Call for debate over halal meat

Call for debate over halal meat

Meat. Some animal rights campaigners claim halal methods are cruel, while others have defended the traditional practice.

MP Yasmin Qureshi

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THE use of halal meat in restaurants across the country has hit the headlines after both Pizza Express and Subway were criticised. Melanie Wallwork speaks to Bolton MP Yasmin Qureshi about the issue

WHILE the sale of halal meat in restaurants has been carried out for a number of years in the UK, including in selected Subway stores since 2007, the issue has sparked debate this week.

Pizza Express has been accused of selling halal chicken without telling customers — as this policy is not advertised in their menus, although it is stated on the chain’s website.

Bolton South East MP Yasmin Qureshi has welcomed a debate on the topic and has tweeted about the issue this week.

She said: “Some people say that halal or kosher meat is not right because they say the method of slaughter is inhumane or it causes the animal to suffer longer.

"There is a lot of evidence to show that, in fact, the kosher and the halal method of slaughtering animals, actually the animal suffers less pain for less of the time than it does in the other method.

"If they are going to have this debate, they should at least have a factual debate.

“About 90 per cent of the meat which is called halal is actually stunned meat, therefore it is killed in exactly the same way as non-halal meat.

“If people want to have a debate about methods of slaughter, they should have a proper debate about whether one method is better than the other? It shouldn’t be bound up in religion.”

According to a 2012 Food Standards Agency report cited by the RSPCA, 97 per cent of cattle, 96 per cent of poultry and 90 per cent of sheep slaughtered using the halal method in UK abattoirs are stunned.

Some stricter Muslims insist stunning “is not halal” and animals must be slaughtered without this initial step, a method opposed by former Bolton and District Butchers president Tim Pollitt.

Mr Pollitt, from TPB Foods Limited, in Tonge Bridge Industrial Estate, said: “We are totally against non-stunning halal. It’s animal cruelty at the end of the day.

“To cut an animal’s throat and let it bleed to death means it suffers pain and agony.

“I sell halal meat here which is stunned. We supply a few schools that insist on halal. But non-stun, in my opinion, is inhumane.”

What Islamic law allows

  • Halal is the Arabic word for lawful or permitted. It is a broad term covering what is allowed in the context of Islamic law but is often used in conjunction with the issue of how meat is dealt with.
  • Traditional halal meat is killed by hand and must be blessed by the slaughterman. Islam has strict laws on the proper method of slaughtering an animal.
  • One, called dhabihah, requires a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck that cuts the jugular vein.
  • For meat to be considered halal the animal must be alive and healthy before it is killed, and all the blood must be drained from the body.

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7:22am Fri 9 May 14

JustBecause says...

What is the poll about, it's not the right question, stunned halal is the same, the question should be about none stunned, which should be banned in the UK end of debate, if the Muslims who want none stunned complain tuff ****, this is England. Anyone caught doing it should be prosecuted.

Religion cannot be an excuse to break the law of the land.
What is the poll about, it's not the right question, stunned halal is the same, the question should be about none stunned, which should be banned in the UK end of debate, if the Muslims who want none stunned complain tuff ****, this is England. Anyone caught doing it should be prosecuted. Religion cannot be an excuse to break the law of the land. JustBecause
  • Score: 66

7:47am Fri 9 May 14

Bilulek says...

Humane slaughter. That's a first. After all all killing is inhumane.
Humane slaughter. That's a first. After all all killing is inhumane. Bilulek
  • Score: 23

8:04am Fri 9 May 14

thomas222 says...

Jewish people also have Kosher & dont eat pork but unlike the Halal is has never been forced on anyone why does Halal. Also the licence to do Kosher & Halal states that said food should only be sold to Jewish & Muslim people who have this way of life with food. It was never meant to be introduced to the general public.
Jewish people also have Kosher & dont eat pork but unlike the Halal is has never been forced on anyone why does Halal. Also the licence to do Kosher & Halal states that said food should only be sold to Jewish & Muslim people who have this way of life with food. It was never meant to be introduced to the general public. thomas222
  • Score: 74

8:11am Fri 9 May 14

collthorn says...

97% cattle, 96% poultry and 90% sheep. Not to mention that even a smaller amount are suffering, and shouldn't be. Why are sheep the larger percentage? Is it because it is the more preferred diet?
97% cattle, 96% poultry and 90% sheep. Not to mention that even a smaller amount are suffering, and shouldn't be. Why are sheep the larger percentage? Is it because it is the more preferred diet? collthorn
  • Score: 15

8:15am Fri 9 May 14

Reed Lover says...

Racist hysteria, no more no less.
The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.
Racist hysteria, no more no less. The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep. Reed Lover
  • Score: -35

8:22am Fri 9 May 14

thomas222 says...

Reed Lover wrote:
Racist hysteria, no more no less.
The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.
Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.
[quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: Racist hysteria, no more no less. The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.[/p][/quote]Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time. thomas222
  • Score: 57

8:59am Fri 9 May 14

Reed Lover says...

thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Racist hysteria, no more no less.
The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.
Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.
The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election.
There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual.
This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: Racist hysteria, no more no less. The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.[/p][/quote]Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.[/p][/quote]The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election. There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual. This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything. Reed Lover
  • Score: -27

9:04am Fri 9 May 14

waterbottle says...

When u pi55 heads are going home after a night out where do u go before u go home halal takeaway who drives you there muslim taxi driver. Hypocrites
When u pi55 heads are going home after a night out where do u go before u go home halal takeaway who drives you there muslim taxi driver. Hypocrites waterbottle
  • Score: -54

9:04am Fri 9 May 14

thomas222 says...

Reed Lover wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Racist hysteria, no more no less.
The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.
Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.
The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election.
There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual.
This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.
Why has Kosher never been marketed like this and Halal has?. This non story you mention is now being debated and things will change. We have a choice of what we eat as Muslims & Jewish people have. Whats the difference?
[quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: Racist hysteria, no more no less. The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.[/p][/quote]Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.[/p][/quote]The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election. There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual. This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.[/p][/quote]Why has Kosher never been marketed like this and Halal has?. This non story you mention is now being debated and things will change. We have a choice of what we eat as Muslims & Jewish people have. Whats the difference? thomas222
  • Score: 25

9:27am Fri 9 May 14

The Squire In Residence says...

Take a look at this article and an imam puts the facts down... I doubt wether even the 'real muslims' knew this , never mind the bandwagon jumping do-gooders.......

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/debate/articl
e-2623879/We-Muslims
-appalled-sale-halal
-meat-stealth.html
Take a look at this article and an imam puts the facts down... I doubt wether even the 'real muslims' knew this , never mind the bandwagon jumping do-gooders....... http://www.dailymail .co.uk/debate/articl e-2623879/We-Muslims -appalled-sale-halal -meat-stealth.html The Squire In Residence
  • Score: 61

9:28am Fri 9 May 14

Reed Lover says...

thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Racist hysteria, no more no less.
The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.
Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.
The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election.
There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual.
This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.
Why has Kosher never been marketed like this and Halal has?. This non story you mention is now being debated and things will change. We have a choice of what we eat as Muslims & Jewish people have. Whats the difference?
Because how the animal is slaughtered in these instances is a moot point. Butchery is barbaric whether you look from a Western perspective or an Eastern one.
Kosher has never been marketed in this way because Jewish people would not use these outlets or stores. The only difference between Kosher and Halal is the mumbo jumbo uttered during the ritual. They are the same and are both informed by the Old Testament.
Mislabelling of food us a far wider issue than the method of slaughter. We are stuffing tons of mechanically recovered meat and fish products down our necks, eating slurry that is saturated in chemicals or composed entirely of chemicals and meat that could be any of a number of farm animals. Yet people focus on a religious ritual.
But it isn't racism...
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: Racist hysteria, no more no less. The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.[/p][/quote]Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.[/p][/quote]The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election. There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual. This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.[/p][/quote]Why has Kosher never been marketed like this and Halal has?. This non story you mention is now being debated and things will change. We have a choice of what we eat as Muslims & Jewish people have. Whats the difference?[/p][/quote]Because how the animal is slaughtered in these instances is a moot point. Butchery is barbaric whether you look from a Western perspective or an Eastern one. Kosher has never been marketed in this way because Jewish people would not use these outlets or stores. The only difference between Kosher and Halal is the mumbo jumbo uttered during the ritual. They are the same and are both informed by the Old Testament. Mislabelling of food us a far wider issue than the method of slaughter. We are stuffing tons of mechanically recovered meat and fish products down our necks, eating slurry that is saturated in chemicals or composed entirely of chemicals and meat that could be any of a number of farm animals. Yet people focus on a religious ritual. But it isn't racism... Reed Lover
  • Score: -16

9:45am Fri 9 May 14

LisaDW says...

Why this debate now???
The simple fact is that if you want to eat meat then animals have to die! Whichever way you look at it, the outcome is always the same. The Sun and The Mail are full of opinionated rubbish that feed ignorance and give people the excuse to target muslims and other religious/ cultural groups in a discriminatory way.
By the way I enjoyed my Halal chicken at Nando's Middlebrook yesterday!
Why this debate now??? The simple fact is that if you want to eat meat then animals have to die! Whichever way you look at it, the outcome is always the same. The Sun and The Mail are full of opinionated rubbish that feed ignorance and give people the excuse to target muslims and other religious/ cultural groups in a discriminatory way. By the way I enjoyed my Halal chicken at Nando's Middlebrook yesterday! LisaDW
  • Score: -29

9:49am Fri 9 May 14

thomas222 says...

Reed Lover wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Racist hysteria, no more no less.
The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.
Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.
The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election.
There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual.
This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.
Why has Kosher never been marketed like this and Halal has?. This non story you mention is now being debated and things will change. We have a choice of what we eat as Muslims & Jewish people have. Whats the difference?
Because how the animal is slaughtered in these instances is a moot point. Butchery is barbaric whether you look from a Western perspective or an Eastern one.
Kosher has never been marketed in this way because Jewish people would not use these outlets or stores. The only difference between Kosher and Halal is the mumbo jumbo uttered during the ritual. They are the same and are both informed by the Old Testament.
Mislabelling of food us a far wider issue than the method of slaughter. We are stuffing tons of mechanically recovered meat and fish products down our necks, eating slurry that is saturated in chemicals or composed entirely of chemicals and meat that could be any of a number of farm animals. Yet people focus on a religious ritual.
But it isn't racism...
The Muslim community in the UK is 4.8% and the rest non Muslim is 95% so how does that work then, why should 4.8% of the population control the 95% in what we eat & also using the status Halal also leaves companies free from paying vat & any taxes as its classed as charity.. very nice eh!
[quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: Racist hysteria, no more no less. The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.[/p][/quote]Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.[/p][/quote]The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election. There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual. This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.[/p][/quote]Why has Kosher never been marketed like this and Halal has?. This non story you mention is now being debated and things will change. We have a choice of what we eat as Muslims & Jewish people have. Whats the difference?[/p][/quote]Because how the animal is slaughtered in these instances is a moot point. Butchery is barbaric whether you look from a Western perspective or an Eastern one. Kosher has never been marketed in this way because Jewish people would not use these outlets or stores. The only difference between Kosher and Halal is the mumbo jumbo uttered during the ritual. They are the same and are both informed by the Old Testament. Mislabelling of food us a far wider issue than the method of slaughter. We are stuffing tons of mechanically recovered meat and fish products down our necks, eating slurry that is saturated in chemicals or composed entirely of chemicals and meat that could be any of a number of farm animals. Yet people focus on a religious ritual. But it isn't racism...[/p][/quote]The Muslim community in the UK is 4.8% and the rest non Muslim is 95% so how does that work then, why should 4.8% of the population control the 95% in what we eat & also using the status Halal also leaves companies free from paying vat & any taxes as its classed as charity.. very nice eh! thomas222
  • Score: 43

11:27am Fri 9 May 14

TerrylovesCheri says...

thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Racist hysteria, no more no less.
The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.
Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.
The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election.
There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual.
This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.
Why has Kosher never been marketed like this and Halal has?. This non story you mention is now being debated and things will change. We have a choice of what we eat as Muslims & Jewish people have. Whats the difference?
Because how the animal is slaughtered in these instances is a moot point. Butchery is barbaric whether you look from a Western perspective or an Eastern one.
Kosher has never been marketed in this way because Jewish people would not use these outlets or stores. The only difference between Kosher and Halal is the mumbo jumbo uttered during the ritual. They are the same and are both informed by the Old Testament.
Mislabelling of food us a far wider issue than the method of slaughter. We are stuffing tons of mechanically recovered meat and fish products down our necks, eating slurry that is saturated in chemicals or composed entirely of chemicals and meat that could be any of a number of farm animals. Yet people focus on a religious ritual.
But it isn't racism...
The Muslim community in the UK is 4.8% and the rest non Muslim is 95% so how does that work then, why should 4.8% of the population control the 95% in what we eat & also using the status Halal also leaves companies free from paying vat & any taxes as its classed as charity.. very nice eh!
Moron.. When did selling Halal become charity?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: Racist hysteria, no more no less. The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.[/p][/quote]Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.[/p][/quote]The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election. There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual. This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.[/p][/quote]Why has Kosher never been marketed like this and Halal has?. This non story you mention is now being debated and things will change. We have a choice of what we eat as Muslims & Jewish people have. Whats the difference?[/p][/quote]Because how the animal is slaughtered in these instances is a moot point. Butchery is barbaric whether you look from a Western perspective or an Eastern one. Kosher has never been marketed in this way because Jewish people would not use these outlets or stores. The only difference between Kosher and Halal is the mumbo jumbo uttered during the ritual. They are the same and are both informed by the Old Testament. Mislabelling of food us a far wider issue than the method of slaughter. We are stuffing tons of mechanically recovered meat and fish products down our necks, eating slurry that is saturated in chemicals or composed entirely of chemicals and meat that could be any of a number of farm animals. Yet people focus on a religious ritual. But it isn't racism...[/p][/quote]The Muslim community in the UK is 4.8% and the rest non Muslim is 95% so how does that work then, why should 4.8% of the population control the 95% in what we eat & also using the status Halal also leaves companies free from paying vat & any taxes as its classed as charity.. very nice eh![/p][/quote]Moron.. When did selling Halal become charity? TerrylovesCheri
  • Score: 12

11:32am Fri 9 May 14

Reed Lover says...

LisaDW wrote:
Why this debate now???
The simple fact is that if you want to eat meat then animals have to die! Whichever way you look at it, the outcome is always the same. The Sun and The Mail are full of opinionated rubbish that feed ignorance and give people the excuse to target muslims and other religious/ cultural groups in a discriminatory way.
By the way I enjoyed my Halal chicken at Nando's Middlebrook yesterday!
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]LisaDW[/bold] wrote: Why this debate now??? The simple fact is that if you want to eat meat then animals have to die! Whichever way you look at it, the outcome is always the same. The Sun and The Mail are full of opinionated rubbish that feed ignorance and give people the excuse to target muslims and other religious/ cultural groups in a discriminatory way. By the way I enjoyed my Halal chicken at Nando's Middlebrook yesterday![/p][/quote]Well said. Reed Lover
  • Score: 2

11:35am Fri 9 May 14

Reed Lover says...

thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Racist hysteria, no more no less.
The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.
Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.
The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election.
There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual.
This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.
Why has Kosher never been marketed like this and Halal has?. This non story you mention is now being debated and things will change. We have a choice of what we eat as Muslims & Jewish people have. Whats the difference?
Because how the animal is slaughtered in these instances is a moot point. Butchery is barbaric whether you look from a Western perspective or an Eastern one.
Kosher has never been marketed in this way because Jewish people would not use these outlets or stores. The only difference between Kosher and Halal is the mumbo jumbo uttered during the ritual. They are the same and are both informed by the Old Testament.
Mislabelling of food us a far wider issue than the method of slaughter. We are stuffing tons of mechanically recovered meat and fish products down our necks, eating slurry that is saturated in chemicals or composed entirely of chemicals and meat that could be any of a number of farm animals. Yet people focus on a religious ritual.
But it isn't racism...
The Muslim community in the UK is 4.8% and the rest non Muslim is 95% so how does that work then, why should 4.8% of the population control the 95% in what we eat & also using the status Halal also leaves companies free from paying vat & any taxes as its classed as charity.. very nice eh!
Control? You'd better unpack your tin foil hat!

Can you really imagine Cameron and his cronies embracing Sharia or allowing Muslims to "control" what we eat? What planet are you on?
It's just racism, pure and simple.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: Racist hysteria, no more no less. The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.[/p][/quote]Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.[/p][/quote]The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election. There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual. This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.[/p][/quote]Why has Kosher never been marketed like this and Halal has?. This non story you mention is now being debated and things will change. We have a choice of what we eat as Muslims & Jewish people have. Whats the difference?[/p][/quote]Because how the animal is slaughtered in these instances is a moot point. Butchery is barbaric whether you look from a Western perspective or an Eastern one. Kosher has never been marketed in this way because Jewish people would not use these outlets or stores. The only difference between Kosher and Halal is the mumbo jumbo uttered during the ritual. They are the same and are both informed by the Old Testament. Mislabelling of food us a far wider issue than the method of slaughter. We are stuffing tons of mechanically recovered meat and fish products down our necks, eating slurry that is saturated in chemicals or composed entirely of chemicals and meat that could be any of a number of farm animals. Yet people focus on a religious ritual. But it isn't racism...[/p][/quote]The Muslim community in the UK is 4.8% and the rest non Muslim is 95% so how does that work then, why should 4.8% of the population control the 95% in what we eat & also using the status Halal also leaves companies free from paying vat & any taxes as its classed as charity.. very nice eh![/p][/quote]Control? You'd better unpack your tin foil hat! Can you really imagine Cameron and his cronies embracing Sharia or allowing Muslims to "control" what we eat? What planet are you on? It's just racism, pure and simple. Reed Lover
  • Score: -10

12:03pm Fri 9 May 14

lv8151 says...

TerrylovesCheri wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Racist hysteria, no more no less.
The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.
Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.
The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election.
There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual.
This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.
Why has Kosher never been marketed like this and Halal has?. This non story you mention is now being debated and things will change. We have a choice of what we eat as Muslims & Jewish people have. Whats the difference?
Because how the animal is slaughtered in these instances is a moot point. Butchery is barbaric whether you look from a Western perspective or an Eastern one.
Kosher has never been marketed in this way because Jewish people would not use these outlets or stores. The only difference between Kosher and Halal is the mumbo jumbo uttered during the ritual. They are the same and are both informed by the Old Testament.
Mislabelling of food us a far wider issue than the method of slaughter. We are stuffing tons of mechanically recovered meat and fish products down our necks, eating slurry that is saturated in chemicals or composed entirely of chemicals and meat that could be any of a number of farm animals. Yet people focus on a religious ritual.
But it isn't racism...
The Muslim community in the UK is 4.8% and the rest non Muslim is 95% so how does that work then, why should 4.8% of the population control the 95% in what we eat & also using the status Halal also leaves companies free from paying vat & any taxes as its classed as charity.. very nice eh!
Moron.. When did selling Halal become charity?
a little research would stop you looking dumb ..... you moron !!!!!!
http://halalfoodauth
ority.com/
[quote][p][bold]TerrylovesCheri[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: Racist hysteria, no more no less. The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.[/p][/quote]Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.[/p][/quote]The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election. There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual. This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.[/p][/quote]Why has Kosher never been marketed like this and Halal has?. This non story you mention is now being debated and things will change. We have a choice of what we eat as Muslims & Jewish people have. Whats the difference?[/p][/quote]Because how the animal is slaughtered in these instances is a moot point. Butchery is barbaric whether you look from a Western perspective or an Eastern one. Kosher has never been marketed in this way because Jewish people would not use these outlets or stores. The only difference between Kosher and Halal is the mumbo jumbo uttered during the ritual. They are the same and are both informed by the Old Testament. Mislabelling of food us a far wider issue than the method of slaughter. We are stuffing tons of mechanically recovered meat and fish products down our necks, eating slurry that is saturated in chemicals or composed entirely of chemicals and meat that could be any of a number of farm animals. Yet people focus on a religious ritual. But it isn't racism...[/p][/quote]The Muslim community in the UK is 4.8% and the rest non Muslim is 95% so how does that work then, why should 4.8% of the population control the 95% in what we eat & also using the status Halal also leaves companies free from paying vat & any taxes as its classed as charity.. very nice eh![/p][/quote]Moron.. When did selling Halal become charity?[/p][/quote]a little research would stop you looking dumb ..... you moron !!!!!! http://halalfoodauth ority.com/ lv8151
  • Score: 82

12:03pm Fri 9 May 14

Jackael says...

