Headteacher backs plans to fly Union flag in every Bolton school

The Bolton News: Headteach backs plans to fly Union flag in every Bolton school Headteach backs plans to fly Union flag in every Bolton school

A PRIMARY school headteacher says he cannot see any objections to why schools should not fly the Union flag.

Bolton Council approved a patriotic motion, put forward by Bradshaw councillor Mudasir Dean, that will see the borough’s schools encouraged to fly the national flag and sing the nation anthem in assembly each morning.

Conservative Cllr Dean said it was a way of helping immigrants integrate into British life, instil national pride in the town’s youth and stop the county’s flag being associated with far-right groups.

He added it would inspire “children within the Bolton family to be proud of being British enabling them to appreciate our rich history and great heritage.”

Throughout the debate at Bolton Council’s full council meeting accusations flew across the floor that the motion was politically-motivated and would stretch already tight school budgets.

But Simon Bramwell, executive principal of SS Simon and Jude’s CE Primary School in Great Lever — a school rated good with outstanding features by Ofsted — said he said the motion could open up a debate on national pride.

He added: “Speaking personally, I don't see any real objections to ‘Flying the Flag’, we take such things for granted in the USA, Canada and a number of European countries.

“In fact in the USA , I believe, there is a flag in each classroom.

“However our National Anthem is more a celebration of the King or Queen rather than the country in itself.

“Many people do not make the distinction, but you can be a supporter of Britain without being a Monarchist, acceptance of pluralist views is after all one of the crowning achievements of being truly British.”

Mr Bramwell, who is a member of the National Association of Headteachers, added: “I applaud Cllr Dean’s intention in bringing this matter forward, and am sure it will spark a useful debate on National Pride, and the positive roles that can be played by nation states.”

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1:09pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Back oth Bank Boy says...

IT MUST START AT THE TOP. OUR RULING POLITICIANS AT NATIONAL AND LOCAL LEVEL STOP SUPPORTING MEGA CORPORATIONS BY GIVING
THEM FREE POWER TO ROB BRITISH PEOPLE AT SUPER MARKETS, BANKS, GAS, ELECTRIC,WATER SUPPLY, HEALTH AND EDUCATION THEN BRITISH JOE BLOG WILL FEEL REAL BRITISHNESS. HE WILL WAVE UNION JACK AND PROUD TO SING GOD SAVE THE QUEEN OR RULE BRITANIA. TODAY WE CAN'T BE PROUD OF OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE WE DO NOT OWN IT. MEGA RICH OUTSIDERS RULING IT BY CORRUPTION.
IT MUST START AT THE TOP. OUR RULING POLITICIANS AT NATIONAL AND LOCAL LEVEL STOP SUPPORTING MEGA CORPORATIONS BY GIVING THEM FREE POWER TO ROB BRITISH PEOPLE AT SUPER MARKETS, BANKS, GAS, ELECTRIC,WATER SUPPLY, HEALTH AND EDUCATION THEN BRITISH JOE BLOG WILL FEEL REAL BRITISHNESS. HE WILL WAVE UNION JACK AND PROUD TO SING GOD SAVE THE QUEEN OR RULE BRITANIA. TODAY WE CAN'T BE PROUD OF OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE WE DO NOT OWN IT. MEGA RICH OUTSIDERS RULING IT BY CORRUPTION. Back oth Bank Boy
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1:36pm Mon 21 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Just wait until the head teacher sees the budget for flag flying and how many flags will be required and then have to make a decision on what gets cut - education or flying a flag?

But if he had seen The Wright Stuff on Friday morning they had a American on the show and they talked about Bolton's proposals and the American said what I have been saying. The children go through the motions but they don't know what it is all about, and to a point they don't care because it is rammed down their throats so much. It has basically become mundane, rather than being something special!
Just wait until the head teacher sees the budget for flag flying and how many flags will be required and then have to make a decision on what gets cut - education or flying a flag? But if he had seen The Wright Stuff on Friday morning they had a American on the show and they talked about Bolton's proposals and the American said what I have been saying. The children go through the motions but they don't know what it is all about, and to a point they don't care because it is rammed down their throats so much. It has basically become mundane, rather than being something special! The Righteous One
  • Score: -54

3:00pm Mon 21 Apr 14

BlueRay79 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Just wait until the head teacher sees the budget for flag flying and how many flags will be required and then have to make a decision on what gets cut - education or flying a flag?

But if he had seen The Wright Stuff on Friday morning they had a American on the show and they talked about Bolton's proposals and the American said what I have been saying. The children go through the motions but they don't know what it is all about, and to a point they don't care because it is rammed down their throats so much. It has basically become mundane, rather than being something special!
Why how much do you think a flag per school is going to cost? They only need 1! and it's not like all schools are going to do it.

As for your bit on The Wright Stuff, please.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Just wait until the head teacher sees the budget for flag flying and how many flags will be required and then have to make a decision on what gets cut - education or flying a flag? But if he had seen The Wright Stuff on Friday morning they had a American on the show and they talked about Bolton's proposals and the American said what I have been saying. The children go through the motions but they don't know what it is all about, and to a point they don't care because it is rammed down their throats so much. It has basically become mundane, rather than being something special![/p][/quote]Why how much do you think a flag per school is going to cost? They only need 1! and it's not like all schools are going to do it. As for your bit on The Wright Stuff, please. BlueRay79
  • Score: 10

3:06pm Mon 21 Apr 14

BlueRay79 says...

Back oth Bank Boy wrote:
IT MUST START AT THE TOP. OUR RULING POLITICIANS AT NATIONAL AND LOCAL LEVEL STOP SUPPORTING MEGA CORPORATIONS BY GIVING
THEM FREE POWER TO ROB BRITISH PEOPLE AT SUPER MARKETS, BANKS, GAS, ELECTRIC,WATER SUPPLY, HEALTH AND EDUCATION THEN BRITISH JOE BLOG WILL FEEL REAL BRITISHNESS. HE WILL WAVE UNION JACK AND PROUD TO SING GOD SAVE THE QUEEN OR RULE BRITANIA. TODAY WE CAN'T BE PROUD OF OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE WE DO NOT OWN IT. MEGA RICH OUTSIDERS RULING IT BY CORRUPTION.
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[quote][p][bold]Back oth Bank Boy[/bold] wrote: IT MUST START AT THE TOP. OUR RULING POLITICIANS AT NATIONAL AND LOCAL LEVEL STOP SUPPORTING MEGA CORPORATIONS BY GIVING THEM FREE POWER TO ROB BRITISH PEOPLE AT SUPER MARKETS, BANKS, GAS, ELECTRIC,WATER SUPPLY, HEALTH AND EDUCATION THEN BRITISH JOE BLOG WILL FEEL REAL BRITISHNESS. HE WILL WAVE UNION JACK AND PROUD TO SING GOD SAVE THE QUEEN OR RULE BRITANIA. TODAY WE CAN'T BE PROUD OF OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE WE DO NOT OWN IT. MEGA RICH OUTSIDERS RULING IT BY CORRUPTION.[/p][/quote]http://voices.yahoo. com/10-best-rules-ne tiquette-1952570.htm l Rule number 4. Still can't believe in this day and age people still type in capitals. BlueRay79
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3:25pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Back oth Bank Boy says...

BlueRay79 wrote:
Back oth Bank Boy wrote:
IT MUST START AT THE TOP. OUR RULING POLITICIANS AT NATIONAL AND LOCAL LEVEL STOP SUPPORTING MEGA CORPORATIONS BY GIVING
THEM FREE POWER TO ROB BRITISH PEOPLE AT SUPER MARKETS, BANKS, GAS, ELECTRIC,WATER SUPPLY, HEALTH AND EDUCATION THEN BRITISH JOE BLOG WILL FEEL REAL BRITISHNESS. HE WILL WAVE UNION JACK AND PROUD TO SING GOD SAVE THE QUEEN OR RULE BRITANIA. TODAY WE CAN'T BE PROUD OF OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE WE DO NOT OWN IT. MEGA RICH OUTSIDERS RULING IT BY CORRUPTION.
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THIS IS DIGITAL ANGER (CAPITAL WRITING)
[quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Back oth Bank Boy[/bold] wrote: IT MUST START AT THE TOP. OUR RULING POLITICIANS AT NATIONAL AND LOCAL LEVEL STOP SUPPORTING MEGA CORPORATIONS BY GIVING THEM FREE POWER TO ROB BRITISH PEOPLE AT SUPER MARKETS, BANKS, GAS, ELECTRIC,WATER SUPPLY, HEALTH AND EDUCATION THEN BRITISH JOE BLOG WILL FEEL REAL BRITISHNESS. HE WILL WAVE UNION JACK AND PROUD TO SING GOD SAVE THE QUEEN OR RULE BRITANIA. TODAY WE CAN'T BE PROUD OF OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE WE DO NOT OWN IT. MEGA RICH OUTSIDERS RULING IT BY CORRUPTION.[/p][/quote]http://voices.yahoo. com/10-best-rules-ne tiquette-1952570.htm l Rule number 4. Still can't believe in this day and age people still type in capitals.[/p][/quote]THIS IS DIGITAL ANGER (CAPITAL WRITING) Back oth Bank Boy
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4:04pm Mon 21 Apr 14

soup153 says...

Back oth Bank Boy wrote:
BlueRay79 wrote:
Back oth Bank Boy wrote:
IT MUST START AT THE TOP. OUR RULING POLITICIANS AT NATIONAL AND LOCAL LEVEL STOP SUPPORTING MEGA CORPORATIONS BY GIVING
THEM FREE POWER TO ROB BRITISH PEOPLE AT SUPER MARKETS, BANKS, GAS, ELECTRIC,WATER SUPPLY, HEALTH AND EDUCATION THEN BRITISH JOE BLOG WILL FEEL REAL BRITISHNESS. HE WILL WAVE UNION JACK AND PROUD TO SING GOD SAVE THE QUEEN OR RULE BRITANIA. TODAY WE CAN'T BE PROUD OF OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE WE DO NOT OWN IT. MEGA RICH OUTSIDERS RULING IT BY CORRUPTION.
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THIS IS DIGITAL ANGER (CAPITAL WRITING)
Sorry been in computers over 30 years it i'n a w@nk3r
[quote][p][bold]Back oth Bank Boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Back oth Bank Boy[/bold] wrote: IT MUST START AT THE TOP. OUR RULING POLITICIANS AT NATIONAL AND LOCAL LEVEL STOP SUPPORTING MEGA CORPORATIONS BY GIVING THEM FREE POWER TO ROB BRITISH PEOPLE AT SUPER MARKETS, BANKS, GAS, ELECTRIC,WATER SUPPLY, HEALTH AND EDUCATION THEN BRITISH JOE BLOG WILL FEEL REAL BRITISHNESS. HE WILL WAVE UNION JACK AND PROUD TO SING GOD SAVE THE QUEEN OR RULE BRITANIA. TODAY WE CAN'T BE PROUD OF OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE WE DO NOT OWN IT. MEGA RICH OUTSIDERS RULING IT BY CORRUPTION.[/p][/quote]http://voices.yahoo. com/10-best-rules-ne tiquette-1952570.htm l Rule number 4. Still can't believe in this day and age people still type in capitals.[/p][/quote]THIS IS DIGITAL ANGER (CAPITAL WRITING)[/p][/quote]Sorry been in computers over 30 years it i'n a w@nk3r soup153
  • Score: -5

4:49pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Gore Seer says...

I Envy Wales, And Scotland, They Fly There Own Flags , We Fly A Norman Flag.
I Envy Wales, And Scotland, They Fly There Own Flags , We Fly A Norman Flag. Gore Seer
  • Score: -3

4:56pm Mon 21 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

BlueRay79 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Just wait until the head teacher sees the budget for flag flying and how many flags will be required and then have to make a decision on what gets cut - education or flying a flag?

But if he had seen The Wright Stuff on Friday morning they had a American on the show and they talked about Bolton's proposals and the American said what I have been saying. The children go through the motions but they don't know what it is all about, and to a point they don't care because it is rammed down their throats so much. It has basically become mundane, rather than being something special!
Why how much do you think a flag per school is going to cost? They only need 1! and it's not like all schools are going to do it.

As for your bit on The Wright Stuff, please.
Do they, so when that is dirty or been battered too death after a few days because of the British weather another one is required then another and then another.

There is a school in Manchester and they go through over 25 flags in a school year, mainly because of weather but also due to vandalism by British vandals (as per CCTV and the later arrests) and then the cost of replacing the flag pole and the rope!!!!

Albeit it sounds like a good idea, it does add up, and where does that money come from?

As it is from a practical point of view doing this sort of this does neither educate nor make someone patriotic. It takes away from the school day and because it is done so often it become a mundane activity which the children go through and not relate to.

Also if you do not believe me about The Wright Stuff, it should be on Demand 5 - Good Friday's episode and it was the main talking point of the day (i.e. first story) - it was actually a well balanced debate from the celebrity contributors, audience and complete mix range of callers!
[quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Just wait until the head teacher sees the budget for flag flying and how many flags will be required and then have to make a decision on what gets cut - education or flying a flag? But if he had seen The Wright Stuff on Friday morning they had a American on the show and they talked about Bolton's proposals and the American said what I have been saying. The children go through the motions but they don't know what it is all about, and to a point they don't care because it is rammed down their throats so much. It has basically become mundane, rather than being something special![/p][/quote]Why how much do you think a flag per school is going to cost? They only need 1! and it's not like all schools are going to do it. As for your bit on The Wright Stuff, please.[/p][/quote]Do they, so when that is dirty or been battered too death after a few days because of the British weather another one is required then another and then another. There is a school in Manchester and they go through over 25 flags in a school year, mainly because of weather but also due to vandalism by British vandals (as per CCTV and the later arrests) and then the cost of replacing the flag pole and the rope!!!! Albeit it sounds like a good idea, it does add up, and where does that money come from? As it is from a practical point of view doing this sort of this does neither educate nor make someone patriotic. It takes away from the school day and because it is done so often it become a mundane activity which the children go through and not relate to. Also if you do not believe me about The Wright Stuff, it should be on Demand 5 - Good Friday's episode and it was the main talking point of the day (i.e. first story) - it was actually a well balanced debate from the celebrity contributors, audience and complete mix range of callers! The Righteous One
  • Score: -63

5:00pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Daverdino says...

Wouldn't it make sense to wait and see what happens with Scottish Independence first? There might not be a Union Flag in a few months.
Wouldn't it make sense to wait and see what happens with Scottish Independence first? There might not be a Union Flag in a few months. Daverdino
  • Score: 11

5:15pm Mon 21 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

Most schools would have a flag already as should most public buildings. What i like about this decision is it is a decision by a democratic vote from people who were given the power to decide for the people who voted for them.
Most schools would have a flag already as should most public buildings. What i like about this decision is it is a decision by a democratic vote from people who were given the power to decide for the people who voted for them. thomas222
  • Score: 9

5:27pm Mon 21 Apr 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

While I support this idea of flying the British flag, what I cannot tolerate are these foreigners in and around Bolton that fly the flag of their own country from their house. I think it is utterly disgusting.
While I support this idea of flying the British flag, what I cannot tolerate are these foreigners in and around Bolton that fly the flag of their own country from their house. I think it is utterly disgusting. FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 57

5:47pm Mon 21 Apr 14

BlueRay79 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
BlueRay79 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Just wait until the head teacher sees the budget for flag flying and how many flags will be required and then have to make a decision on what gets cut - education or flying a flag?

But if he had seen The Wright Stuff on Friday morning they had a American on the show and they talked about Bolton's proposals and the American said what I have been saying. The children go through the motions but they don't know what it is all about, and to a point they don't care because it is rammed down their throats so much. It has basically become mundane, rather than being something special!
Why how much do you think a flag per school is going to cost? They only need 1! and it's not like all schools are going to do it.

As for your bit on The Wright Stuff, please.
Do they, so when that is dirty or been battered too death after a few days because of the British weather another one is required then another and then another.

There is a school in Manchester and they go through over 25 flags in a school year, mainly because of weather but also due to vandalism by British vandals (as per CCTV and the later arrests) and then the cost of replacing the flag pole and the rope!!!!

Albeit it sounds like a good idea, it does add up, and where does that money come from?

As it is from a practical point of view doing this sort of this does neither educate nor make someone patriotic. It takes away from the school day and because it is done so often it become a mundane activity which the children go through and not relate to.

Also if you do not believe me about The Wright Stuff, it should be on Demand 5 - Good Friday's episode and it was the main talking point of the day (i.e. first story) - it was actually a well balanced debate from the celebrity contributors, audience and complete mix range of callers!
Hahahahahah, I knew you were going to come up with some poor excuse about going through many flags. If they put them at height, they should be out of the way of vandals.

As for weather...there are many flags round Bolton that have been fine through severe weather. I've noticed the one near the gates to Egerton House has been there years without issue and it's windy up there!

I wonder what them "British Vandals" want with 25 flags?

Matthew Right is a t%t and his show is a complete waste of air space. So sadly, I won't be watching that on catch up.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Just wait until the head teacher sees the budget for flag flying and how many flags will be required and then have to make a decision on what gets cut - education or flying a flag? But if he had seen The Wright Stuff on Friday morning they had a American on the show and they talked about Bolton's proposals and the American said what I have been saying. The children go through the motions but they don't know what it is all about, and to a point they don't care because it is rammed down their throats so much. It has basically become mundane, rather than being something special![/p][/quote]Why how much do you think a flag per school is going to cost? They only need 1! and it's not like all schools are going to do it. As for your bit on The Wright Stuff, please.[/p][/quote]Do they, so when that is dirty or been battered too death after a few days because of the British weather another one is required then another and then another. There is a school in Manchester and they go through over 25 flags in a school year, mainly because of weather but also due to vandalism by British vandals (as per CCTV and the later arrests) and then the cost of replacing the flag pole and the rope!!!! Albeit it sounds like a good idea, it does add up, and where does that money come from? As it is from a practical point of view doing this sort of this does neither educate nor make someone patriotic. It takes away from the school day and because it is done so often it become a mundane activity which the children go through and not relate to. Also if you do not believe me about The Wright Stuff, it should be on Demand 5 - Good Friday's episode and it was the main talking point of the day (i.e. first story) - it was actually a well balanced debate from the celebrity contributors, audience and complete mix range of callers![/p][/quote]Hahahahahah, I knew you were going to come up with some poor excuse about going through many flags. If they put them at height, they should be out of the way of vandals. As for weather...there are many flags round Bolton that have been fine through severe weather. I've noticed the one near the gates to Egerton House has been there years without issue and it's windy up there! I wonder what them "British Vandals" want with 25 flags? Matthew Right is a t%t and his show is a complete waste of air space. So sadly, I won't be watching that on catch up. BlueRay79
  • Score: 8

5:53pm Mon 21 Apr 14

BlueRay79 says...

Gore Seer wrote:
I Envy Wales, And Scotland, They Fly There Own Flags , We Fly A Norman Flag.
So you keep saying. Do you want to point us to a reference? The coat of arms for the Normans and flag were nothing like our flag today. What are you referring too?
[quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: I Envy Wales, And Scotland, They Fly There Own Flags , We Fly A Norman Flag.[/p][/quote]So you keep saying. Do you want to point us to a reference? The coat of arms for the Normans and flag were nothing like our flag today. What are you referring too? BlueRay79
  • Score: 4

6:16pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Gore Seer says...

BlueRay79 wrote:
Gore Seer wrote:
I Envy Wales, And Scotland, They Fly There Own Flags , We Fly A Norman Flag.
So you keep saying. Do you want to point us to a reference? The coat of arms for the Normans and flag were nothing like our flag today. What are you referring too?
The Red Cross Was Used By King Philip Of France, In The Crusades, Henry The Second Had A White Cross, And Later Changed It For The Red Cross Get My Point Now.
[quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: I Envy Wales, And Scotland, They Fly There Own Flags , We Fly A Norman Flag.[/p][/quote]So you keep saying. Do you want to point us to a reference? The coat of arms for the Normans and flag were nothing like our flag today. What are you referring too?[/p][/quote]The Red Cross Was Used By King Philip Of France, In The Crusades, Henry The Second Had A White Cross, And Later Changed It For The Red Cross Get My Point Now. Gore Seer
  • Score: -5

7:11pm Mon 21 Apr 14

BlueRay79 says...

Gore Seer wrote:
BlueRay79 wrote:
Gore Seer wrote:
I Envy Wales, And Scotland, They Fly There Own Flags , We Fly A Norman Flag.
So you keep saying. Do you want to point us to a reference? The coat of arms for the Normans and flag were nothing like our flag today. What are you referring too?
The Red Cross Was Used By King Philip Of France, In The Crusades, Henry The Second Had A White Cross, And Later Changed It For The Red Cross Get My Point Now.
Haha, no quite frankly I don't get your point. Point me to a wiki of some sort to try and explain what you are talking about because quite frankly you have lost me.
[quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: I Envy Wales, And Scotland, They Fly There Own Flags , We Fly A Norman Flag.[/p][/quote]So you keep saying. Do you want to point us to a reference? The coat of arms for the Normans and flag were nothing like our flag today. What are you referring too?[/p][/quote]The Red Cross Was Used By King Philip Of France, In The Crusades, Henry The Second Had A White Cross, And Later Changed It For The Red Cross Get My Point Now.[/p][/quote]Haha, no quite frankly I don't get your point. Point me to a wiki of some sort to try and explain what you are talking about because quite frankly you have lost me. BlueRay79
  • Score: 3

7:31pm Mon 21 Apr 14

BlueRay79 says...

Gore Seer wrote:
BlueRay79 wrote:
Gore Seer wrote:
I Envy Wales, And Scotland, They Fly There Own Flags , We Fly A Norman Flag.
So you keep saying. Do you want to point us to a reference? The coat of arms for the Normans and flag were nothing like our flag today. What are you referring too?
The Red Cross Was Used By King Philip Of France, In The Crusades, Henry The Second Had A White Cross, And Later Changed It For The Red Cross Get My Point Now.
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Union_Jack
[quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: I Envy Wales, And Scotland, They Fly There Own Flags , We Fly A Norman Flag.[/p][/quote]So you keep saying. Do you want to point us to a reference? The coat of arms for the Normans and flag were nothing like our flag today. What are you referring too?[/p][/quote]The Red Cross Was Used By King Philip Of France, In The Crusades, Henry The Second Had A White Cross, And Later Changed It For The Red Cross Get My Point Now.[/p][/quote]http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Union_Jack BlueRay79
  • Score: -1

8:00pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Beyond News Forum says...

This isn't Great Britain, I do not wish to support a family of vampires in a palace and I find it disgraceful that the schools are not being encouraged to fly the true national flag of England!

And who gives a feck what some jumped up corporate elitist supporting scumbag MP thinks anyway?
This isn't Great Britain, I do not wish to support a family of vampires in a palace and I find it disgraceful that the schools are not being encouraged to fly the true national flag of England! And who gives a feck what some jumped up corporate elitist supporting scumbag MP thinks anyway? Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 4

8:10pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Oh and the report: More than half new primary pupils struggle to speak English

WTF?
Oh and the report: More than half new primary pupils struggle to speak English WTF? Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 5

8:39pm Mon 21 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

BlueRay79 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
BlueRay79 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Just wait until the head teacher sees the budget for flag flying and how many flags will be required and then have to make a decision on what gets cut - education or flying a flag?

But if he had seen The Wright Stuff on Friday morning they had a American on the show and they talked about Bolton's proposals and the American said what I have been saying. The children go through the motions but they don't know what it is all about, and to a point they don't care because it is rammed down their throats so much. It has basically become mundane, rather than being something special!
Why how much do you think a flag per school is going to cost? They only need 1! and it's not like all schools are going to do it.

As for your bit on The Wright Stuff, please.
Do they, so when that is dirty or been battered too death after a few days because of the British weather another one is required then another and then another.

There is a school in Manchester and they go through over 25 flags in a school year, mainly because of weather but also due to vandalism by British vandals (as per CCTV and the later arrests) and then the cost of replacing the flag pole and the rope!!!!

Albeit it sounds like a good idea, it does add up, and where does that money come from?

As it is from a practical point of view doing this sort of this does neither educate nor make someone patriotic. It takes away from the school day and because it is done so often it become a mundane activity which the children go through and not relate to.

Also if you do not believe me about The Wright Stuff, it should be on Demand 5 - Good Friday's episode and it was the main talking point of the day (i.e. first story) - it was actually a well balanced debate from the celebrity contributors, audience and complete mix range of callers!
Hahahahahah, I knew you were going to come up with some poor excuse about going through many flags. If they put them at height, they should be out of the way of vandals.

As for weather...there are many flags round Bolton that have been fine through severe weather. I've noticed the one near the gates to Egerton House has been there years without issue and it's windy up there!

I wonder what them "British Vandals" want with 25 flags?

Matthew Right is a t%t and his show is a complete waste of air space. So sadly, I won't be watching that on catch up.
Actually the one at Egerton House is the fifth one this year - they replace it every few weeks, I use the same supplier as them, and they are based in Cheetham Hill (by a company run by Czech ex-pats!!!).

A least Matthew Wright lets people have a say and doesn't degenerate into calling people names or using disgusting language - he allows for debate.

It seems someoone here doesn't - and it isn''t me!
[quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Just wait until the head teacher sees the budget for flag flying and how many flags will be required and then have to make a decision on what gets cut - education or flying a flag? But if he had seen The Wright Stuff on Friday morning they had a American on the show and they talked about Bolton's proposals and the American said what I have been saying. The children go through the motions but they don't know what it is all about, and to a point they don't care because it is rammed down their throats so much. It has basically become mundane, rather than being something special![/p][/quote]Why how much do you think a flag per school is going to cost? They only need 1! and it's not like all schools are going to do it. As for your bit on The Wright Stuff, please.[/p][/quote]Do they, so when that is dirty or been battered too death after a few days because of the British weather another one is required then another and then another. There is a school in Manchester and they go through over 25 flags in a school year, mainly because of weather but also due to vandalism by British vandals (as per CCTV and the later arrests) and then the cost of replacing the flag pole and the rope!!!! Albeit it sounds like a good idea, it does add up, and where does that money come from? As it is from a practical point of view doing this sort of this does neither educate nor make someone patriotic. It takes away from the school day and because it is done so often it become a mundane activity which the children go through and not relate to. Also if you do not believe me about The Wright Stuff, it should be on Demand 5 - Good Friday's episode and it was the main talking point of the day (i.e. first story) - it was actually a well balanced debate from the celebrity contributors, audience and complete mix range of callers![/p][/quote]Hahahahahah, I knew you were going to come up with some poor excuse about going through many flags. If they put them at height, they should be out of the way of vandals. As for weather...there are many flags round Bolton that have been fine through severe weather. I've noticed the one near the gates to Egerton House has been there years without issue and it's windy up there! I wonder what them "British Vandals" want with 25 flags? Matthew Right is a t%t and his show is a complete waste of air space. So sadly, I won't be watching that on catch up.[/p][/quote]Actually the one at Egerton House is the fifth one this year - they replace it every few weeks, I use the same supplier as them, and they are based in Cheetham Hill (by a company run by Czech ex-pats!!!). A least Matthew Wright lets people have a say and doesn't degenerate into calling people names or using disgusting language - he allows for debate. It seems someoone here doesn't - and it isn''t me! The Righteous One
  • Score: -48

8:55pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Home is where the heart is says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Oh and the report: More than half new primary pupils struggle to speak English

WTF?
Yeah,Just read that report.No wonder the leftie BN decided to ban comments on it.
Vote UKIP people,they are our only hope of reversing this madness created by Labour and ignored by the conservatives.
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Oh and the report: More than half new primary pupils struggle to speak English WTF?[/p][/quote]Yeah,Just read that report.No wonder the leftie BN decided to ban comments on it. Vote UKIP people,they are our only hope of reversing this madness created by Labour and ignored by the conservatives. Home is where the heart is
  • Score: 12

8:59pm Mon 21 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

Home is where the heart is wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Oh and the report: More than half new primary pupils struggle to speak English

WTF?
Yeah,Just read that report.No wonder the leftie BN decided to ban comments on it.
Vote UKIP people,they are our only hope of reversing this madness created by Labour and ignored by the conservatives.
Good Man!
[quote][p][bold]Home is where the heart is[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Oh and the report: More than half new primary pupils struggle to speak English WTF?[/p][/quote]Yeah,Just read that report.No wonder the leftie BN decided to ban comments on it. Vote UKIP people,they are our only hope of reversing this madness created by Labour and ignored by the conservatives.[/p][/quote]Good Man! thomas222
  • Score: 5

9:17pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Phil from Smithills says...

As the article says, they fly their flags in USA & Canada. And in the USA they also fly just beneath the Stars & Stripes usually the State flag.

So we should also fly our Red Rose county flag just beneath the Union flag.
As the article says, they fly their flags in USA & Canada. And in the USA they also fly just beneath the Stars & Stripes usually the State flag. So we should also fly our Red Rose county flag just beneath the Union flag. Phil from Smithills
  • Score: 11

9:59pm Mon 21 Apr 14

CarlXVIGustaf says...

Welcome to Broken Britain
Welcome to Broken Britain CarlXVIGustaf
  • Score: -3

10:33pm Mon 21 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
Home is where the heart is wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Oh and the report: More than half new primary pupils struggle to speak English

WTF?
Yeah,Just read that report.No wonder the leftie BN decided to ban comments on it.
Vote UKIP people,they are our only hope of reversing this madness created by Labour and ignored by the conservatives.
Good Man!
UKIP - the party that STEALS tax-paayers money so Farage can keep his mistress and German wife happy!!! And yet if it was any other party Farage would bee wanting the person to be sacked - hypocrite!

UKIP - the party that STEALS tax-payers money to promote itself when it is against the rules to do so!!! And yet if it was any other party Farage would be wanting the person to be sacked - hypocrite!

UKIP - the party that is funded by merchant bankers - the exact same people who took this country and the rest of the world into the deepest recession ever!!!

UKIP - the party that allows it hierarchy to have people who believe that women of child bearing age should not be working, believes in racist slurs (including Bolton branches Thomas Ryder - aka Thomas222), believe that the recent wintery weather was brought about by gay marriages - and many many more madness thoughts!

