!!

But you basically have nothing good to say about the town and any good news you want to rubbish - yes this report is a generalisation o the country as a whole and some towns are doing better than others - but why do you constantly want to rubbish Bolton so much that you are basically hampering the recovery!!! Don't you want Bolton to be a great town again???


As for you question in the EU thread, I answered but because you didn't like the answer you kept on asking the same question in an attempt to get me to falter my response, which I never did!!!! But that is a side note like an attempt to are trying to divert this thread yet again!!!! (8 people were banned from this site just over a week ago because the exact same style of sidelining!!!)
One at a time Pal.. Where would YOU set up a shop.... : )
Firstly it was YOU that wanted to bring other issues into this, not me, so it should be you who should be told one at a time!!!! And as the posts cannot be edited you cannot lie about it as it shows YOU started sidelining the issue!!!

Yes I would set up a shop, if I wanted to!!!

Reasons:
Cheap rent,
Good infrastructure,
Nice size town population
Lack of competition thus creating a good sound basis of gaining a foothold before any competition comes along!!!!
Great parking - plenty of car parks of which 2 are free at the weekends and 1 has first 90minutes are free and other car parks which are not badly priced!
Choice of labour skills - thus being able to get the best!
Good links to other towns and motorway network.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Just for Thomas... Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!![/p][/quote]Where is it for all to see or is it a secret report cooked up by Deloitte who benefit from this report being the Company who do audit tax consulting & Corporate finance for Companys. Bit like turkeys voting for Christmas if they said the opposite.[/p][/quote]Easy, Thomas, Look it up on your yahoo!!! Nothing secret bout it, anyway, as it was announced on ALL the news platforms yesterday, except for BN as they always seem to be 1 day behind on these things, and for a small charge you can have your own copy of the report - it isn't free!! Plus the compiled data is about the High Street in general across the country and not just about one town!!![/p][/quote]Ah there lies the catch its the high street in general is it. Thats very helpful, not knowing what your Town is doing. Would you open a shop in a town in decline or one in a booming area elsewhere? same q as the eu i asked you but you had no reply if you remember....[/p][/quote]It is in decline? It was but Market Place is now adapting, Parking is better (especially with a free 90 minutes stay in Market Place), Shipgates is almost full of reputable shops. In fact the town is on a crest of a resurgence and I am believing in it! Now you may not want to believe it but if you look over the last 3 years you will see what I have thought about our councillors and they way our town was going - even now I disagree a lot of what the councillors do. But the Private sector are beginning to step it up and invest in the town with a little help from the council. the more the better and that will mean empty units become full - which is beginning to happen and faith and trust of the town centre will become good again, and it is happening!!! But you basically have nothing good to say about the town and any good news you want to rubbish - yes this report is a generalisation o the country as a whole and some towns are doing better than others - but why do you constantly want to rubbish Bolton so much that you are basically hampering the recovery!!! Don't you want Bolton to be a great town again??? As for you question in the EU thread, I answered but because you didn't like the answer you kept on asking the same question in an attempt to get me to falter my response, which I never did!!!! But that is a side note like an attempt to are trying to divert this thread yet again!!!! (8 people were banned from this site just over a week ago because the exact same style of sidelining!!!)[/p][/quote]One at a time Pal.. Where would YOU set up a shop.... : )[/p][/quote]Firstly it was YOU that wanted to bring other issues into this, not me, so it should be you who should be told one at a time!!!! And as the posts cannot be edited you cannot lie about it as it shows YOU started sidelining the issue!!! Yes I would set up a shop, if I wanted to!!! Reasons: Cheap rent, Good infrastructure, Nice size town population Lack of competition thus creating a good sound basis of gaining a foothold before any competition comes along!!!! Great parking - plenty of car parks of which 2 are free at the weekends and 1 has first 90minutes are free and other car parks which are not badly priced! Choice of labour skills - thus being able to get the best! Good links to other towns and motorway network. The Righteous One
  • Score: -30

10:22pm Fri 11 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Just for Thomas...

Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke
Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte



Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!!
Where is it for all to see or is it a secret report cooked up by Deloitte who benefit from this report being the Company who do audit tax consulting & Corporate finance for Companys. Bit like turkeys voting for Christmas if they said the opposite.
Easy, Thomas,

Look it up on your yahoo!!!

Nothing secret bout it, anyway, as it was announced on ALL the news platforms yesterday, except for BN as they always seem to be 1 day behind on these things, and for a small charge you can have your own copy of the report - it isn't free!!

Plus the compiled data is about the High Street in general across the country and not just about one town!!!
Ah there lies the catch its the high street in general is it. Thats very helpful, not knowing what your Town is doing. Would you open a shop in a town in decline or one in a booming area elsewhere? same q as the eu i asked you but you had no reply if you remember....
It is in decline?

It was but Market Place is now adapting, Parking is better (especially with a free 90 minutes stay in Market Place), Shipgates is almost full of reputable shops. In fact the town is on a crest of a resurgence and I am believing in it!

Now you may not want to believe it but if you look over the last 3 years you will see what I have thought about our councillors and they way our town was going - even now I disagree a lot of what the councillors do. But the Private sector are beginning to step it up and invest in the town with a little help from the council. the more the better and that will mean empty units become full - which is beginning to happen and faith and trust of the town centre will become good again, and it is happening!!!

But you basically have nothing good to say about the town and any good news you want to rubbish - yes this report is a generalisation o the country as a whole and some towns are doing better than others - but why do you constantly want to rubbish Bolton so much that you are basically hampering the recovery!!! Don't you want Bolton to be a great town again???


As for you question in the EU thread, I answered but because you didn't like the answer you kept on asking the same question in an attempt to get me to falter my response, which I never did!!!! But that is a side note like an attempt to are trying to divert this thread yet again!!!! (8 people were banned from this site just over a week ago because the exact same style of sidelining!!!)
One at a time Pal.. Where would YOU set up a shop.... : )
Firstly it was YOU that wanted to bring other issues into this, not me, so it should be you who should be told one at a time!!!! And as the posts cannot be edited you cannot lie about it as it shows YOU started sidelining the issue!!!

Yes I would set up a shop, if I wanted to!!!

Reasons:
Cheap rent,
Good infrastructure,
Nice size town population
Lack of competition thus creating a good sound basis of gaining a foothold before any competition comes along!!!!
Great parking - plenty of car parks of which 2 are free at the weekends and 1 has first 90minutes are free and other car parks which are not badly priced!
Choice of labour skills - thus being able to get the best!
Good links to other towns and motorway network.
Crack on & do it rather than talking about it..... Just like you tell every one they are wrong and you are right... 22ND may we will find out... ; )
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Just for Thomas... Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!![/p][/quote]Where is it for all to see or is it a secret report cooked up by Deloitte who benefit from this report being the Company who do audit tax consulting & Corporate finance for Companys. Bit like turkeys voting for Christmas if they said the opposite.[/p][/quote]Easy, Thomas, Look it up on your yahoo!!! Nothing secret bout it, anyway, as it was announced on ALL the news platforms yesterday, except for BN as they always seem to be 1 day behind on these things, and for a small charge you can have your own copy of the report - it isn't free!! Plus the compiled data is about the High Street in general across the country and not just about one town!!![/p][/quote]Ah there lies the catch its the high street in general is it. Thats very helpful, not knowing what your Town is doing. Would you open a shop in a town in decline or one in a booming area elsewhere? same q as the eu i asked you but you had no reply if you remember....[/p][/quote]It is in decline? It was but Market Place is now adapting, Parking is better (especially with a free 90 minutes stay in Market Place), Shipgates is almost full of reputable shops. In fact the town is on a crest of a resurgence and I am believing in it! Now you may not want to believe it but if you look over the last 3 years you will see what I have thought about our councillors and they way our town was going - even now I disagree a lot of what the councillors do. But the Private sector are beginning to step it up and invest in the town with a little help from the council. the more the better and that will mean empty units become full - which is beginning to happen and faith and trust of the town centre will become good again, and it is happening!!! But you basically have nothing good to say about the town and any good news you want to rubbish - yes this report is a generalisation o the country as a whole and some towns are doing better than others - but why do you constantly want to rubbish Bolton so much that you are basically hampering the recovery!!! Don't you want Bolton to be a great town again??? As for you question in the EU thread, I answered but because you didn't like the answer you kept on asking the same question in an attempt to get me to falter my response, which I never did!!!! But that is a side note like an attempt to are trying to divert this thread yet again!!!! (8 people were banned from this site just over a week ago because the exact same style of sidelining!!!)[/p][/quote]One at a time Pal.. Where would YOU set up a shop.... : )[/p][/quote]Firstly it was YOU that wanted to bring other issues into this, not me, so it should be you who should be told one at a time!!!! And as the posts cannot be edited you cannot lie about it as it shows YOU started sidelining the issue!!! Yes I would set up a shop, if I wanted to!!! Reasons: Cheap rent, Good infrastructure, Nice size town population Lack of competition thus creating a good sound basis of gaining a foothold before any competition comes along!!!! Great parking - plenty of car parks of which 2 are free at the weekends and 1 has first 90minutes are free and other car parks which are not badly priced! Choice of labour skills - thus being able to get the best! Good links to other towns and motorway network.[/p][/quote]Crack on & do it rather than talking about it..... Just like you tell every one they are wrong and you are right... 22ND may we will find out... ; ) thomas222
  • Score: 19

10:37pm Fri 11 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Just for Thomas...

Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke
Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte



Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!!
Where is it for all to see or is it a secret report cooked up by Deloitte who benefit from this report being the Company who do audit tax consulting & Corporate finance for Companys. Bit like turkeys voting for Christmas if they said the opposite.
Easy, Thomas,

Look it up on your yahoo!!!

Nothing secret bout it, anyway, as it was announced on ALL the news platforms yesterday, except for BN as they always seem to be 1 day behind on these things, and for a small charge you can have your own copy of the report - it isn't free!!

Plus the compiled data is about the High Street in general across the country and not just about one town!!!
Ah there lies the catch its the high street in general is it. Thats very helpful, not knowing what your Town is doing. Would you open a shop in a town in decline or one in a booming area elsewhere? same q as the eu i asked you but you had no reply if you remember....
It is in decline?

It was but Market Place is now adapting, Parking is better (especially with a free 90 minutes stay in Market Place), Shipgates is almost full of reputable shops. In fact the town is on a crest of a resurgence and I am believing in it!

Now you may not want to believe it but if you look over the last 3 years you will see what I have thought about our councillors and they way our town was going - even now I disagree a lot of what the councillors do. But the Private sector are beginning to step it up and invest in the town with a little help from the council. the more the better and that will mean empty units become full - which is beginning to happen and faith and trust of the town centre will become good again, and it is happening!!!

But you basically have nothing good to say about the town and any good news you want to rubbish - yes this report is a generalisation o the country as a whole and some towns are doing better than others - but why do you constantly want to rubbish Bolton so much that you are basically hampering the recovery!!! Don't you want Bolton to be a great town again???


As for you question in the EU thread, I answered but because you didn't like the answer you kept on asking the same question in an attempt to get me to falter my response, which I never did!!!! But that is a side note like an attempt to are trying to divert this thread yet again!!!! (8 people were banned from this site just over a week ago because the exact same style of sidelining!!!)
One at a time Pal.. Where would YOU set up a shop.... : )
Firstly it was YOU that wanted to bring other issues into this, not me, so it should be you who should be told one at a time!!!! And as the posts cannot be edited you cannot lie about it as it shows YOU started sidelining the issue!!!

Yes I would set up a shop, if I wanted to!!!

Reasons:
Cheap rent,
Good infrastructure,
Nice size town population
Lack of competition thus creating a good sound basis of gaining a foothold before any competition comes along!!!!
Great parking - plenty of car parks of which 2 are free at the weekends and 1 has first 90minutes are free and other car parks which are not badly priced!
Choice of labour skills - thus being able to get the best!
Good links to other towns and motorway network.
Crack on & do it rather than talking about it..... Just like you tell every one they are wrong and you are right... 22ND may we will find out... ; )
I can't at the moment due to my finances being tied into two businesses back in The Netherlands, which are growing - and before you say anything, they were started before I moved back to the UK for my current job, hence why I go back to The Netherlands often!!!

But with my job, I am in contact with the DWP-JCP and do use them to find new staff and also talk with various Council Departments in Bolton and the surrounding towns and cities, so I do know what is happening and how far we have come in the last 7 months compared to the last 5 years.

But I am telling people about MY ton and how it is now ripe for investment and for expansion and may people are interested and are contacting the private landlords, such as Moorcraft - the owners of The Market Place, and the Council to see what they cando.

Lets put it this way if Bolton was as bad as you think it is, would Cumfybus had expanded into the Town, would Morrisons had expanded their town centre store and built a petrol station, would Shipgates/Arndale be near capacity, would the electrification of the Bolton line be taking place, would the major 2 bus companies be investing in new buses for the town, would house prices be on the rise, like they are, would Asons be expanding and building a new office??? All private money from private companies that are investing THEIR future in the town and wanting it too succeed!!!

You may like the doom and gloom but guess what, outside your window a Bolton is rising from the ashes, yes it won't happen over night - just as much as Rome wasn't built in a day, but it is definitely growing and slowly gathering pace!!!

If you had asked me this time last year I would have said no way!!!

I knew you would say that, you are far too easy to read.

Fct is
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Just for Thomas... Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!![/p][/quote]Where is it for all to see or is it a secret report cooked up by Deloitte who benefit from this report being the Company who do audit tax consulting & Corporate finance for Companys. Bit like turkeys voting for Christmas if they said the opposite.[/p][/quote]Easy, Thomas, Look it up on your yahoo!!! Nothing secret bout it, anyway, as it was announced on ALL the news platforms yesterday, except for BN as they always seem to be 1 day behind on these things, and for a small charge you can have your own copy of the report - it isn't free!! Plus the compiled data is about the High Street in general across the country and not just about one town!!![/p][/quote]Ah there lies the catch its the high street in general is it. Thats very helpful, not knowing what your Town is doing. Would you open a shop in a town in decline or one in a booming area elsewhere? same q as the eu i asked you but you had no reply if you remember....[/p][/quote]It is in decline? It was but Market Place is now adapting, Parking is better (especially with a free 90 minutes stay in Market Place), Shipgates is almost full of reputable shops. In fact the town is on a crest of a resurgence and I am believing in it! Now you may not want to believe it but if you look over the last 3 years you will see what I have thought about our councillors and they way our town was going - even now I disagree a lot of what the councillors do. But the Private sector are beginning to step it up and invest in the town with a little help from the council. the more the better and that will mean empty units become full - which is beginning to happen and faith and trust of the town centre will become good again, and it is happening!!! But you basically have nothing good to say about the town and any good news you want to rubbish - yes this report is a generalisation o the country as a whole and some towns are doing better than others - but why do you constantly want to rubbish Bolton so much that you are basically hampering the recovery!!! Don't you want Bolton to be a great town again??? As for you question in the EU thread, I answered but because you didn't like the answer you kept on asking the same question in an attempt to get me to falter my response, which I never did!!!! But that is a side note like an attempt to are trying to divert this thread yet again!!!! (8 people were banned from this site just over a week ago because the exact same style of sidelining!!!)[/p][/quote]One at a time Pal.. Where would YOU set up a shop.... : )[/p][/quote]Firstly it was YOU that wanted to bring other issues into this, not me, so it should be you who should be told one at a time!!!! And as the posts cannot be edited you cannot lie about it as it shows YOU started sidelining the issue!!! Yes I would set up a shop, if I wanted to!!! Reasons: Cheap rent, Good infrastructure, Nice size town population Lack of competition thus creating a good sound basis of gaining a foothold before any competition comes along!!!! Great parking - plenty of car parks of which 2 are free at the weekends and 1 has first 90minutes are free and other car parks which are not badly priced! Choice of labour skills - thus being able to get the best! Good links to other towns and motorway network.[/p][/quote]Crack on & do it rather than talking about it..... Just like you tell every one they are wrong and you are right... 22ND may we will find out... ; )[/p][/quote]I can't at the moment due to my finances being tied into two businesses back in The Netherlands, which are growing - and before you say anything, they were started before I moved back to the UK for my current job, hence why I go back to The Netherlands often!!! But with my job, I am in contact with the DWP-JCP and do use them to find new staff and also talk with various Council Departments in Bolton and the surrounding towns and cities, so I do know what is happening and how far we have come in the last 7 months compared to the last 5 years. But I am telling people about MY ton and how it is now ripe for investment and for expansion and may people are interested and are contacting the private landlords, such as Moorcraft - the owners of The Market Place, and the Council to see what they cando. Lets put it this way if Bolton was as bad as you think it is, would Cumfybus had expanded into the Town, would Morrisons had expanded their town centre store and built a petrol station, would Shipgates/Arndale be near capacity, would the electrification of the Bolton line be taking place, would the major 2 bus companies be investing in new buses for the town, would house prices be on the rise, like they are, would Asons be expanding and building a new office??? All private money from private companies that are investing THEIR future in the town and wanting it too succeed!!! You may like the doom and gloom but guess what, outside your window a Bolton is rising from the ashes, yes it won't happen over night - just as much as Rome wasn't built in a day, but it is definitely growing and slowly gathering pace!!! If you had asked me this time last year I would have said no way!!! I knew you would say that, you are far too easy to read. Fct is The Righteous One
  • Score: -7

10:46pm Fri 11 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Just for Thomas...

Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke
Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte



Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!!
Where is it for all to see or is it a secret report cooked up by Deloitte who benefit from this report being the Company who do audit tax consulting & Corporate finance for Companys. Bit like turkeys voting for Christmas if they said the opposite.
Easy, Thomas,

Look it up on your yahoo!!!

Nothing secret bout it, anyway, as it was announced on ALL the news platforms yesterday, except for BN as they always seem to be 1 day behind on these things, and for a small charge you can have your own copy of the report - it isn't free!!

Plus the compiled data is about the High Street in general across the country and not just about one town!!!
Ah there lies the catch its the high street in general is it. Thats very helpful, not knowing what your Town is doing. Would you open a shop in a town in decline or one in a booming area elsewhere? same q as the eu i asked you but you had no reply if you remember....
It is in decline?

It was but Market Place is now adapting, Parking is better (especially with a free 90 minutes stay in Market Place), Shipgates is almost full of reputable shops. In fact the town is on a crest of a resurgence and I am believing in it!

Now you may not want to believe it but if you look over the last 3 years you will see what I have thought about our councillors and they way our town was going - even now I disagree a lot of what the councillors do. But the Private sector are beginning to step it up and invest in the town with a little help from the council. the more the better and that will mean empty units become full - which is beginning to happen and faith and trust of the town centre will become good again, and it is happening!!!

But you basically have nothing good to say about the town and any good news you want to rubbish - yes this report is a generalisation o the country as a whole and some towns are doing better than others - but why do you constantly want to rubbish Bolton so much that you are basically hampering the recovery!!! Don't you want Bolton to be a great town again???


As for you question in the EU thread, I answered but because you didn't like the answer you kept on asking the same question in an attempt to get me to falter my response, which I never did!!!! But that is a side note like an attempt to are trying to divert this thread yet again!!!! (8 people were banned from this site just over a week ago because the exact same style of sidelining!!!)
One at a time Pal.. Where would YOU set up a shop.... : )
Firstly it was YOU that wanted to bring other issues into this, not me, so it should be you who should be told one at a time!!!! And as the posts cannot be edited you cannot lie about it as it shows YOU started sidelining the issue!!!

Yes I would set up a shop, if I wanted to!!!

Reasons:
Cheap rent,
Good infrastructure,
Nice size town population
Lack of competition thus creating a good sound basis of gaining a foothold before any competition comes along!!!!
Great parking - plenty of car parks of which 2 are free at the weekends and 1 has first 90minutes are free and other car parks which are not badly priced!
Choice of labour skills - thus being able to get the best!
Good links to other towns and motorway network.
Crack on & do it rather than talking about it..... Just like you tell every one they are wrong and you are right... 22ND may we will find out... ; )
I can't at the moment due to my finances being tied into two businesses back in The Netherlands, which are growing - and before you say anything, they were started before I moved back to the UK for my current job, hence why I go back to The Netherlands often!!!

But with my job, I am in contact with the DWP-JCP and do use them to find new staff and also talk with various Council Departments in Bolton and the surrounding towns and cities, so I do know what is happening and how far we have come in the last 7 months compared to the last 5 years.

But I am telling people about MY ton and how it is now ripe for investment and for expansion and may people are interested and are contacting the private landlords, such as Moorcraft - the owners of The Market Place, and the Council to see what they cando.

Lets put it this way if Bolton was as bad as you think it is, would Cumfybus had expanded into the Town, would Morrisons had expanded their town centre store and built a petrol station, would Shipgates/Arndale be near capacity, would the electrification of the Bolton line be taking place, would the major 2 bus companies be investing in new buses for the town, would house prices be on the rise, like they are, would Asons be expanding and building a new office??? All private money from private companies that are investing THEIR future in the town and wanting it too succeed!!!

You may like the doom and gloom but guess what, outside your window a Bolton is rising from the ashes, yes it won't happen over night - just as much as Rome wasn't built in a day, but it is definitely growing and slowly gathering pace!!!

If you had asked me this time last year I would have said no way!!!

I knew you would say that, you are far too easy to read.

Fct is
Watch Gipsies on benefits channel 5 this evening on play back tell me this is right.. You have problems but cant take it... where would you open the shop.. you are closed matey boy.
Ps. Can you post the link please. : )
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Just for Thomas... Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!![/p][/quote]Where is it for all to see or is it a secret report cooked up by Deloitte who benefit from this report being the Company who do audit tax consulting & Corporate finance for Companys. Bit like turkeys voting for Christmas if they said the opposite.[/p][/quote]Easy, Thomas, Look it up on your yahoo!!! Nothing secret bout it, anyway, as it was announced on ALL the news platforms yesterday, except for BN as they always seem to be 1 day behind on these things, and for a small charge you can have your own copy of the report - it isn't free!! Plus the compiled data is about the High Street in general across the country and not just about one town!!![/p][/quote]Ah there lies the catch its the high street in general is it. Thats very helpful, not knowing what your Town is doing. Would you open a shop in a town in decline or one in a booming area elsewhere? same q as the eu i asked you but you had no reply if you remember....[/p][/quote]It is in decline? It was but Market Place is now adapting, Parking is better (especially with a free 90 minutes stay in Market Place), Shipgates is almost full of reputable shops. In fact the town is on a crest of a resurgence and I am believing in it! Now you may not want to believe it but if you look over the last 3 years you will see what I have thought about our councillors and they way our town was going - even now I disagree a lot of what the councillors do. But the Private sector are beginning to step it up and invest in the town with a little help from the council. the more the better and that will mean empty units become full - which is beginning to happen and faith and trust of the town centre will become good again, and it is happening!!! But you basically have nothing good to say about the town and any good news you want to rubbish - yes this report is a generalisation o the country as a whole and some towns are doing better than others - but why do you constantly want to rubbish Bolton so much that you are basically hampering the recovery!!! Don't you want Bolton to be a great town again??? As for you question in the EU thread, I answered but because you didn't like the answer you kept on asking the same question in an attempt to get me to falter my response, which I never did!!!! But that is a side note like an attempt to are trying to divert this thread yet again!!!! (8 people were banned from this site just over a week ago because the exact same style of sidelining!!!)[/p][/quote]One at a time Pal.. Where would YOU set up a shop.... : )[/p][/quote]Firstly it was YOU that wanted to bring other issues into this, not me, so it should be you who should be told one at a time!!!! And as the posts cannot be edited you cannot lie about it as it shows YOU started sidelining the issue!!! Yes I would set up a shop, if I wanted to!!! Reasons: Cheap rent, Good infrastructure, Nice size town population Lack of competition thus creating a good sound basis of gaining a foothold before any competition comes along!!!! Great parking - plenty of car parks of which 2 are free at the weekends and 1 has first 90minutes are free and other car parks which are not badly priced! Choice of labour skills - thus being able to get the best! Good links to other towns and motorway network.[/p][/quote]Crack on & do it rather than talking about it..... Just like you tell every one they are wrong and you are right... 22ND may we will find out... ; )[/p][/quote]I can't at the moment due to my finances being tied into two businesses back in The Netherlands, which are growing - and before you say anything, they were started before I moved back to the UK for my current job, hence why I go back to The Netherlands often!!! But with my job, I am in contact with the DWP-JCP and do use them to find new staff and also talk with various Council Departments in Bolton and the surrounding towns and cities, so I do know what is happening and how far we have come in the last 7 months compared to the last 5 years. But I am telling people about MY ton and how it is now ripe for investment and for expansion and may people are interested and are contacting the private landlords, such as Moorcraft - the owners of The Market Place, and the Council to see what they cando. Lets put it this way if Bolton was as bad as you think it is, would Cumfybus had expanded into the Town, would Morrisons had expanded their town centre store and built a petrol station, would Shipgates/Arndale be near capacity, would the electrification of the Bolton line be taking place, would the major 2 bus companies be investing in new buses for the town, would house prices be on the rise, like they are, would Asons be expanding and building a new office??? All private money from private companies that are investing THEIR future in the town and wanting it too succeed!!! You may like the doom and gloom but guess what, outside your window a Bolton is rising from the ashes, yes it won't happen over night - just as much as Rome wasn't built in a day, but it is definitely growing and slowly gathering pace!!! If you had asked me this time last year I would have said no way!!! I knew you would say that, you are far too easy to read. Fct is[/p][/quote]Watch Gipsies on benefits channel 5 this evening on play back tell me this is right.. You have problems but cant take it... where would you open the shop.. you are closed matey boy. Ps. Can you post the link please. : ) thomas222
  • Score: 17

11:11pm Fri 11 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Just for Thomas...

Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke
Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte



Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!!
Where is it for all to see or is it a secret report cooked up by Deloitte who benefit from this report being the Company who do audit tax consulting & Corporate finance for Companys. Bit like turkeys voting for Christmas if they said the opposite.
Easy, Thomas,

Look it up on your yahoo!!!

Nothing secret bout it, anyway, as it was announced on ALL the news platforms yesterday, except for BN as they always seem to be 1 day behind on these things, and for a small charge you can have your own copy of the report - it isn't free!!

Plus the compiled data is about the High Street in general across the country and not just about one town!!!
Ah there lies the catch its the high street in general is it. Thats very helpful, not knowing what your Town is doing. Would you open a shop in a town in decline or one in a booming area elsewhere? same q as the eu i asked you but you had no reply if you remember....
It is in decline?

It was but Market Place is now adapting, Parking is better (especially with a free 90 minutes stay in Market Place), Shipgates is almost full of reputable shops. In fact the town is on a crest of a resurgence and I am believing in it!

Now you may not want to believe it but if you look over the last 3 years you will see what I have thought about our councillors and they way our town was going - even now I disagree a lot of what the councillors do. But the Private sector are beginning to step it up and invest in the town with a little help from the council. the more the better and that will mean empty units become full - which is beginning to happen and faith and trust of the town centre will become good again, and it is happening!!!

But you basically have nothing good to say about the town and any good news you want to rubbish - yes this report is a generalisation o the country as a whole and some towns are doing better than others - but why do you constantly want to rubbish Bolton so much that you are basically hampering the recovery!!! Don't you want Bolton to be a great town again???


As for you question in the EU thread, I answered but because you didn't like the answer you kept on asking the same question in an attempt to get me to falter my response, which I never did!!!! But that is a side note like an attempt to are trying to divert this thread yet again!!!! (8 people were banned from this site just over a week ago because the exact same style of sidelining!!!)
One at a time Pal.. Where would YOU set up a shop.... : )
Firstly it was YOU that wanted to bring other issues into this, not me, so it should be you who should be told one at a time!!!! And as the posts cannot be edited you cannot lie about it as it shows YOU started sidelining the issue!!!

Yes I would set up a shop, if I wanted to!!!

Reasons:
Cheap rent,
Good infrastructure,
Nice size town population
Lack of competition thus creating a good sound basis of gaining a foothold before any competition comes along!!!!
Great parking - plenty of car parks of which 2 are free at the weekends and 1 has first 90minutes are free and other car parks which are not badly priced!
Choice of labour skills - thus being able to get the best!
Good links to other towns and motorway network.
Crack on & do it rather than talking about it..... Just like you tell every one they are wrong and you are right... 22ND may we will find out... ; )
I can't at the moment due to my finances being tied into two businesses back in The Netherlands, which are growing - and before you say anything, they were started before I moved back to the UK for my current job, hence why I go back to The Netherlands often!!!

But with my job, I am in contact with the DWP-JCP and do use them to find new staff and also talk with various Council Departments in Bolton and the surrounding towns and cities, so I do know what is happening and how far we have come in the last 7 months compared to the last 5 years.

But I am telling people about MY ton and how it is now ripe for investment and for expansion and may people are interested and are contacting the private landlords, such as Moorcraft - the owners of The Market Place, and the Council to see what they cando.

Lets put it this way if Bolton was as bad as you think it is, would Cumfybus had expanded into the Town, would Morrisons had expanded their town centre store and built a petrol station, would Shipgates/Arndale be near capacity, would the electrification of the Bolton line be taking place, would the major 2 bus companies be investing in new buses for the town, would house prices be on the rise, like they are, would Asons be expanding and building a new office??? All private money from private companies that are investing THEIR future in the town and wanting it too succeed!!!

You may like the doom and gloom but guess what, outside your window a Bolton is rising from the ashes, yes it won't happen over night - just as much as Rome wasn't built in a day, but it is definitely growing and slowly gathering pace!!!

If you had asked me this time last year I would have said no way!!!

I knew you would say that, you are far too easy to read.

Fct is
Watch Gipsies on benefits channel 5 this evening on play back tell me this is right.. You have problems but cant take it... where would you open the shop.. you are closed matey boy.
Ps. Can you post the link please. : )
Link to what, boyo?

Did you watch Have I Got News For you, earlier - You God was on it and shown up for the hypocrite he is! But I will say is that he took it all in good faith!

Do you not remember the British woman in Rochdale with 16+ children, never worked a day in her life and was housed and looked after by the benefits system!!!

Fact s there will always be people who scrounge on the benefits system and the fact is that there are more British that do it than foreigners.. fact is out of about 1.43million EU citizens that are over here only between 4 and 5 % live on the benefits (being about 57,000) whilst of the British born population which equates to 55.5 million (once you take out the 9million who live and work abroad and do not claim anything in this country) about 10% live on the benefits system (being about 5.55million) but of those 5.5million 1 million actually live abroad and claim over here - which is more pathetic!!!


I know British people who live in The Netherlands and have never done a days work and rely on the Dutch Social Security system to live!!! It does work both ways!!! - Although you do not want to believe that as it goes against your arguments about migrants!!!

(all stats taken from the latest ONS figures that were released on Wednesday)

Have you got the link to that Channel 5 programme?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Just for Thomas... Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!![/p][/quote]Where is it for all to see or is it a secret report cooked up by Deloitte who benefit from this report being the Company who do audit tax consulting & Corporate finance for Companys. Bit like turkeys voting for Christmas if they said the opposite.[/p][/quote]Easy, Thomas, Look it up on your yahoo!!! Nothing secret bout it, anyway, as it was announced on ALL the news platforms yesterday, except for BN as they always seem to be 1 day behind on these things, and for a small charge you can have your own copy of the report - it isn't free!! Plus the compiled data is about the High Street in general across the country and not just about one town!!![/p][/quote]Ah there lies the catch its the high street in general is it. Thats very helpful, not knowing what your Town is doing. Would you open a shop in a town in decline or one in a booming area elsewhere? same q as the eu i asked you but you had no reply if you remember....[/p][/quote]It is in decline? It was but Market Place is now adapting, Parking is better (especially with a free 90 minutes stay in Market Place), Shipgates is almost full of reputable shops. In fact the town is on a crest of a resurgence and I am believing in it! Now you may not want to believe it but if you look over the last 3 years you will see what I have thought about our councillors and they way our town was going - even now I disagree a lot of what the councillors do. But the Private sector are beginning to step it up and invest in the town with a little help from the council. the more the better and that will mean empty units become full - which is beginning to happen and faith and trust of the town centre will become good again, and it is happening!!! But you basically have nothing good to say about the town and any good news you want to rubbish - yes this report is a generalisation o the country as a whole and some towns are doing better than others - but why do you constantly want to rubbish Bolton so much that you are basically hampering the recovery!!! Don't you want Bolton to be a great town again??? As for you question in the EU thread, I answered but because you didn't like the answer you kept on asking the same question in an attempt to get me to falter my response, which I never did!!!! But that is a side note like an attempt to are trying to divert this thread yet again!!!! (8 people were banned from this site just over a week ago because the exact same style of sidelining!!!)[/p][/quote]One at a time Pal.. Where would YOU set up a shop.... : )[/p][/quote]Firstly it was YOU that wanted to bring other issues into this, not me, so it should be you who should be told one at a time!!!! And as the posts cannot be edited you cannot lie about it as it shows YOU started sidelining the issue!!! Yes I would set up a shop, if I wanted to!!! Reasons: Cheap rent, Good infrastructure, Nice size town population Lack of competition thus creating a good sound basis of gaining a foothold before any competition comes along!!!! Great parking - plenty of car parks of which 2 are free at the weekends and 1 has first 90minutes are free and other car parks which are not badly priced! Choice of labour skills - thus being able to get the best! Good links to other towns and motorway network.[/p][/quote]Crack on & do it rather than talking about it..... Just like you tell every one they are wrong and you are right... 22ND may we will find out... ; )[/p][/quote]I can't at the moment due to my finances being tied into two businesses back in The Netherlands, which are growing - and before you say anything, they were started before I moved back to the UK for my current job, hence why I go back to The Netherlands often!!! But with my job, I am in contact with the DWP-JCP and do use them to find new staff and also talk with various Council Departments in Bolton and the surrounding towns and cities, so I do know what is happening and how far we have come in the last 7 months compared to the last 5 years. But I am telling people about MY ton and how it is now ripe for investment and for expansion and may people are interested and are contacting the private landlords, such as Moorcraft - the owners of The Market Place, and the Council to see what they cando. Lets put it this way if Bolton was as bad as you think it is, would Cumfybus had expanded into the Town, would Morrisons had expanded their town centre store and built a petrol station, would Shipgates/Arndale be near capacity, would the electrification of the Bolton line be taking place, would the major 2 bus companies be investing in new buses for the town, would house prices be on the rise, like they are, would Asons be expanding and building a new office??? All private money from private companies that are investing THEIR future in the town and wanting it too succeed!!! You may like the doom and gloom but guess what, outside your window a Bolton is rising from the ashes, yes it won't happen over night - just as much as Rome wasn't built in a day, but it is definitely growing and slowly gathering pace!!! If you had asked me this time last year I would have said no way!!! I knew you would say that, you are far too easy to read. Fct is[/p][/quote]Watch Gipsies on benefits channel 5 this evening on play back tell me this is right.. You have problems but cant take it... where would you open the shop.. you are closed matey boy. Ps. Can you post the link please. : )[/p][/quote]Link to what, boyo? Did you watch Have I Got News For you, earlier - You God was on it and shown up for the hypocrite he is! But I will say is that he took it all in good faith! Do you not remember the British woman in Rochdale with 16+ children, never worked a day in her life and was housed and looked after by the benefits system!!! Fact s there will always be people who scrounge on the benefits system and the fact is that there are more British that do it than foreigners.. fact is out of about 1.43million EU citizens that are over here only between 4 and 5 % live on the benefits (being about 57,000) whilst of the British born population which equates to 55.5 million (once you take out the 9million who live and work abroad and do not claim anything in this country) about 10% live on the benefits system (being about 5.55million) but of those 5.5million 1 million actually live abroad and claim over here - which is more pathetic!!! I know British people who live in The Netherlands and have never done a days work and rely on the Dutch Social Security system to live!!! It does work both ways!!! - Although you do not want to believe that as it goes against your arguments about migrants!!! (all stats taken from the latest ONS figures that were released on Wednesday) Have you got the link to that Channel 5 programme? The Righteous One
  • Score: -29

11:12pm Fri 11 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/iplayer/episode/b04
0ql1r/Have_I_Got_New
s_for_You_Series_47_
Episode_2/
http://www.bbc.co.uk /iplayer/episode/b04 0ql1r/Have_I_Got_New s_for_You_Series_47_ Episode_2/ The Righteous One
  • Score: -11

8:06am Sat 12 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Just for Thomas...

Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke
Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte



Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!!
Where is it for all to see or is it a secret report cooked up by Deloitte who benefit from this report being the Company who do audit tax consulting & Corporate finance for Companys. Bit like turkeys voting for Christmas if they said the opposite.
Easy, Thomas,

Look it up on your yahoo!!!

Nothing secret bout it, anyway, as it was announced on ALL the news platforms yesterday, except for BN as they always seem to be 1 day behind on these things, and for a small charge you can have your own copy of the report - it isn't free!!

Plus the compiled data is about the High Street in general across the country and not just about one town!!!
Ah there lies the catch its the high street in general is it. Thats very helpful, not knowing what your Town is doing. Would you open a shop in a town in decline or one in a booming area elsewhere? same q as the eu i asked you but you had no reply if you remember....
It is in decline?

It was but Market Place is now adapting, Parking is better (especially with a free 90 minutes stay in Market Place), Shipgates is almost full of reputable shops. In fact the town is on a crest of a resurgence and I am believing in it!

Now you may not want to believe it but if you look over the last 3 years you will see what I have thought about our councillors and they way our town was going - even now I disagree a lot of what the councillors do. But the Private sector are beginning to step it up and invest in the town with a little help from the council. the more the better and that will mean empty units become full - which is beginning to happen and faith and trust of the town centre will become good again, and it is happening!!!

But you basically have nothing good to say about the town and any good news you want to rubbish - yes this report is a generalisation o the country as a whole and some towns are doing better than others - but why do you constantly want to rubbish Bolton so much that you are basically hampering the recovery!!! Don't you want Bolton to be a great town again???


As for you question in the EU thread, I answered but because you didn't like the answer you kept on asking the same question in an attempt to get me to falter my response, which I never did!!!! But that is a side note like an attempt to are trying to divert this thread yet again!!!! (8 people were banned from this site just over a week ago because the exact same style of sidelining!!!)
One at a time Pal.. Where would YOU set up a shop.... : )
Firstly it was YOU that wanted to bring other issues into this, not me, so it should be you who should be told one at a time!!!! And as the posts cannot be edited you cannot lie about it as it shows YOU started sidelining the issue!!!

Yes I would set up a shop, if I wanted to!!!

Reasons:
Cheap rent,
Good infrastructure,
Nice size town population
Lack of competition thus creating a good sound basis of gaining a foothold before any competition comes along!!!!
Great parking - plenty of car parks of which 2 are free at the weekends and 1 has first 90minutes are free and other car parks which are not badly priced!
Choice of labour skills - thus being able to get the best!
Good links to other towns and motorway network.
Crack on & do it rather than talking about it..... Just like you tell every one they are wrong and you are right... 22ND may we will find out... ; )
I can't at the moment due to my finances being tied into two businesses back in The Netherlands, which are growing - and before you say anything, they were started before I moved back to the UK for my current job, hence why I go back to The Netherlands often!!!

But with my job, I am in contact with the DWP-JCP and do use them to find new staff and also talk with various Council Departments in Bolton and the surrounding towns and cities, so I do know what is happening and how far we have come in the last 7 months compared to the last 5 years.

But I am telling people about MY ton and how it is now ripe for investment and for expansion and may people are interested and are contacting the private landlords, such as Moorcraft - the owners of The Market Place, and the Council to see what they cando.

Lets put it this way if Bolton was as bad as you think it is, would Cumfybus had expanded into the Town, would Morrisons had expanded their town centre store and built a petrol station, would Shipgates/Arndale be near capacity, would the electrification of the Bolton line be taking place, would the major 2 bus companies be investing in new buses for the town, would house prices be on the rise, like they are, would Asons be expanding and building a new office??? All private money from private companies that are investing THEIR future in the town and wanting it too succeed!!!

You may like the doom and gloom but guess what, outside your window a Bolton is rising from the ashes, yes it won't happen over night - just as much as Rome wasn't built in a day, but it is definitely growing and slowly gathering pace!!!

If you had asked me this time last year I would have said no way!!!

I knew you would say that, you are far too easy to read.

Fct is
Watch Gipsies on benefits channel 5 this evening on play back tell me this is right.. You have problems but cant take it... where would you open the shop.. you are closed matey boy.
Ps. Can you post the link please. : )
Link to what, boyo?

Did you watch Have I Got News For you, earlier - You God was on it and shown up for the hypocrite he is! But I will say is that he took it all in good faith!

Do you not remember the British woman in Rochdale with 16+ children, never worked a day in her life and was housed and looked after by the benefits system!!!

Fact s there will always be people who scrounge on the benefits system and the fact is that there are more British that do it than foreigners.. fact is out of about 1.43million EU citizens that are over here only between 4 and 5 % live on the benefits (being about 57,000) whilst of the British born population which equates to 55.5 million (once you take out the 9million who live and work abroad and do not claim anything in this country) about 10% live on the benefits system (being about 5.55million) but of those 5.5million 1 million actually live abroad and claim over here - which is more pathetic!!!


I know British people who live in The Netherlands and have never done a days work and rely on the Dutch Social Security system to live!!! It does work both ways!!! - Although you do not want to believe that as it goes against your arguments about migrants!!!