Reed Lover wrote:
LisaDW wrote:
Why this debate now???
The simple fact is that if you want to eat meat then animals have to die! Whichever way you look at it, the outcome is always the same. The Sun and The Mail are full of opinionated rubbish that feed ignorance and give people the excuse to target muslims and other religious/ cultural groups in a discriminatory way.
By the way I enjoyed my Halal chicken at Nando's Middlebrook yesterday!
Well said.
If an animal needs to be slaughtered for food why should religion play any part whatsoever, it should be done as quickly and painlessly as possible, those should be the only two factors involved.
If that's not good enough for some people well let them go and live somewhere else .
[quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LisaDW[/bold] wrote: Why this debate now??? The simple fact is that if you want to eat meat then animals have to die! Whichever way you look at it, the outcome is always the same. The Sun and The Mail are full of opinionated rubbish that feed ignorance and give people the excuse to target muslims and other religious/ cultural groups in a discriminatory way. By the way I enjoyed my Halal chicken at Nando's Middlebrook yesterday![/p][/quote]Well said.[/p][/quote]If an animal needs to be slaughtered for food why should religion play any part whatsoever, it should be done as quickly and painlessly as possible, those should be the only two factors involved. If that's not good enough for some people well let them go and live somewhere else . Jackael
  • Score: 20

12:19pm Fri 9 May 14

TerrylovesCheri says...

lv8151 wrote:
TerrylovesCheri wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Racist hysteria, no more no less.
The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.
Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.
The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election.
There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual.
This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.
Why has Kosher never been marketed like this and Halal has?. This non story you mention is now being debated and things will change. We have a choice of what we eat as Muslims & Jewish people have. Whats the difference?
Because how the animal is slaughtered in these instances is a moot point. Butchery is barbaric whether you look from a Western perspective or an Eastern one.
Kosher has never been marketed in this way because Jewish people would not use these outlets or stores. The only difference between Kosher and Halal is the mumbo jumbo uttered during the ritual. They are the same and are both informed by the Old Testament.
Mislabelling of food us a far wider issue than the method of slaughter. We are stuffing tons of mechanically recovered meat and fish products down our necks, eating slurry that is saturated in chemicals or composed entirely of chemicals and meat that could be any of a number of farm animals. Yet people focus on a religious ritual.
But it isn't racism...
The Muslim community in the UK is 4.8% and the rest non Muslim is 95% so how does that work then, why should 4.8% of the population control the 95% in what we eat & also using the status Halal also leaves companies free from paying vat & any taxes as its classed as charity.. very nice eh!
Moron.. When did selling Halal become charity?
a little research would stop you looking dumb ..... you moron !!!!!!
http://halalfoodauth

ority.com/
Good work Sherlock...NOT. Did you even read that website for yourself? The link you posted is about the organisation that approves halal meat. The organisation itself is a charity, not those who sell the meat.
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TerrylovesCheri[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: Racist hysteria, no more no less. The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.[/p][/quote]Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.[/p][/quote]The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election. There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual. This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.[/p][/quote]Why has Kosher never been marketed like this and Halal has?. This non story you mention is now being debated and things will change. We have a choice of what we eat as Muslims & Jewish people have. Whats the difference?[/p][/quote]Because how the animal is slaughtered in these instances is a moot point. Butchery is barbaric whether you look from a Western perspective or an Eastern one. Kosher has never been marketed in this way because Jewish people would not use these outlets or stores. The only difference between Kosher and Halal is the mumbo jumbo uttered during the ritual. They are the same and are both informed by the Old Testament. Mislabelling of food us a far wider issue than the method of slaughter. We are stuffing tons of mechanically recovered meat and fish products down our necks, eating slurry that is saturated in chemicals or composed entirely of chemicals and meat that could be any of a number of farm animals. Yet people focus on a religious ritual. But it isn't racism...[/p][/quote]The Muslim community in the UK is 4.8% and the rest non Muslim is 95% so how does that work then, why should 4.8% of the population control the 95% in what we eat & also using the status Halal also leaves companies free from paying vat & any taxes as its classed as charity.. very nice eh![/p][/quote]Moron.. When did selling Halal become charity?[/p][/quote]a little research would stop you looking dumb ..... you moron !!!!!! http://halalfoodauth ority.com/[/p][/quote]Good work Sherlock...NOT. Did you even read that website for yourself? The link you posted is about the organisation that approves halal meat. The organisation itself is a charity, not those who sell the meat. TerrylovesCheri
  • Score: 12

12:24pm Fri 9 May 14

sueie1 says...

Just like to say, I pressed the wrong button in error, I should have voted NO.
Just like to say, I pressed the wrong button in error, I should have voted NO. sueie1
  • Score: -4

12:29pm Fri 9 May 14

thomas222 says...

TerrylovesCheri wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
TerrylovesCheri wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Racist hysteria, no more no less.
The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.
Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.
The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election.
There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual.
This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.
Why has Kosher never been marketed like this and Halal has?. This non story you mention is now being debated and things will change. We have a choice of what we eat as Muslims & Jewish people have. Whats the difference?
Because how the animal is slaughtered in these instances is a moot point. Butchery is barbaric whether you look from a Western perspective or an Eastern one.
Kosher has never been marketed in this way because Jewish people would not use these outlets or stores. The only difference between Kosher and Halal is the mumbo jumbo uttered during the ritual. They are the same and are both informed by the Old Testament.
Mislabelling of food us a far wider issue than the method of slaughter. We are stuffing tons of mechanically recovered meat and fish products down our necks, eating slurry that is saturated in chemicals or composed entirely of chemicals and meat that could be any of a number of farm animals. Yet people focus on a religious ritual.
But it isn't racism...
The Muslim community in the UK is 4.8% and the rest non Muslim is 95% so how does that work then, why should 4.8% of the population control the 95% in what we eat & also using the status Halal also leaves companies free from paying vat & any taxes as its classed as charity.. very nice eh!
Moron.. When did selling Halal become charity?
a little research would stop you looking dumb ..... you moron !!!!!!
http://halalfoodauth


ority.com/
Good work Sherlock...NOT. Did you even read that website for yourself? The link you posted is about the organisation that approves halal meat. The organisation itself is a charity, not those who sell the meat.
Thats the point why should Muslims be able to undercut british slaughter houses by at least 20% due to paying no tax of any of the bills associated with said company. No one said it was a charity when sold retail to customers....
[quote][p][bold]TerrylovesCheri[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TerrylovesCheri[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: Racist hysteria, no more no less. The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.[/p][/quote]Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.[/p][/quote]The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election. There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual. This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.[/p][/quote]Why has Kosher never been marketed like this and Halal has?. This non story you mention is now being debated and things will change. We have a choice of what we eat as Muslims & Jewish people have. Whats the difference?[/p][/quote]Because how the animal is slaughtered in these instances is a moot point. Butchery is barbaric whether you look from a Western perspective or an Eastern one. Kosher has never been marketed in this way because Jewish people would not use these outlets or stores. The only difference between Kosher and Halal is the mumbo jumbo uttered during the ritual. They are the same and are both informed by the Old Testament. Mislabelling of food us a far wider issue than the method of slaughter. We are stuffing tons of mechanically recovered meat and fish products down our necks, eating slurry that is saturated in chemicals or composed entirely of chemicals and meat that could be any of a number of farm animals. Yet people focus on a religious ritual. But it isn't racism...[/p][/quote]The Muslim community in the UK is 4.8% and the rest non Muslim is 95% so how does that work then, why should 4.8% of the population control the 95% in what we eat & also using the status Halal also leaves companies free from paying vat & any taxes as its classed as charity.. very nice eh![/p][/quote]Moron.. When did selling Halal become charity?[/p][/quote]a little research would stop you looking dumb ..... you moron !!!!!! http://halalfoodauth ority.com/[/p][/quote]Good work Sherlock...NOT. Did you even read that website for yourself? The link you posted is about the organisation that approves halal meat. The organisation itself is a charity, not those who sell the meat.[/p][/quote]Thats the point why should Muslims be able to undercut british slaughter houses by at least 20% due to paying no tax of any of the bills associated with said company. No one said it was a charity when sold retail to customers.... thomas222
  • Score: -1

12:30pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway.
Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do.
Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican.
If you want a debate. Find a real issue.
If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels.
And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.
At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway. Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do. Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican. If you want a debate. Find a real issue. If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels. And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives. eatmytruth
  • Score: -60

12:35pm Fri 9 May 14

boltonnut says...

waterbottle wrote:
When u pi55 heads are going home after a night out where do u go before u go home halal takeaway who drives you there muslim taxi driver. Hypocrites
Hey Gunga din stop blowing your bugle.
[quote][p][bold]waterbottle[/bold] wrote: When u pi55 heads are going home after a night out where do u go before u go home halal takeaway who drives you there muslim taxi driver. Hypocrites[/p][/quote]Hey Gunga din stop blowing your bugle. boltonnut
  • Score: 7

12:36pm Fri 9 May 14

thomas222 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway.
Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do.
Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican.
If you want a debate. Find a real issue.
If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels.
And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.
The problem is because companies are giving people Halal by stealth & try and conceal it. Denmark have banned it totally & also France has stopped it being served to non Muslims in ten 10 towns. We will soon be.
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway. Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do. Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican. If you want a debate. Find a real issue. If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels. And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.[/p][/quote]The problem is because companies are giving people Halal by stealth & try and conceal it. Denmark have banned it totally & also France has stopped it being served to non Muslims in ten 10 towns. We will soon be. thomas222
  • Score: 9

1:03pm Fri 9 May 14

piszoff says...

Be banning pork next. Who lets this happen stop getting at muslin and eliminate the people that let this tiny few get away with it.
Be banning pork next. Who lets this happen stop getting at muslin and eliminate the people that let this tiny few get away with it. piszoff
  • Score: -5

1:10pm Fri 9 May 14

TerrylovesCheri says...

thomas222 wrote:
TerrylovesCheri wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
TerrylovesCheri wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Racist hysteria, no more no less.
The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.
Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.
The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election.
There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual.
This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.
Why has Kosher never been marketed like this and Halal has?. This non story you mention is now being debated and things will change. We have a choice of what we eat as Muslims & Jewish people have. Whats the difference?
Because how the animal is slaughtered in these instances is a moot point. Butchery is barbaric whether you look from a Western perspective or an Eastern one.
Kosher has never been marketed in this way because Jewish people would not use these outlets or stores. The only difference between Kosher and Halal is the mumbo jumbo uttered during the ritual. They are the same and are both informed by the Old Testament.
Mislabelling of food us a far wider issue than the method of slaughter. We are stuffing tons of mechanically recovered meat and fish products down our necks, eating slurry that is saturated in chemicals or composed entirely of chemicals and meat that could be any of a number of farm animals. Yet people focus on a religious ritual.
But it isn't racism...
The Muslim community in the UK is 4.8% and the rest non Muslim is 95% so how does that work then, why should 4.8% of the population control the 95% in what we eat & also using the status Halal also leaves companies free from paying vat & any taxes as its classed as charity.. very nice eh!
Moron.. When did selling Halal become charity?
a little research would stop you looking dumb ..... you moron !!!!!!
http://halalfoodauth



ority.com/
Good work Sherlock...NOT. Did you even read that website for yourself? The link you posted is about the organisation that approves halal meat. The organisation itself is a charity, not those who sell the meat.
Thats the point why should Muslims be able to undercut british slaughter houses by at least 20% due to paying no tax of any of the bills associated with said company. No one said it was a charity when sold retail to customers....
Again you are assuming things. I have bought halal meat when I had some Muslim friends round and it cost me more than the meat I buy locally. I'm told that's because its doesnt come from a fully automated slaughter house. The animal has to be manually slaughtered by a person, not machine and inspected by such charities to certify it halal and they too add a little mark up.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TerrylovesCheri[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TerrylovesCheri[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: Racist hysteria, no more no less. The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.[/p][/quote]Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.[/p][/quote]The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election. There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual. This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.[/p][/quote]Why has Kosher never been marketed like this and Halal has?. This non story you mention is now being debated and things will change. We have a choice of what we eat as Muslims & Jewish people have. Whats the difference?[/p][/quote]Because how the animal is slaughtered in these instances is a moot point. Butchery is barbaric whether you look from a Western perspective or an Eastern one. Kosher has never been marketed in this way because Jewish people would not use these outlets or stores. The only difference between Kosher and Halal is the mumbo jumbo uttered during the ritual. They are the same and are both informed by the Old Testament. Mislabelling of food us a far wider issue than the method of slaughter. We are stuffing tons of mechanically recovered meat and fish products down our necks, eating slurry that is saturated in chemicals or composed entirely of chemicals and meat that could be any of a number of farm animals. Yet people focus on a religious ritual. But it isn't racism...[/p][/quote]The Muslim community in the UK is 4.8% and the rest non Muslim is 95% so how does that work then, why should 4.8% of the population control the 95% in what we eat & also using the status Halal also leaves companies free from paying vat & any taxes as its classed as charity.. very nice eh![/p][/quote]Moron.. When did selling Halal become charity?[/p][/quote]a little research would stop you looking dumb ..... you moron !!!!!! http://halalfoodauth ority.com/[/p][/quote]Good work Sherlock...NOT. Did you even read that website for yourself? The link you posted is about the organisation that approves halal meat. The organisation itself is a charity, not those who sell the meat.[/p][/quote]Thats the point why should Muslims be able to undercut british slaughter houses by at least 20% due to paying no tax of any of the bills associated with said company. No one said it was a charity when sold retail to customers....[/p][/quote]Again you are assuming things. I have bought halal meat when I had some Muslim friends round and it cost me more than the meat I buy locally. I'm told that's because its doesnt come from a fully automated slaughter house. The animal has to be manually slaughtered by a person, not machine and inspected by such charities to certify it halal and they too add a little mark up. TerrylovesCheri
  • Score: 4

1:20pm Fri 9 May 14

thomas222 says...

TerrylovesCheri wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
TerrylovesCheri wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
TerrylovesCheri wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Racist hysteria, no more no less.
The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.
Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.
The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election.
There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual.
This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.
Why has Kosher never been marketed like this and Halal has?. This non story you mention is now being debated and things will change. We have a choice of what we eat as Muslims & Jewish people have. Whats the difference?
Because how the animal is slaughtered in these instances is a moot point. Butchery is barbaric whether you look from a Western perspective or an Eastern one.
Kosher has never been marketed in this way because Jewish people would not use these outlets or stores. The only difference between Kosher and Halal is the mumbo jumbo uttered during the ritual. They are the same and are both informed by the Old Testament.
Mislabelling of food us a far wider issue than the method of slaughter. We are stuffing tons of mechanically recovered meat and fish products down our necks, eating slurry that is saturated in chemicals or composed entirely of chemicals and meat that could be any of a number of farm animals. Yet people focus on a religious ritual.
But it isn't racism...
The Muslim community in the UK is 4.8% and the rest non Muslim is 95% so how does that work then, why should 4.8% of the population control the 95% in what we eat & also using the status Halal also leaves companies free from paying vat & any taxes as its classed as charity.. very nice eh!
Moron.. When did selling Halal become charity?
a little research would stop you looking dumb ..... you moron !!!!!!
http://halalfoodauth




ority.com/
Good work Sherlock...NOT. Did you even read that website for yourself? The link you posted is about the organisation that approves halal meat. The organisation itself is a charity, not those who sell the meat.
Thats the point why should Muslims be able to undercut british slaughter houses by at least 20% due to paying no tax of any of the bills associated with said company. No one said it was a charity when sold retail to customers....
Again you are assuming things. I have bought halal meat when I had some Muslim friends round and it cost me more than the meat I buy locally. I'm told that's because its doesnt come from a fully automated slaughter house. The animal has to be manually slaughtered by a person, not machine and inspected by such charities to certify it halal and they too add a little mark up.
I presume you bought from a retail outlet. The slaughter makes the extra money as i said earlier.. There is also a % given from every kill to Islamic causes we know nothing about. Why should my money be used to fund something i dont know anything about nor want to. British people by stealth financially supporting Islam is a disgrace and its gathering legs to stop it.
[quote][p][bold]TerrylovesCheri[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TerrylovesCheri[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TerrylovesCheri[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: Racist hysteria, no more no less. The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.[/p][/quote]Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.[/p][/quote]The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election. There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual. This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.[/p][/quote]Why has Kosher never been marketed like this and Halal has?. This non story you mention is now being debated and things will change. We have a choice of what we eat as Muslims & Jewish people have. Whats the difference?[/p][/quote]Because how the animal is slaughtered in these instances is a moot point. Butchery is barbaric whether you look from a Western perspective or an Eastern one. Kosher has never been marketed in this way because Jewish people would not use these outlets or stores. The only difference between Kosher and Halal is the mumbo jumbo uttered during the ritual. They are the same and are both informed by the Old Testament. Mislabelling of food us a far wider issue than the method of slaughter. We are stuffing tons of mechanically recovered meat and fish products down our necks, eating slurry that is saturated in chemicals or composed entirely of chemicals and meat that could be any of a number of farm animals. Yet people focus on a religious ritual. But it isn't racism...[/p][/quote]The Muslim community in the UK is 4.8% and the rest non Muslim is 95% so how does that work then, why should 4.8% of the population control the 95% in what we eat & also using the status Halal also leaves companies free from paying vat & any taxes as its classed as charity.. very nice eh![/p][/quote]Moron.. When did selling Halal become charity?[/p][/quote]a little research would stop you looking dumb ..... you moron !!!!!! http://halalfoodauth ority.com/[/p][/quote]Good work Sherlock...NOT. Did you even read that website for yourself? The link you posted is about the organisation that approves halal meat. The organisation itself is a charity, not those who sell the meat.[/p][/quote]Thats the point why should Muslims be able to undercut british slaughter houses by at least 20% due to paying no tax of any of the bills associated with said company. No one said it was a charity when sold retail to customers....[/p][/quote]Again you are assuming things. I have bought halal meat when I had some Muslim friends round and it cost me more than the meat I buy locally. I'm told that's because its doesnt come from a fully automated slaughter house. The animal has to be manually slaughtered by a person, not machine and inspected by such charities to certify it halal and they too add a little mark up.[/p][/quote]I presume you bought from a retail outlet. The slaughter makes the extra money as i said earlier.. There is also a % given from every kill to Islamic causes we know nothing about. Why should my money be used to fund something i dont know anything about nor want to. British people by stealth financially supporting Islam is a disgrace and its gathering legs to stop it. thomas222
  • Score: 1

1:23pm Fri 9 May 14

cliff4treasurer says...

"And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives"

Or kidnaping and murdering 300 schoolgirls etc etc etc

I think you will find it's your lot who deliberately target civilian on aeroplanes etc and schoolchildren or perhaps they are Christians and I am wrong?
"And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives" Or kidnaping and murdering 300 schoolgirls etc etc etc I think you will find it's your lot who deliberately target civilian on aeroplanes etc and schoolchildren or perhaps they are Christians and I am wrong? cliff4treasurer
  • Score: -65

1:37pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway.
Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do.
Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican.
If you want a debate. Find a real issue.
If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels.
And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.
The problem is because companies are giving people Halal by stealth & try and conceal it. Denmark have banned it totally & also France has stopped it being served to non Muslims in ten 10 towns. We will soon be.
So on that merit every place which doesn't sell halal should have a sign that says so too?
Can I ask what your objection is to eating halal? Not saying you shouldn't have one but I'd like to know where you're coming from with some of your previous comments.
Is it just that you don't know? If you knew what would be your objection to eating halal labelled food?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway. Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do. Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican. If you want a debate. Find a real issue. If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels. And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.[/p][/quote]The problem is because companies are giving people Halal by stealth & try and conceal it. Denmark have banned it totally & also France has stopped it being served to non Muslims in ten 10 towns. We will soon be.[/p][/quote]So on that merit every place which doesn't sell halal should have a sign that says so too? Can I ask what your objection is to eating halal? Not saying you shouldn't have one but I'd like to know where you're coming from with some of your previous comments. Is it just that you don't know? If you knew what would be your objection to eating halal labelled food? eatmytruth
  • Score: -27

1:42pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

cliff4treasurer wrote:
"And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives"

Or kidnaping and murdering 300 schoolgirls etc etc etc

I think you will find it's your lot who deliberately target civilian on aeroplanes etc and schoolchildren or perhaps they are Christians and I am wrong?
My lot? Which lot is this that you're accusing me of representing? 300 schoolgirls? I haven't commissioned any act like that nor supported nor funded it.
I haven't targeted any civillian in on any aeroplane. What do you take me for?
The people who do these barbaric acts don't do it with religious purpose. They have other interests such as money or politics or just plain sickness.
Don't associate me with them.
[quote][p][bold]cliff4treasurer[/bold] wrote: "And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives" Or kidnaping and murdering 300 schoolgirls etc etc etc I think you will find it's your lot who deliberately target civilian on aeroplanes etc and schoolchildren or perhaps they are Christians and I am wrong?[/p][/quote]My lot? Which lot is this that you're accusing me of representing? 300 schoolgirls? I haven't commissioned any act like that nor supported nor funded it. I haven't targeted any civillian in on any aeroplane. What do you take me for? The people who do these barbaric acts don't do it with religious purpose. They have other interests such as money or politics or just plain sickness. Don't associate me with them. eatmytruth
  • Score: 17

1:58pm Fri 9 May 14

Reed Lover says...