UKIP - the party that lies about the facts and then has to backtrack (far to many to mention on this post)

UKIP - also having to respond to racist claims over its latest poster campaign!!!

UKIP - in many local elections using FAKE data to promote fear amongst the locals!!!

UKIP - the party that likes to promote patriotism but only if they like the person who is also patriotic otherwise they cherry-pick a to what is patriotic or not - such as this article in which the head teacher does NOT support singing the National Anthem, but Thomas222 still agrees with the headteacher but only Friday was condemning anyone who wasn't wholly patriotic - national anthem and all!!! Therefore thomas222 is showing hypocrisy!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Home is where the heart is[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Oh and the report: More than half new primary pupils struggle to speak English WTF?[/p][/quote]Yeah,Just read that report.No wonder the leftie BN decided to ban comments on it. Vote UKIP people,they are our only hope of reversing this madness created by Labour and ignored by the conservatives.[/p][/quote]Good Man![/p][/quote]UKIP - the party that STEALS tax-paayers money so Farage can keep his mistress and German wife happy!!! And yet if it was any other party Farage would bee wanting the person to be sacked - hypocrite! UKIP - the party that STEALS tax-payers money to promote itself when it is against the rules to do so!!! And yet if it was any other party Farage would be wanting the person to be sacked - hypocrite! UKIP - the party that is funded by merchant bankers - the exact same people who took this country and the rest of the world into the deepest recession ever!!! UKIP - the party that allows it hierarchy to have people who believe that women of child bearing age should not be working, believes in racist slurs (including Bolton branches Thomas Ryder - aka Thomas222), believe that the recent wintery weather was brought about by gay marriages - and many many more madness thoughts! UKIP - the party that lies about the facts and then has to backtrack (far to many to mention on this post) UKIP - also having to respond to racist claims over its latest poster campaign!!! UKIP - in many local elections using FAKE data to promote fear amongst the locals!!! UKIP - the party that likes to promote patriotism but only if they like the person who is also patriotic otherwise they cherry-pick a to what is patriotic or not - such as this article in which the head teacher does NOT support singing the National Anthem, but Thomas222 still agrees with the headteacher but only Friday was condemning anyone who wasn't wholly patriotic - national anthem and all!!! Therefore thomas222 is showing hypocrisy!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -42

10:44pm Mon 21 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Lets see if you are truly patriotic by taking these example questions from British Citizen Test 9taken from the actual Government website) and these tests are taken for those who want to be patriotic British citizens - therefore we all should get 100%, just like those becoming British citizens have to get 100%. 10 minutes is given (on, and by the way I actually 100% although I had to guess on one question)

1. Which of these words does not appear in the new citizen’s pledge?
Loyalty
England
Duties
Freedoms

2. In which TWO places are arrangements different for taking your Life in the UK test?
Ireland
Isle of Man
Channel Islands
Scotland

3. Where does the UK Parliament sit?
Stormont
The House of Lords
Downing Street
Westminster

4. Which TWO of the following names may be given to the day before Lent starts? (Select 2 answers)
Good Friday
Pancake Day
Ash Wednesday
Shrove Tuesday

5. During the English Civil War, in which TWO battles was Charles Is army defeated? (Select 2 answers)
Battle of Bosworth Field
Battle of Marston Moor
Battle of Hastings
Battle of Naseby

6. What is New Years Eve called in Scotland?
Hagmanay
Hugmanay
Hopmanay
Hogmanay

7. In a Crown Court, who decides the verdict of ‘guilty’ or ‘not guilty’?
The judge
The barrister
The defendant
The jury

8. A driving licence from which of these countries is not equally valid in the UK?
France
Iceland
Norway
USA

9. George Frederick Handel, the German-born composer, who became a British citizen, wrote which of the following?
Water Music
Messiah
Music for the Royal Fireworks
All of the above

10. In the UK, Christmas Day on 25 December is a public holiday and celebrates the birth of whom?
Jesus Christ
Joseph of Arimathea
Noah
Moses
Lets see if you are truly patriotic by taking these example questions from British Citizen Test 9taken from the actual Government website) and these tests are taken for those who want to be patriotic British citizens - therefore we all should get 100%, just like those becoming British citizens have to get 100%. 10 minutes is given (on, and by the way I actually 100% although I had to guess on one question) 1. Which of these words does not appear in the new citizen’s pledge? [A] Loyalty [B] England [C] Duties [D] Freedoms 2. In which TWO places are arrangements different for taking your Life in the UK test? [A] Ireland [B] Isle of Man [C] Channel Islands [D] Scotland 3. Where does the UK Parliament sit? [A] Stormont [B] The House of Lords [C] Downing Street [D] Westminster 4. Which TWO of the following names may be given to the day before Lent starts? (Select 2 answers) [A] Good Friday [B] Pancake Day [C] Ash Wednesday [D] Shrove Tuesday 5. During the English Civil War, in which TWO battles was Charles Is army defeated? (Select 2 answers) [A] Battle of Bosworth Field [B] Battle of Marston Moor [C] Battle of Hastings [D] Battle of Naseby 6. What is New Years Eve called in Scotland? [A] Hagmanay [B] Hugmanay [C] Hopmanay [D] Hogmanay 7. In a Crown Court, who decides the verdict of ‘guilty’ or ‘not guilty’? [A] The judge [B] The barrister [C] The defendant [D] The jury 8. A driving licence from which of these countries is not equally valid in the UK? [A] France [B] Iceland [C] Norway [D] USA 9. George Frederick Handel, the German-born composer, who became a British citizen, wrote which of the following? [A] Water Music [B] Messiah [C] Music for the Royal Fireworks [D] All of the above 10. In the UK, Christmas Day on 25 December is a public holiday and celebrates the birth of whom? [A] Jesus Christ [B] Joseph of Arimathea [C] Noah [D] Moses The Righteous One
  • Score: -29

10:58pm Mon 21 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

“The number of primary school youngsters rose by 779 from October 2012 to 2013 and of those 387 had a mother tongue other than English.”

So that means 392 whose FIRST language is English are struggling!!!

That is more than half of the additional 779. And yet pathetic individuals, and poltical parties, are blaming immigrants for not being able to speak English when the majority of those struggling are actually from BRITISH families!!!!


“A breakdown of the figures also showed that although the secondary school population dropped by 270 to 16,413, there was an increase of children with English as an additional language. This had increased by 74 to 488 pupils.”

So we know that 488 pupils out of 16,413 can speak two languages which seem to be a proficient/natural ability due to the fact that the report does not state that these secondary children are struggling!!! So when these children leave school and start work, they will already have an advantage over those who can only speak one language and they will undoubtedly earn more money because of the linguistic skills!! But pathetic individual, and political parties, seem to not want that and we only speak one language, thus putting our country down and as such putting our country at risk at losing out on contracts due to the lack of linguistic skills!!!

How many of you can speak more than one language? I know I can proficiently speak four languages, which includes my mother tongue of English!!! When I was learning Dutch my lessons were paid for by the Government and they cost €1125 per annum - including the national tests, which I passed with flying colours! So £250 is a drop in the sea, compared to other countries, who help our migrant workers to learn our language!!!

And you call yourselves patriotic just because you want to send this country back into the dark ages!!!
“The number of primary school youngsters rose by 779 from October 2012 to 2013 and of those 387 had a mother tongue other than English.” So that means 392 whose FIRST language is English are struggling!!! That is more than half of the additional 779. And yet pathetic individuals, and poltical parties, are blaming immigrants for not being able to speak English when the majority of those struggling are actually from BRITISH families!!!! “A breakdown of the figures also showed that although the secondary school population dropped by 270 to 16,413, there was an increase of children with English as an additional language. This had increased by 74 to 488 pupils.” So we know that 488 pupils out of 16,413 can speak two languages which seem to be a proficient/natural ability due to the fact that the report does not state that these secondary children are struggling!!! So when these children leave school and start work, they will already have an advantage over those who can only speak one language and they will undoubtedly earn more money because of the linguistic skills!! But pathetic individual, and political parties, seem to not want that and we only speak one language, thus putting our country down and as such putting our country at risk at losing out on contracts due to the lack of linguistic skills!!! How many of you can speak more than one language? I know I can proficiently speak four languages, which includes my mother tongue of English!!! When I was learning Dutch my lessons were paid for by the Government and they cost €1125 per annum - including the national tests, which I passed with flying colours! So £250 is a drop in the sea, compared to other countries, who help our migrant workers to learn our language!!! And you call yourselves patriotic just because you want to send this country back into the dark ages!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -38

11:04pm Mon 21 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

BlueRay79 wrote:
Gore Seer wrote:
BlueRay79 wrote:
Gore Seer wrote:
I Envy Wales, And Scotland, They Fly There Own Flags , We Fly A Norman Flag.
So you keep saying. Do you want to point us to a reference? The coat of arms for the Normans and flag were nothing like our flag today. What are you referring too?
The Red Cross Was Used By King Philip Of France, In The Crusades, Henry The Second Had A White Cross, And Later Changed It For The Red Cross Get My Point Now.
Haha, no quite frankly I don't get your point. Point me to a wiki of some sort to try and explain what you are talking about because quite frankly you have lost me.
You wanted a "Wiki" reference - here you go.

Although Gore Seer may not see eye to eye on the majority of subjects - I totally uphold what he says and seems to be more patriotic than a lot on here as he is standing up for ENGLAND and not the United Kingdom. There may not even be a United Kingdom come September 15th (so Thomas can cry over his Scottish brothers and sister for not being truly patriotic!!!)

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Flag_of_Eng
land
[quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: I Envy Wales, And Scotland, They Fly There Own Flags , We Fly A Norman Flag.[/p][/quote]So you keep saying. Do you want to point us to a reference? The coat of arms for the Normans and flag were nothing like our flag today. What are you referring too?[/p][/quote]The Red Cross Was Used By King Philip Of France, In The Crusades, Henry The Second Had A White Cross, And Later Changed It For The Red Cross Get My Point Now.[/p][/quote]Haha, no quite frankly I don't get your point. Point me to a wiki of some sort to try and explain what you are talking about because quite frankly you have lost me.[/p][/quote]You wanted a "Wiki" reference - here you go. Although Gore Seer may not see eye to eye on the majority of subjects - I totally uphold what he says and seems to be more patriotic than a lot on here as he is standing up for ENGLAND and not the United Kingdom. There may not even be a United Kingdom come September 15th (so Thomas can cry over his Scottish brothers and sister for not being truly patriotic!!!) http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Flag_of_Eng land The Righteous One
  • Score: -36

11:20pm Mon 21 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Phil from Smithills wrote:
As the article says, they fly their flags in USA & Canada. And in the USA they also fly just beneath the Stars & Stripes usually the State flag.

So we should also fly our Red Rose county flag just beneath the Union flag.
Do they?

Funny I have been to the States over a doze times and yes although they do tend to fly a lot of their flag I very rarely see the state flag - and I have been to New England, California (who are actually wanting independence and their GDP is far larger than many Western countries!!!!), Florida, New York, New Jersey.

Texas, Hawaii and Alaska seem to be the only States I know of that fly the state flag as well as the Stars and Stripes!

But you ask the majority of US citizens if they feel patriotic about the flag flying the majority will say not really as it flies there every day and they just tend to ignore it. Patriotism is more about their troops, and the sporting events they excel in!!! Patriotism, in the US has lost its specialness (it has a resurgence after 11/9 but since then it has become an everyday thing and mundane and is NOT special to the majority!!!)

As it is, if we followed the US route then under the Union flag we should be flying the St Georges fag and NOT the red rose of Lancashire due to the fact that our "state/country" of the " United Kingdom" is ENGLAND, and last time I looked Lancashire has never been a country!!!
[quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: As the article says, they fly their flags in USA & Canada. And in the USA they also fly just beneath the Stars & Stripes usually the State flag. So we should also fly our Red Rose county flag just beneath the Union flag.[/p][/quote]Do they? Funny I have been to the States over a doze times and yes although they do tend to fly a lot of their flag I very rarely see the state flag - and I have been to New England, California (who are actually wanting independence and their GDP is far larger than many Western countries!!!!), Florida, New York, New Jersey. Texas, Hawaii and Alaska seem to be the only States I know of that fly the state flag as well as the Stars and Stripes! But you ask the majority of US citizens if they feel patriotic about the flag flying the majority will say not really as it flies there every day and they just tend to ignore it. Patriotism is more about their troops, and the sporting events they excel in!!! Patriotism, in the US has lost its specialness (it has a resurgence after 11/9 but since then it has become an everyday thing and mundane and is NOT special to the majority!!!) As it is, if we followed the US route then under the Union flag we should be flying the St Georges fag and NOT the red rose of Lancashire due to the fact that our "state/country" of the " United Kingdom" is ENGLAND, and last time I looked Lancashire has never been a country!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -34

11:24pm Mon 21 Apr 14

BlueRay79 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
BlueRay79 wrote:
Gore Seer wrote:
BlueRay79 wrote:
Gore Seer wrote:
I Envy Wales, And Scotland, They Fly There Own Flags , We Fly A Norman Flag.
So you keep saying. Do you want to point us to a reference? The coat of arms for the Normans and flag were nothing like our flag today. What are you referring too?
The Red Cross Was Used By King Philip Of France, In The Crusades, Henry The Second Had A White Cross, And Later Changed It For The Red Cross Get My Point Now.
Haha, no quite frankly I don't get your point. Point me to a wiki of some sort to try and explain what you are talking about because quite frankly you have lost me.
You wanted a "Wiki" reference - here you go.

Although Gore Seer may not see eye to eye on the majority of subjects - I totally uphold what he says and seems to be more patriotic than a lot on here as he is standing up for ENGLAND and not the United Kingdom. There may not even be a United Kingdom come September 15th (so Thomas can cry over his Scottish brothers and sister for not being truly patriotic!!!)

http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/Flag_of_Eng

land
I still don't get the point about a Nordic flag? Where is the comparison or did I miss it on that page?
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: I Envy Wales, And Scotland, They Fly There Own Flags , We Fly A Norman Flag.[/p][/quote]So you keep saying. Do you want to point us to a reference? The coat of arms for the Normans and flag were nothing like our flag today. What are you referring too?[/p][/quote]The Red Cross Was Used By King Philip Of France, In The Crusades, Henry The Second Had A White Cross, And Later Changed It For The Red Cross Get My Point Now.[/p][/quote]Haha, no quite frankly I don't get your point. Point me to a wiki of some sort to try and explain what you are talking about because quite frankly you have lost me.[/p][/quote]You wanted a "Wiki" reference - here you go. Although Gore Seer may not see eye to eye on the majority of subjects - I totally uphold what he says and seems to be more patriotic than a lot on here as he is standing up for ENGLAND and not the United Kingdom. There may not even be a United Kingdom come September 15th (so Thomas can cry over his Scottish brothers and sister for not being truly patriotic!!!) http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Flag_of_Eng land[/p][/quote]I still don't get the point about a Nordic flag? Where is the comparison or did I miss it on that page? BlueRay79
  • Score: 1

11:28pm Mon 21 Apr 14

BlueRay79 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
BlueRay79 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
BlueRay79 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Just wait until the head teacher sees the budget for flag flying and how many flags will be required and then have to make a decision on what gets cut - education or flying a flag?

But if he had seen The Wright Stuff on Friday morning they had a American on the show and they talked about Bolton's proposals and the American said what I have been saying. The children go through the motions but they don't know what it is all about, and to a point they don't care because it is rammed down their throats so much. It has basically become mundane, rather than being something special!
Why how much do you think a flag per school is going to cost? They only need 1! and it's not like all schools are going to do it.

As for your bit on The Wright Stuff, please.
Do they, so when that is dirty or been battered too death after a few days because of the British weather another one is required then another and then another.

There is a school in Manchester and they go through over 25 flags in a school year, mainly because of weather but also due to vandalism by British vandals (as per CCTV and the later arrests) and then the cost of replacing the flag pole and the rope!!!!

Albeit it sounds like a good idea, it does add up, and where does that money come from?

As it is from a practical point of view doing this sort of this does neither educate nor make someone patriotic. It takes away from the school day and because it is done so often it become a mundane activity which the children go through and not relate to.

Also if you do not believe me about The Wright Stuff, it should be on Demand 5 - Good Friday's episode and it was the main talking point of the day (i.e. first story) - it was actually a well balanced debate from the celebrity contributors, audience and complete mix range of callers!
Hahahahahah, I knew you were going to come up with some poor excuse about going through many flags. If they put them at height, they should be out of the way of vandals.

As for weather...there are many flags round Bolton that have been fine through severe weather. I've noticed the one near the gates to Egerton House has been there years without issue and it's windy up there!

I wonder what them "British Vandals" want with 25 flags?

Matthew Right is a t%t and his show is a complete waste of air space. So sadly, I won't be watching that on catch up.
Actually the one at Egerton House is the fifth one this year - they replace it every few weeks, I use the same supplier as them, and they are based in Cheetham Hill (by a company run by Czech ex-pats!!!).

A least Matthew Wright lets people have a say and doesn't degenerate into calling people names or using disgusting language - he allows for debate.

It seems someoone here doesn't - and it isn''t me!
Now I know your a liar, I live on the same row as that house and it's never been changed in years! You my friend are a liar and a troll. Next you'll be telling us you live at that house and you change the flag!

The flag has not been changed, I see it out of my window every morning when I wake up and it makes me smile. It's never been subject to vandals and it didn't blow down in any of the recent high winds we had.

Your what the French call a Billy Bullshitter!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Just wait until the head teacher sees the budget for flag flying and how many flags will be required and then have to make a decision on what gets cut - education or flying a flag? But if he had seen The Wright Stuff on Friday morning they had a American on the show and they talked about Bolton's proposals and the American said what I have been saying. The children go through the motions but they don't know what it is all about, and to a point they don't care because it is rammed down their throats so much. It has basically become mundane, rather than being something special![/p][/quote]Why how much do you think a flag per school is going to cost? They only need 1! and it's not like all schools are going to do it. As for your bit on The Wright Stuff, please.[/p][/quote]Do they, so when that is dirty or been battered too death after a few days because of the British weather another one is required then another and then another. There is a school in Manchester and they go through over 25 flags in a school year, mainly because of weather but also due to vandalism by British vandals (as per CCTV and the later arrests) and then the cost of replacing the flag pole and the rope!!!! Albeit it sounds like a good idea, it does add up, and where does that money come from? As it is from a practical point of view doing this sort of this does neither educate nor make someone patriotic. It takes away from the school day and because it is done so often it become a mundane activity which the children go through and not relate to. Also if you do not believe me about The Wright Stuff, it should be on Demand 5 - Good Friday's episode and it was the main talking point of the day (i.e. first story) - it was actually a well balanced debate from the celebrity contributors, audience and complete mix range of callers![/p][/quote]Hahahahahah, I knew you were going to come up with some poor excuse about going through many flags. If they put them at height, they should be out of the way of vandals. As for weather...there are many flags round Bolton that have been fine through severe weather. I've noticed the one near the gates to Egerton House has been there years without issue and it's windy up there! I wonder what them "British Vandals" want with 25 flags? Matthew Right is a t%t and his show is a complete waste of air space. So sadly, I won't be watching that on catch up.[/p][/quote]Actually the one at Egerton House is the fifth one this year - they replace it every few weeks, I use the same supplier as them, and they are based in Cheetham Hill (by a company run by Czech ex-pats!!!). A least Matthew Wright lets people have a say and doesn't degenerate into calling people names or using disgusting language - he allows for debate. It seems someoone here doesn't - and it isn''t me![/p][/quote]Now I know your a liar, I live on the same row as that house and it's never been changed in years! You my friend are a liar and a troll. Next you'll be telling us you live at that house and you change the flag! The flag has not been changed, I see it out of my window every morning when I wake up and it makes me smile. It's never been subject to vandals and it didn't blow down in any of the recent high winds we had. Your what the French call a Billy Bullshitter! BlueRay79
  • Score: 7

11:42pm Mon 21 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

BlueRay79 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
BlueRay79 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
BlueRay79 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Just wait until the head teacher sees the budget for flag flying and how many flags will be required and then have to make a decision on what gets cut - education or flying a flag?

But if he had seen The Wright Stuff on Friday morning they had a American on the show and they talked about Bolton's proposals and the American said what I have been saying. The children go through the motions but they don't know what it is all about, and to a point they don't care because it is rammed down their throats so much. It has basically become mundane, rather than being something special!
Why how much do you think a flag per school is going to cost? They only need 1! and it's not like all schools are going to do it.

As for your bit on The Wright Stuff, please.
Do they, so when that is dirty or been battered too death after a few days because of the British weather another one is required then another and then another.

There is a school in Manchester and they go through over 25 flags in a school year, mainly because of weather but also due to vandalism by British vandals (as per CCTV and the later arrests) and then the cost of replacing the flag pole and the rope!!!!

Albeit it sounds like a good idea, it does add up, and where does that money come from?

As it is from a practical point of view doing this sort of this does neither educate nor make someone patriotic. It takes away from the school day and because it is done so often it become a mundane activity which the children go through and not relate to.

Also if you do not believe me about The Wright Stuff, it should be on Demand 5 - Good Friday's episode and it was the main talking point of the day (i.e. first story) - it was actually a well balanced debate from the celebrity contributors, audience and complete mix range of callers!
Hahahahahah, I knew you were going to come up with some poor excuse about going through many flags. If they put them at height, they should be out of the way of vandals.

As for weather...there are many flags round Bolton that have been fine through severe weather. I've noticed the one near the gates to Egerton House has been there years without issue and it's windy up there!

I wonder what them "British Vandals" want with 25 flags?

Matthew Right is a t%t and his show is a complete waste of air space. So sadly, I won't be watching that on catch up.
Actually the one at Egerton House is the fifth one this year - they replace it every few weeks, I use the same supplier as them, and they are based in Cheetham Hill (by a company run by Czech ex-pats!!!).

A least Matthew Wright lets people have a say and doesn't degenerate into calling people names or using disgusting language - he allows for debate.

It seems someoone here doesn't - and it isn''t me!
Now I know your a liar, I live on the same row as that house and it's never been changed in years! You my friend are a liar and a troll. Next you'll be telling us you live at that house and you change the flag!

The flag has not been changed, I see it out of my window every morning when I wake up and it makes me smile. It's never been subject to vandals and it didn't blow down in any of the recent high winds we had.

Your what the French call a Billy Bullshitter!
If I am liar, then prove it!!!

It seems to me you are just all mouth and no action, especially as you live on Blackburn Road and don't even realise that the hotel closed down only earlier this year, so that's how much notice you actually take!!!!

As I say I know where they get the flag stocks from and at least I can prove what I am saying - whereas you, on the other hand uses vulgar language, all mouth, excise after excuse and can never provide evidence of what you say!!!

In fact I have seen the managers of Egerton House, who worked for McDonald Hotels, before the hotel closed in January of this year, and yes they used the same supplier as me - in fact MacDonald Hotels, including those in Manchester, replace their flags every 4 weeks!!!!
[quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Just wait until the head teacher sees the budget for flag flying and how many flags will be required and then have to make a decision on what gets cut - education or flying a flag? But if he had seen The Wright Stuff on Friday morning they had a American on the show and they talked about Bolton's proposals and the American said what I have been saying. The children go through the motions but they don't know what it is all about, and to a point they don't care because it is rammed down their throats so much. It has basically become mundane, rather than being something special![/p][/quote]Why how much do you think a flag per school is going to cost? They only need 1! and it's not like all schools are going to do it. As for your bit on The Wright Stuff, please.[/p][/quote]Do they, so when that is dirty or been battered too death after a few days because of the British weather another one is required then another and then another. There is a school in Manchester and they go through over 25 flags in a school year, mainly because of weather but also due to vandalism by British vandals (as per CCTV and the later arrests) and then the cost of replacing the flag pole and the rope!!!! Albeit it sounds like a good idea, it does add up, and where does that money come from? As it is from a practical point of view doing this sort of this does neither educate nor make someone patriotic. It takes away from the school day and because it is done so often it become a mundane activity which the children go through and not relate to. Also if you do not believe me about The Wright Stuff, it should be on Demand 5 - Good Friday's episode and it was the main talking point of the day (i.e. first story) - it was actually a well balanced debate from the celebrity contributors, audience and complete mix range of callers![/p][/quote]Hahahahahah, I knew you were going to come up with some poor excuse about going through many flags. If they put them at height, they should be out of the way of vandals. As for weather...there are many flags round Bolton that have been fine through severe weather. I've noticed the one near the gates to Egerton House has been there years without issue and it's windy up there! I wonder what them "British Vandals" want with 25 flags? Matthew Right is a t%t and his show is a complete waste of air space. So sadly, I won't be watching that on catch up.[/p][/quote]Actually the one at Egerton House is the fifth one this year - they replace it every few weeks, I use the same supplier as them, and they are based in Cheetham Hill (by a company run by Czech ex-pats!!!). A least Matthew Wright lets people have a say and doesn't degenerate into calling people names or using disgusting language - he allows for debate. It seems someoone here doesn't - and it isn''t me![/p][/quote]Now I know your a liar, I live on the same row as that house and it's never been changed in years! You my friend are a liar and a troll. Next you'll be telling us you live at that house and you change the flag! The flag has not been changed, I see it out of my window every morning when I wake up and it makes me smile. It's never been subject to vandals and it didn't blow down in any of the recent high winds we had. Your what the French call a Billy Bullshitter![/p][/quote]If I am liar, then prove it!!! It seems to me you are just all mouth and no action, especially as you live on Blackburn Road and don't even realise that the hotel closed down only earlier this year, so that's how much notice you actually take!!!! As I say I know where they get the flag stocks from and at least I can prove what I am saying - whereas you, on the other hand uses vulgar language, all mouth, excise after excuse and can never provide evidence of what you say!!! In fact I have seen the managers of Egerton House, who worked for McDonald Hotels, before the hotel closed in January of this year, and yes they used the same supplier as me - in fact MacDonald Hotels, including those in Manchester, replace their flags every 4 weeks!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -33

11:48pm Mon 21 Apr 14

lv8151 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
BlueRay79 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
BlueRay79 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
BlueRay79 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Just wait until the head teacher sees the budget for flag flying and how many flags will be required and then have to make a decision on what gets cut - education or flying a flag?

But if he had seen The Wright Stuff on Friday morning they had a American on the show and they talked about Bolton's proposals and the American said what I have been saying. The children go through the motions but they don't know what it is all about, and to a point they don't care because it is rammed down their throats so much. It has basically become mundane, rather than being something special!
Why how much do you think a flag per school is going to cost? They only need 1! and it's not like all schools are going to do it.

As for your bit on The Wright Stuff, please.
Do they, so when that is dirty or been battered too death after a few days because of the British weather another one is required then another and then another.

There is a school in Manchester and they go through over 25 flags in a school year, mainly because of weather but also due to vandalism by British vandals (as per CCTV and the later arrests) and then the cost of replacing the flag pole and the rope!!!!

Albeit it sounds like a good idea, it does add up, and where does that money come from?

As it is from a practical point of view doing this sort of this does neither educate nor make someone patriotic. It takes away from the school day and because it is done so often it become a mundane activity which the children go through and not relate to.

Also if you do not believe me about The Wright Stuff, it should be on Demand 5 - Good Friday's episode and it was the main talking point of the day (i.e. first story) - it was actually a well balanced debate from the celebrity contributors, audience and complete mix range of callers!
Hahahahahah, I knew you were going to come up with some poor excuse about going through many flags. If they put them at height, they should be out of the way of vandals.

As for weather...there are many flags round Bolton that have been fine through severe weather. I've noticed the one near the gates to Egerton House has been there years without issue and it's windy up there!

I wonder what them "British Vandals" want with 25 flags?

Matthew Right is a t%t and his show is a complete waste of air space. So sadly, I won't be watching that on catch up.
Actually the one at Egerton House is the fifth one this year - they replace it every few weeks, I use the same supplier as them, and they are based in Cheetham Hill (by a company run by Czech ex-pats!!!).

A least Matthew Wright lets people have a say and doesn't degenerate into calling people names or using disgusting language - he allows for debate.

It seems someoone here doesn't - and it isn''t me!
Now I know your a liar, I live on the same row as that house and it's never been changed in years! You my friend are a liar and a troll. Next you'll be telling us you live at that house and you change the flag!

The flag has not been changed, I see it out of my window every morning when I wake up and it makes me smile. It's never been subject to vandals and it didn't blow down in any of the recent high winds we had.

Your what the French call a Billy Bullshitter!
If I am liar, then prove it!!!

It seems to me you are just all mouth and no action, especially as you live on Blackburn Road and don't even realise that the hotel closed down only earlier this year, so that's how much notice you actually take!!!!

As I say I know where they get the flag stocks from and at least I can prove what I am saying - whereas you, on the other hand uses vulgar language, all mouth, excise after excuse and can never provide evidence of what you say!!!