(all stats taken from the latest ONS figures that were released on Wednesday)

Have you got the link to that Channel 5 programme?
Controlled Immigration for the tenth time.......... You may want to make it a anti Immigration issue but its not... Its CONTROLLED Immigration we need & we are not in Holland.........
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Just for Thomas... Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!![/p][/quote]Where is it for all to see or is it a secret report cooked up by Deloitte who benefit from this report being the Company who do audit tax consulting & Corporate finance for Companys. Bit like turkeys voting for Christmas if they said the opposite.[/p][/quote]Easy, Thomas, Look it up on your yahoo!!! Nothing secret bout it, anyway, as it was announced on ALL the news platforms yesterday, except for BN as they always seem to be 1 day behind on these things, and for a small charge you can have your own copy of the report - it isn't free!! Plus the compiled data is about the High Street in general across the country and not just about one town!!![/p][/quote]Ah there lies the catch its the high street in general is it. Thats very helpful, not knowing what your Town is doing. Would you open a shop in a town in decline or one in a booming area elsewhere? same q as the eu i asked you but you had no reply if you remember....[/p][/quote]It is in decline? It was but Market Place is now adapting, Parking is better (especially with a free 90 minutes stay in Market Place), Shipgates is almost full of reputable shops. In fact the town is on a crest of a resurgence and I am believing in it! Now you may not want to believe it but if you look over the last 3 years you will see what I have thought about our councillors and they way our town was going - even now I disagree a lot of what the councillors do. But the Private sector are beginning to step it up and invest in the town with a little help from the council. the more the better and that will mean empty units become full - which is beginning to happen and faith and trust of the town centre will become good again, and it is happening!!! But you basically have nothing good to say about the town and any good news you want to rubbish - yes this report is a generalisation o the country as a whole and some towns are doing better than others - but why do you constantly want to rubbish Bolton so much that you are basically hampering the recovery!!! Don't you want Bolton to be a great town again??? As for you question in the EU thread, I answered but because you didn't like the answer you kept on asking the same question in an attempt to get me to falter my response, which I never did!!!! But that is a side note like an attempt to are trying to divert this thread yet again!!!! (8 people were banned from this site just over a week ago because the exact same style of sidelining!!!)[/p][/quote]One at a time Pal.. Where would YOU set up a shop.... : )[/p][/quote]Firstly it was YOU that wanted to bring other issues into this, not me, so it should be you who should be told one at a time!!!! And as the posts cannot be edited you cannot lie about it as it shows YOU started sidelining the issue!!! Yes I would set up a shop, if I wanted to!!! Reasons: Cheap rent, Good infrastructure, Nice size town population Lack of competition thus creating a good sound basis of gaining a foothold before any competition comes along!!!! Great parking - plenty of car parks of which 2 are free at the weekends and 1 has first 90minutes are free and other car parks which are not badly priced! Choice of labour skills - thus being able to get the best! Good links to other towns and motorway network.[/p][/quote]Crack on & do it rather than talking about it..... Just like you tell every one they are wrong and you are right... 22ND may we will find out... ; )[/p][/quote]I can't at the moment due to my finances being tied into two businesses back in The Netherlands, which are growing - and before you say anything, they were started before I moved back to the UK for my current job, hence why I go back to The Netherlands often!!! But with my job, I am in contact with the DWP-JCP and do use them to find new staff and also talk with various Council Departments in Bolton and the surrounding towns and cities, so I do know what is happening and how far we have come in the last 7 months compared to the last 5 years. But I am telling people about MY ton and how it is now ripe for investment and for expansion and may people are interested and are contacting the private landlords, such as Moorcraft - the owners of The Market Place, and the Council to see what they cando. Lets put it this way if Bolton was as bad as you think it is, would Cumfybus had expanded into the Town, would Morrisons had expanded their town centre store and built a petrol station, would Shipgates/Arndale be near capacity, would the electrification of the Bolton line be taking place, would the major 2 bus companies be investing in new buses for the town, would house prices be on the rise, like they are, would Asons be expanding and building a new office??? All private money from private companies that are investing THEIR future in the town and wanting it too succeed!!! You may like the doom and gloom but guess what, outside your window a Bolton is rising from the ashes, yes it won't happen over night - just as much as Rome wasn't built in a day, but it is definitely growing and slowly gathering pace!!! If you had asked me this time last year I would have said no way!!! I knew you would say that, you are far too easy to read. Fct is[/p][/quote]Watch Gipsies on benefits channel 5 this evening on play back tell me this is right.. You have problems but cant take it... where would you open the shop.. you are closed matey boy. Ps. Can you post the link please. : )[/p][/quote]Link to what, boyo? Did you watch Have I Got News For you, earlier - You God was on it and shown up for the hypocrite he is! But I will say is that he took it all in good faith! Do you not remember the British woman in Rochdale with 16+ children, never worked a day in her life and was housed and looked after by the benefits system!!! Fact s there will always be people who scrounge on the benefits system and the fact is that there are more British that do it than foreigners.. fact is out of about 1.43million EU citizens that are over here only between 4 and 5 % live on the benefits (being about 57,000) whilst of the British born population which equates to 55.5 million (once you take out the 9million who live and work abroad and do not claim anything in this country) about 10% live on the benefits system (being about 5.55million) but of those 5.5million 1 million actually live abroad and claim over here - which is more pathetic!!! I know British people who live in The Netherlands and have never done a days work and rely on the Dutch Social Security system to live!!! It does work both ways!!! - Although you do not want to believe that as it goes against your arguments about migrants!!! (all stats taken from the latest ONS figures that were released on Wednesday) Have you got the link to that Channel 5 programme?[/p][/quote]Controlled Immigration for the tenth time.......... You may want to make it a anti Immigration issue but its not... Its CONTROLLED Immigration we need & we are not in Holland......... thomas222
  • Score: 30

9:46am Sat 12 Apr 14

DC Ferret says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
DC Ferret wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote: Garbage. throw that report into File 13! Nick Jackson... have you shopped out of town at a retail park recently? I think you will find that the report you read is flawed in so many respects. What data? Who's data? When? Where? Why? What data has been gathered? I travel all over the country, I see a vast amount of town centres with boarded up and shuttered empty units such as Bolton. I see hardly any empty units at the often VERY much busier retail parks. BTW Middlebrook is approximately 4-miles from Bolton. The Trafford Centre is 2-miles from the city centre. Many retail parks are situated extremely close to the towns they serve, so people from those towns shop there. Some MAY travel further afield. The report is rubbish and you know it.
Wht is that some people will dismiss research claims when they run counter to their own views, yet perversely jump onto any research which backs up their spurious claims. I can understand you claiming there is not a lot of information in this article on which to base an opinion, but then you go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like "the report is rubbish and you know it", how can you possibly know it? Or are we expected to believe your own unscientific slanted views based on your experience? Now that is rubbish, and you know it. Noietzsche had a name for people like you, ressentiment.
Oh and can you explain the science? Because I see no such science. FACT: GDP may be up if you believe what the fraudulent IMF bullies state, but retail in town centre's is actually massively down and on a downward spiral in most of the country. The science you seem to be basing your evidence on is south of the border where 'some' towns have gained a better footing because of massive investment schemes and 'inner city' mall type complexes - such as in Milton Keynes, or a good example here in the North, Manchester. Despite your amazing knowledge and scientific brain, I wonder if you could quote the same of Bury and Wigan in comparison to Bolton? oph wait? What was that? Inner town malls built. Duh! *facepalm* Sorry my science is so flawed DC.
Actually the GDP isn't up!!!! The IMF are predicting a GDP of 2.9% but it may not happen just as much as they predicted a GDP of 1/7% and it was actually much lower once all the data had been received!!! Just like when the double dip was never actually a double dip because of late data!!!
"Duh" and "facepalm", to paraphrase an eminent scientist in response to the challenge of a public 'debate' from a proponent of creationism, arguing with you would look good on your CV, not so good on mine
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC Ferret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Garbage. throw that report into File 13! Nick Jackson... have you shopped out of town at a retail park recently? I think you will find that the report you read is flawed in so many respects. What data? Who's data? When? Where? Why? What data has been gathered? I travel all over the country, I see a vast amount of town centres with boarded up and shuttered empty units such as Bolton. I see hardly any empty units at the often VERY much busier retail parks. BTW Middlebrook is approximately 4-miles from Bolton. The Trafford Centre is 2-miles from the city centre. Many retail parks are situated extremely close to the towns they serve, so people from those towns shop there. Some MAY travel further afield. The report is rubbish and you know it.[/p][/quote]Wht is that some people will dismiss research claims when they run counter to their own views, yet perversely jump onto any research which backs up their spurious claims. I can understand you claiming there is not a lot of information in this article on which to base an opinion, but then you go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like "the report is rubbish and you know it", how can you possibly know it? Or are we expected to believe your own unscientific slanted views based on your experience? Now that is rubbish, and you know it. Noietzsche had a name for people like you, ressentiment.[/p][/quote]Oh and can you explain the science? Because I see no such science. FACT: GDP may be up if you believe what the fraudulent IMF bullies state, but retail in town centre's is actually massively down and on a downward spiral in most of the country. The science you seem to be basing your evidence on is south of the border where 'some' towns have gained a better footing because of massive investment schemes and 'inner city' mall type complexes - such as in Milton Keynes, or a good example here in the North, Manchester. Despite your amazing knowledge and scientific brain, I wonder if you could quote the same of Bury and Wigan in comparison to Bolton? oph wait? What was that? Inner town malls built. Duh! *facepalm* Sorry my science is so flawed DC.[/p][/quote]Actually the GDP isn't up!!!! The IMF are predicting a GDP of 2.9% but it may not happen just as much as they predicted a GDP of 1/7% and it was actually much lower once all the data had been received!!! Just like when the double dip was never actually a double dip because of late data!!![/p][/quote]"Duh" and "facepalm", to paraphrase an eminent scientist in response to the challenge of a public 'debate' from a proponent of creationism, arguing with you would look good on your CV, not so good on mine DC Ferret
  • Score: 1

10:14am Sat 12 Apr 14

Thatissowrong says...

Perception is reality, and on that basis what I see in Bolton town centre and at the retail parks near the town contradicts the findings of this report.
Perception is reality, and on that basis what I see in Bolton town centre and at the retail parks near the town contradicts the findings of this report. Thatissowrong
  • Score: 6

10:58am Sat 12 Apr 14

Thatissowrong says...

As a newbie to this forum have just had a good read of a few threads. Fascinating. Quite a mix of opinion which is healthy. Some extremism which isn't. And some who seem to spend most of their time commenting on here, how do you find the time?
Is the site moderated adequately?
As a newbie to this forum have just had a good read of a few threads. Fascinating. Quite a mix of opinion which is healthy. Some extremism which isn't. And some who seem to spend most of their time commenting on here, how do you find the time? Is the site moderated adequately? Thatissowrong
  • Score: 4

11:31am Sat 12 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Just for Thomas...

Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke
Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte



Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!!
Where is it for all to see or is it a secret report cooked up by Deloitte who benefit from this report being the Company who do audit tax consulting & Corporate finance for Companys. Bit like turkeys voting for Christmas if they said the opposite.
Easy, Thomas,

Look it up on your yahoo!!!

Nothing secret bout it, anyway, as it was announced on ALL the news platforms yesterday, except for BN as they always seem to be 1 day behind on these things, and for a small charge you can have your own copy of the report - it isn't free!!

Plus the compiled data is about the High Street in general across the country and not just about one town!!!
Ah there lies the catch its the high street in general is it. Thats very helpful, not knowing what your Town is doing. Would you open a shop in a town in decline or one in a booming area elsewhere? same q as the eu i asked you but you had no reply if you remember....
It is in decline?

It was but Market Place is now adapting, Parking is better (especially with a free 90 minutes stay in Market Place), Shipgates is almost full of reputable shops. In fact the town is on a crest of a resurgence and I am believing in it!

Now you may not want to believe it but if you look over the last 3 years you will see what I have thought about our councillors and they way our town was going - even now I disagree a lot of what the councillors do. But the Private sector are beginning to step it up and invest in the town with a little help from the council. the more the better and that will mean empty units become full - which is beginning to happen and faith and trust of the town centre will become good again, and it is happening!!!

But you basically have nothing good to say about the town and any good news you want to rubbish - yes this report is a generalisation o the country as a whole and some towns are doing better than others - but why do you constantly want to rubbish Bolton so much that you are basically hampering the recovery!!! Don't you want Bolton to be a great town again???


As for you question in the EU thread, I answered but because you didn't like the answer you kept on asking the same question in an attempt to get me to falter my response, which I never did!!!! But that is a side note like an attempt to are trying to divert this thread yet again!!!! (8 people were banned from this site just over a week ago because the exact same style of sidelining!!!)
One at a time Pal.. Where would YOU set up a shop.... : )
Firstly it was YOU that wanted to bring other issues into this, not me, so it should be you who should be told one at a time!!!! And as the posts cannot be edited you cannot lie about it as it shows YOU started sidelining the issue!!!

Yes I would set up a shop, if I wanted to!!!

Reasons:
Cheap rent,
Good infrastructure,
Nice size town population
Lack of competition thus creating a good sound basis of gaining a foothold before any competition comes along!!!!
Great parking - plenty of car parks of which 2 are free at the weekends and 1 has first 90minutes are free and other car parks which are not badly priced!
Choice of labour skills - thus being able to get the best!
Good links to other towns and motorway network.
Crack on & do it rather than talking about it..... Just like you tell every one they are wrong and you are right... 22ND may we will find out... ; )
I can't at the moment due to my finances being tied into two businesses back in The Netherlands, which are growing - and before you say anything, they were started before I moved back to the UK for my current job, hence why I go back to The Netherlands often!!!

But with my job, I am in contact with the DWP-JCP and do use them to find new staff and also talk with various Council Departments in Bolton and the surrounding towns and cities, so I do know what is happening and how far we have come in the last 7 months compared to the last 5 years.

But I am telling people about MY ton and how it is now ripe for investment and for expansion and may people are interested and are contacting the private landlords, such as Moorcraft - the owners of The Market Place, and the Council to see what they cando.

Lets put it this way if Bolton was as bad as you think it is, would Cumfybus had expanded into the Town, would Morrisons had expanded their town centre store and built a petrol station, would Shipgates/Arndale be near capacity, would the electrification of the Bolton line be taking place, would the major 2 bus companies be investing in new buses for the town, would house prices be on the rise, like they are, would Asons be expanding and building a new office??? All private money from private companies that are investing THEIR future in the town and wanting it too succeed!!!

You may like the doom and gloom but guess what, outside your window a Bolton is rising from the ashes, yes it won't happen over night - just as much as Rome wasn't built in a day, but it is definitely growing and slowly gathering pace!!!

If you had asked me this time last year I would have said no way!!!

I knew you would say that, you are far too easy to read.

Fct is
Watch Gipsies on benefits channel 5 this evening on play back tell me this is right.. You have problems but cant take it... where would you open the shop.. you are closed matey boy.
Ps. Can you post the link please. : )
Link to what, boyo?

Did you watch Have I Got News For you, earlier - You God was on it and shown up for the hypocrite he is! But I will say is that he took it all in good faith!

Do you not remember the British woman in Rochdale with 16+ children, never worked a day in her life and was housed and looked after by the benefits system!!!

Fact s there will always be people who scrounge on the benefits system and the fact is that there are more British that do it than foreigners.. fact is out of about 1.43million EU citizens that are over here only between 4 and 5 % live on the benefits (being about 57,000) whilst of the British born population which equates to 55.5 million (once you take out the 9million who live and work abroad and do not claim anything in this country) about 10% live on the benefits system (being about 5.55million) but of those 5.5million 1 million actually live abroad and claim over here - which is more pathetic!!!


I know British people who live in The Netherlands and have never done a days work and rely on the Dutch Social Security system to live!!! It does work both ways!!! - Although you do not want to believe that as it goes against your arguments about migrants!!!

(all stats taken from the latest ONS figures that were released on Wednesday)

Have you got the link to that Channel 5 programme?
Controlled Immigration for the tenth time.......... You may want to make it a anti Immigration issue but its not... Its CONTROLLED Immigration we need & we are not in Holland.........
Controlled as in, "Just as long as they are Christian" - just like when Farage only wanted Christian Syrian refugees!!!

That is not controlled that is discrimination!!!

Fact is we do have controlled immigration on non-EU citizens!! But funnily enough there are more than 3 times of our current migrants come from non-EU countries - predominantly Asia (from China and Japan to India and Pakistan), US and Australia! But for some reason you don't seem to have a problem with that!!!

And in total the current number of migrant in this country is only 6.12% of the total population!!! (statistics from the latest ONS figures that were released this week)

You may say this is not Holland, which is true - but Holland as a country doesn't exist, either as its correct name is The Netherlands. And in fact Holland doesn't even exist as a province in The Netherlands as there is a Noord Holland and a Zuid Holland but no Holland!!! But statistically speaking The Netherlands has more migrants than the UK (per population) as the current number of migrants is 9.23% of the population (predominantly from, in ascending order, United Kingdom, Poland, Surinaam, Indonesia and Morrocco )
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Just for Thomas... Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!![/p][/quote]Where is it for all to see or is it a secret report cooked up by Deloitte who benefit from this report being the Company who do audit tax consulting & Corporate finance for Companys. Bit like turkeys voting for Christmas if they said the opposite.[/p][/quote]Easy, Thomas, Look it up on your yahoo!!! Nothing secret bout it, anyway, as it was announced on ALL the news platforms yesterday, except for BN as they always seem to be 1 day behind on these things, and for a small charge you can have your own copy of the report - it isn't free!! Plus the compiled data is about the High Street in general across the country and not just about one town!!![/p][/quote]Ah there lies the catch its the high street in general is it. Thats very helpful, not knowing what your Town is doing. Would you open a shop in a town in decline or one in a booming area elsewhere? same q as the eu i asked you but you had no reply if you remember....[/p][/quote]It is in decline? It was but Market Place is now adapting, Parking is better (especially with a free 90 minutes stay in Market Place), Shipgates is almost full of reputable shops. In fact the town is on a crest of a resurgence and I am believing in it! Now you may not want to believe it but if you look over the last 3 years you will see what I have thought about our councillors and they way our town was going - even now I disagree a lot of what the councillors do. But the Private sector are beginning to step it up and invest in the town with a little help from the council. the more the better and that will mean empty units become full - which is beginning to happen and faith and trust of the town centre will become good again, and it is happening!!! But you basically have nothing good to say about the town and any good news you want to rubbish - yes this report is a generalisation o the country as a whole and some towns are doing better than others - but why do you constantly want to rubbish Bolton so much that you are basically hampering the recovery!!! Don't you want Bolton to be a great town again??? As for you question in the EU thread, I answered but because you didn't like the answer you kept on asking the same question in an attempt to get me to falter my response, which I never did!!!! But that is a side note like an attempt to are trying to divert this thread yet again!!!! (8 people were banned from this site just over a week ago because the exact same style of sidelining!!!)[/p][/quote]One at a time Pal.. Where would YOU set up a shop.... : )[/p][/quote]Firstly it was YOU that wanted to bring other issues into this, not me, so it should be you who should be told one at a time!!!! And as the posts cannot be edited you cannot lie about it as it shows YOU started sidelining the issue!!! Yes I would set up a shop, if I wanted to!!! Reasons: Cheap rent, Good infrastructure, Nice size town population Lack of competition thus creating a good sound basis of gaining a foothold before any competition comes along!!!! Great parking - plenty of car parks of which 2 are free at the weekends and 1 has first 90minutes are free and other car parks which are not badly priced! Choice of labour skills - thus being able to get the best! Good links to other towns and motorway network.[/p][/quote]Crack on & do it rather than talking about it..... Just like you tell every one they are wrong and you are right... 22ND may we will find out... ; )[/p][/quote]I can't at the moment due to my finances being tied into two businesses back in The Netherlands, which are growing - and before you say anything, they were started before I moved back to the UK for my current job, hence why I go back to The Netherlands often!!! But with my job, I am in contact with the DWP-JCP and do use them to find new staff and also talk with various Council Departments in Bolton and the surrounding towns and cities, so I do know what is happening and how far we have come in the last 7 months compared to the last 5 years. But I am telling people about MY ton and how it is now ripe for investment and for expansion and may people are interested and are contacting the private landlords, such as Moorcraft - the owners of The Market Place, and the Council to see what they cando. Lets put it this way if Bolton was as bad as you think it is, would Cumfybus had expanded into the Town, would Morrisons had expanded their town centre store and built a petrol station, would Shipgates/Arndale be near capacity, would the electrification of the Bolton line be taking place, would the major 2 bus companies be investing in new buses for the town, would house prices be on the rise, like they are, would Asons be expanding and building a new office??? All private money from private companies that are investing THEIR future in the town and wanting it too succeed!!! You may like the doom and gloom but guess what, outside your window a Bolton is rising from the ashes, yes it won't happen over night - just as much as Rome wasn't built in a day, but it is definitely growing and slowly gathering pace!!! If you had asked me this time last year I would have said no way!!! I knew you would say that, you are far too easy to read. Fct is[/p][/quote]Watch Gipsies on benefits channel 5 this evening on play back tell me this is right.. You have problems but cant take it... where would you open the shop.. you are closed matey boy. Ps. Can you post the link please. : )[/p][/quote]Link to what, boyo? Did you watch Have I Got News For you, earlier - You God was on it and shown up for the hypocrite he is! But I will say is that he took it all in good faith! Do you not remember the British woman in Rochdale with 16+ children, never worked a day in her life and was housed and looked after by the benefits system!!! Fact s there will always be people who scrounge on the benefits system and the fact is that there are more British that do it than foreigners.. fact is out of about 1.43million EU citizens that are over here only between 4 and 5 % live on the benefits (being about 57,000) whilst of the British born population which equates to 55.5 million (once you take out the 9million who live and work abroad and do not claim anything in this country) about 10% live on the benefits system (being about 5.55million) but of those 5.5million 1 million actually live abroad and claim over here - which is more pathetic!!! I know British people who live in The Netherlands and have never done a days work and rely on the Dutch Social Security system to live!!! It does work both ways!!! - Although you do not want to believe that as it goes against your arguments about migrants!!! (all stats taken from the latest ONS figures that were released on Wednesday) Have you got the link to that Channel 5 programme?[/p][/quote]Controlled Immigration for the tenth time.......... You may want to make it a anti Immigration issue but its not... Its CONTROLLED Immigration we need & we are not in Holland.........[/p][/quote]Controlled as in, "Just as long as they are Christian" - just like when Farage only wanted Christian Syrian refugees!!! That is not controlled that is discrimination!!! Fact is we do have controlled immigration on non-EU citizens!! But funnily enough there are more than 3 times of our current migrants come from non-EU countries - predominantly Asia (from China and Japan to India and Pakistan), US and Australia! But for some reason you don't seem to have a problem with that!!! And in total the current number of migrant in this country is only 6.12% of the total population!!! (statistics from the latest ONS figures that were released this week) You may say this is not Holland, which is true - but Holland as a country doesn't exist, either as its correct name is The Netherlands. And in fact Holland doesn't even exist as a province in The Netherlands as there is a Noord Holland and a Zuid Holland but no Holland!!! But statistically speaking The Netherlands has more migrants than the UK (per population) as the current number of migrants is 9.23% of the population (predominantly from, in ascending order, United Kingdom, Poland, Surinaam, Indonesia and Morrocco ) The Righteous One
  • Score: -46

11:36am Sat 12 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Just for Thomas...

Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke
Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte



Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!!
Where is it for all to see or is it a secret report cooked up by Deloitte who benefit from this report being the Company who do audit tax consulting & Corporate finance for Companys. Bit like turkeys voting for Christmas if they said the opposite.
Easy, Thomas,

Look it up on your yahoo!!!

Nothing secret bout it, anyway, as it was announced on ALL the news platforms yesterday, except for BN as they always seem to be 1 day behind on these things, and for a small charge you can have your own copy of the report - it isn't free!!

Plus the compiled data is about the High Street in general across the country and not just about one town!!!
Ah there lies the catch its the high street in general is it. Thats very helpful, not knowing what your Town is doing. Would you open a shop in a town in decline or one in a booming area elsewhere? same q as the eu i asked you but you had no reply if you remember....
It is in decline?

It was but Market Place is now adapting, Parking is better (especially with a free 90 minutes stay in Market Place), Shipgates is almost full of reputable shops. In fact the town is on a crest of a resurgence and I am believing in it!

Now you may not want to believe it but if you look over the last 3 years you will see what I have thought about our councillors and they way our town was going - even now I disagree a lot of what the councillors do. But the Private sector are beginning to step it up and invest in the town with a little help from the council. the more the better and that will mean empty units become full - which is beginning to happen and faith and trust of the town centre will become good again, and it is happening!!!

But you basically have nothing good to say about the town and any good news you want to rubbish - yes this report is a generalisation o the country as a whole and some towns are doing better than others - but why do you constantly want to rubbish Bolton so much that you are basically hampering the recovery!!! Don't you want Bolton to be a great town again???


As for you question in the EU thread, I answered but because you didn't like the answer you kept on asking the same question in an attempt to get me to falter my response, which I never did!!!! But that is a side note like an attempt to are trying to divert this thread yet again!!!! (8 people were banned from this site just over a week ago because the exact same style of sidelining!!!)
One at a time Pal.. Where would YOU set up a shop.... : )
Firstly it was YOU that wanted to bring other issues into this, not me, so it should be you who should be told one at a time!!!! And as the posts cannot be edited you cannot lie about it as it shows YOU started sidelining the issue!!!

Yes I would set up a shop, if I wanted to!!!

Reasons:
Cheap rent,
Good infrastructure,
Nice size town population
Lack of competition thus creating a good sound basis of gaining a foothold before any competition comes along!!!!
Great parking - plenty of car parks of which 2 are free at the weekends and 1 has first 90minutes are free and other car parks which are not badly priced!
Choice of labour skills - thus being able to get the best!
Good links to other towns and motorway network.
Crack on & do it rather than talking about it..... Just like you tell every one they are wrong and you are right... 22ND may we will find out... ; )
I can't at the moment due to my finances being tied into two businesses back in The Netherlands, which are growing - and before you say anything, they were started before I moved back to the UK for my current job, hence why I go back to The Netherlands often!!!

But with my job, I am in contact with the DWP-JCP and do use them to find new staff and also talk with various Council Departments in Bolton and the surrounding towns and cities, so I do know what is happening and how far we have come in the last 7 months compared to the last 5 years.

But I am telling people about MY ton and how it is now ripe for investment and for expansion and may people are interested and are contacting the private landlords, such as Moorcraft - the owners of The Market Place, and the Council to see what they cando.

Lets put it this way if Bolton was as bad as you think it is, would Cumfybus had expanded into the Town, would Morrisons had expanded their town centre store and built a petrol station, would Shipgates/Arndale be near capacity, would the electrification of the Bolton line be taking place, would the major 2 bus companies be investing in new buses for the town, would house prices be on the rise, like they are, would Asons be expanding and building a new office??? All private money from private companies that are investing THEIR future in the town and wanting it too succeed!!!

You may like the doom and gloom but guess what, outside your window a Bolton is rising from the ashes, yes it won't happen over night - just as much as Rome wasn't built in a day, but it is definitely growing and slowly gathering pace!!!

If you had asked me this time last year I would have said no way!!!

I knew you would say that, you are far too easy to read.

Fct is
Watch Gipsies on benefits channel 5 this evening on play back tell me this is right.. You have problems but cant take it... where would you open the shop.. you are closed matey boy.
Ps. Can you post the link please. : )
Link to what, boyo?

Did you watch Have I Got News For you, earlier - You God was on it and shown up for the hypocrite he is! But I will say is that he took it all in good faith!

Do you not remember the British woman in Rochdale with 16+ children, never worked a day in her life and was housed and looked after by the benefits system!!!

Fact s there will always be people who scrounge on the benefits system and the fact is that there are more British that do it than foreigners.. fact is out of about 1.43million EU citizens that are over here only between 4 and 5 % live on the benefits (being about 57,000) whilst of the British born population which equates to 55.5 million (once you take out the 9million who live and work abroad and do not claim anything in this country) about 10% live on the benefits system (being about 5.55million) but of those 5.5million 1 million actually live abroad and claim over here - which is more pathetic!!!


I know British people who live in The Netherlands and have never done a days work and rely on the Dutch Social Security system to live!!! It does work both ways!!! - Although you do not want to believe that as it goes against your arguments about migrants!!!

(all stats taken from the latest ONS figures that were released on Wednesday)

Have you got the link to that Channel 5 programme?
Controlled Immigration for the tenth time.......... You may want to make it a anti Immigration issue but its not... Its CONTROLLED Immigration we need & we are not in Holland.........
Controlled as in, "Just as long as they are Christian" - just like when Farage only wanted Christian Syrian refugees!!!

That is not controlled that is discrimination!!!

Fact is we do have controlled immigration on non-EU citizens!! But funnily enough there are more than 3 times of our current migrants come from non-EU countries - predominantly Asia (from China and Japan to India and Pakistan), US and Australia! But for some reason you don't seem to have a problem with that!!!

And in total the current number of migrant in this country is only 6.12% of the total population!!! (statistics from the latest ONS figures that were released this week)

You may say this is not Holland, which is true - but Holland as a country doesn't exist, either as its correct name is The Netherlands. And in fact Holland doesn't even exist as a province in The Netherlands as there is a Noord Holland and a Zuid Holland but no Holland!!! But statistically speaking The Netherlands has more migrants than the UK (per population) as the current number of migrants is 9.23% of the population (predominantly from, in ascending order, United Kingdom, Poland, Surinaam, Indonesia and Morrocco )
Yes they have lots of Immigrants & thats why they are many now getting restless and want it stopped.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Just for Thomas... Report compiled by: Hugo Clarke Sourced from evidence complied by: Deloitte Neither of which have been paid by Bolton Council!!!![/p][/quote]Where is it for all to see or is it a secret report cooked up by Deloitte who benefit from this report being the Company who do audit tax consulting & Corporate finance for Companys. Bit like turkeys voting for Christmas if they said the opposite.[/p][/quote]Easy, Thomas, Look it up on your yahoo!!! Nothing secret bout it, anyway, as it was announced on ALL the news platforms yesterday, except for BN as they always seem to be 1 day behind on these things, and for a small charge you can have your own copy of the report - it isn't free!! Plus the compiled data is about the High Street in general across the country and not just about one town!!![/p][/quote]Ah there lies the catch its the high street in general is it. Thats very helpful, not knowing what your Town is doing. Would you open a shop in a town in decline or one in a booming area elsewhere? same q as the eu i asked you but you had no reply if you remember....[/p][/quote]It is in decline? It was but Market Place is now adapting, Parking is better (especially with a free 90 minutes stay in Market Place), Shipgates is almost full of reputable shops. In fact the town is on a crest of a resurgence and I am believing in it! Now you may not want to believe it but if you look over the last 3 years you will see what I have thought about our councillors and they way our town was going - even now I disagree a lot of what the councillors do. But the Private sector are beginning to step it up and invest in the town with a little help from the council. the more the better and that will mean empty units become full - which is beginning to happen and faith and trust of the town centre will become good again, and it is happening!!! But you basically have nothing good to say about the town and any good news you want to rubbish - yes this report is a generalisation o the country as a whole and some towns are doing better than others - but why do you constantly want to rubbish Bolton so much that you are basically hampering the recovery!!! Don't you want Bolton to be a great town again??? As for you question in the EU thread, I answered but because you didn't like the answer you kept on asking the same question in an attempt to get me to falter my response, which I never did!!!! But that is a side note like an attempt to are trying to divert this thread yet again!!!! (8 people were banned from this site just over a week ago because the exact same style of sidelining!!!)[/p][/quote]One at a time Pal.. Where would YOU set up a shop.... : )[/p][/quote]Firstly it was YOU that wanted to bring other issues into this, not me, so it should be you who should be told one at a time!!!! And as the posts cannot be edited you cannot lie about it as it shows YOU started sidelining the issue!!! Yes I would set up a shop, if I wanted to!!! Reasons: Cheap rent, Good infrastructure, Nice size town population Lack of competition thus creating a good sound basis of gaining a foothold before any competition comes along!!!! Great parking - plenty of car parks of which 2 are free at the weekends and 1 has first 90minutes are free and other car parks which are not badly priced! Choice of labour skills - thus being able to get the best! Good links to other towns and motorway network.[/p][/quote]Crack on & do it rather than talking about it..... Just like you tell every one they are wrong and you are right... 22ND may we will find out... ; )[/p][/quote]I can't at the moment due to my finances being tied into two businesses back in The Netherlands, which are growing - and before you say anything, they were started before I moved back to the UK for my current job, hence why I go back to The Netherlands often!!! But with my job, I am in contact with the DWP-JCP and do use them to find new staff and also talk with various Council Departments in Bolton and the surrounding towns and cities, so I do know what is happening and how far we have come in the last 7 months compared to the last 5 years. But I am telling people about MY ton and how it is now ripe for investment and for expansion and may people are interested and are contacting the private landlords, such as Moorcraft - the owners of The Market Place, and the Council to see what they cando. Lets put it this way if Bolton was as bad as you think it is, would Cumfybus had expanded into the Town, would Morrisons had expanded their town centre store and built a petrol station, would Shipgates/Arndale be near capacity, would the electrification of the Bolton line be taking place, would the major 2 bus companies be investing in new buses for the town, would house prices be on the rise, like they are, would Asons be expanding and building a new office??? All private money from private companies that are investing THEIR future in the town and wanting it too succeed!!! You may like the doom and gloom but guess what, outside your window a Bolton is rising from the ashes, yes it won't happen over night - just as much as Rome wasn't built in a day, but it is definitely growing and slowly gathering pace!!! If you had asked me this time last year I would have said no way!!! I knew you would say that, you are far too easy to read. Fct is[/p][/quote]Watch Gipsies on benefits channel 5 this evening on play back tell me this is right.. You have problems but cant take it... where would you open the shop.. you are closed matey boy. Ps. Can you post the link please. : )[/p][/quote]Link to what, boyo? Did you watch Have I Got News For you, earlier - You God was on it and shown up for the hypocrite he is! But I will say is that he took it all in good faith! Do you not remember the British woman in Rochdale with 16+ children, never worked a day in her life and was housed and looked after by the benefits system!!! Fact s there will always be people who scrounge on the benefits system and the fact is that there are more British that do it than foreigners.. fact is out of about 1.43million EU citizens that are over here only between 4 and 5 % live on the benefits (being about 57,000) whilst of the British born population which equates to 55.5 million (once you take out the 9million who live and work abroad and do not claim anything in this country) about 10% live on the benefits system (being about 5.55million) but of those 5.5million 1 million actually live abroad and claim over here - which is more pathetic!!! I know British people who live in The Netherlands and have never done a days work and rely on the Dutch Social Security system to live!!! It does work both ways!!! - Although you do not want to believe that as it goes against your arguments about migrants!!! (all stats taken from the latest ONS figures that were released on Wednesday) Have you got the link to that Channel 5 programme?[/p][/quote]Controlled Immigration for the tenth time.......... You may want to make it a anti Immigration issue but its not... Its CONTROLLED Immigration we need & we are not in Holland.........[/p][/quote]Controlled as in, "Just as long as they are Christian" - just like when Farage only wanted Christian Syrian refugees!!! That is not controlled that is discrimination!!! Fact is we do have controlled immigration on non-EU citizens!! But funnily enough there are more than 3 times of our current migrants come from non-EU countries - predominantly Asia (from China and Japan to India and Pakistan), US and Australia! But for some reason you don't seem to have a problem with that!!! And in total the current number of migrant in this country is only 6.12% of the total population!!! (statistics from the latest ONS figures that were released this week) You may say this is not Holland, which is true - but Holland as a country doesn't exist, either as its correct name is The Netherlands. And in fact Holland doesn't even exist as a province in The Netherlands as there is a Noord Holland and a Zuid Holland but no Holland!!! But statistically speaking The Netherlands has more migrants than the UK (per population) as the current number of migrants is 9.23% of the population (predominantly from, in ascending order, United Kingdom, Poland, Surinaam, Indonesia and Morrocco )[/p][/quote]Yes they have lots of Immigrants & thats why they are many now getting restless and want it stopped. thomas222
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12:46pm Sat 12 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Do they???

I think you have got your facts wrong.

In the 2009 General Election Geert Wilders party came fourth, and actually took control of the city I was living in (and it was plastered all over the BBC News at thee time!) But because his party was stubborn and wouldn't relent on any of the party policies it actually led to the dissolving of the Tweede Kamer. And when the General Election took place towards the end of 2010 Geert Wilders party actually lost ground, so much so they became the 8th most popular party instead of the 4th!!!.

The Dutch are not clamouring for more border control they accept the position and change from within - so much so they have influenced the EU more than what the UK, or even Germany and France, and got more done than what Cameron has tried to do - and guess what the Party in charge of the Dutch coalition is Conservative!!!!

After the 2012 Elections, again after the collapse of the coalition Government the current situation is as follows

VVD - Liberal & Freedom Party 41 seats
Labour party - 38 seats
Socialist Party - 15 seats
Christian Democratic Party - 13 seats
Democrats - 13 seats
Christian Union - 12 seats
Green Left - 5 seats
PVV (Geert Wilders) - 4 seats

So it seems the "EU Independence" isn't as strong as you think it is!!!

In fact the only problem the Dutch have are immigrants from outside the EU, which is basically the true problem in the UK!!!!

As I said in a previous post the migrants from outside the EU are almost 3 times the number than those from the EU, so why are you not more bothered about them?
Do they??? I think you have got your facts wrong. In the 2009 General Election Geert Wilders party came fourth, and actually took control of the city I was living in (and it was plastered all over the BBC News at thee time!) But because his party was stubborn and wouldn't relent on any of the party policies it actually led to the dissolving of the Tweede Kamer. And when the General Election took place towards the end of 2010 Geert Wilders party actually lost ground, so much so they became the 8th most popular party instead of the 4th!!!. The Dutch are not clamouring for more border control they accept the position and change from within - so much so they have influenced the EU more than what the UK, or even Germany and France, and got more done than what Cameron has tried to do - and guess what the Party in charge of the Dutch coalition is Conservative!!!! After the 2012 Elections, again after the collapse of the coalition Government the current situation is as follows VVD - Liberal & Freedom Party 41 seats Labour party - 38 seats Socialist Party - 15 seats Christian Democratic Party - 13 seats Democrats - 13 seats Christian Union - 12 seats Green Left - 5 seats PVV (Geert Wilders) - 4 seats So it seems the "EU Independence" isn't as strong as you think it is!!! In fact the only problem the Dutch have are immigrants from outside the EU, which is basically the true problem in the UK!!!! As I said in a previous post the migrants from outside the EU are almost 3 times the number than those from the EU, so why are you not more bothered about them? The Righteous One
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1:03pm Sat 12 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Do they???

I think you have got your facts wrong.

In the 2009 General Election Geert Wilders party came fourth, and actually took control of the city I was living in (and it was plastered all over the BBC News at thee time!) But because his party was stubborn and wouldn't relent on any of the party policies it actually led to the dissolving of the Tweede Kamer. And when the General Election took place towards the end of 2010 Geert Wilders party actually lost ground, so much so they became the 8th most popular party instead of the 4th!!!.

The Dutch are not clamouring for more border control they accept the position and change from within - so much so they have influenced the EU more than what the UK, or even Germany and France, and got more done than what Cameron has tried to do - and guess what the Party in charge of the Dutch coalition is Conservative!!!!

After the 2012 Elections, again after the collapse of the coalition Government the current situation is as follows

VVD - Liberal & Freedom Party 41 seats
Labour party - 38 seats
Socialist Party - 15 seats
Christian Democratic Party - 13 seats
Democrats - 13 seats
Christian Union - 12 seats
Green Left - 5 seats
PVV (Geert Wilders) - 4 seats

So it seems the "EU Independence" isn't as strong as you think it is!!!

In fact the only problem the Dutch have are immigrants from outside the EU, which is basically the true problem in the UK!!!!

As I said in a previous post the migrants from outside the EU are almost 3 times the number than those from the EU, so why are you not more bothered about them?
What has 2009 2010 & 2012 got to do with now. Your not keeping up to speed the games up things have changed. UKIP have just got passed 35000 members and are recruiting new staff to cope with the flood of applications to join. How good is that then.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Do they??? I think you have got your facts wrong. In the 2009 General Election Geert Wilders party came fourth, and actually took control of the city I was living in (and it was plastered all over the BBC News at thee time!) But because his party was stubborn and wouldn't relent on any of the party policies it actually led to the dissolving of the Tweede Kamer. And when the General Election took place towards the end of 2010 Geert Wilders party actually lost ground, so much so they became the 8th most popular party instead of the 4th!!!. The Dutch are not clamouring for more border control they accept the position and change from within - so much so they have influenced the EU more than what the UK, or even Germany and France, and got more done than what Cameron has tried to do - and guess what the Party in charge of the Dutch coalition is Conservative!!!! After the 2012 Elections, again after the collapse of the coalition Government the current situation is as follows VVD - Liberal & Freedom Party 41 seats Labour party - 38 seats Socialist Party - 15 seats Christian Democratic Party - 13 seats Democrats - 13 seats Christian Union - 12 seats Green Left - 5 seats PVV (Geert Wilders) - 4 seats So it seems the "EU Independence" isn't as strong as you think it is!!! In fact the only problem the Dutch have are immigrants from outside the EU, which is basically the true problem in the UK!!!! As I said in a previous post the migrants from outside the EU are almost 3 times the number than those from the EU, so why are you not more bothered about them?[/p][/quote]What has 2009 2010 & 2012 got to do with now. Your not keeping up to speed the games up things have changed. UKIP have just got passed 35000 members and are recruiting new staff to cope with the flood of applications to join. How good is that then. thomas222
  • Score: -1

1:32pm Sat 12 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Do they???

I think you have got your facts wrong.

In the 2009 General Election Geert Wilders party came fourth, and actually took control of the city I was living in (and it was plastered all over the BBC News at thee time!) But because his party was stubborn and wouldn't relent on any of the party policies it actually led to the dissolving of the Tweede Kamer. And when the General Election took place towards the end of 2010 Geert Wilders party actually lost ground, so much so they became the 8th most popular party instead of the 4th!!!.