Jackael wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
LisaDW wrote:
Why this debate now???
The simple fact is that if you want to eat meat then animals have to die! Whichever way you look at it, the outcome is always the same. The Sun and The Mail are full of opinionated rubbish that feed ignorance and give people the excuse to target muslims and other religious/ cultural groups in a discriminatory way.
By the way I enjoyed my Halal chicken at Nando's Middlebrook yesterday!
Well said.
If an animal needs to be slaughtered for food why should religion play any part whatsoever, it should be done as quickly and painlessly as possible, those should be the only two factors involved.
If that's not good enough for some people well let them go and live somewhere else .
Racist.
[quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LisaDW[/bold] wrote: Why this debate now??? The simple fact is that if you want to eat meat then animals have to die! Whichever way you look at it, the outcome is always the same. The Sun and The Mail are full of opinionated rubbish that feed ignorance and give people the excuse to target muslims and other religious/ cultural groups in a discriminatory way. By the way I enjoyed my Halal chicken at Nando's Middlebrook yesterday![/p][/quote]Well said.[/p][/quote]If an animal needs to be slaughtered for food why should religion play any part whatsoever, it should be done as quickly and painlessly as possible, those should be the only two factors involved. If that's not good enough for some people well let them go and live somewhere else .[/p][/quote]Racist. Reed Lover
  • Score: -14

2:03pm Fri 9 May 14

Reed Lover says...

eatmytruth wrote:
At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway.
Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do.
Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican.
If you want a debate. Find a real issue.
If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels.
And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.
You are wasting your breath mate. They are not interested in the truth because there is no truth or logic to racism.
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway. Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do. Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican. If you want a debate. Find a real issue. If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels. And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.[/p][/quote]You are wasting your breath mate. They are not interested in the truth because there is no truth or logic to racism. Reed Lover
  • Score: 0

2:08pm Fri 9 May 14

thomas222 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway.
Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do.
Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican.
If you want a debate. Find a real issue.
If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels.
And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.
The problem is because companies are giving people Halal by stealth & try and conceal it. Denmark have banned it totally & also France has stopped it being served to non Muslims in ten 10 towns. We will soon be.
So on that merit every place which doesn't sell halal should have a sign that says so too?
Can I ask what your objection is to eating halal? Not saying you shouldn't have one but I'd like to know where you're coming from with some of your previous comments.
Is it just that you don't know? If you knew what would be your objection to eating halal labelled food?
I object to a £ % of all killed animals being given to Islamic causes of which if i buy Halal not knowing it is Halal because of Companies bringing it in by stealth. If i want to give to Charity i want it to be my decision and not Islams decision under secrecy.

All Animal welfare orgs have said Halal is cruel & the Animal does suffer greatly.

The Halal slaughter licence states that any Kosher/Halal food is only to be killed and supplied to peoples of those faiths & not the general public of 95% non Muslim & Kosher. This is being investigated at the moment also.

I stopped eating any Halal some time ago once i understood the above. I now make my own currys and own pizza etc. Kosher food and still is advertised in Jewish shops and they also dont eat pork however it has never encroached on the population all over the country. Halal or Allah if you mix the words up has, why because its another trojan horse attempt of which there are many to bring forward the the one aim agenda of Islam in this Country. Sharia law. If i did like to drink alcohol and was moving away i would never go to a dry country with no drink and complain i would rather go somewhere it was served legally. Why do Muslims not take that attitude.
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway. Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do. Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican. If you want a debate. Find a real issue. If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels. And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.[/p][/quote]The problem is because companies are giving people Halal by stealth & try and conceal it. Denmark have banned it totally & also France has stopped it being served to non Muslims in ten 10 towns. We will soon be.[/p][/quote]So on that merit every place which doesn't sell halal should have a sign that says so too? Can I ask what your objection is to eating halal? Not saying you shouldn't have one but I'd like to know where you're coming from with some of your previous comments. Is it just that you don't know? If you knew what would be your objection to eating halal labelled food?[/p][/quote]I object to a £ % of all killed animals being given to Islamic causes of which if i buy Halal not knowing it is Halal because of Companies bringing it in by stealth. If i want to give to Charity i want it to be my decision and not Islams decision under secrecy. All Animal welfare orgs have said Halal is cruel & the Animal does suffer greatly. The Halal slaughter licence states that any Kosher/Halal food is only to be killed and supplied to peoples of those faiths & not the general public of 95% non Muslim & Kosher. This is being investigated at the moment also. I stopped eating any Halal some time ago once i understood the above. I now make my own currys and own pizza etc. Kosher food and still is advertised in Jewish shops and they also dont eat pork however it has never encroached on the population all over the country. Halal or Allah if you mix the words up has, why because its another trojan horse attempt of which there are many to bring forward the the one aim agenda of Islam in this Country. Sharia law. If i did like to drink alcohol and was moving away i would never go to a dry country with no drink and complain i would rather go somewhere it was served legally. Why do Muslims not take that attitude. thomas222
  • Score: 7

2:16pm Fri 9 May 14

Reed Lover says...

eatmytruth wrote:
cliff4treasurer wrote:
"And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives"

Or kidnaping and murdering 300 schoolgirls etc etc etc

I think you will find it's your lot who deliberately target civilian on aeroplanes etc and schoolchildren or perhaps they are Christians and I am wrong?
My lot? Which lot is this that you're accusing me of representing? 300 schoolgirls? I haven't commissioned any act like that nor supported nor funded it.
I haven't targeted any civillian in on any aeroplane. What do you take me for?
The people who do these barbaric acts don't do it with religious purpose. They have other interests such as money or politics or just plain sickness.
Don't associate me with them.
Of course we are not allowed to mention the many thousands of innocent Muslims who were murdered by Bush and Blair's Christian Army when they carpet bombed Bagdad. Their crime was to be ruled by a tyrant that The West didn't like even though Saddam was an enemy of The Taliban and Al Qaeda. Bush actually declared that God had directed him in this unholy war.
By my reckoning Christianity has a 600 year head start on Islam. Anyone care to look up what atrocities the Catholic and Protestant Churches perpetrated against each other, Jews and Muslims? Millions of people put to death. Sharia Law? How about Galileo being incarcerated and sentenced to death for daring to say that the Earth revolved around the Sun. Witches burnt, hanged, tortured. Heretics beheaded, burnt, tortured, stoned to death.
If Islam is still doing this in 300 years time then we can have a discussion...

Two things we know about ignorant racists:

1. They are ignorant
2. They are racist.
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliff4treasurer[/bold] wrote: "And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives" Or kidnaping and murdering 300 schoolgirls etc etc etc I think you will find it's your lot who deliberately target civilian on aeroplanes etc and schoolchildren or perhaps they are Christians and I am wrong?[/p][/quote]My lot? Which lot is this that you're accusing me of representing? 300 schoolgirls? I haven't commissioned any act like that nor supported nor funded it. I haven't targeted any civillian in on any aeroplane. What do you take me for? The people who do these barbaric acts don't do it with religious purpose. They have other interests such as money or politics or just plain sickness. Don't associate me with them.[/p][/quote]Of course we are not allowed to mention the many thousands of innocent Muslims who were murdered by Bush and Blair's Christian Army when they carpet bombed Bagdad. Their crime was to be ruled by a tyrant that The West didn't like even though Saddam was an enemy of The Taliban and Al Qaeda. Bush actually declared that God had directed him in this unholy war. By my reckoning Christianity has a 600 year head start on Islam. Anyone care to look up what atrocities the Catholic and Protestant Churches perpetrated against each other, Jews and Muslims? Millions of people put to death. Sharia Law? How about Galileo being incarcerated and sentenced to death for daring to say that the Earth revolved around the Sun. Witches burnt, hanged, tortured. Heretics beheaded, burnt, tortured, stoned to death. If Islam is still doing this in 300 years time then we can have a discussion... Two things we know about ignorant racists: 1. They are ignorant 2. They are racist. Reed Lover
  • Score: 0

2:20pm Fri 9 May 14

Reed Lover says...

thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway.
Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do.
Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican.
If you want a debate. Find a real issue.
If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels.
And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.
The problem is because companies are giving people Halal by stealth & try and conceal it. Denmark have banned it totally & also France has stopped it being served to non Muslims in ten 10 towns. We will soon be.
So on that merit every place which doesn't sell halal should have a sign that says so too?
Can I ask what your objection is to eating halal? Not saying you shouldn't have one but I'd like to know where you're coming from with some of your previous comments.
Is it just that you don't know? If you knew what would be your objection to eating halal labelled food?
I object to a £ % of all killed animals being given to Islamic causes of which if i buy Halal not knowing it is Halal because of Companies bringing it in by stealth. If i want to give to Charity i want it to be my decision and not Islams decision under secrecy.

All Animal welfare orgs have said Halal is cruel & the Animal does suffer greatly.

The Halal slaughter licence states that any Kosher/Halal food is only to be killed and supplied to peoples of those faiths & not the general public of 95% non Muslim & Kosher. This is being investigated at the moment also.

I stopped eating any Halal some time ago once i understood the above. I now make my own currys and own pizza etc. Kosher food and still is advertised in Jewish shops and they also dont eat pork however it has never encroached on the population all over the country. Halal or Allah if you mix the words up has, why because its another trojan horse attempt of which there are many to bring forward the the one aim agenda of Islam in this Country. Sharia law. If i did like to drink alcohol and was moving away i would never go to a dry country with no drink and complain i would rather go somewhere it was served legally. Why do Muslims not take that attitude.
Grow up. Muslims worship the same God as Christians and Jews.
Their is no stealth introduction of Hilal or Sharia. Big businesses make decisions based on profits and nothing else.
You are an insecure, ignorant little racist who couldn't give a **** how his food is slaughtered.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway. Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do. Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican. If you want a debate. Find a real issue. If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels. And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.[/p][/quote]The problem is because companies are giving people Halal by stealth & try and conceal it. Denmark have banned it totally & also France has stopped it being served to non Muslims in ten 10 towns. We will soon be.[/p][/quote]So on that merit every place which doesn't sell halal should have a sign that says so too? Can I ask what your objection is to eating halal? Not saying you shouldn't have one but I'd like to know where you're coming from with some of your previous comments. Is it just that you don't know? If you knew what would be your objection to eating halal labelled food?[/p][/quote]I object to a £ % of all killed animals being given to Islamic causes of which if i buy Halal not knowing it is Halal because of Companies bringing it in by stealth. If i want to give to Charity i want it to be my decision and not Islams decision under secrecy. All Animal welfare orgs have said Halal is cruel & the Animal does suffer greatly. The Halal slaughter licence states that any Kosher/Halal food is only to be killed and supplied to peoples of those faiths & not the general public of 95% non Muslim & Kosher. This is being investigated at the moment also. I stopped eating any Halal some time ago once i understood the above. I now make my own currys and own pizza etc. Kosher food and still is advertised in Jewish shops and they also dont eat pork however it has never encroached on the population all over the country. Halal or Allah if you mix the words up has, why because its another trojan horse attempt of which there are many to bring forward the the one aim agenda of Islam in this Country. Sharia law. If i did like to drink alcohol and was moving away i would never go to a dry country with no drink and complain i would rather go somewhere it was served legally. Why do Muslims not take that attitude.[/p][/quote]Grow up. Muslims worship the same God as Christians and Jews. Their is no stealth introduction of Hilal or Sharia. Big businesses make decisions based on profits and nothing else. You are an insecure, ignorant little racist who couldn't give a **** how his food is slaughtered. Reed Lover
  • Score: -5

2:29pm Fri 9 May 14

thomas222 says...

Reed Lover wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
cliff4treasurer wrote:
"And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives"

Or kidnaping and murdering 300 schoolgirls etc etc etc

I think you will find it's your lot who deliberately target civilian on aeroplanes etc and schoolchildren or perhaps they are Christians and I am wrong?
My lot? Which lot is this that you're accusing me of representing? 300 schoolgirls? I haven't commissioned any act like that nor supported nor funded it.
I haven't targeted any civillian in on any aeroplane. What do you take me for?
The people who do these barbaric acts don't do it with religious purpose. They have other interests such as money or politics or just plain sickness.
Don't associate me with them.
Of course we are not allowed to mention the many thousands of innocent Muslims who were murdered by Bush and Blair's Christian Army when they carpet bombed Bagdad. Their crime was to be ruled by a tyrant that The West didn't like even though Saddam was an enemy of The Taliban and Al Qaeda. Bush actually declared that God had directed him in this unholy war.
By my reckoning Christianity has a 600 year head start on Islam. Anyone care to look up what atrocities the Catholic and Protestant Churches perpetrated against each other, Jews and Muslims? Millions of people put to death. Sharia Law? How about Galileo being incarcerated and sentenced to death for daring to say that the Earth revolved around the Sun. Witches burnt, hanged, tortured. Heretics beheaded, burnt, tortured, stoned to death.
If Islam is still doing this in 300 years time then we can have a discussion...

Two things we know about ignorant racists:

1. They are ignorant
2. They are racist.
Most people in this Country want Bush & Blair brought before the war crimes people as it was very wrong. Also there is no point going back 2000 yrs of history of who did what because its now 2000 yrs later and you cant change the past, Christians have moved on in the world and the Islamists have not and live in the past 1500 yrs ago. Name me one world changing invention that has benefited the entire world that has come out of any Islamic Country in the last 1500 yrs = 0. I can tell you hundreds from the west in the last thirty years.
[quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliff4treasurer[/bold] wrote: "And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives" Or kidnaping and murdering 300 schoolgirls etc etc etc I think you will find it's your lot who deliberately target civilian on aeroplanes etc and schoolchildren or perhaps they are Christians and I am wrong?[/p][/quote]My lot? Which lot is this that you're accusing me of representing? 300 schoolgirls? I haven't commissioned any act like that nor supported nor funded it. I haven't targeted any civillian in on any aeroplane. What do you take me for? The people who do these barbaric acts don't do it with religious purpose. They have other interests such as money or politics or just plain sickness. Don't associate me with them.[/p][/quote]Of course we are not allowed to mention the many thousands of innocent Muslims who were murdered by Bush and Blair's Christian Army when they carpet bombed Bagdad. Their crime was to be ruled by a tyrant that The West didn't like even though Saddam was an enemy of The Taliban and Al Qaeda. Bush actually declared that God had directed him in this unholy war. By my reckoning Christianity has a 600 year head start on Islam. Anyone care to look up what atrocities the Catholic and Protestant Churches perpetrated against each other, Jews and Muslims? Millions of people put to death. Sharia Law? How about Galileo being incarcerated and sentenced to death for daring to say that the Earth revolved around the Sun. Witches burnt, hanged, tortured. Heretics beheaded, burnt, tortured, stoned to death. If Islam is still doing this in 300 years time then we can have a discussion... Two things we know about ignorant racists: 1. They are ignorant 2. They are racist.[/p][/quote]Most people in this Country want Bush & Blair brought before the war crimes people as it was very wrong. Also there is no point going back 2000 yrs of history of who did what because its now 2000 yrs later and you cant change the past, Christians have moved on in the world and the Islamists have not and live in the past 1500 yrs ago. Name me one world changing invention that has benefited the entire world that has come out of any Islamic Country in the last 1500 yrs = 0. I can tell you hundreds from the west in the last thirty years. thomas222
  • Score: 8

2:31pm Fri 9 May 14

mr.mark.c says...

LisaDW wrote:
Why this debate now???
The simple fact is that if you want to eat meat then animals have to die! Whichever way you look at it, the outcome is always the same. The Sun and The Mail are full of opinionated rubbish that feed ignorance and give people the excuse to target muslims and other religious/ cultural groups in a discriminatory way.
By the way I enjoyed my Halal chicken at Nando's Middlebrook yesterday!
By that logic you are saying that meat is meat and it doesnt matter, in that case the muslims should shut up and eat non halal meat.
[quote][p][bold]LisaDW[/bold] wrote: Why this debate now??? The simple fact is that if you want to eat meat then animals have to die! Whichever way you look at it, the outcome is always the same. The Sun and The Mail are full of opinionated rubbish that feed ignorance and give people the excuse to target muslims and other religious/ cultural groups in a discriminatory way. By the way I enjoyed my Halal chicken at Nando's Middlebrook yesterday![/p][/quote]By that logic you are saying that meat is meat and it doesnt matter, in that case the muslims should shut up and eat non halal meat. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 12

2:32pm Fri 9 May 14

thomas222 says...

Reed Lover wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway.
Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do.
Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican.
If you want a debate. Find a real issue.
If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels.
And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.
The problem is because companies are giving people Halal by stealth & try and conceal it. Denmark have banned it totally & also France has stopped it being served to non Muslims in ten 10 towns. We will soon be.
So on that merit every place which doesn't sell halal should have a sign that says so too?
Can I ask what your objection is to eating halal? Not saying you shouldn't have one but I'd like to know where you're coming from with some of your previous comments.
Is it just that you don't know? If you knew what would be your objection to eating halal labelled food?
I object to a £ % of all killed animals being given to Islamic causes of which if i buy Halal not knowing it is Halal because of Companies bringing it in by stealth. If i want to give to Charity i want it to be my decision and not Islams decision under secrecy.

All Animal welfare orgs have said Halal is cruel & the Animal does suffer greatly.

The Halal slaughter licence states that any Kosher/Halal food is only to be killed and supplied to peoples of those faiths & not the general public of 95% non Muslim & Kosher. This is being investigated at the moment also.

I stopped eating any Halal some time ago once i understood the above. I now make my own currys and own pizza etc. Kosher food and still is advertised in Jewish shops and they also dont eat pork however it has never encroached on the population all over the country. Halal or Allah if you mix the words up has, why because its another trojan horse attempt of which there are many to bring forward the the one aim agenda of Islam in this Country. Sharia law. If i did like to drink alcohol and was moving away i would never go to a dry country with no drink and complain i would rather go somewhere it was served legally. Why do Muslims not take that attitude.
Grow up. Muslims worship the same God as Christians and Jews.
Their is no stealth introduction of Hilal or Sharia. Big businesses make decisions based on profits and nothing else.
You are an insecure, ignorant little racist who couldn't give a **** how his food is slaughtered.
Thats the one if in doubt cry racist usually stops any serious debate but not now its old hat and on its way out and you know it.
[quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway. Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do. Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican. If you want a debate. Find a real issue. If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels. And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.[/p][/quote]The problem is because companies are giving people Halal by stealth & try and conceal it. Denmark have banned it totally & also France has stopped it being served to non Muslims in ten 10 towns. We will soon be.[/p][/quote]So on that merit every place which doesn't sell halal should have a sign that says so too? Can I ask what your objection is to eating halal? Not saying you shouldn't have one but I'd like to know where you're coming from with some of your previous comments. Is it just that you don't know? If you knew what would be your objection to eating halal labelled food?[/p][/quote]I object to a £ % of all killed animals being given to Islamic causes of which if i buy Halal not knowing it is Halal because of Companies bringing it in by stealth. If i want to give to Charity i want it to be my decision and not Islams decision under secrecy. All Animal welfare orgs have said Halal is cruel & the Animal does suffer greatly. The Halal slaughter licence states that any Kosher/Halal food is only to be killed and supplied to peoples of those faiths & not the general public of 95% non Muslim & Kosher. This is being investigated at the moment also. I stopped eating any Halal some time ago once i understood the above. I now make my own currys and own pizza etc. Kosher food and still is advertised in Jewish shops and they also dont eat pork however it has never encroached on the population all over the country. Halal or Allah if you mix the words up has, why because its another trojan horse attempt of which there are many to bring forward the the one aim agenda of Islam in this Country. Sharia law. If i did like to drink alcohol and was moving away i would never go to a dry country with no drink and complain i would rather go somewhere it was served legally. Why do Muslims not take that attitude.[/p][/quote]Grow up. Muslims worship the same God as Christians and Jews. Their is no stealth introduction of Hilal or Sharia. Big businesses make decisions based on profits and nothing else. You are an insecure, ignorant little racist who couldn't give a **** how his food is slaughtered.[/p][/quote]Thats the one if in doubt cry racist usually stops any serious debate but not now its old hat and on its way out and you know it. thomas222
  • Score: 6

2:49pm Fri 9 May 14

Rawenergy says...

lv8151 wrote:
TerrylovesCheri wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Racist hysteria, no more no less.
The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.
Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.
The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election.
There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual.
This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.
Why has Kosher never been marketed like this and Halal has?. This non story you mention is now being debated and things will change. We have a choice of what we eat as Muslims & Jewish people have. Whats the difference?
Because how the animal is slaughtered in these instances is a moot point. Butchery is barbaric whether you look from a Western perspective or an Eastern one.
Kosher has never been marketed in this way because Jewish people would not use these outlets or stores. The only difference between Kosher and Halal is the mumbo jumbo uttered during the ritual. They are the same and are both informed by the Old Testament.
Mislabelling of food us a far wider issue than the method of slaughter. We are stuffing tons of mechanically recovered meat and fish products down our necks, eating slurry that is saturated in chemicals or composed entirely of chemicals and meat that could be any of a number of farm animals. Yet people focus on a religious ritual.
But it isn't racism...
The Muslim community in the UK is 4.8% and the rest non Muslim is 95% so how does that work then, why should 4.8% of the population control the 95% in what we eat & also using the status Halal also leaves companies free from paying vat & any taxes as its classed as charity.. very nice eh!
Moron.. When did selling Halal become charity?
a little research would stop you looking dumb ..... you moron !!!!!!
http://halalfoodauth

ority.com/
Following the link, it says no where under the DEFINITION OF HALAL that animals are stunned. It does say a sharp razor blade bigger than the neck of the animal is swiped only once and cut through the neck. How is this humane?
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TerrylovesCheri[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: Racist hysteria, no more no less. The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.[/p][/quote]Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.[/p][/quote]The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election. There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual. This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.[/p][/quote]Why has Kosher never been marketed like this and Halal has?. This non story you mention is now being debated and things will change. We have a choice of what we eat as Muslims & Jewish people have. Whats the difference?[/p][/quote]Because how the animal is slaughtered in these instances is a moot point. Butchery is barbaric whether you look from a Western perspective or an Eastern one. Kosher has never been marketed in this way because Jewish people would not use these outlets or stores. The only difference between Kosher and Halal is the mumbo jumbo uttered during the ritual. They are the same and are both informed by the Old Testament. Mislabelling of food us a far wider issue than the method of slaughter. We are stuffing tons of mechanically recovered meat and fish products down our necks, eating slurry that is saturated in chemicals or composed entirely of chemicals and meat that could be any of a number of farm animals. Yet people focus on a religious ritual. But it isn't racism...[/p][/quote]The Muslim community in the UK is 4.8% and the rest non Muslim is 95% so how does that work then, why should 4.8% of the population control the 95% in what we eat & also using the status Halal also leaves companies free from paying vat & any taxes as its classed as charity.. very nice eh![/p][/quote]Moron.. When did selling Halal become charity?[/p][/quote]a little research would stop you looking dumb ..... you moron !!!!!! http://halalfoodauth ority.com/[/p][/quote]Following the link, it says no where under the DEFINITION OF HALAL that animals are stunned. It does say a sharp razor blade bigger than the neck of the animal is swiped only once and cut through the neck. How is this humane? Rawenergy
  • Score: 6

3:18pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway.
Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do.
Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican.
If you want a debate. Find a real issue.
If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels.
And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.
The problem is because companies are giving people Halal by stealth & try and conceal it. Denmark have banned it totally & also France has stopped it being served to non Muslims in ten 10 towns. We will soon be.
So on that merit every place which doesn't sell halal should have a sign that says so too?
Can I ask what your objection is to eating halal? Not saying you shouldn't have one but I'd like to know where you're coming from with some of your previous comments.
Is it just that you don't know? If you knew what would be your objection to eating halal labelled food?
I object to a £ % of all killed animals being given to Islamic causes of which if i buy Halal not knowing it is Halal because of Companies bringing it in by stealth. If i want to give to Charity i want it to be my decision and not Islams decision under secrecy.