In fact I have seen the managers of Egerton House, who worked for McDonald Hotels, before the hotel closed in January of this year, and yes they used the same supplier as me - in fact MacDonald Hotels, including those in Manchester, replace their flags every 4 weeks!!!!
so the hotel shut in january and they have used 5 flags this year .... are they still replacing the flags even though it shut down or did they use 5 flags in less than a month of this year that they were open
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Just wait until the head teacher sees the budget for flag flying and how many flags will be required and then have to make a decision on what gets cut - education or flying a flag? But if he had seen The Wright Stuff on Friday morning they had a American on the show and they talked about Bolton's proposals and the American said what I have been saying. The children go through the motions but they don't know what it is all about, and to a point they don't care because it is rammed down their throats so much. It has basically become mundane, rather than being something special![/p][/quote]Why how much do you think a flag per school is going to cost? They only need 1! and it's not like all schools are going to do it. As for your bit on The Wright Stuff, please.[/p][/quote]Do they, so when that is dirty or been battered too death after a few days because of the British weather another one is required then another and then another. There is a school in Manchester and they go through over 25 flags in a school year, mainly because of weather but also due to vandalism by British vandals (as per CCTV and the later arrests) and then the cost of replacing the flag pole and the rope!!!! Albeit it sounds like a good idea, it does add up, and where does that money come from? As it is from a practical point of view doing this sort of this does neither educate nor make someone patriotic. It takes away from the school day and because it is done so often it become a mundane activity which the children go through and not relate to. Also if you do not believe me about The Wright Stuff, it should be on Demand 5 - Good Friday's episode and it was the main talking point of the day (i.e. first story) - it was actually a well balanced debate from the celebrity contributors, audience and complete mix range of callers![/p][/quote]Hahahahahah, I knew you were going to come up with some poor excuse about going through many flags. If they put them at height, they should be out of the way of vandals. As for weather...there are many flags round Bolton that have been fine through severe weather. I've noticed the one near the gates to Egerton House has been there years without issue and it's windy up there! I wonder what them "British Vandals" want with 25 flags? Matthew Right is a t%t and his show is a complete waste of air space. So sadly, I won't be watching that on catch up.[/p][/quote]Actually the one at Egerton House is the fifth one this year - they replace it every few weeks, I use the same supplier as them, and they are based in Cheetham Hill (by a company run by Czech ex-pats!!!). A least Matthew Wright lets people have a say and doesn't degenerate into calling people names or using disgusting language - he allows for debate. It seems someoone here doesn't - and it isn''t me![/p][/quote]Now I know your a liar, I live on the same row as that house and it's never been changed in years! You my friend are a liar and a troll. Next you'll be telling us you live at that house and you change the flag! The flag has not been changed, I see it out of my window every morning when I wake up and it makes me smile. It's never been subject to vandals and it didn't blow down in any of the recent high winds we had. Your what the French call a Billy Bullshitter![/p][/quote]If I am liar, then prove it!!! It seems to me you are just all mouth and no action, especially as you live on Blackburn Road and don't even realise that the hotel closed down only earlier this year, so that's how much notice you actually take!!!! As I say I know where they get the flag stocks from and at least I can prove what I am saying - whereas you, on the other hand uses vulgar language, all mouth, excise after excuse and can never provide evidence of what you say!!! In fact I have seen the managers of Egerton House, who worked for McDonald Hotels, before the hotel closed in January of this year, and yes they used the same supplier as me - in fact MacDonald Hotels, including those in Manchester, replace their flags every 4 weeks!!!![/p][/quote]so the hotel shut in january and they have used 5 flags this year .... are they still replacing the flags even though it shut down or did they use 5 flags in less than a month of this year that they were open lv8151
  • Score: 1

11:55pm Mon 21 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Yep because MacDonald Hotels still own the land and buildings and still fly the fag high and proud as they are a very patriotic company!!! They do the same to all the hotels they close.

In fact they are redeveloping the land and building into apartments and houses and whilst they are still there they will fly the flag!
Yep because MacDonald Hotels still own the land and buildings and still fly the fag high and proud as they are a very patriotic company!!! They do the same to all the hotels they close. In fact they are redeveloping the land and building into apartments and houses and whilst they are still there they will fly the flag! The Righteous One
  • Score: -30

11:57pm Mon 21 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

http://www.thebolton
news.co.uk/news/1091
7955.Egerton_House_H
otel_to_close_with_l
oss_of_25_jobs/
http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1091 7955.Egerton_House_H otel_to_close_with_l oss_of_25_jobs/ The Righteous One
  • Score: -32

11:59pm Mon 21 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

And these are the flag suppliers in Cheetham hill

http://trounce.co.uk
/

Now prove that I am wrong!!!!

I know you can't!
And these are the flag suppliers in Cheetham hill http://trounce.co.uk / Now prove that I am wrong!!!! I know you can't! The Righteous One
  • Score: -33

9:01am Tue 22 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

Wont but an extra money in my pocket but its an attempt to grab the UKIP vote.
Wont but an extra money in my pocket but its an attempt to grab the UKIP vote. Jim271
  • Score: -3

9:07am Tue 22 Apr 14

lv8151 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
And these are the flag suppliers in Cheetham hill

http://trounce.co.uk

/

Now prove that I am wrong!!!!

I know you can't!
you prove that you are right ..... can you prove like you said you can that they are on their 5th flag this year
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: And these are the flag suppliers in Cheetham hill http://trounce.co.uk / Now prove that I am wrong!!!! I know you can't![/p][/quote]you prove that you are right ..... can you prove like you said you can that they are on their 5th flag this year lv8151
  • Score: 0

9:10am Tue 22 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

lv8151 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
And these are the flag suppliers in Cheetham hill

http://trounce.co.uk


/

Now prove that I am wrong!!!!

I know you can't!
you prove that you are right ..... can you prove like you said you can that they are on their 5th flag this year
Do you want the managers name and number? If so, I cannot give those personal details over an open forum (I have been banned previously, for 3 months, with giving out Phil Gartside's details) as it is against the rules but if you are willing to meet I will tell you then!
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: And these are the flag suppliers in Cheetham hill http://trounce.co.uk / Now prove that I am wrong!!!! I know you can't![/p][/quote]you prove that you are right ..... can you prove like you said you can that they are on their 5th flag this year[/p][/quote]Do you want the managers name and number? If so, I cannot give those personal details over an open forum (I have been banned previously, for 3 months, with giving out Phil Gartside's details) as it is against the rules but if you are willing to meet I will tell you then! The Righteous One
  • Score: -37

9:13am Tue 22 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Jim271 wrote:
Wont but an extra money in my pocket but its an attempt to grab the UKIP vote.
Nt a case of grabbing the UKIP vote, but as UKIP are beginning to implode now is the chance to ggrab their leaving voters.

How can anyone support a party that has to prove that their poster isn't racist
How can anyone support a hypocritical party where it condemns other parties for mis-using public money and yet they expect to be forgiven when they do it!!!
How can anyone support a party whose leader is more hypocritical than any of the other leaders (a banker who helped to create the worlds deepest recession, also has property overseas, has offshore tax-evasion accounts, has his wife and mistress as staff - all breaking the rules)
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Wont but an extra money in my pocket but its an attempt to grab the UKIP vote.[/p][/quote]Nt a case of grabbing the UKIP vote, but as UKIP are beginning to implode now is the chance to ggrab their leaving voters. How can anyone support a party that has to prove that their poster isn't racist How can anyone support a hypocritical party where it condemns other parties for mis-using public money and yet they expect to be forgiven when they do it!!! How can anyone support a party whose leader is more hypocritical than any of the other leaders (a banker who helped to create the worlds deepest recession, also has property overseas, has offshore tax-evasion accounts, has his wife and mistress as staff - all breaking the rules) The Righteous One
  • Score: -38

9:35am Tue 22 Apr 14

Bob Shaftoe says...

R1. Please just give us all a rest from your deluded ramblings, you've turned into the bore of Bolton even surpassing Doogie Freedman. Yawn!
R1. Please just give us all a rest from your deluded ramblings, you've turned into the bore of Bolton even surpassing Doogie Freedman. Yawn! Bob Shaftoe
  • Score: 5

9:48am Tue 22 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Nigel Farage labelled the Governments "Go Home" immigration posters as NASTY, and yet here are UKIP doing the exact same thing with their latest poster campaign - talk about hypocritical!!!!
Nigel Farage labelled the Governments "Go Home" immigration posters as NASTY, and yet here are UKIP doing the exact same thing with their latest poster campaign - talk about hypocritical!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -41

9:48am Tue 22 Apr 14

Phil from Smithills says...

Phil from Smithills wrote:
As the article says, they fly their flags in USA & Canada. And in the USA they also fly just beneath the Stars & Stripes usually the State flag.

So we should also fly our Red Rose county flag just beneath the Union flag.
.
The Righteous One said..."
Texas, Hawaii and Alaska seem to be the only States I know of that fly the state flag as well as the Stars and Stripes!"
.
Thank you for agreeing with me, that states do fly their state flag just beneath the Stars & Stripes
Phil from Smithills wrote: As the article says, they fly their flags in USA & Canada. And in the USA they also fly just beneath the Stars & Stripes usually the State flag. So we should also fly our Red Rose county flag just beneath the Union flag. . The Righteous One said..." Texas, Hawaii and Alaska seem to be the only States I know of that fly the state flag as well as the Stars and Stripes!" . Thank you for agreeing with me, that states do fly their state flag just beneath the Stars & Stripes Phil from Smithills
  • Score: 3

9:51am Tue 22 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

shock horror 26 million EU citizens going after British jobs!!!! Now let me think as being British doesn't that class us as EU citizens therefore the 26 million are actually British people!!!

Or on the flipside, 26 non-British EU citizens going after our jobs means that there are 50+million British EU citizens going after their jobs back in their country of origin, so are we taking their jobs as well?
shock horror 26 million EU citizens going after British jobs!!!! Now let me think as being British doesn't that class us as EU citizens therefore the 26 million are actually British people!!! Or on the flipside, 26 non-British EU citizens going after our jobs means that there are 50+million British EU citizens going after their jobs back in their country of origin, so are we taking their jobs as well? The Righteous One
  • Score: -26

10:02am Tue 22 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

UKIPS racist posters. When did the combined people of Europe become a race of people & once again it is used by someone from the Liebour party who admit they should themselves have controlled it better when they had the chance so its a little rich & even richer when all three back pedal & are forced to allow a vote for in or out in the 2015 election. Racist slurs work well for UKIP keep it coming the more they say it the more members UKIP get.
UKIPS racist posters. When did the combined people of Europe become a race of people & once again it is used by someone from the Liebour party who admit they should themselves have controlled it better when they had the chance so its a little rich & even richer when all three back pedal & are forced to allow a vote for in or out in the 2015 election. Racist slurs work well for UKIP keep it coming the more they say it the more members UKIP get. thomas222
  • Score: 1

10:17am Tue 22 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Nigel Farage labelled the Governments "Go Home" immigration posters as NASTY, and yet here are UKIP doing the exact same thing with their latest poster campaign - talk about hypocritical!!!!
What has go home got to do with incoming controlled Immigration. You have recently started to tell lies twist words & figures you agree with. The reason for this is because you are goosed & normally im not one for gloating at people as there is nothing nice about saying to some one i told you so but in your case i am going to make a exception by doing so after the 22nd May. Thats if you have the face to come on here again.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Nigel Farage labelled the Governments "Go Home" immigration posters as NASTY, and yet here are UKIP doing the exact same thing with their latest poster campaign - talk about hypocritical!!!![/p][/quote]What has go home got to do with incoming controlled Immigration. You have recently started to tell lies twist words & figures you agree with. The reason for this is because you are goosed & normally im not one for gloating at people as there is nothing nice about saying to some one i told you so but in your case i am going to make a exception by doing so after the 22nd May. Thats if you have the face to come on here again. thomas222
  • Score: 2

11:41am Tue 22 Apr 14

boltoncity says...

love the idea of the flag being flown.
love the idea of the flag being flown. boltoncity
  • Score: 3

12:48pm Tue 22 Apr 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

The Righteous One - you are nearly as annoying as BWFC71!
The Righteous One - you are nearly as annoying as BWFC71! FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 5

12:49pm Tue 22 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Nigel Farage labelled the Governments "Go Home" immigration posters as NASTY, and yet here are UKIP doing the exact same thing with their latest poster campaign - talk about hypocritical!!!!
What has go home got to do with incoming controlled Immigration. You have recently started to tell lies twist words & figures you agree with. The reason for this is because you are goosed & normally im not one for gloating at people as there is nothing nice about saying to some one i told you so but in your case i am going to make a exception by doing so after the 22nd May. Thats if you have the face to come on here again.
We all know that in the Euro's UKIP will probably get 14 seats, one more than last time and 8 more than you currently have after UKIP MEP's were forced to resign or changed allegiance!

As for telling lies - where, all I have done is report actual fact which can be found anywhere on the internet and backed up by Nigel Farage himself!!!!

Twist words, nope. It is you that made the racist slur against Muslims - not me!!! And for that I have reported you to he UKIP head office!

Twisting figures - lets see on the latest UKIP poster campaign is not true that one of them it says that 26 million EU citizens are after our job? BUT here is the best bit as British citizens and members of the EU aren't we also EU citizens and as such you are saying 26 million British people are after British jobs??? Or look at t at another angel 26 million non-British EU citizens are after our jobs, therefore 50+ million (of the British workforce) are after their jobs, in their country, surely??? Isn't it true that working migrants works both ways and not just one way?

Isn't it also a fact that there are less than 2 million EU citizens in the UK whilst there are well over 2.5 million British working in other EU countries?

Isn't it also a fact that there are 3 times more non-EU citizens in the UK, than non-British EU citizens, and they have gone through controlled immigration process?

Isn't it also a fact that the so-called illegal immigrants CANNOT get benefits, any other state aid, or even housing because they don't have the paperwork, nor National Insurance Numbers, nor a permanent address, and as such have to live off handouts from charities and live the black market rentals?

Isn't it a fact that Nigel Farage ccondemned The bgovernment for the "Go Home" poster campaign and then look at UKIP's latest poster campaign and its exactly the same - isn't that hypocritical?

Isn't it a fact that Nigel Farage, whilst he has been an MEP, has falsely claimed expenses in the amount of over £3million - i.e. used wrongly for what he wanted the money for. Ad yet if anyone else has done he has wanted their resignation, but he doesn't expect the same treatment?

Isn't it a fact that under EU-Parliament rules that he is not allowed to have a member of his family or someone he is having sexual relation with working for him - but funnily enough both hiss wife and his mistress work for him and get paid!!!! Totally going against the rules - again if that was anyone else he would expect resignations but he expects to be treated differently!!

Isn't it a fact that the majority of the financial backers are Banking merchants - the exact same people who helped to take the world into the deepest ever recession whilst they continue to rake the money in and have big massive bonuses?

Isn't it a fact that on one of the other posters, in the current UKIP campaign, they are showing the gap between workers and ministers. Funnily enough how much of a millionaire is Farage, not just that, how many hoes does he have, does he use public transport or chauffer driven cars? Hypocrisy at its best!!!! "Do as I say and not as I do attitude!"

I am not goosed - just fed up about hearing lies from you and UKIP and putting the fear of God into people - a fear that isn't actually there. You are just scaremongering!!!

Thing is I can prove every fact, whereas all you can do is source UKIP for your arguments and they are not even backed up by any proper data references! You just expect people to believe that if UKIP say its true then it is true!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Nigel Farage labelled the Governments "Go Home" immigration posters as NASTY, and yet here are UKIP doing the exact same thing with their latest poster campaign - talk about hypocritical!!!![/p][/quote]What has go home got to do with incoming controlled Immigration. You have recently started to tell lies twist words & figures you agree with. The reason for this is because you are goosed & normally im not one for gloating at people as there is nothing nice about saying to some one i told you so but in your case i am going to make a exception by doing so after the 22nd May. Thats if you have the face to come on here again.[/p][/quote]We all know that in the Euro's UKIP will probably get 14 seats, one more than last time and 8 more than you currently have after UKIP MEP's were forced to resign or changed allegiance! As for telling lies - where, all I have done is report actual fact which can be found anywhere on the internet and backed up by Nigel Farage himself!!!! Twist words, nope. It is you that made the racist slur against Muslims - not me!!! And for that I have reported you to he UKIP head office! Twisting figures - lets see on the latest UKIP poster campaign is not true that one of them it says that 26 million EU citizens are after our job? BUT here is the best bit as British citizens and members of the EU aren't we also EU citizens and as such you are saying 26 million British people are after British jobs??? Or look at t at another angel 26 million non-British EU citizens are after our jobs, therefore 50+ million (of the British workforce) are after their jobs, in their country, surely??? Isn't it true that working migrants works both ways and not just one way? Isn't it also a fact that there are less than 2 million EU citizens in the UK whilst there are well over 2.5 million British working in other EU countries? Isn't it also a fact that there are 3 times more non-EU citizens in the UK, than non-British EU citizens, and they have gone through controlled immigration process? Isn't it also a fact that the so-called illegal immigrants CANNOT get benefits, any other state aid, or even housing because they don't have the paperwork, nor National Insurance Numbers, nor a permanent address, and as such have to live off handouts from charities and live the black market rentals? Isn't it a fact that Nigel Farage ccondemned The bgovernment for the "Go Home" poster campaign and then look at UKIP's latest poster campaign and its exactly the same - isn't that hypocritical? Isn't it a fact that Nigel Farage, whilst he has been an MEP, has falsely claimed expenses in the amount of over £3million - i.e. used wrongly for what he wanted the money for. Ad yet if anyone else has done he has wanted their resignation, but he doesn't expect the same treatment? Isn't it a fact that under EU-Parliament rules that he is not allowed to have a member of his family or someone he is having sexual relation with working for him - but funnily enough both hiss wife and his mistress work for him and get paid!!!! Totally going against the rules - again if that was anyone else he would expect resignations but he expects to be treated differently!! Isn't it a fact that the majority of the financial backers are Banking merchants - the exact same people who helped to take the world into the deepest ever recession whilst they continue to rake the money in and have big massive bonuses? Isn't it a fact that on one of the other posters, in the current UKIP campaign, they are showing the gap between workers and ministers. Funnily enough how much of a millionaire is Farage, not just that, how many hoes does he have, does he use public transport or chauffer driven cars? Hypocrisy at its best!!!! "Do as I say and not as I do attitude!" I am not goosed - just fed up about hearing lies from you and UKIP and putting the fear of God into people - a fear that isn't actually there. You are just scaremongering!!! Thing is I can prove every fact, whereas all you can do is source UKIP for your arguments and they are not even backed up by any proper data references! You just expect people to believe that if UKIP say its true then it is true!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -46

1:33pm Tue 22 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Nigel Farage labelled the Governments "Go Home" immigration posters as NASTY, and yet here are UKIP doing the exact same thing with their latest poster campaign - talk about hypocritical!!!!
What has go home got to do with incoming controlled Immigration. You have recently started to tell lies twist words & figures you agree with. The reason for this is because you are goosed & normally im not one for gloating at people as there is nothing nice about saying to some one i told you so but in your case i am going to make a exception by doing so after the 22nd May. Thats if you have the face to come on here again.
We all know that in the Euro's UKIP will probably get 14 seats, one more than last time and 8 more than you currently have after UKIP MEP's were forced to resign or changed allegiance!

As for telling lies - where, all I have done is report actual fact which can be found anywhere on the internet and backed up by Nigel Farage himself!!!!

Twist words, nope. It is you that made the racist slur against Muslims - not me!!! And for that I have reported you to he UKIP head office!

Twisting figures - lets see on the latest UKIP poster campaign is not true that one of them it says that 26 million EU citizens are after our job? BUT here is the best bit as British citizens and members of the EU aren't we also EU citizens and as such you are saying 26 million British people are after British jobs??? Or look at t at another angel 26 million non-British EU citizens are after our jobs, therefore 50+ million (of the British workforce) are after their jobs, in their country, surely??? Isn't it true that working migrants works both ways and not just one way?

Isn't it also a fact that there are less than 2 million EU citizens in the UK whilst there are well over 2.5 million British working in other EU countries?

Isn't it also a fact that there are 3 times more non-EU citizens in the UK, than non-British EU citizens, and they have gone through controlled immigration process?

Isn't it also a fact that the so-called illegal immigrants CANNOT get benefits, any other state aid, or even housing because they don't have the paperwork, nor National Insurance Numbers, nor a permanent address, and as such have to live off handouts from charities and live the black market rentals?

Isn't it a fact that Nigel Farage ccondemned The bgovernment for the "Go Home" poster campaign and then look at UKIP's latest poster campaign and its exactly the same - isn't that hypocritical?

Isn't it a fact that Nigel Farage, whilst he has been an MEP, has falsely claimed expenses in the amount of over £3million - i.e. used wrongly for what he wanted the money for. Ad yet if anyone else has done he has wanted their resignation, but he doesn't expect the same treatment?

Isn't it a fact that under EU-Parliament rules that he is not allowed to have a member of his family or someone he is having sexual relation with working for him - but funnily enough both hiss wife and his mistress work for him and get paid!!!! Totally going against the rules - again if that was anyone else he would expect resignations but he expects to be treated differently!!

Isn't it a fact that the majority of the financial backers are Banking merchants - the exact same people who helped to take the world into the deepest ever recession whilst they continue to rake the money in and have big massive bonuses?

Isn't it a fact that on one of the other posters, in the current UKIP campaign, they are showing the gap between workers and ministers. Funnily enough how much of a millionaire is Farage, not just that, how many hoes does he have, does he use public transport or chauffer driven cars? Hypocrisy at its best!!!! "Do as I say and not as I do attitude!"

I am not goosed - just fed up about hearing lies from you and UKIP and putting the fear of God into people - a fear that isn't actually there. You are just scaremongering!!!

Thing is I can prove every fact, whereas all you can do is source UKIP for your arguments and they are not even backed up by any proper data references! You just expect people to believe that if UKIP say its true then it is true!!!
I can feel your stamping your feet in your rambling comments no one reads them any more. Google ED miliband: labour got it wrong on immigration. Its his opening shot before he changes the labour policy on immigration after the election. You have lost your fight my friend the games up.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Nigel Farage labelled the Governments "Go Home" immigration posters as NASTY, and yet here are UKIP doing the exact same thing with their latest poster campaign - talk about hypocritical!!!![/p][/quote]What has go home got to do with incoming controlled Immigration. You have recently started to tell lies twist words & figures you agree with. The reason for this is because you are goosed & normally im not one for gloating at people as there is nothing nice about saying to some one i told you so but in your case i am going to make a exception by doing so after the 22nd May. Thats if you have the face to come on here again.[/p][/quote]We all know that in the Euro's UKIP will probably get 14 seats, one more than last time and 8 more than you currently have after UKIP MEP's were forced to resign or changed allegiance! As for telling lies - where, all I have done is report actual fact which can be found anywhere on the internet and backed up by Nigel Farage himself!!!! Twist words, nope. It is you that made the racist slur against Muslims - not me!!! And for that I have reported you to he UKIP head office! Twisting figures - lets see on the latest UKIP poster campaign is not true that one of them it says that 26 million EU citizens are after our job? BUT here is the best bit as British citizens and members of the EU aren't we also EU citizens and as such you are saying 26 million British people are after British jobs??? Or look at t at another angel 26 million non-British EU citizens are after our jobs, therefore 50+ million (of the British workforce) are after their jobs, in their country, surely??? Isn't it true that working migrants works both ways and not just one way? Isn't it also a fact that there are less than 2 million EU citizens in the UK whilst there are well over 2.5 million British working in other EU countries? Isn't it also a fact that there are 3 times more non-EU citizens in the UK, than non-British EU citizens, and they have gone through controlled immigration process? Isn't it also a fact that the so-called illegal immigrants CANNOT get benefits, any other state aid, or even housing because they don't have the paperwork, nor National Insurance Numbers, nor a permanent address, and as such have to live off handouts from charities and live the black market rentals? Isn't it a fact that Nigel Farage ccondemned The bgovernment for the "Go Home" poster campaign and then look at UKIP's latest poster campaign and its exactly the same - isn't that hypocritical? Isn't it a fact that Nigel Farage, whilst he has been an MEP, has falsely claimed expenses in the amount of over £3million - i.e. used wrongly for what he wanted the money for. Ad yet if anyone else has done he has wanted their resignation, but he doesn't expect the same treatment? Isn't it a fact that under EU-Parliament rules that he is not allowed to have a member of his family or someone he is having sexual relation with working for him - but funnily enough both hiss wife and his mistress work for him and get paid!!!! Totally going against the rules - again if that was anyone else he would expect resignations but he expects to be treated differently!! Isn't it a fact that the majority of the financial backers are Banking merchants - the exact same people who helped to take the world into the deepest ever recession whilst they continue to rake the money in and have big massive bonuses? Isn't it a fact that on one of the other posters, in the current UKIP campaign, they are showing the gap between workers and ministers. Funnily enough how much of a millionaire is Farage, not just that, how many hoes does he have, does he use public transport or chauffer driven cars? Hypocrisy at its best!!!! "Do as I say and not as I do attitude!" I am not goosed - just fed up about hearing lies from you and UKIP and putting the fear of God into people - a fear that isn't actually there. You are just scaremongering!!! Thing is I can prove every fact, whereas all you can do is source UKIP for your arguments and they are not even backed up by any proper data references! You just expect people to believe that if UKIP say its true then it is true!!![/p][/quote]I can feel your stamping your feet in your rambling comments no one reads them any more. Google ED miliband: labour got it wrong on immigration. Its his opening shot before he changes the labour policy on immigration after the election. You have lost your fight my friend the games up. thomas222
  • Score: 3

1:43pm Tue 22 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE!

Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!!

To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't!

BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters!

I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!!

I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!!

Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!!
Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE! Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!! To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't! BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters! I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!! I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!! Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -45

1:53pm Tue 22 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE!

Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!!

To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't!

BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters!

I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!!

I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!!

Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!!
You really are scraping the barrell give it up dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE! Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!! To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't! BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters! I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!! I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!! Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!![/p][/quote]You really are scraping the barrell give it up dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has. thomas222
  • Score: 3

1:53pm Tue 22 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE!

Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!!

To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't!

BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters!

I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!!

I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!!

Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!!
You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE! Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!! To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't! BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters! I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!! I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!! Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!![/p][/quote]You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has. thomas222
  • Score: 2

4:10pm Tue 22 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE!

Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!!

To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't!

BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters!

I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!!

I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!!

Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!!
You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.
LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!!


Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that?

Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP.

Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!!

That is clutching at straws!!!

Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE! Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!! To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't! BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters! I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!! I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!! Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!![/p][/quote]You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.[/p][/quote]LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!! Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that? Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP. Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!! That is clutching at straws!!! Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -34

5:13pm Tue 22 Apr 14

BlueRay79 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
BlueRay79 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
BlueRay79 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
BlueRay79 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Just wait until the head teacher sees the budget for flag flying and how many flags will be required and then have to make a decision on what gets cut - education or flying a flag?

But if he had seen The Wright Stuff on Friday morning they had a American on the show and they talked about Bolton's proposals and the American said what I have been saying. The children go through the motions but they don't know what it is all about, and to a point they don't care because it is rammed down their throats so much. It has basically become mundane, rather than being something special!
Why how much do you think a flag per school is going to cost? They only need 1! and it's not like all schools are going to do it.

As for your bit on The Wright Stuff, please.
Do they, so when that is dirty or been battered too death after a few days because of the British weather another one is required then another and then another.

There is a school in Manchester and they go through over 25 flags in a school year, mainly because of weather but also due to vandalism by British vandals (as per CCTV and the later arrests) and then the cost of replacing the flag pole and the rope!!!!

Albeit it sounds like a good idea, it does add up, and where does that money come from?

As it is from a practical point of view doing this sort of this does neither educate nor make someone patriotic. It takes away from the school day and because it is done so often it become a mundane activity which the children go through and not relate to.

Also if you do not believe me about The Wright Stuff, it should be on Demand 5 - Good Friday's episode and it was the main talking point of the day (i.e. first story) - it was actually a well balanced debate from the celebrity contributors, audience and complete mix range of callers!
Hahahahahah, I knew you were going to come up with some poor excuse about going through many flags. If they put them at height, they should be out of the way of vandals.

As for weather...there are many flags round Bolton that have been fine through severe weather. I've noticed the one near the gates to Egerton House has been there years without issue and it's windy up there!

I wonder what them "British Vandals" want with 25 flags?

Matthew Right is a t%t and his show is a complete waste of air space. So sadly, I won't be watching that on catch up.
Actually the one at Egerton House is the fifth one this year - they replace it every few weeks, I use the same supplier as them, and they are based in Cheetham Hill (by a company run by Czech ex-pats!!!).

A least Matthew Wright lets people have a say and doesn't degenerate into calling people names or using disgusting language - he allows for debate.

It seems someoone here doesn't - and it isn''t me!
Now I know your a liar, I live on the same row as that house and it's never been changed in years! You my friend are a liar and a troll. Next you'll be telling us you live at that house and you change the flag!

The flag has not been changed, I see it out of my window every morning when I wake up and it makes me smile. It's never been subject to vandals and it didn't blow down in any of the recent high winds we had.

Your what the French call a Billy Bullshitter!
If I am liar, then prove it!!!

It seems to me you are just all mouth and no action, especially as you live on Blackburn Road and don't even realise that the hotel closed down only earlier this year, so that's how much notice you actually take!!!!

As I say I know where they get the flag stocks from and at least I can prove what I am saying - whereas you, on the other hand uses vulgar language, all mouth, excise after excuse and can never provide evidence of what you say!!!

In fact I have seen the managers of Egerton House, who worked for McDonald Hotels, before the hotel closed in January of this year, and yes they used the same supplier as me - in fact MacDonald Hotels, including those in Manchester, replace their flags every 4 weeks!!!!
Wow, you really are a moron. When did I say I lived on BlackBurn Road? When did I say Egerton House was open. Your assuming everything instead of looking at the facts. I don't live on BlackBurn Road, I live just off it.

The very first house before the gates of Egerton House is where the giant flag is placed, it doesn't belong to Egerton House. It's never been replaced. I should know as I live next to them.

So which flag are you talking about? There's only one giant flag on that corner and it belongs to the first house of Briggs Fold Road which is backed directly on to Egerton House.