The Dutch are not clamouring for more border control they accept the position and change from within - so much so they have influenced the EU more than what the UK, or even Germany and France, and got more done than what Cameron has tried to do - and guess what the Party in charge of the Dutch coalition is Conservative!!!!

After the 2012 Elections, again after the collapse of the coalition Government the current situation is as follows

VVD - Liberal & Freedom Party 41 seats
Labour party - 38 seats
Socialist Party - 15 seats
Christian Democratic Party - 13 seats
Democrats - 13 seats
Christian Union - 12 seats
Green Left - 5 seats
PVV (Geert Wilders) - 4 seats

So it seems the "EU Independence" isn't as strong as you think it is!!!

In fact the only problem the Dutch have are immigrants from outside the EU, which is basically the true problem in the UK!!!!

As I said in a previous post the migrants from outside the EU are almost 3 times the number than those from the EU, so why are you not more bothered about them?
What has 2009 2010 & 2012 got to do with now. Your not keeping up to speed the games up things have changed. UKIP have just got passed 35000 members and are recruiting new staff to cope with the flood of applications to join. How good is that then.
Has it????

As I say In the Netherlands Geert Wilders Party was there but they were too stubborn and forced another election in which they lost and lost again in another and they went from the fastest growing Political Party to basically a 3rd rate party - and they wanted independence from EU and tighter border controls!!! In fact everything that Geert Wilders did, Farage has basically copied!!!

You say UKIP has just past 35,000 mark and having flood of application, therefore can you tell me why Labour are outstripping UKIP for new member by over 25% and even The Greens and LibDems are also increasing their numbers!!!

In last 12 months UKIP members up by 5,081
In last 12 months Labour members up by 7,251
In last 12 months LibDems members up by 3, 228
In last 12 months Greens members up by 3,000 (fastest growing party this year, so far)
In last 12 months Conservatives members down by 1,254
In last 12 months BNP members down by almost 10,000

How good is that when the full picture is shown!!!!! Now I would advise to stop cherry-piking information and show the whole picture to give undecided people the full information so they can choose sensibly!!!

Now what was it Farage said, only Christian Syrian refugees, any others with other religions can stay there - also lets not forget the £2million+ tht Farage has taken as expenses, so far, whilst being an MEP and most of that has gone to his "mistress" who works for him, as well as paying for his wife who works for him (breaking the rules!!!!).
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Do they??? I think you have got your facts wrong. In the 2009 General Election Geert Wilders party came fourth, and actually took control of the city I was living in (and it was plastered all over the BBC News at thee time!) But because his party was stubborn and wouldn't relent on any of the party policies it actually led to the dissolving of the Tweede Kamer. And when the General Election took place towards the end of 2010 Geert Wilders party actually lost ground, so much so they became the 8th most popular party instead of the 4th!!!. The Dutch are not clamouring for more border control they accept the position and change from within - so much so they have influenced the EU more than what the UK, or even Germany and France, and got more done than what Cameron has tried to do - and guess what the Party in charge of the Dutch coalition is Conservative!!!! After the 2012 Elections, again after the collapse of the coalition Government the current situation is as follows VVD - Liberal & Freedom Party 41 seats Labour party - 38 seats Socialist Party - 15 seats Christian Democratic Party - 13 seats Democrats - 13 seats Christian Union - 12 seats Green Left - 5 seats PVV (Geert Wilders) - 4 seats So it seems the "EU Independence" isn't as strong as you think it is!!! In fact the only problem the Dutch have are immigrants from outside the EU, which is basically the true problem in the UK!!!! As I said in a previous post the migrants from outside the EU are almost 3 times the number than those from the EU, so why are you not more bothered about them?[/p][/quote]What has 2009 2010 & 2012 got to do with now. Your not keeping up to speed the games up things have changed. UKIP have just got passed 35000 members and are recruiting new staff to cope with the flood of applications to join. How good is that then.[/p][/quote]Has it???? As I say In the Netherlands Geert Wilders Party was there but they were too stubborn and forced another election in which they lost and lost again in another and they went from the fastest growing Political Party to basically a 3rd rate party - and they wanted independence from EU and tighter border controls!!! In fact everything that Geert Wilders did, Farage has basically copied!!! You say UKIP has just past 35,000 mark and having flood of application, therefore can you tell me why Labour are outstripping UKIP for new member by over 25% and even The Greens and LibDems are also increasing their numbers!!! In last 12 months UKIP members up by 5,081 In last 12 months Labour members up by 7,251 In last 12 months LibDems members up by 3, 228 In last 12 months Greens members up by 3,000 (fastest growing party this year, so far) In last 12 months Conservatives members down by 1,254 In last 12 months BNP members down by almost 10,000 How good is that when the full picture is shown!!!!! Now I would advise to stop cherry-piking information and show the whole picture to give undecided people the full information so they can choose sensibly!!! Now what was it Farage said, only Christian Syrian refugees, any others with other religions can stay there - also lets not forget the £2million+ tht Farage has taken as expenses, so far, whilst being an MEP and most of that has gone to his "mistress" who works for him, as well as paying for his wife who works for him (breaking the rules!!!!). The Righteous One
  • Score: -67

1:36pm Sat 12 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Do they???

I think you have got your facts wrong.

In the 2009 General Election Geert Wilders party came fourth, and actually took control of the city I was living in (and it was plastered all over the BBC News at thee time!) But because his party was stubborn and wouldn't relent on any of the party policies it actually led to the dissolving of the Tweede Kamer. And when the General Election took place towards the end of 2010 Geert Wilders party actually lost ground, so much so they became the 8th most popular party instead of the 4th!!!.

The Dutch are not clamouring for more border control they accept the position and change from within - so much so they have influenced the EU more than what the UK, or even Germany and France, and got more done than what Cameron has tried to do - and guess what the Party in charge of the Dutch coalition is Conservative!!!!

After the 2012 Elections, again after the collapse of the coalition Government the current situation is as follows

VVD - Liberal & Freedom Party 41 seats
Labour party - 38 seats
Socialist Party - 15 seats
Christian Democratic Party - 13 seats
Democrats - 13 seats
Christian Union - 12 seats
Green Left - 5 seats
PVV (Geert Wilders) - 4 seats

So it seems the "EU Independence" isn't as strong as you think it is!!!

In fact the only problem the Dutch have are immigrants from outside the EU, which is basically the true problem in the UK!!!!

As I said in a previous post the migrants from outside the EU are almost 3 times the number than those from the EU, so why are you not more bothered about them?
What has 2009 2010 & 2012 got to do with now. Your not keeping up to speed the games up things have changed. UKIP have just got passed 35000 members and are recruiting new staff to cope with the flood of applications to join. How good is that then.
Has it????

As I say In the Netherlands Geert Wilders Party was there but they were too stubborn and forced another election in which they lost and lost again in another and they went from the fastest growing Political Party to basically a 3rd rate party - and they wanted independence from EU and tighter border controls!!! In fact everything that Geert Wilders did, Farage has basically copied!!!

You say UKIP has just past 35,000 mark and having flood of application, therefore can you tell me why Labour are outstripping UKIP for new member by over 25% and even The Greens and LibDems are also increasing their numbers!!!

In last 12 months UKIP members up by 5,081
In last 12 months Labour members up by 7,251
In last 12 months LibDems members up by 3, 228
In last 12 months Greens members up by 3,000 (fastest growing party this year, so far)
In last 12 months Conservatives members down by 1,254
In last 12 months BNP members down by almost 10,000

How good is that when the full picture is shown!!!!! Now I would advise to stop cherry-piking information and show the whole picture to give undecided people the full information so they can choose sensibly!!!

Now what was it Farage said, only Christian Syrian refugees, any others with other religions can stay there - also lets not forget the £2million+ tht Farage has taken as expenses, so far, whilst being an MEP and most of that has gone to his "mistress" who works for him, as well as paying for his wife who works for him (breaking the rules!!!!).
Your figures are false....... the torys keep it private for one... think the others also do unless you can show me the link....
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Do they??? I think you have got your facts wrong. In the 2009 General Election Geert Wilders party came fourth, and actually took control of the city I was living in (and it was plastered all over the BBC News at thee time!) But because his party was stubborn and wouldn't relent on any of the party policies it actually led to the dissolving of the Tweede Kamer. And when the General Election took place towards the end of 2010 Geert Wilders party actually lost ground, so much so they became the 8th most popular party instead of the 4th!!!. The Dutch are not clamouring for more border control they accept the position and change from within - so much so they have influenced the EU more than what the UK, or even Germany and France, and got more done than what Cameron has tried to do - and guess what the Party in charge of the Dutch coalition is Conservative!!!! After the 2012 Elections, again after the collapse of the coalition Government the current situation is as follows VVD - Liberal & Freedom Party 41 seats Labour party - 38 seats Socialist Party - 15 seats Christian Democratic Party - 13 seats Democrats - 13 seats Christian Union - 12 seats Green Left - 5 seats PVV (Geert Wilders) - 4 seats So it seems the "EU Independence" isn't as strong as you think it is!!! In fact the only problem the Dutch have are immigrants from outside the EU, which is basically the true problem in the UK!!!! As I said in a previous post the migrants from outside the EU are almost 3 times the number than those from the EU, so why are you not more bothered about them?[/p][/quote]What has 2009 2010 & 2012 got to do with now. Your not keeping up to speed the games up things have changed. UKIP have just got passed 35000 members and are recruiting new staff to cope with the flood of applications to join. How good is that then.[/p][/quote]Has it???? As I say In the Netherlands Geert Wilders Party was there but they were too stubborn and forced another election in which they lost and lost again in another and they went from the fastest growing Political Party to basically a 3rd rate party - and they wanted independence from EU and tighter border controls!!! In fact everything that Geert Wilders did, Farage has basically copied!!! You say UKIP has just past 35,000 mark and having flood of application, therefore can you tell me why Labour are outstripping UKIP for new member by over 25% and even The Greens and LibDems are also increasing their numbers!!! In last 12 months UKIP members up by 5,081 In last 12 months Labour members up by 7,251 In last 12 months LibDems members up by 3, 228 In last 12 months Greens members up by 3,000 (fastest growing party this year, so far) In last 12 months Conservatives members down by 1,254 In last 12 months BNP members down by almost 10,000 How good is that when the full picture is shown!!!!! Now I would advise to stop cherry-piking information and show the whole picture to give undecided people the full information so they can choose sensibly!!! Now what was it Farage said, only Christian Syrian refugees, any others with other religions can stay there - also lets not forget the £2million+ tht Farage has taken as expenses, so far, whilst being an MEP and most of that has gone to his "mistress" who works for him, as well as paying for his wife who works for him (breaking the rules!!!!).[/p][/quote]Your figures are false....... the torys keep it private for one... think the others also do unless you can show me the link.... thomas222
  • Score: -1

1:48pm Sat 12 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Do they???

I think you have got your facts wrong.

In the 2009 General Election Geert Wilders party came fourth, and actually took control of the city I was living in (and it was plastered all over the BBC News at thee time!) But because his party was stubborn and wouldn't relent on any of the party policies it actually led to the dissolving of the Tweede Kamer. And when the General Election took place towards the end of 2010 Geert Wilders party actually lost ground, so much so they became the 8th most popular party instead of the 4th!!!.

The Dutch are not clamouring for more border control they accept the position and change from within - so much so they have influenced the EU more than what the UK, or even Germany and France, and got more done than what Cameron has tried to do - and guess what the Party in charge of the Dutch coalition is Conservative!!!!

After the 2012 Elections, again after the collapse of the coalition Government the current situation is as follows

VVD - Liberal & Freedom Party 41 seats
Labour party - 38 seats
Socialist Party - 15 seats
Christian Democratic Party - 13 seats
Democrats - 13 seats
Christian Union - 12 seats
Green Left - 5 seats
PVV (Geert Wilders) - 4 seats

So it seems the "EU Independence" isn't as strong as you think it is!!!

In fact the only problem the Dutch have are immigrants from outside the EU, which is basically the true problem in the UK!!!!

As I said in a previous post the migrants from outside the EU are almost 3 times the number than those from the EU, so why are you not more bothered about them?
What has 2009 2010 & 2012 got to do with now. Your not keeping up to speed the games up things have changed. UKIP have just got passed 35000 members and are recruiting new staff to cope with the flood of applications to join. How good is that then.
Has it????

As I say In the Netherlands Geert Wilders Party was there but they were too stubborn and forced another election in which they lost and lost again in another and they went from the fastest growing Political Party to basically a 3rd rate party - and they wanted independence from EU and tighter border controls!!! In fact everything that Geert Wilders did, Farage has basically copied!!!

You say UKIP has just past 35,000 mark and having flood of application, therefore can you tell me why Labour are outstripping UKIP for new member by over 25% and even The Greens and LibDems are also increasing their numbers!!!

In last 12 months UKIP members up by 5,081
In last 12 months Labour members up by 7,251
In last 12 months LibDems members up by 3, 228
In last 12 months Greens members up by 3,000 (fastest growing party this year, so far)
In last 12 months Conservatives members down by 1,254
In last 12 months BNP members down by almost 10,000

How good is that when the full picture is shown!!!!! Now I would advise to stop cherry-piking information and show the whole picture to give undecided people the full information so they can choose sensibly!!!

Now what was it Farage said, only Christian Syrian refugees, any others with other religions can stay there - also lets not forget the £2million+ tht Farage has taken as expenses, so far, whilst being an MEP and most of that has gone to his "mistress" who works for him, as well as paying for his wife who works for him (breaking the rules!!!!).
Your figures are false....... the torys keep it private for one... think the others also do unless you can show me the link....
Tories do not keep it secret, not since the Independent, in 2013, made public the extent members numbers have dramatically fallen (fallen by 125,000 since 2005) - and funnily enough only a small fraction went to UKIP with the rest going to Labour and LibDems!

Therefore you are saying my figures are false, and as such you are saying that you are lying with UKIP having 35,000!!!

And for that I do not need to show a link, because YOU state it above, without actually providing a source or link!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Do they??? I think you have got your facts wrong. In the 2009 General Election Geert Wilders party came fourth, and actually took control of the city I was living in (and it was plastered all over the BBC News at thee time!) But because his party was stubborn and wouldn't relent on any of the party policies it actually led to the dissolving of the Tweede Kamer. And when the General Election took place towards the end of 2010 Geert Wilders party actually lost ground, so much so they became the 8th most popular party instead of the 4th!!!. The Dutch are not clamouring for more border control they accept the position and change from within - so much so they have influenced the EU more than what the UK, or even Germany and France, and got more done than what Cameron has tried to do - and guess what the Party in charge of the Dutch coalition is Conservative!!!! After the 2012 Elections, again after the collapse of the coalition Government the current situation is as follows VVD - Liberal & Freedom Party 41 seats Labour party - 38 seats Socialist Party - 15 seats Christian Democratic Party - 13 seats Democrats - 13 seats Christian Union - 12 seats Green Left - 5 seats PVV (Geert Wilders) - 4 seats So it seems the "EU Independence" isn't as strong as you think it is!!! In fact the only problem the Dutch have are immigrants from outside the EU, which is basically the true problem in the UK!!!! As I said in a previous post the migrants from outside the EU are almost 3 times the number than those from the EU, so why are you not more bothered about them?[/p][/quote]What has 2009 2010 & 2012 got to do with now. Your not keeping up to speed the games up things have changed. UKIP have just got passed 35000 members and are recruiting new staff to cope with the flood of applications to join. How good is that then.[/p][/quote]Has it???? As I say In the Netherlands Geert Wilders Party was there but they were too stubborn and forced another election in which they lost and lost again in another and they went from the fastest growing Political Party to basically a 3rd rate party - and they wanted independence from EU and tighter border controls!!! In fact everything that Geert Wilders did, Farage has basically copied!!! You say UKIP has just past 35,000 mark and having flood of application, therefore can you tell me why Labour are outstripping UKIP for new member by over 25% and even The Greens and LibDems are also increasing their numbers!!! In last 12 months UKIP members up by 5,081 In last 12 months Labour members up by 7,251 In last 12 months LibDems members up by 3, 228 In last 12 months Greens members up by 3,000 (fastest growing party this year, so far) In last 12 months Conservatives members down by 1,254 In last 12 months BNP members down by almost 10,000 How good is that when the full picture is shown!!!!! Now I would advise to stop cherry-piking information and show the whole picture to give undecided people the full information so they can choose sensibly!!! Now what was it Farage said, only Christian Syrian refugees, any others with other religions can stay there - also lets not forget the £2million+ tht Farage has taken as expenses, so far, whilst being an MEP and most of that has gone to his "mistress" who works for him, as well as paying for his wife who works for him (breaking the rules!!!!).[/p][/quote]Your figures are false....... the torys keep it private for one... think the others also do unless you can show me the link....[/p][/quote]Tories do not keep it secret, not since the Independent, in 2013, made public the extent members numbers have dramatically fallen (fallen by 125,000 since 2005) - and funnily enough only a small fraction went to UKIP with the rest going to Labour and LibDems! Therefore you are saying my figures are false, and as such you are saying that you are lying with UKIP having 35,000!!! And for that I do not need to show a link, because YOU state it above, without actually providing a source or link!!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -37

5:23pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Thatissowrong says...

I thought I was reading the Bolton news and the retail report. Seems I'm wrong as this is clearly the Rotterdam Gazette. Very boring. That said I can understand it all - never knew I could speak Dutch until today. It's a miracle.
I thought I was reading the Bolton news and the retail report. Seems I'm wrong as this is clearly the Rotterdam Gazette. Very boring. That said I can understand it all - never knew I could speak Dutch until today. It's a miracle. Thatissowrong
  • Score: 2

6:51pm Sat 12 Apr 14

paulrich says...

Why is it that every thread on every article or letter on this site which could produce a sensible debate degenerates in minutes to a slagging match between the two or three trolls who insist on winding each other up with ever more ridiculous assertions. Do us a favour lads - go and find a playground for your third form antics- either that or lets have a duel at dawn.
Why is it that every thread on every article or letter on this site which could produce a sensible debate degenerates in minutes to a slagging match between the two or three trolls who insist on winding each other up with ever more ridiculous assertions. Do us a favour lads - go and find a playground for your third form antics- either that or lets have a duel at dawn. paulrich
  • Score: 2

7:57pm Sat 12 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

paulrich wrote:
Why is it that every thread on every article or letter on this site which could produce a sensible debate degenerates in minutes to a slagging match between the two or three trolls who insist on winding each other up with ever more ridiculous assertions. Do us a favour lads - go and find a playground for your third form antics- either that or lets have a duel at dawn.
Who do you vote for Paul ?.
[quote][p][bold]paulrich[/bold] wrote: Why is it that every thread on every article or letter on this site which could produce a sensible debate degenerates in minutes to a slagging match between the two or three trolls who insist on winding each other up with ever more ridiculous assertions. Do us a favour lads - go and find a playground for your third form antics- either that or lets have a duel at dawn.[/p][/quote]Who do you vote for Paul ?. thomas222
  • Score: -2

8:52pm Sat 12 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
paulrich wrote:
Why is it that every thread on every article or letter on this site which could produce a sensible debate degenerates in minutes to a slagging match between the two or three trolls who insist on winding each other up with ever more ridiculous assertions. Do us a favour lads - go and find a playground for your third form antics- either that or lets have a duel at dawn.
Who do you vote for Paul ?.
Does it matter who anyone votes for?

That decision is between the person and the ballot box - if they wish to vote or not!

In fact under English and Welsh law it is actually illegal to ask, or badger people into submission into finding out.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paulrich[/bold] wrote: Why is it that every thread on every article or letter on this site which could produce a sensible debate degenerates in minutes to a slagging match between the two or three trolls who insist on winding each other up with ever more ridiculous assertions. Do us a favour lads - go and find a playground for your third form antics- either that or lets have a duel at dawn.[/p][/quote]Who do you vote for Paul ?.[/p][/quote]Does it matter who anyone votes for? That decision is between the person and the ballot box - if they wish to vote or not! In fact under English and Welsh law it is actually illegal to ask, or badger people into submission into finding out. The Righteous One
  • Score: -30

9:03pm Sat 12 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

In fact it was the working class that wanted the secrecy surrounding who people voted for and here you are undermining what the working class fought for!!!!!

If you don't believe me then read up on this.....

The Ballot Act 1872 replaced open elections with a secret ballot system. The Corrupt and Illegal Practices Prevention Act 1883 criminalised attempts to bribe voters and standardised the amount that could be spent on election expenses.

All to do with the Chartist Movement in the 1860's and 1870's. Whilst there have been reforms since then the area of secrecy has actually been strengthened!!!
In fact it was the working class that wanted the secrecy surrounding who people voted for and here you are undermining what the working class fought for!!!!! If you don't believe me then read up on this..... The Ballot Act 1872 replaced open elections with a secret ballot system. The Corrupt and Illegal Practices Prevention Act 1883 criminalised attempts to bribe voters and standardised the amount that could be spent on election expenses. All to do with the Chartist Movement in the 1860's and 1870's. Whilst there have been reforms since then the area of secrecy has actually been strengthened!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -29

9:08pm Sat 12 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
paulrich wrote:
Why is it that every thread on every article or letter on this site which could produce a sensible debate degenerates in minutes to a slagging match between the two or three trolls who insist on winding each other up with ever more ridiculous assertions. Do us a favour lads - go and find a playground for your third form antics- either that or lets have a duel at dawn.
Who do you vote for Paul ?.
Does it matter who anyone votes for?

That decision is between the person and the ballot box - if they wish to vote or not!

In fact under English and Welsh law it is actually illegal to ask, or badger people into submission into finding out.
If you cant show who you support you stand for nothing because you are waging a one sided fight.... all your all doing it wrong but me, who stands for nothing is great btw.. You are a Troll & Trolls never admit to supporting anyone because it leaves them open to questions.. Trolls dont like that they only like telling everyone else what they are doing wrong..........
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paulrich[/bold] wrote: Why is it that every thread on every article or letter on this site which could produce a sensible debate degenerates in minutes to a slagging match between the two or three trolls who insist on winding each other up with ever more ridiculous assertions. Do us a favour lads - go and find a playground for your third form antics- either that or lets have a duel at dawn.[/p][/quote]Who do you vote for Paul ?.[/p][/quote]Does it matter who anyone votes for? That decision is between the person and the ballot box - if they wish to vote or not! In fact under English and Welsh law it is actually illegal to ask, or badger people into submission into finding out.[/p][/quote]If you cant show who you support you stand for nothing because you are waging a one sided fight.... all your all doing it wrong but me, who stands for nothing is great btw.. You are a Troll & Trolls never admit to supporting anyone because it leaves them open to questions.. Trolls dont like that they only like telling everyone else what they are doing wrong.......... thomas222
  • Score: 24

9:24pm Sat 12 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
paulrich wrote:
Why is it that every thread on every article or letter on this site which could produce a sensible debate degenerates in minutes to a slagging match between the two or three trolls who insist on winding each other up with ever more ridiculous assertions. Do us a favour lads - go and find a playground for your third form antics- either that or lets have a duel at dawn.
Who do you vote for Paul ?.
Does it matter who anyone votes for?

That decision is between the person and the ballot box - if they wish to vote or not!

In fact under English and Welsh law it is actually illegal to ask, or badger people into submission into finding out.
If you cant show who you support you stand for nothing because you are waging a one sided fight.... all your all doing it wrong but me, who stands for nothing is great btw.. You are a Troll & Trolls never admit to supporting anyone because it leaves them open to questions.. Trolls dont like that they only like telling everyone else what they are doing wrong..........
Therefore you are saying you want to rip up everything that your fore-fathers, in the working class, fought for?

What for?

Do you believe in democracy or not? If so then you should be upholding the secrecy of the voting slip in the ballot box!

Trolls = Is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

i.e your post at 7:57pm by asking the question!!!

As it is, in the last election I didn't vote (plain simple fact that I wasn't living in the country) and in next years election I will probably spoil my voting slip as NONE of the party's policies are in tune with what I believe, and why should I vote for any party, where I do not believe in their policies, just because it is a vote?

Again under the British Constitution one is allowed not to vote and still have a voice due to the fact that voting for a party you do not believe in is actually undemocratic!!!

Actually if you look at the best political bloggers and reviewers they are the ones who are not biased, or tied to a party, as they can give a full and independent point of view of each party and basically a full and clear picture of which each party stands for and whether the policies are workable or not!!!

Being tied to party makes one biased in ALL viewpoints as you have to toe the party-line whether you believe in a policy or not!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paulrich[/bold] wrote: Why is it that every thread on every article or letter on this site which could produce a sensible debate degenerates in minutes to a slagging match between the two or three trolls who insist on winding each other up with ever more ridiculous assertions. Do us a favour lads - go and find a playground for your third form antics- either that or lets have a duel at dawn.[/p][/quote]Who do you vote for Paul ?.[/p][/quote]Does it matter who anyone votes for? That decision is between the person and the ballot box - if they wish to vote or not! In fact under English and Welsh law it is actually illegal to ask, or badger people into submission into finding out.[/p][/quote]If you cant show who you support you stand for nothing because you are waging a one sided fight.... all your all doing it wrong but me, who stands for nothing is great btw.. You are a Troll & Trolls never admit to supporting anyone because it leaves them open to questions.. Trolls dont like that they only like telling everyone else what they are doing wrong..........[/p][/quote]Therefore you are saying you want to rip up everything that your fore-fathers, in the working class, fought for? What for? Do you believe in democracy or not? If so then you should be upholding the secrecy of the voting slip in the ballot box! Trolls = Is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. i.e your post at 7:57pm by asking the question!!! As it is, in the last election I didn't vote (plain simple fact that I wasn't living in the country) and in next years election I will probably spoil my voting slip as NONE of the party's policies are in tune with what I believe, and why should I vote for any party, where I do not believe in their policies, just because it is a vote? Again under the British Constitution one is allowed not to vote and still have a voice due to the fact that voting for a party you do not believe in is actually undemocratic!!! Actually if you look at the best political bloggers and reviewers they are the ones who are not biased, or tied to a party, as they can give a full and independent point of view of each party and basically a full and clear picture of which each party stands for and whether the policies are workable or not!!! Being tied to party makes one biased in ALL viewpoints as you have to toe the party-line whether you believe in a policy or not!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -35

9:31pm Sat 12 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
paulrich wrote:
Why is it that every thread on every article or letter on this site which could produce a sensible debate degenerates in minutes to a slagging match between the two or three trolls who insist on winding each other up with ever more ridiculous assertions. Do us a favour lads - go and find a playground for your third form antics- either that or lets have a duel at dawn.
Who do you vote for Paul ?.
Does it matter who anyone votes for?

That decision is between the person and the ballot box - if they wish to vote or not!

In fact under English and Welsh law it is actually illegal to ask, or badger people into submission into finding out.
If you cant show who you support you stand for nothing because you are waging a one sided fight.... all your all doing it wrong but me, who stands for nothing is great btw.. You are a Troll & Trolls never admit to supporting anyone because it leaves them open to questions.. Trolls dont like that they only like telling everyone else what they are doing wrong..........
Therefore you are saying you want to rip up everything that your fore-fathers, in the working class, fought for?

What for?

Do you believe in democracy or not? If so then you should be upholding the secrecy of the voting slip in the ballot box!

Trolls = Is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

i.e your post at 7:57pm by asking the question!!!

As it is, in the last election I didn't vote (plain simple fact that I wasn't living in the country) and in next years election I will probably spoil my voting slip as NONE of the party's policies are in tune with what I believe, and why should I vote for any party, where I do not believe in their policies, just because it is a vote?

Again under the British Constitution one is allowed not to vote and still have a voice due to the fact that voting for a party you do not believe in is actually undemocratic!!!

Actually if you look at the best political bloggers and reviewers they are the ones who are not biased, or tied to a party, as they can give a full and independent point of view of each party and basically a full and clear picture of which each party stands for and whether the policies are workable or not!!!

Being tied to party makes one biased in ALL viewpoints as you have to toe the party-line whether you believe in a policy or not!!!!
Go away Troll the game is up.... big mouth no bolloxs....
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paulrich[/bold] wrote: Why is it that every thread on every article or letter on this site which could produce a sensible debate degenerates in minutes to a slagging match between the two or three trolls who insist on winding each other up with ever more ridiculous assertions. Do us a favour lads - go and find a playground for your third form antics- either that or lets have a duel at dawn.[/p][/quote]Who do you vote for Paul ?.[/p][/quote]Does it matter who anyone votes for? That decision is between the person and the ballot box - if they wish to vote or not! In fact under English and Welsh law it is actually illegal to ask, or badger people into submission into finding out.[/p][/quote]If you cant show who you support you stand for nothing because you are waging a one sided fight.... all your all doing it wrong but me, who stands for nothing is great btw.. You are a Troll & Trolls never admit to supporting anyone because it leaves them open to questions.. Trolls dont like that they only like telling everyone else what they are doing wrong..........[/p][/quote]Therefore you are saying you want to rip up everything that your fore-fathers, in the working class, fought for? What for? Do you believe in democracy or not? If so then you should be upholding the secrecy of the voting slip in the ballot box! Trolls = Is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. i.e your post at 7:57pm by asking the question!!! As it is, in the last election I didn't vote (plain simple fact that I wasn't living in the country) and in next years election I will probably spoil my voting slip as NONE of the party's policies are in tune with what I believe, and why should I vote for any party, where I do not believe in their policies, just because it is a vote? Again under the British Constitution one is allowed not to vote and still have a voice due to the fact that voting for a party you do not believe in is actually undemocratic!!! Actually if you look at the best political bloggers and reviewers they are the ones who are not biased, or tied to a party, as they can give a full and independent point of view of each party and basically a full and clear picture of which each party stands for and whether the policies are workable or not!!! Being tied to party makes one biased in ALL viewpoints as you have to toe the party-line whether you believe in a policy or not!!!![/p][/quote]Go away Troll the game is up.... big mouth no bolloxs.... thomas222
  • Score: 36

9:36pm Sat 12 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
paulrich wrote:
Why is it that every thread on every article or letter on this site which could produce a sensible debate degenerates in minutes to a slagging match between the two or three trolls who insist on winding each other up with ever more ridiculous assertions. Do us a favour lads - go and find a playground for your third form antics- either that or lets have a duel at dawn.
Who do you vote for Paul ?.
Does it matter who anyone votes for?

That decision is between the person and the ballot box - if they wish to vote or not!

In fact under English and Welsh law it is actually illegal to ask, or badger people into submission into finding out.
If you cant show who you support you stand for nothing because you are waging a one sided fight.... all your all doing it wrong but me, who stands for nothing is great btw.. You are a Troll & Trolls never admit to supporting anyone because it leaves them open to questions.. Trolls dont like that they only like telling everyone else what they are doing wrong..........
Therefore you are saying you want to rip up everything that your fore-fathers, in the working class, fought for?

What for?

Do you believe in democracy or not? If so then you should be upholding the secrecy of the voting slip in the ballot box!

Trolls = Is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

i.e your post at 7:57pm by asking the question!!!

As it is, in the last election I didn't vote (plain simple fact that I wasn't living in the country) and in next years election I will probably spoil my voting slip as NONE of the party's policies are in tune with what I believe, and why should I vote for any party, where I do not believe in their policies, just because it is a vote?

Again under the British Constitution one is allowed not to vote and still have a voice due to the fact that voting for a party you do not believe in is actually undemocratic!!!

Actually if you look at the best political bloggers and reviewers they are the ones who are not biased, or tied to a party, as they can give a full and independent point of view of each party and basically a full and clear picture of which each party stands for and whether the policies are workable or not!!!

Being tied to party makes one biased in ALL viewpoints as you have to toe the party-line whether you believe in a policy or not!!!!
Go away Troll the game is up.... big mouth no bolloxs....
You are the troll - I have given an explanation of what one is.

Here it is, again;

Troll = Is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.


You are the one who is wanting to destroy the oldest democratic system in the world with your illegal activities!!

No game is up, because politics never ends!!! It will only end when it becomes undemocratic, which is what YOU are wanting!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paulrich[/bold] wrote: Why is it that every thread on every article or letter on this site which could produce a sensible debate degenerates in minutes to a slagging match between the two or three trolls who insist on winding each other up with ever more ridiculous assertions. Do us a favour lads - go and find a playground for your third form antics- either that or lets have a duel at dawn.[/p][/quote]Who do you vote for Paul ?.[/p][/quote]Does it matter who anyone votes for? That decision is between the person and the ballot box - if they wish to vote or not! In fact under English and Welsh law it is actually illegal to ask, or badger people into submission into finding out.[/p][/quote]If you cant show who you support you stand for nothing because you are waging a one sided fight.... all your all doing it wrong but me, who stands for nothing is great btw.. You are a Troll & Trolls never admit to supporting anyone because it leaves them open to questions.. Trolls dont like that they only like telling everyone else what they are doing wrong..........[/p][/quote]Therefore you are saying you want to rip up everything that your fore-fathers, in the working class, fought for? What for? Do you believe in democracy or not? If so then you should be upholding the secrecy of the voting slip in the ballot box! Trolls = Is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. i.e your post at 7:57pm by asking the question!!! As it is, in the last election I didn't vote (plain simple fact that I wasn't living in the country) and in next years election I will probably spoil my voting slip as NONE of the party's policies are in tune with what I believe, and why should I vote for any party, where I do not believe in their policies, just because it is a vote? Again under the British Constitution one is allowed not to vote and still have a voice due to the fact that voting for a party you do not believe in is actually undemocratic!!! Actually if you look at the best political bloggers and reviewers they are the ones who are not biased, or tied to a party, as they can give a full and independent point of view of each party and basically a full and clear picture of which each party stands for and whether the policies are workable or not!!! Being tied to party makes one biased in ALL viewpoints as you have to toe the party-line whether you believe in a policy or not!!!![/p][/quote]Go away Troll the game is up.... big mouth no bolloxs....[/p][/quote]You are the troll - I have given an explanation of what one is. Here it is, again; Troll = Is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. You are the one who is wanting to destroy the oldest democratic system in the world with your illegal activities!! No game is up, because politics never ends!!! It will only end when it becomes undemocratic, which is what YOU are wanting!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -15

9:45pm Sat 12 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
paulrich wrote:
Why is it that every thread on every article or letter on this site which could produce a sensible debate degenerates in minutes to a slagging match between the two or three trolls who insist on winding each other up with ever more ridiculous assertions. Do us a favour lads - go and find a playground for your third form antics- either that or lets have a duel at dawn.
Who do you vote for Paul ?.
Does it matter who anyone votes for?

That decision is between the person and the ballot box - if they wish to vote or not!

In fact under English and Welsh law it is actually illegal to ask, or badger people into submission into finding out.
If you cant show who you support you stand for nothing because you are waging a one sided fight.... all your all doing it wrong but me, who stands for nothing is great btw.. You are a Troll & Trolls never admit to supporting anyone because it leaves them open to questions.. Trolls dont like that they only like telling everyone else what they are doing wrong..........
Therefore you are saying you want to rip up everything that your fore-fathers, in the working class, fought for?

What for?

Do you believe in democracy or not? If so then you should be upholding the secrecy of the voting slip in the ballot box!

Trolls = Is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

i.e your post at 7:57pm by asking the question!!!

As it is, in the last election I didn't vote (plain simple fact that I wasn't living in the country) and in next years election I will probably spoil my voting slip as NONE of the party's policies are in tune with what I believe, and why should I vote for any party, where I do not believe in their policies, just because it is a vote?

Again under the British Constitution one is allowed not to vote and still have a voice due to the fact that voting for a party you do not believe in is actually undemocratic!!!

Actually if you look at the best political bloggers and reviewers they are the ones who are not biased, or tied to a party, as they can give a full and independent point of view of each party and basically a full and clear picture of which each party stands for and whether the policies are workable or not!!!

Being tied to party makes one biased in ALL viewpoints as you have to toe the party-line whether you believe in a policy or not!!!!
Go away Troll the game is up.... big mouth no bolloxs....
You are the troll - I have given an explanation of what one is.

Here it is, again;

Troll = Is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.


You are the one who is wanting to destroy the oldest democratic system in the world with your illegal activities!!

No game is up, because politics never ends!!! It will only end when it becomes undemocratic, which is what YOU are wanting!!!
You to bugger off and stop trolling people who you disagree with & leads to you insulting people when your beaten.. You really are a pest. Good night im bored with you....
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paulrich[/bold] wrote: Why is it that every thread on every article or letter on this site which could produce a sensible debate degenerates in minutes to a slagging match between the two or three trolls who insist on winding each other up with ever more ridiculous assertions. Do us a favour lads - go and find a playground for your third form antics- either that or lets have a duel at dawn.[/p][/quote]Who do you vote for Paul ?.[/p][/quote]Does it matter who anyone votes for? That decision is between the person and the ballot box - if they wish to vote or not! In fact under English and Welsh law it is actually illegal to ask, or badger people into submission into finding out.[/p][/quote]If you cant show who you support you stand for nothing because you are waging a one sided fight.... all your all doing it wrong but me, who stands for nothing is great btw.. You are a Troll & Trolls never admit to supporting anyone because it leaves them open to questions.. Trolls dont like that they only like telling everyone else what they are doing wrong..........[/p][/quote]Therefore you are saying you want to rip up everything that your fore-fathers, in the working class, fought for? What for? Do you believe in democracy or not? If so then you should be upholding the secrecy of the voting slip in the ballot box! Trolls = Is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. i.e your post at 7:57pm by asking the question!!! As it is, in the last election I didn't vote (plain simple fact that I wasn't living in the country) and in next years election I will probably spoil my voting slip as NONE of the party's policies are in tune with what I believe, and why should I vote for any party, where I do not believe in their policies, just because it is a vote? Again under the British Constitution one is allowed not to vote and still have a voice due to the fact that voting for a party you do not believe in is actually undemocratic!!! Actually if you look at the best political bloggers and reviewers they are the ones who are not biased, or tied to a party, as they can give a full and independent point of view of each party and basically a full and clear picture of which each party stands for and whether the policies are workable or not!!! Being tied to party makes one biased in ALL viewpoints as you have to toe the party-line whether you believe in a policy or not!!!![/p][/quote]Go away Troll the game is up.... big mouth no bolloxs....[/p][/quote]You are the troll - I have given an explanation of what one is. Here it is, again; Troll = Is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. You are the one who is wanting to destroy the oldest democratic system in the world with your illegal activities!! No game is up, because politics never ends!!! It will only end when it becomes undemocratic, which is what YOU are wanting!!![/p][/quote]You to bugger off and stop trolling people who you disagree with & leads to you insulting people when your beaten.. You really are a pest. Good night im bored with you.... thomas222
  • Score: 14

9:57pm Sat 12 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Mr insulting. I haven't insulted anyone. In fact I have stayed very clam and collective, unlike you.

Funnily enough earlier on thisthread you called me a liar, although all I did was use YOUR information back at you!!!

I have not used any insulting remarks on this thread but you called me a Troll, in the last 3 posts of yours for starters....

And then look at your posts of 22:44 Friday evening and then your lasts 3 posts!!!

You are very insulting because you have been caught out!!!#
I troll everybody who disagrees with me- look at all the threads I give an opinion and it is you, George X, Jackael that start upon me and start following me everywhere calling me liar and continually asking for links (even for television programmes!!!!) - only last George X came online didn't post anything about the news report, or a valid well research counter-argument to my viewpoint, and basically gave a veiled threat of physical violence towards me!!

So don't come on here saying that I am the troll when history shows it is YOU and a few others because you do not like certain peoples view points!!! Everytime I post you come on afterwards making degrading remarks about it and not showing any sign of respect in your posts, and yet I have given you and the others as much respect as possible!!!!
Mr insulting. I haven't insulted anyone. In fact I have stayed very clam and collective, unlike you. Funnily enough earlier on thisthread you called me a liar, although all I did was use YOUR information back at you!!! I have not used any insulting remarks on this thread but you called me a Troll, in the last 3 posts of yours for starters.... And then look at your posts of 22:44 Friday evening and then your lasts 3 posts!!! You are very insulting because you have been caught out!!!# I troll everybody who disagrees with me- look at all the threads I give an opinion and it is you, George X, Jackael that start upon me and start following me everywhere calling me liar and continually asking for links (even for television programmes!!!!) - only last George X came online didn't post anything about the news report, or a valid well research counter-argument to my viewpoint, and basically gave a veiled threat of physical violence towards me!! So don't come on here saying that I am the troll when history shows it is YOU and a few others because you do not like certain peoples view points!!! Everytime I post you come on afterwards making degrading remarks about it and not showing any sign of respect in your posts, and yet I have given you and the others as much respect as possible!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -36

10:05pm Sat 12 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Mr insulting. I haven't insulted anyone. In fact I have stayed very clam and collective, unlike you.

Funnily enough earlier on thisthread you called me a liar, although all I did was use YOUR information back at you!!!

I have not used any insulting remarks on this thread but you called me a Troll, in the last 3 posts of yours for starters....

And then look at your posts of 22:44 Friday evening and then your lasts 3 posts!!!

You are very insulting because you have been caught out!!!#
I troll everybody who disagrees with me- look at all the threads I give an opinion and it is you, George X, Jackael that start upon me and start following me everywhere calling me liar and continually asking for links (even for television programmes!!!!) - only last George X came online didn't post anything about the news report, or a valid well research counter-argument to my viewpoint, and basically gave a veiled threat of physical violence towards me!!