All Animal welfare orgs have said Halal is cruel & the Animal does suffer greatly.

The Halal slaughter licence states that any Kosher/Halal food is only to be killed and supplied to peoples of those faiths & not the general public of 95% non Muslim & Kosher. This is being investigated at the moment also.

I stopped eating any Halal some time ago once i understood the above. I now make my own currys and own pizza etc. Kosher food and still is advertised in Jewish shops and they also dont eat pork however it has never encroached on the population all over the country. Halal or Allah if you mix the words up has, why because its another trojan horse attempt of which there are many to bring forward the the one aim agenda of Islam in this Country. Sharia law. If i did like to drink alcohol and was moving away i would never go to a dry country with no drink and complain i would rather go somewhere it was served legally. Why do Muslims not take that attitude.
Which Islamic causes are these? What is the % that is given? Back it up with facts please. Don't make baseless points in an argument.

As I said before, if you don't want to eat halal. Eat somewhere else. If you don't like pizza express for selling halal, go to dominos or pizza hut. You have a choice. And you have a voice to ask a restaurant if they serve halal. If they say yes then leave and go elsewhere. Nobody cares about you doing that.
Muslims slaughter animals the halal way for muslims to eat. If pizza express don't want to buy separate halal and separate 'normal' meat and put the effort in to manage it that way. That's their decision. Not yours. Not anybody else's. If they value Muslim customers over customers who don't want halal for whatever reason. That's their decision .
As I said before muslims don't campaign for corporations to serve halal. They do it out of choice.
And halal meat is served here legally. The daily mail doesn't make the law, the government does.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway. Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do. Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican. If you want a debate. Find a real issue. If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels. And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.[/p][/quote]The problem is because companies are giving people Halal by stealth & try and conceal it. Denmark have banned it totally & also France has stopped it being served to non Muslims in ten 10 towns. We will soon be.[/p][/quote]So on that merit every place which doesn't sell halal should have a sign that says so too? Can I ask what your objection is to eating halal? Not saying you shouldn't have one but I'd like to know where you're coming from with some of your previous comments. Is it just that you don't know? If you knew what would be your objection to eating halal labelled food?[/p][/quote]I object to a £ % of all killed animals being given to Islamic causes of which if i buy Halal not knowing it is Halal because of Companies bringing it in by stealth. If i want to give to Charity i want it to be my decision and not Islams decision under secrecy. All Animal welfare orgs have said Halal is cruel & the Animal does suffer greatly. The Halal slaughter licence states that any Kosher/Halal food is only to be killed and supplied to peoples of those faiths & not the general public of 95% non Muslim & Kosher. This is being investigated at the moment also. I stopped eating any Halal some time ago once i understood the above. I now make my own currys and own pizza etc. Kosher food and still is advertised in Jewish shops and they also dont eat pork however it has never encroached on the population all over the country. Halal or Allah if you mix the words up has, why because its another trojan horse attempt of which there are many to bring forward the the one aim agenda of Islam in this Country. Sharia law. If i did like to drink alcohol and was moving away i would never go to a dry country with no drink and complain i would rather go somewhere it was served legally. Why do Muslims not take that attitude.[/p][/quote]Which Islamic causes are these? What is the % that is given? Back it up with facts please. Don't make baseless points in an argument. As I said before, if you don't want to eat halal. Eat somewhere else. If you don't like pizza express for selling halal, go to dominos or pizza hut. You have a choice. And you have a voice to ask a restaurant if they serve halal. If they say yes then leave and go elsewhere. Nobody cares about you doing that. Muslims slaughter animals the halal way for muslims to eat. If pizza express don't want to buy separate halal and separate 'normal' meat and put the effort in to manage it that way. That's their decision. Not yours. Not anybody else's. If they value Muslim customers over customers who don't want halal for whatever reason. That's their decision . As I said before muslims don't campaign for corporations to serve halal. They do it out of choice. And halal meat is served here legally. The daily mail doesn't make the law, the government does. eatmytruth
  • Score: -43

3:27pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

Reed Lover wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway.
Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do.
Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican.
If you want a debate. Find a real issue.
If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels.
And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.
You are wasting your breath mate. They are not interested in the truth because there is no truth or logic to racism.
There a point in addressing these comments though because other neutral minds might read his side of the story and adopt it without seeing the full picture. But yes apart from that I know he isn't worth it.
[quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway. Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do. Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican. If you want a debate. Find a real issue. If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels. And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.[/p][/quote]You are wasting your breath mate. They are not interested in the truth because there is no truth or logic to racism.[/p][/quote]There a point in addressing these comments though because other neutral minds might read his side of the story and adopt it without seeing the full picture. But yes apart from that I know he isn't worth it. eatmytruth
  • Score: -2

3:36pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

Rawenergy wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
TerrylovesCheri wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Racist hysteria, no more no less.
The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.
Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.
The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election.
There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual.
This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.
Why has Kosher never been marketed like this and Halal has?. This non story you mention is now being debated and things will change. We have a choice of what we eat as Muslims & Jewish people have. Whats the difference?
Because how the animal is slaughtered in these instances is a moot point. Butchery is barbaric whether you look from a Western perspective or an Eastern one.
Kosher has never been marketed in this way because Jewish people would not use these outlets or stores. The only difference between Kosher and Halal is the mumbo jumbo uttered during the ritual. They are the same and are both informed by the Old Testament.
Mislabelling of food us a far wider issue than the method of slaughter. We are stuffing tons of mechanically recovered meat and fish products down our necks, eating slurry that is saturated in chemicals or composed entirely of chemicals and meat that could be any of a number of farm animals. Yet people focus on a religious ritual.
But it isn't racism...
The Muslim community in the UK is 4.8% and the rest non Muslim is 95% so how does that work then, why should 4.8% of the population control the 95% in what we eat & also using the status Halal also leaves companies free from paying vat & any taxes as its classed as charity.. very nice eh!
Moron.. When did selling Halal become charity?
a little research would stop you looking dumb ..... you moron !!!!!!
http://halalfoodauth


ority.com/
Following the link, it says no where under the DEFINITION OF HALAL that animals are stunned. It does say a sharp razor blade bigger than the neck of the animal is swiped only once and cut through the neck. How is this humane?
It is humane because the knife should be so sharp that by slicing through the vital tubes for survival, the animal doesn't feel a thing. Try it yourself. Take a very sharp knife. Sharpen it some more and slice yourself. You won't feel I for a while.
The other rule is you should do it from behind the animal so they don't know. And before they have time to realise they have been sliced through the neck, they are already dead.
The other rule is they should not be slaughtered in the view of other same species because they will then know they are about to be slaughtered.

Now let's take a look at the Western way. Hang animals upside down by their feet. (Inducing panic and confusion) dunk their heads in an electrified water bath (destroying their brain) to me this itself is inhumane and cruel to the animal. On top of this, the battery farms are inhumane where they force an animal to live in crowded spaces. Eat and **** in the same place. Most are ill and diseased. If anything is inhumane, it's that.
It seems like humane/inhumane is a subjective debate. It's down to the opinion of what individuals see as humane. I see nothing inhumane in halal slaughter. I see battery farming and electro blasting animals heads after hanging them upside down and then disrespectfully letting a machine shop off their heads as inhumane.
[quote][p][bold]Rawenergy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TerrylovesCheri[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: Racist hysteria, no more no less. The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.[/p][/quote]Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.[/p][/quote]The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election. There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual. This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.[/p][/quote]Why has Kosher never been marketed like this and Halal has?. This non story you mention is now being debated and things will change. We have a choice of what we eat as Muslims & Jewish people have. Whats the difference?[/p][/quote]Because how the animal is slaughtered in these instances is a moot point. Butchery is barbaric whether you look from a Western perspective or an Eastern one. Kosher has never been marketed in this way because Jewish people would not use these outlets or stores. The only difference between Kosher and Halal is the mumbo jumbo uttered during the ritual. They are the same and are both informed by the Old Testament. Mislabelling of food us a far wider issue than the method of slaughter. We are stuffing tons of mechanically recovered meat and fish products down our necks, eating slurry that is saturated in chemicals or composed entirely of chemicals and meat that could be any of a number of farm animals. Yet people focus on a religious ritual. But it isn't racism...[/p][/quote]The Muslim community in the UK is 4.8% and the rest non Muslim is 95% so how does that work then, why should 4.8% of the population control the 95% in what we eat & also using the status Halal also leaves companies free from paying vat & any taxes as its classed as charity.. very nice eh![/p][/quote]Moron.. When did selling Halal become charity?[/p][/quote]a little research would stop you looking dumb ..... you moron !!!!!! http://halalfoodauth ority.com/[/p][/quote]Following the link, it says no where under the DEFINITION OF HALAL that animals are stunned. It does say a sharp razor blade bigger than the neck of the animal is swiped only once and cut through the neck. How is this humane?[/p][/quote]It is humane because the knife should be so sharp that by slicing through the vital tubes for survival, the animal doesn't feel a thing. Try it yourself. Take a very sharp knife. Sharpen it some more and slice yourself. You won't feel I for a while. The other rule is you should do it from behind the animal so they don't know. And before they have time to realise they have been sliced through the neck, they are already dead. The other rule is they should not be slaughtered in the view of other same species because they will then know they are about to be slaughtered. Now let's take a look at the Western way. Hang animals upside down by their feet. (Inducing panic and confusion) dunk their heads in an electrified water bath (destroying their brain) to me this itself is inhumane and cruel to the animal. On top of this, the battery farms are inhumane where they force an animal to live in crowded spaces. Eat and **** in the same place. Most are ill and diseased. If anything is inhumane, it's that. It seems like humane/inhumane is a subjective debate. It's down to the opinion of what individuals see as humane. I see nothing inhumane in halal slaughter. I see battery farming and electro blasting animals heads after hanging them upside down and then disrespectfully letting a machine shop off their heads as inhumane. eatmytruth
  • Score: -36

3:55pm Fri 9 May 14

lv8151 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
Rawenergy wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
TerrylovesCheri wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Racist hysteria, no more no less.
The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.
Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.
The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election.
There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual.
This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.
Why has Kosher never been marketed like this and Halal has?. This non story you mention is now being debated and things will change. We have a choice of what we eat as Muslims & Jewish people have. Whats the difference?
Because how the animal is slaughtered in these instances is a moot point. Butchery is barbaric whether you look from a Western perspective or an Eastern one.
Kosher has never been marketed in this way because Jewish people would not use these outlets or stores. The only difference between Kosher and Halal is the mumbo jumbo uttered during the ritual. They are the same and are both informed by the Old Testament.
Mislabelling of food us a far wider issue than the method of slaughter. We are stuffing tons of mechanically recovered meat and fish products down our necks, eating slurry that is saturated in chemicals or composed entirely of chemicals and meat that could be any of a number of farm animals. Yet people focus on a religious ritual.
But it isn't racism...
The Muslim community in the UK is 4.8% and the rest non Muslim is 95% so how does that work then, why should 4.8% of the population control the 95% in what we eat & also using the status Halal also leaves companies free from paying vat & any taxes as its classed as charity.. very nice eh!
Moron.. When did selling Halal become charity?
a little research would stop you looking dumb ..... you moron !!!!!!
http://halalfoodauth



ority.com/
Following the link, it says no where under the DEFINITION OF HALAL that animals are stunned. It does say a sharp razor blade bigger than the neck of the animal is swiped only once and cut through the neck. How is this humane?
It is humane because the knife should be so sharp that by slicing through the vital tubes for survival, the animal doesn't feel a thing. Try it yourself. Take a very sharp knife. Sharpen it some more and slice yourself. You won't feel I for a while.
The other rule is you should do it from behind the animal so they don't know. And before they have time to realise they have been sliced through the neck, they are already dead.
The other rule is they should not be slaughtered in the view of other same species because they will then know they are about to be slaughtered.

Now let's take a look at the Western way. Hang animals upside down by their feet. (Inducing panic and confusion) dunk their heads in an electrified water bath (destroying their brain) to me this itself is inhumane and cruel to the animal. On top of this, the battery farms are inhumane where they force an animal to live in crowded spaces. Eat and **** in the same place. Most are ill and diseased. If anything is inhumane, it's that.
It seems like humane/inhumane is a subjective debate. It's down to the opinion of what individuals see as humane. I see nothing inhumane in halal slaughter. I see battery farming and electro blasting animals heads after hanging them upside down and then disrespectfully letting a machine shop off their heads as inhumane.
what about battery farmed halal meat ..... or are you trying to tell us that all halal is free range ?
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rawenergy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TerrylovesCheri[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: Racist hysteria, no more no less. The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.[/p][/quote]Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.[/p][/quote]The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election. There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual. This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.[/p][/quote]Why has Kosher never been marketed like this and Halal has?. This non story you mention is now being debated and things will change. We have a choice of what we eat as Muslims & Jewish people have. Whats the difference?[/p][/quote]Because how the animal is slaughtered in these instances is a moot point. Butchery is barbaric whether you look from a Western perspective or an Eastern one. Kosher has never been marketed in this way because Jewish people would not use these outlets or stores. The only difference between Kosher and Halal is the mumbo jumbo uttered during the ritual. They are the same and are both informed by the Old Testament. Mislabelling of food us a far wider issue than the method of slaughter. We are stuffing tons of mechanically recovered meat and fish products down our necks, eating slurry that is saturated in chemicals or composed entirely of chemicals and meat that could be any of a number of farm animals. Yet people focus on a religious ritual. But it isn't racism...[/p][/quote]The Muslim community in the UK is 4.8% and the rest non Muslim is 95% so how does that work then, why should 4.8% of the population control the 95% in what we eat & also using the status Halal also leaves companies free from paying vat & any taxes as its classed as charity.. very nice eh![/p][/quote]Moron.. When did selling Halal become charity?[/p][/quote]a little research would stop you looking dumb ..... you moron !!!!!! http://halalfoodauth ority.com/[/p][/quote]Following the link, it says no where under the DEFINITION OF HALAL that animals are stunned. It does say a sharp razor blade bigger than the neck of the animal is swiped only once and cut through the neck. How is this humane?[/p][/quote]It is humane because the knife should be so sharp that by slicing through the vital tubes for survival, the animal doesn't feel a thing. Try it yourself. Take a very sharp knife. Sharpen it some more and slice yourself. You won't feel I for a while. The other rule is you should do it from behind the animal so they don't know. And before they have time to realise they have been sliced through the neck, they are already dead. The other rule is they should not be slaughtered in the view of other same species because they will then know they are about to be slaughtered. Now let's take a look at the Western way. Hang animals upside down by their feet. (Inducing panic and confusion) dunk their heads in an electrified water bath (destroying their brain) to me this itself is inhumane and cruel to the animal. On top of this, the battery farms are inhumane where they force an animal to live in crowded spaces. Eat and **** in the same place. Most are ill and diseased. If anything is inhumane, it's that. It seems like humane/inhumane is a subjective debate. It's down to the opinion of what individuals see as humane. I see nothing inhumane in halal slaughter. I see battery farming and electro blasting animals heads after hanging them upside down and then disrespectfully letting a machine shop off their heads as inhumane.[/p][/quote]what about battery farmed halal meat ..... or are you trying to tell us that all halal is free range ? lv8151
  • Score: -1

4:04pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

I don't agree with battery halal farming. The same way I don't agree with stunned halal. That's my opinion. As an individual. See the thing is with you and Thomas222 is that you're so closed minded and think everything is the same for everybody. I'd say I'm a more conservative Muslim. I try to follow the rules of Islam more strictly than most. But some of you are too ignorant to know what that entails.
I don't agree with battery halal farming. The same way I don't agree with stunned halal. That's my opinion. As an individual. See the thing is with you and Thomas222 is that you're so closed minded and think everything is the same for everybody. I'd say I'm a more conservative Muslim. I try to follow the rules of Islam more strictly than most. But some of you are too ignorant to know what that entails. eatmytruth
  • Score: -2

4:12pm Fri 9 May 14

lv8151 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
I don't agree with battery halal farming. The same way I don't agree with stunned halal. That's my opinion. As an individual. See the thing is with you and Thomas222 is that you're so closed minded and think everything is the same for everybody. I'd say I'm a more conservative Muslim. I try to follow the rules of Islam more strictly than most. But some of you are too ignorant to know what that entails.
halal meat has to of had a good life before killing !!!!!! how can battery farmed chickens be halal but majority of meat eating muslims still eat it ?.... please explain my closed mind cannot work this 1 out
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: I don't agree with battery halal farming. The same way I don't agree with stunned halal. That's my opinion. As an individual. See the thing is with you and Thomas222 is that you're so closed minded and think everything is the same for everybody. I'd say I'm a more conservative Muslim. I try to follow the rules of Islam more strictly than most. But some of you are too ignorant to know what that entails.[/p][/quote]halal meat has to of had a good life before killing !!!!!! how can battery farmed chickens be halal but majority of meat eating muslims still eat it ?.... please explain my closed mind cannot work this 1 out lv8151
  • Score: -4

4:27pm Fri 9 May 14

shireen says...

I agree. Stunning causes more pain to the animal. Non stunning dosent because its over with in an instant. Example: If a policeman tasers a person then the person will be in pain and stuggle for some time. Same way stunning will cause more and more pain to an animal. I dont eat any poultry slaughtered by halal food authority(HFA) because they approve of mechanical slaughter. The only genuine approved slaughter method in england is by a company that goes by the name of halal monitoring committee(HMC). Since the introduction some years ago more and more muslims are coming onto this brand. This firm uses the the only and humane method of slaughter. This company have released a yellow sticker for the butchers and takeaway/restuarants who have enrolled their business onto this method. Its on the shop window in most places in bolton. For the people who dont want to eat halal,there is no one forcing you. You have the freedom to go elsewhere. Its your money its your choice.
I agree. Stunning causes more pain to the animal. Non stunning dosent because its over with in an instant. Example: If a policeman tasers a person then the person will be in pain and stuggle for some time. Same way stunning will cause more and more pain to an animal. I dont eat any poultry slaughtered by halal food authority(HFA) because they approve of mechanical slaughter. The only genuine approved slaughter method in england is by a company that goes by the name of halal monitoring committee(HMC). Since the introduction some years ago more and more muslims are coming onto this brand. This firm uses the the only and humane method of slaughter. This company have released a yellow sticker for the butchers and takeaway/restuarants who have enrolled their business onto this method. Its on the shop window in most places in bolton. For the people who dont want to eat halal,there is no one forcing you. You have the freedom to go elsewhere. Its your money its your choice. shireen
  • Score: 3

4:28pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

And where did you get the information that majority of muslims willingly eat battery farmed chickens? Is this a fact? Or did you make it up?
I wouldn't knowingly agree to eat battery farmed animals. I think it is animal cruelty. Most of the time it isnt easy to verify if this is the case or not.
And I say you have a closed mind because you still don't understand that the way other people do things isn't necessarily the way I'd do them. And yet you still pose a question to me which isn't relevant to my action. It's like me saying to you why do Christians eat pork when the bible says swine is unclean for you. But you're probably not Christian and you probably don't think pork's unclean.
And where did you get the information that majority of muslims willingly eat battery farmed chickens? Is this a fact? Or did you make it up? I wouldn't knowingly agree to eat battery farmed animals. I think it is animal cruelty. Most of the time it isnt easy to verify if this is the case or not. And I say you have a closed mind because you still don't understand that the way other people do things isn't necessarily the way I'd do them. And yet you still pose a question to me which isn't relevant to my action. It's like me saying to you why do Christians eat pork when the bible says swine is unclean for you. But you're probably not Christian and you probably don't think pork's unclean. eatmytruth
  • Score: -2

4:35pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

shireen wrote:
I agree. Stunning causes more pain to the animal. Non stunning dosent because its over with in an instant. Example: If a policeman tasers a person then the person will be in pain and stuggle for some time. Same way stunning will cause more and more pain to an animal. I dont eat any poultry slaughtered by halal food authority(HFA) because they approve of mechanical slaughter. The only genuine approved slaughter method in england is by a company that goes by the name of halal monitoring committee(HMC). Since the introduction some years ago more and more muslims are coming onto this brand. This firm uses the the only and humane method of slaughter. This company have released a yellow sticker for the butchers and takeaway/restuarants who have enrolled their business onto this method. Its on the shop window in most places in bolton. For the people who dont want to eat halal,there is no one forcing you. You have the freedom to go elsewhere. Its your money its your choice.
Their argument now is that places sell halal and not tell customers. But they don't realise that restaurants who don't sell halal don't tell us that either. We ask when we go if the food is halal. And they tell us yes or no. Then we decide what to eat.
Why can't these people do the same? Most of them don't really care what they eat. They'd eat **** if it had a tescore shrink wrap on it. They're just jumping on the daily mail train of hate and anti Islamic propaganda.
[quote][p][bold]shireen[/bold] wrote: I agree. Stunning causes more pain to the animal. Non stunning dosent because its over with in an instant. Example: If a policeman tasers a person then the person will be in pain and stuggle for some time. Same way stunning will cause more and more pain to an animal. I dont eat any poultry slaughtered by halal food authority(HFA) because they approve of mechanical slaughter. The only genuine approved slaughter method in england is by a company that goes by the name of halal monitoring committee(HMC). Since the introduction some years ago more and more muslims are coming onto this brand. This firm uses the the only and humane method of slaughter. This company have released a yellow sticker for the butchers and takeaway/restuarants who have enrolled their business onto this method. Its on the shop window in most places in bolton. For the people who dont want to eat halal,there is no one forcing you. You have the freedom to go elsewhere. Its your money its your choice.[/p][/quote]Their argument now is that places sell halal and not tell customers. But they don't realise that restaurants who don't sell halal don't tell us that either. We ask when we go if the food is halal. And they tell us yes or no. Then we decide what to eat. Why can't these people do the same? Most of them don't really care what they eat. They'd eat **** if it had a tescore shrink wrap on it. They're just jumping on the daily mail train of hate and anti Islamic propaganda. eatmytruth
  • Score: -10

4:40pm Fri 9 May 14

thomas222 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway.
Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do.
Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican.
If you want a debate. Find a real issue.
If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels.
And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.
The problem is because companies are giving people Halal by stealth & try and conceal it. Denmark have banned it totally & also France has stopped it being served to non Muslims in ten 10 towns. We will soon be.
So on that merit every place which doesn't sell halal should have a sign that says so too?
Can I ask what your objection is to eating halal? Not saying you shouldn't have one but I'd like to know where you're coming from with some of your previous comments.
Is it just that you don't know? If you knew what would be your objection to eating halal labelled food?
I object to a £ % of all killed animals being given to Islamic causes of which if i buy Halal not knowing it is Halal because of Companies bringing it in by stealth. If i want to give to Charity i want it to be my decision and not Islams decision under secrecy.