Your move....creep!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BlueRay79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Just wait until the head teacher sees the budget for flag flying and how many flags will be required and then have to make a decision on what gets cut - education or flying a flag? But if he had seen The Wright Stuff on Friday morning they had a American on the show and they talked about Bolton's proposals and the American said what I have been saying. The children go through the motions but they don't know what it is all about, and to a point they don't care because it is rammed down their throats so much. It has basically become mundane, rather than being something special![/p][/quote]Why how much do you think a flag per school is going to cost? They only need 1! and it's not like all schools are going to do it. As for your bit on The Wright Stuff, please.[/p][/quote]Do they, so when that is dirty or been battered too death after a few days because of the British weather another one is required then another and then another. There is a school in Manchester and they go through over 25 flags in a school year, mainly because of weather but also due to vandalism by British vandals (as per CCTV and the later arrests) and then the cost of replacing the flag pole and the rope!!!! Albeit it sounds like a good idea, it does add up, and where does that money come from? As it is from a practical point of view doing this sort of this does neither educate nor make someone patriotic. It takes away from the school day and because it is done so often it become a mundane activity which the children go through and not relate to. Also if you do not believe me about The Wright Stuff, it should be on Demand 5 - Good Friday's episode and it was the main talking point of the day (i.e. first story) - it was actually a well balanced debate from the celebrity contributors, audience and complete mix range of callers![/p][/quote]Hahahahahah, I knew you were going to come up with some poor excuse about going through many flags. If they put them at height, they should be out of the way of vandals. As for weather...there are many flags round Bolton that have been fine through severe weather. I've noticed the one near the gates to Egerton House has been there years without issue and it's windy up there! I wonder what them "British Vandals" want with 25 flags? Matthew Right is a t%t and his show is a complete waste of air space. So sadly, I won't be watching that on catch up.[/p][/quote]Actually the one at Egerton House is the fifth one this year - they replace it every few weeks, I use the same supplier as them, and they are based in Cheetham Hill (by a company run by Czech ex-pats!!!). A least Matthew Wright lets people have a say and doesn't degenerate into calling people names or using disgusting language - he allows for debate. It seems someoone here doesn't - and it isn''t me![/p][/quote]Now I know your a liar, I live on the same row as that house and it's never been changed in years! You my friend are a liar and a troll. Next you'll be telling us you live at that house and you change the flag! The flag has not been changed, I see it out of my window every morning when I wake up and it makes me smile. It's never been subject to vandals and it didn't blow down in any of the recent high winds we had. Your what the French call a Billy Bullshitter![/p][/quote]If I am liar, then prove it!!! It seems to me you are just all mouth and no action, especially as you live on Blackburn Road and don't even realise that the hotel closed down only earlier this year, so that's how much notice you actually take!!!! As I say I know where they get the flag stocks from and at least I can prove what I am saying - whereas you, on the other hand uses vulgar language, all mouth, excise after excuse and can never provide evidence of what you say!!! In fact I have seen the managers of Egerton House, who worked for McDonald Hotels, before the hotel closed in January of this year, and yes they used the same supplier as me - in fact MacDonald Hotels, including those in Manchester, replace their flags every 4 weeks!!!![/p][/quote]Wow, you really are a moron. When did I say I lived on BlackBurn Road? When did I say Egerton House was open. Your assuming everything instead of looking at the facts. I don't live on BlackBurn Road, I live just off it. The very first house before the gates of Egerton House is where the giant flag is placed, it doesn't belong to Egerton House. It's never been replaced. I should know as I live next to them. So which flag are you talking about? There's only one giant flag on that corner and it belongs to the first house of Briggs Fold Road which is backed directly on to Egerton House. Your move....creep! BlueRay79
  • Score: 5

5:15pm Tue 22 Apr 14

BlueRay79 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE!

Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!!

To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't!

BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters!

I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!!

I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!!

Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!!
You've got nothing to worry about then have you? So why are you getting yourself all in a tizzy? Go and put the kettle on, calm your tits down and #VoteUKIP :-D
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE! Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!! To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't! BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters! I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!! I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!! Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!![/p][/quote]You've got nothing to worry about then have you? So why are you getting yourself all in a tizzy? Go and put the kettle on, calm your tits down and #VoteUKIP :-D BlueRay79
  • Score: 3

5:48pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Home is where the heart is says...

I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!!

Hey,Righteous creep.it's not a lie!
I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!! Hey,Righteous creep.it's not a lie! Home is where the heart is
  • Score: 3

5:56pm Tue 22 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE!

Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!!

To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't!

BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters!

I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!!

I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!!

Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!!
You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.
LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!!


Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that?

Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP.

Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!!

That is clutching at straws!!!

Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!!
Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE! Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!! To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't! BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters! I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!! I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!! Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!![/p][/quote]You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.[/p][/quote]LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!! Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that? Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP. Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!! That is clutching at straws!!! Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!![/p][/quote]Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol thomas222
  • Score: -1

7:52pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Gore Seer says...

About 5 Years Ago In Marks And Sparks I Saw A Handkerchief On One Side Of The Anky Was The Union Jack Flag, I Bought One, Then I Thought To My Self They Should Be Ashamed Of Selling The Flag To Blow A Persons Nose On, Surly Wiping Your Nose On Our Flag Is Insulting, I Dare Anybody To Wipe There Nose On Other Countries Flag, My Daughter As Lost The Anky.
About 5 Years Ago In Marks And Sparks I Saw A Handkerchief On One Side Of The Anky Was The Union Jack Flag, I Bought One, Then I Thought To My Self They Should Be Ashamed Of Selling The Flag To Blow A Persons Nose On, Surly Wiping Your Nose On Our Flag Is Insulting, I Dare Anybody To Wipe There Nose On Other Countries Flag, My Daughter As Lost The Anky. Gore Seer
  • Score: 0

11:35pm Tue 22 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE!

Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!!

To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't!

BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters!

I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!!

I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!!

Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!!
You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.
LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!!


Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that?

Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP.

Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!!

That is clutching at straws!!!

Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!!
Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol
Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite!

Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors.

It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history.

Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE! Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!! To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't! BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters! I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!! I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!! Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!![/p][/quote]You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.[/p][/quote]LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!! Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that? Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP. Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!! That is clutching at straws!!! Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!![/p][/quote]Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol[/p][/quote]Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite! Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors. It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history. Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -24

11:38pm Tue 22 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Had to chuckle when the BBC showed a BNP van with a poster on one side saying UKIP - "just like the Tories...but richer" - never a truer word said and can't believe that it was actually BNP that would come up with something like that!

Is there any reason as to why there are no African origin, Caribbean origin or Asian origin (including Japanese and Chinese) people in the new set of billboard posters? It does seem a bit weird and possibly giving off a more sinister subliminal message!
Had to chuckle when the BBC showed a BNP van with a poster on one side saying UKIP - "just like the Tories...but richer" - never a truer word said and can't believe that it was actually BNP that would come up with something like that! Is there any reason as to why there are no African origin, Caribbean origin or Asian origin (including Japanese and Chinese) people in the new set of billboard posters? It does seem a bit weird and possibly giving off a more sinister subliminal message! The Righteous One
  • Score: -29

7:09am Wed 23 Apr 14

Our streets says...

Righteous one keep up the fight !!
One day all these haters will see the error of their ways!!
Righteous one keep up the fight !! One day all these haters will see the error of their ways!! Our streets
  • Score: -53

7:21am Wed 23 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE!

Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!!

To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't!

BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters!

I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!!

I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!!

Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!!
You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.
LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!!


Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that?

Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP.

Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!!

That is clutching at straws!!!

Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!!
Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol
Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite!

Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors.

It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history.

Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!!
We read & see what we want to see. I dont see it like that so the 22 nd of May will decide. Whatever the outcome UKIP will after that date force labour & the torys to have a vote in or out in the 2015 election so it matters not for ukip to win... For them not to would destroy them and they know it.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE! Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!! To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't! BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters! I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!! I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!! Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!![/p][/quote]You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.[/p][/quote]LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!! Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that? Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP. Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!! That is clutching at straws!!! Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!![/p][/quote]Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol[/p][/quote]Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite! Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors. It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history. Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!![/p][/quote]We read & see what we want to see. I dont see it like that so the 22 nd of May will decide. Whatever the outcome UKIP will after that date force labour & the torys to have a vote in or out in the 2015 election so it matters not for ukip to win... For them not to would destroy them and they know it. thomas222
  • Score: 0

11:19am Wed 23 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Apparently Nigel Farage and UKIP have asked David Moyes to join them. Moyes has experience on how to get out of Europe.
Apparently Nigel Farage and UKIP have asked David Moyes to join them. Moyes has experience on how to get out of Europe. The Righteous One
  • Score: -10

11:26am Wed 23 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Apparently Nigel Farage and UKIP have asked David Moyes to join them. Moyes has experience on how to get out of Europe.
You once again twist words. Farage was asked what he thought of his sacking while being questioned on sky... He said he has done a good job of getting them out of europe he can call ukip anytime & yes it was funny.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Apparently Nigel Farage and UKIP have asked David Moyes to join them. Moyes has experience on how to get out of Europe.[/p][/quote]You once again twist words. Farage was asked what he thought of his sacking while being questioned on sky... He said he has done a good job of getting them out of europe he can call ukip anytime & yes it was funny. thomas222
  • Score: 12

12:17am Thu 24 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Bloody hell Thomas222, have you had a humour transplant as it seems you cant take a bit of humour and you think its someone have a dig at your beloved UKIP!

As it was meant to be a humorous post!! As I can have a joke as well, but it seems you can't!!!

Are you worried about anything?
Bloody hell Thomas222, have you had a humour transplant as it seems you cant take a bit of humour and you think its someone have a dig at your beloved UKIP! As it was meant to be a humorous post!! As I can have a joke as well, but it seems you can't!!! Are you worried about anything? The Righteous One
  • Score: -20

12:27am Thu 24 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE!

Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!!

To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't!

BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters!

I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!!

I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!!

Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!!
You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.
LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!!


Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that?

Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP.

Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!!

That is clutching at straws!!!

Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!!
Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol
Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite!

Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors.

It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history.

Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!!
We read & see what we want to see. I dont see it like that so the 22 nd of May will decide. Whatever the outcome UKIP will after that date force labour & the torys to have a vote in or out in the 2015 election so it matters not for ukip to win... For them not to would destroy them and they know it.
Fact is that UKIP cannot force another party to have a referendum or not. Another fact is that yes you may do well in the Euro's but the MEP's cannot dictate what MP's can or cannot do. UKIP could win all seats possible in the Euro's but it still couldn't force a party in Westminster to have a referendum - MEP's do not have that power!!!

Actually it wouldn't destroy any party in Westminster. Look at the facts, UKIP took 13 seats in the last Euro's and did nothing to influence Westminster! Plus as people will find out UKIP don't vote for the good of the people, when a vote takes place in Brussels/Luxembourg/
Strasbourg - in fact many UKIP MEP's either abstain or just don't turn up - FACT!!! All UKIP are bothered about are creating problems and chaos within the EU - why vote against, or not vote at all, a motion that would cap mobile phone roaming fees within the EU?? How is that benefitting the people that voted UKIP in?

As it is the poster campaign has been a big massive flop and has actually turned people away from UKIP for the blatant double standards that have shown up with UKIP!
Plus like I said, look at all news channel reports which interview random strangers who agree with some of hat UKI say but would not vote, or it would have to take a lot more than just one policy to convince people to vote for UKIP.
People are not as simple as you think they are, and breaking a voting habit is very hard to do!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE! Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!! To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't! BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters! I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!! I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!! Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!![/p][/quote]You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.[/p][/quote]LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!! Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that? Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP. Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!! That is clutching at straws!!! Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!![/p][/quote]Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol[/p][/quote]Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite! Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors. It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history. Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!![/p][/quote]We read & see what we want to see. I dont see it like that so the 22 nd of May will decide. Whatever the outcome UKIP will after that date force labour & the torys to have a vote in or out in the 2015 election so it matters not for ukip to win... For them not to would destroy them and they know it.[/p][/quote]Fact is that UKIP cannot force another party to have a referendum or not. Another fact is that yes you may do well in the Euro's but the MEP's cannot dictate what MP's can or cannot do. UKIP could win all seats possible in the Euro's but it still couldn't force a party in Westminster to have a referendum - MEP's do not have that power!!! Actually it wouldn't destroy any party in Westminster. Look at the facts, UKIP took 13 seats in the last Euro's and did nothing to influence Westminster! Plus as people will find out UKIP don't vote for the good of the people, when a vote takes place in Brussels/Luxembourg/ Strasbourg - in fact many UKIP MEP's either abstain or just don't turn up - FACT!!! All UKIP are bothered about are creating problems and chaos within the EU - why vote against, or not vote at all, a motion that would cap mobile phone roaming fees within the EU?? How is that benefitting the people that voted UKIP in? As it is the poster campaign has been a big massive flop and has actually turned people away from UKIP for the blatant double standards that have shown up with UKIP! Plus like I said, look at all news channel reports which interview random strangers who agree with some of hat UKI say but would not vote, or it would have to take a lot more than just one policy to convince people to vote for UKIP. People are not as simple as you think they are, and breaking a voting habit is very hard to do!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -18

12:28am Thu 24 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thomas222,

Is there any reason as to why there are no African origin, Caribbean origin or Asian origin (including Japanese and Chinese) people in the new set of billboard posters?

It does seem a bit weird and possibly giving off a more sinister subliminal message!
Thomas222, Is there any reason as to why there are no African origin, Caribbean origin or Asian origin (including Japanese and Chinese) people in the new set of billboard posters? It does seem a bit weird and possibly giving off a more sinister subliminal message! The Righteous One
  • Score: -31

7:56am Thu 24 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas222,

Is there any reason as to why there are no African origin, Caribbean origin or Asian origin (including Japanese and Chinese) people in the new set of billboard posters?

It does seem a bit weird and possibly giving off a more sinister subliminal message!
Racist is a word you and people like you use to shut down any sensible discussion. We have many members of different race & last i knew & you really do have to do better than the racist card because its just not workinh anymore. People are sick of hearing it & every time it comes up we get more members. You are to much of a .. if, when,could,should senarios.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas222, Is there any reason as to why there are no African origin, Caribbean origin or Asian origin (including Japanese and Chinese) people in the new set of billboard posters? It does seem a bit weird and possibly giving off a more sinister subliminal message![/p][/quote]Racist is a word you and people like you use to shut down any sensible discussion. We have many members of different race & last i knew & you really do have to do better than the racist card because its just not workinh anymore. People are sick of hearing it & every time it comes up we get more members. You are to much of a .. if, when,could,should senarios. thomas222
  • Score: 0

7:58am Thu 24 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE!

Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!!

To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't!

BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters!

I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!!

I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!!

Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!!
You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.
LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!!


Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that?

Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP.

Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!!

That is clutching at straws!!!

Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!!
Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol
Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite!

Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors.

It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history.

Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!!
We read & see what we want to see. I dont see it like that so the 22 nd of May will decide. Whatever the outcome UKIP will after that date force labour & the torys to have a vote in or out in the 2015 election so it matters not for ukip to win... For them not to would destroy them and they know it.
Fact is that UKIP cannot force another party to have a referendum or not. Another fact is that yes you may do well in the Euro's but the MEP's cannot dictate what MP's can or cannot do. UKIP could win all seats possible in the Euro's but it still couldn't force a party in Westminster to have a referendum - MEP's do not have that power!!!

Actually it wouldn't destroy any party in Westminster. Look at the facts, UKIP took 13 seats in the last Euro's and did nothing to influence Westminster! Plus as people will find out UKIP don't vote for the good of the people, when a vote takes place in Brussels/Luxembourg/

Strasbourg - in fact many UKIP MEP's either abstain or just don't turn up - FACT!!! All UKIP are bothered about are creating problems and chaos within the EU - why vote against, or not vote at all, a motion that would cap mobile phone roaming fees within the EU?? How is that benefitting the people that voted UKIP in?

As it is the poster campaign has been a big massive flop and has actually turned people away from UKIP for the blatant double standards that have shown up with UKIP!
Plus like I said, look at all news channel reports which interview random strangers who agree with some of hat UKI say but would not vote, or it would have to take a lot more than just one policy to convince people to vote for UKIP.
People are not as simple as you think they are, and breaking a voting habit is very hard to do!!!
The people will force them to back peddle if they dont they are finished in 2015.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE! Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!! To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't! BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters! I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!! I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!! Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!![/p][/quote]You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.[/p][/quote]LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!! Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that? Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP. Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!! That is clutching at straws!!! Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!![/p][/quote]Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol[/p][/quote]Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite! Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors. It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history. Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!![/p][/quote]We read & see what we want to see. I dont see it like that so the 22 nd of May will decide. Whatever the outcome UKIP will after that date force labour & the torys to have a vote in or out in the 2015 election so it matters not for ukip to win... For them not to would destroy them and they know it.[/p][/quote]Fact is that UKIP cannot force another party to have a referendum or not. Another fact is that yes you may do well in the Euro's but the MEP's cannot dictate what MP's can or cannot do. UKIP could win all seats possible in the Euro's but it still couldn't force a party in Westminster to have a referendum - MEP's do not have that power!!! Actually it wouldn't destroy any party in Westminster. Look at the facts, UKIP took 13 seats in the last Euro's and did nothing to influence Westminster! Plus as people will find out UKIP don't vote for the good of the people, when a vote takes place in Brussels/Luxembourg/ Strasbourg - in fact many UKIP MEP's either abstain or just don't turn up - FACT!!! All UKIP are bothered about are creating problems and chaos within the EU - why vote against, or not vote at all, a motion that would cap mobile phone roaming fees within the EU?? How is that benefitting the people that voted UKIP in? As it is the poster campaign has been a big massive flop and has actually turned people away from UKIP for the blatant double standards that have shown up with UKIP! Plus like I said, look at all news channel reports which interview random strangers who agree with some of hat UKI say but would not vote, or it would have to take a lot more than just one policy to convince people to vote for UKIP. People are not as simple as you think they are, and breaking a voting habit is very hard to do!!![/p][/quote]The people will force them to back peddle if they dont they are finished in 2015. thomas222
  • Score: 1

8:57am Thu 24 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE!

Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!!

To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't!

BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters!

I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!!

I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!!

Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!!
You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.
LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!!


Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that?

Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP.

Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!!

That is clutching at straws!!!

Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!!
Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol
Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite!

Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors.

It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history.

Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!!
We read & see what we want to see. I dont see it like that so the 22 nd of May will decide. Whatever the outcome UKIP will after that date force labour & the torys to have a vote in or out in the 2015 election so it matters not for ukip to win... For them not to would destroy them and they know it.
Fact is that UKIP cannot force another party to have a referendum or not. Another fact is that yes you may do well in the Euro's but the MEP's cannot dictate what MP's can or cannot do. UKIP could win all seats possible in the Euro's but it still couldn't force a party in Westminster to have a referendum - MEP's do not have that power!!!

Actually it wouldn't destroy any party in Westminster. Look at the facts, UKIP took 13 seats in the last Euro's and did nothing to influence Westminster! Plus as people will find out UKIP don't vote for the good of the people, when a vote takes place in Brussels/Luxembourg/


Strasbourg - in fact many UKIP MEP's either abstain or just don't turn up - FACT!!! All UKIP are bothered about are creating problems and chaos within the EU - why vote against, or not vote at all, a motion that would cap mobile phone roaming fees within the EU?? How is that benefitting the people that voted UKIP in?

As it is the poster campaign has been a big massive flop and has actually turned people away from UKIP for the blatant double standards that have shown up with UKIP!
Plus like I said, look at all news channel reports which interview random strangers who agree with some of hat UKI say but would not vote, or it would have to take a lot more than just one policy to convince people to vote for UKIP.
People are not as simple as you think they are, and breaking a voting habit is very hard to do!!!
The people will force them to back peddle if they dont they are finished in 2015.
No they won't!

In fact people are not too bothered about a referendum, they are more bothered about the moneey in their age packet or keeping their job, or making sure that there are enough teachers to teach and enough doctors to heal.

yes EU is there but it is definitely not a priority, and never will be until there is an internal wall. The main thing is, if the majority of people were so fired up about the EU and were wanting the referendum then they would have forced the situation long before now - but as it hasn't happened shows the malaise people have about thee topic - just as long as the rights things are being said then people won't be demanding a referendum - only a select few!

It is the same situation in all the major EU countries in that there is a small voice of discontent and effectively trying to persuade that the small voice is the majority. The majority are just getting on with their lives and have more important things to think about, more than being part or the EU, when it comes to the elections. Just look at France there is more discontent about being part of the EU, than what there is in the UK, but when its elections time EU is just a minor distraction and other policies are more important to the electorate, which is the same here!

Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE! Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!! To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't! BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters! I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!! I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!! Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!![/p][/quote]You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.[/p][/quote]LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!! Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that? Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP. Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!! That is clutching at straws!!! Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!![/p][/quote]Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol[/p][/quote]Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite! Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors. It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history. Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!![/p][/quote]We read & see what we want to see. I dont see it like that so the 22 nd of May will decide. Whatever the outcome UKIP will after that date force labour & the torys to have a vote in or out in the 2015 election so it matters not for ukip to win... For them not to would destroy them and they know it.[/p][/quote]Fact is that UKIP cannot force another party to have a referendum or not. Another fact is that yes you may do well in the Euro's but the MEP's cannot dictate what MP's can or cannot do. UKIP could win all seats possible in the Euro's but it still couldn't force a party in Westminster to have a referendum - MEP's do not have that power!!! Actually it wouldn't destroy any party in Westminster. Look at the facts, UKIP took 13 seats in the last Euro's and did nothing to influence Westminster! Plus as people will find out UKIP don't vote for the good of the people, when a vote takes place in Brussels/Luxembourg/ Strasbourg - in fact many UKIP MEP's either abstain or just don't turn up - FACT!!! All UKIP are bothered about are creating problems and chaos within the EU - why vote against, or not vote at all, a motion that would cap mobile phone roaming fees within the EU?? How is that benefitting the people that voted UKIP in? As it is the poster campaign has been a big massive flop and has actually turned people away from UKIP for the blatant double standards that have shown up with UKIP! Plus like I said, look at all news channel reports which interview random strangers who agree with some of hat UKI say but would not vote, or it would have to take a lot more than just one policy to convince people to vote for UKIP. People are not as simple as you think they are, and breaking a voting habit is very hard to do!!![/p][/quote]The people will force them to back peddle if they dont they are finished in 2015.[/p][/quote]No they won't! In fact people are not too bothered about a referendum, they are more bothered about the moneey in their age packet or keeping their job, or making sure that there are enough teachers to teach and enough doctors to heal. yes EU is there but it is definitely not a priority, and never will be until there is an internal wall. The main thing is, if the majority of people were so fired up about the EU and were wanting the referendum then they would have forced the situation long before now - but as it hasn't happened shows the malaise people have about thee topic - just as long as the rights things are being said then people won't be demanding a referendum - only a select few! It is the same situation in all the major EU countries in that there is a small voice of discontent and effectively trying to persuade that the small voice is the majority. The majority are just getting on with their lives and have more important things to think about, more than being part or the EU, when it comes to the elections. Just look at France there is more discontent about being part of the EU, than what there is in the UK, but when its elections time EU is just a minor distraction and other policies are more important to the electorate, which is the same here! Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all? The Righteous One
  • Score: 0

9:10am Thu 24 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE!

Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!!

To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't!

BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters!

I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!!

I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!!

Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!!
You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.
LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!!


Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that?

Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP.

Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!!

That is clutching at straws!!!

Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!!
Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol
Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite!

Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors.

It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history.

Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!!
We read & see what we want to see. I dont see it like that so the 22 nd of May will decide. Whatever the outcome UKIP will after that date force labour & the torys to have a vote in or out in the 2015 election so it matters not for ukip to win... For them not to would destroy them and they know it.
Fact is that UKIP cannot force another party to have a referendum or not. Another fact is that yes you may do well in the Euro's but the MEP's cannot dictate what MP's can or cannot do. UKIP could win all seats possible in the Euro's but it still couldn't force a party in Westminster to have a referendum - MEP's do not have that power!!!

Actually it wouldn't destroy any party in Westminster. Look at the facts, UKIP took 13 seats in the last Euro's and did nothing to influence Westminster! Plus as people will find out UKIP don't vote for the good of the people, when a vote takes place in Brussels/Luxembourg/



Strasbourg - in fact many UKIP MEP's either abstain or just don't turn up - FACT!!! All UKIP are bothered about are creating problems and chaos within the EU - why vote against, or not vote at all, a motion that would cap mobile phone roaming fees within the EU?? How is that benefitting the people that voted UKIP in?

As it is the poster campaign has been a big massive flop and has actually turned people away from UKIP for the blatant double standards that have shown up with UKIP!
Plus like I said, look at all news channel reports which interview random strangers who agree with some of hat UKI say but would not vote, or it would have to take a lot more than just one policy to convince people to vote for UKIP.
People are not as simple as you think they are, and breaking a voting habit is very hard to do!!!
The people will force them to back peddle if they dont they are finished in 2015.
No they won't!

In fact people are not too bothered about a referendum, they are more bothered about the moneey in their age packet or keeping their job, or making sure that there are enough teachers to teach and enough doctors to heal.

yes EU is there but it is definitely not a priority, and never will be until there is an internal wall. The main thing is, if the majority of people were so fired up about the EU and were wanting the referendum then they would have forced the situation long before now - but as it hasn't happened shows the malaise people have about thee topic - just as long as the rights things are being said then people won't be demanding a referendum - only a select few!

It is the same situation in all the major EU countries in that there is a small voice of discontent and effectively trying to persuade that the small voice is the majority. The majority are just getting on with their lives and have more important things to think about, more than being part or the EU, when it comes to the elections. Just look at France there is more discontent about being part of the EU, than what there is in the UK, but when its elections time EU is just a minor distraction and other policies are more important to the electorate, which is the same here!

Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?
The past is past & what ever the stats last time has no bearing on this time so its not worth debating. Its now that matters and on the 22nd May a new chapter in British politics never seen before. Ukip will hold the balance of power in 2015 regardless of what you think. You underestimate the anti EU numbers & like the commentators in the media will soon get one hell of a shock to the system. Did you like the broadcast last evening & i hope there was enough different cultures on show for you.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE! Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!! To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't! BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters! I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!! I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!! Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!![/p][/quote]You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.[/p][/quote]LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!! Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that? Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP. Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!! That is clutching at straws!!! Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!![/p][/quote]Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol[/p][/quote]Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite! Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors. It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history. Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!![/p][/quote]We read & see what we want to see. I dont see it like that so the 22 nd of May will decide. Whatever the outcome UKIP will after that date force labour & the torys to have a vote in or out in the 2015 election so it matters not for ukip to win... For them not to would destroy them and they know it.[/p][/quote]Fact is that UKIP cannot force another party to have a referendum or not. Another fact is that yes you may do well in the Euro's but the MEP's cannot dictate what MP's can or cannot do. UKIP could win all seats possible in the Euro's but it still couldn't force a party in Westminster to have a referendum - MEP's do not have that power!!! Actually it wouldn't destroy any party in Westminster. Look at the facts, UKIP took 13 seats in the last Euro's and did nothing to influence Westminster! Plus as people will find out UKIP don't vote for the good of the people, when a vote takes place in Brussels/Luxembourg/ Strasbourg - in fact many UKIP MEP's either abstain or just don't turn up - FACT!!! All UKIP are bothered about are creating problems and chaos within the EU - why vote against, or not vote at all, a motion that would cap mobile phone roaming fees within the EU?? How is that benefitting the people that voted UKIP in? As it is the poster campaign has been a big massive flop and has actually turned people away from UKIP for the blatant double standards that have shown up with UKIP! Plus like I said, look at all news channel reports which interview random strangers who agree with some of hat UKI say but would not vote, or it would have to take a lot more than just one policy to convince people to vote for UKIP. People are not as simple as you think they are, and breaking a voting habit is very hard to do!!![/p][/quote]The people will force them to back peddle if they dont they are finished in 2015.[/p][/quote]No they won't! In fact people are not too bothered about a referendum, they are more bothered about the moneey in their age packet or keeping their job, or making sure that there are enough teachers to teach and enough doctors to heal. yes EU is there but it is definitely not a priority, and never will be until there is an internal wall. The main thing is, if the majority of people were so fired up about the EU and were wanting the referendum then they would have forced the situation long before now - but as it hasn't happened shows the malaise people have about thee topic - just as long as the rights things are being said then people won't be demanding a referendum - only a select few! It is the same situation in all the major EU countries in that there is a small voice of discontent and effectively trying to persuade that the small voice is the majority. The majority are just getting on with their lives and have more important things to think about, more than being part or the EU, when it comes to the elections. Just look at France there is more discontent about being part of the EU, than what there is in the UK, but when its elections time EU is just a minor distraction and other policies are more important to the electorate, which is the same here! Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?[/p][/quote]The past is past & what ever the stats last time has no bearing on this time so its not worth debating. Its now that matters and on the 22nd May a new chapter in British politics never seen before. Ukip will hold the balance of power in 2015 regardless of what you think. You underestimate the anti EU numbers & like the commentators in the media will soon get one hell of a shock to the system. Did you like the broadcast last evening & i hope there was enough different cultures on show for you. thomas222
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The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE!

Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!!

To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't!

BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters!

I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!!

I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!!

Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!!
You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.
LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!!


Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that?

Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP.

Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!!

That is clutching at straws!!!

Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!!
Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol
Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite!

Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors.

It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history.

Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!!
We read & see what we want to see. I dont see it like that so the 22 nd of May will decide. Whatever the outcome UKIP will after that date force labour & the torys to have a vote in or out in the 2015 election so it matters not for ukip to win... For them not to would destroy them and they know it.
Fact is that UKIP cannot force another party to have a referendum or not. Another fact is that yes you may do well in the Euro's but the MEP's cannot dictate what MP's can or cannot do. UKIP could win all seats possible in the Euro's but it still couldn't force a party in Westminster to have a referendum - MEP's do not have that power!!!

Actually it wouldn't destroy any party in Westminster. Look at the facts, UKIP took 13 seats in the last Euro's and did nothing to influence Westminster! Plus as people will find out UKIP don't vote for the good of the people, when a vote takes place in Brussels/Luxembourg/




Strasbourg - in fact many UKIP MEP's either abstain or just don't turn up - FACT!!! All UKIP are bothered about are creating problems and chaos within the EU - why vote against, or not vote at all, a motion that would cap mobile phone roaming fees within the EU?? How is that benefitting the people that voted UKIP in?

As it is the poster campaign has been a big massive flop and has actually turned people away from UKIP for the blatant double standards that have shown up with UKIP!
Plus like I said, look at all news channel reports which interview random strangers who agree with some of hat UKI say but would not vote, or it would have to take a lot more than just one policy to convince people to vote for UKIP.
People are not as simple as you think they are, and breaking a voting habit is very hard to do!!!
The people will force them to back peddle if they dont they are finished in 2015.
No they won't!

In fact people are not too bothered about a referendum, they are more bothered about the moneey in their age packet or keeping their job, or making sure that there are enough teachers to teach and enough doctors to heal.

yes EU is there but it is definitely not a priority, and never will be until there is an internal wall. The main thing is, if the majority of people were so fired up about the EU and were wanting the referendum then they would have forced the situation long before now - but as it hasn't happened shows the malaise people have about thee topic - just as long as the rights things are being said then people won't be demanding a referendum - only a select few!

It is the same situation in all the major EU countries in that there is a small voice of discontent and effectively trying to persuade that the small voice is the majority. The majority are just getting on with their lives and have more important things to think about, more than being part or the EU, when it comes to the elections. Just look at France there is more discontent about being part of the EU, than what there is in the UK, but when its elections time EU is just a minor distraction and other policies are more important to the electorate, which is the same here!

Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?
The past is past & what ever the stats last time has no bearing on this time so its not worth debating. Its now that matters and on the 22nd May a new chapter in British politics never seen before. Ukip will hold the balance of power in 2015 regardless of what you think. You underestimate the anti EU numbers & like the commentators in the media will soon get one hell of a shock to the system. Did you like the broadcast last evening & i hope there was enough different cultures on show for you.
You cannot just say the past is the past with stats!!!

Stats give an overall picture from the past to the present from which a more accurate picture can be formed of how the electorate will vote.

Would you allow the Romans back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past?

Would you allow the Greeks back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past?

I can guarantee that you wouldn't!

I do not under-estimate the anti-EU feeling, but what you under-estimate is how people do not change their voting habits!!! Sure people admire UKIP and what they stand for and what they have brought into the open - the one and only policy/principle. BUT the majority will still not vote for UKIP, why is that? Lack of confidence in Farage? Lack of other policies which people are more bothered about? Lack of answers to the questions that UKIP pose? Double standards by UKIP and still expect to be voted for?

Fact is balance of power will not happen in 2015. We are coming out of recession and money is beginning to flow again and that, as history shows us, means that The Conservatives will be voted in again. BUT I can guarantee that it will be a hung Parliament and I also know, for a fact, that Farage has stated he will NEVER form a coalition with The Conservatives whilst Cameron is in charge and if no other party is willing to form a coalition then the Conservatives will govern with a minority and rely on votes from independents and rebels! That is the more likely outcome of 2015!

I saw the broadcast and had to laugh apart from pulling out of the EU they posed many questions with NO answers - what people want to hear are answers not just questions! The UK people want to be governed by themselves - so how are the going to lower fuel prices? How are they going to stop Scotland getting independence? How are they going to lower taxation whilst trying to clear a National Debt that is over 470% of the GDP? As I say plenty of questions but no answers. People want to hear answers, although it may not happen!!!

There is no earthquake going to happen. People have seen the double-standards in the new poster campaign and that will dent UKIP. No coloured people (although there have been coloured people in Britain for well over 2000 years!!!!). 26 Million EU citizens after our jobs - errr we are EU citizens so UKIP are saying 26 million British are after British jobs, and yet Farage does not trust any British person to be his secretary or understudy and as such stolen 2 jobs away from the British workforce!!! Having a go at MEP's who live the life of luxury and yet forgetting to tell the electorate that UKIP members do the same and have actually used over £3million in expenses wrongly according to the EU expenses rules!!!! Double standards all the way through and yet they expect to be treated differently from the other parties!!!

I have answered your question, now answer mine, unless you are not prepared to do so then that is another nail in the UKIP coffin - not prepared to answers the elctorate's questions!!!!

Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE! Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!! To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't! BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters! I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!! I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!! Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!![/p][/quote]You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.[/p][/quote]LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!! Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that? Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP. Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!! That is clutching at straws!!! Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!![/p][/quote]Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol[/p][/quote]Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite! Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors. It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history. Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!![/p][/quote]We read & see what we want to see. I dont see it like that so the 22 nd of May will decide. Whatever the outcome UKIP will after that date force labour & the torys to have a vote in or out in the 2015 election so it matters not for ukip to win... For them not to would destroy them and they know it.[/p][/quote]Fact is that UKIP cannot force another party to have a referendum or not. Another fact is that yes you may do well in the Euro's but the MEP's cannot dictate what MP's can or cannot do. UKIP could win all seats possible in the Euro's but it still couldn't force a party in Westminster to have a referendum - MEP's do not have that power!!! Actually it wouldn't destroy any party in Westminster. Look at the facts, UKIP took 13 seats in the last Euro's and did nothing to influence Westminster! Plus as people will find out UKIP don't vote for the good of the people, when a vote takes place in Brussels/Luxembourg/ Strasbourg - in fact many UKIP MEP's either abstain or just don't turn up - FACT!!! All UKIP are bothered about are creating problems and chaos within the EU - why vote against, or not vote at all, a motion that would cap mobile phone roaming fees within the EU?? How is that benefitting the people that voted UKIP in? As it is the poster campaign has been a big massive flop and has actually turned people away from UKIP for the blatant double standards that have shown up with UKIP! Plus like I said, look at all news channel reports which interview random strangers who agree with some of hat UKI say but would not vote, or it would have to take a lot more than just one policy to convince people to vote for UKIP. People are not as simple as you think they are, and breaking a voting habit is very hard to do!!![/p][/quote]The people will force them to back peddle if they dont they are finished in 2015.[/p][/quote]No they won't! In fact people are not too bothered about a referendum, they are more bothered about the moneey in their age packet or keeping their job, or making sure that there are enough teachers to teach and enough doctors to heal. yes EU is there but it is definitely not a priority, and never will be until there is an internal wall. The main thing is, if the majority of people were so fired up about the EU and were wanting the referendum then they would have forced the situation long before now - but as it hasn't happened shows the malaise people have about thee topic - just as long as the rights things are being said then people won't be demanding a referendum - only a select few! It is the same situation in all the major EU countries in that there is a small voice of discontent and effectively trying to persuade that the small voice is the majority. The majority are just getting on with their lives and have more important things to think about, more than being part or the EU, when it comes to the elections. Just look at France there is more discontent about being part of the EU, than what there is in the UK, but when its elections time EU is just a minor distraction and other policies are more important to the electorate, which is the same here! Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?[/p][/quote]The past is past & what ever the stats last time has no bearing on this time so its not worth debating. Its now that matters and on the 22nd May a new chapter in British politics never seen before. Ukip will hold the balance of power in 2015 regardless of what you think. You underestimate the anti EU numbers & like the commentators in the media will soon get one hell of a shock to the system. Did you like the broadcast last evening & i hope there was enough different cultures on show for you.[/p][/quote]You cannot just say the past is the past with stats!!! Stats give an overall picture from the past to the present from which a more accurate picture can be formed of how the electorate will vote. Would you allow the Romans back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past? Would you allow the Greeks back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past? I can guarantee that you wouldn't! I do not under-estimate the anti-EU feeling, but what you under-estimate is how people do not change their voting habits!!! Sure people admire UKIP and what they stand for and what they have brought into the open - the one and only policy/principle. BUT the majority will still not vote for UKIP, why is that? Lack of confidence in Farage? Lack of other policies which people are more bothered about? Lack of answers to the questions that UKIP pose? Double standards by UKIP and still expect to be voted for? Fact is balance of power will not happen in 2015. We are coming out of recession and money is beginning to flow again and that, as history shows us, means that The Conservatives will be voted in again. BUT I can guarantee that it will be a hung Parliament and I also know, for a fact, that Farage has stated he will NEVER form a coalition with The Conservatives whilst Cameron is in charge and if no other party is willing to form a coalition then the Conservatives will govern with a minority and rely on votes from independents and rebels! That is the more likely outcome of 2015! I saw the broadcast and had to laugh apart from pulling out of the EU they posed many questions with NO answers - what people want to hear are answers not just questions! The UK people want to be governed by themselves - so how are the going to lower fuel prices? How are they going to stop Scotland getting independence? How are they going to lower taxation whilst trying to clear a National Debt that is over 470% of the GDP? As I say plenty of questions but no answers. People want to hear answers, although it may not happen!!! There is no earthquake going to happen. People have seen the double-standards in the new poster campaign and that will dent UKIP. No coloured people (although there have been coloured people in Britain for well over 2000 years!!!!). 26 Million EU citizens after our jobs - errr we are EU citizens so UKIP are saying 26 million British are after British jobs, and yet Farage does not trust any British person to be his secretary or understudy and as such stolen 2 jobs away from the British workforce!!! Having a go at MEP's who live the life of luxury and yet forgetting to tell the electorate that UKIP members do the same and have actually used over £3million in expenses wrongly according to the EU expenses rules!!!! Double standards all the way through and yet they expect to be treated differently from the other parties!!! I have answered your question, now answer mine, unless you are not prepared to do so then that is another nail in the UKIP coffin - not prepared to answers the elctorate's questions!!!! Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all? The Righteous One
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10:34am Thu 24 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE!

Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!!

To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't!

BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters!

I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!!

I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!!

Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!!
You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.
LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!!


Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that?

Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP.

Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!!

That is clutching at straws!!!

Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!!
Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol
Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite!

Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors.

It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history.

Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!!
We read & see what we want to see. I dont see it like that so the 22 nd of May will decide. Whatever the outcome UKIP will after that date force labour & the torys to have a vote in or out in the 2015 election so it matters not for ukip to win... For them not to would destroy them and they know it.
Fact is that UKIP cannot force another party to have a referendum or not. Another fact is that yes you may do well in the Euro's but the MEP's cannot dictate what MP's can or cannot do. UKIP could win all seats possible in the Euro's but it still couldn't force a party in Westminster to have a referendum - MEP's do not have that power!!!

Actually it wouldn't destroy any party in Westminster. Look at the facts, UKIP took 13 seats in the last Euro's and did nothing to influence Westminster! Plus as people will find out UKIP don't vote for the good of the people, when a vote takes place in Brussels/Luxembourg/





Strasbourg - in fact many UKIP MEP's either abstain or just don't turn up - FACT!!! All UKIP are bothered about are creating problems and chaos within the EU - why vote against, or not vote at all, a motion that would cap mobile phone roaming fees within the EU?? How is that benefitting the people that voted UKIP in?

As it is the poster campaign has been a big massive flop and has actually turned people away from UKIP for the blatant double standards that have shown up with UKIP!
Plus like I said, look at all news channel reports which interview random strangers who agree with some of hat UKI say but would not vote, or it would have to take a lot more than just one policy to convince people to vote for UKIP.
People are not as simple as you think they are, and breaking a voting habit is very hard to do!!!
The people will force them to back peddle if they dont they are finished in 2015.
No they won't!

In fact people are not too bothered about a referendum, they are more bothered about the moneey in their age packet or keeping their job, or making sure that there are enough teachers to teach and enough doctors to heal.

yes EU is there but it is definitely not a priority, and never will be until there is an internal wall. The main thing is, if the majority of people were so fired up about the EU and were wanting the referendum then they would have forced the situation long before now - but as it hasn't happened shows the malaise people have about thee topic - just as long as the rights things are being said then people won't be demanding a referendum - only a select few!

It is the same situation in all the major EU countries in that there is a small voice of discontent and effectively trying to persuade that the small voice is the majority. The majority are just getting on with their lives and have more important things to think about, more than being part or the EU, when it comes to the elections. Just look at France there is more discontent about being part of the EU, than what there is in the UK, but when its elections time EU is just a minor distraction and other policies are more important to the electorate, which is the same here!

Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?
The past is past & what ever the stats last time has no bearing on this time so its not worth debating. Its now that matters and on the 22nd May a new chapter in British politics never seen before. Ukip will hold the balance of power in 2015 regardless of what you think. You underestimate the anti EU numbers & like the commentators in the media will soon get one hell of a shock to the system. Did you like the broadcast last evening & i hope there was enough different cultures on show for you.
You cannot just say the past is the past with stats!!!

Stats give an overall picture from the past to the present from which a more accurate picture can be formed of how the electorate will vote.

Would you allow the Romans back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past?

Would you allow the Greeks back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past?

I can guarantee that you wouldn't!

I do not under-estimate the anti-EU feeling, but what you under-estimate is how people do not change their voting habits!!! Sure people admire UKIP and what they stand for and what they have brought into the open - the one and only policy/principle. BUT the majority will still not vote for UKIP, why is that? Lack of confidence in Farage? Lack of other policies which people are more bothered about? Lack of answers to the questions that UKIP pose? Double standards by UKIP and still expect to be voted for?

Fact is balance of power will not happen in 2015. We are coming out of recession and money is beginning to flow again and that, as history shows us, means that The Conservatives will be voted in again. BUT I can guarantee that it will be a hung Parliament and I also know, for a fact, that Farage has stated he will NEVER form a coalition with The Conservatives whilst Cameron is in charge and if no other party is willing to form a coalition then the Conservatives will govern with a minority and rely on votes from independents and rebels! That is the more likely outcome of 2015!

I saw the broadcast and had to laugh apart from pulling out of the EU they posed many questions with NO answers - what people want to hear are answers not just questions! The UK people want to be governed by themselves - so how are the going to lower fuel prices? How are they going to stop Scotland getting independence? How are they going to lower taxation whilst trying to clear a National Debt that is over 470% of the GDP? As I say plenty of questions but no answers. People want to hear answers, although it may not happen!!!

There is no earthquake going to happen. People have seen the double-standards in the new poster campaign and that will dent UKIP. No coloured people (although there have been coloured people in Britain for well over 2000 years!!!!). 26 Million EU citizens after our jobs - errr we are EU citizens so UKIP are saying 26 million British are after British jobs, and yet Farage does not trust any British person to be his secretary or understudy and as such stolen 2 jobs away from the British workforce!!! Having a go at MEP's who live the life of luxury and yet forgetting to tell the electorate that UKIP members do the same and have actually used over £3million in expenses wrongly according to the EU expenses rules!!!! Double standards all the way through and yet they expect to be treated differently from the other parties!!!

I have answered your question, now answer mine, unless you are not prepared to do so then that is another nail in the UKIP coffin - not prepared to answers the elctorate's questions!!!!

Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?
Once again i will tell you. What has been the voting pattern in the past has nothing to do with now. The reason the voting decline of the past was because people really had no concern with the EU. Now they have finally woken up to the reality that we are being put into a United states of Europe without having any consent of the public. This election will blow all past stats out of the water people have woken up.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE! Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!! To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't! BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters! I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!! I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!! Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!![/p][/quote]You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.[/p][/quote]LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!! Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that? Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP. Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!! That is clutching at straws!!! Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!![/p][/quote]Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol[/p][/quote]Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite! Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors. It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history. Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!![/p][/quote]We read & see what we want to see. I dont see it like that so the 22 nd of May will decide. Whatever the outcome UKIP will after that date force labour & the torys to have a vote in or out in the 2015 election so it matters not for ukip to win... For them not to would destroy them and they know it.[/p][/quote]Fact is that UKIP cannot force another party to have a referendum or not. Another fact is that yes you may do well in the Euro's but the MEP's cannot dictate what MP's can or cannot do. UKIP could win all seats possible in the Euro's but it still couldn't force a party in Westminster to have a referendum - MEP's do not have that power!!! Actually it wouldn't destroy any party in Westminster. Look at the facts, UKIP took 13 seats in the last Euro's and did nothing to influence Westminster! Plus as people will find out UKIP don't vote for the good of the people, when a vote takes place in Brussels/Luxembourg/ Strasbourg - in fact many UKIP MEP's either abstain or just don't turn up - FACT!!! All UKIP are bothered about are creating problems and chaos within the EU - why vote against, or not vote at all, a motion that would cap mobile phone roaming fees within the EU?? How is that benefitting the people that voted UKIP in? As it is the poster campaign has been a big massive flop and has actually turned people away from UKIP for the blatant double standards that have shown up with UKIP! Plus like I said, look at all news channel reports which interview random strangers who agree with some of hat UKI say but would not vote, or it would have to take a lot more than just one policy to convince people to vote for UKIP. People are not as simple as you think they are, and breaking a voting habit is very hard to do!!![/p][/quote]The people will force them to back peddle if they dont they are finished in 2015.[/p][/quote]No they won't! In fact people are not too bothered about a referendum, they are more bothered about the moneey in their age packet or keeping their job, or making sure that there are enough teachers to teach and enough doctors to heal. yes EU is there but it is definitely not a priority, and never will be until there is an internal wall. The main thing is, if the majority of people were so fired up about the EU and were wanting the referendum then they would have forced the situation long before now - but as it hasn't happened shows the malaise people have about thee topic - just as long as the rights things are being said then people won't be demanding a referendum - only a select few! It is the same situation in all the major EU countries in that there is a small voice of discontent and effectively trying to persuade that the small voice is the majority. The majority are just getting on with their lives and have more important things to think about, more than being part or the EU, when it comes to the elections. Just look at France there is more discontent about being part of the EU, than what there is in the UK, but when its elections time EU is just a minor distraction and other policies are more important to the electorate, which is the same here! Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?[/p][/quote]The past is past & what ever the stats last time has no bearing on this time so its not worth debating. Its now that matters and on the 22nd May a new chapter in British politics never seen before. Ukip will hold the balance of power in 2015 regardless of what you think. You underestimate the anti EU numbers & like the commentators in the media will soon get one hell of a shock to the system. Did you like the broadcast last evening & i hope there was enough different cultures on show for you.[/p][/quote]You cannot just say the past is the past with stats!!! Stats give an overall picture from the past to the present from which a more accurate picture can be formed of how the electorate will vote. Would you allow the Romans back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past? Would you allow the Greeks back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past? I can guarantee that you wouldn't! I do not under-estimate the anti-EU feeling, but what you under-estimate is how people do not change their voting habits!!! Sure people admire UKIP and what they stand for and what they have brought into the open - the one and only policy/principle. BUT the majority will still not vote for UKIP, why is that? Lack of confidence in Farage? Lack of other policies which people are more bothered about? Lack of answers to the questions that UKIP pose? Double standards by UKIP and still expect to be voted for? Fact is balance of power will not happen in 2015. We are coming out of recession and money is beginning to flow again and that, as history shows us, means that The Conservatives will be voted in again. BUT I can guarantee that it will be a hung Parliament and I also know, for a fact, that Farage has stated he will NEVER form a coalition with The Conservatives whilst Cameron is in charge and if no other party is willing to form a coalition then the Conservatives will govern with a minority and rely on votes from independents and rebels! That is the more likely outcome of 2015! I saw the broadcast and had to laugh apart from pulling out of the EU they posed many questions with NO answers - what people want to hear are answers not just questions! The UK people want to be governed by themselves - so how are the going to lower fuel prices? How are they going to stop Scotland getting independence? How are they going to lower taxation whilst trying to clear a National Debt that is over 470% of the GDP? As I say plenty of questions but no answers. People want to hear answers, although it may not happen!!! There is no earthquake going to happen. People have seen the double-standards in the new poster campaign and that will dent UKIP. No coloured people (although there have been coloured people in Britain for well over 2000 years!!!!). 26 Million EU citizens after our jobs - errr we are EU citizens so UKIP are saying 26 million British are after British jobs, and yet Farage does not trust any British person to be his secretary or understudy and as such stolen 2 jobs away from the British workforce!!! Having a go at MEP's who live the life of luxury and yet forgetting to tell the electorate that UKIP members do the same and have actually used over £3million in expenses wrongly according to the EU expenses rules!!!! Double standards all the way through and yet they expect to be treated differently from the other parties!!! I have answered your question, now answer mine, unless you are not prepared to do so then that is another nail in the UKIP coffin - not prepared to answers the elctorate's questions!!!! Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?[/p][/quote]Once again i will tell you. What has been the voting pattern in the past has nothing to do with now. The reason the voting decline of the past was because people really had no concern with the EU. Now they have finally woken up to the reality that we are being put into a United states of Europe without having any consent of the public. This election will blow all past stats out of the water people have woken up. thomas222
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12:03pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Ernagy2 says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE!

Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!!

To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't!

BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters!

I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!!

I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!!

Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!!
You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.
LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!!


Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that?

Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP.

Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!!

That is clutching at straws!!!

Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!!
Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol
Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite!

Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors.

It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history.

Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!!
We read & see what we want to see. I dont see it like that so the 22 nd of May will decide. Whatever the outcome UKIP will after that date force labour & the torys to have a vote in or out in the 2015 election so it matters not for ukip to win... For them not to would destroy them and they know it.
Fact is that UKIP cannot force another party to have a referendum or not. Another fact is that yes you may do well in the Euro's but the MEP's cannot dictate what MP's can or cannot do. UKIP could win all seats possible in the Euro's but it still couldn't force a party in Westminster to have a referendum - MEP's do not have that power!!!

Actually it wouldn't destroy any party in Westminster. Look at the facts, UKIP took 13 seats in the last Euro's and did nothing to influence Westminster! Plus as people will find out UKIP don't vote for the good of the people, when a vote takes place in Brussels/Luxembourg/






Strasbourg - in fact many UKIP MEP's either abstain or just don't turn up - FACT!!! All UKIP are bothered about are creating problems and chaos within the EU - why vote against, or not vote at all, a motion that would cap mobile phone roaming fees within the EU?? How is that benefitting the people that voted UKIP in?

As it is the poster campaign has been a big massive flop and has actually turned people away from UKIP for the blatant double standards that have shown up with UKIP!
Plus like I said, look at all news channel reports which interview random strangers who agree with some of hat UKI say but would not vote, or it would have to take a lot more than just one policy to convince people to vote for UKIP.
People are not as simple as you think they are, and breaking a voting habit is very hard to do!!!
The people will force them to back peddle if they dont they are finished in 2015.
No they won't!

In fact people are not too bothered about a referendum, they are more bothered about the moneey in their age packet or keeping their job, or making sure that there are enough teachers to teach and enough doctors to heal.

yes EU is there but it is definitely not a priority, and never will be until there is an internal wall. The main thing is, if the majority of people were so fired up about the EU and were wanting the referendum then they would have forced the situation long before now - but as it hasn't happened shows the malaise people have about thee topic - just as long as the rights things are being said then people won't be demanding a referendum - only a select few!

It is the same situation in all the major EU countries in that there is a small voice of discontent and effectively trying to persuade that the small voice is the majority. The majority are just getting on with their lives and have more important things to think about, more than being part or the EU, when it comes to the elections. Just look at France there is more discontent about being part of the EU, than what there is in the UK, but when its elections time EU is just a minor distraction and other policies are more important to the electorate, which is the same here!

Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?
The past is past & what ever the stats last time has no bearing on this time so its not worth debating. Its now that matters and on the 22nd May a new chapter in British politics never seen before. Ukip will hold the balance of power in 2015 regardless of what you think. You underestimate the anti EU numbers & like the commentators in the media will soon get one hell of a shock to the system. Did you like the broadcast last evening & i hope there was enough different cultures on show for you.
You cannot just say the past is the past with stats!!!

Stats give an overall picture from the past to the present from which a more accurate picture can be formed of how the electorate will vote.

Would you allow the Romans back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past?

Would you allow the Greeks back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past?

I can guarantee that you wouldn't!

I do not under-estimate the anti-EU feeling, but what you under-estimate is how people do not change their voting habits!!! Sure people admire UKIP and what they stand for and what they have brought into the open - the one and only policy/principle. BUT the majority will still not vote for UKIP, why is that? Lack of confidence in Farage? Lack of other policies which people are more bothered about? Lack of answers to the questions that UKIP pose? Double standards by UKIP and still expect to be voted for?

Fact is balance of power will not happen in 2015. We are coming out of recession and money is beginning to flow again and that, as history shows us, means that The Conservatives will be voted in again. BUT I can guarantee that it will be a hung Parliament and I also know, for a fact, that Farage has stated he will NEVER form a coalition with The Conservatives whilst Cameron is in charge and if no other party is willing to form a coalition then the Conservatives will govern with a minority and rely on votes from independents and rebels! That is the more likely outcome of 2015!

I saw the broadcast and had to laugh apart from pulling out of the EU they posed many questions with NO answers - what people want to hear are answers not just questions! The UK people want to be governed by themselves - so how are the going to lower fuel prices? How are they going to stop Scotland getting independence? How are they going to lower taxation whilst trying to clear a National Debt that is over 470% of the GDP? As I say plenty of questions but no answers. People want to hear answers, although it may not happen!!!

There is no earthquake going to happen. People have seen the double-standards in the new poster campaign and that will dent UKIP. No coloured people (although there have been coloured people in Britain for well over 2000 years!!!!). 26 Million EU citizens after our jobs - errr we are EU citizens so UKIP are saying 26 million British are after British jobs, and yet Farage does not trust any British person to be his secretary or understudy and as such stolen 2 jobs away from the British workforce!!! Having a go at MEP's who live the life of luxury and yet forgetting to tell the electorate that UKIP members do the same and have actually used over £3million in expenses wrongly according to the EU expenses rules!!!! Double standards all the way through and yet they expect to be treated differently from the other parties!!!

I have answered your question, now answer mine, unless you are not prepared to do so then that is another nail in the UKIP coffin - not prepared to answers the elctorate's questions!!!!

Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?
Once again i will tell you. What has been the voting pattern in the past has nothing to do with now. The reason the voting decline of the past was because people really had no concern with the EU. Now they have finally woken up to the reality that we are being put into a United states of Europe without having any consent of the public. This election will blow all past stats out of the water people have woken up.
I think people are apathetic on Europe and politics in general. Can see UKIP doing well in european election where people aren't bothered. I can't see them doing well in local elections or more importantly the General election.

I can remember the SDP doing well in local elections, but it didn't transfer to power at West Minister, even when they joined forces with the Liberals. UKIP only do well at Euro elections and haven't gone as far as the SDP did.

Tell us what UKIP can do for Bolton Thomas, other than take us out of the EU - an organisation that provided funding and created jobs within this area, which wouldn't be there if we hadn't been in Europe? What will it do for the Town Centre, how does it propose to attract visitors to the town? These are the questions that local politicians must be asked. Bolton Town Centre has been in a slump for too long.

I'm hoping that the people of Bolton will demand more from their candidates this time round as Bolton needs to be fought on local lines and not National politics.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE! Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!! To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't! BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters! I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!! I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!! Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!![/p][/quote]You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.[/p][/quote]LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!! Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that? Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP. Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!! That is clutching at straws!!! Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!![/p][/quote]Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol[/p][/quote]Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite! Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors. It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history. Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!![/p][/quote]We read & see what we want to see. I dont see it like that so the 22 nd of May will decide. Whatever the outcome UKIP will after that date force labour & the torys to have a vote in or out in the 2015 election so it matters not for ukip to win... For them not to would destroy them and they know it.[/p][/quote]Fact is that UKIP cannot force another party to have a referendum or not. Another fact is that yes you may do well in the Euro's but the MEP's cannot dictate what MP's can or cannot do. UKIP could win all seats possible in the Euro's but it still couldn't force a party in Westminster to have a referendum - MEP's do not have that power!!! Actually it wouldn't destroy any party in Westminster. Look at the facts, UKIP took 13 seats in the last Euro's and did nothing to influence Westminster! Plus as people will find out UKIP don't vote for the good of the people, when a vote takes place in Brussels/Luxembourg/ Strasbourg - in fact many UKIP MEP's either abstain or just don't turn up - FACT!!! All UKIP are bothered about are creating problems and chaos within the EU - why vote against, or not vote at all, a motion that would cap mobile phone roaming fees within the EU?? How is that benefitting the people that voted UKIP in? As it is the poster campaign has been a big massive flop and has actually turned people away from UKIP for the blatant double standards that have shown up with UKIP! Plus like I said, look at all news channel reports which interview random strangers who agree with some of hat UKI say but would not vote, or it would have to take a lot more than just one policy to convince people to vote for UKIP. People are not as simple as you think they are, and breaking a voting habit is very hard to do!!![/p][/quote]The people will force them to back peddle if they dont they are finished in 2015.[/p][/quote]No they won't! In fact people are not too bothered about a referendum, they are more bothered about the moneey in their age packet or keeping their job, or making sure that there are enough teachers to teach and enough doctors to heal. yes EU is there but it is definitely not a priority, and never will be until there is an internal wall. The main thing is, if the majority of people were so fired up about the EU and were wanting the referendum then they would have forced the situation long before now - but as it hasn't happened shows the malaise people have about thee topic - just as long as the rights things are being said then people won't be demanding a referendum - only a select few! It is the same situation in all the major EU countries in that there is a small voice of discontent and effectively trying to persuade that the small voice is the majority. The majority are just getting on with their lives and have more important things to think about, more than being part or the EU, when it comes to the elections. Just look at France there is more discontent about being part of the EU, than what there is in the UK, but when its elections time EU is just a minor distraction and other policies are more important to the electorate, which is the same here! Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?[/p][/quote]The past is past & what ever the stats last time has no bearing on this time so its not worth debating. Its now that matters and on the 22nd May a new chapter in British politics never seen before. Ukip will hold the balance of power in 2015 regardless of what you think. You underestimate the anti EU numbers & like the commentators in the media will soon get one hell of a shock to the system. Did you like the broadcast last evening & i hope there was enough different cultures on show for you.[/p][/quote]You cannot just say the past is the past with stats!!! Stats give an overall picture from the past to the present from which a more accurate picture can be formed of how the electorate will vote. Would you allow the Romans back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past? Would you allow the Greeks back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past? I can guarantee that you wouldn't! I do not under-estimate the anti-EU feeling, but what you under-estimate is how people do not change their voting habits!!! Sure people admire UKIP and what they stand for and what they have brought into the open - the one and only policy/principle. BUT the majority will still not vote for UKIP, why is that? Lack of confidence in Farage? Lack of other policies which people are more bothered about? Lack of answers to the questions that UKIP pose? Double standards by UKIP and still expect to be voted for? Fact is balance of power will not happen in 2015. We are coming out of recession and money is beginning to flow again and that, as history shows us, means that The Conservatives will be voted in again. BUT I can guarantee that it will be a hung Parliament and I also know, for a fact, that Farage has stated he will NEVER form a coalition with The Conservatives whilst Cameron is in charge and if no other party is willing to form a coalition then the Conservatives will govern with a minority and rely on votes from independents and rebels! That is the more likely outcome of 2015! I saw the broadcast and had to laugh apart from pulling out of the EU they posed many questions with NO answers - what people want to hear are answers not just questions! The UK people want to be governed by themselves - so how are the going to lower fuel prices? How are they going to stop Scotland getting independence? How are they going to lower taxation whilst trying to clear a National Debt that is over 470% of the GDP? As I say plenty of questions but no answers. People want to hear answers, although it may not happen!!! There is no earthquake going to happen. People have seen the double-standards in the new poster campaign and that will dent UKIP. No coloured people (although there have been coloured people in Britain for well over 2000 years!!!!). 26 Million EU citizens after our jobs - errr we are EU citizens so UKIP are saying 26 million British are after British jobs, and yet Farage does not trust any British person to be his secretary or understudy and as such stolen 2 jobs away from the British workforce!!! Having a go at MEP's who live the life of luxury and yet forgetting to tell the electorate that UKIP members do the same and have actually used over £3million in expenses wrongly according to the EU expenses rules!!!! Double standards all the way through and yet they expect to be treated differently from the other parties!!! I have answered your question, now answer mine, unless you are not prepared to do so then that is another nail in the UKIP coffin - not prepared to answers the elctorate's questions!!!! Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?[/p][/quote]Once again i will tell you. What has been the voting pattern in the past has nothing to do with now. The reason the voting decline of the past was because people really had no concern with the EU. Now they have finally woken up to the reality that we are being put into a United states of Europe without having any consent of the public. This election will blow all past stats out of the water people have woken up.[/p][/quote]I think people are apathetic on Europe and politics in general. Can see UKIP doing well in european election where people aren't bothered. I can't see them doing well in local elections or more importantly the General election. I can remember the SDP doing well in local elections, but it didn't transfer to power at West Minister, even when they joined forces with the Liberals. UKIP only do well at Euro elections and haven't gone as far as the SDP did. Tell us what UKIP can do for Bolton Thomas, other than take us out of the EU - an organisation that provided funding and created jobs within this area, which wouldn't be there if we hadn't been in Europe? What will it do for the Town Centre, how does it propose to attract visitors to the town? These are the questions that local politicians must be asked. Bolton Town Centre has been in a slump for too long. I'm hoping that the people of Bolton will demand more from their candidates this time round as Bolton needs to be fought on local lines and not National politics. Ernagy2
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thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
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thomas222 wrote:
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thomas222 wrote:
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Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE!

Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!!

To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't!

BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters!

I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!!

I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!!

Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!!
You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.
LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!!


Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that?

Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP.

Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!!

That is clutching at straws!!!

Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!!
Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol
Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite!

Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors.

It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history.

Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!!
We read & see what we want to see. I dont see it like that so the 22 nd of May will decide. Whatever the outcome UKIP will after that date force labour & the torys to have a vote in or out in the 2015 election so it matters not for ukip to win... For them not to would destroy them and they know it.
Fact is that UKIP cannot force another party to have a referendum or not. Another fact is that yes you may do well in the Euro's but the MEP's cannot dictate what MP's can or cannot do. UKIP could win all seats possible in the Euro's but it still couldn't force a party in Westminster to have a referendum - MEP's do not have that power!!!

Actually it wouldn't destroy any party in Westminster. Look at the facts, UKIP took 13 seats in the last Euro's and did nothing to influence Westminster! Plus as people will find out UKIP don't vote for the good of the people, when a vote takes place in Brussels/Luxembourg/






Strasbourg - in fact many UKIP MEP's either abstain or just don't turn up - FACT!!! All UKIP are bothered about are creating problems and chaos within the EU - why vote against, or not vote at all, a motion that would cap mobile phone roaming fees within the EU?? How is that benefitting the people that voted UKIP in?

As it is the poster campaign has been a big massive flop and has actually turned people away from UKIP for the blatant double standards that have shown up with UKIP!
Plus like I said, look at all news channel reports which interview random strangers who agree with some of hat UKI say but would not vote, or it would have to take a lot more than just one policy to convince people to vote for UKIP.
People are not as simple as you think they are, and breaking a voting habit is very hard to do!!!
The people will force them to back peddle if they dont they are finished in 2015.
No they won't!

In fact people are not too bothered about a referendum, they are more bothered about the moneey in their age packet or keeping their job, or making sure that there are enough teachers to teach and enough doctors to heal.

yes EU is there but it is definitely not a priority, and never will be until there is an internal wall. The main thing is, if the majority of people were so fired up about the EU and were wanting the referendum then they would have forced the situation long before now - but as it hasn't happened shows the malaise people have about thee topic - just as long as the rights things are being said then people won't be demanding a referendum - only a select few!

It is the same situation in all the major EU countries in that there is a small voice of discontent and effectively trying to persuade that the small voice is the majority. The majority are just getting on with their lives and have more important things to think about, more than being part or the EU, when it comes to the elections. Just look at France there is more discontent about being part of the EU, than what there is in the UK, but when its elections time EU is just a minor distraction and other policies are more important to the electorate, which is the same here!

Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?
The past is past & what ever the stats last time has no bearing on this time so its not worth debating. Its now that matters and on the 22nd May a new chapter in British politics never seen before. Ukip will hold the balance of power in 2015 regardless of what you think. You underestimate the anti EU numbers & like the commentators in the media will soon get one hell of a shock to the system. Did you like the broadcast last evening & i hope there was enough different cultures on show for you.
You cannot just say the past is the past with stats!!!

Stats give an overall picture from the past to the present from which a more accurate picture can be formed of how the electorate will vote.

Would you allow the Romans back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past?

Would you allow the Greeks back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past?

I can guarantee that you wouldn't!

I do not under-estimate the anti-EU feeling, but what you under-estimate is how people do not change their voting habits!!! Sure people admire UKIP and what they stand for and what they have brought into the open - the one and only policy/principle. BUT the majority will still not vote for UKIP, why is that? Lack of confidence in Farage? Lack of other policies which people are more bothered about? Lack of answers to the questions that UKIP pose? Double standards by UKIP and still expect to be voted for?

Fact is balance of power will not happen in 2015. We are coming out of recession and money is beginning to flow again and that, as history shows us, means that The Conservatives will be voted in again. BUT I can guarantee that it will be a hung Parliament and I also know, for a fact, that Farage has stated he will NEVER form a coalition with The Conservatives whilst Cameron is in charge and if no other party is willing to form a coalition then the Conservatives will govern with a minority and rely on votes from independents and rebels! That is the more likely outcome of 2015!

I saw the broadcast and had to laugh apart from pulling out of the EU they posed many questions with NO answers - what people want to hear are answers not just questions! The UK people want to be governed by themselves - so how are the going to lower fuel prices? How are they going to stop Scotland getting independence? How are they going to lower taxation whilst trying to clear a National Debt that is over 470% of the GDP? As I say plenty of questions but no answers. People want to hear answers, although it may not happen!!!

There is no earthquake going to happen. People have seen the double-standards in the new poster campaign and that will dent UKIP. No coloured people (although there have been coloured people in Britain for well over 2000 years!!!!). 26 Million EU citizens after our jobs - errr we are EU citizens so UKIP are saying 26 million British are after British jobs, and yet Farage does not trust any British person to be his secretary or understudy and as such stolen 2 jobs away from the British workforce!!! Having a go at MEP's who live the life of luxury and yet forgetting to tell the electorate that UKIP members do the same and have actually used over £3million in expenses wrongly according to the EU expenses rules!!!! Double standards all the way through and yet they expect to be treated differently from the other parties!!!

I have answered your question, now answer mine, unless you are not prepared to do so then that is another nail in the UKIP coffin - not prepared to answers the elctorate's questions!!!!

Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?
Once again i will tell you. What has been the voting pattern in the past has nothing to do with now. The reason the voting decline of the past was because people really had no concern with the EU. Now they have finally woken up to the reality that we are being put into a United states of Europe without having any consent of the public. This election will blow all past stats out of the water people have woken up.
You go out into the town centre and ask 100 people what matters most to them in the elections, and I can guarantee that only 5 or 6 will say anything about the EU!

I can guarantee only about 5 or 6 will say the EU!!!

The rest have far more pressing concerns than whether we are in the EU or not!

History is a useful tool it where mistakes have been made and where mistakes have been solved and it, hopefully goes to help make a better tomorrow. Also there are patterns in historic voting which cannot be denied or just misplaced by saying past is in the past. The past also encompasses the present and leads to the future!

How confident are you that these elections will blow the past out of the water? No monetary bet, but some sort of bet - or is it that you are all mouth and no action?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE! Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!! To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't! BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters! I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!! I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!! Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!![/p][/quote]You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.[/p][/quote]LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!! Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that? Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP. Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!! That is clutching at straws!!! Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!![/p][/quote]Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol[/p][/quote]Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite! Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors. It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history. Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!![/p][/quote]We read & see what we want to see. I dont see it like that so the 22 nd of May will decide. Whatever the outcome UKIP will after that date force labour & the torys to have a vote in or out in the 2015 election so it matters not for ukip to win... For them not to would destroy them and they know it.[/p][/quote]Fact is that UKIP cannot force another party to have a referendum or not. Another fact is that yes you may do well in the Euro's but the MEP's cannot dictate what MP's can or cannot do. UKIP could win all seats possible in the Euro's but it still couldn't force a party in Westminster to have a referendum - MEP's do not have that power!!! Actually it wouldn't destroy any party in Westminster. Look at the facts, UKIP took 13 seats in the last Euro's and did nothing to influence Westminster! Plus as people will find out UKIP don't vote for the good of the people, when a vote takes place in Brussels/Luxembourg/ Strasbourg - in fact many UKIP MEP's either abstain or just don't turn up - FACT!!! All UKIP are bothered about are creating problems and chaos within the EU - why vote against, or not vote at all, a motion that would cap mobile phone roaming fees within the EU?? How is that benefitting the people that voted UKIP in? As it is the poster campaign has been a big massive flop and has actually turned people away from UKIP for the blatant double standards that have shown up with UKIP! Plus like I said, look at all news channel reports which interview random strangers who agree with some of hat UKI say but would not vote, or it would have to take a lot more than just one policy to convince people to vote for UKIP. People are not as simple as you think they are, and breaking a voting habit is very hard to do!!![/p][/quote]The people will force them to back peddle if they dont they are finished in 2015.[/p][/quote]No they won't! In fact people are not too bothered about a referendum, they are more bothered about the moneey in their age packet or keeping their job, or making sure that there are enough teachers to teach and enough doctors to heal. yes EU is there but it is definitely not a priority, and never will be until there is an internal wall. The main thing is, if the majority of people were so fired up about the EU and were wanting the referendum then they would have forced the situation long before now - but as it hasn't happened shows the malaise people have about thee topic - just as long as the rights things are being said then people won't be demanding a referendum - only a select few! It is the same situation in all the major EU countries in that there is a small voice of discontent and effectively trying to persuade that the small voice is the majority. The majority are just getting on with their lives and have more important things to think about, more than being part or the EU, when it comes to the elections. Just look at France there is more discontent about being part of the EU, than what there is in the UK, but when its elections time EU is just a minor distraction and other policies are more important to the electorate, which is the same here! Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?[/p][/quote]The past is past & what ever the stats last time has no bearing on this time so its not worth debating. Its now that matters and on the 22nd May a new chapter in British politics never seen before. Ukip will hold the balance of power in 2015 regardless of what you think. You underestimate the anti EU numbers & like the commentators in the media will soon get one hell of a shock to the system. Did you like the broadcast last evening & i hope there was enough different cultures on show for you.[/p][/quote]You cannot just say the past is the past with stats!!! Stats give an overall picture from the past to the present from which a more accurate picture can be formed of how the electorate will vote. Would you allow the Romans back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past? Would you allow the Greeks back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past? I can guarantee that you wouldn't! I do not under-estimate the anti-EU feeling, but what you under-estimate is how people do not change their voting habits!!! Sure people admire UKIP and what they stand for and what they have brought into the open - the one and only policy/principle. BUT the majority will still not vote for UKIP, why is that? Lack of confidence in Farage? Lack of other policies which people are more bothered about? Lack of answers to the questions that UKIP pose? Double standards by UKIP and still expect to be voted for? Fact is balance of power will not happen in 2015. We are coming out of recession and money is beginning to flow again and that, as history shows us, means that The Conservatives will be voted in again. BUT I can guarantee that it will be a hung Parliament and I also know, for a fact, that Farage has stated he will NEVER form a coalition with The Conservatives whilst Cameron is in charge and if no other party is willing to form a coalition then the Conservatives will govern with a minority and rely on votes from independents and rebels! That is the more likely outcome of 2015! I saw the broadcast and had to laugh apart from pulling out of the EU they posed many questions with NO answers - what people want to hear are answers not just questions! The UK people want to be governed by themselves - so how are the going to lower fuel prices? How are they going to stop Scotland getting independence? How are they going to lower taxation whilst trying to clear a National Debt that is over 470% of the GDP? As I say plenty of questions but no answers. People want to hear answers, although it may not happen!!! There is no earthquake going to happen. People have seen the double-standards in the new poster campaign and that will dent UKIP. No coloured people (although there have been coloured people in Britain for well over 2000 years!!!!). 26 Million EU citizens after our jobs - errr we are EU citizens so UKIP are saying 26 million British are after British jobs, and yet Farage does not trust any British person to be his secretary or understudy and as such stolen 2 jobs away from the British workforce!!! Having a go at MEP's who live the life of luxury and yet forgetting to tell the electorate that UKIP members do the same and have actually used over £3million in expenses wrongly according to the EU expenses rules!!!! Double standards all the way through and yet they expect to be treated differently from the other parties!!! I have answered your question, now answer mine, unless you are not prepared to do so then that is another nail in the UKIP coffin - not prepared to answers the elctorate's questions!!!! Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?[/p][/quote]Once again i will tell you. What has been the voting pattern in the past has nothing to do with now. The reason the voting decline of the past was because people really had no concern with the EU. Now they have finally woken up to the reality that we are being put into a United states of Europe without having any consent of the public. This election will blow all past stats out of the water people have woken up.[/p][/quote]You go out into the town centre and ask 100 people what matters most to them in the elections, and I can guarantee that only 5 or 6 will say anything about the EU! I can guarantee only about 5 or 6 will say the EU!!! The rest have far more pressing concerns than whether we are in the EU or not! History is a useful tool it where mistakes have been made and where mistakes have been solved and it, hopefully goes to help make a better tomorrow. Also there are patterns in historic voting which cannot be denied or just misplaced by saying past is in the past. The past also encompasses the present and leads to the future! How confident are you that these elections will blow the past out of the water? No monetary bet, but some sort of bet - or is it that you are all mouth and no action? The Righteous One
  • Score: -16

3:49pm Thu 24 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas222,

Is there any reason as to why there are no African origin, Caribbean origin or Asian origin (including Japanese and Chinese) people in the new set of billboard posters?

It does seem a bit weird and possibly giving off a more sinister subliminal message!
Racist is a word you and people like you use to shut down any sensible discussion. We have many members of different race & last i knew & you really do have to do better than the racist card because its just not workinh anymore. People are sick of hearing it & every time it comes up we get more members. You are to much of a .. if, when,could,should senarios.
I never mentioned the word racist - YOU did!!!! Now if think if I was suggesting it was racist then that is in your mind and not mine and therefore, I assume that you also think its ok to portray normal everyday British life with no coloured people around - considering there have been coloured people in this country since long before the Romans!!!

All I was asking...

Is there any reason as to why there are no African origin, Caribbean origin or Asian origin (including Japanese and Chinese) people in the new set of billboard posters?

and then finished with a possible scenario as how it could be misconstrued as such..."It does seem a bit weird and possibly giving off a more sinister subliminal message!"
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas222, Is there any reason as to why there are no African origin, Caribbean origin or Asian origin (including Japanese and Chinese) people in the new set of billboard posters? It does seem a bit weird and possibly giving off a more sinister subliminal message![/p][/quote]Racist is a word you and people like you use to shut down any sensible discussion. We have many members of different race & last i knew & you really do have to do better than the racist card because its just not workinh anymore. People are sick of hearing it & every time it comes up we get more members. You are to much of a .. if, when,could,should senarios.[/p][/quote]I never mentioned the word racist - YOU did!!!! Now if think if I was suggesting it was racist then that is in your mind and not mine and therefore, I assume that you also think its ok to portray normal everyday British life with no coloured people around - considering there have been coloured people in this country since long before the Romans!!! All I was asking... Is there any reason as to why there are no African origin, Caribbean origin or Asian origin (including Japanese and Chinese) people in the new set of billboard posters? and then finished with a possible scenario as how it could be misconstrued as such..."It does seem a bit weird and possibly giving off a more sinister subliminal message!" The Righteous One
  • Score: -25

4:34pm Thu 24 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE!

Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!!

To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't!

BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters!

I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!!

I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!!

Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!!
You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.
LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!!


Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that?

Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP.

Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!!

That is clutching at straws!!!

Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!!
Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol
Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite!

Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors.

It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history.

Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!!
We read & see what we want to see. I dont see it like that so the 22 nd of May will decide. Whatever the outcome UKIP will after that date force labour & the torys to have a vote in or out in the 2015 election so it matters not for ukip to win... For them not to would destroy them and they know it.
Fact is that UKIP cannot force another party to have a referendum or not. Another fact is that yes you may do well in the Euro's but the MEP's cannot dictate what MP's can or cannot do. UKIP could win all seats possible in the Euro's but it still couldn't force a party in Westminster to have a referendum - MEP's do not have that power!!!

Actually it wouldn't destroy any party in Westminster. Look at the facts, UKIP took 13 seats in the last Euro's and did nothing to influence Westminster! Plus as people will find out UKIP don't vote for the good of the people, when a vote takes place in Brussels/Luxembourg/







Strasbourg - in fact many UKIP MEP's either abstain or just don't turn up - FACT!!! All UKIP are bothered about are creating problems and chaos within the EU - why vote against, or not vote at all, a motion that would cap mobile phone roaming fees within the EU?? How is that benefitting the people that voted UKIP in?

As it is the poster campaign has been a big massive flop and has actually turned people away from UKIP for the blatant double standards that have shown up with UKIP!
Plus like I said, look at all news channel reports which interview random strangers who agree with some of hat UKI say but would not vote, or it would have to take a lot more than just one policy to convince people to vote for UKIP.
People are not as simple as you think they are, and breaking a voting habit is very hard to do!!!
The people will force them to back peddle if they dont they are finished in 2015.
No they won't!

In fact people are not too bothered about a referendum, they are more bothered about the moneey in their age packet or keeping their job, or making sure that there are enough teachers to teach and enough doctors to heal.

yes EU is there but it is definitely not a priority, and never will be until there is an internal wall. The main thing is, if the majority of people were so fired up about the EU and were wanting the referendum then they would have forced the situation long before now - but as it hasn't happened shows the malaise people have about thee topic - just as long as the rights things are being said then people won't be demanding a referendum - only a select few!

It is the same situation in all the major EU countries in that there is a small voice of discontent and effectively trying to persuade that the small voice is the majority. The majority are just getting on with their lives and have more important things to think about, more than being part or the EU, when it comes to the elections. Just look at France there is more discontent about being part of the EU, than what there is in the UK, but when its elections time EU is just a minor distraction and other policies are more important to the electorate, which is the same here!

Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?
The past is past & what ever the stats last time has no bearing on this time so its not worth debating. Its now that matters and on the 22nd May a new chapter in British politics never seen before. Ukip will hold the balance of power in 2015 regardless of what you think. You underestimate the anti EU numbers & like the commentators in the media will soon get one hell of a shock to the system. Did you like the broadcast last evening & i hope there was enough different cultures on show for you.
You cannot just say the past is the past with stats!!!

Stats give an overall picture from the past to the present from which a more accurate picture can be formed of how the electorate will vote.

Would you allow the Romans back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past?

Would you allow the Greeks back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past?

I can guarantee that you wouldn't!

I do not under-estimate the anti-EU feeling, but what you under-estimate is how people do not change their voting habits!!! Sure people admire UKIP and what they stand for and what they have brought into the open - the one and only policy/principle. BUT the majority will still not vote for UKIP, why is that? Lack of confidence in Farage? Lack of other policies which people are more bothered about? Lack of answers to the questions that UKIP pose? Double standards by UKIP and still expect to be voted for?

Fact is balance of power will not happen in 2015. We are coming out of recession and money is beginning to flow again and that, as history shows us, means that The Conservatives will be voted in again. BUT I can guarantee that it will be a hung Parliament and I also know, for a fact, that Farage has stated he will NEVER form a coalition with The Conservatives whilst Cameron is in charge and if no other party is willing to form a coalition then the Conservatives will govern with a minority and rely on votes from independents and rebels! That is the more likely outcome of 2015!

I saw the broadcast and had to laugh apart from pulling out of the EU they posed many questions with NO answers - what people want to hear are answers not just questions! The UK people want to be governed by themselves - so how are the going to lower fuel prices? How are they going to stop Scotland getting independence? How are they going to lower taxation whilst trying to clear a National Debt that is over 470% of the GDP? As I say plenty of questions but no answers. People want to hear answers, although it may not happen!!!

There is no earthquake going to happen. People have seen the double-standards in the new poster campaign and that will dent UKIP. No coloured people (although there have been coloured people in Britain for well over 2000 years!!!!). 26 Million EU citizens after our jobs - errr we are EU citizens so UKIP are saying 26 million British are after British jobs, and yet Farage does not trust any British person to be his secretary or understudy and as such stolen 2 jobs away from the British workforce!!! Having a go at MEP's who live the life of luxury and yet forgetting to tell the electorate that UKIP members do the same and have actually used over £3million in expenses wrongly according to the EU expenses rules!!!! Double standards all the way through and yet they expect to be treated differently from the other parties!!!

I have answered your question, now answer mine, unless you are not prepared to do so then that is another nail in the UKIP coffin - not prepared to answers the elctorate's questions!!!!

Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?
Once again i will tell you. What has been the voting pattern in the past has nothing to do with now. The reason the voting decline of the past was because people really had no concern with the EU. Now they have finally woken up to the reality that we are being put into a United states of Europe without having any consent of the public. This election will blow all past stats out of the water people have woken up.
You go out into the town centre and ask 100 people what matters most to them in the elections, and I can guarantee that only 5 or 6 will say anything about the EU!

I can guarantee only about 5 or 6 will say the EU!!!

The rest have far more pressing concerns than whether we are in the EU or not!

History is a useful tool it where mistakes have been made and where mistakes have been solved and it, hopefully goes to help make a better tomorrow. Also there are patterns in historic voting which cannot be denied or just misplaced by saying past is in the past. The past also encompasses the present and leads to the future!

How confident are you that these elections will blow the past out of the water? No monetary bet, but some sort of bet - or is it that you are all mouth and no action?
My bet with you is you bugger off from this site when you are found to be totally wrong with your predictions.. Ill do the same if mine are wrong. Bet is we have more MEPS than last time and we also have more Cllrs.....
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE! Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!! To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't! BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters! I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!! I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!! Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!![/p][/quote]You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.[/p][/quote]LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!! Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that? Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP. Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!! That is clutching at straws!!! Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!![/p][/quote]Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol[/p][/quote]Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite! Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors. It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history. Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!![/p][/quote]We read & see what we want to see. I dont see it like that so the 22 nd of May will decide. Whatever the outcome UKIP will after that date force labour & the torys to have a vote in or out in the 2015 election so it matters not for ukip to win... For them not to would destroy them and they know it.[/p][/quote]Fact is that UKIP cannot force another party to have a referendum or not. Another fact is that yes you may do well in the Euro's but the MEP's cannot dictate what MP's can or cannot do. UKIP could win all seats possible in the Euro's but it still couldn't force a party in Westminster to have a referendum - MEP's do not have that power!!! Actually it wouldn't destroy any party in Westminster. Look at the facts, UKIP took 13 seats in the last Euro's and did nothing to influence Westminster! Plus as people will find out UKIP don't vote for the good of the people, when a vote takes place in Brussels/Luxembourg/ Strasbourg - in fact many UKIP MEP's either abstain or just don't turn up - FACT!!! All UKIP are bothered about are creating problems and chaos within the EU - why vote against, or not vote at all, a motion that would cap mobile phone roaming fees within the EU?? How is that benefitting the people that voted UKIP in? As it is the poster campaign has been a big massive flop and has actually turned people away from UKIP for the blatant double standards that have shown up with UKIP! Plus like I said, look at all news channel reports which interview random strangers who agree with some of hat UKI say but would not vote, or it would have to take a lot more than just one policy to convince people to vote for UKIP. People are not as simple as you think they are, and breaking a voting habit is very hard to do!!![/p][/quote]The people will force them to back peddle if they dont they are finished in 2015.[/p][/quote]No they won't! In fact people are not too bothered about a referendum, they are more bothered about the moneey in their age packet or keeping their job, or making sure that there are enough teachers to teach and enough doctors to heal. yes EU is there but it is definitely not a priority, and never will be until there is an internal wall. The main thing is, if the majority of people were so fired up about the EU and were wanting the referendum then they would have forced the situation long before now - but as it hasn't happened shows the malaise people have about thee topic - just as long as the rights things are being said then people won't be demanding a referendum - only a select few! It is the same situation in all the major EU countries in that there is a small voice of discontent and effectively trying to persuade that the small voice is the majority. The majority are just getting on with their lives and have more important things to think about, more than being part or the EU, when it comes to the elections. Just look at France there is more discontent about being part of the EU, than what there is in the UK, but when its elections time EU is just a minor distraction and other policies are more important to the electorate, which is the same here! Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?[/p][/quote]The past is past & what ever the stats last time has no bearing on this time so its not worth debating. Its now that matters and on the 22nd May a new chapter in British politics never seen before. Ukip will hold the balance of power in 2015 regardless of what you think. You underestimate the anti EU numbers & like the commentators in the media will soon get one hell of a shock to the system. Did you like the broadcast last evening & i hope there was enough different cultures on show for you.[/p][/quote]You cannot just say the past is the past with stats!!! Stats give an overall picture from the past to the present from which a more accurate picture can be formed of how the electorate will vote. Would you allow the Romans back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past? Would you allow the Greeks back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past? I can guarantee that you wouldn't! I do not under-estimate the anti-EU feeling, but what you under-estimate is how people do not change their voting habits!!! Sure people admire UKIP and what they stand for and what they have brought into the open - the one and only policy/principle. BUT the majority will still not vote for UKIP, why is that? Lack of confidence in Farage? Lack of other policies which people are more bothered about? Lack of answers to the questions that UKIP pose? Double standards by UKIP and still expect to be voted for? Fact is balance of power will not happen in 2015. We are coming out of recession and money is beginning to flow again and that, as history shows us, means that The Conservatives will be voted in again. BUT I can guarantee that it will be a hung Parliament and I also know, for a fact, that Farage has stated he will NEVER form a coalition with The Conservatives whilst Cameron is in charge and if no other party is willing to form a coalition then the Conservatives will govern with a minority and rely on votes from independents and rebels! That is the more likely outcome of 2015! I saw the broadcast and had to laugh apart from pulling out of the EU they posed many questions with NO answers - what people want to hear are answers not just questions! The UK people want to be governed by themselves - so how are the going to lower fuel prices? How are they going to stop Scotland getting independence? How are they going to lower taxation whilst trying to clear a National Debt that is over 470% of the GDP? As I say plenty of questions but no answers. People want to hear answers, although it may not happen!!! There is no earthquake going to happen. People have seen the double-standards in the new poster campaign and that will dent UKIP. No coloured people (although there have been coloured people in Britain for well over 2000 years!!!!). 26 Million EU citizens after our jobs - errr we are EU citizens so UKIP are saying 26 million British are after British jobs, and yet Farage does not trust any British person to be his secretary or understudy and as such stolen 2 jobs away from the British workforce!!! Having a go at MEP's who live the life of luxury and yet forgetting to tell the electorate that UKIP members do the same and have actually used over £3million in expenses wrongly according to the EU expenses rules!!!! Double standards all the way through and yet they expect to be treated differently from the other parties!!! I have answered your question, now answer mine, unless you are not prepared to do so then that is another nail in the UKIP coffin - not prepared to answers the elctorate's questions!!!! Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?[/p][/quote]Once again i will tell you. What has been the voting pattern in the past has nothing to do with now. The reason the voting decline of the past was because people really had no concern with the EU. Now they have finally woken up to the reality that we are being put into a United states of Europe without having any consent of the public. This election will blow all past stats out of the water people have woken up.[/p][/quote]You go out into the town centre and ask 100 people what matters most to them in the elections, and I can guarantee that only 5 or 6 will say anything about the EU! I can guarantee only about 5 or 6 will say the EU!!! The rest have far more pressing concerns than whether we are in the EU or not! History is a useful tool it where mistakes have been made and where mistakes have been solved and it, hopefully goes to help make a better tomorrow. Also there are patterns in historic voting which cannot be denied or just misplaced by saying past is in the past. The past also encompasses the present and leads to the future! How confident are you that these elections will blow the past out of the water? No monetary bet, but some sort of bet - or is it that you are all mouth and no action?[/p][/quote]My bet with you is you bugger off from this site when you are found to be totally wrong with your predictions.. Ill do the same if mine are wrong. Bet is we have more MEPS than last time and we also have more Cllrs..... thomas222
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4:45pm Thu 24 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE!

Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!!

To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't!

BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters!

I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!!

I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!!

Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!!
You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.
LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!!


Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that?

Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP.

Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!!

That is clutching at straws!!!

Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!!
Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol
Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite!

Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors.

It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history.

Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!!
We read & see what we want to see. I dont see it like that so the 22 nd of May will decide. Whatever the outcome UKIP will after that date force labour & the torys to have a vote in or out in the 2015 election so it matters not for ukip to win... For them not to would destroy them and they know it.
Fact is that UKIP cannot force another party to have a referendum or not. Another fact is that yes you may do well in the Euro's but the MEP's cannot dictate what MP's can or cannot do. UKIP could win all seats possible in the Euro's but it still couldn't force a party in Westminster to have a referendum - MEP's do not have that power!!!

Actually it wouldn't destroy any party in Westminster. Look at the facts, UKIP took 13 seats in the last Euro's and did nothing to influence Westminster! Plus as people will find out UKIP don't vote for the good of the people, when a vote takes place in Brussels/Luxembourg/







Strasbourg - in fact many UKIP MEP's either abstain or just don't turn up - FACT!!! All UKIP are bothered about are creating problems and chaos within the EU - why vote against, or not vote at all, a motion that would cap mobile phone roaming fees within the EU?? How is that benefitting the people that voted UKIP in?

As it is the poster campaign has been a big massive flop and has actually turned people away from UKIP for the blatant double standards that have shown up with UKIP!
Plus like I said, look at all news channel reports which interview random strangers who agree with some of hat UKI say but would not vote, or it would have to take a lot more than just one policy to convince people to vote for UKIP.
People are not as simple as you think they are, and breaking a voting habit is very hard to do!!!
The people will force them to back peddle if they dont they are finished in 2015.
No they won't!