So don't come on here saying that I am the troll when history shows it is YOU and a few others because you do not like certain peoples view points!!! Everytime I post you come on afterwards making degrading remarks about it and not showing any sign of respect in your posts, and yet I have given you and the others as much respect as possible!!!!
Yawn! there you go on another mad one. Night.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Mr insulting. I haven't insulted anyone. In fact I have stayed very clam and collective, unlike you. Funnily enough earlier on thisthread you called me a liar, although all I did was use YOUR information back at you!!! I have not used any insulting remarks on this thread but you called me a Troll, in the last 3 posts of yours for starters.... And then look at your posts of 22:44 Friday evening and then your lasts 3 posts!!! You are very insulting because you have been caught out!!!# I troll everybody who disagrees with me- look at all the threads I give an opinion and it is you, George X, Jackael that start upon me and start following me everywhere calling me liar and continually asking for links (even for television programmes!!!!) - only last George X came online didn't post anything about the news report, or a valid well research counter-argument to my viewpoint, and basically gave a veiled threat of physical violence towards me!! So don't come on here saying that I am the troll when history shows it is YOU and a few others because you do not like certain peoples view points!!! Everytime I post you come on afterwards making degrading remarks about it and not showing any sign of respect in your posts, and yet I have given you and the others as much respect as possible!!!![/p][/quote]Yawn! there you go on another mad one. Night. thomas222
  • Score: 35

10:08pm Sat 12 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Mr insulting. I haven't insulted anyone. In fact I have stayed very clam and collective, unlike you.

Funnily enough earlier on thisthread you called me a liar, although all I did was use YOUR information back at you!!!

I have not used any insulting remarks on this thread but you called me a Troll, in the last 3 posts of yours for starters....

And then look at your posts of 22:44 Friday evening and then your lasts 3 posts!!!

You are very insulting because you have been caught out!!!#
I troll everybody who disagrees with me- look at all the threads I give an opinion and it is you, George X, Jackael that start upon me and start following me everywhere calling me liar and continually asking for links (even for television programmes!!!!) - only last George X came online didn't post anything about the news report, or a valid well research counter-argument to my viewpoint, and basically gave a veiled threat of physical violence towards me!!

So don't come on here saying that I am the troll when history shows it is YOU and a few others because you do not like certain peoples view points!!! Everytime I post you come on afterwards making degrading remarks about it and not showing any sign of respect in your posts, and yet I have given you and the others as much respect as possible!!!!
Yawn! there you go on another mad one. Night.
Nope, just pointing out your error, yet again.

Anyway I thought you were going to bed, or was that another lie???

Lets put it this way you disrespected me in more or less every post on this thread and yet you call me for doing it

Is this the UKIP way - "Do as I say and not as I do"?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Mr insulting. I haven't insulted anyone. In fact I have stayed very clam and collective, unlike you. Funnily enough earlier on thisthread you called me a liar, although all I did was use YOUR information back at you!!! I have not used any insulting remarks on this thread but you called me a Troll, in the last 3 posts of yours for starters.... And then look at your posts of 22:44 Friday evening and then your lasts 3 posts!!! You are very insulting because you have been caught out!!!# I troll everybody who disagrees with me- look at all the threads I give an opinion and it is you, George X, Jackael that start upon me and start following me everywhere calling me liar and continually asking for links (even for television programmes!!!!) - only last George X came online didn't post anything about the news report, or a valid well research counter-argument to my viewpoint, and basically gave a veiled threat of physical violence towards me!! So don't come on here saying that I am the troll when history shows it is YOU and a few others because you do not like certain peoples view points!!! Everytime I post you come on afterwards making degrading remarks about it and not showing any sign of respect in your posts, and yet I have given you and the others as much respect as possible!!!![/p][/quote]Yawn! there you go on another mad one. Night.[/p][/quote]Nope, just pointing out your error, yet again. Anyway I thought you were going to bed, or was that another lie??? Lets put it this way you disrespected me in more or less every post on this thread and yet you call me for doing it Is this the UKIP way - "Do as I say and not as I do"? The Righteous One
  • Score: -44

10:22pm Sat 12 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Mr insulting. I haven't insulted anyone. In fact I have stayed very clam and collective, unlike you.

Funnily enough earlier on thisthread you called me a liar, although all I did was use YOUR information back at you!!!

I have not used any insulting remarks on this thread but you called me a Troll, in the last 3 posts of yours for starters....

And then look at your posts of 22:44 Friday evening and then your lasts 3 posts!!!

You are very insulting because you have been caught out!!!#
I troll everybody who disagrees with me- look at all the threads I give an opinion and it is you, George X, Jackael that start upon me and start following me everywhere calling me liar and continually asking for links (even for television programmes!!!!) - only last George X came online didn't post anything about the news report, or a valid well research counter-argument to my viewpoint, and basically gave a veiled threat of physical violence towards me!!

So don't come on here saying that I am the troll when history shows it is YOU and a few others because you do not like certain peoples view points!!! Everytime I post you come on afterwards making degrading remarks about it and not showing any sign of respect in your posts, and yet I have given you and the others as much respect as possible!!!!
Yawn! there you go on another mad one. Night.
Nope, just pointing out your error, yet again.

Anyway I thought you were going to bed, or was that another lie???

Lets put it this way you disrespected me in more or less every post on this thread and yet you call me for doing it

Is this the UKIP way - "Do as I say and not as I do"?
Look at the todays Independent newspaper on line & look for the blog from John Rentoul.. Its title is UKIP at record high libdems at record low.. new poll just out....Read it and welcome to the new order.. ; )
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Mr insulting. I haven't insulted anyone. In fact I have stayed very clam and collective, unlike you. Funnily enough earlier on thisthread you called me a liar, although all I did was use YOUR information back at you!!! I have not used any insulting remarks on this thread but you called me a Troll, in the last 3 posts of yours for starters.... And then look at your posts of 22:44 Friday evening and then your lasts 3 posts!!! You are very insulting because you have been caught out!!!# I troll everybody who disagrees with me- look at all the threads I give an opinion and it is you, George X, Jackael that start upon me and start following me everywhere calling me liar and continually asking for links (even for television programmes!!!!) - only last George X came online didn't post anything about the news report, or a valid well research counter-argument to my viewpoint, and basically gave a veiled threat of physical violence towards me!! So don't come on here saying that I am the troll when history shows it is YOU and a few others because you do not like certain peoples view points!!! Everytime I post you come on afterwards making degrading remarks about it and not showing any sign of respect in your posts, and yet I have given you and the others as much respect as possible!!!![/p][/quote]Yawn! there you go on another mad one. Night.[/p][/quote]Nope, just pointing out your error, yet again. Anyway I thought you were going to bed, or was that another lie??? Lets put it this way you disrespected me in more or less every post on this thread and yet you call me for doing it Is this the UKIP way - "Do as I say and not as I do"?[/p][/quote]Look at the todays Independent newspaper on line & look for the blog from John Rentoul.. Its title is UKIP at record high libdems at record low.. new poll just out....Read it and welcome to the new order.. ; ) thomas222
  • Score: 47

11:14pm Sat 12 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

In last 12 months UKIP members up by 5,081
In last 12 months Labour members up by 7,251
In last 12 months LibDems members up by 3, 228
In last 12 months Greens members up by 3,000 (fastest growing party this year, so far)
In last 12 months Conservatives members down by 1,254
In last 12 months BNP members down by almost 10,000

- again stats taken from the official websites and from what you have stated!!!

Agreed that all the major parties have seen a large loss in members, in fact if you add up thee number of people who no longer support any of the Big 3 it comes to more than 200,000, and lets not forget that BNP have lost 10,000 members whilst The Greens are the fastest growing party - but UKIP membership is only 35,000???

In fact the Conservative party has seen the biggest reduction since 2010 as they have lost over 100,000 members, and is at its lowest membership for over 100 years, but it is still well over 100,000. Then Labours new membership applications are over 25% up more than what UKIP's is!!!


Oh, and by the way the poll you mentioned covers only 2003 people which is only 0.003 of the population - so it really is a cross section isn't it, especially as it is an online poll which anyone can do and it isn't a door to door or face to face poll which are more accurate and would be more accurate if it was at last 1% of the population - more people who are polled the more accurate the result - basic mathematics!!


But I also scrutinised the real poll on the Comres website;
http://www.comres.co
.uk/poll/1155/sunday
-mirror-independent-
on-sunday-political-
poll.htm

Sure UKIP may beat Liberals, in all but one of the 5 (yes FIVE) polls but look out behind UKIP and you will see "Others" that are equalling, or in a couple of cases bettering UKIP!!! But the percentage rate of between 9% and 20% is minimal and can cause no damage to any real Government as that is the average that Liberals used to get with very little seats, and yet Liberals are still getting a good percentage (considering what Clegg did with aligning to The Conseratives) and membership is rising again!!!

Lets not forget that if this was a real General Election UKIP would get about, on average 13% of the vote which is about 28 seats out of 415 and as such can cause no damage whatsoever -even if became a hung Parliament Farage has already claimed he wouldn't align himself with either Labour or The Conservatives and as such would mean either an enforced 2nd General Election which would actually damage Farage's reputation or it would mean Labour or The Conservatves ruling with a minority government relying on confidence and supply support from third parties or independents!!!

Lets not, also, forget that the televised debates are not part of the British Constitution and will only go ahead IF all the leaders from the major parties, who have MP's agree to them, otherwise they will not go ahead! But last time Clegg won the debates by a long way and his personal poll went up by over 30% but come the General Election the LibDems vote only went up by 1% - because people went back to their old voting ways of choosing between Labour and The Conservatives as normal in a two-party system!!!!

What this poll has shown is not a new order, at all, but an on the spot result of a minor poll and yet the figures show, when worked out in realty:-
Labour 701
Conservatives 581
UKIP 400
Liberals 140
Others 180

It would still be a LibDem-Tory coalition with a lead of 20.
But if this was a General Election result Labour would either rule with LibDems with a majority of 260, over The Conservatives (or a majority of 80 if The Conservatives teamed up with all of the independents!) or create a minority Government and rely on the 180 "Others" Or LibDems would continue their coalition with The Tories and create a majority of 20in which Labour would have to rely on "Others" to beat the Coalition! - As I say Farage has already ruled himself out of creating a coalition with either Labour or The Conservatives!!!
In last 12 months UKIP members up by 5,081 In last 12 months Labour members up by 7,251 In last 12 months LibDems members up by 3, 228 In last 12 months Greens members up by 3,000 (fastest growing party this year, so far) In last 12 months Conservatives members down by 1,254 In last 12 months BNP members down by almost 10,000 - again stats taken from the official websites and from what you have stated!!! Agreed that all the major parties have seen a large loss in members, in fact if you add up thee number of people who no longer support any of the Big 3 it comes to more than 200,000, and lets not forget that BNP have lost 10,000 members whilst The Greens are the fastest growing party - but UKIP membership is only 35,000??? In fact the Conservative party has seen the biggest reduction since 2010 as they have lost over 100,000 members, and is at its lowest membership for over 100 years, but it is still well over 100,000. Then Labours new membership applications are over 25% up more than what UKIP's is!!! Oh, and by the way the poll you mentioned covers only 2003 people which is only 0.003 of the population - so it really is a cross section isn't it, especially as it is an online poll which anyone can do and it isn't a door to door or face to face poll which are more accurate and would be more accurate if it was at last 1% of the population - more people who are polled the more accurate the result - basic mathematics!! But I also scrutinised the real poll on the Comres website; http://www.comres.co .uk/poll/1155/sunday -mirror-independent- on-sunday-political- poll.htm Sure UKIP may beat Liberals, in all but one of the 5 (yes FIVE) polls but look out behind UKIP and you will see "Others" that are equalling, or in a couple of cases bettering UKIP!!! But the percentage rate of between 9% and 20% is minimal and can cause no damage to any real Government as that is the average that Liberals used to get with very little seats, and yet Liberals are still getting a good percentage (considering what Clegg did with aligning to The Conseratives) and membership is rising again!!! Lets not forget that if this was a real General Election UKIP would get about, on average 13% of the vote which is about 28 seats out of 415 and as such can cause no damage whatsoever -even if became a hung Parliament Farage has already claimed he wouldn't align himself with either Labour or The Conservatives and as such would mean either an enforced 2nd General Election which would actually damage Farage's reputation or it would mean Labour or The Conservatves ruling with a minority government relying on confidence and supply support from third parties or independents!!! Lets not, also, forget that the televised debates are not part of the British Constitution and will only go ahead IF all the leaders from the major parties, who have MP's agree to them, otherwise they will not go ahead! But last time Clegg won the debates by a long way and his personal poll went up by over 30% but come the General Election the LibDems vote only went up by 1% - because people went back to their old voting ways of choosing between Labour and The Conservatives as normal in a two-party system!!!! What this poll has shown is not a new order, at all, but an on the spot result of a minor poll and yet the figures show, when worked out in realty:- Labour 701 Conservatives 581 UKIP 400 Liberals 140 Others 180 It would still be a LibDem-Tory coalition with a lead of 20. But if this was a General Election result Labour would either rule with LibDems with a majority of 260, over The Conservatives (or a majority of 80 if The Conservatives teamed up with all of the independents!) or create a minority Government and rely on the 180 "Others" Or LibDems would continue their coalition with The Tories and create a majority of 20in which Labour would have to rely on "Others" to beat the Coalition! - As I say Farage has already ruled himself out of creating a coalition with either Labour or The Conservatives!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -44

11:18pm Sat 12 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

PS it only comes out as 2002 for those who polled after working out the percentages to actual rounded up figures, therefore it is safe to assume that 1 person aid they wouldn't vote!
PS it only comes out as 2002 for those who polled after working out the percentages to actual rounded up figures, therefore it is safe to assume that 1 person aid they wouldn't vote! The Righteous One
  • Score: -50

8:32am Sun 13 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
In last 12 months UKIP members up by 5,081
In last 12 months Labour members up by 7,251
In last 12 months LibDems members up by 3, 228
In last 12 months Greens members up by 3,000 (fastest growing party this year, so far)
In last 12 months Conservatives members down by 1,254
In last 12 months BNP members down by almost 10,000

- again stats taken from the official websites and from what you have stated!!!

Agreed that all the major parties have seen a large loss in members, in fact if you add up thee number of people who no longer support any of the Big 3 it comes to more than 200,000, and lets not forget that BNP have lost 10,000 members whilst The Greens are the fastest growing party - but UKIP membership is only 35,000???

In fact the Conservative party has seen the biggest reduction since 2010 as they have lost over 100,000 members, and is at its lowest membership for over 100 years, but it is still well over 100,000. Then Labours new membership applications are over 25% up more than what UKIP's is!!!


Oh, and by the way the poll you mentioned covers only 2003 people which is only 0.003 of the population - so it really is a cross section isn't it, especially as it is an online poll which anyone can do and it isn't a door to door or face to face poll which are more accurate and would be more accurate if it was at last 1% of the population - more people who are polled the more accurate the result - basic mathematics!!


But I also scrutinised the real poll on the Comres website;
http://www.comres.co

.uk/poll/1155/sunday

-mirror-independent-

on-sunday-political-

poll.htm

Sure UKIP may beat Liberals, in all but one of the 5 (yes FIVE) polls but look out behind UKIP and you will see "Others" that are equalling, or in a couple of cases bettering UKIP!!! But the percentage rate of between 9% and 20% is minimal and can cause no damage to any real Government as that is the average that Liberals used to get with very little seats, and yet Liberals are still getting a good percentage (considering what Clegg did with aligning to The Conseratives) and membership is rising again!!!

Lets not forget that if this was a real General Election UKIP would get about, on average 13% of the vote which is about 28 seats out of 415 and as such can cause no damage whatsoever -even if became a hung Parliament Farage has already claimed he wouldn't align himself with either Labour or The Conservatives and as such would mean either an enforced 2nd General Election which would actually damage Farage's reputation or it would mean Labour or The Conservatves ruling with a minority government relying on confidence and supply support from third parties or independents!!!

Lets not, also, forget that the televised debates are not part of the British Constitution and will only go ahead IF all the leaders from the major parties, who have MP's agree to them, otherwise they will not go ahead! But last time Clegg won the debates by a long way and his personal poll went up by over 30% but come the General Election the LibDems vote only went up by 1% - because people went back to their old voting ways of choosing between Labour and The Conservatives as normal in a two-party system!!!!

What this poll has shown is not a new order, at all, but an on the spot result of a minor poll and yet the figures show, when worked out in realty:-
Labour 701
Conservatives 581
UKIP 400
Liberals 140
Others 180

It would still be a LibDem-Tory coalition with a lead of 20.
But if this was a General Election result Labour would either rule with LibDems with a majority of 260, over The Conservatives (or a majority of 80 if The Conservatives teamed up with all of the independents!) or create a minority Government and rely on the 180 "Others" Or LibDems would continue their coalition with The Tories and create a majority of 20in which Labour would have to rely on "Others" to beat the Coalition! - As I say Farage has already ruled himself out of creating a coalition with either Labour or The Conservatives!!!
Here is another poll. This time by the Daily Mirror yesterday & by a Labour supporting paper.... Question they asked was..... who do you want as the Prime Minister after the next general election.

Cameron a very poor 7 %
Clegg a very worrying 1%
Milliband a very very worrying 17%
Farage a very nice 50%........ And the Campaign planned to hit all this country has not started yet... There will be mail to every home in the country & also bill boards with a great canvass set up getting in gear.....
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: In last 12 months UKIP members up by 5,081 In last 12 months Labour members up by 7,251 In last 12 months LibDems members up by 3, 228 In last 12 months Greens members up by 3,000 (fastest growing party this year, so far) In last 12 months Conservatives members down by 1,254 In last 12 months BNP members down by almost 10,000 - again stats taken from the official websites and from what you have stated!!! Agreed that all the major parties have seen a large loss in members, in fact if you add up thee number of people who no longer support any of the Big 3 it comes to more than 200,000, and lets not forget that BNP have lost 10,000 members whilst The Greens are the fastest growing party - but UKIP membership is only 35,000??? In fact the Conservative party has seen the biggest reduction since 2010 as they have lost over 100,000 members, and is at its lowest membership for over 100 years, but it is still well over 100,000. Then Labours new membership applications are over 25% up more than what UKIP's is!!! Oh, and by the way the poll you mentioned covers only 2003 people which is only 0.003 of the population - so it really is a cross section isn't it, especially as it is an online poll which anyone can do and it isn't a door to door or face to face poll which are more accurate and would be more accurate if it was at last 1% of the population - more people who are polled the more accurate the result - basic mathematics!! But I also scrutinised the real poll on the Comres website; http://www.comres.co .uk/poll/1155/sunday -mirror-independent- on-sunday-political- poll.htm Sure UKIP may beat Liberals, in all but one of the 5 (yes FIVE) polls but look out behind UKIP and you will see "Others" that are equalling, or in a couple of cases bettering UKIP!!! But the percentage rate of between 9% and 20% is minimal and can cause no damage to any real Government as that is the average that Liberals used to get with very little seats, and yet Liberals are still getting a good percentage (considering what Clegg did with aligning to The Conseratives) and membership is rising again!!! Lets not forget that if this was a real General Election UKIP would get about, on average 13% of the vote which is about 28 seats out of 415 and as such can cause no damage whatsoever -even if became a hung Parliament Farage has already claimed he wouldn't align himself with either Labour or The Conservatives and as such would mean either an enforced 2nd General Election which would actually damage Farage's reputation or it would mean Labour or The Conservatves ruling with a minority government relying on confidence and supply support from third parties or independents!!! Lets not, also, forget that the televised debates are not part of the British Constitution and will only go ahead IF all the leaders from the major parties, who have MP's agree to them, otherwise they will not go ahead! But last time Clegg won the debates by a long way and his personal poll went up by over 30% but come the General Election the LibDems vote only went up by 1% - because people went back to their old voting ways of choosing between Labour and The Conservatives as normal in a two-party system!!!! What this poll has shown is not a new order, at all, but an on the spot result of a minor poll and yet the figures show, when worked out in realty:- Labour 701 Conservatives 581 UKIP 400 Liberals 140 Others 180 It would still be a LibDem-Tory coalition with a lead of 20. But if this was a General Election result Labour would either rule with LibDems with a majority of 260, over The Conservatives (or a majority of 80 if The Conservatives teamed up with all of the independents!) or create a minority Government and rely on the 180 "Others" Or LibDems would continue their coalition with The Tories and create a majority of 20in which Labour would have to rely on "Others" to beat the Coalition! - As I say Farage has already ruled himself out of creating a coalition with either Labour or The Conservatives!!![/p][/quote]Here is another poll. This time by the Daily Mirror yesterday & by a Labour supporting paper.... Question they asked was..... who do you want as the Prime Minister after the next general election. Cameron a very poor 7 % Clegg a very worrying 1% Milliband a very very worrying 17% Farage a very nice 50%........ And the Campaign planned to hit all this country has not started yet... There will be mail to every home in the country & also bill boards with a great canvass set up getting in gear..... thomas222
  • Score: 1

10:35am Sun 13 Apr 14

DC Ferret says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote: Mr insulting. I haven't insulted anyone. In fact I have stayed very clam and collective, unlike you. Funnily enough earlier on thisthread you called me a liar, although all I did was use YOUR information back at you!!! I have not used any insulting remarks on this thread but you called me a Troll, in the last 3 posts of yours for starters.... And then look at your posts of 22:44 Friday evening and then your lasts 3 posts!!! You are very insulting because you have been caught out!!!# I troll everybody who disagrees with me- look at all the threads I give an opinion and it is you, George X, Jackael that start upon me and start following me everywhere calling me liar and continually asking for links (even for television programmes!!!!) - only last George X came online didn't post anything about the news report, or a valid well research counter-argument to my viewpoint, and basically gave a veiled threat of physical violence towards me!! So don't come on here saying that I am the troll when history shows it is YOU and a few others because you do not like certain peoples view points!!! Everytime I post you come on afterwards making degrading remarks about it and not showing any sign of respect in your posts, and yet I have given you and the others as much respect as possible!!!!
Yawn! there you go on another mad one. Night.
People shouldn't respond to people who post responses like this, it belittles the argument, and how can anyone take someone serious when they use phrases like "yawn", "facepalm", "whatever", "duh" etc ad nauseum
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Mr insulting. I haven't insulted anyone. In fact I have stayed very clam and collective, unlike you. Funnily enough earlier on thisthread you called me a liar, although all I did was use YOUR information back at you!!! I have not used any insulting remarks on this thread but you called me a Troll, in the last 3 posts of yours for starters.... And then look at your posts of 22:44 Friday evening and then your lasts 3 posts!!! You are very insulting because you have been caught out!!!# I troll everybody who disagrees with me- look at all the threads I give an opinion and it is you, George X, Jackael that start upon me and start following me everywhere calling me liar and continually asking for links (even for television programmes!!!!) - only last George X came online didn't post anything about the news report, or a valid well research counter-argument to my viewpoint, and basically gave a veiled threat of physical violence towards me!! So don't come on here saying that I am the troll when history shows it is YOU and a few others because you do not like certain peoples view points!!! Everytime I post you come on afterwards making degrading remarks about it and not showing any sign of respect in your posts, and yet I have given you and the others as much respect as possible!!!![/p][/quote]Yawn! there you go on another mad one. Night.[/p][/quote]People shouldn't respond to people who post responses like this, it belittles the argument, and how can anyone take someone serious when they use phrases like "yawn", "facepalm", "whatever", "duh" etc ad nauseum DC Ferret
  • Score: -1

10:41am Sun 13 Apr 14

DC Ferret says...

Let's demand the Bolton News withdraw this 'comments' section and conbsequently strike a blow against the far Right, bigots, imbeciles, narcissists, and pedestrian minded; ask yourself: what does this comments section actually achieve?
Let's demand the Bolton News withdraw this 'comments' section and conbsequently strike a blow against the far Right, bigots, imbeciles, narcissists, and pedestrian minded; ask yourself: what does this comments section actually achieve? DC Ferret
  • Score: 2

10:50am Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
In last 12 months UKIP members up by 5,081
In last 12 months Labour members up by 7,251
In last 12 months LibDems members up by 3, 228
In last 12 months Greens members up by 3,000 (fastest growing party this year, so far)
In last 12 months Conservatives members down by 1,254
In last 12 months BNP members down by almost 10,000

- again stats taken from the official websites and from what you have stated!!!

Agreed that all the major parties have seen a large loss in members, in fact if you add up thee number of people who no longer support any of the Big 3 it comes to more than 200,000, and lets not forget that BNP have lost 10,000 members whilst The Greens are the fastest growing party - but UKIP membership is only 35,000???

In fact the Conservative party has seen the biggest reduction since 2010 as they have lost over 100,000 members, and is at its lowest membership for over 100 years, but it is still well over 100,000. Then Labours new membership applications are over 25% up more than what UKIP's is!!!


Oh, and by the way the poll you mentioned covers only 2003 people which is only 0.003 of the population - so it really is a cross section isn't it, especially as it is an online poll which anyone can do and it isn't a door to door or face to face poll which are more accurate and would be more accurate if it was at last 1% of the population - more people who are polled the more accurate the result - basic mathematics!!


But I also scrutinised the real poll on the Comres website;
http://www.comres.co


.uk/poll/1155/sunday


-mirror-independent-


on-sunday-political-


poll.htm

Sure UKIP may beat Liberals, in all but one of the 5 (yes FIVE) polls but look out behind UKIP and you will see "Others" that are equalling, or in a couple of cases bettering UKIP!!! But the percentage rate of between 9% and 20% is minimal and can cause no damage to any real Government as that is the average that Liberals used to get with very little seats, and yet Liberals are still getting a good percentage (considering what Clegg did with aligning to The Conseratives) and membership is rising again!!!

Lets not forget that if this was a real General Election UKIP would get about, on average 13% of the vote which is about 28 seats out of 415 and as such can cause no damage whatsoever -even if became a hung Parliament Farage has already claimed he wouldn't align himself with either Labour or The Conservatives and as such would mean either an enforced 2nd General Election which would actually damage Farage's reputation or it would mean Labour or The Conservatves ruling with a minority government relying on confidence and supply support from third parties or independents!!!

Lets not, also, forget that the televised debates are not part of the British Constitution and will only go ahead IF all the leaders from the major parties, who have MP's agree to them, otherwise they will not go ahead! But last time Clegg won the debates by a long way and his personal poll went up by over 30% but come the General Election the LibDems vote only went up by 1% - because people went back to their old voting ways of choosing between Labour and The Conservatives as normal in a two-party system!!!!

What this poll has shown is not a new order, at all, but an on the spot result of a minor poll and yet the figures show, when worked out in realty:-
Labour 701
Conservatives 581
UKIP 400
Liberals 140
Others 180

It would still be a LibDem-Tory coalition with a lead of 20.
But if this was a General Election result Labour would either rule with LibDems with a majority of 260, over The Conservatives (or a majority of 80 if The Conservatives teamed up with all of the independents!) or create a minority Government and rely on the 180 "Others" Or LibDems would continue their coalition with The Tories and create a majority of 20in which Labour would have to rely on "Others" to beat the Coalition! - As I say Farage has already ruled himself out of creating a coalition with either Labour or The Conservatives!!!
Here is another poll. This time by the Daily Mirror yesterday & by a Labour supporting paper.... Question they asked was..... who do you want as the Prime Minister after the next general election.

Cameron a very poor 7 %
Clegg a very worrying 1%
Milliband a very very worrying 17%
Farage a very nice 50%........ And the Campaign planned to hit all this country has not started yet... There will be mail to every home in the country & also bill boards with a great canvass set up getting in gear.....
But lets not forget that the General Election is NEVER a popularity contest.

The poll you talk about is actually an unqualified poll as it is an open-ended poll - http://www.mirror.co
.uk/news/uk-news/vid
eo-watch-nigel-farag
e-squirm-3404236 - people can vote as many times as they want and does not show the number of people who have voted and as such is definitely not reliable as a even a snapshot of a small cross-section of the voting populations!

In other words, like the thumbs on this website, all it needs is someone with a macro program and those figures could drastically change within a couple of minutes, with Clegg taking 80% or Cameron taking 80% or even Milliband (od help us) taking 80% of the vote!!!! Perfect example being on another thread where a post of mine went from +17 to -72 in less than 2 minutes when George X. appeared!!!!

But on thing you missed out was that it was part of a story in which Nigel Farage was grilled about his £2million expenses claim, on Have I Got News For You, in which most went to his mistress and his wife for working for him (which actually breaks the EU rules!!!!)

If you look through the ages of time other leaders were considered o be better Prime Ministers than those who could be.

Look at the 20110 elections, Clegg was actually over 60% as many people wanted as the next Prime Minister, due to the televised debates, but in reality when it came to it, people stuck with the parties they continued to support and LibDems only grew by 1%!!!

And then look further back at the 2005 elections- ALL the polls were stating it was going to be a landslide victory for The Conservatives, but what happened - Labour gained an historic 3rd term!!!

Polls can only be a snapshot of the people asked and not relevant of the population at the time. Yes it can be a useful tool, when a large cross section of the population are asked (normally around 15%), but one has to be careful in relying on them as they have been proved to be wrong on many occasions!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: In last 12 months UKIP members up by 5,081 In last 12 months Labour members up by 7,251 In last 12 months LibDems members up by 3, 228 In last 12 months Greens members up by 3,000 (fastest growing party this year, so far) In last 12 months Conservatives members down by 1,254 In last 12 months BNP members down by almost 10,000 - again stats taken from the official websites and from what you have stated!!! Agreed that all the major parties have seen a large loss in members, in fact if you add up thee number of people who no longer support any of the Big 3 it comes to more than 200,000, and lets not forget that BNP have lost 10,000 members whilst The Greens are the fastest growing party - but UKIP membership is only 35,000??? In fact the Conservative party has seen the biggest reduction since 2010 as they have lost over 100,000 members, and is at its lowest membership for over 100 years, but it is still well over 100,000. Then Labours new membership applications are over 25% up more than what UKIP's is!!! Oh, and by the way the poll you mentioned covers only 2003 people which is only 0.003 of the population - so it really is a cross section isn't it, especially as it is an online poll which anyone can do and it isn't a door to door or face to face poll which are more accurate and would be more accurate if it was at last 1% of the population - more people who are polled the more accurate the result - basic mathematics!! But I also scrutinised the real poll on the Comres website; http://www.comres.co .uk/poll/1155/sunday -mirror-independent- on-sunday-political- poll.htm Sure UKIP may beat Liberals, in all but one of the 5 (yes FIVE) polls but look out behind UKIP and you will see "Others" that are equalling, or in a couple of cases bettering UKIP!!! But the percentage rate of between 9% and 20% is minimal and can cause no damage to any real Government as that is the average that Liberals used to get with very little seats, and yet Liberals are still getting a good percentage (considering what Clegg did with aligning to The Conseratives) and membership is rising again!!! Lets not forget that if this was a real General Election UKIP would get about, on average 13% of the vote which is about 28 seats out of 415 and as such can cause no damage whatsoever -even if became a hung Parliament Farage has already claimed he wouldn't align himself with either Labour or The Conservatives and as such would mean either an enforced 2nd General Election which would actually damage Farage's reputation or it would mean Labour or The Conservatves ruling with a minority government relying on confidence and supply support from third parties or independents!!! Lets not, also, forget that the televised debates are not part of the British Constitution and will only go ahead IF all the leaders from the major parties, who have MP's agree to them, otherwise they will not go ahead! But last time Clegg won the debates by a long way and his personal poll went up by over 30% but come the General Election the LibDems vote only went up by 1% - because people went back to their old voting ways of choosing between Labour and The Conservatives as normal in a two-party system!!!! What this poll has shown is not a new order, at all, but an on the spot result of a minor poll and yet the figures show, when worked out in realty:- Labour 701 Conservatives 581 UKIP 400 Liberals 140 Others 180 It would still be a LibDem-Tory coalition with a lead of 20. But if this was a General Election result Labour would either rule with LibDems with a majority of 260, over The Conservatives (or a majority of 80 if The Conservatives teamed up with all of the independents!) or create a minority Government and rely on the 180 "Others" Or LibDems would continue their coalition with The Tories and create a majority of 20in which Labour would have to rely on "Others" to beat the Coalition! - As I say Farage has already ruled himself out of creating a coalition with either Labour or The Conservatives!!![/p][/quote]Here is another poll. This time by the Daily Mirror yesterday & by a Labour supporting paper.... Question they asked was..... who do you want as the Prime Minister after the next general election. Cameron a very poor 7 % Clegg a very worrying 1% Milliband a very very worrying 17% Farage a very nice 50%........ And the Campaign planned to hit all this country has not started yet... There will be mail to every home in the country & also bill boards with a great canvass set up getting in gear.....[/p][/quote]But lets not forget that the General Election is NEVER a popularity contest. The poll you talk about is actually an unqualified poll as it is an open-ended poll - http://www.mirror.co .uk/news/uk-news/vid eo-watch-nigel-farag e-squirm-3404236 - people can vote as many times as they want and does not show the number of people who have voted and as such is definitely not reliable as a even a snapshot of a small cross-section of the voting populations! In other words, like the thumbs on this website, all it needs is someone with a macro program and those figures could drastically change within a couple of minutes, with Clegg taking 80% or Cameron taking 80% or even Milliband (od help us) taking 80% of the vote!!!! Perfect example being on another thread where a post of mine went from +17 to -72 in less than 2 minutes when George X. appeared!!!! But on thing you missed out was that it was part of a story in which Nigel Farage was grilled about his £2million expenses claim, on Have I Got News For You, in which most went to his mistress and his wife for working for him (which actually breaks the EU rules!!!!) If you look through the ages of time other leaders were considered o be better Prime Ministers than those who could be. Look at the 20110 elections, Clegg was actually over 60% as many people wanted as the next Prime Minister, due to the televised debates, but in reality when it came to it, people stuck with the parties they continued to support and LibDems only grew by 1%!!! And then look further back at the 2005 elections- ALL the polls were stating it was going to be a landslide victory for The Conservatives, but what happened - Labour gained an historic 3rd term!!! Polls can only be a snapshot of the people asked and not relevant of the population at the time. Yes it can be a useful tool, when a large cross section of the population are asked (normally around 15%), but one has to be careful in relying on them as they have been proved to be wrong on many occasions! The Righteous One
  • Score: -1

10:51am Sun 13 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

DC Ferret wrote:
Let's demand the Bolton News withdraw this 'comments' section and conbsequently strike a blow against the far Right, bigots, imbeciles, narcissists, and pedestrian minded; ask yourself: what does this comments section actually achieve?
Far right bigots just because some people want controlled Immigration is your view is it. Same as Gordon said about the little old lady in Rochdale. She looked really like a right wing narcissists. As usual these are the comments of a left wing tactic of when all else fails call them names. Used to work does not any more the more you call the more ukip get members. No one has the answer to UKIP & its worrying you so much you want this section closed down. Very democratic i must say. Look at the observer poll its great for ukip...
[quote][p][bold]DC Ferret[/bold] wrote: Let's demand the Bolton News withdraw this 'comments' section and conbsequently strike a blow against the far Right, bigots, imbeciles, narcissists, and pedestrian minded; ask yourself: what does this comments section actually achieve?[/p][/quote]Far right bigots just because some people want controlled Immigration is your view is it. Same as Gordon said about the little old lady in Rochdale. She looked really like a right wing narcissists. As usual these are the comments of a left wing tactic of when all else fails call them names. Used to work does not any more the more you call the more ukip get members. No one has the answer to UKIP & its worrying you so much you want this section closed down. Very democratic i must say. Look at the observer poll its great for ukip... thomas222
  • Score: 2

10:55am Sun 13 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
In last 12 months UKIP members up by 5,081
In last 12 months Labour members up by 7,251
In last 12 months LibDems members up by 3, 228
In last 12 months Greens members up by 3,000 (fastest growing party this year, so far)
In last 12 months Conservatives members down by 1,254
In last 12 months BNP members down by almost 10,000

- again stats taken from the official websites and from what you have stated!!!

Agreed that all the major parties have seen a large loss in members, in fact if you add up thee number of people who no longer support any of the Big 3 it comes to more than 200,000, and lets not forget that BNP have lost 10,000 members whilst The Greens are the fastest growing party - but UKIP membership is only 35,000???

In fact the Conservative party has seen the biggest reduction since 2010 as they have lost over 100,000 members, and is at its lowest membership for over 100 years, but it is still well over 100,000. Then Labours new membership applications are over 25% up more than what UKIP's is!!!


Oh, and by the way the poll you mentioned covers only 2003 people which is only 0.003 of the population - so it really is a cross section isn't it, especially as it is an online poll which anyone can do and it isn't a door to door or face to face poll which are more accurate and would be more accurate if it was at last 1% of the population - more people who are polled the more accurate the result - basic mathematics!!


But I also scrutinised the real poll on the Comres website;
http://www.comres.co



.uk/poll/1155/sunday



-mirror-independent-



on-sunday-political-



poll.htm

Sure UKIP may beat Liberals, in all but one of the 5 (yes FIVE) polls but look out behind UKIP and you will see "Others" that are equalling, or in a couple of cases bettering UKIP!!! But the percentage rate of between 9% and 20% is minimal and can cause no damage to any real Government as that is the average that Liberals used to get with very little seats, and yet Liberals are still getting a good percentage (considering what Clegg did with aligning to The Conseratives) and membership is rising again!!!

Lets not forget that if this was a real General Election UKIP would get about, on average 13% of the vote which is about 28 seats out of 415 and as such can cause no damage whatsoever -even if became a hung Parliament Farage has already claimed he wouldn't align himself with either Labour or The Conservatives and as such would mean either an enforced 2nd General Election which would actually damage Farage's reputation or it would mean Labour or The Conservatves ruling with a minority government relying on confidence and supply support from third parties or independents!!!

Lets not, also, forget that the televised debates are not part of the British Constitution and will only go ahead IF all the leaders from the major parties, who have MP's agree to them, otherwise they will not go ahead! But last time Clegg won the debates by a long way and his personal poll went up by over 30% but come the General Election the LibDems vote only went up by 1% - because people went back to their old voting ways of choosing between Labour and The Conservatives as normal in a two-party system!!!!

What this poll has shown is not a new order, at all, but an on the spot result of a minor poll and yet the figures show, when worked out in realty:-
Labour 701
Conservatives 581
UKIP 400
Liberals 140
Others 180

It would still be a LibDem-Tory coalition with a lead of 20.
But if this was a General Election result Labour would either rule with LibDems with a majority of 260, over The Conservatives (or a majority of 80 if The Conservatives teamed up with all of the independents!) or create a minority Government and rely on the 180 "Others" Or LibDems would continue their coalition with The Tories and create a majority of 20in which Labour would have to rely on "Others" to beat the Coalition! - As I say Farage has already ruled himself out of creating a coalition with either Labour or The Conservatives!!!
Here is another poll. This time by the Daily Mirror yesterday & by a Labour supporting paper.... Question they asked was..... who do you want as the Prime Minister after the next general election.

Cameron a very poor 7 %
Clegg a very worrying 1%
Milliband a very very worrying 17%
Farage a very nice 50%........ And the Campaign planned to hit all this country has not started yet... There will be mail to every home in the country & also bill boards with a great canvass set up getting in gear.....
But lets not forget that the General Election is NEVER a popularity contest.

The poll you talk about is actually an unqualified poll as it is an open-ended poll - http://www.mirror.co

.uk/news/uk-news/vid

eo-watch-nigel-farag

e-squirm-3404236 - people can vote as many times as they want and does not show the number of people who have voted and as such is definitely not reliable as a even a snapshot of a small cross-section of the voting populations!

In other words, like the thumbs on this website, all it needs is someone with a macro program and those figures could drastically change within a couple of minutes, with Clegg taking 80% or Cameron taking 80% or even Milliband (od help us) taking 80% of the vote!!!! Perfect example being on another thread where a post of mine went from +17 to -72 in less than 2 minutes when George X. appeared!!!!

But on thing you missed out was that it was part of a story in which Nigel Farage was grilled about his £2million expenses claim, on Have I Got News For You, in which most went to his mistress and his wife for working for him (which actually breaks the EU rules!!!!)

If you look through the ages of time other leaders were considered o be better Prime Ministers than those who could be.

Look at the 20110 elections, Clegg was actually over 60% as many people wanted as the next Prime Minister, due to the televised debates, but in reality when it came to it, people stuck with the parties they continued to support and LibDems only grew by 1%!!!

And then look further back at the 2005 elections- ALL the polls were stating it was going to be a landslide victory for The Conservatives, but what happened - Labour gained an historic 3rd term!!!