All Animal welfare orgs have said Halal is cruel & the Animal does suffer greatly.

The Halal slaughter licence states that any Kosher/Halal food is only to be killed and supplied to peoples of those faiths & not the general public of 95% non Muslim & Kosher. This is being investigated at the moment also.

I stopped eating any Halal some time ago once i understood the above. I now make my own currys and own pizza etc. Kosher food and still is advertised in Jewish shops and they also dont eat pork however it has never encroached on the population all over the country. Halal or Allah if you mix the words up has, why because its another trojan horse attempt of which there are many to bring forward the the one aim agenda of Islam in this Country. Sharia law. If i did like to drink alcohol and was moving away i would never go to a dry country with no drink and complain i would rather go somewhere it was served legally. Why do Muslims not take that attitude.
Which Islamic causes are these? What is the % that is given? Back it up with facts please. Don't make baseless points in an argument.

As I said before, if you don't want to eat halal. Eat somewhere else. If you don't like pizza express for selling halal, go to dominos or pizza hut. You have a choice. And you have a voice to ask a restaurant if they serve halal. If they say yes then leave and go elsewhere. Nobody cares about you doing that.
Muslims slaughter animals the halal way for muslims to eat. If pizza express don't want to buy separate halal and separate 'normal' meat and put the effort in to manage it that way. That's their decision. Not yours. Not anybody else's. If they value Muslim customers over customers who don't want halal for whatever reason. That's their decision .
As I said before muslims don't campaign for corporations to serve halal. They do it out of choice.
And halal meat is served here legally. The daily mail doesn't make the law, the government does.
Zakat/Halal tax as it is called is moneys collected from all Halal certification groups, the amount is usually 2.5% and it funds the Islamic Society of Britain in the USA its the Islamic Society of north America & in France the Muslim Brotherhood controls a estimated 60% of halal food to fund its actions Being a Charity a freedom of Information cannot be made.If you want Halal then choose a place where it is.. 5% of the population dominating 95% of they type of food the people eat is a scandal. Super markets like our leaders are out of touch with what the 95% want. Watch them change now its out properly....
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway. Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do. Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican. If you want a debate. Find a real issue. If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels. And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.[/p][/quote]The problem is because companies are giving people Halal by stealth & try and conceal it. Denmark have banned it totally & also France has stopped it being served to non Muslims in ten 10 towns. We will soon be.[/p][/quote]So on that merit every place which doesn't sell halal should have a sign that says so too? Can I ask what your objection is to eating halal? Not saying you shouldn't have one but I'd like to know where you're coming from with some of your previous comments. Is it just that you don't know? If you knew what would be your objection to eating halal labelled food?[/p][/quote]I object to a £ % of all killed animals being given to Islamic causes of which if i buy Halal not knowing it is Halal because of Companies bringing it in by stealth. If i want to give to Charity i want it to be my decision and not Islams decision under secrecy. All Animal welfare orgs have said Halal is cruel & the Animal does suffer greatly. The Halal slaughter licence states that any Kosher/Halal food is only to be killed and supplied to peoples of those faiths & not the general public of 95% non Muslim & Kosher. This is being investigated at the moment also. I stopped eating any Halal some time ago once i understood the above. I now make my own currys and own pizza etc. Kosher food and still is advertised in Jewish shops and they also dont eat pork however it has never encroached on the population all over the country. Halal or Allah if you mix the words up has, why because its another trojan horse attempt of which there are many to bring forward the the one aim agenda of Islam in this Country. Sharia law. If i did like to drink alcohol and was moving away i would never go to a dry country with no drink and complain i would rather go somewhere it was served legally. Why do Muslims not take that attitude.[/p][/quote]Which Islamic causes are these? What is the % that is given? Back it up with facts please. Don't make baseless points in an argument. As I said before, if you don't want to eat halal. Eat somewhere else. If you don't like pizza express for selling halal, go to dominos or pizza hut. You have a choice. And you have a voice to ask a restaurant if they serve halal. If they say yes then leave and go elsewhere. Nobody cares about you doing that. Muslims slaughter animals the halal way for muslims to eat. If pizza express don't want to buy separate halal and separate 'normal' meat and put the effort in to manage it that way. That's their decision. Not yours. Not anybody else's. If they value Muslim customers over customers who don't want halal for whatever reason. That's their decision . As I said before muslims don't campaign for corporations to serve halal. They do it out of choice. And halal meat is served here legally. The daily mail doesn't make the law, the government does.[/p][/quote]Zakat/Halal tax as it is called is moneys collected from all Halal certification groups, the amount is usually 2.5% and it funds the Islamic Society of Britain in the USA its the Islamic Society of north America & in France the Muslim Brotherhood controls a estimated 60% of halal food to fund its actions Being a Charity a freedom of Information cannot be made.If you want Halal then choose a place where it is.. 5% of the population dominating 95% of they type of food the people eat is a scandal. Super markets like our leaders are out of touch with what the 95% want. Watch them change now its out properly.... thomas222
  • Score: 3

4:46pm Fri 9 May 14

thomas222 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
shireen wrote:
I agree. Stunning causes more pain to the animal. Non stunning dosent because its over with in an instant. Example: If a policeman tasers a person then the person will be in pain and stuggle for some time. Same way stunning will cause more and more pain to an animal. I dont eat any poultry slaughtered by halal food authority(HFA) because they approve of mechanical slaughter. The only genuine approved slaughter method in england is by a company that goes by the name of halal monitoring committee(HMC). Since the introduction some years ago more and more muslims are coming onto this brand. This firm uses the the only and humane method of slaughter. This company have released a yellow sticker for the butchers and takeaway/restuarants who have enrolled their business onto this method. Its on the shop window in most places in bolton. For the people who dont want to eat halal,there is no one forcing you. You have the freedom to go elsewhere. Its your money its your choice.
Their argument now is that places sell halal and not tell customers. But they don't realise that restaurants who don't sell halal don't tell us that either. We ask when we go if the food is halal. And they tell us yes or no. Then we decide what to eat.
Why can't these people do the same? Most of them don't really care what they eat. They'd eat **** if it had a tescore shrink wrap on it. They're just jumping on the daily mail train of hate and anti Islamic propaganda.
I take your name eatmytruth222 means us having Halal forced down our throats does it. Halal + Allah if you mix the words up TRO.
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shireen[/bold] wrote: I agree. Stunning causes more pain to the animal. Non stunning dosent because its over with in an instant. Example: If a policeman tasers a person then the person will be in pain and stuggle for some time. Same way stunning will cause more and more pain to an animal. I dont eat any poultry slaughtered by halal food authority(HFA) because they approve of mechanical slaughter. The only genuine approved slaughter method in england is by a company that goes by the name of halal monitoring committee(HMC). Since the introduction some years ago more and more muslims are coming onto this brand. This firm uses the the only and humane method of slaughter. This company have released a yellow sticker for the butchers and takeaway/restuarants who have enrolled their business onto this method. Its on the shop window in most places in bolton. For the people who dont want to eat halal,there is no one forcing you. You have the freedom to go elsewhere. Its your money its your choice.[/p][/quote]Their argument now is that places sell halal and not tell customers. But they don't realise that restaurants who don't sell halal don't tell us that either. We ask when we go if the food is halal. And they tell us yes or no. Then we decide what to eat. Why can't these people do the same? Most of them don't really care what they eat. They'd eat **** if it had a tescore shrink wrap on it. They're just jumping on the daily mail train of hate and anti Islamic propaganda.[/p][/quote]I take your name eatmytruth222 means us having Halal forced down our throats does it. Halal + Allah if you mix the words up TRO. thomas222
  • Score: 3

4:47pm Fri 9 May 14

lv8151 says...

lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them
lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them lv8151
  • Score: 3

4:52pm Fri 9 May 14

shireen says...

thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway.
Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do.
Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican.
If you want a debate. Find a real issue.
If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels.
And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.
The problem is because companies are giving people Halal by stealth & try and conceal it. Denmark have banned it totally & also France has stopped it being served to non Muslims in ten 10 towns. We will soon be.
So on that merit every place which doesn't sell halal should have a sign that says so too?
Can I ask what your objection is to eating halal? Not saying you shouldn't have one but I'd like to know where you're coming from with some of your previous comments.
Is it just that you don't know? If you knew what would be your objection to eating halal labelled food?
I object to a £ % of all killed animals being given to Islamic causes of which if i buy Halal not knowing it is Halal because of Companies bringing it in by stealth. If i want to give to Charity i want it to be my decision and not Islams decision under secrecy.

All Animal welfare orgs have said Halal is cruel & the Animal does suffer greatly.

The Halal slaughter licence states that any Kosher/Halal food is only to be killed and supplied to peoples of those faiths & not the general public of 95% non Muslim & Kosher. This is being investigated at the moment also.

I stopped eating any Halal some time ago once i understood the above. I now make my own currys and own pizza etc. Kosher food and still is advertised in Jewish shops and they also dont eat pork however it has never encroached on the population all over the country. Halal or Allah if you mix the words up has, why because its another trojan horse attempt of which there are many to bring forward the the one aim agenda of Islam in this Country. Sharia law. If i did like to drink alcohol and was moving away i would never go to a dry country with no drink and complain i would rather go somewhere it was served legally. Why do Muslims not take that attitude.
Which Islamic causes are these? What is the % that is given? Back it up with facts please. Don't make baseless points in an argument.

As I said before, if you don't want to eat halal. Eat somewhere else. If you don't like pizza express for selling halal, go to dominos or pizza hut. You have a choice. And you have a voice to ask a restaurant if they serve halal. If they say yes then leave and go elsewhere. Nobody cares about you doing that.
Muslims slaughter animals the halal way for muslims to eat. If pizza express don't want to buy separate halal and separate 'normal' meat and put the effort in to manage it that way. That's their decision. Not yours. Not anybody else's. If they value Muslim customers over customers who don't want halal for whatever reason. That's their decision .
As I said before muslims don't campaign for corporations to serve halal. They do it out of choice.
And halal meat is served here legally. The daily mail doesn't make the law, the government does.
Zakat/Halal tax as it is called is moneys collected from all Halal certification groups, the amount is usually 2.5% and it funds the Islamic Society of Britain in the USA its the Islamic Society of north America & in France the Muslim Brotherhood controls a estimated 60% of halal food to fund its actions Being a Charity a freedom of Information cannot be made.If you want Halal then choose a place where it is.. 5% of the population dominating 95% of they type of food the people eat is a scandal. Super markets like our leaders are out of touch with what the 95% want. Watch them change now its out properly....
No it dosent. Zakat is a sum of money given to the real needy people. The people who are desperate for food clothing etc.if the needy person dosent pass the criteria then its not permisabble to give it or him/her to accept it. Eg a person claims to have no money for food clothes etc but in his pocket he/she has a £500 smart phone. Then this person does not qualify.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway. Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do. Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican. If you want a debate. Find a real issue. If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels. And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.[/p][/quote]The problem is because companies are giving people Halal by stealth & try and conceal it. Denmark have banned it totally & also France has stopped it being served to non Muslims in ten 10 towns. We will soon be.[/p][/quote]So on that merit every place which doesn't sell halal should have a sign that says so too? Can I ask what your objection is to eating halal? Not saying you shouldn't have one but I'd like to know where you're coming from with some of your previous comments. Is it just that you don't know? If you knew what would be your objection to eating halal labelled food?[/p][/quote]I object to a £ % of all killed animals being given to Islamic causes of which if i buy Halal not knowing it is Halal because of Companies bringing it in by stealth. If i want to give to Charity i want it to be my decision and not Islams decision under secrecy. All Animal welfare orgs have said Halal is cruel & the Animal does suffer greatly. The Halal slaughter licence states that any Kosher/Halal food is only to be killed and supplied to peoples of those faiths & not the general public of 95% non Muslim & Kosher. This is being investigated at the moment also. I stopped eating any Halal some time ago once i understood the above. I now make my own currys and own pizza etc. Kosher food and still is advertised in Jewish shops and they also dont eat pork however it has never encroached on the population all over the country. Halal or Allah if you mix the words up has, why because its another trojan horse attempt of which there are many to bring forward the the one aim agenda of Islam in this Country. Sharia law. If i did like to drink alcohol and was moving away i would never go to a dry country with no drink and complain i would rather go somewhere it was served legally. Why do Muslims not take that attitude.[/p][/quote]Which Islamic causes are these? What is the % that is given? Back it up with facts please. Don't make baseless points in an argument. As I said before, if you don't want to eat halal. Eat somewhere else. If you don't like pizza express for selling halal, go to dominos or pizza hut. You have a choice. And you have a voice to ask a restaurant if they serve halal. If they say yes then leave and go elsewhere. Nobody cares about you doing that. Muslims slaughter animals the halal way for muslims to eat. If pizza express don't want to buy separate halal and separate 'normal' meat and put the effort in to manage it that way. That's their decision. Not yours. Not anybody else's. If they value Muslim customers over customers who don't want halal for whatever reason. That's their decision . As I said before muslims don't campaign for corporations to serve halal. They do it out of choice. And halal meat is served here legally. The daily mail doesn't make the law, the government does.[/p][/quote]Zakat/Halal tax as it is called is moneys collected from all Halal certification groups, the amount is usually 2.5% and it funds the Islamic Society of Britain in the USA its the Islamic Society of north America & in France the Muslim Brotherhood controls a estimated 60% of halal food to fund its actions Being a Charity a freedom of Information cannot be made.If you want Halal then choose a place where it is.. 5% of the population dominating 95% of they type of food the people eat is a scandal. Super markets like our leaders are out of touch with what the 95% want. Watch them change now its out properly....[/p][/quote]No it dosent. Zakat is a sum of money given to the real needy people. The people who are desperate for food clothing etc.if the needy person dosent pass the criteria then its not permisabble to give it or him/her to accept it. Eg a person claims to have no money for food clothes etc but in his pocket he/she has a £500 smart phone. Then this person does not qualify. shireen
  • Score: -41

4:52pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway.
Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do.
Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican.
If you want a debate. Find a real issue.
If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels.
And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.
The problem is because companies are giving people Halal by stealth & try and conceal it. Denmark have banned it totally & also France has stopped it being served to non Muslims in ten 10 towns. We will soon be.
So on that merit every place which doesn't sell halal should have a sign that says so too?
Can I ask what your objection is to eating halal? Not saying you shouldn't have one but I'd like to know where you're coming from with some of your previous comments.
Is it just that you don't know? If you knew what would be your objection to eating halal labelled food?
I object to a £ % of all killed animals being given to Islamic causes of which if i buy Halal not knowing it is Halal because of Companies bringing it in by stealth. If i want to give to Charity i want it to be my decision and not Islams decision under secrecy.

All Animal welfare orgs have said Halal is cruel & the Animal does suffer greatly.

The Halal slaughter licence states that any Kosher/Halal food is only to be killed and supplied to peoples of those faiths & not the general public of 95% non Muslim & Kosher. This is being investigated at the moment also.

I stopped eating any Halal some time ago once i understood the above. I now make my own currys and own pizza etc. Kosher food and still is advertised in Jewish shops and they also dont eat pork however it has never encroached on the population all over the country. Halal or Allah if you mix the words up has, why because its another trojan horse attempt of which there are many to bring forward the the one aim agenda of Islam in this Country. Sharia law. If i did like to drink alcohol and was moving away i would never go to a dry country with no drink and complain i would rather go somewhere it was served legally. Why do Muslims not take that attitude.
Which Islamic causes are these? What is the % that is given? Back it up with facts please. Don't make baseless points in an argument.

As I said before, if you don't want to eat halal. Eat somewhere else. If you don't like pizza express for selling halal, go to dominos or pizza hut. You have a choice. And you have a voice to ask a restaurant if they serve halal. If they say yes then leave and go elsewhere. Nobody cares about you doing that.
Muslims slaughter animals the halal way for muslims to eat. If pizza express don't want to buy separate halal and separate 'normal' meat and put the effort in to manage it that way. That's their decision. Not yours. Not anybody else's. If they value Muslim customers over customers who don't want halal for whatever reason. That's their decision .
As I said before muslims don't campaign for corporations to serve halal. They do it out of choice.
And halal meat is served here legally. The daily mail doesn't make the law, the government does.
Zakat/Halal tax as it is called is moneys collected from all Halal certification groups, the amount is usually 2.5% and it funds the Islamic Society of Britain in the USA its the Islamic Society of north America & in France the Muslim Brotherhood controls a estimated 60% of halal food to fund its actions Being a Charity a freedom of Information cannot be made.If you want Halal then choose a place where it is.. 5% of the population dominating 95% of they type of food the people eat is a scandal. Super markets like our leaders are out of touch with what the 95% want. Watch them change now its out properly....
Actually clever clogs. Zakat is imposed on all muslims as individuals not on an organisation. So yes the money given may be paid as wages which is then given in zakat and if you read the rules of zakariya it's not just given to a 'charity' it's given to who needs it most. This could be to muslims or non muslims. Halal certification has nothing to do with zakat. Also where did you get this new fact about the Muslim brotherhood controlling 60% of halal food? When I buy chicken it's slaughtered in Bolton and butchered in Bolton and sold in Bolton. My friends family do the whole process themselves. Nothing to do with Egyptians. And your sentence doesn't make sense. If I want halal choose a place where it is? That is what I do. I g to restaurants where they serve halal food. I don't tell them to serve halal. I don't ask them to. I don't care if they do or don't. They want to. So instead of making a fool of yourself on the Internet to strangers. Why not write to the leaders of the corporations you're concerned about and ask tbh em first if they sell only halal meat. Then tell them you don't like it. Then wait for the letter back saying " we don't care what you want because you're insignificant. And if we sell halal we will make more money so go away." You really are dim witted and I won't be replying to you anymore.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway. Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do. Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican. If you want a debate. Find a real issue. If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels. And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.[/p][/quote]The problem is because companies are giving people Halal by stealth & try and conceal it. Denmark have banned it totally & also France has stopped it being served to non Muslims in ten 10 towns. We will soon be.[/p][/quote]So on that merit every place which doesn't sell halal should have a sign that says so too? Can I ask what your objection is to eating halal? Not saying you shouldn't have one but I'd like to know where you're coming from with some of your previous comments. Is it just that you don't know? If you knew what would be your objection to eating halal labelled food?[/p][/quote]I object to a £ % of all killed animals being given to Islamic causes of which if i buy Halal not knowing it is Halal because of Companies bringing it in by stealth. If i want to give to Charity i want it to be my decision and not Islams decision under secrecy. All Animal welfare orgs have said Halal is cruel & the Animal does suffer greatly. The Halal slaughter licence states that any Kosher/Halal food is only to be killed and supplied to peoples of those faiths & not the general public of 95% non Muslim & Kosher. This is being investigated at the moment also. I stopped eating any Halal some time ago once i understood the above. I now make my own currys and own pizza etc. Kosher food and still is advertised in Jewish shops and they also dont eat pork however it has never encroached on the population all over the country. Halal or Allah if you mix the words up has, why because its another trojan horse attempt of which there are many to bring forward the the one aim agenda of Islam in this Country. Sharia law. If i did like to drink alcohol and was moving away i would never go to a dry country with no drink and complain i would rather go somewhere it was served legally. Why do Muslims not take that attitude.[/p][/quote]Which Islamic causes are these? What is the % that is given? Back it up with facts please. Don't make baseless points in an argument. As I said before, if you don't want to eat halal. Eat somewhere else. If you don't like pizza express for selling halal, go to dominos or pizza hut. You have a choice. And you have a voice to ask a restaurant if they serve halal. If they say yes then leave and go elsewhere. Nobody cares about you doing that. Muslims slaughter animals the halal way for muslims to eat. If pizza express don't want to buy separate halal and separate 'normal' meat and put the effort in to manage it that way. That's their decision. Not yours. Not anybody else's. If they value Muslim customers over customers who don't want halal for whatever reason. That's their decision . As I said before muslims don't campaign for corporations to serve halal. They do it out of choice. And halal meat is served here legally. The daily mail doesn't make the law, the government does.[/p][/quote]Zakat/Halal tax as it is called is moneys collected from all Halal certification groups, the amount is usually 2.5% and it funds the Islamic Society of Britain in the USA its the Islamic Society of north America & in France the Muslim Brotherhood controls a estimated 60% of halal food to fund its actions Being a Charity a freedom of Information cannot be made.If you want Halal then choose a place where it is.. 5% of the population dominating 95% of they type of food the people eat is a scandal. Super markets like our leaders are out of touch with what the 95% want. Watch them change now its out properly....[/p][/quote]Actually clever clogs. Zakat is imposed on all muslims as individuals not on an organisation. So yes the money given may be paid as wages which is then given in zakat and if you read the rules of zakariya it's not just given to a 'charity' it's given to who needs it most. This could be to muslims or non muslims. Halal certification has nothing to do with zakat. Also where did you get this new fact about the Muslim brotherhood controlling 60% of halal food? When I buy chicken it's slaughtered in Bolton and butchered in Bolton and sold in Bolton. My friends family do the whole process themselves. Nothing to do with Egyptians. And your sentence doesn't make sense. If I want halal choose a place where it is? That is what I do. I g to restaurants where they serve halal food. I don't tell them to serve halal. I don't ask them to. I don't care if they do or don't. They want to. So instead of making a fool of yourself on the Internet to strangers. Why not write to the leaders of the corporations you're concerned about and ask tbh em first if they sell only halal meat. Then tell them you don't like it. Then wait for the letter back saying " we don't care what you want because you're insignificant. And if we sell halal we will make more money so go away." You really are dim witted and I won't be replying to you anymore. eatmytruth
  • Score: -49

5:05pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

lv8151 wrote:
lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them
Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche
r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that.
The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers.
And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat.
And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them[/p][/quote]Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans. eatmytruth
  • Score: -41

5:20pm Fri 9 May 14

lv8151 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them
Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche

r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that.
The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers.
And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat.
And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.
so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them[/p][/quote]Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.[/p][/quote]so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care lv8151
  • Score: 1

5:48pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them
Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche


r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that.
The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers.
And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat.
And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.
so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care
Well to you I'd recommend KFC.
And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there.

Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature.
But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them[/p][/quote]Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.[/p][/quote]so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care[/p][/quote]Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you. eatmytruth
  • Score: 0

5:54pm Fri 9 May 14

Liamdog says...

You can't beat a good halal pork chop at a Jewish wedding.
You can't beat a good halal pork chop at a Jewish wedding. Liamdog
  • Score: 7

6:13pm Fri 9 May 14

Jackael says...

eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them
Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche



r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that.
The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers.
And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat.
And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.
so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care
Well to you I'd recommend KFC.
And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there.

Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature.
But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.
I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !!
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them[/p][/quote]Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.[/p][/quote]so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care[/p][/quote]Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.[/p][/quote]I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !! Jackael
  • Score: 3

6:21pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them
Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche




r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that.
The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers.
And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat.
And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.
so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care
Well to you I'd recommend KFC.
And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there.

Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature.
But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.
I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !!
Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process.
I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats.
Go eat somewhere else.
[quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them[/p][/quote]Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.[/p][/quote]so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care[/p][/quote]Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.[/p][/quote]I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !![/p][/quote]Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else. eatmytruth
  • Score: -3

6:35pm Fri 9 May 14

Jackael says...

eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them
Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche





r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that.
The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers.
And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat.
And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.
so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care
Well to you I'd recommend KFC.
And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there.

Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature.
But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.
I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !!
Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process.
I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats.
Go eat somewhere else.
Well that being the case, why dont you go and live where Halal slaughter is the norm i.e. Asia for example and leave us peace and it would save you the expense of importing it !!!
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them[/p][/quote]Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.[/p][/quote]so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care[/p][/quote]Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.[/p][/quote]I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !![/p][/quote]Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Well that being the case, why dont you go and live where Halal slaughter is the norm i.e. Asia for example and leave us peace and it would save you the expense of importing it !!! Jackael
  • Score: 7

6:39pm Fri 9 May 14

Jackael says...

eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them
Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche





r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that.
The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers.
And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat.
And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.
so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care
Well to you I'd recommend KFC.
And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there.

Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature.
But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.
I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !!
Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process.
I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats.
Go eat somewhere else.
And while were on the subject you can stop trying to force your religion down our throats as well, take that with you too. !!!
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them[/p][/quote]Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.[/p][/quote]so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care[/p][/quote]Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.[/p][/quote]I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !![/p][/quote]Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.[/p][/quote]And while were on the subject you can stop trying to force your religion down our throats as well, take that with you too. !!! Jackael
  • Score: 5

6:46pm Fri 9 May 14

lv8151 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them
Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche



r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that.
The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers.
And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat.
And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.
so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care
Well to you I'd recommend KFC.
And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there.

Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature.
But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.
i was just wondering which chickens you ate ..... the free range omnivore type which being omnivore means they will be unclean so wont be halal or the warehoused seed fed ones that dont have a good life so cant be halal .... and as you say you dont know pig farmers so your statement about them not caring was laughable
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them[/p][/quote]Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.[/p][/quote]so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care[/p][/quote]Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.[/p][/quote]i was just wondering which chickens you ate ..... the free range omnivore type which being omnivore means they will be unclean so wont be halal or the warehoused seed fed ones that dont have a good life so cant be halal .... and as you say you dont know pig farmers so your statement about them not caring was laughable lv8151
  • Score: -1

7:29pm Fri 9 May 14

shireen says...

eatmytruth wrote:
shireen wrote:
I agree. Stunning causes more pain to the animal. Non stunning dosent because its over with in an instant. Example: If a policeman tasers a person then the person will be in pain and stuggle for some time. Same way stunning will cause more and more pain to an animal. I dont eat any poultry slaughtered by halal food authority(HFA) because they approve of mechanical slaughter. The only genuine approved slaughter method in england is by a company that goes by the name of halal monitoring committee(HMC). Since the introduction some years ago more and more muslims are coming onto this brand. This firm uses the the only and humane method of slaughter. This company have released a yellow sticker for the butchers and takeaway/restuarants who have enrolled their business onto this method. Its on the shop window in most places in bolton. For the people who dont want to eat halal,there is no one forcing you. You have the freedom to go elsewhere. Its your money its your choice.
Their argument now is that places sell halal and not tell customers. But they don't realise that restaurants who don't sell halal don't tell us that either. We ask when we go if the food is halal. And they tell us yes or no. Then we decide what to eat.
Why can't these people do the same? Most of them don't really care what they eat. They'd eat **** if it had a tescore shrink wrap on it. They're just jumping on the daily mail train of hate and anti Islamic propaganda.
Totally agree with you. Its not hard. ..you go into an outlet. Ask them if its halal.if yes then walk out. If no then take your seat. These outlets are turning to halal off their own back. There has been no such force from the muslim authorities. A business minded person only looks at way to increase his takings/profits.i have personally seen down south of england non-muslim business owners turning to halal off their own back.
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shireen[/bold] wrote: I agree. Stunning causes more pain to the animal. Non stunning dosent because its over with in an instant. Example: If a policeman tasers a person then the person will be in pain and stuggle for some time. Same way stunning will cause more and more pain to an animal. I dont eat any poultry slaughtered by halal food authority(HFA) because they approve of mechanical slaughter. The only genuine approved slaughter method in england is by a company that goes by the name of halal monitoring committee(HMC). Since the introduction some years ago more and more muslims are coming onto this brand. This firm uses the the only and humane method of slaughter. This company have released a yellow sticker for the butchers and takeaway/restuarants who have enrolled their business onto this method. Its on the shop window in most places in bolton. For the people who dont want to eat halal,there is no one forcing you. You have the freedom to go elsewhere. Its your money its your choice.[/p][/quote]Their argument now is that places sell halal and not tell customers. But they don't realise that restaurants who don't sell halal don't tell us that either. We ask when we go if the food is halal. And they tell us yes or no. Then we decide what to eat. Why can't these people do the same? Most of them don't really care what they eat. They'd eat **** if it had a tescore shrink wrap on it. They're just jumping on the daily mail train of hate and anti Islamic propaganda.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you. Its not hard. ..you go into an outlet. Ask them if its halal.if yes then walk out. If no then take your seat. These outlets are turning to halal off their own back. There has been no such force from the muslim authorities. A business minded person only looks at way to increase his takings/profits.i have personally seen down south of england non-muslim business owners turning to halal off their own back. shireen
  • Score: -57

8:04pm Fri 9 May 14

thomas222 says...

Anyone wanting to find out about Halal instead of all the Muslim bs comments look at www.boycotthalal.com its all there in black and white.. Is that racist saying i just used? : )
Anyone wanting to find out about Halal instead of all the Muslim bs comments look at www.boycotthalal.com its all there in black and white.. Is that racist saying i just used? : ) thomas222
  • Score: 1

8:18pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them
Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.
so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care
Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.
I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !!
Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.
Well that being the case, why dont you go and live where Halal slaughter is the norm i.e. Asia for example and leave us peace and it would save you the expense of importing it !!!
Who should i move to asia? I was born here. Lived here all my life and I am British.
I can eat what I want and when I want how I want. And so can you
[quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them[/p][/quote]Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.[/p][/quote]so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care[/p][/quote]Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.[/p][/quote]I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !![/p][/quote]Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Well that being the case, why dont you go and live where Halal slaughter is the norm i.e. Asia for example and leave us peace and it would save you the expense of importing it !!![/p][/quote]Who should i move to asia? I was born here. Lived here all my life and I am British. I can eat what I want and when I want how I want. And so can you eatmytruth
  • Score: -49

8:19pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them
Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.
so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care
Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.
I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !!
Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.
And while were on the subject you can stop trying to force your religion down our throats as well, take that with you too. !!!
I'm not forcing my religion on anybody. I never told you to be Muslim. It would be good for you but I won't force you.
[quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them[/p][/quote]Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.[/p][/quote]so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care[/p][/quote]Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.[/p][/quote]I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !![/p][/quote]Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.[/p][/quote]And while were on the subject you can stop trying to force your religion down our throats as well, take that with you too. !!![/p][/quote]I'm not forcing my religion on anybody. I never told you to be Muslim. It would be good for you but I won't force you. eatmytruth
  • Score: -74

8:29pm Fri 9 May 14

bwfc58 says...

It will not be long now for most of us to vote for UKIP in the Local and EU elections as they are the only party that will stop halal meats being sold to the English and British public and stop all these mosque being built in this once Great Country of ours FACT, now a few of you will not agree with me and most of you will agree with me, so them that do not agree with me I could not care less about you, but most of you that do agree with me i care very much about you and this once Great Country of ours. so come on and tell all your family and friends to vote for UKIP just like I am doing and then we can Claim our once Great Country back.
It will not be long now for most of us to vote for UKIP in the Local and EU elections as they are the only party that will stop halal meats being sold to the English and British public and stop all these mosque being built in this once Great Country of ours FACT, now a few of you will not agree with me and most of you will agree with me, so them that do not agree with me I could not care less about you, but most of you that do agree with me i care very much about you and this once Great Country of ours. so come on and tell all your family and friends to vote for UKIP just like I am doing and then we can Claim our once Great Country back. bwfc58
  • Score: 2

8:30pm Fri 9 May 14

thomas222 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them
Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.
so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care
Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.
I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !!
Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.
And while were on the subject you can stop trying to force your religion down our throats as well, take that with you too. !!!
I'm not forcing my religion on anybody. I never told you to be Muslim. It would be good for you but I won't force you.
Are you not... look at www,boycotthalal.com and look. Thing is the British Invention the internet has given people the ability to find out what Halal & Islam is. Have you thought of one Islamic person or Country who has made a invention of something that has changed the world for the betterment of mankind in the last 1500 years ?.. Any drugs that stop malaria or leprosy for example or did you body swerve that one. Get your thinking caps on chaps its a hard one and we dont want your barbaric 1500 years old customs here thanks. We have moved on.
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them[/p][/quote]Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.[/p][/quote]so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care[/p][/quote]Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.[/p][/quote]I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !![/p][/quote]Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.[/p][/quote]And while were on the subject you can stop trying to force your religion down our throats as well, take that with you too. !!![/p][/quote]I'm not forcing my religion on anybody. I never told you to be Muslim. It would be good for you but I won't force you.[/p][/quote]Are you not... look at www,boycotthalal.com and look. Thing is the British Invention the internet has given people the ability to find out what Halal & Islam is. Have you thought of one Islamic person or Country who has made a invention of something that has changed the world for the betterment of mankind in the last 1500 years ?.. Any drugs that stop malaria or leprosy for example or did you body swerve that one. Get your thinking caps on chaps its a hard one and we dont want your barbaric 1500 years old customs here thanks. We have moved on. thomas222
  • Score: 2

8:31pm Fri 9 May 14

Jackael says...

eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them
Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.
so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care
Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.
I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !!
Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.
Well that being the case, why dont you go and live where Halal slaughter is the norm i.e. Asia for example and leave us peace and it would save you the expense of importing it !!!
Who should i move to asia? I was born here. Lived here all my life and I am British.
I can eat what I want and when I want how I want. And so can you
It will become all to apparent to you in the near future of actually how British you are not...
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them[/p][/quote]Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.[/p][/quote]so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care[/p][/quote]Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.[/p][/quote]I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !![/p][/quote]Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Well that being the case, why dont you go and live where Halal slaughter is the norm i.e. Asia for example and leave us peace and it would save you the expense of importing it !!![/p][/quote]Who should i move to asia? I was born here. Lived here all my life and I am British. I can eat what I want and when I want how I want. And so can you[/p][/quote]It will become all to apparent to you in the near future of actually how British you are not... Jackael
  • Score: 4

8:36pm Fri 9 May 14

Leftythelion says...

Reed Lover wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
cliff4treasurer wrote:
"And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives"

Or kidnaping and murdering 300 schoolgirls etc etc etc

I think you will find it's your lot who deliberately target civilian on aeroplanes etc and schoolchildren or perhaps they are Christians and I am wrong?
My lot? Which lot is this that you're accusing me of representing? 300 schoolgirls? I haven't commissioned any act like that nor supported nor funded it.
I haven't targeted any civillian in on any aeroplane. What do you take me for?
The people who do these barbaric acts don't do it with religious purpose. They have other interests such as money or politics or just plain sickness.
Don't associate me with them.
Of course we are not allowed to mention the many thousands of innocent Muslims who were murdered by Bush and Blair's Christian Army when they carpet bombed Bagdad. Their crime was to be ruled by a tyrant that The West didn't like even though Saddam was an enemy of The Taliban and Al Qaeda. Bush actually declared that God had directed him in this unholy war.
By my reckoning Christianity has a 600 year head start on Islam. Anyone care to look up what atrocities the Catholic and Protestant Churches perpetrated against each other, Jews and Muslims? Millions of people put to death. Sharia Law? How about Galileo being incarcerated and sentenced to death for daring to say that the Earth revolved around the Sun. Witches burnt, hanged, tortured. Heretics beheaded, burnt, tortured, stoned to death.
If Islam is still doing this in 300 years time then we can have a discussion...

Two things we know about ignorant racists:

1. They are ignorant
2. They are racist.
The Church never officially condemned the Copernican theory as heresy. The Church simply demanded that Galileo teach it as a theory rather than as proven fact, which is all it was in his day. Pope John Paul II has apologized for the Church's bad handling of the Galileo case. It involved no false dogmatic teaching, but has been endlessly misrepresented by enemies of the Church.
[quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliff4treasurer[/bold] wrote: "And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives" Or kidnaping and murdering 300 schoolgirls etc etc etc I think you will find it's your lot who deliberately target civilian on aeroplanes etc and schoolchildren or perhaps they are Christians and I am wrong?[/p][/quote]My lot? Which lot is this that you're accusing me of representing? 300 schoolgirls? I haven't commissioned any act like that nor supported nor funded it. I haven't targeted any civillian in on any aeroplane. What do you take me for? The people who do these barbaric acts don't do it with religious purpose. They have other interests such as money or politics or just plain sickness. Don't associate me with them.[/p][/quote]Of course we are not allowed to mention the many thousands of innocent Muslims who were murdered by Bush and Blair's Christian Army when they carpet bombed Bagdad. Their crime was to be ruled by a tyrant that The West didn't like even though Saddam was an enemy of The Taliban and Al Qaeda. Bush actually declared that God had directed him in this unholy war. By my reckoning Christianity has a 600 year head start on Islam. Anyone care to look up what atrocities the Catholic and Protestant Churches perpetrated against each other, Jews and Muslims? Millions of people put to death. Sharia Law? How about Galileo being incarcerated and sentenced to death for daring to say that the Earth revolved around the Sun. Witches burnt, hanged, tortured. Heretics beheaded, burnt, tortured, stoned to death. If Islam is still doing this in 300 years time then we can have a discussion... Two things we know about ignorant racists: 1. They are ignorant 2. They are racist.[/p][/quote]The Church never officially condemned the Copernican theory as heresy. The Church simply demanded that Galileo teach it as a theory rather than as proven fact, which is all it was in his day. Pope John Paul II has apologized for the Church's bad handling of the Galileo case. It involved no false dogmatic teaching, but has been endlessly misrepresented by enemies of the Church. Leftythelion
  • Score: -2

8:54pm Fri 9 May 14

thomas222 says...

If you dont gamble & its against your principles dont go and live in Las Vegas
If you dont drink & its against your principles dont go and live in Benidorm
If you dont like the western way of life because its against your principles dont go
If you dont like sex tourists countrys like Thialand dont go.
Millions of western people now days go to places they have what they want. Why do the Islamists not do the same,they do not accept the when in Rome do as the Romans do mentality and choose the " its ours for the taking. Its not, its taken time but the Brits are on it now thank God.
If you dont gamble & its against your principles dont go and live in Las Vegas If you dont drink & its against your principles dont go and live in Benidorm If you dont like the western way of life because its against your principles dont go If you dont like sex tourists countrys like Thialand dont go. Millions of western people now days go to places they have what they want. Why do the Islamists not do the same,they do not accept the when in Rome do as the Romans do mentality and choose the " its ours for the taking. Its not, its taken time but the Brits are on it now thank God. thomas222
  • Score: 9

9:29pm Fri 9 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Reed Lover wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Racist hysteria, no more no less.
The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.
Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.
The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election.
There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual.
This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.
Racist? I tell you what... let me shove a flaming bible down your throat.