In fact people are not too bothered about a referendum, they are more bothered about the moneey in their age packet or keeping their job, or making sure that there are enough teachers to teach and enough doctors to heal.

yes EU is there but it is definitely not a priority, and never will be until there is an internal wall. The main thing is, if the majority of people were so fired up about the EU and were wanting the referendum then they would have forced the situation long before now - but as it hasn't happened shows the malaise people have about thee topic - just as long as the rights things are being said then people won't be demanding a referendum - only a select few!

It is the same situation in all the major EU countries in that there is a small voice of discontent and effectively trying to persuade that the small voice is the majority. The majority are just getting on with their lives and have more important things to think about, more than being part or the EU, when it comes to the elections. Just look at France there is more discontent about being part of the EU, than what there is in the UK, but when its elections time EU is just a minor distraction and other policies are more important to the electorate, which is the same here!

Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?
The past is past & what ever the stats last time has no bearing on this time so its not worth debating. Its now that matters and on the 22nd May a new chapter in British politics never seen before. Ukip will hold the balance of power in 2015 regardless of what you think. You underestimate the anti EU numbers & like the commentators in the media will soon get one hell of a shock to the system. Did you like the broadcast last evening & i hope there was enough different cultures on show for you.
You cannot just say the past is the past with stats!!!

Stats give an overall picture from the past to the present from which a more accurate picture can be formed of how the electorate will vote.

Would you allow the Romans back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past?

Would you allow the Greeks back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past?

I can guarantee that you wouldn't!

I do not under-estimate the anti-EU feeling, but what you under-estimate is how people do not change their voting habits!!! Sure people admire UKIP and what they stand for and what they have brought into the open - the one and only policy/principle. BUT the majority will still not vote for UKIP, why is that? Lack of confidence in Farage? Lack of other policies which people are more bothered about? Lack of answers to the questions that UKIP pose? Double standards by UKIP and still expect to be voted for?

Fact is balance of power will not happen in 2015. We are coming out of recession and money is beginning to flow again and that, as history shows us, means that The Conservatives will be voted in again. BUT I can guarantee that it will be a hung Parliament and I also know, for a fact, that Farage has stated he will NEVER form a coalition with The Conservatives whilst Cameron is in charge and if no other party is willing to form a coalition then the Conservatives will govern with a minority and rely on votes from independents and rebels! That is the more likely outcome of 2015!

I saw the broadcast and had to laugh apart from pulling out of the EU they posed many questions with NO answers - what people want to hear are answers not just questions! The UK people want to be governed by themselves - so how are the going to lower fuel prices? How are they going to stop Scotland getting independence? How are they going to lower taxation whilst trying to clear a National Debt that is over 470% of the GDP? As I say plenty of questions but no answers. People want to hear answers, although it may not happen!!!

There is no earthquake going to happen. People have seen the double-standards in the new poster campaign and that will dent UKIP. No coloured people (although there have been coloured people in Britain for well over 2000 years!!!!). 26 Million EU citizens after our jobs - errr we are EU citizens so UKIP are saying 26 million British are after British jobs, and yet Farage does not trust any British person to be his secretary or understudy and as such stolen 2 jobs away from the British workforce!!! Having a go at MEP's who live the life of luxury and yet forgetting to tell the electorate that UKIP members do the same and have actually used over £3million in expenses wrongly according to the EU expenses rules!!!! Double standards all the way through and yet they expect to be treated differently from the other parties!!!

I have answered your question, now answer mine, unless you are not prepared to do so then that is another nail in the UKIP coffin - not prepared to answers the elctorate's questions!!!!

Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?
Once again i will tell you. What has been the voting pattern in the past has nothing to do with now. The reason the voting decline of the past was because people really had no concern with the EU. Now they have finally woken up to the reality that we are being put into a United states of Europe without having any consent of the public. This election will blow all past stats out of the water people have woken up.
I think people are apathetic on Europe and politics in general. Can see UKIP doing well in european election where people aren't bothered. I can't see them doing well in local elections or more importantly the General election.

I can remember the SDP doing well in local elections, but it didn't transfer to power at West Minister, even when they joined forces with the Liberals. UKIP only do well at Euro elections and haven't gone as far as the SDP did.

Tell us what UKIP can do for Bolton Thomas, other than take us out of the EU - an organisation that provided funding and created jobs within this area, which wouldn't be there if we hadn't been in Europe? What will it do for the Town Centre, how does it propose to attract visitors to the town? These are the questions that local politicians must be asked. Bolton Town Centre has been in a slump for too long.

I'm hoping that the people of Bolton will demand more from their candidates this time round as Bolton needs to be fought on local lines and not National politics.
It is the European election that is paramount & any Cllrs we can pick up at the same time will be a bonus.Like TRO you keep saying what has happened in the past but the past is unimportant because this is now and UKIP are on a roll that everyone can see.
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE! Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!! To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't! BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters! I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!! I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!! Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!![/p][/quote]You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.[/p][/quote]LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!! Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that? Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP. Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!! That is clutching at straws!!! Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!![/p][/quote]Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol[/p][/quote]Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite! Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors. It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history. Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!![/p][/quote]We read & see what we want to see. I dont see it like that so the 22 nd of May will decide. Whatever the outcome UKIP will after that date force labour & the torys to have a vote in or out in the 2015 election so it matters not for ukip to win... For them not to would destroy them and they know it.[/p][/quote]Fact is that UKIP cannot force another party to have a referendum or not. Another fact is that yes you may do well in the Euro's but the MEP's cannot dictate what MP's can or cannot do. UKIP could win all seats possible in the Euro's but it still couldn't force a party in Westminster to have a referendum - MEP's do not have that power!!! Actually it wouldn't destroy any party in Westminster. Look at the facts, UKIP took 13 seats in the last Euro's and did nothing to influence Westminster! Plus as people will find out UKIP don't vote for the good of the people, when a vote takes place in Brussels/Luxembourg/ Strasbourg - in fact many UKIP MEP's either abstain or just don't turn up - FACT!!! All UKIP are bothered about are creating problems and chaos within the EU - why vote against, or not vote at all, a motion that would cap mobile phone roaming fees within the EU?? How is that benefitting the people that voted UKIP in? As it is the poster campaign has been a big massive flop and has actually turned people away from UKIP for the blatant double standards that have shown up with UKIP! Plus like I said, look at all news channel reports which interview random strangers who agree with some of hat UKI say but would not vote, or it would have to take a lot more than just one policy to convince people to vote for UKIP. People are not as simple as you think they are, and breaking a voting habit is very hard to do!!![/p][/quote]The people will force them to back peddle if they dont they are finished in 2015.[/p][/quote]No they won't! In fact people are not too bothered about a referendum, they are more bothered about the moneey in their age packet or keeping their job, or making sure that there are enough teachers to teach and enough doctors to heal. yes EU is there but it is definitely not a priority, and never will be until there is an internal wall. The main thing is, if the majority of people were so fired up about the EU and were wanting the referendum then they would have forced the situation long before now - but as it hasn't happened shows the malaise people have about thee topic - just as long as the rights things are being said then people won't be demanding a referendum - only a select few! It is the same situation in all the major EU countries in that there is a small voice of discontent and effectively trying to persuade that the small voice is the majority. The majority are just getting on with their lives and have more important things to think about, more than being part or the EU, when it comes to the elections. Just look at France there is more discontent about being part of the EU, than what there is in the UK, but when its elections time EU is just a minor distraction and other policies are more important to the electorate, which is the same here! Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?[/p][/quote]The past is past & what ever the stats last time has no bearing on this time so its not worth debating. Its now that matters and on the 22nd May a new chapter in British politics never seen before. Ukip will hold the balance of power in 2015 regardless of what you think. You underestimate the anti EU numbers & like the commentators in the media will soon get one hell of a shock to the system. Did you like the broadcast last evening & i hope there was enough different cultures on show for you.[/p][/quote]You cannot just say the past is the past with stats!!! Stats give an overall picture from the past to the present from which a more accurate picture can be formed of how the electorate will vote. Would you allow the Romans back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past? Would you allow the Greeks back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past? I can guarantee that you wouldn't! I do not under-estimate the anti-EU feeling, but what you under-estimate is how people do not change their voting habits!!! Sure people admire UKIP and what they stand for and what they have brought into the open - the one and only policy/principle. BUT the majority will still not vote for UKIP, why is that? Lack of confidence in Farage? Lack of other policies which people are more bothered about? Lack of answers to the questions that UKIP pose? Double standards by UKIP and still expect to be voted for? Fact is balance of power will not happen in 2015. We are coming out of recession and money is beginning to flow again and that, as history shows us, means that The Conservatives will be voted in again. BUT I can guarantee that it will be a hung Parliament and I also know, for a fact, that Farage has stated he will NEVER form a coalition with The Conservatives whilst Cameron is in charge and if no other party is willing to form a coalition then the Conservatives will govern with a minority and rely on votes from independents and rebels! That is the more likely outcome of 2015! I saw the broadcast and had to laugh apart from pulling out of the EU they posed many questions with NO answers - what people want to hear are answers not just questions! The UK people want to be governed by themselves - so how are the going to lower fuel prices? How are they going to stop Scotland getting independence? How are they going to lower taxation whilst trying to clear a National Debt that is over 470% of the GDP? As I say plenty of questions but no answers. People want to hear answers, although it may not happen!!! There is no earthquake going to happen. People have seen the double-standards in the new poster campaign and that will dent UKIP. No coloured people (although there have been coloured people in Britain for well over 2000 years!!!!). 26 Million EU citizens after our jobs - errr we are EU citizens so UKIP are saying 26 million British are after British jobs, and yet Farage does not trust any British person to be his secretary or understudy and as such stolen 2 jobs away from the British workforce!!! Having a go at MEP's who live the life of luxury and yet forgetting to tell the electorate that UKIP members do the same and have actually used over £3million in expenses wrongly according to the EU expenses rules!!!! Double standards all the way through and yet they expect to be treated differently from the other parties!!! I have answered your question, now answer mine, unless you are not prepared to do so then that is another nail in the UKIP coffin - not prepared to answers the elctorate's questions!!!! Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?[/p][/quote]Once again i will tell you. What has been the voting pattern in the past has nothing to do with now. The reason the voting decline of the past was because people really had no concern with the EU. Now they have finally woken up to the reality that we are being put into a United states of Europe without having any consent of the public. This election will blow all past stats out of the water people have woken up.[/p][/quote]I think people are apathetic on Europe and politics in general. Can see UKIP doing well in european election where people aren't bothered. I can't see them doing well in local elections or more importantly the General election. I can remember the SDP doing well in local elections, but it didn't transfer to power at West Minister, even when they joined forces with the Liberals. UKIP only do well at Euro elections and haven't gone as far as the SDP did. Tell us what UKIP can do for Bolton Thomas, other than take us out of the EU - an organisation that provided funding and created jobs within this area, which wouldn't be there if we hadn't been in Europe? What will it do for the Town Centre, how does it propose to attract visitors to the town? These are the questions that local politicians must be asked. Bolton Town Centre has been in a slump for too long. I'm hoping that the people of Bolton will demand more from their candidates this time round as Bolton needs to be fought on local lines and not National politics.[/p][/quote]It is the European election that is paramount & any Cllrs we can pick up at the same time will be a bonus.Like TRO you keep saying what has happened in the past but the past is unimportant because this is now and UKIP are on a roll that everyone can see. thomas222
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7:20pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Ernagy2 says...

I see more UKIP members suspended for racist and unsavoury remarks. Looks like UKIP are shooting themselves in the foot.
I see more UKIP members suspended for racist and unsavoury remarks. Looks like UKIP are shooting themselves in the foot. Ernagy2
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8:01pm Thu 24 Apr 14

SleepingThunder says...

National Pride does not come from a flag & singing a song it is much deeper than that it has got to give a sense of belonging for what is right & Identity.
National Pride does not come from a flag & singing a song it is much deeper than that it has got to give a sense of belonging for what is right & Identity. SleepingThunder
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8:51pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Ernagy2 says...

SleepingThunder wrote:
National Pride does not come from a flag & singing a song it is much deeper than that it has got to give a sense of belonging for what is right & Identity.
But it starts there, along with our place in the world our achievements and our failures.
[quote][p][bold]SleepingThunder[/bold] wrote: National Pride does not come from a flag & singing a song it is much deeper than that it has got to give a sense of belonging for what is right & Identity.[/p][/quote]But it starts there, along with our place in the world our achievements and our failures. Ernagy2
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10:10pm Thu 24 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE!

Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!!

To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't!

BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters!

I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!!

I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!!

Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!!
You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.
LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!!


Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that?

Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP.

Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!!

That is clutching at straws!!!

Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!!
Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol
Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite!

Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors.

It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history.

Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!!
We read & see what we want to see. I dont see it like that so the 22 nd of May will decide. Whatever the outcome UKIP will after that date force labour & the torys to have a vote in or out in the 2015 election so it matters not for ukip to win... For them not to would destroy them and they know it.
Fact is that UKIP cannot force another party to have a referendum or not. Another fact is that yes you may do well in the Euro's but the MEP's cannot dictate what MP's can or cannot do. UKIP could win all seats possible in the Euro's but it still couldn't force a party in Westminster to have a referendum - MEP's do not have that power!!!

Actually it wouldn't destroy any party in Westminster. Look at the facts, UKIP took 13 seats in the last Euro's and did nothing to influence Westminster! Plus as people will find out UKIP don't vote for the good of the people, when a vote takes place in Brussels/Luxembourg/








Strasbourg - in fact many UKIP MEP's either abstain or just don't turn up - FACT!!! All UKIP are bothered about are creating problems and chaos within the EU - why vote against, or not vote at all, a motion that would cap mobile phone roaming fees within the EU?? How is that benefitting the people that voted UKIP in?

As it is the poster campaign has been a big massive flop and has actually turned people away from UKIP for the blatant double standards that have shown up with UKIP!
Plus like I said, look at all news channel reports which interview random strangers who agree with some of hat UKI say but would not vote, or it would have to take a lot more than just one policy to convince people to vote for UKIP.
People are not as simple as you think they are, and breaking a voting habit is very hard to do!!!
The people will force them to back peddle if they dont they are finished in 2015.
No they won't!

In fact people are not too bothered about a referendum, they are more bothered about the moneey in their age packet or keeping their job, or making sure that there are enough teachers to teach and enough doctors to heal.

yes EU is there but it is definitely not a priority, and never will be until there is an internal wall. The main thing is, if the majority of people were so fired up about the EU and were wanting the referendum then they would have forced the situation long before now - but as it hasn't happened shows the malaise people have about thee topic - just as long as the rights things are being said then people won't be demanding a referendum - only a select few!

It is the same situation in all the major EU countries in that there is a small voice of discontent and effectively trying to persuade that the small voice is the majority. The majority are just getting on with their lives and have more important things to think about, more than being part or the EU, when it comes to the elections. Just look at France there is more discontent about being part of the EU, than what there is in the UK, but when its elections time EU is just a minor distraction and other policies are more important to the electorate, which is the same here!

Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?
The past is past & what ever the stats last time has no bearing on this time so its not worth debating. Its now that matters and on the 22nd May a new chapter in British politics never seen before. Ukip will hold the balance of power in 2015 regardless of what you think. You underestimate the anti EU numbers & like the commentators in the media will soon get one hell of a shock to the system. Did you like the broadcast last evening & i hope there was enough different cultures on show for you.
You cannot just say the past is the past with stats!!!

Stats give an overall picture from the past to the present from which a more accurate picture can be formed of how the electorate will vote.

Would you allow the Romans back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past?

Would you allow the Greeks back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past?

I can guarantee that you wouldn't!

I do not under-estimate the anti-EU feeling, but what you under-estimate is how people do not change their voting habits!!! Sure people admire UKIP and what they stand for and what they have brought into the open - the one and only policy/principle. BUT the majority will still not vote for UKIP, why is that? Lack of confidence in Farage? Lack of other policies which people are more bothered about? Lack of answers to the questions that UKIP pose? Double standards by UKIP and still expect to be voted for?

Fact is balance of power will not happen in 2015. We are coming out of recession and money is beginning to flow again and that, as history shows us, means that The Conservatives will be voted in again. BUT I can guarantee that it will be a hung Parliament and I also know, for a fact, that Farage has stated he will NEVER form a coalition with The Conservatives whilst Cameron is in charge and if no other party is willing to form a coalition then the Conservatives will govern with a minority and rely on votes from independents and rebels! That is the more likely outcome of 2015!

I saw the broadcast and had to laugh apart from pulling out of the EU they posed many questions with NO answers - what people want to hear are answers not just questions! The UK people want to be governed by themselves - so how are the going to lower fuel prices? How are they going to stop Scotland getting independence? How are they going to lower taxation whilst trying to clear a National Debt that is over 470% of the GDP? As I say plenty of questions but no answers. People want to hear answers, although it may not happen!!!

There is no earthquake going to happen. People have seen the double-standards in the new poster campaign and that will dent UKIP. No coloured people (although there have been coloured people in Britain for well over 2000 years!!!!). 26 Million EU citizens after our jobs - errr we are EU citizens so UKIP are saying 26 million British are after British jobs, and yet Farage does not trust any British person to be his secretary or understudy and as such stolen 2 jobs away from the British workforce!!! Having a go at MEP's who live the life of luxury and yet forgetting to tell the electorate that UKIP members do the same and have actually used over £3million in expenses wrongly according to the EU expenses rules!!!! Double standards all the way through and yet they expect to be treated differently from the other parties!!!

I have answered your question, now answer mine, unless you are not prepared to do so then that is another nail in the UKIP coffin - not prepared to answers the elctorate's questions!!!!

Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?
Once again i will tell you. What has been the voting pattern in the past has nothing to do with now. The reason the voting decline of the past was because people really had no concern with the EU. Now they have finally woken up to the reality that we are being put into a United states of Europe without having any consent of the public. This election will blow all past stats out of the water people have woken up.
I think people are apathetic on Europe and politics in general. Can see UKIP doing well in european election where people aren't bothered. I can't see them doing well in local elections or more importantly the General election.

I can remember the SDP doing well in local elections, but it didn't transfer to power at West Minister, even when they joined forces with the Liberals. UKIP only do well at Euro elections and haven't gone as far as the SDP did.

Tell us what UKIP can do for Bolton Thomas, other than take us out of the EU - an organisation that provided funding and created jobs within this area, which wouldn't be there if we hadn't been in Europe? What will it do for the Town Centre, how does it propose to attract visitors to the town? These are the questions that local politicians must be asked. Bolton Town Centre has been in a slump for too long.

I'm hoping that the people of Bolton will demand more from their candidates this time round as Bolton needs to be fought on local lines and not National politics.
It is the European election that is paramount & any Cllrs we can pick up at the same time will be a bonus.Like TRO you keep saying what has happened in the past but the past is unimportant because this is now and UKIP are on a roll that everyone can see.
But the past is also currently the present.

Fact is UKIP are not on a roll - yes you have 35,000 members but look at Labour over 150,000 members and Conservatives with over 175,000 members. Labour have signed 25% more members than what UKIP have doe and the fastest growing party is not UKIP but it is the Greens!!!!! Also look at The Conservative members, down by almost 100,000 in last 12 months but virtually none gone to UKIP - as they can only muster 4,000 new members.

Also the past is catching up with UKIP - Farage's wife taking a job from a British person, the latest UKIP hierarchy being suspended, the expenses claims not going away.

The past does matter and he past for UKIP is currently the present!!! Also look t virtually all news reports people like that UKIP have brought forward the talking of immigration but virtually none of them ill vote UKIP - again that shows the past is more accurate than what you think!

Never lose sight of the past, because as soon as you do, which you are doing, then when the past catches up with you and destroys what you have built!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE! Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!! To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't! BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters! I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!! I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!! Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!![/p][/quote]You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.[/p][/quote]LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!! Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that? Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP. Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!! That is clutching at straws!!! Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!![/p][/quote]Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol[/p][/quote]Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite! Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors. It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history. Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!![/p][/quote]We read & see what we want to see. I dont see it like that so the 22 nd of May will decide. Whatever the outcome UKIP will after that date force labour & the torys to have a vote in or out in the 2015 election so it matters not for ukip to win... For them not to would destroy them and they know it.[/p][/quote]Fact is that UKIP cannot force another party to have a referendum or not. Another fact is that yes you may do well in the Euro's but the MEP's cannot dictate what MP's can or cannot do. UKIP could win all seats possible in the Euro's but it still couldn't force a party in Westminster to have a referendum - MEP's do not have that power!!! Actually it wouldn't destroy any party in Westminster. Look at the facts, UKIP took 13 seats in the last Euro's and did nothing to influence Westminster! Plus as people will find out UKIP don't vote for the good of the people, when a vote takes place in Brussels/Luxembourg/ Strasbourg - in fact many UKIP MEP's either abstain or just don't turn up - FACT!!! All UKIP are bothered about are creating problems and chaos within the EU - why vote against, or not vote at all, a motion that would cap mobile phone roaming fees within the EU?? How is that benefitting the people that voted UKIP in? As it is the poster campaign has been a big massive flop and has actually turned people away from UKIP for the blatant double standards that have shown up with UKIP! Plus like I said, look at all news channel reports which interview random strangers who agree with some of hat UKI say but would not vote, or it would have to take a lot more than just one policy to convince people to vote for UKIP. People are not as simple as you think they are, and breaking a voting habit is very hard to do!!![/p][/quote]The people will force them to back peddle if they dont they are finished in 2015.[/p][/quote]No they won't! In fact people are not too bothered about a referendum, they are more bothered about the moneey in their age packet or keeping their job, or making sure that there are enough teachers to teach and enough doctors to heal. yes EU is there but it is definitely not a priority, and never will be until there is an internal wall. The main thing is, if the majority of people were so fired up about the EU and were wanting the referendum then they would have forced the situation long before now - but as it hasn't happened shows the malaise people have about thee topic - just as long as the rights things are being said then people won't be demanding a referendum - only a select few! It is the same situation in all the major EU countries in that there is a small voice of discontent and effectively trying to persuade that the small voice is the majority. The majority are just getting on with their lives and have more important things to think about, more than being part or the EU, when it comes to the elections. Just look at France there is more discontent about being part of the EU, than what there is in the UK, but when its elections time EU is just a minor distraction and other policies are more important to the electorate, which is the same here! Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?[/p][/quote]The past is past & what ever the stats last time has no bearing on this time so its not worth debating. Its now that matters and on the 22nd May a new chapter in British politics never seen before. Ukip will hold the balance of power in 2015 regardless of what you think. You underestimate the anti EU numbers & like the commentators in the media will soon get one hell of a shock to the system. Did you like the broadcast last evening & i hope there was enough different cultures on show for you.[/p][/quote]You cannot just say the past is the past with stats!!! Stats give an overall picture from the past to the present from which a more accurate picture can be formed of how the electorate will vote. Would you allow the Romans back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past? Would you allow the Greeks back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past? I can guarantee that you wouldn't! I do not under-estimate the anti-EU feeling, but what you under-estimate is how people do not change their voting habits!!! Sure people admire UKIP and what they stand for and what they have brought into the open - the one and only policy/principle. BUT the majority will still not vote for UKIP, why is that? Lack of confidence in Farage? Lack of other policies which people are more bothered about? Lack of answers to the questions that UKIP pose? Double standards by UKIP and still expect to be voted for? Fact is balance of power will not happen in 2015. We are coming out of recession and money is beginning to flow again and that, as history shows us, means that The Conservatives will be voted in again. BUT I can guarantee that it will be a hung Parliament and I also know, for a fact, that Farage has stated he will NEVER form a coalition with The Conservatives whilst Cameron is in charge and if no other party is willing to form a coalition then the Conservatives will govern with a minority and rely on votes from independents and rebels! That is the more likely outcome of 2015! I saw the broadcast and had to laugh apart from pulling out of the EU they posed many questions with NO answers - what people want to hear are answers not just questions! The UK people want to be governed by themselves - so how are the going to lower fuel prices? How are they going to stop Scotland getting independence? How are they going to lower taxation whilst trying to clear a National Debt that is over 470% of the GDP? As I say plenty of questions but no answers. People want to hear answers, although it may not happen!!! There is no earthquake going to happen. People have seen the double-standards in the new poster campaign and that will dent UKIP. No coloured people (although there have been coloured people in Britain for well over 2000 years!!!!). 26 Million EU citizens after our jobs - errr we are EU citizens so UKIP are saying 26 million British are after British jobs, and yet Farage does not trust any British person to be his secretary or understudy and as such stolen 2 jobs away from the British workforce!!! Having a go at MEP's who live the life of luxury and yet forgetting to tell the electorate that UKIP members do the same and have actually used over £3million in expenses wrongly according to the EU expenses rules!!!! Double standards all the way through and yet they expect to be treated differently from the other parties!!! I have answered your question, now answer mine, unless you are not prepared to do so then that is another nail in the UKIP coffin - not prepared to answers the elctorate's questions!!!! Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?[/p][/quote]Once again i will tell you. What has been the voting pattern in the past has nothing to do with now. The reason the voting decline of the past was because people really had no concern with the EU. Now they have finally woken up to the reality that we are being put into a United states of Europe without having any consent of the public. This election will blow all past stats out of the water people have woken up.[/p][/quote]I think people are apathetic on Europe and politics in general. Can see UKIP doing well in european election where people aren't bothered. I can't see them doing well in local elections or more importantly the General election. I can remember the SDP doing well in local elections, but it didn't transfer to power at West Minister, even when they joined forces with the Liberals. UKIP only do well at Euro elections and haven't gone as far as the SDP did. Tell us what UKIP can do for Bolton Thomas, other than take us out of the EU - an organisation that provided funding and created jobs within this area, which wouldn't be there if we hadn't been in Europe? What will it do for the Town Centre, how does it propose to attract visitors to the town? These are the questions that local politicians must be asked. Bolton Town Centre has been in a slump for too long. I'm hoping that the people of Bolton will demand more from their candidates this time round as Bolton needs to be fought on local lines and not National politics.[/p][/quote]It is the European election that is paramount & any Cllrs we can pick up at the same time will be a bonus.Like TRO you keep saying what has happened in the past but the past is unimportant because this is now and UKIP are on a roll that everyone can see.[/p][/quote]But the past is also currently the present. Fact is UKIP are not on a roll - yes you have 35,000 members but look at Labour over 150,000 members and Conservatives with over 175,000 members. Labour have signed 25% more members than what UKIP have doe and the fastest growing party is not UKIP but it is the Greens!!!!! Also look at The Conservative members, down by almost 100,000 in last 12 months but virtually none gone to UKIP - as they can only muster 4,000 new members. Also the past is catching up with UKIP - Farage's wife taking a job from a British person, the latest UKIP hierarchy being suspended, the expenses claims not going away. The past does matter and he past for UKIP is currently the present!!! Also look t virtually all news reports people like that UKIP have brought forward the talking of immigration but virtually none of them ill vote UKIP - again that shows the past is more accurate than what you think! Never lose sight of the past, because as soon as you do, which you are doing, then when the past catches up with you and destroys what you have built! The Righteous One
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More importantly, if it wasn't for the past then we wouldn't have a United Kingdom at this present moment in time - never forget that!
More importantly, if it wasn't for the past then we wouldn't have a United Kingdom at this present moment in time - never forget that! The Righteous One
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thomas222 wrote:
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Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE!

Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!!

To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't!

BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters!

I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!!

I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!!

Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!!
You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.
LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!!


Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that?

Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP.

Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!!

That is clutching at straws!!!

Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!!
Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol
Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite!

Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors.

It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history.

Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!!
We read & see what we want to see. I dont see it like that so the 22 nd of May will decide. Whatever the outcome UKIP will after that date force labour & the torys to have a vote in or out in the 2015 election so it matters not for ukip to win... For them not to would destroy them and they know it.
Fact is that UKIP cannot force another party to have a referendum or not. Another fact is that yes you may do well in the Euro's but the MEP's cannot dictate what MP's can or cannot do. UKIP could win all seats possible in the Euro's but it still couldn't force a party in Westminster to have a referendum - MEP's do not have that power!!!

Actually it wouldn't destroy any party in Westminster. Look at the facts, UKIP took 13 seats in the last Euro's and did nothing to influence Westminster! Plus as people will find out UKIP don't vote for the good of the people, when a vote takes place in Brussels/Luxembourg/








Strasbourg - in fact many UKIP MEP's either abstain or just don't turn up - FACT!!! All UKIP are bothered about are creating problems and chaos within the EU - why vote against, or not vote at all, a motion that would cap mobile phone roaming fees within the EU?? How is that benefitting the people that voted UKIP in?

As it is the poster campaign has been a big massive flop and has actually turned people away from UKIP for the blatant double standards that have shown up with UKIP!
Plus like I said, look at all news channel reports which interview random strangers who agree with some of hat UKI say but would not vote, or it would have to take a lot more than just one policy to convince people to vote for UKIP.
People are not as simple as you think they are, and breaking a voting habit is very hard to do!!!
The people will force them to back peddle if they dont they are finished in 2015.
No they won't!

In fact people are not too bothered about a referendum, they are more bothered about the moneey in their age packet or keeping their job, or making sure that there are enough teachers to teach and enough doctors to heal.

yes EU is there but it is definitely not a priority, and never will be until there is an internal wall. The main thing is, if the majority of people were so fired up about the EU and were wanting the referendum then they would have forced the situation long before now - but as it hasn't happened shows the malaise people have about thee topic - just as long as the rights things are being said then people won't be demanding a referendum - only a select few!

It is the same situation in all the major EU countries in that there is a small voice of discontent and effectively trying to persuade that the small voice is the majority. The majority are just getting on with their lives and have more important things to think about, more than being part or the EU, when it comes to the elections. Just look at France there is more discontent about being part of the EU, than what there is in the UK, but when its elections time EU is just a minor distraction and other policies are more important to the electorate, which is the same here!

Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?
The past is past & what ever the stats last time has no bearing on this time so its not worth debating. Its now that matters and on the 22nd May a new chapter in British politics never seen before. Ukip will hold the balance of power in 2015 regardless of what you think. You underestimate the anti EU numbers & like the commentators in the media will soon get one hell of a shock to the system. Did you like the broadcast last evening & i hope there was enough different cultures on show for you.
You cannot just say the past is the past with stats!!!

Stats give an overall picture from the past to the present from which a more accurate picture can be formed of how the electorate will vote.

Would you allow the Romans back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past?

Would you allow the Greeks back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past?

I can guarantee that you wouldn't!