Polls can only be a snapshot of the people asked and not relevant of the population at the time. Yes it can be a useful tool, when a large cross section of the population are asked (normally around 15%), but one has to be careful in relying on them as they have been proved to be wrong on many occasions!
The one in the Observer is very good also..... strange how polls prove nothing but did when they suited you some time back. Your case is looking very weak.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: In last 12 months UKIP members up by 5,081 In last 12 months Labour members up by 7,251 In last 12 months LibDems members up by 3, 228 In last 12 months Greens members up by 3,000 (fastest growing party this year, so far) In last 12 months Conservatives members down by 1,254 In last 12 months BNP members down by almost 10,000 - again stats taken from the official websites and from what you have stated!!! Agreed that all the major parties have seen a large loss in members, in fact if you add up thee number of people who no longer support any of the Big 3 it comes to more than 200,000, and lets not forget that BNP have lost 10,000 members whilst The Greens are the fastest growing party - but UKIP membership is only 35,000??? In fact the Conservative party has seen the biggest reduction since 2010 as they have lost over 100,000 members, and is at its lowest membership for over 100 years, but it is still well over 100,000. Then Labours new membership applications are over 25% up more than what UKIP's is!!! Oh, and by the way the poll you mentioned covers only 2003 people which is only 0.003 of the population - so it really is a cross section isn't it, especially as it is an online poll which anyone can do and it isn't a door to door or face to face poll which are more accurate and would be more accurate if it was at last 1% of the population - more people who are polled the more accurate the result - basic mathematics!! But I also scrutinised the real poll on the Comres website; http://www.comres.co .uk/poll/1155/sunday -mirror-independent- on-sunday-political- poll.htm Sure UKIP may beat Liberals, in all but one of the 5 (yes FIVE) polls but look out behind UKIP and you will see "Others" that are equalling, or in a couple of cases bettering UKIP!!! But the percentage rate of between 9% and 20% is minimal and can cause no damage to any real Government as that is the average that Liberals used to get with very little seats, and yet Liberals are still getting a good percentage (considering what Clegg did with aligning to The Conseratives) and membership is rising again!!! Lets not forget that if this was a real General Election UKIP would get about, on average 13% of the vote which is about 28 seats out of 415 and as such can cause no damage whatsoever -even if became a hung Parliament Farage has already claimed he wouldn't align himself with either Labour or The Conservatives and as such would mean either an enforced 2nd General Election which would actually damage Farage's reputation or it would mean Labour or The Conservatves ruling with a minority government relying on confidence and supply support from third parties or independents!!! Lets not, also, forget that the televised debates are not part of the British Constitution and will only go ahead IF all the leaders from the major parties, who have MP's agree to them, otherwise they will not go ahead! But last time Clegg won the debates by a long way and his personal poll went up by over 30% but come the General Election the LibDems vote only went up by 1% - because people went back to their old voting ways of choosing between Labour and The Conservatives as normal in a two-party system!!!! What this poll has shown is not a new order, at all, but an on the spot result of a minor poll and yet the figures show, when worked out in realty:- Labour 701 Conservatives 581 UKIP 400 Liberals 140 Others 180 It would still be a LibDem-Tory coalition with a lead of 20. But if this was a General Election result Labour would either rule with LibDems with a majority of 260, over The Conservatives (or a majority of 80 if The Conservatives teamed up with all of the independents!) or create a minority Government and rely on the 180 "Others" Or LibDems would continue their coalition with The Tories and create a majority of 20in which Labour would have to rely on "Others" to beat the Coalition! - As I say Farage has already ruled himself out of creating a coalition with either Labour or The Conservatives!!![/p][/quote]Here is another poll. This time by the Daily Mirror yesterday & by a Labour supporting paper.... Question they asked was..... who do you want as the Prime Minister after the next general election. Cameron a very poor 7 % Clegg a very worrying 1% Milliband a very very worrying 17% Farage a very nice 50%........ And the Campaign planned to hit all this country has not started yet... There will be mail to every home in the country & also bill boards with a great canvass set up getting in gear.....[/p][/quote]But lets not forget that the General Election is NEVER a popularity contest. The poll you talk about is actually an unqualified poll as it is an open-ended poll - http://www.mirror.co .uk/news/uk-news/vid eo-watch-nigel-farag e-squirm-3404236 - people can vote as many times as they want and does not show the number of people who have voted and as such is definitely not reliable as a even a snapshot of a small cross-section of the voting populations! In other words, like the thumbs on this website, all it needs is someone with a macro program and those figures could drastically change within a couple of minutes, with Clegg taking 80% or Cameron taking 80% or even Milliband (od help us) taking 80% of the vote!!!! Perfect example being on another thread where a post of mine went from +17 to -72 in less than 2 minutes when George X. appeared!!!! But on thing you missed out was that it was part of a story in which Nigel Farage was grilled about his £2million expenses claim, on Have I Got News For You, in which most went to his mistress and his wife for working for him (which actually breaks the EU rules!!!!) If you look through the ages of time other leaders were considered o be better Prime Ministers than those who could be. Look at the 20110 elections, Clegg was actually over 60% as many people wanted as the next Prime Minister, due to the televised debates, but in reality when it came to it, people stuck with the parties they continued to support and LibDems only grew by 1%!!! And then look further back at the 2005 elections- ALL the polls were stating it was going to be a landslide victory for The Conservatives, but what happened - Labour gained an historic 3rd term!!! Polls can only be a snapshot of the people asked and not relevant of the population at the time. Yes it can be a useful tool, when a large cross section of the population are asked (normally around 15%), but one has to be careful in relying on them as they have been proved to be wrong on many occasions![/p][/quote]The one in the Observer is very good also..... strange how polls prove nothing but did when they suited you some time back. Your case is looking very weak. thomas222
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11:04am Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes.

All following stats were taken from:
http://www.comres.co
.uk/poll/1155/sunday
-mirror-independent-
on-sunday-political-
poll.htm
Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month.

During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals.

In January: (poll asked to 2029 people)
Labour 35% 710 votes
The Conservatives 30% 609 votes
Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes
UKIP 19% 386 votes
Others 8% 162 votes

In February: (poll asked to 2031 people)
Labour 37% 751 votes
The Conservatives 32% 650 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes
UKIP 15% 305 votes
Others 7% 142 votes

In March: (poll asked to 2001 people)
Labour 35% 700 votes
The Conservatives 32% 60 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes
UKIP 16% 320 votes
Others 8% 160 votes

Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were:

Labour -10
The Conservatives +32
Liberal Democrats +18
UKIP -65
Others -2

Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes!

That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!!

As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election!
But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes. All following stats were taken from: http://www.comres.co .uk/poll/1155/sunday -mirror-independent- on-sunday-political- poll.htm Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month. During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals. In January: (poll asked to 2029 people) Labour 35% 710 votes The Conservatives 30% 609 votes Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes UKIP 19% 386 votes Others 8% 162 votes In February: (poll asked to 2031 people) Labour 37% 751 votes The Conservatives 32% 650 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes UKIP 15% 305 votes Others 7% 142 votes In March: (poll asked to 2001 people) Labour 35% 700 votes The Conservatives 32% 60 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes UKIP 16% 320 votes Others 8% 160 votes Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were: Labour -10 The Conservatives +32 Liberal Democrats +18 UKIP -65 Others -2 Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes! That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!! As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election! The Righteous One
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11:19am Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
In last 12 months UKIP members up by 5,081
In last 12 months Labour members up by 7,251
In last 12 months LibDems members up by 3, 228
In last 12 months Greens members up by 3,000 (fastest growing party this year, so far)
In last 12 months Conservatives members down by 1,254
In last 12 months BNP members down by almost 10,000

- again stats taken from the official websites and from what you have stated!!!

Agreed that all the major parties have seen a large loss in members, in fact if you add up thee number of people who no longer support any of the Big 3 it comes to more than 200,000, and lets not forget that BNP have lost 10,000 members whilst The Greens are the fastest growing party - but UKIP membership is only 35,000???

In fact the Conservative party has seen the biggest reduction since 2010 as they have lost over 100,000 members, and is at its lowest membership for over 100 years, but it is still well over 100,000. Then Labours new membership applications are over 25% up more than what UKIP's is!!!


Oh, and by the way the poll you mentioned covers only 2003 people which is only 0.003 of the population - so it really is a cross section isn't it, especially as it is an online poll which anyone can do and it isn't a door to door or face to face poll which are more accurate and would be more accurate if it was at last 1% of the population - more people who are polled the more accurate the result - basic mathematics!!


But I also scrutinised the real poll on the Comres website;
http://www.comres.co




.uk/poll/1155/sunday




-mirror-independent-




on-sunday-political-




poll.htm

Sure UKIP may beat Liberals, in all but one of the 5 (yes FIVE) polls but look out behind UKIP and you will see "Others" that are equalling, or in a couple of cases bettering UKIP!!! But the percentage rate of between 9% and 20% is minimal and can cause no damage to any real Government as that is the average that Liberals used to get with very little seats, and yet Liberals are still getting a good percentage (considering what Clegg did with aligning to The Conseratives) and membership is rising again!!!

Lets not forget that if this was a real General Election UKIP would get about, on average 13% of the vote which is about 28 seats out of 415 and as such can cause no damage whatsoever -even if became a hung Parliament Farage has already claimed he wouldn't align himself with either Labour or The Conservatives and as such would mean either an enforced 2nd General Election which would actually damage Farage's reputation or it would mean Labour or The Conservatves ruling with a minority government relying on confidence and supply support from third parties or independents!!!

Lets not, also, forget that the televised debates are not part of the British Constitution and will only go ahead IF all the leaders from the major parties, who have MP's agree to them, otherwise they will not go ahead! But last time Clegg won the debates by a long way and his personal poll went up by over 30% but come the General Election the LibDems vote only went up by 1% - because people went back to their old voting ways of choosing between Labour and The Conservatives as normal in a two-party system!!!!

What this poll has shown is not a new order, at all, but an on the spot result of a minor poll and yet the figures show, when worked out in realty:-
Labour 701
Conservatives 581
UKIP 400
Liberals 140
Others 180

It would still be a LibDem-Tory coalition with a lead of 20.
But if this was a General Election result Labour would either rule with LibDems with a majority of 260, over The Conservatives (or a majority of 80 if The Conservatives teamed up with all of the independents!) or create a minority Government and rely on the 180 "Others" Or LibDems would continue their coalition with The Tories and create a majority of 20in which Labour would have to rely on "Others" to beat the Coalition! - As I say Farage has already ruled himself out of creating a coalition with either Labour or The Conservatives!!!
Here is another poll. This time by the Daily Mirror yesterday & by a Labour supporting paper.... Question they asked was..... who do you want as the Prime Minister after the next general election.

Cameron a very poor 7 %
Clegg a very worrying 1%
Milliband a very very worrying 17%
Farage a very nice 50%........ And the Campaign planned to hit all this country has not started yet... There will be mail to every home in the country & also bill boards with a great canvass set up getting in gear.....
But lets not forget that the General Election is NEVER a popularity contest.

The poll you talk about is actually an unqualified poll as it is an open-ended poll - http://www.mirror.co


.uk/news/uk-news/vid


eo-watch-nigel-farag


e-squirm-3404236 - people can vote as many times as they want and does not show the number of people who have voted and as such is definitely not reliable as a even a snapshot of a small cross-section of the voting populations!

In other words, like the thumbs on this website, all it needs is someone with a macro program and those figures could drastically change within a couple of minutes, with Clegg taking 80% or Cameron taking 80% or even Milliband (od help us) taking 80% of the vote!!!! Perfect example being on another thread where a post of mine went from +17 to -72 in less than 2 minutes when George X. appeared!!!!

But on thing you missed out was that it was part of a story in which Nigel Farage was grilled about his £2million expenses claim, on Have I Got News For You, in which most went to his mistress and his wife for working for him (which actually breaks the EU rules!!!!)

If you look through the ages of time other leaders were considered o be better Prime Ministers than those who could be.

Look at the 20110 elections, Clegg was actually over 60% as many people wanted as the next Prime Minister, due to the televised debates, but in reality when it came to it, people stuck with the parties they continued to support and LibDems only grew by 1%!!!

And then look further back at the 2005 elections- ALL the polls were stating it was going to be a landslide victory for The Conservatives, but what happened - Labour gained an historic 3rd term!!!

Polls can only be a snapshot of the people asked and not relevant of the population at the time. Yes it can be a useful tool, when a large cross section of the population are asked (normally around 15%), but one has to be careful in relying on them as they have been proved to be wrong on many occasions!
The one in the Observer is very good also..... strange how polls prove nothing but did when they suited you some time back. Your case is looking very weak.
When did I ever say I relied on Polls?

You really ought to read my posts thoroughly instead of just skim-reading, then, and only then, you will realise that hat you just said is wrong!!!

In fact it is you that has used polls to suggest that UKIP are flying high in every discussion we have had!

So far out of 2 polls I have managed to show what UKIP are seeing a blip from the recent EU debates and Tory scandal, considering these polls were only taken days after the events, so it is no shock!

Even in this Observer poll they give the valid reason as to why UKIP jumped 3 points, and I quote, " Ukip appears to have reaped the benefits from Nigel Farage's win over Nick Clegg in the recent public debates on Europe". But people will soon forget the debates.

And again if you look at that report it basically says that Milliband is the person most do not want (at -20%) to be Prime Minister BUT the Labour rating is 6% higher than The Conservatives - a bit contradictory isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: In last 12 months UKIP members up by 5,081 In last 12 months Labour members up by 7,251 In last 12 months LibDems members up by 3, 228 In last 12 months Greens members up by 3,000 (fastest growing party this year, so far) In last 12 months Conservatives members down by 1,254 In last 12 months BNP members down by almost 10,000 - again stats taken from the official websites and from what you have stated!!! Agreed that all the major parties have seen a large loss in members, in fact if you add up thee number of people who no longer support any of the Big 3 it comes to more than 200,000, and lets not forget that BNP have lost 10,000 members whilst The Greens are the fastest growing party - but UKIP membership is only 35,000??? In fact the Conservative party has seen the biggest reduction since 2010 as they have lost over 100,000 members, and is at its lowest membership for over 100 years, but it is still well over 100,000. Then Labours new membership applications are over 25% up more than what UKIP's is!!! Oh, and by the way the poll you mentioned covers only 2003 people which is only 0.003 of the population - so it really is a cross section isn't it, especially as it is an online poll which anyone can do and it isn't a door to door or face to face poll which are more accurate and would be more accurate if it was at last 1% of the population - more people who are polled the more accurate the result - basic mathematics!! But I also scrutinised the real poll on the Comres website; http://www.comres.co .uk/poll/1155/sunday -mirror-independent- on-sunday-political- poll.htm Sure UKIP may beat Liberals, in all but one of the 5 (yes FIVE) polls but look out behind UKIP and you will see "Others" that are equalling, or in a couple of cases bettering UKIP!!! But the percentage rate of between 9% and 20% is minimal and can cause no damage to any real Government as that is the average that Liberals used to get with very little seats, and yet Liberals are still getting a good percentage (considering what Clegg did with aligning to The Conseratives) and membership is rising again!!! Lets not forget that if this was a real General Election UKIP would get about, on average 13% of the vote which is about 28 seats out of 415 and as such can cause no damage whatsoever -even if became a hung Parliament Farage has already claimed he wouldn't align himself with either Labour or The Conservatives and as such would mean either an enforced 2nd General Election which would actually damage Farage's reputation or it would mean Labour or The Conservatves ruling with a minority government relying on confidence and supply support from third parties or independents!!! Lets not, also, forget that the televised debates are not part of the British Constitution and will only go ahead IF all the leaders from the major parties, who have MP's agree to them, otherwise they will not go ahead! But last time Clegg won the debates by a long way and his personal poll went up by over 30% but come the General Election the LibDems vote only went up by 1% - because people went back to their old voting ways of choosing between Labour and The Conservatives as normal in a two-party system!!!! What this poll has shown is not a new order, at all, but an on the spot result of a minor poll and yet the figures show, when worked out in realty:- Labour 701 Conservatives 581 UKIP 400 Liberals 140 Others 180 It would still be a LibDem-Tory coalition with a lead of 20. But if this was a General Election result Labour would either rule with LibDems with a majority of 260, over The Conservatives (or a majority of 80 if The Conservatives teamed up with all of the independents!) or create a minority Government and rely on the 180 "Others" Or LibDems would continue their coalition with The Tories and create a majority of 20in which Labour would have to rely on "Others" to beat the Coalition! - As I say Farage has already ruled himself out of creating a coalition with either Labour or The Conservatives!!![/p][/quote]Here is another poll. This time by the Daily Mirror yesterday & by a Labour supporting paper.... Question they asked was..... who do you want as the Prime Minister after the next general election. Cameron a very poor 7 % Clegg a very worrying 1% Milliband a very very worrying 17% Farage a very nice 50%........ And the Campaign planned to hit all this country has not started yet... There will be mail to every home in the country & also bill boards with a great canvass set up getting in gear.....[/p][/quote]But lets not forget that the General Election is NEVER a popularity contest. The poll you talk about is actually an unqualified poll as it is an open-ended poll - http://www.mirror.co .uk/news/uk-news/vid eo-watch-nigel-farag e-squirm-3404236 - people can vote as many times as they want and does not show the number of people who have voted and as such is definitely not reliable as a even a snapshot of a small cross-section of the voting populations! In other words, like the thumbs on this website, all it needs is someone with a macro program and those figures could drastically change within a couple of minutes, with Clegg taking 80% or Cameron taking 80% or even Milliband (od help us) taking 80% of the vote!!!! Perfect example being on another thread where a post of mine went from +17 to -72 in less than 2 minutes when George X. appeared!!!! But on thing you missed out was that it was part of a story in which Nigel Farage was grilled about his £2million expenses claim, on Have I Got News For You, in which most went to his mistress and his wife for working for him (which actually breaks the EU rules!!!!) If you look through the ages of time other leaders were considered o be better Prime Ministers than those who could be. Look at the 20110 elections, Clegg was actually over 60% as many people wanted as the next Prime Minister, due to the televised debates, but in reality when it came to it, people stuck with the parties they continued to support and LibDems only grew by 1%!!! And then look further back at the 2005 elections- ALL the polls were stating it was going to be a landslide victory for The Conservatives, but what happened - Labour gained an historic 3rd term!!! Polls can only be a snapshot of the people asked and not relevant of the population at the time. Yes it can be a useful tool, when a large cross section of the population are asked (normally around 15%), but one has to be careful in relying on them as they have been proved to be wrong on many occasions![/p][/quote]The one in the Observer is very good also..... strange how polls prove nothing but did when they suited you some time back. Your case is looking very weak.[/p][/quote]When did I ever say I relied on Polls? You really ought to read my posts thoroughly instead of just skim-reading, then, and only then, you will realise that hat you just said is wrong!!! In fact it is you that has used polls to suggest that UKIP are flying high in every discussion we have had! So far out of 2 polls I have managed to show what UKIP are seeing a blip from the recent EU debates and Tory scandal, considering these polls were only taken days after the events, so it is no shock! Even in this Observer poll they give the valid reason as to why UKIP jumped 3 points, and I quote, " Ukip appears to have reaped the benefits from Nigel Farage's win over Nick Clegg in the recent public debates on Europe". But people will soon forget the debates. And again if you look at that report it basically says that Milliband is the person most do not want (at -20%) to be Prime Minister BUT the Labour rating is 6% higher than The Conservatives - a bit contradictory isn't it? The Righteous One
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11:20am Sun 13 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes.

All following stats were taken from:
http://www.comres.co

.uk/poll/1155/sunday

-mirror-independent-

on-sunday-political-

poll.htm
Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month.

During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals.

In January: (poll asked to 2029 people)
Labour 35% 710 votes
The Conservatives 30% 609 votes
Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes
UKIP 19% 386 votes
Others 8% 162 votes

In February: (poll asked to 2031 people)
Labour 37% 751 votes
The Conservatives 32% 650 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes
UKIP 15% 305 votes
Others 7% 142 votes

In March: (poll asked to 2001 people)
Labour 35% 700 votes
The Conservatives 32% 60 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes
UKIP 16% 320 votes
Others 8% 160 votes

Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were:

Labour -10
The Conservatives +32
Liberal Democrats +18
UKIP -65
Others -2

Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes!

That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!!

As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election!
So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes. All following stats were taken from: http://www.comres.co .uk/poll/1155/sunday -mirror-independent- on-sunday-political- poll.htm Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month. During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals. In January: (poll asked to 2029 people) Labour 35% 710 votes The Conservatives 30% 609 votes Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes UKIP 19% 386 votes Others 8% 162 votes In February: (poll asked to 2031 people) Labour 37% 751 votes The Conservatives 32% 650 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes UKIP 15% 305 votes Others 7% 142 votes In March: (poll asked to 2001 people) Labour 35% 700 votes The Conservatives 32% 60 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes UKIP 16% 320 votes Others 8% 160 votes Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were: Labour -10 The Conservatives +32 Liberal Democrats +18 UKIP -65 Others -2 Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes! That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!! As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election![/p][/quote]So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness. thomas222
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11:23am Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

oops forgot to add the Obersever link for those wishing to view the "poll report", which Thomas never provided!

http://www.theguardi
an.com/politics/2014
/apr/12/labour-edges
-ahead-in-latest-obs
erver-opinium-poll


But also spotted in The Observer is a nice report about UKIP House of Lords members NOT speaking up or voting on the Immigration Bill - and yet UKIP's popularity is solely based on that Bill!!!!

As it is UKIP solely policy then why did their HoL members not speak up nor vote on it - which could have meant amendments or a re-working for the Bill - is it because the Lords don't believe in strengthening the Immigration Bill, thus going against the sole policy of their Party?

http://www.theguardi
an.com/theobserver/2
014/apr/13/letters-u
kip-peers-silent-on-
immigration-bill
oops forgot to add the Obersever link for those wishing to view the "poll report", which Thomas never provided! http://www.theguardi an.com/politics/2014 /apr/12/labour-edges -ahead-in-latest-obs erver-opinium-poll But also spotted in The Observer is a nice report about UKIP House of Lords members NOT speaking up or voting on the Immigration Bill - and yet UKIP's popularity is solely based on that Bill!!!! As it is UKIP solely policy then why did their HoL members not speak up nor vote on it - which could have meant amendments or a re-working for the Bill - is it because the Lords don't believe in strengthening the Immigration Bill, thus going against the sole policy of their Party? http://www.theguardi an.com/theobserver/2 014/apr/13/letters-u kip-peers-silent-on- immigration-bill The Righteous One
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11:26am Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes.

All following stats were taken from:
http://www.comres.co


.uk/poll/1155/sunday


-mirror-independent-


on-sunday-political-


poll.htm
Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month.

During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals.

In January: (poll asked to 2029 people)
Labour 35% 710 votes
The Conservatives 30% 609 votes
Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes
UKIP 19% 386 votes
Others 8% 162 votes

In February: (poll asked to 2031 people)
Labour 37% 751 votes
The Conservatives 32% 650 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes
UKIP 15% 305 votes
Others 7% 142 votes

In March: (poll asked to 2001 people)
Labour 35% 700 votes
The Conservatives 32% 60 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes
UKIP 16% 320 votes
Others 8% 160 votes

Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were:

Labour -10
The Conservatives +32
Liberal Democrats +18
UKIP -65
Others -2

Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes!

That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!!

As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election!
So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.
Did I say they were wrong, or are you putting words into my mouth.

I have shown the polls and the previous months polls of the ones you have stated and they show that UKIP are NOT surging ahead and I have also shown, through direct quotes from these polls as to the reason in the ups and downs of the parties!!!

In fact I have not added any data or reasonings which cannot be found in the polls and the subsequent report of these polls - all I have done is generalised what all the polls and papers are saying!!!


Therefore are you saying that the newspapers are lying?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes. All following stats were taken from: http://www.comres.co .uk/poll/1155/sunday -mirror-independent- on-sunday-political- poll.htm Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month. During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals. In January: (poll asked to 2029 people) Labour 35% 710 votes The Conservatives 30% 609 votes Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes UKIP 19% 386 votes Others 8% 162 votes In February: (poll asked to 2031 people) Labour 37% 751 votes The Conservatives 32% 650 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes UKIP 15% 305 votes Others 7% 142 votes In March: (poll asked to 2001 people) Labour 35% 700 votes The Conservatives 32% 60 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes UKIP 16% 320 votes Others 8% 160 votes Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were: Labour -10 The Conservatives +32 Liberal Democrats +18 UKIP -65 Others -2 Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes! That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!! As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election![/p][/quote]So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.[/p][/quote]Did I say they were wrong, or are you putting words into my mouth. I have shown the polls and the previous months polls of the ones you have stated and they show that UKIP are NOT surging ahead and I have also shown, through direct quotes from these polls as to the reason in the ups and downs of the parties!!! In fact I have not added any data or reasonings which cannot be found in the polls and the subsequent report of these polls - all I have done is generalised what all the polls and papers are saying!!! Therefore are you saying that the newspapers are lying? The Righteous One
  • Score: -14

11:28am Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

And, unlike you, I have provided the links to the appropriate sections of the papers o show the polls and what their reports are saying.

the only one I do dispute is The Daily Mirror's because it works on a same system as the Thumbs Polls on here which can be very easily corrupted, as been seen over the last few months against me!
And, unlike you, I have provided the links to the appropriate sections of the papers o show the polls and what their reports are saying. the only one I do dispute is The Daily Mirror's because it works on a same system as the Thumbs Polls on here which can be very easily corrupted, as been seen over the last few months against me! The Righteous One
  • Score: -75

11:28am Sun 13 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
oops forgot to add the Obersever link for those wishing to view the "poll report", which Thomas never provided!

http://www.theguardi

an.com/politics/2014

/apr/12/labour-edges

-ahead-in-latest-obs

erver-opinium-poll


But also spotted in The Observer is a nice report about UKIP House of Lords members NOT speaking up or voting on the Immigration Bill - and yet UKIP's popularity is solely based on that Bill!!!!

As it is UKIP solely policy then why did their HoL members not speak up nor vote on it - which could have meant amendments or a re-working for the Bill - is it because the Lords don't believe in strengthening the Immigration Bill, thus going against the sole policy of their Party?

http://www.theguardi

an.com/theobserver/2

014/apr/13/letters-u

kip-peers-silent-on-

immigration-bill
We want our own immigration rules not the ones they want thats why. Neither do 70% of this country.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: oops forgot to add the Obersever link for those wishing to view the "poll report", which Thomas never provided! http://www.theguardi an.com/politics/2014 /apr/12/labour-edges -ahead-in-latest-obs erver-opinium-poll But also spotted in The Observer is a nice report about UKIP House of Lords members NOT speaking up or voting on the Immigration Bill - and yet UKIP's popularity is solely based on that Bill!!!! As it is UKIP solely policy then why did their HoL members not speak up nor vote on it - which could have meant amendments or a re-working for the Bill - is it because the Lords don't believe in strengthening the Immigration Bill, thus going against the sole policy of their Party? http://www.theguardi an.com/theobserver/2 014/apr/13/letters-u kip-peers-silent-on- immigration-bill[/p][/quote]We want our own immigration rules not the ones they want thats why. Neither do 70% of this country. thomas222
  • Score: 0

11:29am Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Because unlike you I am not cherry-picking the information to suit your needs and tow the party-line, but I am showing the full picture!!!
Because unlike you I am not cherry-picking the information to suit your needs and tow the party-line, but I am showing the full picture!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -55

11:32am Sun 13 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes.

All following stats were taken from:
http://www.comres.co



.uk/poll/1155/sunday



-mirror-independent-



on-sunday-political-



poll.htm
Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month.

During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals.

In January: (poll asked to 2029 people)
Labour 35% 710 votes
The Conservatives 30% 609 votes
Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes
UKIP 19% 386 votes
Others 8% 162 votes

In February: (poll asked to 2031 people)
Labour 37% 751 votes
The Conservatives 32% 650 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes
UKIP 15% 305 votes
Others 7% 142 votes

In March: (poll asked to 2001 people)
Labour 35% 700 votes
The Conservatives 32% 60 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes
UKIP 16% 320 votes
Others 8% 160 votes

Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were:

Labour -10
The Conservatives +32
Liberal Democrats +18
UKIP -65
Others -2

Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes!

That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!!

As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election!
So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.
Did I say they were wrong, or are you putting words into my mouth.

I have shown the polls and the previous months polls of the ones you have stated and they show that UKIP are NOT surging ahead and I have also shown, through direct quotes from these polls as to the reason in the ups and downs of the parties!!!

In fact I have not added any data or reasonings which cannot be found in the polls and the subsequent report of these polls - all I have done is generalised what all the polls and papers are saying!!!


Therefore are you saying that the newspapers are lying?
Why are all the political progs all talking about UKIP is it because they are falling to bits or is it because they are getting stronger & stronger. One simple reply will do its not a hard question.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes. All following stats were taken from: http://www.comres.co .uk/poll/1155/sunday -mirror-independent- on-sunday-political- poll.htm Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month. During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals. In January: (poll asked to 2029 people) Labour 35% 710 votes The Conservatives 30% 609 votes Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes UKIP 19% 386 votes Others 8% 162 votes In February: (poll asked to 2031 people) Labour 37% 751 votes The Conservatives 32% 650 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes UKIP 15% 305 votes Others 7% 142 votes In March: (poll asked to 2001 people) Labour 35% 700 votes The Conservatives 32% 60 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes UKIP 16% 320 votes Others 8% 160 votes Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were: Labour -10 The Conservatives +32 Liberal Democrats +18 UKIP -65 Others -2 Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes! That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!! As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election![/p][/quote]So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.[/p][/quote]Did I say they were wrong, or are you putting words into my mouth. I have shown the polls and the previous months polls of the ones you have stated and they show that UKIP are NOT surging ahead and I have also shown, through direct quotes from these polls as to the reason in the ups and downs of the parties!!! In fact I have not added any data or reasonings which cannot be found in the polls and the subsequent report of these polls - all I have done is generalised what all the polls and papers are saying!!! Therefore are you saying that the newspapers are lying?[/p][/quote]Why are all the political progs all talking about UKIP is it because they are falling to bits or is it because they are getting stronger & stronger. One simple reply will do its not a hard question. thomas222
  • Score: 1

11:33am Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

As it stand in The Daily Mirror Poll!!

Cameron 6%
Milliband 16%
Clegg 1%
Farage 56%
Someone Else 21%

So in the time you originally posted the "scores on the door" at 8:32 am Farage's poll has gone up 6% - and you honestly do not see that tere is something wrong in that? Even the most level headed person knows that corruption in that vote is taking place and would be impossible to gain 6% in 3 hours in any normal poll!!!
As it stand in The Daily Mirror Poll!! Cameron 6% Milliband 16% Clegg 1% Farage 56% Someone Else 21% So in the time you originally posted the "scores on the door" at 8:32 am Farage's poll has gone up 6% - and you honestly do not see that tere is something wrong in that? Even the most level headed person knows that corruption in that vote is taking place and would be impossible to gain 6% in 3 hours in any normal poll!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -40

11:41am Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes.

All following stats were taken from:
http://www.comres.co


.uk/poll/1155/sunday


-mirror-independent-


on-sunday-political-


poll.htm
Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month.

During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals.

In January: (poll asked to 2029 people)
Labour 35% 710 votes
The Conservatives 30% 609 votes
Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes
UKIP 19% 386 votes
Others 8% 162 votes

In February: (poll asked to 2031 people)
Labour 37% 751 votes
The Conservatives 32% 650 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes
UKIP 15% 305 votes
Others 7% 142 votes

In March: (poll asked to 2001 people)
Labour 35% 700 votes
The Conservatives 32% 60 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes
UKIP 16% 320 votes
Others 8% 160 votes

Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were:

Labour -10
The Conservatives +32
Liberal Democrats +18
UKIP -65
Others -2

Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes!

That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!!

As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election!
So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.
Firsty, you ought to read before you post.

Unions are part and parcel of the Labour Party. If they want to opt out they can.

BUT the individual members in the unions do not make up the Party member numbers!!!!! In fact there are individuals in the unions that support other political parties!!!!

Therefore are you suggesting that out of 187,000 members Labour are to lose 160,000 in one go thus leaving only 27,000 from all the other individuals in the unions that still support the party? You are having a laugh - you really don't know what you are talking about!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes. All following stats were taken from: http://www.comres.co .uk/poll/1155/sunday -mirror-independent- on-sunday-political- poll.htm Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month. During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals. In January: (poll asked to 2029 people) Labour 35% 710 votes The Conservatives 30% 609 votes Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes UKIP 19% 386 votes Others 8% 162 votes In February: (poll asked to 2031 people) Labour 37% 751 votes The Conservatives 32% 650 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes UKIP 15% 305 votes Others 7% 142 votes In March: (poll asked to 2001 people) Labour 35% 700 votes The Conservatives 32% 60 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes UKIP 16% 320 votes Others 8% 160 votes Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were: Labour -10 The Conservatives +32 Liberal Democrats +18 UKIP -65 Others -2 Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes! That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!! As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election![/p][/quote]So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.[/p][/quote]Firsty, you ought to read before you post. Unions are part and parcel of the Labour Party. If they want to opt out they can. BUT the individual members in the unions do not make up the Party member numbers!!!!! In fact there are individuals in the unions that support other political parties!!!! Therefore are you suggesting that out of 187,000 members Labour are to lose 160,000 in one go thus leaving only 27,000 from all the other individuals in the unions that still support the party? You are having a laugh - you really don't know what you are talking about!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -34

11:43am Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

DC Ferret wrote:
Let's demand the Bolton News withdraw this 'comments' section and conbsequently strike a blow against the far Right, bigots, imbeciles, narcissists, and pedestrian minded; ask yourself: what does this comments section actually achieve?
Thomas,

You seem to be very paranoid!!

Do you honestly think that DC Ferret was directing that post directly at you?

For all you now the poster was either directing at me, or neither of us, or just saying in general. But you seem to have taken it personally, like you do with anyone who says anything against UKIP or talk about the right-winged nutters!!!

Why is that?
[quote][p][bold]DC Ferret[/bold] wrote: Let's demand the Bolton News withdraw this 'comments' section and conbsequently strike a blow against the far Right, bigots, imbeciles, narcissists, and pedestrian minded; ask yourself: what does this comments section actually achieve?[/p][/quote]Thomas, You seem to be very paranoid!! Do you honestly think that DC Ferret was directing that post directly at you? For all you now the poster was either directing at me, or neither of us, or just saying in general. But you seem to have taken it personally, like you do with anyone who says anything against UKIP or talk about the right-winged nutters!!! Why is that? The Righteous One
  • Score: -22

11:45am Sun 13 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes.

All following stats were taken from:
http://www.comres.co



.uk/poll/1155/sunday



-mirror-independent-



on-sunday-political-



poll.htm
Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month.

During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals.

In January: (poll asked to 2029 people)
Labour 35% 710 votes
The Conservatives 30% 609 votes
Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes
UKIP 19% 386 votes
Others 8% 162 votes

In February: (poll asked to 2031 people)
Labour 37% 751 votes
The Conservatives 32% 650 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes
UKIP 15% 305 votes
Others 7% 142 votes

In March: (poll asked to 2001 people)
Labour 35% 700 votes
The Conservatives 32% 60 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes
UKIP 16% 320 votes
Others 8% 160 votes

Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were:

Labour -10
The Conservatives +32
Liberal Democrats +18
UKIP -65
Others -2

Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes!

That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!!

As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election!
So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.
Firsty, you ought to read before you post.

Unions are part and parcel of the Labour Party. If they want to opt out they can.

BUT the individual members in the unions do not make up the Party member numbers!!!!! In fact there are individuals in the unions that support other political parties!!!!

Therefore are you suggesting that out of 187,000 members Labour are to lose 160,000 in one go thus leaving only 27,000 from all the other individuals in the unions that still support the party? You are having a laugh - you really don't know what you are talking about!!!
Im talking about the money donated to Labour by union members via their union not labour members.. Its nearly £160.000 per week Labour has lost because of it. My mate is in the union thats how i know & he tells me that many thousands are going to vote ukip because they have been sold out by all the partys.......
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes. All following stats were taken from: http://www.comres.co .uk/poll/1155/sunday -mirror-independent- on-sunday-political- poll.htm Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month. During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals. In January: (poll asked to 2029 people) Labour 35% 710 votes The Conservatives 30% 609 votes Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes UKIP 19% 386 votes Others 8% 162 votes In February: (poll asked to 2031 people) Labour 37% 751 votes The Conservatives 32% 650 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes UKIP 15% 305 votes Others 7% 142 votes In March: (poll asked to 2001 people) Labour 35% 700 votes The Conservatives 32% 60 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes UKIP 16% 320 votes Others 8% 160 votes Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were: Labour -10 The Conservatives +32 Liberal Democrats +18 UKIP -65 Others -2 Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes! That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!! As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election![/p][/quote]So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.[/p][/quote]Firsty, you ought to read before you post. Unions are part and parcel of the Labour Party. If they want to opt out they can. BUT the individual members in the unions do not make up the Party member numbers!!!!! In fact there are individuals in the unions that support other political parties!!!! Therefore are you suggesting that out of 187,000 members Labour are to lose 160,000 in one go thus leaving only 27,000 from all the other individuals in the unions that still support the party? You are having a laugh - you really don't know what you are talking about!!![/p][/quote]Im talking about the money donated to Labour by union members via their union not labour members.. Its nearly £160.000 per week Labour has lost because of it. My mate is in the union thats how i know & he tells me that many thousands are going to vote ukip because they have been sold out by all the partys....... thomas222
  • Score: 0

11:48am Sun 13 Apr 14

Thatissowrong says...

DC Ferret wrote:
Let's demand the Bolton News withdraw this 'comments' section and conbsequently strike a blow against the far Right, bigots, imbeciles, narcissists, and pedestrian minded; ask yourself: what does this comments section actually achieve?
I've only recently registered on here. Was hoping for a broad range of opinions and the chance to join in: what a disappointment. BN needs to prune a couple of contributors at the very least - they're clearly unhinged and disturbingly obsessive.
[quote][p][bold]DC Ferret[/bold] wrote: Let's demand the Bolton News withdraw this 'comments' section and conbsequently strike a blow against the far Right, bigots, imbeciles, narcissists, and pedestrian minded; ask yourself: what does this comments section actually achieve?[/p][/quote]I've only recently registered on here. Was hoping for a broad range of opinions and the chance to join in: what a disappointment. BN needs to prune a couple of contributors at the very least - they're clearly unhinged and disturbingly obsessive. Thatissowrong
  • Score: 1

11:56am Sun 13 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

Thatissowrong wrote:
DC Ferret wrote:
Let's demand the Bolton News withdraw this 'comments' section and conbsequently strike a blow against the far Right, bigots, imbeciles, narcissists, and pedestrian minded; ask yourself: what does this comments section actually achieve?
I've only recently registered on here. Was hoping for a broad range of opinions and the chance to join in: what a disappointment. BN needs to prune a couple of contributors at the very least - they're clearly unhinged and disturbingly obsessive.
If you dont comment you dont join in. Get a grip.
[quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC Ferret[/bold] wrote: Let's demand the Bolton News withdraw this 'comments' section and conbsequently strike a blow against the far Right, bigots, imbeciles, narcissists, and pedestrian minded; ask yourself: what does this comments section actually achieve?[/p][/quote]I've only recently registered on here. Was hoping for a broad range of opinions and the chance to join in: what a disappointment. BN needs to prune a couple of contributors at the very least - they're clearly unhinged and disturbingly obsessive.[/p][/quote]If you dont comment you dont join in. Get a grip. thomas222
  • Score: 16

12:00pm Sun 13 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
DC Ferret wrote:
Let's demand the Bolton News withdraw this 'comments' section and conbsequently strike a blow against the far Right, bigots, imbeciles, narcissists, and pedestrian minded; ask yourself: what does this comments section actually achieve?
Thomas,

You seem to be very paranoid!!

Do you honestly think that DC Ferret was directing that post directly at you?

For all you now the poster was either directing at me, or neither of us, or just saying in general. But you seem to have taken it personally, like you do with anyone who says anything against UKIP or talk about the right-winged nutters!!!

Why is that?
Its a educated guess it was me... its called having some brains to see it or are you a right wing bigot
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC Ferret[/bold] wrote: Let's demand the Bolton News withdraw this 'comments' section and conbsequently strike a blow against the far Right, bigots, imbeciles, narcissists, and pedestrian minded; ask yourself: what does this comments section actually achieve?[/p][/quote]Thomas, You seem to be very paranoid!! Do you honestly think that DC Ferret was directing that post directly at you? For all you now the poster was either directing at me, or neither of us, or just saying in general. But you seem to have taken it personally, like you do with anyone who says anything against UKIP or talk about the right-winged nutters!!! Why is that?[/p][/quote]Its a educated guess it was me... its called having some brains to see it or are you a right wing bigot thomas222
  • Score: -29

12:11pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes.

All following stats were taken from:
http://www.comres.co




.uk/poll/1155/sunday




-mirror-independent-




on-sunday-political-




poll.htm
Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month.

During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals.

In January: (poll asked to 2029 people)
Labour 35% 710 votes
The Conservatives 30% 609 votes
Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes
UKIP 19% 386 votes
Others 8% 162 votes

In February: (poll asked to 2031 people)
Labour 37% 751 votes
The Conservatives 32% 650 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes
UKIP 15% 305 votes
Others 7% 142 votes

In March: (poll asked to 2001 people)
Labour 35% 700 votes
The Conservatives 32% 60 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes
UKIP 16% 320 votes
Others 8% 160 votes

Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were:

Labour -10
The Conservatives +32
Liberal Democrats +18
UKIP -65
Others -2

Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes!

That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!!

As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election!
So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.
Firsty, you ought to read before you post.

Unions are part and parcel of the Labour Party. If they want to opt out they can.

BUT the individual members in the unions do not make up the Party member numbers!!!!! In fact there are individuals in the unions that support other political parties!!!!

Therefore are you suggesting that out of 187,000 members Labour are to lose 160,000 in one go thus leaving only 27,000 from all the other individuals in the unions that still support the party? You are having a laugh - you really don't know what you are talking about!!!
Im talking about the money donated to Labour by union members via their union not labour members.. Its nearly £160.000 per week Labour has lost because of it. My mate is in the union thats how i know & he tells me that many thousands are going to vote ukip because they have been sold out by all the partys.......
Have they or is it just a drop in the ocean for them, considering they rake in millions each year.

Also the union may have opted out, but out of those members who will now join as a proper Party member and as such be paying more than the 93p and as such not only will Labour recoup the loss but actually increase the amount of member funds!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes. All following stats were taken from: http://www.comres.co .uk/poll/1155/sunday -mirror-independent- on-sunday-political- poll.htm Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month. During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals. In January: (poll asked to 2029 people) Labour 35% 710 votes The Conservatives 30% 609 votes Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes UKIP 19% 386 votes Others 8% 162 votes In February: (poll asked to 2031 people) Labour 37% 751 votes The Conservatives 32% 650 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes UKIP 15% 305 votes Others 7% 142 votes In March: (poll asked to 2001 people) Labour 35% 700 votes The Conservatives 32% 60 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes UKIP 16% 320 votes Others 8% 160 votes Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were: Labour -10 The Conservatives +32 Liberal Democrats +18 UKIP -65 Others -2 Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes! That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!! As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election![/p][/quote]So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.[/p][/quote]Firsty, you ought to read before you post. Unions are part and parcel of the Labour Party. If they want to opt out they can. BUT the individual members in the unions do not make up the Party member numbers!!!!! In fact there are individuals in the unions that support other political parties!!!! Therefore are you suggesting that out of 187,000 members Labour are to lose 160,000 in one go thus leaving only 27,000 from all the other individuals in the unions that still support the party? You are having a laugh - you really don't know what you are talking about!!![/p][/quote]Im talking about the money donated to Labour by union members via their union not labour members.. Its nearly £160.000 per week Labour has lost because of it. My mate is in the union thats how i know & he tells me that many thousands are going to vote ukip because they have been sold out by all the partys.......[/p][/quote]Have they or is it just a drop in the ocean for them, considering they rake in millions each year. Also the union may have opted out, but out of those members who will now join as a proper Party member and as such be paying more than the 93p and as such not only will Labour recoup the loss but actually increase the amount of member funds!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -28

12:16pm Sun 13 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes.