1. I don't want halal forced on me.

2. I don't want my meat blessed by an Imam

Racist? No! Pro-choice?: Feck yes.
[quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: Racist hysteria, no more no less. The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.[/p][/quote]Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.[/p][/quote]The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election. There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual. This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.[/p][/quote]Racist? I tell you what... let me shove a flaming bible down your throat. 1. I don't want halal forced on me. 2. I don't want my meat blessed by an Imam Racist? No! Pro-choice?: Feck yes. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 10

9:31pm Fri 9 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

thomas222 wrote:
If you dont gamble & its against your principles dont go and live in Las Vegas
If you dont drink & its against your principles dont go and live in Benidorm
If you dont like the western way of life because its against your principles dont go
If you dont like sex tourists countrys like Thialand dont go.
Millions of western people now days go to places they have what they want. Why do the Islamists not do the same,they do not accept the when in Rome do as the Romans do mentality and choose the " its ours for the taking. Its not, its taken time but the Brits are on it now thank God.
Money Thomas...
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: If you dont gamble & its against your principles dont go and live in Las Vegas If you dont drink & its against your principles dont go and live in Benidorm If you dont like the western way of life because its against your principles dont go If you dont like sex tourists countrys like Thialand dont go. Millions of western people now days go to places they have what they want. Why do the Islamists not do the same,they do not accept the when in Rome do as the Romans do mentality and choose the " its ours for the taking. Its not, its taken time but the Brits are on it now thank God.[/p][/quote]Money Thomas... Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -1

9:42pm Fri 9 May 14

thomas222 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them
Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.
so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care
Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.
I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !!
Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.
And while were on the subject you can stop trying to force your religion down our throats as well, take that with you too. !!!
I'm not forcing my religion on anybody. I never told you to be Muslim. It would be good for you but I won't force you.
Who are you to judge anyone in life anywhere no matter their leanings & you dont even know that person. Who do you think you are as Mr Farage said. You are seriously deranged in the head & need to live somewhere else where you can pontificate how good you & your Islamist backward view of things are.
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them[/p][/quote]Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.[/p][/quote]so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care[/p][/quote]Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.[/p][/quote]I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !![/p][/quote]Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.[/p][/quote]And while were on the subject you can stop trying to force your religion down our throats as well, take that with you too. !!![/p][/quote]I'm not forcing my religion on anybody. I never told you to be Muslim. It would be good for you but I won't force you.[/p][/quote]Who are you to judge anyone in life anywhere no matter their leanings & you dont even know that person. Who do you think you are as Mr Farage said. You are seriously deranged in the head & need to live somewhere else where you can pontificate how good you & your Islamist backward view of things are. thomas222
  • Score: 6

10:23pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them
Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.
so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care
Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.
I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !!
Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.
And while were on the subject you can stop trying to force your religion down our throats as well, take that with you too. !!!
I'm not forcing my religion on anybody. I never told you to be Muslim. It would be good for you but I won't force you.
Are you not... look at www,boycotthalal.com and look. Thing is the British Invention the internet has given people the ability to find out what Halal & Islam is. Have you thought of one Islamic person or Country who has made a invention of something that has changed the world for the betterment of mankind in the last 1500 years ?.. Any drugs that stop malaria or leprosy for example or did you body swerve that one. Get your thinking caps on chaps its a hard one and we dont want your barbaric 1500 years old customs here thanks. We have moved on.
are you ready for this one?

i am very glad you asked what muslims have contributed in the last 1500 years. i got researching and i cant thank you enough for making me look into my religion even further. i feel a sense of pride in the information i am about to post for you.... hold on to your hat.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them[/p][/quote]Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.[/p][/quote]so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care[/p][/quote]Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.[/p][/quote]I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !![/p][/quote]Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.[/p][/quote]And while were on the subject you can stop trying to force your religion down our throats as well, take that with you too. !!![/p][/quote]I'm not forcing my religion on anybody. I never told you to be Muslim. It would be good for you but I won't force you.[/p][/quote]Are you not... look at www,boycotthalal.com and look. Thing is the British Invention the internet has given people the ability to find out what Halal & Islam is. Have you thought of one Islamic person or Country who has made a invention of something that has changed the world for the betterment of mankind in the last 1500 years ?.. Any drugs that stop malaria or leprosy for example or did you body swerve that one. Get your thinking caps on chaps its a hard one and we dont want your barbaric 1500 years old customs here thanks. We have moved on.[/p][/quote]are you ready for this one? i am very glad you asked what muslims have contributed in the last 1500 years. i got researching and i cant thank you enough for making me look into my religion even further. i feel a sense of pride in the information i am about to post for you.... hold on to your hat. eatmytruth
  • Score: -2

10:25pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them
Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.
so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care
Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.
I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !!
Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.
Well that being the case, why dont you go and live where Halal slaughter is the norm i.e. Asia for example and leave us peace and it would save you the expense of importing it !!!
Who should i move to asia? I was born here. Lived here all my life and I am British.
I can eat what I want and when I want how I want. And so can you
It will become all to apparent to you in the near future of actually how British you are not...
define british please.. what makes you british (if thats what you are) and not me?
[quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them[/p][/quote]Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.[/p][/quote]so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care[/p][/quote]Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.[/p][/quote]I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !![/p][/quote]Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Well that being the case, why dont you go and live where Halal slaughter is the norm i.e. Asia for example and leave us peace and it would save you the expense of importing it !!![/p][/quote]Who should i move to asia? I was born here. Lived here all my life and I am British. I can eat what I want and when I want how I want. And so can you[/p][/quote]It will become all to apparent to you in the near future of actually how British you are not...[/p][/quote]define british please.. what makes you british (if thats what you are) and not me? eatmytruth
  • Score: -38

10:27pm Fri 9 May 14

Greasy Chip Butty says...

I reckon we ask the folk coming out of the pubs and clubs in Bolton if they want their Kebabs to be halal or not. I would guess the vast majority wouldn't give two hoots.
Can only see the halal industry growing in the UK. Good luck to these entrepreneurs, it's all about demand and supply.
I reckon we ask the folk coming out of the pubs and clubs in Bolton if they want their Kebabs to be halal or not. I would guess the vast majority wouldn't give two hoots. Can only see the halal industry growing in the UK. Good luck to these entrepreneurs, it's all about demand and supply. Greasy Chip Butty
  • Score: -51

10:29pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

thomas222 wrote:
If you dont gamble & its against your principles dont go and live in Las Vegas
If you dont drink & its against your principles dont go and live in Benidorm
If you dont like the western way of life because its against your principles dont go
If you dont like sex tourists countrys like Thialand dont go.
Millions of western people now days go to places they have what they want. Why do the Islamists not do the same,they do not accept the when in Rome do as the Romans do mentality and choose the " its ours for the taking. Its not, its taken time but the Brits are on it now thank God.
I live in England because i was born here, as were my parents, and i stay here because i can have a halal chicken or lamb, beef or anything else i want. I can practice my religion freely, i can educate myself and above all i can contribute to the British society (which i do a lot of) ((and im going to assume you will have some prejudice doubts about)) (((but i can put them doubts to bed if you like))).
I am happy here and im sure my fellow brits have no problem with me being here. If i was to go to another country and get deported, guess where id be sent? thats right... Britian. If i had a problem with this country i would leave. But i dont have a problem and i will stay, it is you who has the problem.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: If you dont gamble & its against your principles dont go and live in Las Vegas If you dont drink & its against your principles dont go and live in Benidorm If you dont like the western way of life because its against your principles dont go If you dont like sex tourists countrys like Thialand dont go. Millions of western people now days go to places they have what they want. Why do the Islamists not do the same,they do not accept the when in Rome do as the Romans do mentality and choose the " its ours for the taking. Its not, its taken time but the Brits are on it now thank God.[/p][/quote]I live in England because i was born here, as were my parents, and i stay here because i can have a halal chicken or lamb, beef or anything else i want. I can practice my religion freely, i can educate myself and above all i can contribute to the British society (which i do a lot of) ((and im going to assume you will have some prejudice doubts about)) (((but i can put them doubts to bed if you like))). I am happy here and im sure my fellow brits have no problem with me being here. If i was to go to another country and get deported, guess where id be sent? thats right... Britian. If i had a problem with this country i would leave. But i dont have a problem and i will stay, it is you who has the problem. eatmytruth
  • Score: 2

10:31pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Racist hysteria, no more no less.
The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.
Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.
The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election.
There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual.
This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.
Racist? I tell you what... let me shove a flaming bible down your throat.

1. I don't want halal forced on me.

2. I don't want my meat blessed by an Imam

Racist? No! Pro-choice?: Feck yes.
You dont have halal forced on you, all you need to do is as. 'excuse me, is this chicken halal?' 'yes'. put it down. 'no' put it on your trolley.
Its so simple. i dont sit there putting halal chickens in tesco and hiding the labels. so go and tell tescos boss you dont like what they do or pizza express or whoever you have a problem with.
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: Racist hysteria, no more no less. The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.[/p][/quote]Many people do care as the poll above shows however this subject has been one of those subjects that has been deemed untouchable by the Media for fear of the Religious/ Racist card being played. That is changing now & we are going to see some major changes to what has been allowed to happen in the past & not before time.[/p][/quote]The racism card is being played, by the racists! It was the media that broke this non-story; The Mail and The Sun in particular and it's all a precursor to next year's General Election. There is no difference in taste or hygiene and the overwhelming majority of the animals are stunned prior to slaughter just like non-Halal meat is. Anyone who thinks that non-Halal meat production is an animal friendly affair really needs to get their head out of the sand. Those animals are stunned then butchered, Halal does exactly the same but some mumbo jumbo is added. Just words then butchery business as usual. This whole "outrage" is just xenophobia at best and rampant racism at worst. Are there any Muslims in the Cabinet? What percentage of Bolton councillors are Muslim? Sharia Law is not taking over anything.[/p][/quote]Racist? I tell you what... let me shove a flaming bible down your throat. 1. I don't want halal forced on me. 2. I don't want my meat blessed by an Imam Racist? No! Pro-choice?: Feck yes.[/p][/quote]You dont have halal forced on you, all you need to do is as. 'excuse me, is this chicken halal?' 'yes'. put it down. 'no' put it on your trolley. Its so simple. i dont sit there putting halal chickens in tesco and hiding the labels. so go and tell tescos boss you dont like what they do or pizza express or whoever you have a problem with. eatmytruth
  • Score: -2

10:35pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them
Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.
so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care
Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.
I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !!
Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.
And while were on the subject you can stop trying to force your religion down our throats as well, take that with you too. !!!
I'm not forcing my religion on anybody. I never told you to be Muslim. It would be good for you but I won't force you.
Who are you to judge anyone in life anywhere no matter their leanings & you dont even know that person. Who do you think you are as Mr Farage said. You are seriously deranged in the head & need to live somewhere else where you can pontificate how good you & your Islamist backward view of things are.
i do not see the reason for this post. Youre the one who is judging islam based on the stories printed by your beloved daily mail and the sun.
wake up and stop being so vile, if you want a proper discussion we can meet up for a coffee (invented by a muslim) and have a proper civillised chat. What say?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them[/p][/quote]Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.[/p][/quote]so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care[/p][/quote]Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.[/p][/quote]I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !![/p][/quote]Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.[/p][/quote]And while were on the subject you can stop trying to force your religion down our throats as well, take that with you too. !!![/p][/quote]I'm not forcing my religion on anybody. I never told you to be Muslim. It would be good for you but I won't force you.[/p][/quote]Who are you to judge anyone in life anywhere no matter their leanings & you dont even know that person. Who do you think you are as Mr Farage said. You are seriously deranged in the head & need to live somewhere else where you can pontificate how good you & your Islamist backward view of things are.[/p][/quote]i do not see the reason for this post. Youre the one who is judging islam based on the stories printed by your beloved daily mail and the sun. wake up and stop being so vile, if you want a proper discussion we can meet up for a coffee (invented by a muslim) and have a proper civillised chat. What say? eatmytruth
  • Score: -50

10:43pm Fri 9 May 14

Smeagol says...

Using the most humane method of slaughter is, of course, very important. Additionally, I do not like the idea of religion being brought into food production. As a non-religious person, my food being blessed is intrusive and distasteful, and I would really rather it is not. There seems to be a real problem with a lack of openness about food generally (remember the recent horsemeat shenanigans) and it makes me quite concerned about the public being misled or deliberately not informed about all sorts of information about the content and production of food. If we are properly informed, then we can make an informed choice and those who want halal or kosher are welcome to it, and those who do not can go elsewhere. I am all for this type of food being available (i think unless it really is cruel) but given that Jewish people and Moslems are not the predominant groups in the country, I would not expect these religious practises to be taking place as the norm, and the fact that they are apparently so widespread, and not done openly, is really quite troubling. What else is going on with my food that I don't know about I wonder?
Using the most humane method of slaughter is, of course, very important. Additionally, I do not like the idea of religion being brought into food production. As a non-religious person, my food being blessed is intrusive and distasteful, and I would really rather it is not. There seems to be a real problem with a lack of openness about food generally (remember the recent horsemeat shenanigans) and it makes me quite concerned about the public being misled or deliberately not informed about all sorts of information about the content and production of food. If we are properly informed, then we can make an informed choice and those who want halal or kosher are welcome to it, and those who do not can go elsewhere. I am all for this type of food being available (i think unless it really is cruel) but given that Jewish people and Moslems are not the predominant groups in the country, I would not expect these religious practises to be taking place as the norm, and the fact that they are apparently so widespread, and not done openly, is really quite troubling. What else is going on with my food that I don't know about I wonder? Smeagol
  • Score: 6

10:57pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

Thomas222, here is a list of only 14 of the many inventions by muslims which have changed the world.

1. Khalid from Ethiopia invented coffee as we know it today, and it was introduced to london by a turkish man.

2. Ibn Al haitham discovered that light enters the eye and that we don't emit beams from our eyes as it was thought by Romans. This helped to make the first pin hole camera.
(And the basis for some of the theory of today's optometry)

3. Abbas Ibn firnas made the first parachute by attempting to make the first flying machine. He then made a glider whilst trying to make a plane which only failed because it didn't have a tail to land safely. This was 1000 years before the Wright brothers built their plane.

4. Muslims invented soap as we use it today and it was brought to England by a man called mahomed who was appointed as the kings shampoo surgeon. This soap was created because of muslims religious obligations for hygiene.

5. Jabir Ibn hayyan invented liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation and filtration. Therefore he invented modern chemistry and most of todays science is as a result of Ibn Hayyan.

6. Al jazari invented the crankshaft which as you may know is a vital part of combustion engines and allows them to function how they do. He is also widely known as the father of 'robotics' and he made the first mechanical clock. He also made the combination lock.

7. Al zahrawi invented most of the surgical tools used today eg scalpels, forceps and fine scissors. He also developed cateract surgery using hollow needles. He also discovered opiate anaesthetics and medicinal alcohol techniques.

8. A persian caliph (leader of islam) commissioned the first windmill which was vital for raising water in deserts.(500 years before Europeans)

9. A Muslim invented the fountain pen to prevent ink spilling. The way ink is stored in a pen is the thing muslims added to the existing feather pen. And this invention is now used in all pens today.

10. Al khwarizmi invented Algebra which is named after his book Al Jabr. Muslims also invented algorithms and trigonometry. And al kindi made cryptology (deciphering code and languages)

11. Muslims invented carpets in persia by weaving whereas in the west floors were covered in rushes and we're always filthy as dirty things and waste got trapped at the bottom. so they loved carpets when persians brought them carpets.

12. Muslims invented the cheque so that money didn’t have to be carried around through dangerous places. That is the basis of banking as we know it. We use cards so we don’t have to carry cash and we still use cheques today. It was called a Saqq.
13. Heres a good 1. Muslim scholars agreed by the year 900 that the earth is sphere. They based it on the fact that the sun is always vertical to the earth. They calculated the earths circumference (being great mathematicians) and took a globe to the king of sicily in 1139. Galileo was born in 1564.
14. Heres one you will love. Muslims invented the bomb. They took gunpowder (which was invented by the Chinese) and made it pure to be used by military. They invented the torpedo which would be used against ships.
I used an article by the independent news paper and a book called 1001 Inventions: The Enduring Legacy of Muslim Civilization as my sources. If you want to know more about how islam has changed the world, get the book. There was also an exhibition linked to the book not so long ago in Manchester science museum. But you probably don’t see or hear of these things being locked away in your bedroom on BN.

Thankyou for reading and BN if you want to adapt and use this comment for a piece, feel free.
Thomas222, here is a list of only 14 of the many inventions by muslims which have changed the world. 1. Khalid from Ethiopia invented coffee as we know it today, and it was introduced to london by a turkish man. 2. Ibn Al haitham discovered that light enters the eye and that we don't emit beams from our eyes as it was thought by Romans. This helped to make the first pin hole camera. (And the basis for some of the theory of today's optometry) 3. Abbas Ibn firnas made the first parachute by attempting to make the first flying machine. He then made a glider whilst trying to make a plane which only failed because it didn't have a tail to land safely. This was 1000 years before the Wright brothers built their plane. 4. Muslims invented soap as we use it today and it was brought to England by a man called mahomed who was appointed as the kings shampoo surgeon. This soap was created because of muslims religious obligations for hygiene. 5. Jabir Ibn hayyan invented liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation and filtration. Therefore he invented modern chemistry and most of todays science is as a result of Ibn Hayyan. 6. Al jazari invented the crankshaft which as you may know is a vital part of combustion engines and allows them to function how they do. He is also widely known as the father of 'robotics' and he made the first mechanical clock. He also made the combination lock. 7. Al zahrawi invented most of the surgical tools used today eg scalpels, forceps and fine scissors. He also developed cateract surgery using hollow needles. He also discovered opiate anaesthetics and medicinal alcohol techniques. 8. A persian caliph (leader of islam) commissioned the first windmill which was vital for raising water in deserts.(500 years before Europeans) 9. A Muslim invented the fountain pen to prevent ink spilling. The way ink is stored in a pen is the thing muslims added to the existing feather pen. And this invention is now used in all pens today. 10. Al khwarizmi invented Algebra which is named after his book Al Jabr. Muslims also invented algorithms and trigonometry. And al kindi made cryptology (deciphering code and languages) 11. Muslims invented carpets in persia by weaving whereas in the west floors were covered in rushes and we're always filthy as dirty things and waste got trapped at the bottom. so they loved carpets when persians brought them carpets. 12. Muslims invented the cheque so that money didn’t have to be carried around through dangerous places. That is the basis of banking as we know it. We use cards so we don’t have to carry cash and we still use cheques today. It was called a Saqq. 13. Heres a good 1. Muslim scholars agreed by the year 900 that the earth is sphere. They based it on the fact that the sun is always vertical to the earth. They calculated the earths circumference (being great mathematicians) and took a globe to the king of sicily in 1139. Galileo was born in 1564. 14. Heres one you will love. Muslims invented the bomb. They took gunpowder (which was invented by the Chinese) and made it pure to be used by military. They invented the torpedo which would be used against ships. I used an article by the independent news paper and a book called 1001 Inventions: The Enduring Legacy of Muslim Civilization as my sources. If you want to know more about how islam has changed the world, get the book. There was also an exhibition linked to the book not so long ago in Manchester science museum. But you probably don’t see or hear of these things being locked away in your bedroom on BN. Thankyou for reading and BN if you want to adapt and use this comment for a piece, feel free. eatmytruth
  • Score: 7

11:02pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

Smeagol wrote:
Using the most humane method of slaughter is, of course, very important. Additionally, I do not like the idea of religion being brought into food production. As a non-religious person, my food being blessed is intrusive and distasteful, and I would really rather it is not. There seems to be a real problem with a lack of openness about food generally (remember the recent horsemeat shenanigans) and it makes me quite concerned about the public being misled or deliberately not informed about all sorts of information about the content and production of food. If we are properly informed, then we can make an informed choice and those who want halal or kosher are welcome to it, and those who do not can go elsewhere. I am all for this type of food being available (i think unless it really is cruel) but given that Jewish people and Moslems are not the predominant groups in the country, I would not expect these religious practises to be taking place as the norm, and the fact that they are apparently so widespread, and not done openly, is really quite troubling. What else is going on with my food that I don't know about I wonder?
its ok for you to be concerned that halal and kosher food is being supplied without your knowledge. But to say it is muslims who demand it and it is creeping sharia is just not right. You didnt say it but a lot of these comments suggest it.
The fact at the end of the day is that serving halal without advising is purely a business decision. it is not something we demand. it is not something we ask for. If anything we would prefer that they label it as halal too so we know we can consume it. If they sell halal meat without labelling it as such, muslims arent going to eat there. Where is the logic behind this whole argument?
[quote][p][bold]Smeagol[/bold] wrote: Using the most humane method of slaughter is, of course, very important. Additionally, I do not like the idea of religion being brought into food production. As a non-religious person, my food being blessed is intrusive and distasteful, and I would really rather it is not. There seems to be a real problem with a lack of openness about food generally (remember the recent horsemeat shenanigans) and it makes me quite concerned about the public being misled or deliberately not informed about all sorts of information about the content and production of food. If we are properly informed, then we can make an informed choice and those who want halal or kosher are welcome to it, and those who do not can go elsewhere. I am all for this type of food being available (i think unless it really is cruel) but given that Jewish people and Moslems are not the predominant groups in the country, I would not expect these religious practises to be taking place as the norm, and the fact that they are apparently so widespread, and not done openly, is really quite troubling. What else is going on with my food that I don't know about I wonder?[/p][/quote]its ok for you to be concerned that halal and kosher food is being supplied without your knowledge. But to say it is muslims who demand it and it is creeping sharia is just not right. You didnt say it but a lot of these comments suggest it. The fact at the end of the day is that serving halal without advising is purely a business decision. it is not something we demand. it is not something we ask for. If anything we would prefer that they label it as halal too so we know we can consume it. If they sell halal meat without labelling it as such, muslims arent going to eat there. Where is the logic behind this whole argument? eatmytruth
  • Score: -12

11:07pm Fri 9 May 14

Reed Lover says...