I do not under-estimate the anti-EU feeling, but what you under-estimate is how people do not change their voting habits!!! Sure people admire UKIP and what they stand for and what they have brought into the open - the one and only policy/principle. BUT the majority will still not vote for UKIP, why is that? Lack of confidence in Farage? Lack of other policies which people are more bothered about? Lack of answers to the questions that UKIP pose? Double standards by UKIP and still expect to be voted for?

Fact is balance of power will not happen in 2015. We are coming out of recession and money is beginning to flow again and that, as history shows us, means that The Conservatives will be voted in again. BUT I can guarantee that it will be a hung Parliament and I also know, for a fact, that Farage has stated he will NEVER form a coalition with The Conservatives whilst Cameron is in charge and if no other party is willing to form a coalition then the Conservatives will govern with a minority and rely on votes from independents and rebels! That is the more likely outcome of 2015!

I saw the broadcast and had to laugh apart from pulling out of the EU they posed many questions with NO answers - what people want to hear are answers not just questions! The UK people want to be governed by themselves - so how are the going to lower fuel prices? How are they going to stop Scotland getting independence? How are they going to lower taxation whilst trying to clear a National Debt that is over 470% of the GDP? As I say plenty of questions but no answers. People want to hear answers, although it may not happen!!!

There is no earthquake going to happen. People have seen the double-standards in the new poster campaign and that will dent UKIP. No coloured people (although there have been coloured people in Britain for well over 2000 years!!!!). 26 Million EU citizens after our jobs - errr we are EU citizens so UKIP are saying 26 million British are after British jobs, and yet Farage does not trust any British person to be his secretary or understudy and as such stolen 2 jobs away from the British workforce!!! Having a go at MEP's who live the life of luxury and yet forgetting to tell the electorate that UKIP members do the same and have actually used over £3million in expenses wrongly according to the EU expenses rules!!!! Double standards all the way through and yet they expect to be treated differently from the other parties!!!

I have answered your question, now answer mine, unless you are not prepared to do so then that is another nail in the UKIP coffin - not prepared to answers the elctorate's questions!!!!

Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?
Once again i will tell you. What has been the voting pattern in the past has nothing to do with now. The reason the voting decline of the past was because people really had no concern with the EU. Now they have finally woken up to the reality that we are being put into a United states of Europe without having any consent of the public. This election will blow all past stats out of the water people have woken up.
You go out into the town centre and ask 100 people what matters most to them in the elections, and I can guarantee that only 5 or 6 will say anything about the EU!

I can guarantee only about 5 or 6 will say the EU!!!

The rest have far more pressing concerns than whether we are in the EU or not!

History is a useful tool it where mistakes have been made and where mistakes have been solved and it, hopefully goes to help make a better tomorrow. Also there are patterns in historic voting which cannot be denied or just misplaced by saying past is in the past. The past also encompasses the present and leads to the future!

How confident are you that these elections will blow the past out of the water? No monetary bet, but some sort of bet - or is it that you are all mouth and no action?
My bet with you is you bugger off from this site when you are found to be totally wrong with your predictions.. Ill do the same if mine are wrong. Bet is we have more MEPS than last time and we also have more Cllrs.....
Figures please - I can give you my figures again (as I have them written down). For UKIP you have to better 13 seats as that is what you got last time (even though that eventually whittled down to 6)

UKIP 15 seats
LibDems 13 seats
Tories 25 seats
Labour 15 seats
Others 5 seats

But also keep an eye on the number of votes as I predict it will continue the trend downwards therefore any victory will be a hollow victory as the majority of people wouldn't have voted! (last Euro election in 2004 only 30% of the electorate voted - which by simple mathematics means that 70% of the population didn't vote!) Also the weather will have a say on whether people vote or not - again that can be seen in the past!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Out of everything that I have mentioned there, tell me one thing that is a LIE! Fact is you can't! Because everything mentioned there is true and actually backed up by Nigel Farage!!!! To me UKIP is worse than the BNP - at least the BNP are truthful in what they want and are upfront about it, whereas UKIP aren't! BNP have solutions to their policies, UKIP only moan of what is wrong and then say nothing as to how they will improve or how much it will cost or what costs it will be to the voters! I can give many other examples of other political parties where they have solutions to their moans, UKIP says nothing!!! UKIP are just all bark and no bite!!! I haven't lost and lets put it this way you say the majority of people are on your side! Again that is a lie!!! Fact, as it stands, there are more than 75% of people do NOT agree with UKIP. and no matter how you read that, that is not the majority as you keep saying it is!!!![/p][/quote]You really are scraping the barell give it up, dont you know when a cause becomes a lost cause. Yours has.[/p][/quote]LOL you post twice and give yourself the thumbs up twice!! Who are you trying to kid, me or yourself with that? Fact is all the other major parties have stolen UKIP's thunder and UKIP have no other independent thought of how to garner votes as UKIP is a one policy party and now,as part of the new campaign, you are trying to frighten people into voting for UKIP. Another fact is that UKIP are lying and have been proved to lie to scare people. Local elections using a polling vote that was used in Bulgaira which asked would you "like" to stay in Bulgaria or work abroad and UKIP changed it to suggest would they like to work at home or in Britain!!!!!! - and this was used in quite a few local elections in the UK!!!! That is clutching at straws!!! Thing is many more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that UKIP can't actually offer anything different to the other 3 major parties!. Take out the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Keep in the EU policy and what does UKIP offer? Answer to both questions is NOTHING new, and in most cases nothing for the common worker as it is all for big business including the fracking companies!!!!!![/p][/quote]Did you enjoy Ed Miliband saying the messed up ? lol[/p][/quote]Dunno hat you are on about and don't care about Milliband as I am not a Labourite! Every time Labour are in power they always mess up the countries financies which then the Tories get in and make the working and middle classes pay for Labour's errors. It is just history repeating itself over and over again - but you would have known that if you had bothered with studying history and political history. Did you see any of the news channels tonight - people saying positive things about Farage but also saying they would not vote for UKIP or it would have to take a lot to change their voting habits. So its seems that this new campaign hasn't gone as well as planned!!![/p][/quote]We read & see what we want to see. I dont see it like that so the 22 nd of May will decide. Whatever the outcome UKIP will after that date force labour & the torys to have a vote in or out in the 2015 election so it matters not for ukip to win... For them not to would destroy them and they know it.[/p][/quote]Fact is that UKIP cannot force another party to have a referendum or not. Another fact is that yes you may do well in the Euro's but the MEP's cannot dictate what MP's can or cannot do. UKIP could win all seats possible in the Euro's but it still couldn't force a party in Westminster to have a referendum - MEP's do not have that power!!! Actually it wouldn't destroy any party in Westminster. Look at the facts, UKIP took 13 seats in the last Euro's and did nothing to influence Westminster! Plus as people will find out UKIP don't vote for the good of the people, when a vote takes place in Brussels/Luxembourg/ Strasbourg - in fact many UKIP MEP's either abstain or just don't turn up - FACT!!! All UKIP are bothered about are creating problems and chaos within the EU - why vote against, or not vote at all, a motion that would cap mobile phone roaming fees within the EU?? How is that benefitting the people that voted UKIP in? As it is the poster campaign has been a big massive flop and has actually turned people away from UKIP for the blatant double standards that have shown up with UKIP! Plus like I said, look at all news channel reports which interview random strangers who agree with some of hat UKI say but would not vote, or it would have to take a lot more than just one policy to convince people to vote for UKIP. People are not as simple as you think they are, and breaking a voting habit is very hard to do!!![/p][/quote]The people will force them to back peddle if they dont they are finished in 2015.[/p][/quote]No they won't! In fact people are not too bothered about a referendum, they are more bothered about the moneey in their age packet or keeping their job, or making sure that there are enough teachers to teach and enough doctors to heal. yes EU is there but it is definitely not a priority, and never will be until there is an internal wall. The main thing is, if the majority of people were so fired up about the EU and were wanting the referendum then they would have forced the situation long before now - but as it hasn't happened shows the malaise people have about thee topic - just as long as the rights things are being said then people won't be demanding a referendum - only a select few! It is the same situation in all the major EU countries in that there is a small voice of discontent and effectively trying to persuade that the small voice is the majority. The majority are just getting on with their lives and have more important things to think about, more than being part or the EU, when it comes to the elections. Just look at France there is more discontent about being part of the EU, than what there is in the UK, but when its elections time EU is just a minor distraction and other policies are more important to the electorate, which is the same here! Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?[/p][/quote]The past is past & what ever the stats last time has no bearing on this time so its not worth debating. Its now that matters and on the 22nd May a new chapter in British politics never seen before. Ukip will hold the balance of power in 2015 regardless of what you think. You underestimate the anti EU numbers & like the commentators in the media will soon get one hell of a shock to the system. Did you like the broadcast last evening & i hope there was enough different cultures on show for you.[/p][/quote]You cannot just say the past is the past with stats!!! Stats give an overall picture from the past to the present from which a more accurate picture can be formed of how the electorate will vote. Would you allow the Romans back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past? Would you allow the Greeks back into controlling Europe and just say the past is the past? I can guarantee that you wouldn't! I do not under-estimate the anti-EU feeling, but what you under-estimate is how people do not change their voting habits!!! Sure people admire UKIP and what they stand for and what they have brought into the open - the one and only policy/principle. BUT the majority will still not vote for UKIP, why is that? Lack of confidence in Farage? Lack of other policies which people are more bothered about? Lack of answers to the questions that UKIP pose? Double standards by UKIP and still expect to be voted for? Fact is balance of power will not happen in 2015. We are coming out of recession and money is beginning to flow again and that, as history shows us, means that The Conservatives will be voted in again. BUT I can guarantee that it will be a hung Parliament and I also know, for a fact, that Farage has stated he will NEVER form a coalition with The Conservatives whilst Cameron is in charge and if no other party is willing to form a coalition then the Conservatives will govern with a minority and rely on votes from independents and rebels! That is the more likely outcome of 2015! I saw the broadcast and had to laugh apart from pulling out of the EU they posed many questions with NO answers - what people want to hear are answers not just questions! The UK people want to be governed by themselves - so how are the going to lower fuel prices? How are they going to stop Scotland getting independence? How are they going to lower taxation whilst trying to clear a National Debt that is over 470% of the GDP? As I say plenty of questions but no answers. People want to hear answers, although it may not happen!!! There is no earthquake going to happen. People have seen the double-standards in the new poster campaign and that will dent UKIP. No coloured people (although there have been coloured people in Britain for well over 2000 years!!!!). 26 Million EU citizens after our jobs - errr we are EU citizens so UKIP are saying 26 million British are after British jobs, and yet Farage does not trust any British person to be his secretary or understudy and as such stolen 2 jobs away from the British workforce!!! Having a go at MEP's who live the life of luxury and yet forgetting to tell the electorate that UKIP members do the same and have actually used over £3million in expenses wrongly according to the EU expenses rules!!!! Double standards all the way through and yet they expect to be treated differently from the other parties!!! I have answered your question, now answer mine, unless you are not prepared to do so then that is another nail in the UKIP coffin - not prepared to answers the elctorate's questions!!!! Answer this, if you can, the number of people voting in the Euro's has been on the decline since 1979 and last time, in 2009, less than 30% of the British population voted. So if the number of people falls again and yet UKIP win 13 or more seats (lets not forget that 13 seats is the magic figure for UKIP as that is how many seats the won last time although that dwindled down to 6 due to resignations, sacking and changing allegiance) then would you consider that a hollow victory considering the majority of people not only haven't voted for UKIP but have decided to not vote at all?[/p][/quote]Once again i will tell you. What has been the voting pattern in the past has nothing to do with now. The reason the voting decline of the past was because people really had no concern with the EU. Now they have finally woken up to the reality that we are being put into a United states of Europe without having any consent of the public. This election will blow all past stats out of the water people have woken up.[/p][/quote]You go out into the town centre and ask 100 people what matters most to them in the elections, and I can guarantee that only 5 or 6 will say anything about the EU! I can guarantee only about 5 or 6 will say the EU!!! The rest have far more pressing concerns than whether we are in the EU or not! History is a useful tool it where mistakes have been made and where mistakes have been solved and it, hopefully goes to help make a better tomorrow. Also there are patterns in historic voting which cannot be denied or just misplaced by saying past is in the past. The past also encompasses the present and leads to the future! How confident are you that these elections will blow the past out of the water? No monetary bet, but some sort of bet - or is it that you are all mouth and no action?[/p][/quote]My bet with you is you bugger off from this site when you are found to be totally wrong with your predictions.. Ill do the same if mine are wrong. Bet is we have more MEPS than last time and we also have more Cllrs.....[/p][/quote]Figures please - I can give you my figures again (as I have them written down). For UKIP you have to better 13 seats as that is what you got last time (even though that eventually whittled down to 6) UKIP 15 seats LibDems 13 seats Tories 25 seats Labour 15 seats Others 5 seats But also keep an eye on the number of votes as I predict it will continue the trend downwards therefore any victory will be a hollow victory as the majority of people wouldn't have voted! (last Euro election in 2004 only 30% of the electorate voted - which by simple mathematics means that 70% of the population didn't vote!) Also the weather will have a say on whether people vote or not - again that can be seen in the past!!! The Righteous One
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10:35pm Thu 24 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

PS the guesstimate of seats was for the EURO's by the way - as we all know there are only 20 seats up for grabs in the Bolton Council elections!


Just been watching NWT (BBC On @ 22:30) about Farage in Gideon Osborne's constituency, and they asked one bloke who rambled on about immigrants blaah blah blah (all very UKIPish) and then asked would he vote UKIP and he said, "absolutely NOT!" And another person said they are a joke and to be treated like all other joke parties of Labour and LibDems!

Like I say, people think UKIP are brave for bringing to the fore about immigration but the majority will never vote for UKIP!
PS the guesstimate of seats was for the EURO's by the way - as we all know there are only 20 seats up for grabs in the Bolton Council elections! Just been watching NWT (BBC On @ 22:30) about Farage in Gideon Osborne's constituency, and they asked one bloke who rambled on about immigrants blaah blah blah (all very UKIPish) and then asked would he vote UKIP and he said, "absolutely NOT!" And another person said they are a joke and to be treated like all other joke parties of Labour and LibDems! Like I say, people think UKIP are brave for bringing to the fore about immigration but the majority will never vote for UKIP! The Righteous One
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8:21am Fri 25 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
PS the guesstimate of seats was for the EURO's by the way - as we all know there are only 20 seats up for grabs in the Bolton Council elections!


Just been watching NWT (BBC On @ 22:30) about Farage in Gideon Osborne's constituency, and they asked one bloke who rambled on about immigrants blaah blah blah (all very UKIPish) and then asked would he vote UKIP and he said, "absolutely NOT!" And another person said they are a joke and to be treated like all other joke parties of Labour and LibDems!

Like I say, people think UKIP are brave for bringing to the fore about immigration but the majority will never vote for UKIP!
Media are part of the establishment what they show is what they want.. Thank God the media dont vote... The people will that is what matters... Did they also show the thousands of defectors come to ukip from liblab con ?
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: PS the guesstimate of seats was for the EURO's by the way - as we all know there are only 20 seats up for grabs in the Bolton Council elections! Just been watching NWT (BBC On @ 22:30) about Farage in Gideon Osborne's constituency, and they asked one bloke who rambled on about immigrants blaah blah blah (all very UKIPish) and then asked would he vote UKIP and he said, "absolutely NOT!" And another person said they are a joke and to be treated like all other joke parties of Labour and LibDems! Like I say, people think UKIP are brave for bringing to the fore about immigration but the majority will never vote for UKIP![/p][/quote]Media are part of the establishment what they show is what they want.. Thank God the media dont vote... The people will that is what matters... Did they also show the thousands of defectors come to ukip from liblab con ? thomas222
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8:59am Fri 25 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
PS the guesstimate of seats was for the EURO's by the way - as we all know there are only 20 seats up for grabs in the Bolton Council elections!


Just been watching NWT (BBC On @ 22:30) about Farage in Gideon Osborne's constituency, and they asked one bloke who rambled on about immigrants blaah blah blah (all very UKIPish) and then asked would he vote UKIP and he said, "absolutely NOT!" And another person said they are a joke and to be treated like all other joke parties of Labour and LibDems!

Like I say, people think UKIP are brave for bringing to the fore about immigration but the majority will never vote for UKIP!
Media are part of the establishment what they show is what they want.. Thank God the media dont vote... The people will that is what matters... Did they also show the thousands of defectors come to ukip from liblab con ?
Thousands????


Lets see.... over 100,000 have left The Conservatives, in the last 12 months LibDems have lost about 9,000 members, in last 12 months, but also gained 1000 since January, that makes 108,000 people not assigned to a party! But UKIP have a grand total of 35,000 members, whilst new membership of Labour so far this year, is 25% more than that of UKIP - so the question is where are all these thousands of people that have defected to UKIP????

They are the facts and yet you keep thinking that UKIP I the fastest growing party and the most respected party! Firstly the Greens are the fasest growing party and UKIP are treated with the contempt that Labour and LibDems, as well as the Tories are treated with - non-believable, but with the difference is that UKIP are inexperienced in office and people do not trust that at all!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: PS the guesstimate of seats was for the EURO's by the way - as we all know there are only 20 seats up for grabs in the Bolton Council elections! Just been watching NWT (BBC On @ 22:30) about Farage in Gideon Osborne's constituency, and they asked one bloke who rambled on about immigrants blaah blah blah (all very UKIPish) and then asked would he vote UKIP and he said, "absolutely NOT!" And another person said they are a joke and to be treated like all other joke parties of Labour and LibDems! Like I say, people think UKIP are brave for bringing to the fore about immigration but the majority will never vote for UKIP![/p][/quote]Media are part of the establishment what they show is what they want.. Thank God the media dont vote... The people will that is what matters... Did they also show the thousands of defectors come to ukip from liblab con ?[/p][/quote]Thousands???? Lets see.... over 100,000 have left The Conservatives, in the last 12 months LibDems have lost about 9,000 members, in last 12 months, but also gained 1000 since January, that makes 108,000 people not assigned to a party! But UKIP have a grand total of 35,000 members, whilst new membership of Labour so far this year, is 25% more than that of UKIP - so the question is where are all these thousands of people that have defected to UKIP???? They are the facts and yet you keep thinking that UKIP I the fastest growing party and the most respected party! Firstly the Greens are the fasest growing party and UKIP are treated with the contempt that Labour and LibDems, as well as the Tories are treated with - non-believable, but with the difference is that UKIP are inexperienced in office and people do not trust that at all! The Righteous One
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9:15am Fri 25 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
PS the guesstimate of seats was for the EURO's by the way - as we all know there are only 20 seats up for grabs in the Bolton Council elections!


Just been watching NWT (BBC On @ 22:30) about Farage in Gideon Osborne's constituency, and they asked one bloke who rambled on about immigrants blaah blah blah (all very UKIPish) and then asked would he vote UKIP and he said, "absolutely NOT!" And another person said they are a joke and to be treated like all other joke parties of Labour and LibDems!

Like I say, people think UKIP are brave for bringing to the fore about immigration but the majority will never vote for UKIP!
Media are part of the establishment what they show is what they want.. Thank God the media dont vote... The people will that is what matters... Did they also show the thousands of defectors come to ukip from liblab con ?
Thousands????


Lets see.... over 100,000 have left The Conservatives, in the last 12 months LibDems have lost about 9,000 members, in last 12 months, but also gained 1000 since January, that makes 108,000 people not assigned to a party! But UKIP have a grand total of 35,000 members, whilst new membership of Labour so far this year, is 25% more than that of UKIP - so the question is where are all these thousands of people that have defected to UKIP????

They are the facts and yet you keep thinking that UKIP I the fastest growing party and the most respected party! Firstly the Greens are the fasest growing party and UKIP are treated with the contempt that Labour and LibDems, as well as the Tories are treated with - non-believable, but with the difference is that UKIP are inexperienced in office and people do not trust that at all!
Membership means nothing it is votes that count. So all your stats & figures mean nothing. You live in the past i live in the now.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: PS the guesstimate of seats was for the EURO's by the way - as we all know there are only 20 seats up for grabs in the Bolton Council elections! Just been watching NWT (BBC On @ 22:30) about Farage in Gideon Osborne's constituency, and they asked one bloke who rambled on about immigrants blaah blah blah (all very UKIPish) and then asked would he vote UKIP and he said, "absolutely NOT!" And another person said they are a joke and to be treated like all other joke parties of Labour and LibDems! Like I say, people think UKIP are brave for bringing to the fore about immigration but the majority will never vote for UKIP![/p][/quote]Media are part of the establishment what they show is what they want.. Thank God the media dont vote... The people will that is what matters... Did they also show the thousands of defectors come to ukip from liblab con ?[/p][/quote]Thousands???? Lets see.... over 100,000 have left The Conservatives, in the last 12 months LibDems have lost about 9,000 members, in last 12 months, but also gained 1000 since January, that makes 108,000 people not assigned to a party! But UKIP have a grand total of 35,000 members, whilst new membership of Labour so far this year, is 25% more than that of UKIP - so the question is where are all these thousands of people that have defected to UKIP???? They are the facts and yet you keep thinking that UKIP I the fastest growing party and the most respected party! Firstly the Greens are the fasest growing party and UKIP are treated with the contempt that Labour and LibDems, as well as the Tories are treated with - non-believable, but with the difference is that UKIP are inexperienced in office and people do not trust that at all![/p][/quote]Membership means nothing it is votes that count. So all your stats & figures mean nothing. You live in the past i live in the now. thomas222
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10:01pm Sat 26 Apr 14

Greasy Chip Butty says...

FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
While I support this idea of flying the British flag, what I cannot tolerate are these foreigners in and around Bolton that fly the flag of their own country from their house. I think it is utterly disgusting.
I agree there's a bloke who lives near me. He'll fly the stars and stripes flag on the 4th of July. I find this repulsive, FreedomOfSpeech1945.

We are not the 51st state.
[quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: While I support this idea of flying the British flag, what I cannot tolerate are these foreigners in and around Bolton that fly the flag of their own country from their house. I think it is utterly disgusting.[/p][/quote]I agree there's a bloke who lives near me. He'll fly the stars and stripes flag on the 4th of July. I find this repulsive, FreedomOfSpeech1945. We are not the 51st state. Greasy Chip Butty
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9:07am Sun 27 Apr 14

Ernagy2 says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
PS the guesstimate of seats was for the EURO's by the way - as we all know there are only 20 seats up for grabs in the Bolton Council elections!


Just been watching NWT (BBC On @ 22:30) about Farage in Gideon Osborne's constituency, and they asked one bloke who rambled on about immigrants blaah blah blah (all very UKIPish) and then asked would he vote UKIP and he said, "absolutely NOT!" And another person said they are a joke and to be treated like all other joke parties of Labour and LibDems!

Like I say, people think UKIP are brave for bringing to the fore about immigration but the majority will never vote for UKIP!
Media are part of the establishment what they show is what they want.. Thank God the media dont vote... The people will that is what matters... Did they also show the thousands of defectors come to ukip from liblab con ?
Thousands????


Lets see.... over 100,000 have left The Conservatives, in the last 12 months LibDems have lost about 9,000 members, in last 12 months, but also gained 1000 since January, that makes 108,000 people not assigned to a party! But UKIP have a grand total of 35,000 members, whilst new membership of Labour so far this year, is 25% more than that of UKIP - so the question is where are all these thousands of people that have defected to UKIP????

They are the facts and yet you keep thinking that UKIP I the fastest growing party and the most respected party! Firstly the Greens are the fasest growing party and UKIP are treated with the contempt that Labour and LibDems, as well as the Tories are treated with - non-believable, but with the difference is that UKIP are inexperienced in office and people do not trust that at all!
Membership means nothing it is votes that count. So all your stats & figures mean nothing. You live in the past i live in the now.
The European Parliament means nothing though. UKIP can have all the votes they want for the European Parliament - it won't change anything. If UKIP refuse to get involved in European Parliament as they do now then what difference does it make? People will vote for anything European Parliament elections as country holds euro dream in contempt.

It's votes at Westminster that matter. I doubt UKIP will have a say there. Unless Scots vote for an Independent state, Labour will walk the next election. All UKIP are doing is helping Labour.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: PS the guesstimate of seats was for the EURO's by the way - as we all know there are only 20 seats up for grabs in the Bolton Council elections! Just been watching NWT (BBC On @ 22:30) about Farage in Gideon Osborne's constituency, and they asked one bloke who rambled on about immigrants blaah blah blah (all very UKIPish) and then asked would he vote UKIP and he said, "absolutely NOT!" And another person said they are a joke and to be treated like all other joke parties of Labour and LibDems! Like I say, people think UKIP are brave for bringing to the fore about immigration but the majority will never vote for UKIP![/p][/quote]Media are part of the establishment what they show is what they want.. Thank God the media dont vote... The people will that is what matters... Did they also show the thousands of defectors come to ukip from liblab con ?[/p][/quote]Thousands???? Lets see.... over 100,000 have left The Conservatives, in the last 12 months LibDems have lost about 9,000 members, in last 12 months, but also gained 1000 since January, that makes 108,000 people not assigned to a party! But UKIP have a grand total of 35,000 members, whilst new membership of Labour so far this year, is 25% more than that of UKIP - so the question is where are all these thousands of people that have defected to UKIP???? They are the facts and yet you keep thinking that UKIP I the fastest growing party and the most respected party! Firstly the Greens are the fasest growing party and UKIP are treated with the contempt that Labour and LibDems, as well as the Tories are treated with - non-believable, but with the difference is that UKIP are inexperienced in office and people do not trust that at all![/p][/quote]Membership means nothing it is votes that count. So all your stats & figures mean nothing. You live in the past i live in the now.[/p][/quote]The European Parliament means nothing though. UKIP can have all the votes they want for the European Parliament - it won't change anything. If UKIP refuse to get involved in European Parliament as they do now then what difference does it make? People will vote for anything European Parliament elections as country holds euro dream in contempt. It's votes at Westminster that matter. I doubt UKIP will have a say there. Unless Scots vote for an Independent state, Labour will walk the next election. All UKIP are doing is helping Labour. Ernagy2
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thomas222 says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
PS the guesstimate of seats was for the EURO's by the way - as we all know there are only 20 seats up for grabs in the Bolton Council elections!


Just been watching NWT (BBC On @ 22:30) about Farage in Gideon Osborne's constituency, and they asked one bloke who rambled on about immigrants blaah blah blah (all very UKIPish) and then asked would he vote UKIP and he said, "absolutely NOT!" And another person said they are a joke and to be treated like all other joke parties of Labour and LibDems!

Like I say, people think UKIP are brave for bringing to the fore about immigration but the majority will never vote for UKIP!
Media are part of the establishment what they show is what they want.. Thank God the media dont vote... The people will that is what matters... Did they also show the thousands of defectors come to ukip from liblab con ?
Thousands????


Lets see.... over 100,000 have left The Conservatives, in the last 12 months LibDems have lost about 9,000 members, in last 12 months, but also gained 1000 since January, that makes 108,000 people not assigned to a party! But UKIP have a grand total of 35,000 members, whilst new membership of Labour so far this year, is 25% more than that of UKIP - so the question is where are all these thousands of people that have defected to UKIP????

They are the facts and yet you keep thinking that UKIP I the fastest growing party and the most respected party! Firstly the Greens are the fasest growing party and UKIP are treated with the contempt that Labour and LibDems, as well as the Tories are treated with - non-believable, but with the difference is that UKIP are inexperienced in office and people do not trust that at all!
Membership means nothing it is votes that count. So all your stats & figures mean nothing. You live in the past i live in the now.
The European Parliament means nothing though. UKIP can have all the votes they want for the European Parliament - it won't change anything. If UKIP refuse to get involved in European Parliament as they do now then what difference does it make? People will vote for anything European Parliament elections as country holds euro dream in contempt.

It's votes at Westminster that matter. I doubt UKIP will have a say there. Unless Scots vote for an Independent state, Labour will walk the next election. All UKIP are doing is helping Labour.
No one knows how Labour will do at the next Election if they could predict that correctly they would be very rich. What you are saying is you think they will walk it. Thats your opinion & mine is they may not.
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: PS the guesstimate of seats was for the EURO's by the way - as we all know there are only 20 seats up for grabs in the Bolton Council elections! Just been watching NWT (BBC On @ 22:30) about Farage in Gideon Osborne's constituency, and they asked one bloke who rambled on about immigrants blaah blah blah (all very UKIPish) and then asked would he vote UKIP and he said, "absolutely NOT!" And another person said they are a joke and to be treated like all other joke parties of Labour and LibDems! Like I say, people think UKIP are brave for bringing to the fore about immigration but the majority will never vote for UKIP![/p][/quote]Media are part of the establishment what they show is what they want.. Thank God the media dont vote... The people will that is what matters... Did they also show the thousands of defectors come to ukip from liblab con ?[/p][/quote]Thousands???? Lets see.... over 100,000 have left The Conservatives, in the last 12 months LibDems have lost about 9,000 members, in last 12 months, but also gained 1000 since January, that makes 108,000 people not assigned to a party! But UKIP have a grand total of 35,000 members, whilst new membership of Labour so far this year, is 25% more than that of UKIP - so the question is where are all these thousands of people that have defected to UKIP???? They are the facts and yet you keep thinking that UKIP I the fastest growing party and the most respected party! Firstly the Greens are the fasest growing party and UKIP are treated with the contempt that Labour and LibDems, as well as the Tories are treated with - non-believable, but with the difference is that UKIP are inexperienced in office and people do not trust that at all![/p][/quote]Membership means nothing it is votes that count. So all your stats & figures mean nothing. You live in the past i live in the now.[/p][/quote]The European Parliament means nothing though. UKIP can have all the votes they want for the European Parliament - it won't change anything. If UKIP refuse to get involved in European Parliament as they do now then what difference does it make? People will vote for anything European Parliament elections as country holds euro dream in contempt. It's votes at Westminster that matter. I doubt UKIP will have a say there. Unless Scots vote for an Independent state, Labour will walk the next election. All UKIP are doing is helping Labour.[/p][/quote]No one knows how Labour will do at the next Election if they could predict that correctly they would be very rich. What you are saying is you think they will walk it. Thats your opinion & mine is they may not. thomas222
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