All following stats were taken from:
http://www.comres.co





.uk/poll/1155/sunday





-mirror-independent-





on-sunday-political-





poll.htm
Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month.

During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals.

In January: (poll asked to 2029 people)
Labour 35% 710 votes
The Conservatives 30% 609 votes
Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes
UKIP 19% 386 votes
Others 8% 162 votes

In February: (poll asked to 2031 people)
Labour 37% 751 votes
The Conservatives 32% 650 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes
UKIP 15% 305 votes
Others 7% 142 votes

In March: (poll asked to 2001 people)
Labour 35% 700 votes
The Conservatives 32% 60 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes
UKIP 16% 320 votes
Others 8% 160 votes

Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were:

Labour -10
The Conservatives +32
Liberal Democrats +18
UKIP -65
Others -2

Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes!

That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!!

As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election!
So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.
Firsty, you ought to read before you post.

Unions are part and parcel of the Labour Party. If they want to opt out they can.

BUT the individual members in the unions do not make up the Party member numbers!!!!! In fact there are individuals in the unions that support other political parties!!!!

Therefore are you suggesting that out of 187,000 members Labour are to lose 160,000 in one go thus leaving only 27,000 from all the other individuals in the unions that still support the party? You are having a laugh - you really don't know what you are talking about!!!
Im talking about the money donated to Labour by union members via their union not labour members.. Its nearly £160.000 per week Labour has lost because of it. My mate is in the union thats how i know & he tells me that many thousands are going to vote ukip because they have been sold out by all the partys.......
Have they or is it just a drop in the ocean for them, considering they rake in millions each year.

Also the union may have opted out, but out of those members who will now join as a proper Party member and as such be paying more than the 93p and as such not only will Labour recoup the loss but actually increase the amount of member funds!!!
You are in total denial just like Cameron + Labour & the Libdems with a attitude of lets ignore it & it will go away mentality. No it wont they are gunning for them all & they know it behind all the talk.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes. All following stats were taken from: http://www.comres.co .uk/poll/1155/sunday -mirror-independent- on-sunday-political- poll.htm Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month. During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals. In January: (poll asked to 2029 people) Labour 35% 710 votes The Conservatives 30% 609 votes Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes UKIP 19% 386 votes Others 8% 162 votes In February: (poll asked to 2031 people) Labour 37% 751 votes The Conservatives 32% 650 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes UKIP 15% 305 votes Others 7% 142 votes In March: (poll asked to 2001 people) Labour 35% 700 votes The Conservatives 32% 60 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes UKIP 16% 320 votes Others 8% 160 votes Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were: Labour -10 The Conservatives +32 Liberal Democrats +18 UKIP -65 Others -2 Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes! That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!! As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election![/p][/quote]So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.[/p][/quote]Firsty, you ought to read before you post. Unions are part and parcel of the Labour Party. If they want to opt out they can. BUT the individual members in the unions do not make up the Party member numbers!!!!! In fact there are individuals in the unions that support other political parties!!!! Therefore are you suggesting that out of 187,000 members Labour are to lose 160,000 in one go thus leaving only 27,000 from all the other individuals in the unions that still support the party? You are having a laugh - you really don't know what you are talking about!!![/p][/quote]Im talking about the money donated to Labour by union members via their union not labour members.. Its nearly £160.000 per week Labour has lost because of it. My mate is in the union thats how i know & he tells me that many thousands are going to vote ukip because they have been sold out by all the partys.......[/p][/quote]Have they or is it just a drop in the ocean for them, considering they rake in millions each year. Also the union may have opted out, but out of those members who will now join as a proper Party member and as such be paying more than the 93p and as such not only will Labour recoup the loss but actually increase the amount of member funds!!![/p][/quote]You are in total denial just like Cameron + Labour & the Libdems with a attitude of lets ignore it & it will go away mentality. No it wont they are gunning for them all & they know it behind all the talk. thomas222
  • Score: -1

12:46pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes.

All following stats were taken from:
http://www.comres.co






.uk/poll/1155/sunday






-mirror-independent-






on-sunday-political-






poll.htm
Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month.

During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals.

In January: (poll asked to 2029 people)
Labour 35% 710 votes
The Conservatives 30% 609 votes
Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes
UKIP 19% 386 votes
Others 8% 162 votes

In February: (poll asked to 2031 people)
Labour 37% 751 votes
The Conservatives 32% 650 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes
UKIP 15% 305 votes
Others 7% 142 votes

In March: (poll asked to 2001 people)
Labour 35% 700 votes
The Conservatives 32% 60 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes
UKIP 16% 320 votes
Others 8% 160 votes

Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were:

Labour -10
The Conservatives +32
Liberal Democrats +18
UKIP -65
Others -2

Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes!

That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!!

As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election!
So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.
Firsty, you ought to read before you post.

Unions are part and parcel of the Labour Party. If they want to opt out they can.

BUT the individual members in the unions do not make up the Party member numbers!!!!! In fact there are individuals in the unions that support other political parties!!!!

Therefore are you suggesting that out of 187,000 members Labour are to lose 160,000 in one go thus leaving only 27,000 from all the other individuals in the unions that still support the party? You are having a laugh - you really don't know what you are talking about!!!
Im talking about the money donated to Labour by union members via their union not labour members.. Its nearly £160.000 per week Labour has lost because of it. My mate is in the union thats how i know & he tells me that many thousands are going to vote ukip because they have been sold out by all the partys.......
Have they or is it just a drop in the ocean for them, considering they rake in millions each year.

Also the union may have opted out, but out of those members who will now join as a proper Party member and as such be paying more than the 93p and as such not only will Labour recoup the loss but actually increase the amount of member funds!!!
You are in total denial just like Cameron + Labour & the Libdems with a attitude of lets ignore it & it will go away mentality. No it wont they are gunning for them all & they know it behind all the talk.
How am I in total denial?

Firstly you haven't got a clue how Labour works and you assumed that 160,000 people would be leaving because a union no longer contributes to the party and yet you don't seem to realise that some, if not many in that union will carry on contributing!

How is that ignoring it???

You really do have a problem with reality and assume because UKIP gain a good poll because of 3 contributing factors that they will outclass all other parties!

Here are the facts;

UK is a 2-party system - when it comes to a General Election the majority of people will vote either Labour or The Conservatives. Even by your mentioning of the poll, that you did, you will see that between 65 and 70% of the people asked will vote for the Big 2 rather than any other party - although by contradiction the majority don't want either Cameron nor Milliband!!!

UKIP are getting the same percentage of votes that LibDems did in the 2005 election, under Charles Kennedy, and then it died away when people realised that they will never get to power and will, in 2020, fall down to a more true value of about 10%, just like the LibDems are now!!!

Televised debates and the polls straight after mean nothing - this has been proved in 2010 when Clegg won them by over 65% (which is a lot more than what Farage did in the more recent EU debates!) but it did nothing for the Party!

Human nature is such that the majority of people will vote the way they always have and believe in either Labour or The Conservatives more than any other party - whether rightly or wrongly!!!

UKIP has its sole (as n one and only policy) or UK Immigration - but unfortunately that has been stolen by the other parties. Thee only other main issue is that of EU but the majority of people (approx. 51% still want to be part of the EU whilst approx. 33% want out and 16% are undecided - according to many polls that use 15% of the population asked!!!) - plus that has also been stolen by the Tories, therefore UKIP offer nothing that is unique and come the General Election people will realise this and as such you are in for a big disappointment as UKIP will gain less than 10 seats in Westminster and offer nothing to change politics in this country!!!

Now that is reality and not a pipe-dream!!

Fact is every "trump card" you have played in trying to prove that UKIP are flying high have been slashed not only by common sense but even by the evidence you have provided to try to support your claims!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes. All following stats were taken from: http://www.comres.co .uk/poll/1155/sunday -mirror-independent- on-sunday-political- poll.htm Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month. During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals. In January: (poll asked to 2029 people) Labour 35% 710 votes The Conservatives 30% 609 votes Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes UKIP 19% 386 votes Others 8% 162 votes In February: (poll asked to 2031 people) Labour 37% 751 votes The Conservatives 32% 650 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes UKIP 15% 305 votes Others 7% 142 votes In March: (poll asked to 2001 people) Labour 35% 700 votes The Conservatives 32% 60 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes UKIP 16% 320 votes Others 8% 160 votes Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were: Labour -10 The Conservatives +32 Liberal Democrats +18 UKIP -65 Others -2 Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes! That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!! As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election![/p][/quote]So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.[/p][/quote]Firsty, you ought to read before you post. Unions are part and parcel of the Labour Party. If they want to opt out they can. BUT the individual members in the unions do not make up the Party member numbers!!!!! In fact there are individuals in the unions that support other political parties!!!! Therefore are you suggesting that out of 187,000 members Labour are to lose 160,000 in one go thus leaving only 27,000 from all the other individuals in the unions that still support the party? You are having a laugh - you really don't know what you are talking about!!![/p][/quote]Im talking about the money donated to Labour by union members via their union not labour members.. Its nearly £160.000 per week Labour has lost because of it. My mate is in the union thats how i know & he tells me that many thousands are going to vote ukip because they have been sold out by all the partys.......[/p][/quote]Have they or is it just a drop in the ocean for them, considering they rake in millions each year. Also the union may have opted out, but out of those members who will now join as a proper Party member and as such be paying more than the 93p and as such not only will Labour recoup the loss but actually increase the amount of member funds!!![/p][/quote]You are in total denial just like Cameron + Labour & the Libdems with a attitude of lets ignore it & it will go away mentality. No it wont they are gunning for them all & they know it behind all the talk.[/p][/quote]How am I in total denial? Firstly you haven't got a clue how Labour works and you assumed that 160,000 people would be leaving because a union no longer contributes to the party and yet you don't seem to realise that some, if not many in that union will carry on contributing! How is that ignoring it??? You really do have a problem with reality and assume because UKIP gain a good poll because of 3 contributing factors that they will outclass all other parties! Here are the facts; UK is a 2-party system - when it comes to a General Election the majority of people will vote either Labour or The Conservatives. Even by your mentioning of the poll, that you did, you will see that between 65 and 70% of the people asked will vote for the Big 2 rather than any other party - although by contradiction the majority don't want either Cameron nor Milliband!!! UKIP are getting the same percentage of votes that LibDems did in the 2005 election, under Charles Kennedy, and then it died away when people realised that they will never get to power and will, in 2020, fall down to a more true value of about 10%, just like the LibDems are now!!! Televised debates and the polls straight after mean nothing - this has been proved in 2010 when Clegg won them by over 65% (which is a lot more than what Farage did in the more recent EU debates!) but it did nothing for the Party! Human nature is such that the majority of people will vote the way they always have and believe in either Labour or The Conservatives more than any other party - whether rightly or wrongly!!! UKIP has its sole (as n one and only policy) or UK Immigration - but unfortunately that has been stolen by the other parties. Thee only other main issue is that of EU but the majority of people (approx. 51% still want to be part of the EU whilst approx. 33% want out and 16% are undecided - according to many polls that use 15% of the population asked!!!) - plus that has also been stolen by the Tories, therefore UKIP offer nothing that is unique and come the General Election people will realise this and as such you are in for a big disappointment as UKIP will gain less than 10 seats in Westminster and offer nothing to change politics in this country!!! Now that is reality and not a pipe-dream!! Fact is every "trump card" you have played in trying to prove that UKIP are flying high have been slashed not only by common sense but even by the evidence you have provided to try to support your claims!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -12

12:59pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Lets remember you originally said that 160,000 members would stop giving 0.93 of their membership and not latterly when you tried to say it was £160,000/week!!!! If you don't remember then check out your post at 11:220am - but does that equate to £160,00/week or is that a month? - you say its weekly but provide no evidence to back it with to check what you say is correct! (although being a proper member does actually cost less at only 0.85p/week!!!!! - checked with their official website - http://www2.labour.o
rg.uk/membership-rat
es-explained)
Lets remember you originally said that 160,000 members would stop giving 0.93 of their membership and not latterly when you tried to say it was £160,000/week!!!! If you don't remember then check out your post at 11:220am - but does that equate to £160,00/week or is that a month? - you say its weekly but provide no evidence to back it with to check what you say is correct! (although being a proper member does actually cost less at only 0.85p/week!!!!! - checked with their official website - http://www2.labour.o rg.uk/membership-rat es-explained) The Righteous One
  • Score: -15

1:03pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
DC Ferret wrote:
Let's demand the Bolton News withdraw this 'comments' section and conbsequently strike a blow against the far Right, bigots, imbeciles, narcissists, and pedestrian minded; ask yourself: what does this comments section actually achieve?
Thomas,

You seem to be very paranoid!!

Do you honestly think that DC Ferret was directing that post directly at you?

For all you now the poster was either directing at me, or neither of us, or just saying in general. But you seem to have taken it personally, like you do with anyone who says anything against UKIP or talk about the right-winged nutters!!!

Why is that?
Its a educated guess it was me... its called having some brains to see it or are you a right wing bigot
So that means you class yourself as a:
Far Righter
Bigot
Imbecile
Narcissist

and you get upset if any of them terms are supposedly used against you, although it was said in general

If you hadn't had realised the BN forums have closed and the posters are no having to use these comments boxes and in such a small space of time, they see the same old posters (including myself) going on and on and on and all that DC Ferret do was create a generalisation of the common posters on here!!!

Now if you want to take it personally then I assume that you know you have a paranoia problem!!!

And in a weird contradictory way I actually agree with DC Ferret with quite a few posters on here (and yes I know my own faults) and wish there were more control with regards to posts on here!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC Ferret[/bold] wrote: Let's demand the Bolton News withdraw this 'comments' section and conbsequently strike a blow against the far Right, bigots, imbeciles, narcissists, and pedestrian minded; ask yourself: what does this comments section actually achieve?[/p][/quote]Thomas, You seem to be very paranoid!! Do you honestly think that DC Ferret was directing that post directly at you? For all you now the poster was either directing at me, or neither of us, or just saying in general. But you seem to have taken it personally, like you do with anyone who says anything against UKIP or talk about the right-winged nutters!!! Why is that?[/p][/quote]Its a educated guess it was me... its called having some brains to see it or are you a right wing bigot[/p][/quote]So that means you class yourself as a: Far Righter Bigot Imbecile Narcissist and you get upset if any of them terms are supposedly used against you, although it was said in general If you hadn't had realised the BN forums have closed and the posters are no having to use these comments boxes and in such a small space of time, they see the same old posters (including myself) going on and on and on and all that DC Ferret do was create a generalisation of the common posters on here!!! Now if you want to take it personally then I assume that you know you have a paranoia problem!!! And in a weird contradictory way I actually agree with DC Ferret with quite a few posters on here (and yes I know my own faults) and wish there were more control with regards to posts on here! The Righteous One
  • Score: -25

4:39pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes.

All following stats were taken from:
http://www.comres.co




.uk/poll/1155/sunday




-mirror-independent-




on-sunday-political-




poll.htm
Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month.

During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals.

In January: (poll asked to 2029 people)
Labour 35% 710 votes
The Conservatives 30% 609 votes
Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes
UKIP 19% 386 votes
Others 8% 162 votes

In February: (poll asked to 2031 people)
Labour 37% 751 votes
The Conservatives 32% 650 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes
UKIP 15% 305 votes
Others 7% 142 votes

In March: (poll asked to 2001 people)
Labour 35% 700 votes
The Conservatives 32% 60 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes
UKIP 16% 320 votes
Others 8% 160 votes

Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were:

Labour -10
The Conservatives +32
Liberal Democrats +18
UKIP -65
Others -2

Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes!

That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!!

As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election!
So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.
Did I say they were wrong, or are you putting words into my mouth.

I have shown the polls and the previous months polls of the ones you have stated and they show that UKIP are NOT surging ahead and I have also shown, through direct quotes from these polls as to the reason in the ups and downs of the parties!!!

In fact I have not added any data or reasonings which cannot be found in the polls and the subsequent report of these polls - all I have done is generalised what all the polls and papers are saying!!!


Therefore are you saying that the newspapers are lying?
Why are all the political progs all talking about UKIP is it because they are falling to bits or is it because they are getting stronger & stronger. One simple reply will do its not a hard question.
Easy because its leader is a liar, a hypocrite and a crook - as seen on HIGNFY!!!

And they just want the world to know what a hypocrite, and a fool, Farage is!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes. All following stats were taken from: http://www.comres.co .uk/poll/1155/sunday -mirror-independent- on-sunday-political- poll.htm Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month. During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals. In January: (poll asked to 2029 people) Labour 35% 710 votes The Conservatives 30% 609 votes Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes UKIP 19% 386 votes Others 8% 162 votes In February: (poll asked to 2031 people) Labour 37% 751 votes The Conservatives 32% 650 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes UKIP 15% 305 votes Others 7% 142 votes In March: (poll asked to 2001 people) Labour 35% 700 votes The Conservatives 32% 60 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes UKIP 16% 320 votes Others 8% 160 votes Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were: Labour -10 The Conservatives +32 Liberal Democrats +18 UKIP -65 Others -2 Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes! That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!! As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election![/p][/quote]So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.[/p][/quote]Did I say they were wrong, or are you putting words into my mouth. I have shown the polls and the previous months polls of the ones you have stated and they show that UKIP are NOT surging ahead and I have also shown, through direct quotes from these polls as to the reason in the ups and downs of the parties!!! In fact I have not added any data or reasonings which cannot be found in the polls and the subsequent report of these polls - all I have done is generalised what all the polls and papers are saying!!! Therefore are you saying that the newspapers are lying?[/p][/quote]Why are all the political progs all talking about UKIP is it because they are falling to bits or is it because they are getting stronger & stronger. One simple reply will do its not a hard question.[/p][/quote]Easy because its leader is a liar, a hypocrite and a crook - as seen on HIGNFY!!! And they just want the world to know what a hypocrite, and a fool, Farage is! The Righteous One
  • Score: -34

4:44pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Because unlike you I am not cherry-picking the information to suit your needs and tow the party-line, but I am showing the full picture!!!
This rather proves my point from an earlier post - because this post was +7 and is now mysteriously -57 in the space of 3 hours. That is impossible unless someone has corrupted the voting system!

And that is what is happening on the Daily Mirror poll, hence why I will not trust the result of that poll- it is corruptible! - In fact everytime one refreshes that page one can vote again, which is very undemocratic as under true democracy one person has the choice to use their one vote or not!!!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Because unlike you I am not cherry-picking the information to suit your needs and tow the party-line, but I am showing the full picture!!![/p][/quote]This rather proves my point from an earlier post - because this post was +7 and is now mysteriously -57 in the space of 3 hours. That is impossible unless someone has corrupted the voting system! And that is what is happening on the Daily Mirror poll, hence why I will not trust the result of that poll- it is corruptible! - In fact everytime one refreshes that page one can vote again, which is very undemocratic as under true democracy one person has the choice to use their one vote or not!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -22

5:03pm Sun 13 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Because unlike you I am not cherry-picking the information to suit your needs and tow the party-line, but I am showing the full picture!!!
This rather proves my point from an earlier post - because this post was +7 and is now mysteriously -57 in the space of 3 hours. That is impossible unless someone has corrupted the voting system!

And that is what is happening on the Daily Mirror poll, hence why I will not trust the result of that poll- it is corruptible! - In fact everytime one refreshes that page one can vote again, which is very undemocratic as under true democracy one person has the choice to use their one vote or not!!!
Oh dear your mircro rubbish again... why has the BN not stopped it.... its not happening you are a loser in a old world.. Like the three Old Partys.. however its not that bad because you dont vote..... do you want Sharia law perhaps... : )
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Because unlike you I am not cherry-picking the information to suit your needs and tow the party-line, but I am showing the full picture!!![/p][/quote]This rather proves my point from an earlier post - because this post was +7 and is now mysteriously -57 in the space of 3 hours. That is impossible unless someone has corrupted the voting system! And that is what is happening on the Daily Mirror poll, hence why I will not trust the result of that poll- it is corruptible! - In fact everytime one refreshes that page one can vote again, which is very undemocratic as under true democracy one person has the choice to use their one vote or not!!![/p][/quote]Oh dear your mircro rubbish again... why has the BN not stopped it.... its not happening you are a loser in a old world.. Like the three Old Partys.. however its not that bad because you dont vote..... do you want Sharia law perhaps... : ) thomas222
  • Score: 0

5:05pm Sun 13 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Because unlike you I am not cherry-picking the information to suit your needs and tow the party-line, but I am showing the full picture!!!
This rather proves my point from an earlier post - because this post was +7 and is now mysteriously -57 in the space of 3 hours. That is impossible unless someone has corrupted the voting system!

And that is what is happening on the Daily Mirror poll, hence why I will not trust the result of that poll- it is corruptible! - In fact everytime one refreshes that page one can vote again, which is very undemocratic as under true democracy one person has the choice to use their one vote or not!!!
Good God you are finished and look very stupid pal..
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Because unlike you I am not cherry-picking the information to suit your needs and tow the party-line, but I am showing the full picture!!![/p][/quote]This rather proves my point from an earlier post - because this post was +7 and is now mysteriously -57 in the space of 3 hours. That is impossible unless someone has corrupted the voting system! And that is what is happening on the Daily Mirror poll, hence why I will not trust the result of that poll- it is corruptible! - In fact everytime one refreshes that page one can vote again, which is very undemocratic as under true democracy one person has the choice to use their one vote or not!!![/p][/quote]Good God you are finished and look very stupid pal.. thomas222
  • Score: 0

5:08pm Sun 13 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Lets remember you originally said that 160,000 members would stop giving 0.93 of their membership and not latterly when you tried to say it was £160,000/week!!!! If you don't remember then check out your post at 11:220am - but does that equate to £160,00/week or is that a month? - you say its weekly but provide no evidence to back it with to check what you say is correct! (although being a proper member does actually cost less at only 0.85p/week!!!!! - checked with their official website - http://www2.labour.o

rg.uk/membership-rat

es-explained)
You are done mate.. your days are coming to a end... You need to move to the Netherlands its safer.... for now.. ; )
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Lets remember you originally said that 160,000 members would stop giving 0.93 of their membership and not latterly when you tried to say it was £160,000/week!!!! If you don't remember then check out your post at 11:220am - but does that equate to £160,00/week or is that a month? - you say its weekly but provide no evidence to back it with to check what you say is correct! (although being a proper member does actually cost less at only 0.85p/week!!!!! - checked with their official website - http://www2.labour.o rg.uk/membership-rat es-explained)[/p][/quote]You are done mate.. your days are coming to a end... You need to move to the Netherlands its safer.... for now.. ; ) thomas222
  • Score: 0

5:11pm Sun 13 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes.

All following stats were taken from:
http://www.comres.co





.uk/poll/1155/sunday





-mirror-independent-





on-sunday-political-





poll.htm
Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month.

During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals.

In January: (poll asked to 2029 people)
Labour 35% 710 votes
The Conservatives 30% 609 votes
Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes
UKIP 19% 386 votes
Others 8% 162 votes

In February: (poll asked to 2031 people)
Labour 37% 751 votes
The Conservatives 32% 650 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes
UKIP 15% 305 votes
Others 7% 142 votes

In March: (poll asked to 2001 people)
Labour 35% 700 votes
The Conservatives 32% 60 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes
UKIP 16% 320 votes
Others 8% 160 votes

Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were:

Labour -10
The Conservatives +32
Liberal Democrats +18
UKIP -65
Others -2

Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes!

That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!!

As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election!
So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.
Did I say they were wrong, or are you putting words into my mouth.

I have shown the polls and the previous months polls of the ones you have stated and they show that UKIP are NOT surging ahead and I have also shown, through direct quotes from these polls as to the reason in the ups and downs of the parties!!!

In fact I have not added any data or reasonings which cannot be found in the polls and the subsequent report of these polls - all I have done is generalised what all the polls and papers are saying!!!


Therefore are you saying that the newspapers are lying?
Why are all the political progs all talking about UKIP is it because they are falling to bits or is it because they are getting stronger & stronger. One simple reply will do its not a hard question.
Easy because its leader is a liar, a hypocrite and a crook - as seen on HIGNFY!!!

And they just want the world to know what a hypocrite, and a fool, Farage is!
Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change...
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes. All following stats were taken from: http://www.comres.co .uk/poll/1155/sunday -mirror-independent- on-sunday-political- poll.htm Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month. During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals. In January: (poll asked to 2029 people) Labour 35% 710 votes The Conservatives 30% 609 votes Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes UKIP 19% 386 votes Others 8% 162 votes In February: (poll asked to 2031 people) Labour 37% 751 votes The Conservatives 32% 650 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes UKIP 15% 305 votes Others 7% 142 votes In March: (poll asked to 2001 people) Labour 35% 700 votes The Conservatives 32% 60 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes UKIP 16% 320 votes Others 8% 160 votes Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were: Labour -10 The Conservatives +32 Liberal Democrats +18 UKIP -65 Others -2 Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes! That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!! As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election![/p][/quote]So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.[/p][/quote]Did I say they were wrong, or are you putting words into my mouth. I have shown the polls and the previous months polls of the ones you have stated and they show that UKIP are NOT surging ahead and I have also shown, through direct quotes from these polls as to the reason in the ups and downs of the parties!!! In fact I have not added any data or reasonings which cannot be found in the polls and the subsequent report of these polls - all I have done is generalised what all the polls and papers are saying!!! Therefore are you saying that the newspapers are lying?[/p][/quote]Why are all the political progs all talking about UKIP is it because they are falling to bits or is it because they are getting stronger & stronger. One simple reply will do its not a hard question.[/p][/quote]Easy because its leader is a liar, a hypocrite and a crook - as seen on HIGNFY!!! And they just want the world to know what a hypocrite, and a fool, Farage is![/p][/quote]Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change... thomas222
  • Score: 0

5:15pm Sun 13 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes.

All following stats were taken from:
http://www.comres.co





.uk/poll/1155/sunday





-mirror-independent-





on-sunday-political-





poll.htm
Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month.

During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals.

In January: (poll asked to 2029 people)
Labour 35% 710 votes
The Conservatives 30% 609 votes
Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes
UKIP 19% 386 votes
Others 8% 162 votes

In February: (poll asked to 2031 people)
Labour 37% 751 votes
The Conservatives 32% 650 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes
UKIP 15% 305 votes
Others 7% 142 votes

In March: (poll asked to 2001 people)
Labour 35% 700 votes
The Conservatives 32% 60 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes
UKIP 16% 320 votes
Others 8% 160 votes

Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were:

Labour -10
The Conservatives +32
Liberal Democrats +18
UKIP -65
Others -2

Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes!

That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!!

As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election!
So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.
Did I say they were wrong, or are you putting words into my mouth.

I have shown the polls and the previous months polls of the ones you have stated and they show that UKIP are NOT surging ahead and I have also shown, through direct quotes from these polls as to the reason in the ups and downs of the parties!!!

In fact I have not added any data or reasonings which cannot be found in the polls and the subsequent report of these polls - all I have done is generalised what all the polls and papers are saying!!!


Therefore are you saying that the newspapers are lying?
Why are all the political progs all talking about UKIP is it because they are falling to bits or is it because they are getting stronger & stronger. One simple reply will do its not a hard question.
Easy because its leader is a liar, a hypocrite and a crook - as seen on HIGNFY!!!

And they just want the world to know what a hypocrite, and a fool, Farage is!
Perhaps you could mention all the others have bummed us all on a industrial scale including the Muslim people they have to live with this & many are turning to UKIP because Labour are finished... You are on a loser.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes. All following stats were taken from: http://www.comres.co .uk/poll/1155/sunday -mirror-independent- on-sunday-political- poll.htm Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month. During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals. In January: (poll asked to 2029 people) Labour 35% 710 votes The Conservatives 30% 609 votes Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes UKIP 19% 386 votes Others 8% 162 votes In February: (poll asked to 2031 people) Labour 37% 751 votes The Conservatives 32% 650 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes UKIP 15% 305 votes Others 7% 142 votes In March: (poll asked to 2001 people) Labour 35% 700 votes The Conservatives 32% 60 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes UKIP 16% 320 votes Others 8% 160 votes Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were: Labour -10 The Conservatives +32 Liberal Democrats +18 UKIP -65 Others -2 Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes! That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!! As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election![/p][/quote]So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.[/p][/quote]Did I say they were wrong, or are you putting words into my mouth. I have shown the polls and the previous months polls of the ones you have stated and they show that UKIP are NOT surging ahead and I have also shown, through direct quotes from these polls as to the reason in the ups and downs of the parties!!! In fact I have not added any data or reasonings which cannot be found in the polls and the subsequent report of these polls - all I have done is generalised what all the polls and papers are saying!!! Therefore are you saying that the newspapers are lying?[/p][/quote]Why are all the political progs all talking about UKIP is it because they are falling to bits or is it because they are getting stronger & stronger. One simple reply will do its not a hard question.[/p][/quote]Easy because its leader is a liar, a hypocrite and a crook - as seen on HIGNFY!!! And they just want the world to know what a hypocrite, and a fool, Farage is![/p][/quote]Perhaps you could mention all the others have bummed us all on a industrial scale including the Muslim people they have to live with this & many are turning to UKIP because Labour are finished... You are on a loser. thomas222
  • Score: 0

5:17pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Because unlike you I am not cherry-picking the information to suit your needs and tow the party-line, but I am showing the full picture!!!
This rather proves my point from an earlier post - because this post was +7 and is now mysteriously -57 in the space of 3 hours. That is impossible unless someone has corrupted the voting system!

And that is what is happening on the Daily Mirror poll, hence why I will not trust the result of that poll- it is corruptible! - In fact everytime one refreshes that page one can vote again, which is very undemocratic as under true democracy one person has the choice to use their one vote or not!!!
Oh dear your mircro rubbish again... why has the BN not stopped it.... its not happening you are a loser in a old world.. Like the three Old Partys.. however its not that bad because you dont vote..... do you want Sharia law perhaps... : )
Is it rubbish?

As I say look at the facts.....

1. ALL my posts up to 44:39pm have gone from +thumbs to -thumbs with a minimum of -15!!!!
2. All that has been done within a 3 hour period
3. Done a news report which dates back to Friday morning and as such is NOT near the top of the news report nor high on the agenda on anyone reading the online paper.
4. The average number of thumbs being used on any one post during the same period is between 4 and 6 either negative or positive!

Thus the voting has been corrupted by technology and the simplest form of technology to bee used on this system is a macro program!!

Due to the system being used on ALL newsquest websites both here in the UK as well as Canada and United States, it cannot be turned off!!!

As for Sharia law - funny that, isn't it, I do not agree therefore you automatically assume I am a Muslim!!!!!! Firstly that is a completely racist comment, not against me, but every single Muslim in this country!!!! Secondly as a non-practising Roman Catholic I am also a minority and take your assumption as an insult!!! Lets not forget it is illegal to be a Roman Catholic in this great country of ours, unlike Muslims which is not an illegal religion!!!!!

Once again you talk about the 3 parties being "old world"

Funny that isn't it considering that about 75% of the population still vote for the "old world" parties unlike UKIP who an only muster 20% which will drop next month once the EU debate has died down and the Expenses scandal and also died down.

I see you have not said anything about Farage claiming expenses for his wife and mistress - why is that? Do you support his action in claiming false expenses? Do you support him in employing his wife and mistress although its against the rules? Do you not think he should resign as an MEP because of his expenses, which was actually more than DOUBLE what Maria Miller claimed?

Or is it a case that it is Farage and you will do as he says and not as he does?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Because unlike you I am not cherry-picking the information to suit your needs and tow the party-line, but I am showing the full picture!!![/p][/quote]This rather proves my point from an earlier post - because this post was +7 and is now mysteriously -57 in the space of 3 hours. That is impossible unless someone has corrupted the voting system! And that is what is happening on the Daily Mirror poll, hence why I will not trust the result of that poll- it is corruptible! - In fact everytime one refreshes that page one can vote again, which is very undemocratic as under true democracy one person has the choice to use their one vote or not!!![/p][/quote]Oh dear your mircro rubbish again... why has the BN not stopped it.... its not happening you are a loser in a old world.. Like the three Old Partys.. however its not that bad because you dont vote..... do you want Sharia law perhaps... : )[/p][/quote]Is it rubbish? As I say look at the facts..... 1. ALL my posts up to 44:39pm have gone from +thumbs to -thumbs with a minimum of -15!!!! 2. All that has been done within a 3 hour period 3. Done a news report which dates back to Friday morning and as such is NOT near the top of the news report nor high on the agenda on anyone reading the online paper. 4. The average number of thumbs being used on any one post during the same period is between 4 and 6 either negative or positive! Thus the voting has been corrupted by technology and the simplest form of technology to bee used on this system is a macro program!! Due to the system being used on ALL newsquest websites both here in the UK as well as Canada and United States, it cannot be turned off!!! As for Sharia law - funny that, isn't it, I do not agree therefore you automatically assume I am a Muslim!!!!!! Firstly that is a completely racist comment, not against me, but every single Muslim in this country!!!! Secondly as a non-practising Roman Catholic I am also a minority and take your assumption as an insult!!! Lets not forget it is illegal to be a Roman Catholic in this great country of ours, unlike Muslims which is not an illegal religion!!!!! Once again you talk about the 3 parties being "old world" Funny that isn't it considering that about 75% of the population still vote for the "old world" parties unlike UKIP who an only muster 20% which will drop next month once the EU debate has died down and the Expenses scandal and also died down. I see you have not said anything about Farage claiming expenses for his wife and mistress - why is that? Do you support his action in claiming false expenses? Do you support him in employing his wife and mistress although its against the rules? Do you not think he should resign as an MEP because of his expenses, which was actually more than DOUBLE what Maria Miller claimed? Or is it a case that it is Farage and you will do as he says and not as he does? The Righteous One
  • Score: -17

5:21pm Sun 13 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The partys over its time to call over its time to call it a day your red baloon has burst... Not before time they have done their own & the own know it... You are in denial Pal.
The partys over its time to call over its time to call it a day your red baloon has burst... Not before time they have done their own & the own know it... You are in denial Pal. thomas222
  • Score: 0

5:21pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes.

All following stats were taken from:
http://www.comres.co






.uk/poll/1155/sunday






-mirror-independent-






on-sunday-political-






poll.htm
Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month.

During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals.

In January: (poll asked to 2029 people)
Labour 35% 710 votes
The Conservatives 30% 609 votes
Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes
UKIP 19% 386 votes
Others 8% 162 votes

In February: (poll asked to 2031 people)
Labour 37% 751 votes
The Conservatives 32% 650 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes
UKIP 15% 305 votes
Others 7% 142 votes

In March: (poll asked to 2001 people)
Labour 35% 700 votes
The Conservatives 32% 60 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes
UKIP 16% 320 votes
Others 8% 160 votes

Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were:

Labour -10
The Conservatives +32
Liberal Democrats +18
UKIP -65
Others -2

Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes!

That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!!

As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election!
So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.
Did I say they were wrong, or are you putting words into my mouth.

I have shown the polls and the previous months polls of the ones you have stated and they show that UKIP are NOT surging ahead and I have also shown, through direct quotes from these polls as to the reason in the ups and downs of the parties!!!

In fact I have not added any data or reasonings which cannot be found in the polls and the subsequent report of these polls - all I have done is generalised what all the polls and papers are saying!!!


Therefore are you saying that the newspapers are lying?
Why are all the political progs all talking about UKIP is it because they are falling to bits or is it because they are getting stronger & stronger. One simple reply will do its not a hard question.
Easy because its leader is a liar, a hypocrite and a crook - as seen on HIGNFY!!!

And they just want the world to know what a hypocrite, and a fool, Farage is!
Perhaps you could mention all the others have bummed us all on a industrial scale including the Muslim people they have to live with this & many are turning to UKIP because Labour are finished... You are on a loser.
Why are you now focusing on the Muslim community?

Are you afraid of them?

Are you a closet racist?

Funnily enough, Farage had to admit that some of his members are racists, on HIGNFY, on Friday evening. So do we really want a racist party running the British Government? Muslims now, who next, Jews? Roman Catholics? Chinese?


You have gone steeply down in my estimation, now that you are attacking other races just to claim that UKIP is good. You have seriously lost this debate with this form of racial abuse!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes. All following stats were taken from: http://www.comres.co .uk/poll/1155/sunday -mirror-independent- on-sunday-political- poll.htm Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month. During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals. In January: (poll asked to 2029 people) Labour 35% 710 votes The Conservatives 30% 609 votes Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes UKIP 19% 386 votes Others 8% 162 votes In February: (poll asked to 2031 people) Labour 37% 751 votes The Conservatives 32% 650 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes UKIP 15% 305 votes Others 7% 142 votes In March: (poll asked to 2001 people) Labour 35% 700 votes The Conservatives 32% 60 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes UKIP 16% 320 votes Others 8% 160 votes Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were: Labour -10 The Conservatives +32 Liberal Democrats +18 UKIP -65 Others -2 Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes! That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!! As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election![/p][/quote]So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.[/p][/quote]Did I say they were wrong, or are you putting words into my mouth. I have shown the polls and the previous months polls of the ones you have stated and they show that UKIP are NOT surging ahead and I have also shown, through direct quotes from these polls as to the reason in the ups and downs of the parties!!! In fact I have not added any data or reasonings which cannot be found in the polls and the subsequent report of these polls - all I have done is generalised what all the polls and papers are saying!!! Therefore are you saying that the newspapers are lying?[/p][/quote]Why are all the political progs all talking about UKIP is it because they are falling to bits or is it because they are getting stronger & stronger. One simple reply will do its not a hard question.[/p][/quote]Easy because its leader is a liar, a hypocrite and a crook - as seen on HIGNFY!!! And they just want the world to know what a hypocrite, and a fool, Farage is![/p][/quote]Perhaps you could mention all the others have bummed us all on a industrial scale including the Muslim people they have to live with this & many are turning to UKIP because Labour are finished... You are on a loser.[/p][/quote]Why are you now focusing on the Muslim community? Are you afraid of them? Are you a closet racist? Funnily enough, Farage had to admit that some of his members are racists, on HIGNFY, on Friday evening. So do we really want a racist party running the British Government? Muslims now, who next, Jews? Roman Catholics? Chinese? You have gone steeply down in my estimation, now that you are attacking other races just to claim that UKIP is good. You have seriously lost this debate with this form of racial abuse!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -25

5:24pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The partys over its time to call over its time to call it a day your red baloon has burst... Not before time they have done their own & the own know it... You are in denial Pal.
Red balloon

- firtly I am not Labour!

Secondly you have lost this debate because you have become a racist!!

And those remarks YOU have made against the Muslim section of the British community cannot be edited out and you have definitely shown your true colours!

As for me being in denial - prove me wrong - you haven't yet!!! Like I keep saying even the evidence you have tried to use has actually been detrimental to your own argument!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: The partys over its time to call over its time to call it a day your red baloon has burst... Not before time they have done their own & the own know it... You are in denial Pal.[/p][/quote]Red balloon - firtly I am not Labour! Secondly you have lost this debate because you have become a racist!! And those remarks YOU have made against the Muslim section of the British community cannot be edited out and you have definitely shown your true colours! As for me being in denial - prove me wrong - you haven't yet!!! Like I keep saying even the evidence you have tried to use has actually been detrimental to your own argument!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -15

5:28pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes.

All following stats were taken from:
http://www.comres.co






.uk/poll/1155/sunday






-mirror-independent-






on-sunday-political-






poll.htm
Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month.

During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals.

In January: (poll asked to 2029 people)
Labour 35% 710 votes
The Conservatives 30% 609 votes
Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes
UKIP 19% 386 votes
Others 8% 162 votes

In February: (poll asked to 2031 people)
Labour 37% 751 votes
The Conservatives 32% 650 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes
UKIP 15% 305 votes
Others 7% 142 votes

In March: (poll asked to 2001 people)
Labour 35% 700 votes
The Conservatives 32% 60 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes
UKIP 16% 320 votes
Others 8% 160 votes

Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were:

Labour -10
The Conservatives +32
Liberal Democrats +18
UKIP -65
Others -2

Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes!

That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!!

As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election!
So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.
Did I say they were wrong, or are you putting words into my mouth.

I have shown the polls and the previous months polls of the ones you have stated and they show that UKIP are NOT surging ahead and I have also shown, through direct quotes from these polls as to the reason in the ups and downs of the parties!!!

In fact I have not added any data or reasonings which cannot be found in the polls and the subsequent report of these polls - all I have done is generalised what all the polls and papers are saying!!!


Therefore are you saying that the newspapers are lying?
Why are all the political progs all talking about UKIP is it because they are falling to bits or is it because they are getting stronger & stronger. One simple reply will do its not a hard question.
Easy because its leader is a liar, a hypocrite and a crook - as seen on HIGNFY!!!

And they just want the world to know what a hypocrite, and a fool, Farage is!
Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change...
Farage is a fool for having my lot over???


What the hell do you mean by that???

I am Bolton born and bred, you sad pathetic racist!!!!!!!!!!

Born 15 September 11971 in the maternity hospital, which no longer exists, on Victoria Road in Heaton, Bolton. So a true Bolton lad.

Went to St Joesphs RC Primary School and then Thornleigh Salesian College!!!!

Parents from Bolton and Salford and grandparents from Bolton and Salford and grand-grand parents were from Norwich and Manchester!!!!

You are a prized idiot for saying what you did!

YOU ARE A RACIST OF THE HIGHEST ORDER!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes. All following stats were taken from: http://www.comres.co .uk/poll/1155/sunday -mirror-independent- on-sunday-political- poll.htm Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month. During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals. In January: (poll asked to 2029 people) Labour 35% 710 votes The Conservatives 30% 609 votes Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes UKIP 19% 386 votes Others 8% 162 votes In February: (poll asked to 2031 people) Labour 37% 751 votes The Conservatives 32% 650 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes UKIP 15% 305 votes Others 7% 142 votes In March: (poll asked to 2001 people) Labour 35% 700 votes The Conservatives 32% 60 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes UKIP 16% 320 votes Others 8% 160 votes Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were: Labour -10 The Conservatives +32 Liberal Democrats +18 UKIP -65 Others -2 Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes! That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!! As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election![/p][/quote]So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.[/p][/quote]Did I say they were wrong, or are you putting words into my mouth. I have shown the polls and the previous months polls of the ones you have stated and they show that UKIP are NOT surging ahead and I have also shown, through direct quotes from these polls as to the reason in the ups and downs of the parties!!! In fact I have not added any data or reasonings which cannot be found in the polls and the subsequent report of these polls - all I have done is generalised what all the polls and papers are saying!!! Therefore are you saying that the newspapers are lying?[/p][/quote]Why are all the political progs all talking about UKIP is it because they are falling to bits or is it because they are getting stronger & stronger. One simple reply will do its not a hard question.[/p][/quote]Easy because its leader is a liar, a hypocrite and a crook - as seen on HIGNFY!!! And they just want the world to know what a hypocrite, and a fool, Farage is![/p][/quote]Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change...[/p][/quote]Farage is a fool for having my lot over??? What the hell do you mean by that??? I am Bolton born and bred, you sad pathetic racist!!!!!!!!!! Born 15 September 11971 in the maternity hospital, which no longer exists, on Victoria Road in Heaton, Bolton. So a true Bolton lad. Went to St Joesphs RC Primary School and then Thornleigh Salesian College!!!! Parents from Bolton and Salford and grandparents from Bolton and Salford and grand-grand parents were from Norwich and Manchester!!!! You are a prized idiot for saying what you did! YOU ARE A RACIST OF THE HIGHEST ORDER! The Righteous One
  • Score: -27

5:32pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Lets remember you originally said that 160,000 members would stop giving 0.93 of their membership and not latterly when you tried to say it was £160,000/week!!!! If you don't remember then check out your post at 11:220am - but does that equate to £160,00/week or is that a month? - you say its weekly but provide no evidence to back it with to check what you say is correct! (although being a proper member does actually cost less at only 0.85p/week!!!!! - checked with their official website - http://www2.labour.o


rg.uk/membership-rat


es-explained)
You are done mate.. your days are coming to a end... You need to move to the Netherlands its safer.... for now.. ; )
I will stay here - unless you are trying to give a veiled threat on my personal wellbeing!!!

Lets put it this way, I will defend my country against racist neo-nazi's like yourself, until I die.

You keep on talking about the "New Order". Do you actually know what "new Order" means?

New Order = entailing the creation of a pan-German racial state structured according to Nazi ideology to ensure the supremacy of an Aryan-Nordic master race, massive territorial expansion into Eastern Europe through its colonization with German settlers, the physical annihilation of the Jews and others considered to be "unworthy of life", and the extermination, expulsion, and enslavement of most of the Slavic peoples and others regarded as "racially inferior".

And you say that UKIP and you are not Nazi's!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Lets remember you originally said that 160,000 members would stop giving 0.93 of their membership and not latterly when you tried to say it was £160,000/week!!!! If you don't remember then check out your post at 11:220am - but does that equate to £160,00/week or is that a month? - you say its weekly but provide no evidence to back it with to check what you say is correct! (although being a proper member does actually cost less at only 0.85p/week!!!!! - checked with their official website - http://www2.labour.o rg.uk/membership-rat es-explained)[/p][/quote]You are done mate.. your days are coming to a end... You need to move to the Netherlands its safer.... for now.. ; )[/p][/quote]I will stay here - unless you are trying to give a veiled threat on my personal wellbeing!!! Lets put it this way, I will defend my country against racist neo-nazi's like yourself, until I die. You keep on talking about the "New Order". Do you actually know what "new Order" means? New Order = entailing the creation of a pan-German racial state structured according to Nazi ideology to ensure the supremacy of an Aryan-Nordic master race, massive territorial expansion into Eastern Europe through its colonization with German settlers, the physical annihilation of the Jews and others considered to be "unworthy of life", and the extermination, expulsion, and enslavement of most of the Slavic peoples and others regarded as "racially inferior". And you say that UKIP and you are not Nazi's!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -22

5:33pm Sun 13 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The partys over its time to call over its time to call it a day your red baloon has burst... Not before time they have done their own & the own know it... You are in denial Pal.
Red balloon

- firtly I am not Labour!

Secondly you have lost this debate because you have become a racist!!

And those remarks YOU have made against the Muslim section of the British community cannot be edited out and you have definitely shown your true colours!

As for me being in denial - prove me wrong - you haven't yet!!! Like I keep saying even the evidence you have tried to use has actually been detrimental to your own argument!!!!
Since when has saying Muslim been illegal & is you or any Muslims naming a Christian been illegal.. Give your head a shake. Racist card again which is worn out. You are not a voter because you are a Man or Woman without any believes.. Bye its all over. Dont tell us you haave the right to..... Trolls never support anyone except call others what they are doing wrong... All talk no action..
Ps its all ukip on the telly pal... lol
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: The partys over its time to call over its time to call it a day your red baloon has burst... Not before time they have done their own & the own know it... You are in denial Pal.[/p][/quote]Red balloon - firtly I am not Labour! Secondly you have lost this debate because you have become a racist!! And those remarks YOU have made against the Muslim section of the British community cannot be edited out and you have definitely shown your true colours! As for me being in denial - prove me wrong - you haven't yet!!! Like I keep saying even the evidence you have tried to use has actually been detrimental to your own argument!!!![/p][/quote]Since when has saying Muslim been illegal & is you or any Muslims naming a Christian been illegal.. Give your head a shake. Racist card again which is worn out. You are not a voter because you are a Man or Woman without any believes.. Bye its all over. Dont tell us you haave the right to..... Trolls never support anyone except call others what they are doing wrong... All talk no action.. Ps its all ukip on the telly pal... lol thomas222
  • Score: 2

5:38pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes.

All following stats were taken from:
http://www.comres.co






.uk/poll/1155/sunday






-mirror-independent-






on-sunday-political-






poll.htm
Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month.

During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals.

In January: (poll asked to 2029 people)
Labour 35% 710 votes
The Conservatives 30% 609 votes
Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes
UKIP 19% 386 votes
Others 8% 162 votes

In February: (poll asked to 2031 people)
Labour 37% 751 votes
The Conservatives 32% 650 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes
UKIP 15% 305 votes
Others 7% 142 votes

In March: (poll asked to 2001 people)
Labour 35% 700 votes
The Conservatives 32% 60 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes
UKIP 16% 320 votes
Others 8% 160 votes

Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were:

Labour -10
The Conservatives +32
Liberal Democrats +18
UKIP -65
Others -2

Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes!

That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!!

As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election!
So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.
Did I say they were wrong, or are you putting words into my mouth.

I have shown the polls and the previous months polls of the ones you have stated and they show that UKIP are NOT surging ahead and I have also shown, through direct quotes from these polls as to the reason in the ups and downs of the parties!!!

In fact I have not added any data or reasonings which cannot be found in the polls and the subsequent report of these polls - all I have done is generalised what all the polls and papers are saying!!!


Therefore are you saying that the newspapers are lying?
Why are all the political progs all talking about UKIP is it because they are falling to bits or is it because they are getting stronger & stronger. One simple reply will do its not a hard question.
Easy because its leader is a liar, a hypocrite and a crook - as seen on HIGNFY!!!

And they just want the world to know what a hypocrite, and a fool, Farage is!
Perhaps you could mention all the others have bummed us all on a industrial scale including the Muslim people they have to live with this & many are turning to UKIP because Labour are finished... You are on a loser.
Many are leaving Labour???

Can you, therefore, tell me why membership for Labour is currently running 25% better than UKIP's. Can you, therefore, tell me why Greens are experiencing their highest number of new members and is the fastest growing political Party, so far, this year? Can you tell me as to why with so many people against the LibDems their membership in the last 12 months has GROWN by almost 1000. Can you tell me if so many people are unhappy being a Conservative and are "willing" to join UKIP then why is UKIP membership is only 35,000 whilst The Conservatives has lost over 115,000 members?

All pertinent questions and all factually correct (all stats sources and links given out previously in this thread)

Again, you have shown no proof (like Farage in the EU debates) and just keep on saying that I am on a loser until you think I believe what you are saying just because you say so without any proof!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes. All following stats were taken from: http://www.comres.co .uk/poll/1155/sunday -mirror-independent- on-sunday-political- poll.htm Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month. During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals. In January: (poll asked to 2029 people) Labour 35% 710 votes The Conservatives 30% 609 votes Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes UKIP 19% 386 votes Others 8% 162 votes In February: (poll asked to 2031 people) Labour 37% 751 votes The Conservatives 32% 650 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes UKIP 15% 305 votes Others 7% 142 votes In March: (poll asked to 2001 people) Labour 35% 700 votes The Conservatives 32% 60 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes UKIP 16% 320 votes Others 8% 160 votes Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were: Labour -10 The Conservatives +32 Liberal Democrats +18 UKIP -65 Others -2 Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes! That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!! As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election![/p][/quote]So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.[/p][/quote]Did I say they were wrong, or are you putting words into my mouth. I have shown the polls and the previous months polls of the ones you have stated and they show that UKIP are NOT surging ahead and I have also shown, through direct quotes from these polls as to the reason in the ups and downs of the parties!!! In fact I have not added any data or reasonings which cannot be found in the polls and the subsequent report of these polls - all I have done is generalised what all the polls and papers are saying!!! Therefore are you saying that the newspapers are lying?[/p][/quote]Why are all the political progs all talking about UKIP is it because they are falling to bits or is it because they are getting stronger & stronger. One simple reply will do its not a hard question.[/p][/quote]Easy because its leader is a liar, a hypocrite and a crook - as seen on HIGNFY!!! And they just want the world to know what a hypocrite, and a fool, Farage is![/p][/quote]Perhaps you could mention all the others have bummed us all on a industrial scale including the Muslim people they have to live with this & many are turning to UKIP because Labour are finished... You are on a loser.[/p][/quote]Many are leaving Labour??? Can you, therefore, tell me why membership for Labour is currently running 25% better than UKIP's. Can you, therefore, tell me why Greens are experiencing their highest number of new members and is the fastest growing political Party, so far, this year? Can you tell me as to why with so many people against the LibDems their membership in the last 12 months has GROWN by almost 1000. Can you tell me if so many people are unhappy being a Conservative and are "willing" to join UKIP then why is UKIP membership is only 35,000 whilst The Conservatives has lost over 115,000 members? All pertinent questions and all factually correct (all stats sources and links given out previously in this thread) Again, you have shown no proof (like Farage in the EU debates) and just keep on saying that I am on a loser until you think I believe what you are saying just because you say so without any proof!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -16

5:42pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Thatissowrong says...

I can't believe this thread. It's meant to be about the decline or otherwise of high street retail outlets and two of you have spent your whole dsy arguing about how many thumbs up or down you've got. FFS.
Get a life.
Don't bother replying I'm not interested.
I can't believe this thread. It's meant to be about the decline or otherwise of high street retail outlets and two of you have spent your whole dsy arguing about how many thumbs up or down you've got. FFS. Get a life. Don't bother replying I'm not interested. Thatissowrong
  • Score: 1

5:48pm Sun 13 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes.

All following stats were taken from:
http://www.comres.co







.uk/poll/1155/sunday







-mirror-independent-







on-sunday-political-







poll.htm
Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month.

During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals.

In January: (poll asked to 2029 people)
Labour 35% 710 votes
The Conservatives 30% 609 votes
Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes
UKIP 19% 386 votes
Others 8% 162 votes

In February: (poll asked to 2031 people)
Labour 37% 751 votes
The Conservatives 32% 650 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes
UKIP 15% 305 votes
Others 7% 142 votes

In March: (poll asked to 2001 people)
Labour 35% 700 votes
The Conservatives 32% 60 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes
UKIP 16% 320 votes
Others 8% 160 votes

Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were:

Labour -10
The Conservatives +32
Liberal Democrats +18
UKIP -65
Others -2

Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes!

That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!!

As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election!
So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.
Did I say they were wrong, or are you putting words into my mouth.

I have shown the polls and the previous months polls of the ones you have stated and they show that UKIP are NOT surging ahead and I have also shown, through direct quotes from these polls as to the reason in the ups and downs of the parties!!!

In fact I have not added any data or reasonings which cannot be found in the polls and the subsequent report of these polls - all I have done is generalised what all the polls and papers are saying!!!


Therefore are you saying that the newspapers are lying?
Why are all the political progs all talking about UKIP is it because they are falling to bits or is it because they are getting stronger & stronger. One simple reply will do its not a hard question.
Easy because its leader is a liar, a hypocrite and a crook - as seen on HIGNFY!!!

And they just want the world to know what a hypocrite, and a fool, Farage is!
Perhaps you could mention all the others have bummed us all on a industrial scale including the Muslim people they have to live with this & many are turning to UKIP because Labour are finished... You are on a loser.
Many are leaving Labour???

Can you, therefore, tell me why membership for Labour is currently running 25% better than UKIP's. Can you, therefore, tell me why Greens are experiencing their highest number of new members and is the fastest growing political Party, so far, this year? Can you tell me as to why with so many people against the LibDems their membership in the last 12 months has GROWN by almost 1000. Can you tell me if so many people are unhappy being a Conservative and are "willing" to join UKIP then why is UKIP membership is only 35,000 whilst The Conservatives has lost over 115,000 members?

All pertinent questions and all factually correct (all stats sources and links given out previously in this thread)

Again, you have shown no proof (like Farage in the EU debates) and just keep on saying that I am on a loser until you think I believe what you are saying just because you say so without any proof!!!!
See you after the 22 nd of May. : )
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes. All following stats were taken from: http://www.comres.co .uk/poll/1155/sunday -mirror-independent- on-sunday-political- poll.htm Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month. During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals. In January: (poll asked to 2029 people) Labour 35% 710 votes The Conservatives 30% 609 votes Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes UKIP 19% 386 votes Others 8% 162 votes In February: (poll asked to 2031 people) Labour 37% 751 votes The Conservatives 32% 650 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes UKIP 15% 305 votes Others 7% 142 votes In March: (poll asked to 2001 people) Labour 35% 700 votes The Conservatives 32% 60 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes UKIP 16% 320 votes Others 8% 160 votes Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were: Labour -10 The Conservatives +32 Liberal Democrats +18 UKIP -65 Others -2 Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes! That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!! As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election![/p][/quote]So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.[/p][/quote]Did I say they were wrong, or are you putting words into my mouth. I have shown the polls and the previous months polls of the ones you have stated and they show that UKIP are NOT surging ahead and I have also shown, through direct quotes from these polls as to the reason in the ups and downs of the parties!!! In fact I have not added any data or reasonings which cannot be found in the polls and the subsequent report of these polls - all I have done is generalised what all the polls and papers are saying!!! Therefore are you saying that the newspapers are lying?[/p][/quote]Why are all the political progs all talking about UKIP is it because they are falling to bits or is it because they are getting stronger & stronger. One simple reply will do its not a hard question.[/p][/quote]Easy because its leader is a liar, a hypocrite and a crook - as seen on HIGNFY!!! And they just want the world to know what a hypocrite, and a fool, Farage is![/p][/quote]Perhaps you could mention all the others have bummed us all on a industrial scale including the Muslim people they have to live with this & many are turning to UKIP because Labour are finished... You are on a loser.[/p][/quote]Many are leaving Labour??? Can you, therefore, tell me why membership for Labour is currently running 25% better than UKIP's. Can you, therefore, tell me why Greens are experiencing their highest number of new members and is the fastest growing political Party, so far, this year? Can you tell me as to why with so many people against the LibDems their membership in the last 12 months has GROWN by almost 1000. Can you tell me if so many people are unhappy being a Conservative and are "willing" to join UKIP then why is UKIP membership is only 35,000 whilst The Conservatives has lost over 115,000 members? All pertinent questions and all factually correct (all stats sources and links given out previously in this thread) Again, you have shown no proof (like Farage in the EU debates) and just keep on saying that I am on a loser until you think I believe what you are saying just because you say so without any proof!!!![/p][/quote]See you after the 22 nd of May. : ) thomas222
  • Score: 9

5:50pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The partys over its time to call over its time to call it a day your red baloon has burst... Not before time they have done their own & the own know it... You are in denial Pal.
Red balloon

- firtly I am not Labour!

Secondly you have lost this debate because you have become a racist!!

And those remarks YOU have made against the Muslim section of the British community cannot be edited out and you have definitely shown your true colours!

As for me being in denial - prove me wrong - you haven't yet!!! Like I keep saying even the evidence you have tried to use has actually been detrimental to your own argument!!!!
Since when has saying Muslim been illegal & is you or any Muslims naming a Christian been illegal.. Give your head a shake. Racist card again which is worn out. You are not a voter because you are a Man or Woman without any believes.. Bye its all over. Dont tell us you haave the right to..... Trolls never support anyone except call others what they are doing wrong... All talk no action..
Ps its all ukip on the telly pal... lol
I NEVER said that saying Muslim was illegal!!!! FACT
Roman Catholocism is illegal in this country and has been since HenryVIII days and that law has never been repealed, but the Muslim religion is not illegal - FACT
I have beliefs and my beliefs do NOT match those to any of thee parties we have - and before you say well then why don't you stand for the elections. I know fair-well it would be a waste of time and money as I would lose my £500 deposit just to stand!!!
Funny - I didn't see UKIP on The agenda, or today's The Sunday politics or Daily Politics during the week - so again are you lying?

Troll = is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion

That above description is YOU. racial hatred, religion hatred. hatred against other political parties, hatred towards people who do not vote, dislike of people who prove you wrong, dislike of people who use accurate facts to prove you wrong, dislike for people who use your own "facts" back at you and call them a liar!!!!!

I have done plenty of action - only last Wednesday I was at TfGM headquarters in a meeting with the rail division, bus division, budget department and a couple of others (all may I add are councillors within Greater Manchester) seeing what an be done about public transport in this town to make it better. Before then I have had meeting with Northern Rail, First Transpennine and even been to House of Commons to have a prive meeting with MP's!! I am also member of a couple of action groups in Manchester to do with Transport and the Environment!!!!

As for jobs in the town, yes through my employers I have given jobs to people from the town and they are a success - have you done that???? Plus I am a fair employer back in The Netherlands and employ people of all religions and nationalities, including British - basically I employ the best people for the job and make sure they get a decent pay!!!

Being independent of biasness means more can get done and thoroughly because does not have to tow-partly line!!!!

What have you ever done to improve life in Bolton, or Britain - apart from moan on a local paper website?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: The partys over its time to call over its time to call it a day your red baloon has burst... Not before time they have done their own & the own know it... You are in denial Pal.[/p][/quote]Red balloon - firtly I am not Labour! Secondly you have lost this debate because you have become a racist!! And those remarks YOU have made against the Muslim section of the British community cannot be edited out and you have definitely shown your true colours! As for me being in denial - prove me wrong - you haven't yet!!! Like I keep saying even the evidence you have tried to use has actually been detrimental to your own argument!!!![/p][/quote]Since when has saying Muslim been illegal & is you or any Muslims naming a Christian been illegal.. Give your head a shake. Racist card again which is worn out. You are not a voter because you are a Man or Woman without any believes.. Bye its all over. Dont tell us you haave the right to..... Trolls never support anyone except call others what they are doing wrong... All talk no action.. Ps its all ukip on the telly pal... lol[/p][/quote]I NEVER said that saying Muslim was illegal!!!! FACT Roman Catholocism is illegal in this country and has been since HenryVIII days and that law has never been repealed, but the Muslim religion is not illegal - FACT I have beliefs and my beliefs do NOT match those to any of thee parties we have - and before you say well then why don't you stand for the elections. I know fair-well it would be a waste of time and money as I would lose my £500 deposit just to stand!!! Funny - I didn't see UKIP on The agenda, or today's The Sunday politics or Daily Politics during the week - so again are you lying? Troll = is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion That above description is YOU. racial hatred, religion hatred. hatred against other political parties, hatred towards people who do not vote, dislike of people who prove you wrong, dislike of people who use accurate facts to prove you wrong, dislike for people who use your own "facts" back at you and call them a liar!!!!! I have done plenty of action - only last Wednesday I was at TfGM headquarters in a meeting with the rail division, bus division, budget department and a couple of others (all may I add are councillors within Greater Manchester) seeing what an be done about public transport in this town to make it better. Before then I have had meeting with Northern Rail, First Transpennine and even been to House of Commons to have a prive meeting with MP's!! I am also member of a couple of action groups in Manchester to do with Transport and the Environment!!!! As for jobs in the town, yes through my employers I have given jobs to people from the town and they are a success - have you done that???? Plus I am a fair employer back in The Netherlands and employ people of all religions and nationalities, including British - basically I employ the best people for the job and make sure they get a decent pay!!! Being independent of biasness means more can get done and thoroughly because does not have to tow-partly line!!!! What have you ever done to improve life in Bolton, or Britain - apart from moan on a local paper website? The Righteous One
  • Score: -3

5:53pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes.

All following stats were taken from:
http://www.comres.co








.uk/poll/1155/sunday








-mirror-independent-








on-sunday-political-








poll.htm
Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month.

During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals.

In January: (poll asked to 2029 people)
Labour 35% 710 votes
The Conservatives 30% 609 votes
Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes
UKIP 19% 386 votes
Others 8% 162 votes

In February: (poll asked to 2031 people)
Labour 37% 751 votes
The Conservatives 32% 650 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes
UKIP 15% 305 votes
Others 7% 142 votes

In March: (poll asked to 2001 people)
Labour 35% 700 votes
The Conservatives 32% 60 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes
UKIP 16% 320 votes
Others 8% 160 votes

Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were:

Labour -10
The Conservatives +32
Liberal Democrats +18
UKIP -65
Others -2

Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes!

That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!!

As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election!
So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.
Did I say they were wrong, or are you putting words into my mouth.

I have shown the polls and the previous months polls of the ones you have stated and they show that UKIP are NOT surging ahead and I have also shown, through direct quotes from these polls as to the reason in the ups and downs of the parties!!!

In fact I have not added any data or reasonings which cannot be found in the polls and the subsequent report of these polls - all I have done is generalised what all the polls and papers are saying!!!


Therefore are you saying that the newspapers are lying?
Why are all the political progs all talking about UKIP is it because they are falling to bits or is it because they are getting stronger & stronger. One simple reply will do its not a hard question.
Easy because its leader is a liar, a hypocrite and a crook - as seen on HIGNFY!!!

And they just want the world to know what a hypocrite, and a fool, Farage is!
Perhaps you could mention all the others have bummed us all on a industrial scale including the Muslim people they have to live with this & many are turning to UKIP because Labour are finished... You are on a loser.
Many are leaving Labour???

Can you, therefore, tell me why membership for Labour is currently running 25% better than UKIP's. Can you, therefore, tell me why Greens are experiencing their highest number of new members and is the fastest growing political Party, so far, this year? Can you tell me as to why with so many people against the LibDems their membership in the last 12 months has GROWN by almost 1000. Can you tell me if so many people are unhappy being a Conservative and are "willing" to join UKIP then why is UKIP membership is only 35,000 whilst The Conservatives has lost over 115,000 members?

All pertinent questions and all factually correct (all stats sources and links given out previously in this thread)

Again, you have shown no proof (like Farage in the EU debates) and just keep on saying that I am on a loser until you think I believe what you are saying just because you say so without any proof!!!!
See you after the 22 nd of May. : )
I hope you won't be to disappointed with only between 13 and 15 seats!!! and only 16.66% of the total vote (basically same as last time) whilst in the locals will you be happy with 2 seats out of 20, as that is the likelihood - although with only 2 seats out of a grand total of 60 means that you cant do anything to change life in Bolton!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes. All following stats were taken from: http://www.comres.co .uk/poll/1155/sunday -mirror-independent- on-sunday-political- poll.htm Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month. During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals. In January: (poll asked to 2029 people) Labour 35% 710 votes The Conservatives 30% 609 votes Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes UKIP 19% 386 votes Others 8% 162 votes In February: (poll asked to 2031 people) Labour 37% 751 votes The Conservatives 32% 650 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes UKIP 15% 305 votes Others 7% 142 votes In March: (poll asked to 2001 people) Labour 35% 700 votes The Conservatives 32% 60 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes UKIP 16% 320 votes Others 8% 160 votes Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were: Labour -10 The Conservatives +32 Liberal Democrats +18 UKIP -65 Others -2 Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes! That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!! As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election![/p][/quote]So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.[/p][/quote]Did I say they were wrong, or are you putting words into my mouth. I have shown the polls and the previous months polls of the ones you have stated and they show that UKIP are NOT surging ahead and I have also shown, through direct quotes from these polls as to the reason in the ups and downs of the parties!!! In fact I have not added any data or reasonings which cannot be found in the polls and the subsequent report of these polls - all I have done is generalised what all the polls and papers are saying!!! Therefore are you saying that the newspapers are lying?[/p][/quote]Why are all the political progs all talking about UKIP is it because they are falling to bits or is it because they are getting stronger & stronger. One simple reply will do its not a hard question.[/p][/quote]Easy because its leader is a liar, a hypocrite and a crook - as seen on HIGNFY!!! And they just want the world to know what a hypocrite, and a fool, Farage is![/p][/quote]Perhaps you could mention all the others have bummed us all on a industrial scale including the Muslim people they have to live with this & many are turning to UKIP because Labour are finished... You are on a loser.[/p][/quote]Many are leaving Labour??? Can you, therefore, tell me why membership for Labour is currently running 25% better than UKIP's. Can you, therefore, tell me why Greens are experiencing their highest number of new members and is the fastest growing political Party, so far, this year? Can you tell me as to why with so many people against the LibDems their membership in the last 12 months has GROWN by almost 1000. Can you tell me if so many people are unhappy being a Conservative and are "willing" to join UKIP then why is UKIP membership is only 35,000 whilst The Conservatives has lost over 115,000 members? All pertinent questions and all factually correct (all stats sources and links given out previously in this thread) Again, you have shown no proof (like Farage in the EU debates) and just keep on saying that I am on a loser until you think I believe what you are saying just because you say so without any proof!!!![/p][/quote]See you after the 22 nd of May. : )[/p][/quote]I hope you won't be to disappointed with only between 13 and 15 seats!!! and only 16.66% of the total vote (basically same as last time) whilst in the locals will you be happy with 2 seats out of 20, as that is the likelihood - although with only 2 seats out of a grand total of 60 means that you cant do anything to change life in Bolton!!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -35

5:56pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Because unlike you I am not cherry-picking the information to suit your needs and tow the party-line, but I am showing the full picture!!!
This rather proves my point from an earlier post - because this post was +7 and is now mysteriously -57 in the space of 3 hours. That is impossible unless someone has corrupted the voting system!

And that is what is happening on the Daily Mirror poll, hence why I will not trust the result of that poll- it is corruptible! - In fact everytime one refreshes that page one can vote again, which is very undemocratic as under true democracy one person has the choice to use their one vote or not!!!
Good God you are finished and look very stupid pal..
Just showing how corrupted and undemocratic certain things can be, and yet, like a little fool, you believe them to be honest and factually correct!!!!!

But there again you are willing to follow a crook!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Because unlike you I am not cherry-picking the information to suit your needs and tow the party-line, but I am showing the full picture!!![/p][/quote]This rather proves my point from an earlier post - because this post was +7 and is now mysteriously -57 in the space of 3 hours. That is impossible unless someone has corrupted the voting system! And that is what is happening on the Daily Mirror poll, hence why I will not trust the result of that poll- it is corruptible! - In fact everytime one refreshes that page one can vote again, which is very undemocratic as under true democracy one person has the choice to use their one vote or not!!![/p][/quote]Good God you are finished and look very stupid pal..[/p][/quote]Just showing how corrupted and undemocratic certain things can be, and yet, like a little fool, you believe them to be honest and factually correct!!!!! But there again you are willing to follow a crook!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -29

6:02pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thomas,

Why have you NOT answered these question not for me, but to help other people to be reassured that voting for Farage means they are not voting for just the same old same old from the other politica parties?

I see you have not said anything about Farage claiming expenses for his wife and mistress - why is that?

Do you support his action in claiming false expenses?

Do you support him in employing his wife and mistress although its against the rules?

Do you not think he should resign as an MEP because of his expenses, which was actually more than DOUBLE what Maria Miller claimed?

Can you, therefore, tell me why membership for Labour is currently running 25% better than UKIP's?

Can you, therefore, tell me why Greens are experiencing their highest number of new members and is the fastest growing political Party, so far, this year?

Can you tell me as to why with so many people against the LibDems their membership in the last 12 months has GROWN by almost 1000?

Can you tell me if so many people are unhappy being a Conservative and are "willing" to join UKIP then why is UKIP membership is only 35,000 whilst The Conservatives has lost over 115,000 members?


All these have been asked in this thread and you have ignored them - why? The casual voter will have their minds rest assured once they have been answered thoroughly and accurately with appropriate independent links and independent sources!
Thomas, Why have you NOT answered these question not for me, but to help other people to be reassured that voting for Farage means they are not voting for just the same old same old from the other politica parties? I see you have not said anything about Farage claiming expenses for his wife and mistress - why is that? Do you support his action in claiming false expenses? Do you support him in employing his wife and mistress although its against the rules? Do you not think he should resign as an MEP because of his expenses, which was actually more than DOUBLE what Maria Miller claimed? Can you, therefore, tell me why membership for Labour is currently running 25% better than UKIP's? Can you, therefore, tell me why Greens are experiencing their highest number of new members and is the fastest growing political Party, so far, this year? Can you tell me as to why with so many people against the LibDems their membership in the last 12 months has GROWN by almost 1000? Can you tell me if so many people are unhappy being a Conservative and are "willing" to join UKIP then why is UKIP membership is only 35,000 whilst The Conservatives has lost over 115,000 members? All these have been asked in this thread and you have ignored them - why? The casual voter will have their minds rest assured once they have been answered thoroughly and accurately with appropriate independent links and independent sources! The Righteous One
  • Score: -24

7:06pm Sun 13 Apr 14

George X. says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes.

All following stats were taken from:
http://www.comres.co







.uk/poll/1155/sunday







-mirror-independent-







on-sunday-political-







poll.htm
Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month.

During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals.

In January: (poll asked to 2029 people)
Labour 35% 710 votes
The Conservatives 30% 609 votes
Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes
UKIP 19% 386 votes
Others 8% 162 votes

In February: (poll asked to 2031 people)
Labour 37% 751 votes
The Conservatives 32% 650 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes
UKIP 15% 305 votes
Others 7% 142 votes

In March: (poll asked to 2001 people)
Labour 35% 700 votes
The Conservatives 32% 60 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes
UKIP 16% 320 votes
Others 8% 160 votes

Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were:

Labour -10
The Conservatives +32
Liberal Democrats +18
UKIP -65
Others -2

Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes!

That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!!

As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election!
So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.
Did I say they were wrong, or are you putting words into my mouth.

I have shown the polls and the previous months polls of the ones you have stated and they show that UKIP are NOT surging ahead and I have also shown, through direct quotes from these polls as to the reason in the ups and downs of the parties!!!

In fact I have not added any data or reasonings which cannot be found in the polls and the subsequent report of these polls - all I have done is generalised what all the polls and papers are saying!!!


Therefore are you saying that the newspapers are lying?
Why are all the political progs all talking about UKIP is it because they are falling to bits or is it because they are getting stronger & stronger. One simple reply will do its not a hard question.
Easy because its leader is a liar, a hypocrite and a crook - as seen on HIGNFY!!!

And they just want the world to know what a hypocrite, and a fool, Farage is!
Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change...
Farage is a fool for having my lot over???


What the hell do you mean by that???

I am Bolton born and bred, you sad pathetic racist!!!!!!!!!!

Born 15 September 11971 in the maternity hospital, which no longer exists, on Victoria Road in Heaton, Bolton. So a true Bolton lad.

Went to St Joesphs RC Primary School and then Thornleigh Salesian College!!!!

Parents from Bolton and Salford and grandparents from Bolton and Salford and grand-grand parents were from Norwich and Manchester!!!!

You are a prized idiot for saying what you did!

YOU ARE A RACIST OF THE HIGHEST ORDER!
You are a TRAITOR , swings and roundabouts. !!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes. All following stats were taken from: http://www.comres.co .uk/poll/1155/sunday -mirror-independent- on-sunday-political- poll.htm Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month. During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals. In January: (poll asked to 2029 people) Labour 35% 710 votes The Conservatives 30% 609 votes Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes UKIP 19% 386 votes Others 8% 162 votes In February: (poll asked to 2031 people) Labour 37% 751 votes The Conservatives 32% 650 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes UKIP 15% 305 votes Others 7% 142 votes In March: (poll asked to 2001 people) Labour 35% 700 votes The Conservatives 32% 60 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes UKIP 16% 320 votes Others 8% 160 votes Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were: Labour -10 The Conservatives +32 Liberal Democrats +18 UKIP -65 Others -2 Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes! That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!! As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election![/p][/quote]So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.[/p][/quote]Did I say they were wrong, or are you putting words into my mouth. I have shown the polls and the previous months polls of the ones you have stated and they show that UKIP are NOT surging ahead and I have also shown, through direct quotes from these polls as to the reason in the ups and downs of the parties!!! In fact I have not added any data or reasonings which cannot be found in the polls and the subsequent report of these polls - all I have done is generalised what all the polls and papers are saying!!! Therefore are you saying that the newspapers are lying?[/p][/quote]Why are all the political progs all talking about UKIP is it because they are falling to bits or is it because they are getting stronger & stronger. One simple reply will do its not a hard question.[/p][/quote]Easy because its leader is a liar, a hypocrite and a crook - as seen on HIGNFY!!! And they just want the world to know what a hypocrite, and a fool, Farage is![/p][/quote]Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change...[/p][/quote]Farage is a fool for having my lot over??? What the hell do you mean by that??? I am Bolton born and bred, you sad pathetic racist!!!!!!!!!! Born 15 September 11971 in the maternity hospital, which no longer exists, on Victoria Road in Heaton, Bolton. So a true Bolton lad. Went to St Joesphs RC Primary School and then Thornleigh Salesian College!!!! Parents from Bolton and Salford and grandparents from Bolton and Salford and grand-grand parents were from Norwich and Manchester!!!! You are a prized idiot for saying what you did! YOU ARE A RACIST OF THE HIGHEST ORDER![/p][/quote]You are a TRAITOR , swings and roundabouts. !! George X.
  • Score: 3

8:38pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

George X. wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes.

All following stats were taken from:
http://www.comres.co








.uk/poll/1155/sunday








-mirror-independent-








on-sunday-political-








poll.htm
Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month.

During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals.

In January: (poll asked to 2029 people)
Labour 35% 710 votes
The Conservatives 30% 609 votes
Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes
UKIP 19% 386 votes
Others 8% 162 votes

In February: (poll asked to 2031 people)
Labour 37% 751 votes
The Conservatives 32% 650 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes
UKIP 15% 305 votes
Others 7% 142 votes

In March: (poll asked to 2001 people)
Labour 35% 700 votes
The Conservatives 32% 60 votes
Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes
UKIP 16% 320 votes
Others 8% 160 votes

Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were:

Labour -10
The Conservatives +32
Liberal Democrats +18
UKIP -65
Others -2

Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes!

That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!!

As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election!
So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.
Did I say they were wrong, or are you putting words into my mouth.

I have shown the polls and the previous months polls of the ones you have stated and they show that UKIP are NOT surging ahead and I have also shown, through direct quotes from these polls as to the reason in the ups and downs of the parties!!!

In fact I have not added any data or reasonings which cannot be found in the polls and the subsequent report of these polls - all I have done is generalised what all the polls and papers are saying!!!


Therefore are you saying that the newspapers are lying?
Why are all the political progs all talking about UKIP is it because they are falling to bits or is it because they are getting stronger & stronger. One simple reply will do its not a hard question.
Easy because its leader is a liar, a hypocrite and a crook - as seen on HIGNFY!!!

And they just want the world to know what a hypocrite, and a fool, Farage is!
Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change...
Farage is a fool for having my lot over???


What the hell do you mean by that???

I am Bolton born and bred, you sad pathetic racist!!!!!!!!!!

Born 15 September 11971 in the maternity hospital, which no longer exists, on Victoria Road in Heaton, Bolton. So a true Bolton lad.

Went to St Joesphs RC Primary School and then Thornleigh Salesian College!!!!

Parents from Bolton and Salford and grandparents from Bolton and Salford and grand-grand parents were from Norwich and Manchester!!!!

You are a prized idiot for saying what you did!

YOU ARE A RACIST OF THE HIGHEST ORDER!
You are a TRAITOR , swings and roundabouts. !!
How am I a traitor?


Explain instead of just saying it, otherwise how can I counter the accusation?
[quote][p][bold]George X.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: But going back to that poll you said from yesterday in The Independent done by ComRes. All following stats were taken from: http://www.comres.co .uk/poll/1155/sunday -mirror-independent- on-sunday-political- poll.htm Which did the poll in The Indepdenent which YOU mentioned and these are done every month. During the first quarter of this year (i.e Jan , Feb & Mar) on average only 2 parties were doing well and gained votes - The Conservatives and The Liberals. In January: (poll asked to 2029 people) Labour 35% 710 votes The Conservatives 30% 609 votes Liberal Democrats 8% 162 votes UKIP 19% 386 votes Others 8% 162 votes In February: (poll asked to 2031 people) Labour 37% 751 votes The Conservatives 32% 650 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 183 votes UKIP 15% 305 votes Others 7% 142 votes In March: (poll asked to 2001 people) Labour 35% 700 votes The Conservatives 32% 60 votes Liberal Democrats 9% 180 votes UKIP 16% 320 votes Others 8% 160 votes Therefore over that quarter the number of votes lost or gained were: Labour -10 The Conservatives +32 Liberal Democrats +18 UKIP -65 Others -2 Thus showing that UKIP had the biggest drop of votes whilst The Conservatives gained the most and LibDems actually picked up votes! That latest poll, in The Independent, was taken after the EU debates in which Farage did well (although factually inaccurate on many things) and after the latest expenses scandal and so people will show their disproval of what happened. In fact the poll from ComRes actuallly suggests UKIP only did well because of the Televised debates and expects to level out and drop in the next poll, next month!! As a matter of note I will keep an eye on that poll each month and update you each moth and show that basically snapshot polls are not really relevant for any future movement within a General Election![/p][/quote]So all the newspaper polls & reports on TV are wrong & are not all saying UKIP is surging including the pundits who may just finally be getting it that UKIP are on the march & its not marching backwards may i add. The establishment is very worried because this is not just a Immigration & Eu Issue its become people sick to death of being scammed by the some old partys who do not do as we ask. For example the Post office union has had 160.000 members opt out from their 93 p being sent to Labour. Thats one Union and nearly 160.000 per week... Milliband and all of them are very worried about this next election, to deny that is madness.[/p][/quote]Did I say they were wrong, or are you putting words into my mouth. I have shown the polls and the previous months polls of the ones you have stated and they show that UKIP are NOT surging ahead and I have also shown, through direct quotes from these polls as to the reason in the ups and downs of the parties!!! In fact I have not added any data or reasonings which cannot be found in the polls and the subsequent report of these polls - all I have done is generalised what all the polls and papers are saying!!! Therefore are you saying that the newspapers are lying?[/p][/quote]Why are all the political progs all talking about UKIP is it because they are falling to bits or is it because they are getting stronger & stronger. One simple reply will do its not a hard question.[/p][/quote]Easy because its leader is a liar, a hypocrite and a crook - as seen on HIGNFY!!! And they just want the world to know what a hypocrite, and a fool, Farage is![/p][/quote]Farage the fool is having you lot over.. with the blessing of the people... wake up and smell the change...[/p][/quote]Farage is a fool for having my lot over??? What the hell do you mean by that??? I am Bolton born and bred, you sad pathetic racist!!!!!!!!!! Born 15 September 11971 in the maternity hospital, which no longer exists, on Victoria Road in Heaton, Bolton. So a true Bolton lad. Went to St Joesphs RC Primary School and then Thornleigh Salesian College!!!! Parents from Bolton and Salford and grandparents from Bolton and Salford and grand-grand parents were from Norwich and Manchester!!!! You are a prized idiot for saying what you did! YOU ARE A RACIST OF THE HIGHEST ORDER![/p][/quote]You are a TRAITOR , swings and roundabouts. !![/p][/quote]How am I a traitor? Explain instead of just saying it, otherwise how can I counter the accusation? The Righteous One
  • Score: -27

8:40pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Sarah, is your middle name Jessica by any chance - in fact your way of posting seems very familiar to someone who was banned 2 weeks ago, just like George X was and yet he seemed fit to rejoin against the rules and against the wishes of the editors.

In fact using a name of a person from TV is very akin to the person who as banned who actually used 5 different names of actors and TV presenters!!!
Sarah, is your middle name Jessica by any chance - in fact your way of posting seems very familiar to someone who was banned 2 weeks ago, just like George X was and yet he seemed fit to rejoin against the rules and against the wishes of the editors. In fact using a name of a person from TV is very akin to the person who as banned who actually used 5 different names of actors and TV presenters!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -11

8:45pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Also, Sarah

Your style of posting is exactly the same as the other poster who was banned.

Therefore I am assuming you have broken the rules and gone against the instructions of the editors and rejoined.

Shame on you!
Also, Sarah Your style of posting is exactly the same as the other poster who was banned. Therefore I am assuming you have broken the rules and gone against the instructions of the editors and rejoined. Shame on you! The Righteous One
  • Score: -36

9:01pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Does a traitor support the work of the Chartist movement ins securing the franchise and the secret ballot?

Does a traitor uphold the British Constitution rather than wanting to rip it apart?

Does a traitor want to improve public transport for everyone, and even go to high-level meetings with bosses of First, Northern, TfgM and even down to London to meet MP's?

Does a traitor want to protect workers and their rights and get the best for the workers which means pay, holidays, hours and if that means adopting laws made abroad then so be it?

Does a traitor accept people for who they are and not hate tem because of their colour, religion or nationality. If its the best person for the job then lets have them?

Does a traitor help people gain employment and help them get away from being unemployed in this country?

Well from the evidence given it seems that I am no traitor but in fact quite the opposite in that I fight for people's rights and help to uphold the oldest democracy after Greece!!!
Does a traitor support the work of the Chartist movement ins securing the franchise and the secret ballot? Does a traitor uphold the British Constitution rather than wanting to rip it apart? Does a traitor want to improve public transport for everyone, and even go to high-level meetings with bosses of First, Northern, TfgM and even down to London to meet MP's? Does a traitor want to protect workers and their rights and get the best for the workers which means pay, holidays, hours and if that means adopting laws made abroad then so be it? Does a traitor accept people for who they are and not hate tem because of their colour, religion or nationality. If its the best person for the job then lets have them? Does a traitor help people gain employment and help them get away from being unemployed in this country? Well from the evidence given it seems that I am no traitor but in fact quite the opposite in that I fight for people's rights and help to uphold the oldest democracy after Greece!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -13

9:05pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Before it gets lost in the ramblings of posters who are actually banned by the editors of the people......

Thomas,

Why have you NOT answered these question not for me, but to help other people to be reassured that voting for Farage means they are not voting for just the same old same old from the other politica parties?

I see you have not said anything about Farage claiming expenses for his wife and mistress - why is that?

Do you support his action in claiming false expenses?

Do you support him in employing his wife and mistress although its against the rules?

Do you not think he should resign as an MEP because of his expenses, which was actually more than DOUBLE what Maria Miller claimed?

Can you, therefore, tell me why membership for Labour is currently running 25% better than UKIP's?

Can you, therefore, tell me why Greens are experiencing their highest number of new members and is the fastest growing political Party, so far, this year?

Can you tell me as to why with so many people against the LibDems their membership in the last 12 months has GROWN by almost 1000?

Can you tell me if so many people are unhappy being a Conservative and are "willing" to join UKIP then why is UKIP membership is only 35,000 whilst The Conservatives has lost over 115,000 members?


All these have been asked in this thread and you have ignored them - why? The casual voter will have their minds rest assured once they have been answered thoroughly and accurately with appropriate independent links and independent sources!

@George X. you talk about me being a traitor, therefore what would you call Nigel Farage considering the damage he has done with stealing tax payers money as expenses (more than double that of Maria MIller and yet there has been no inquest!!!!)
Before it gets lost in the ramblings of posters who are actually banned by the editors of the people...... Thomas, Why have you NOT answered these question not for me, but to help other people to be reassured that voting for Farage means they are not voting for just the same old same old from the other politica parties? I see you have not said anything about Farage claiming expenses for his wife and mistress - why is that? Do you support his action in claiming false expenses? Do you support him in employing his wife and mistress although its against the rules? Do you not think he should resign as an MEP because of his expenses, which was actually more than DOUBLE what Maria Miller claimed? Can you, therefore, tell me why membership for Labour is currently running 25% better than UKIP's? Can you, therefore, tell me why Greens are experiencing their highest number of new members and is the fastest growing political Party, so far, this year? Can you tell me as to why with so many people against the LibDems their membership in the last 12 months has GROWN by almost 1000? Can you tell me if so many people are unhappy being a Conservative and are "willing" to join UKIP then why is UKIP membership is only 35,000 whilst The Conservatives has lost over 115,000 members? All these have been asked in this thread and you have ignored them - why? The casual voter will have their minds rest assured once they have been answered thoroughly and accurately with appropriate independent links and independent sources! @George X. you talk about me being a traitor, therefore what would you call Nigel Farage considering the damage he has done with stealing tax payers money as expenses (more than double that of Maria MIller and yet there has been no inquest!!!!) The Righteous One
  • Score: -21

10:10pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

sarahparker wrote:
oh and im 18, and female

and to be honest i feel like talking to the police as you sound like an obsessive stalking wierdo creep

im disgusted by you

get help wierdo

hummm
In that case, it is your prerogative to do so and you ought to for your own protection, as you say, you never know what weirdo's do!

I look forward to meeting with the police :-)

If you are 18, then what are you doing up at this time, considering you have college in the morning!

Also, if you were 18 wouldn't you grammar be more perfect than mine, considering you have just recently done your English exams and I have gained bad habits when typing?

Again, if you were 18, you wouldn't even b bothered with a forum, or even this exact news thread as it is not in your demographic!

Also, once again you type, use exact same words and use same grammar as someone who is banned - now there are too many similarities for it be a coincidence!!!
[quote][p][bold]sarahparker[/bold] wrote: oh and im 18, and female and to be honest i feel like talking to the police as you sound like an obsessive stalking wierdo creep im disgusted by you get help wierdo hummm[/p][/quote]In that case, it is your prerogative to do so and you ought to for your own protection, as you say, you never know what weirdo's do! I look forward to meeting with the police :-) If you are 18, then what are you doing up at this time, considering you have college in the morning! Also, if you were 18 wouldn't you grammar be more perfect than mine, considering you have just recently done your English exams and I have gained bad habits when typing? Again, if you were 18, you wouldn't even b bothered with a forum, or even this exact news thread as it is not in your demographic! Also, once again you type, use exact same words and use same grammar as someone who is banned - now there are too many similarities for it be a coincidence!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -32

10:12pm Sun 13 Apr 14

George X. says...

sarahparker wrote:
oh and im 18, and female

and to be honest i feel like talking to the police as you sound like an obsessive stalking wierdo creep

im disgusted by you

get help wierdo

hummm
I totally agree with you but best not to enter into too much dialogue with him, he'll have you as insane as he is !!
[quote][p][bold]sarahparker[/bold] wrote: oh and im 18, and female and to be honest i feel like talking to the police as you sound like an obsessive stalking wierdo creep im disgusted by you get help wierdo hummm[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you but best not to enter into too much dialogue with him, he'll have you as insane as he is !! George X.
  • Score: 3

10:14pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Also Sarah Jessica Parker,

If you were really interested in this exact story, or the debate that followed then why didn't you comment about either , but instead you registered and immediately your first post was insulting, degrading and most of all having a go at not just one poster but two - which is against the rules, which you ticked to say you agreed by when registering on the site!!!

Therefore, I fear for your sanity if that is all you can do is register and then post in only one thread and hurl abuse.

Therefore I have reported you to the editors, because I believe you are not who you say you are and only registered to cause chaos and help bring down a local paper, thus destroying democracy!
Also Sarah Jessica Parker, If you were really interested in this exact story, or the debate that followed then why didn't you comment about either , but instead you registered and immediately your first post was insulting, degrading and most of all having a go at not just one poster but two - which is against the rules, which you ticked to say you agreed by when registering on the site!!! Therefore, I fear for your sanity if that is all you can do is register and then post in only one thread and hurl abuse. Therefore I have reported you to the editors, because I believe you are not who you say you are and only registered to cause chaos and help bring down a local paper, thus destroying democracy! The Righteous One
  • Score: -27

10:17pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

George X. wrote:
sarahparker wrote:
oh and im 18, and female

and to be honest i feel like talking to the police as you sound like an obsessive stalking wierdo creep

im disgusted by you

get help wierdo

hummm
I totally agree with you but best not to enter into too much dialogue with him, he'll have you as insane as he is !!
George, how come you defied the wishes of the editor when you were banned?

I know for a fact that they specifically advised you not to try to re-register!

Does that not show disrespect?

Isn't that showing a bad example knowing that an "18" year old is on this site and will follow what others do?
[quote][p][bold]George X.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarahparker[/bold] wrote: oh and im 18, and female and to be honest i feel like talking to the police as you sound like an obsessive stalking wierdo creep im disgusted by you get help wierdo hummm[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you but best not to enter into too much dialogue with him, he'll have you as insane as he is !![/p][/quote]George, how come you defied the wishes of the editor when you were banned? I know for a fact that they specifically advised you not to try to re-register! Does that not show disrespect? Isn't that showing a bad example knowing that an "18" year old is on this site and will follow what others do? The Righteous One
  • Score: -20

10:32pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

sarahparker wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Also Sarah Jessica Parker,

If you were really interested in this exact story, or the debate that followed then why didn't you comment about either , but instead you registered and immediately your first post was insulting, degrading and most of all having a go at not just one poster but two - which is against the rules, which you ticked to say you agreed by when registering on the site!!!

Therefore, I fear for your sanity if that is all you can do is register and then post in only one thread and hurl abuse.

Therefore I have reported you to the editors, because I believe you are not who you say you are and only registered to cause chaos and help bring down a local paper, thus destroying democracy!
ive reported you to the police for grooming

dont ever talk to me again you creepy old man
If you have, then how come I am still online?

If I am a creepy old man then you don't mind if I come round to yours in Illingworth, just off the A53 on the south side of Bolton!
[quote][p][bold]sarahparker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Also Sarah Jessica Parker, If you were really interested in this exact story, or the debate that followed then why didn't you comment about either , but instead you registered and immediately your first post was insulting, degrading and most of all having a go at not just one poster but two - which is against the rules, which you ticked to say you agreed by when registering on the site!!! Therefore, I fear for your sanity if that is all you can do is register and then post in only one thread and hurl abuse. Therefore I have reported you to the editors, because I believe you are not who you say you are and only registered to cause chaos and help bring down a local paper, thus destroying democracy![/p][/quote]ive reported you to the police for grooming dont ever talk to me again you creepy old man[/p][/quote]If you have, then how come I am still online? If I am a creepy old man then you don't mind if I come round to yours in Illingworth, just off the A53 on the south side of Bolton! The Righteous One
  • Score: -3

10:41pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

So Sarah, how is bwfcsmum?

Or is it Boltonchap, or Jackael or one of 7 others you have used to try to get round each banning order you have received from the editors!!!!

Game up, because the style of writing is not fooling anyone.

You have been banned and you will be banned again, and again, and again, and again until you realise that you are not going to win and you are not going to bring the downfall of a local paper nor democracy!

You see, the thing is, at this moment in time, as you have not posted elsewhere and only registered this evening and your first post was abusive to other posters that classes you as a "troll", which according to the rules of the website!!

Another sad fact is, with your continuing trolling of this site you are slowly pushing the final nail into the coffin of the comments section. If the editors get fed up of trying to ban you or the abuse you cause to others they will probably lose the comments and then what will you do, just move n to another paper? You are destroying people's pleasure of commenting, discussing and democratic right of independent thoughts!
So Sarah, how is bwfcsmum? Or is it Boltonchap, or Jackael or one of 7 others you have used to try to get round each banning order you have received from the editors!!!! Game up, because the style of writing is not fooling anyone. You have been banned and you will be banned again, and again, and again, and again until you realise that you are not going to win and you are not going to bring the downfall of a local paper nor democracy! You see, the thing is, at this moment in time, as you have not posted elsewhere and only registered this evening and your first post was abusive to other posters that classes you as a "troll", which according to the rules of the website!! Another sad fact is, with your continuing trolling of this site you are slowly pushing the final nail into the coffin of the comments section. If the editors get fed up of trying to ban you or the abuse you cause to others they will probably lose the comments and then what will you do, just move n to another paper? You are destroying people's pleasure of commenting, discussing and democratic right of independent thoughts! The Righteous One
  • Score: -35

10:48pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

sarahparker wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
sarahparker wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Also Sarah Jessica Parker,

If you were really interested in this exact story, or the debate that followed then why didn't you comment about either , but instead you registered and immediately your first post was insulting, degrading and most of all having a go at not just one poster but two - which is against the rules, which you ticked to say you agreed by when registering on the site!!!

Therefore, I fear for your sanity if that is all you can do is register and then post in only one thread and hurl abuse.

Therefore I have reported you to the editors, because I believe you are not who you say you are and only registered to cause chaos and help bring down a local paper, thus destroying democracy!
ive reported you to the police for grooming

dont ever talk to me again you creepy old man
If you have, then how come I am still online?

If I am a creepy old man then you don't mind if I come round to yours in Illingworth, just off the A53 on the south side of Bolton!
OMG

I dont live there but you sound like a peadophile

trying to get my middle name

trying to get my address

im talking to my dad you disgusting sex offender this is dirty and pathetic

i hope you get locked up
Caught you out!!!!!

Firstly you are not in Bolton!

Secondly you are not 18!

Thirdly you are not female!!!

Now if I am telling the truth you will now go," OMG I am telling my dad, I am informing the police blah blah blah" - as though you are trying too hard to be an 18 year old female and how an 18 year would talk!

Now if I am lying then I expect the police to knock on my door before I wake up in the morning

I wonder which will happen in reality????

I look forward to catching up with you tomorrow to see who is actually lying here :-)

And if you think this is grooming or whatever, then go ahead as I am possibly a danger to all women men and children!!!! And I ought to bee taken off the streets right away!!!

The reality is, you and I know it will not happen because you are lying and you are jut a troll who doesn't actually live in Bolton, because you do not know Bolton - as seen in your last thread!!!!!

As I say I have reported you and you will be banned tomorrow, again, along with George X. because you are both defying a ban and the wishes of the editors of the paper and website! Breaking the rules yet again!!!
[quote][p][bold]sarahparker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarahparker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Also Sarah Jessica Parker, If you were really interested in this exact story, or the debate that followed then why didn't you comment about either , but instead you registered and immediately your first post was insulting, degrading and most of all having a go at not just one poster but two - which is against the rules, which you ticked to say you agreed by when registering on the site!!! Therefore, I fear for your sanity if that is all you can do is register and then post in only one thread and hurl abuse. Therefore I have reported you to the editors, because I believe you are not who you say you are and only registered to cause chaos and help bring down a local paper, thus destroying democracy![/p][/quote]ive reported you to the police for grooming dont ever talk to me again you creepy old man[/p][/quote]If you have, then how come I am still online? If I am a creepy old man then you don't mind if I come round to yours in Illingworth, just off the A53 on the south side of Bolton![/p][/quote]OMG I dont live there but you sound like a peadophile trying to get my middle name trying to get my address im talking to my dad you disgusting sex offender this is dirty and pathetic i hope you get locked up[/p][/quote]Caught you out!!!!! Firstly you are not in Bolton! Secondly you are not 18! Thirdly you are not female!!! Now if I am telling the truth you will now go," OMG I am telling my dad, I am informing the police blah blah blah" - as though you are trying too hard to be an 18 year old female and how an 18 year would talk! Now if I am lying then I expect the police to knock on my door before I wake up in the morning I wonder which will happen in reality???? I look forward to catching up with you tomorrow to see who is actually lying here :-) And if you think this is grooming or whatever, then go ahead as I am possibly a danger to all women men and children!!!! And I ought to bee taken off the streets right away!!! The reality is, you and I know it will not happen because you are lying and you are jut a troll who doesn't actually live in Bolton, because you do not know Bolton - as seen in your last thread!!!!! As I say I have reported you and you will be banned tomorrow, again, along with George X. because you are both defying a ban and the wishes of the editors of the paper and website! Breaking the rules yet again!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -34

10:51pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

sarahparker wrote:
my mum died last year you creep

i cant believe how brazen you are in trying to get under age girld addresses and name

stop trying to get my address and name please its scary
Yet something else you don't realise.

18 years old is NOT underage.

I am now suspecting you are not even based in the UK!!!!

How low can you go????

Trolling a site, just to get it closed down keeps you smiling and hppy whilst it brings misery to those who want to use this ssite sensibly - unlike you!!!!


WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO COMMENT ABOUT THIS NEWS REPORT OR ANY NEWS REORT. YOU HAVE REGISTERED AND ALL YOU HAVE DONE IS GIVE ABUSE OUT. NO NORMAL 18 YEAR OLD WHETHER MALE OR FEMALE WOULD EVER DO THAT ESPECIALLY ON A NEWS REPRT THAT DOES NOT AFFECT THEM!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]sarahparker[/bold] wrote: my mum died last year you creep i cant believe how brazen you are in trying to get under age girld addresses and name stop trying to get my address and name please its scary[/p][/quote]Yet something else you don't realise. 18 years old is NOT underage. I am now suspecting you are not even based in the UK!!!! How low can you go???? Trolling a site, just to get it closed down keeps you smiling and hppy whilst it brings misery to those who want to use this ssite sensibly - unlike you!!!! WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO COMMENT ABOUT THIS NEWS REPORT OR ANY NEWS REORT. YOU HAVE REGISTERED AND ALL YOU HAVE DONE IS GIVE ABUSE OUT. NO NORMAL 18 YEAR OLD WHETHER MALE OR FEMALE WOULD EVER DO THAT ESPECIALLY ON A NEWS REPRT THAT DOES NOT AFFECT THEM!!!!!!!!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -20

10:52pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Before it gets lost in the ramblings of posters who are actually banned by the editors of the people......

Thomas,

Why have you NOT answered these question not for me, but to help other people to be reassured that voting for Farage means they are not voting for just the same old same old from the other politica parties?

I see you have not said anything about Farage claiming expenses for his wife and mistress - why is that?

Do you support his action in claiming false expenses?

Do you support him in employing his wife and mistress although its against the rules?

Do you not think he should resign as an MEP because of his expenses, which was actually more than DOUBLE what Maria Miller claimed?

Can you, therefore, tell me why membership for Labour is currently running 25% better than UKIP's?

Can you, therefore, tell me why Greens are experiencing their highest number of new members and is the fastest growing political Party, so far, this year?

Can you tell me as to why with so many people against the LibDems their membership in the last 12 months has GROWN by almost 1000?

Can you tell me if so many people are unhappy being a Conservative and are "willing" to join UKIP then why is UKIP membership is only 35,000 whilst The Conservatives has lost over 115,000 members?


All these have been asked in this thread and you have ignored them - why? The casual voter will have their minds rest assured once they have been answered thoroughly and accurately with appropriate independent links and independent sources!

@George X. you talk about me being a traitor, therefore what would you call Nigel Farage considering the damage he has done with stealing tax payers money as expenses (more than double that of Maria MIller and yet there has been no inquest!!!!)
Before it gets lost in the ramblings of posters who are actually banned by the editors of the people...... Thomas, Why have you NOT answered these question not for me, but to help other people to be reassured that voting for Farage means they are not voting for just the same old same old from the other politica parties? I see you have not said anything about Farage claiming expenses for his wife and mistress - why is that? Do you support his action in claiming false expenses? Do you support him in employing his wife and mistress although its against the rules? Do you not think he should resign as an MEP because of his expenses, which was actually more than DOUBLE what Maria Miller claimed? Can you, therefore, tell me why membership for Labour is currently running 25% better than UKIP's? Can you, therefore, tell me why Greens are experiencing their highest number of new members and is the fastest growing political Party, so far, this year? Can you tell me as to why with so many people against the LibDems their membership in the last 12 months has GROWN by almost 1000? Can you tell me if so many people are unhappy being a Conservative and are "willing" to join UKIP then why is UKIP membership is only 35,000 whilst The Conservatives has lost over 115,000 members? All these have been asked in this thread and you have ignored them - why? The casual voter will have their minds rest assured once they have been answered thoroughly and accurately with appropriate independent links and independent sources! @George X. you talk about me being a traitor, therefore what would you call Nigel Farage considering the damage he has done with stealing tax payers money as expenses (more than double that of Maria MIller and yet there has been no inquest!!!!) The Righteous One
  • Score: -2

10:54pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

George X - why haven't you advised as to why I am a traitor.

you have accused me of being one but not aid the reasons why!!

Therefore me or anyone else reading this thread do not know why I am a traitor!!!! Or is it a case that if you say if often enough it will become true, without any evidence to prove your accusation!
George X - why haven't you advised as to why I am a traitor. you have accused me of being one but not aid the reasons why!! Therefore me or anyone else reading this thread do not know why I am a traitor!!!! Or is it a case that if you say if often enough it will become true, without any evidence to prove your accusation! The Righteous One
  • Score: -23

11:17pm Sun 13 Apr 14

BWFC71.1 says...

Well ladies, hello!!

I see you are both aausing trouble and assuming other posters to be me!!!

Shame on you both.

I just had to re-register due to the fact that you are actually having a go at an innocent poster!!

Thing is you always assumed that TRO was m, and I also let you believe that, in the vain hope that you would stop accusing other innocent people of being me!!

How wrong was I????

Anyway how were you sabbaticals away from the site - hopefully just as fruitful and restful as mine!!!

But from what I can see, it doesn't seem it in fact you both seem more twisted than ever before.

What I need to ask, was it your fault that the BN closed their forums? If so what bother did you both do to get it closed??? Only asking because there was an unfinished thread on the forums with regards to the fantasy football league and now we will never know who will win it - thanks to it being closed!!!

I also see that you still have the fascination of the thumbs - I would have though you would have got massively bored of them by now!!!

One question BWFCSMUM/SarahParker - why are you now pretending to be an 18 yer old female and failing miserably - do you actually know how 18 year olds tal, never mind what they read or type???????
Well ladies, hello!! I see you are both aausing trouble and assuming other posters to be me!!! Shame on you both. I just had to re-register due to the fact that you are actually having a go at an innocent poster!! Thing is you always assumed that TRO was m, and I also let you believe that, in the vain hope that you would stop accusing other innocent people of being me!! How wrong was I???? Anyway how were you sabbaticals away from the site - hopefully just as fruitful and restful as mine!!! But from what I can see, it doesn't seem it in fact you both seem more twisted than ever before. What I need to ask, was it your fault that the BN closed their forums? If so what bother did you both do to get it closed??? Only asking because there was an unfinished thread on the forums with regards to the fantasy football league and now we will never know who will win it - thanks to it being closed!!! I also see that you still have the fascination of the thumbs - I would have though you would have got massively bored of them by now!!! One question BWFCSMUM/SarahParker - why are you now pretending to be an 18 yer old female and failing miserably - do you actually know how 18 year olds tal, never mind what they read or type??????? BWFC71.1
  • Score: -2

11:53pm Sun 13 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

right so let me see...

Sarah Parker (the person who is supposedly a young 18 year old female but uses the language of a male who is 40+)

George X. - the voice of unreason

and now BWFC71.1!

as well as Thomas222

Are you all part of the "New Order" r part of the "Joy Division"?

Choice is yours!

New Order - supposedly the tag-line for UKIP but this is the real meaning......
creation of a pan-German racial state structured according to Nazi ideology to ensure the supremacy of an Aryan-Nordic master race, massive territorial expansion into Eastern Europe through its colonization with German settlers, the physical annihilation of the Jews and others considered to be "unworthy of life", and the extermination, expulsion, and enslavement of most of the Slavic peoples and others regarded as "racially inferior".

Whilst Joy Division is.....
SS enticed women into becoming sex workers by promising them better treatment or reductions of their indefinite sentence.
right so let me see... Sarah Parker (the person who is supposedly a young 18 year old female but uses the language of a male who is 40+) George X. - the voice of unreason and now BWFC71.1! as well as Thomas222 Are you all part of the "New Order" r part of the "Joy Division"? Choice is yours! New Order - supposedly the tag-line for UKIP but this is the real meaning...... creation of a pan-German racial state structured according to Nazi ideology to ensure the supremacy of an Aryan-Nordic master race, massive territorial expansion into Eastern Europe through its colonization with German settlers, the physical annihilation of the Jews and others considered to be "unworthy of life", and the extermination, expulsion, and enslavement of most of the Slavic peoples and others regarded as "racially inferior". Whilst Joy Division is..... SS enticed women into becoming sex workers by promising them better treatment or reductions of their indefinite sentence. The Righteous One
  • Score: -48

10:58am Mon 14 Apr 14

JustBecause says...

how many empty units at the Trafford centre, middle brook, trinity retail park.......etc

When a report starts with this quote then you know its just garbage.

"Evidence it presented suggested rather than taking shoppers away, the internet was pushing people back to shops with the growth of click-and-collect services"

So you spend on the internet and go to a shop to collect your goods, your now a high street shopper.,.
how many empty units at the Trafford centre, middle brook, trinity retail park.......etc When a report starts with this quote then you know its just garbage. "Evidence it presented suggested rather than taking shoppers away, the internet was pushing people back to shops with the growth of click-and-collect services" So you spend on the internet and go to a shop to collect your goods, your now a high street shopper.,. JustBecause
  • Score: 0

1:27pm Mon 14 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

JustBecause wrote:
how many empty units at the Trafford centre, middle brook, trinity retail park.......etc

When a report starts with this quote then you know its just garbage.

"Evidence it presented suggested rather than taking shoppers away, the internet was pushing people back to shops with the growth of click-and-collect services"

So you spend on the internet and go to a shop to collect your goods, your now a high street shopper.,.
But the report is for the whole country and as such it is a generalisation. What maybe happening in Bolton, hasn't happened in Bury or Manchester or Altrincham.

The report model doesn't fit Bolton, I assume we all agree with that, but the report covers the whole country and as such the model may well fit the majority of towns and cities!
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: how many empty units at the Trafford centre, middle brook, trinity retail park.......etc When a report starts with this quote then you know its just garbage. "Evidence it presented suggested rather than taking shoppers away, the internet was pushing people back to shops with the growth of click-and-collect services" So you spend on the internet and go to a shop to collect your goods, your now a high street shopper.,.[/p][/quote]But the report is for the whole country and as such it is a generalisation. What maybe happening in Bolton, hasn't happened in Bury or Manchester or Altrincham. The report model doesn't fit Bolton, I assume we all agree with that, but the report covers the whole country and as such the model may well fit the majority of towns and cities! The Righteous One
  • Score: -19

4:48pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Ernagy2 says...

If chippy's, barbers shops and pound shops are showing Bolton town centre is doing better than the retail parks then heaven help us. Money isn't everything it's the quality of the shops in the Town.

At one time Bolton was the shopping centre of the North West. People came from all over Greater Manchester, Blackburn and Lancaster to do their shopping. Not any more. They go to Bury, Warrington which thity years ago couldn't compete with Bolton.

I don't care what this report says, the quality of the shopping is poor. The Councillors should be ashamed of themselves for letting the Town Centre go to waste. The Town is losing shoppers to Bury, a Town that had one street and a market thirty years ago has now got a shopping as big if not bigger than Bolton. They even have a HMV shop - how did that happen? Why did HMV decide to shut the Bolton shop first and leave the Bury one still trading?

We need more than shopping though, we need to re attract visitors to the Town, not just shoppers. We need to get tourists from all over the country to come to Bolton. We have the history, we need the facilities to show Bolton off at it's best.
If chippy's, barbers shops and pound shops are showing Bolton town centre is doing better than the retail parks then heaven help us. Money isn't everything it's the quality of the shops in the Town. At one time Bolton was the shopping centre of the North West. People came from all over Greater Manchester, Blackburn and Lancaster to do their shopping. Not any more. They go to Bury, Warrington which thity years ago couldn't compete with Bolton. I don't care what this report says, the quality of the shopping is poor. The Councillors should be ashamed of themselves for letting the Town Centre go to waste. The Town is losing shoppers to Bury, a Town that had one street and a market thirty years ago has now got a shopping as big if not bigger than Bolton. They even have a HMV shop - how did that happen? Why did HMV decide to shut the Bolton shop first and leave the Bury one still trading? We need more than shopping though, we need to re attract visitors to the Town, not just shoppers. We need to get tourists from all over the country to come to Bolton. We have the history, we need the facilities to show Bolton off at it's best. Ernagy2
  • Score: 0

5:48pm Mon 14 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
If chippy's, barbers shops and pound shops are showing Bolton town centre is doing better than the retail parks then heaven help us. Money isn't everything it's the quality of the shops in the Town.

At one time Bolton was the shopping centre of the North West. People came from all over Greater Manchester, Blackburn and Lancaster to do their shopping. Not any more. They go to Bury, Warrington which thity years ago couldn't compete with Bolton.

I don't care what this report says, the quality of the shopping is poor. The Councillors should be ashamed of themselves for letting the Town Centre go to waste. The Town is losing shoppers to Bury, a Town that had one street and a market thirty years ago has now got a shopping as big if not bigger than Bolton. They even have a HMV shop - how did that happen? Why did HMV decide to shut the Bolton shop first and leave the Bury one still trading?

We need more than shopping though, we need to re attract visitors to the Town, not just shoppers. We need to get tourists from all over the country to come to Bolton. We have the history, we need the facilities to show Bolton off at it's best.
To be fair I am, again, not disagreeing!

The councillors since the late 1990's have destroyed the town centre but its no just them!!!!

Council closed The Water Place because it supposedly cost too much to maintain!!! Put it was a puller for the town.

Then the council through a cross-party decision, decided to sell the heart of the town - Bolton Market Hall!!!! Look what a mess that became by the new owners.

Then the zero chance policy with regards to parking and the parking wardens even the current use of the camera car - which the Government is looking to get rid of!!!
Plus the price hike of the Councils Car Parks (managed by NCP)
Bolton college moving out of the school building on Higher Bridge Street and then knocking it down and nothing built in its place (Asons now have the space and are building an eco-friendly office block)
Bolton College moving out of its Manchester Road campus and knocking it down - thus creating a further eyesore heading into town.

But there have also been outside factors that have decided the fate of our town:
The Rank selling up the Odeon when they bought the old Sainsbury's building (next to the open market) and the new company then going into administration and the building eventually being pulled down and nothing built in its place - nothing the council could do!
The owners of The Market Place going into administration no sooner than after they had completed the awful refurbishment of the old Market Hall. The Banks then ran the building and the rents but did nothing to entice new shops or customers.
Central Government putting a freeze on all Business Rates - in other words no review until after the next General Election - that has hampered development because for the state the town is currently in the Business Rates are too artificially high!!!
Private landlords asking far too much for the rents for the various retail and office units.
The closure of the Pack Horse and being turned into student accommodation, after being sold at auction, when companies like Travelodge where wanting to buy the building and maintain it as a hotel!!!
Closure of some of the bigger nightclubs because the parent companies went into administration or burnt down such as Ikon.
Banks not wanting to risk help small businesses in expansion in the town!
Chain stores fighting a caveat in that some stores were not allowed to open at Middlebrook (such as clothes shops like River Island, Next and M&S) but they took the council to court and got the caveat overturned!!!

Just as a footnote, Bury had a HMV for a few years before the Bolton store opened
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: If chippy's, barbers shops and pound shops are showing Bolton town centre is doing better than the retail parks then heaven help us. Money isn't everything it's the quality of the shops in the Town. At one time Bolton was the shopping centre of the North West. People came from all over Greater Manchester, Blackburn and Lancaster to do their shopping. Not any more. They go to Bury, Warrington which thity years ago couldn't compete with Bolton. I don't care what this report says, the quality of the shopping is poor. The Councillors should be ashamed of themselves for letting the Town Centre go to waste. The Town is losing shoppers to Bury, a Town that had one street and a market thirty years ago has now got a shopping as big if not bigger than Bolton. They even have a HMV shop - how did that happen? Why did HMV decide to shut the Bolton shop first and leave the Bury one still trading? We need more than shopping though, we need to re attract visitors to the Town, not just shoppers. We need to get tourists from all over the country to come to Bolton. We have the history, we need the facilities to show Bolton off at it's best.[/p][/quote]To be fair I am, again, not disagreeing! The councillors since the late 1990's have destroyed the town centre but its no just them!!!! Council closed The Water Place because it supposedly cost too much to maintain!!! Put it was a puller for the town. Then the council through a cross-party decision, decided to sell the heart of the town - Bolton Market Hall!!!! Look what a mess that became by the new owners. Then the zero chance policy with regards to parking and the parking wardens even the current use of the camera car - which the Government is looking to get rid of!!! Plus the price hike of the Councils Car Parks (managed by NCP) Bolton college moving out of the school building on Higher Bridge Street and then knocking it down and nothing built in its place (Asons now have the space and are building an eco-friendly office block) Bolton College moving out of its Manchester Road campus and knocking it down - thus creating a further eyesore heading into town. But there have also been outside factors that have decided the fate of our town: The Rank selling up the Odeon when they bought the old Sainsbury's building (next to the open market) and the new company then going into administration and the building eventually being pulled down and nothing built in its place - nothing the council could do! The owners of The Market Place going into administration no sooner than after they had completed the awful refurbishment of the old Market Hall. The Banks then ran the building and the rents but did nothing to entice new shops or customers. Central Government putting a freeze on all Business Rates - in other words no review until after the next General Election - that has hampered development because for the state the town is currently in the Business Rates are too artificially high!!! Private landlords asking far too much for the rents for the various retail and office units. The closure of the Pack Horse and being turned into student accommodation, after being sold at auction, when companies like Travelodge where wanting to buy the building and maintain it as a hotel!!! Closure of some of the bigger nightclubs because the parent companies went into administration or burnt down such as Ikon. Banks not wanting to risk help small businesses in expansion in the town! Chain stores fighting a caveat in that some stores were not allowed to open at Middlebrook (such as clothes shops like River Island, Next and M&S) but they took the council to court and got the caveat overturned!!! Just as a footnote, Bury had a HMV for a few years before the Bolton store opened The Righteous One
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11:15pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Ernagy2 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
If chippy's, barbers shops and pound shops are showing Bolton town centre is doing better than the retail parks then heaven help us. Money isn't everything it's the quality of the shops in the Town.

At one time Bolton was the shopping centre of the North West. People came from all over Greater Manchester, Blackburn and Lancaster to do their shopping. Not any more. They go to Bury, Warrington which thity years ago couldn't compete with Bolton.

I don't care what this report says, the quality of the shopping is poor. The Councillors should be ashamed of themselves for letting the Town Centre go to waste. The Town is losing shoppers to Bury, a Town that had one street and a market thirty years ago has now got a shopping as big if not bigger than Bolton. They even have a HMV shop - how did that happen? Why did HMV decide to shut the Bolton shop first and leave the Bury one still trading?

We need more than shopping though, we need to re attract visitors to the Town, not just shoppers. We need to get tourists from all over the country to come to Bolton. We have the history, we need the facilities to show Bolton off at it's best.
To be fair I am, again, not disagreeing!

The councillors since the late 1990's have destroyed the town centre but its no just them!!!!

Council closed The Water Place because it supposedly cost too much to maintain!!! Put it was a puller for the town.

Then the council through a cross-party decision, decided to sell the heart of the town - Bolton Market Hall!!!! Look what a mess that became by the new owners.

Then the zero chance policy with regards to parking and the parking wardens even the current use of the camera car - which the Government is looking to get rid of!!!
Plus the price hike of the Councils Car Parks (managed by NCP)
Bolton college moving out of the school building on Higher Bridge Street and then knocking it down and nothing built in its place (Asons now have the space and are building an eco-friendly office block)
Bolton College moving out of its Manchester Road campus and knocking it down - thus creating a further eyesore heading into town.

But there have also been outside factors that have decided the fate of our town:
The Rank selling up the Odeon when they bought the old Sainsbury's building (next to the open market) and the new company then going into administration and the building eventually being pulled down and nothing built in its place - nothing the council could do!
The owners of The Market Place going into administration no sooner than after they had completed the awful refurbishment of the old Market Hall. The Banks then ran the building and the rents but did nothing to entice new shops or customers.
Central Government putting a freeze on all Business Rates - in other words no review until after the next General Election - that has hampered development because for the state the town is currently in the Business Rates are too artificially high!!!
Private landlords asking far too much for the rents for the various retail and office units.
The closure of the Pack Horse and being turned into student accommodation, after being sold at auction, when companies like Travelodge where wanting to buy the building and maintain it as a hotel!!!
Closure of some of the bigger nightclubs because the parent companies went into administration or burnt down such as Ikon.
Banks not wanting to risk help small businesses in expansion in the town!
Chain stores fighting a caveat in that some stores were not allowed to open at Middlebrook (such as clothes shops like River Island, Next and M&S) but they took the council to court and got the caveat overturned!!!

Just as a footnote, Bury had a HMV for a few years before the Bolton store opened
Who allowed the Odeon cinema building to be knock down? - a grade 2 listed building - that must have been Bolton Council - if not why wasn't the firm prosecuted? That is the Councils fault. How can they let so many beautiful buildings be knock down in favour of ugly blocks? Why can't we save the frontage of these buildings?

Bolton has thrown it's inheritance away. The Town is being run down. One hopes they will get on with the new bus station and not let it be a pile of rubble for years to come. What will they do with Moor Lane, put housing on it? or leave that in rubble as well!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: If chippy's, barbers shops and pound shops are showing Bolton town centre is doing better than the retail parks then heaven help us. Money isn't everything it's the quality of the shops in the Town. At one time Bolton was the shopping centre of the North West. People came from all over Greater Manchester, Blackburn and Lancaster to do their shopping. Not any more. They go to Bury, Warrington which thity years ago couldn't compete with Bolton. I don't care what this report says, the quality of the shopping is poor. The Councillors should be ashamed of themselves for letting the Town Centre go to waste. The Town is losing shoppers to Bury, a Town that had one street and a market thirty years ago has now got a shopping as big if not bigger than Bolton. They even have a HMV shop - how did that happen? Why did HMV decide to shut the Bolton shop first and leave the Bury one still trading? We need more than shopping though, we need to re attract visitors to the Town, not just shoppers. We need to get tourists from all over the country to come to Bolton. We have the history, we need the facilities to show Bolton off at it's best.[/p][/quote]To be fair I am, again, not disagreeing! The councillors since the late 1990's have destroyed the town centre but its no just them!!!! Council closed The Water Place because it supposedly cost too much to maintain!!! Put it was a puller for the town. Then the council through a cross-party decision, decided to sell the heart of the town - Bolton Market Hall!!!! Look what a mess that became by the new owners. Then the zero chance policy with regards to parking and the parking wardens even the current use of the camera car - which the Government is looking to get rid of!!! Plus the price hike of the Councils Car Parks (managed by NCP) Bolton college moving out of the school building on Higher Bridge Street and then knocking it down and nothing built in its place (Asons now have the space and are building an eco-friendly office block) Bolton College moving out of its Manchester Road campus and knocking it down - thus creating a further eyesore heading into town. But there have also been outside factors that have decided the fate of our town: The Rank selling up the Odeon when they bought the old Sainsbury's building (next to the open market) and the new company then going into administration and the building eventually being pulled down and nothing built in its place - nothing the council could do! The owners of The Market Place going into administration no sooner than after they had completed the awful refurbishment of the old Market Hall. The Banks then ran the building and the rents but did nothing to entice new shops or customers. Central Government putting a freeze on all Business Rates - in other words no review until after the next General Election - that has hampered development because for the state the town is currently in the Business Rates are too artificially high!!! Private landlords asking far too much for the rents for the various retail and office units. The closure of the Pack Horse and being turned into student accommodation, after being sold at auction, when companies like Travelodge where wanting to buy the building and maintain it as a hotel!!! Closure of some of the bigger nightclubs because the parent companies went into administration or burnt down such as Ikon. Banks not wanting to risk help small businesses in expansion in the town! Chain stores fighting a caveat in that some stores were not allowed to open at Middlebrook (such as clothes shops like River Island, Next and M&S) but they took the council to court and got the caveat overturned!!! Just as a footnote, Bury had a HMV for a few years before the Bolton store opened[/p][/quote]Who allowed the Odeon cinema building to be knock down? - a grade 2 listed building - that must have been Bolton Council - if not why wasn't the firm prosecuted? That is the Councils fault. How can they let so many beautiful buildings be knock down in favour of ugly blocks? Why can't we save the frontage of these buildings? Bolton has thrown it's inheritance away. The Town is being run down. One hopes they will get on with the new bus station and not let it be a pile of rubble for years to come. What will they do with Moor Lane, put housing on it? or leave that in rubble as well! Ernagy2
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3:00pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thomas,

Talking UKIP yet again, what a surprise!!!!

Firstly it would have been more patriotic if they were protesting with either the Union flag or the St Georges cross. But to just protest against the EU flag is not patriotic at all, but a demonstration against a body they don't believe in!!!

Secondly, was this protest done with some of the £60,000 that Farage received recently as expenses from the EU to support anti-EU campaigns? Bit of a contradiction, isn't it?

Thirdly, why do you continue to show one-off reports of the very few councillors in other parts of the UK and yet show nothing of what UKIP are doing locally, considering Boltonians are not that particularly bothered as to what happens in Essex?
Thomas, Talking UKIP yet again, what a surprise!!!! Firstly it would have been more patriotic if they were protesting with either the Union flag or the St Georges cross. But to just protest against the EU flag is not patriotic at all, but a demonstration against a body they don't believe in!!! Secondly, was this protest done with some of the £60,000 that Farage received recently as expenses from the EU to support anti-EU campaigns? Bit of a contradiction, isn't it? Thirdly, why do you continue to show one-off reports of the very few councillors in other parts of the UK and yet show nothing of what UKIP are doing locally, considering Boltonians are not that particularly bothered as to what happens in Essex? The Righteous One
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3:01pm Wed 16 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

^^^^^ OOps wrong thread!
^^^^^ OOps wrong thread! The Righteous One
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