Smeagol wrote:
Using the most humane method of slaughter is, of course, very important. Additionally, I do not like the idea of religion being brought into food production. As a non-religious person, my food being blessed is intrusive and distasteful, and I would really rather it is not. There seems to be a real problem with a lack of openness about food generally (remember the recent horsemeat shenanigans) and it makes me quite concerned about the public being misled or deliberately not informed about all sorts of information about the content and production of food. If we are properly informed, then we can make an informed choice and those who want halal or kosher are welcome to it, and those who do not can go elsewhere. I am all for this type of food being available (i think unless it really is cruel) but given that Jewish people and Moslems are not the predominant groups in the country, I would not expect these religious practises to be taking place as the norm, and the fact that they are apparently so widespread, and not done openly, is really quite troubling. What else is going on with my food that I don't know about I wonder?
In which way is food being blessed "intrusive and distasteful"? It's just a few words that are completely benign and meaningless if you are a non-believer. If you think praying and blessing food has any effect on you then I suggest that you start believing...
[quote][p][bold]Smeagol[/bold] wrote: Using the most humane method of slaughter is, of course, very important. Additionally, I do not like the idea of religion being brought into food production. As a non-religious person, my food being blessed is intrusive and distasteful, and I would really rather it is not. There seems to be a real problem with a lack of openness about food generally (remember the recent horsemeat shenanigans) and it makes me quite concerned about the public being misled or deliberately not informed about all sorts of information about the content and production of food. If we are properly informed, then we can make an informed choice and those who want halal or kosher are welcome to it, and those who do not can go elsewhere. I am all for this type of food being available (i think unless it really is cruel) but given that Jewish people and Moslems are not the predominant groups in the country, I would not expect these religious practises to be taking place as the norm, and the fact that they are apparently so widespread, and not done openly, is really quite troubling. What else is going on with my food that I don't know about I wonder?[/p][/quote]In which way is food being blessed "intrusive and distasteful"? It's just a few words that are completely benign and meaningless if you are a non-believer. If you think praying and blessing food has any effect on you then I suggest that you start believing... Reed Lover
  • Score: -26

11:08pm Fri 9 May 14

Smeagol says...

eatmytruth wrote:
Smeagol wrote:
Using the most humane method of slaughter is, of course, very important. Additionally, I do not like the idea of religion being brought into food production. As a non-religious person, my food being blessed is intrusive and distasteful, and I would really rather it is not. There seems to be a real problem with a lack of openness about food generally (remember the recent horsemeat shenanigans) and it makes me quite concerned about the public being misled or deliberately not informed about all sorts of information about the content and production of food. If we are properly informed, then we can make an informed choice and those who want halal or kosher are welcome to it, and those who do not can go elsewhere. I am all for this type of food being available (i think unless it really is cruel) but given that Jewish people and Moslems are not the predominant groups in the country, I would not expect these religious practises to be taking place as the norm, and the fact that they are apparently so widespread, and not done openly, is really quite troubling. What else is going on with my food that I don't know about I wonder?
its ok for you to be concerned that halal and kosher food is being supplied without your knowledge. But to say it is muslims who demand it and it is creeping sharia is just not right. You didnt say it but a lot of these comments suggest it.
The fact at the end of the day is that serving halal without advising is purely a business decision. it is not something we demand. it is not something we ask for. If anything we would prefer that they label it as halal too so we know we can consume it. If they sell halal meat without labelling it as such, muslims arent going to eat there. Where is the logic behind this whole argument?
Well perhaps one area of agreement for ??everyone, is that labelling should be more clear and open then we all know what's on offer and can make a choice. It would be so nice if everyone could agree on something!
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Smeagol[/bold] wrote: Using the most humane method of slaughter is, of course, very important. Additionally, I do not like the idea of religion being brought into food production. As a non-religious person, my food being blessed is intrusive and distasteful, and I would really rather it is not. There seems to be a real problem with a lack of openness about food generally (remember the recent horsemeat shenanigans) and it makes me quite concerned about the public being misled or deliberately not informed about all sorts of information about the content and production of food. If we are properly informed, then we can make an informed choice and those who want halal or kosher are welcome to it, and those who do not can go elsewhere. I am all for this type of food being available (i think unless it really is cruel) but given that Jewish people and Moslems are not the predominant groups in the country, I would not expect these religious practises to be taking place as the norm, and the fact that they are apparently so widespread, and not done openly, is really quite troubling. What else is going on with my food that I don't know about I wonder?[/p][/quote]its ok for you to be concerned that halal and kosher food is being supplied without your knowledge. But to say it is muslims who demand it and it is creeping sharia is just not right. You didnt say it but a lot of these comments suggest it. The fact at the end of the day is that serving halal without advising is purely a business decision. it is not something we demand. it is not something we ask for. If anything we would prefer that they label it as halal too so we know we can consume it. If they sell halal meat without labelling it as such, muslims arent going to eat there. Where is the logic behind this whole argument?[/p][/quote]Well perhaps one area of agreement for ??everyone, is that labelling should be more clear and open then we all know what's on offer and can make a choice. It would be so nice if everyone could agree on something! Smeagol
  • Score: 3

11:12pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

Reed Lover wrote:
Smeagol wrote:
Using the most humane method of slaughter is, of course, very important. Additionally, I do not like the idea of religion being brought into food production. As a non-religious person, my food being blessed is intrusive and distasteful, and I would really rather it is not. There seems to be a real problem with a lack of openness about food generally (remember the recent horsemeat shenanigans) and it makes me quite concerned about the public being misled or deliberately not informed about all sorts of information about the content and production of food. If we are properly informed, then we can make an informed choice and those who want halal or kosher are welcome to it, and those who do not can go elsewhere. I am all for this type of food being available (i think unless it really is cruel) but given that Jewish people and Moslems are not the predominant groups in the country, I would not expect these religious practises to be taking place as the norm, and the fact that they are apparently so widespread, and not done openly, is really quite troubling. What else is going on with my food that I don't know about I wonder?
In which way is food being blessed "intrusive and distasteful"? It's just a few words that are completely benign and meaningless if you are a non-believer. If you think praying and blessing food has any effect on you then I suggest that you start believing...
youre right it shouldnt make a difference to a non believer if we bless our food. If you were at a table and a christian said grace, would you feel uncomfortable eating? maybe. and youre entitled to your opinion but please think about it logically. what difference would it make to you if somebody took gods name before slaughtering an animal. and i also made a comment earlier about the humane/inhumane. have a read if you can find it. might change your opinion. But the horsemeat scandal thats a whole different thing. thats a different meat altogether and it does have a difference. (wouldnt find that happening in a halal system :p )
[quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Smeagol[/bold] wrote: Using the most humane method of slaughter is, of course, very important. Additionally, I do not like the idea of religion being brought into food production. As a non-religious person, my food being blessed is intrusive and distasteful, and I would really rather it is not. There seems to be a real problem with a lack of openness about food generally (remember the recent horsemeat shenanigans) and it makes me quite concerned about the public being misled or deliberately not informed about all sorts of information about the content and production of food. If we are properly informed, then we can make an informed choice and those who want halal or kosher are welcome to it, and those who do not can go elsewhere. I am all for this type of food being available (i think unless it really is cruel) but given that Jewish people and Moslems are not the predominant groups in the country, I would not expect these religious practises to be taking place as the norm, and the fact that they are apparently so widespread, and not done openly, is really quite troubling. What else is going on with my food that I don't know about I wonder?[/p][/quote]In which way is food being blessed "intrusive and distasteful"? It's just a few words that are completely benign and meaningless if you are a non-believer. If you think praying and blessing food has any effect on you then I suggest that you start believing...[/p][/quote]youre right it shouldnt make a difference to a non believer if we bless our food. If you were at a table and a christian said grace, would you feel uncomfortable eating? maybe. and youre entitled to your opinion but please think about it logically. what difference would it make to you if somebody took gods name before slaughtering an animal. and i also made a comment earlier about the humane/inhumane. have a read if you can find it. might change your opinion. But the horsemeat scandal thats a whole different thing. thats a different meat altogether and it does have a difference. (wouldnt find that happening in a halal system :p ) eatmytruth
  • Score: 4

11:21pm Fri 9 May 14

Jackael says...

eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them
Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.
so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care
Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.
I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !!
Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.
Well that being the case, why dont you go and live where Halal slaughter is the norm i.e. Asia for example and leave us peace and it would save you the expense of importing it !!!
Who should i move to asia? I was born here. Lived here all my life and I am British.
I can eat what I want and when I want how I want. And so can you
It will become all to apparent to you in the near future of actually how British you are not...
define british please.. what makes you british (if thats what you are) and not me?
You're black for starters !!
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them[/p][/quote]Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.[/p][/quote]so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care[/p][/quote]Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.[/p][/quote]I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !![/p][/quote]Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Well that being the case, why dont you go and live where Halal slaughter is the norm i.e. Asia for example and leave us peace and it would save you the expense of importing it !!![/p][/quote]Who should i move to asia? I was born here. Lived here all my life and I am British. I can eat what I want and when I want how I want. And so can you[/p][/quote]It will become all to apparent to you in the near future of actually how British you are not...[/p][/quote]define british please.. what makes you british (if thats what you are) and not me?[/p][/quote]You're black for starters !! Jackael
  • Score: -3

11:22pm Fri 9 May 14

lv8151 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
Thomas222, here is a list of only 14 of the many inventions by muslims which have changed the world.

1. Khalid from Ethiopia invented coffee as we know it today, and it was introduced to london by a turkish man.

2. Ibn Al haitham discovered that light enters the eye and that we don't emit beams from our eyes as it was thought by Romans. This helped to make the first pin hole camera.
(And the basis for some of the theory of today's optometry)

3. Abbas Ibn firnas made the first parachute by attempting to make the first flying machine. He then made a glider whilst trying to make a plane which only failed because it didn't have a tail to land safely. This was 1000 years before the Wright brothers built their plane.

4. Muslims invented soap as we use it today and it was brought to England by a man called mahomed who was appointed as the kings shampoo surgeon. This soap was created because of muslims religious obligations for hygiene.

5. Jabir Ibn hayyan invented liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation and filtration. Therefore he invented modern chemistry and most of todays science is as a result of Ibn Hayyan.

6. Al jazari invented the crankshaft which as you may know is a vital part of combustion engines and allows them to function how they do. He is also widely known as the father of 'robotics' and he made the first mechanical clock. He also made the combination lock.

7. Al zahrawi invented most of the surgical tools used today eg scalpels, forceps and fine scissors. He also developed cateract surgery using hollow needles. He also discovered opiate anaesthetics and medicinal alcohol techniques.

8. A persian caliph (leader of islam) commissioned the first windmill which was vital for raising water in deserts.(500 years before Europeans)

9. A Muslim invented the fountain pen to prevent ink spilling. The way ink is stored in a pen is the thing muslims added to the existing feather pen. And this invention is now used in all pens today.

10. Al khwarizmi invented Algebra which is named after his book Al Jabr. Muslims also invented algorithms and trigonometry. And al kindi made cryptology (deciphering code and languages)

11. Muslims invented carpets in persia by weaving whereas in the west floors were covered in rushes and we're always filthy as dirty things and waste got trapped at the bottom. so they loved carpets when persians brought them carpets.

12. Muslims invented the cheque so that money didn’t have to be carried around through dangerous places. That is the basis of banking as we know it. We use cards so we don’t have to carry cash and we still use cheques today. It was called a Saqq.
13. Heres a good 1. Muslim scholars agreed by the year 900 that the earth is sphere. They based it on the fact that the sun is always vertical to the earth. They calculated the earths circumference (being great mathematicians) and took a globe to the king of sicily in 1139. Galileo was born in 1564.
14. Heres one you will love. Muslims invented the bomb. They took gunpowder (which was invented by the Chinese) and made it pure to be used by military. They invented the torpedo which would be used against ships.
I used an article by the independent news paper and a book called 1001 Inventions: The Enduring Legacy of Muslim Civilization as my sources. If you want to know more about how islam has changed the world, get the book. There was also an exhibition linked to the book not so long ago in Manchester science museum. But you probably don’t see or hear of these things being locked away in your bedroom on BN.

Thankyou for reading and BN if you want to adapt and use this comment for a piece, feel free.
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Windmill
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: Thomas222, here is a list of only 14 of the many inventions by muslims which have changed the world. 1. Khalid from Ethiopia invented coffee as we know it today, and it was introduced to london by a turkish man. 2. Ibn Al haitham discovered that light enters the eye and that we don't emit beams from our eyes as it was thought by Romans. This helped to make the first pin hole camera. (And the basis for some of the theory of today's optometry) 3. Abbas Ibn firnas made the first parachute by attempting to make the first flying machine. He then made a glider whilst trying to make a plane which only failed because it didn't have a tail to land safely. This was 1000 years before the Wright brothers built their plane. 4. Muslims invented soap as we use it today and it was brought to England by a man called mahomed who was appointed as the kings shampoo surgeon. This soap was created because of muslims religious obligations for hygiene. 5. Jabir Ibn hayyan invented liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation and filtration. Therefore he invented modern chemistry and most of todays science is as a result of Ibn Hayyan. 6. Al jazari invented the crankshaft which as you may know is a vital part of combustion engines and allows them to function how they do. He is also widely known as the father of 'robotics' and he made the first mechanical clock. He also made the combination lock. 7. Al zahrawi invented most of the surgical tools used today eg scalpels, forceps and fine scissors. He also developed cateract surgery using hollow needles. He also discovered opiate anaesthetics and medicinal alcohol techniques. 8. A persian caliph (leader of islam) commissioned the first windmill which was vital for raising water in deserts.(500 years before Europeans) 9. A Muslim invented the fountain pen to prevent ink spilling. The way ink is stored in a pen is the thing muslims added to the existing feather pen. And this invention is now used in all pens today. 10. Al khwarizmi invented Algebra which is named after his book Al Jabr. Muslims also invented algorithms and trigonometry. And al kindi made cryptology (deciphering code and languages) 11. Muslims invented carpets in persia by weaving whereas in the west floors were covered in rushes and we're always filthy as dirty things and waste got trapped at the bottom. so they loved carpets when persians brought them carpets. 12. Muslims invented the cheque so that money didn’t have to be carried around through dangerous places. That is the basis of banking as we know it. We use cards so we don’t have to carry cash and we still use cheques today. It was called a Saqq. 13. Heres a good 1. Muslim scholars agreed by the year 900 that the earth is sphere. They based it on the fact that the sun is always vertical to the earth. They calculated the earths circumference (being great mathematicians) and took a globe to the king of sicily in 1139. Galileo was born in 1564. 14. Heres one you will love. Muslims invented the bomb. They took gunpowder (which was invented by the Chinese) and made it pure to be used by military. They invented the torpedo which would be used against ships. I used an article by the independent news paper and a book called 1001 Inventions: The Enduring Legacy of Muslim Civilization as my sources. If you want to know more about how islam has changed the world, get the book. There was also an exhibition linked to the book not so long ago in Manchester science museum. But you probably don’t see or hear of these things being locked away in your bedroom on BN. Thankyou for reading and BN if you want to adapt and use this comment for a piece, feel free.[/p][/quote]http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Windmill lv8151
  • Score: -3

11:24pm Fri 9 May 14

lv8151 says...

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Parachute
http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Parachute lv8151
  • Score: -3

11:25pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them
Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.
so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care
Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.
I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !!
Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.
Well that being the case, why dont you go and live where Halal slaughter is the norm i.e. Asia for example and leave us peace and it would save you the expense of importing it !!!
Who should i move to asia? I was born here. Lived here all my life and I am British.
I can eat what I want and when I want how I want. And so can you
It will become all to apparent to you in the near future of actually how British you are not...
define british please.. what makes you british (if thats what you are) and not me?
You're black for starters !!
1. i'm not 'black'
2. i'm of pakistani descent
3. you probably have a problem with that
4. i love people who are brown, white, black and everything in between (because thats what my religion teaches)
4. i couldn't care less what your racist mind thinks
5. I would make you cry if i ever met you
[quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them[/p][/quote]Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.[/p][/quote]so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care[/p][/quote]Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.[/p][/quote]I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !![/p][/quote]Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Well that being the case, why dont you go and live where Halal slaughter is the norm i.e. Asia for example and leave us peace and it would save you the expense of importing it !!![/p][/quote]Who should i move to asia? I was born here. Lived here all my life and I am British. I can eat what I want and when I want how I want. And so can you[/p][/quote]It will become all to apparent to you in the near future of actually how British you are not...[/p][/quote]define british please.. what makes you british (if thats what you are) and not me?[/p][/quote]You're black for starters !![/p][/quote]1. i'm not 'black' 2. i'm of pakistani descent 3. you probably have a problem with that 4. i love people who are brown, white, black and everything in between (because thats what my religion teaches) 4. i couldn't care less what your racist mind thinks 5. I would make you cry if i ever met you eatmytruth
  • Score: 4

11:25pm Fri 9 May 14

Smeagol says...

eatmytruth wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Smeagol wrote:
Using the most humane method of slaughter is, of course, very important. Additionally, I do not like the idea of religion being brought into food production. As a non-religious person, my food being blessed is intrusive and distasteful, and I would really rather it is not. There seems to be a real problem with a lack of openness about food generally (remember the recent horsemeat shenanigans) and it makes me quite concerned about the public being misled or deliberately not informed about all sorts of information about the content and production of food. If we are properly informed, then we can make an informed choice and those who want halal or kosher are welcome to it, and those who do not can go elsewhere. I am all for this type of food being available (i think unless it really is cruel) but given that Jewish people and Moslems are not the predominant groups in the country, I would not expect these religious practises to be taking place as the norm, and the fact that they are apparently so widespread, and not done openly, is really quite troubling. What else is going on with my food that I don't know about I wonder?
In which way is food being blessed "intrusive and distasteful"? It's just a few words that are completely benign and meaningless if you are a non-believer. If you think praying and blessing food has any effect on you then I suggest that you start believing...
youre right it shouldnt make a difference to a non believer if we bless our food. If you were at a table and a christian said grace, would you feel uncomfortable eating? maybe. and youre entitled to your opinion but please think about it logically. what difference would it make to you if somebody took gods name before slaughtering an animal. and i also made a comment earlier about the humane/inhumane. have a read if you can find it. might change your opinion. But the horsemeat scandal thats a whole different thing. thats a different meat altogether and it does have a difference. (wouldnt find that happening in a halal system :p )
I'm not comfortable with saying grace either, and if it occurred at a meal I was at, I'd sit quietly and not join in. Again, I'd really rather it didn't happen, but I would probably feel better about it for two reasons: one, because I'm just more used to it (school days), and two, because it is done openly and I can either choose to join in or not. That's my main issue really- the openness and ability to make an informed choice.
Perhaps they should just seem like a "few benign and meaningless words" to a non-believer, but I find I'm not comfortable with it. I think it's feeling a religious practise is imposed that I don't like.
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Smeagol[/bold] wrote: Using the most humane method of slaughter is, of course, very important. Additionally, I do not like the idea of religion being brought into food production. As a non-religious person, my food being blessed is intrusive and distasteful, and I would really rather it is not. There seems to be a real problem with a lack of openness about food generally (remember the recent horsemeat shenanigans) and it makes me quite concerned about the public being misled or deliberately not informed about all sorts of information about the content and production of food. If we are properly informed, then we can make an informed choice and those who want halal or kosher are welcome to it, and those who do not can go elsewhere. I am all for this type of food being available (i think unless it really is cruel) but given that Jewish people and Moslems are not the predominant groups in the country, I would not expect these religious practises to be taking place as the norm, and the fact that they are apparently so widespread, and not done openly, is really quite troubling. What else is going on with my food that I don't know about I wonder?[/p][/quote]In which way is food being blessed "intrusive and distasteful"? It's just a few words that are completely benign and meaningless if you are a non-believer. If you think praying and blessing food has any effect on you then I suggest that you start believing...[/p][/quote]youre right it shouldnt make a difference to a non believer if we bless our food. If you were at a table and a christian said grace, would you feel uncomfortable eating? maybe. and youre entitled to your opinion but please think about it logically. what difference would it make to you if somebody took gods name before slaughtering an animal. and i also made a comment earlier about the humane/inhumane. have a read if you can find it. might change your opinion. But the horsemeat scandal thats a whole different thing. thats a different meat altogether and it does have a difference. (wouldnt find that happening in a halal system :p )[/p][/quote]I'm not comfortable with saying grace either, and if it occurred at a meal I was at, I'd sit quietly and not join in. Again, I'd really rather it didn't happen, but I would probably feel better about it for two reasons: one, because I'm just more used to it (school days), and two, because it is done openly and I can either choose to join in or not. That's my main issue really- the openness and ability to make an informed choice. Perhaps they should just seem like a "few benign and meaningless words" to a non-believer, but I find I'm not comfortable with it. I think it's feeling a religious practise is imposed that I don't like. Smeagol
  • Score: 6

11:27pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Thomas222, here is a list of only 14 of the many inventions by muslims which have changed the world.

1. Khalid from Ethiopia invented coffee as we know it today, and it was introduced to london by a turkish man.

2. Ibn Al haitham discovered that light enters the eye and that we don't emit beams from our eyes as it was thought by Romans. This helped to make the first pin hole camera.
(And the basis for some of the theory of today's optometry)

3. Abbas Ibn firnas made the first parachute by attempting to make the first flying machine. He then made a glider whilst trying to make a plane which only failed because it didn't have a tail to land safely. This was 1000 years before the Wright brothers built their plane.

4. Muslims invented soap as we use it today and it was brought to England by a man called mahomed who was appointed as the kings shampoo surgeon. This soap was created because of muslims religious obligations for hygiene.

5. Jabir Ibn hayyan invented liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation and filtration. Therefore he invented modern chemistry and most of todays science is as a result of Ibn Hayyan.

6. Al jazari invented the crankshaft which as you may know is a vital part of combustion engines and allows them to function how they do. He is also widely known as the father of 'robotics' and he made the first mechanical clock. He also made the combination lock.

7. Al zahrawi invented most of the surgical tools used today eg scalpels, forceps and fine scissors. He also developed cateract surgery using hollow needles. He also discovered opiate anaesthetics and medicinal alcohol techniques.

8. A persian caliph (leader of islam) commissioned the first windmill which was vital for raising water in deserts.(500 years before Europeans)

9. A Muslim invented the fountain pen to prevent ink spilling. The way ink is stored in a pen is the thing muslims added to the existing feather pen. And this invention is now used in all pens today.

10. Al khwarizmi invented Algebra which is named after his book Al Jabr. Muslims also invented algorithms and trigonometry. And al kindi made cryptology (deciphering code and languages)

11. Muslims invented carpets in persia by weaving whereas in the west floors were covered in rushes and we're always filthy as dirty things and waste got trapped at the bottom. so they loved carpets when persians brought them carpets.

12. Muslims invented the cheque so that money didn’t have to be carried around through dangerous places. That is the basis of banking as we know it. We use cards so we don’t have to carry cash and we still use cheques today. It was called a Saqq.
13. Heres a good 1. Muslim scholars agreed by the year 900 that the earth is sphere. They based it on the fact that the sun is always vertical to the earth. They calculated the earths circumference (being great mathematicians) and took a globe to the king of sicily in 1139. Galileo was born in 1564.
14. Heres one you will love. Muslims invented the bomb. They took gunpowder (which was invented by the Chinese) and made it pure to be used by military. They invented the torpedo which would be used against ships.
I used an article by the independent news paper and a book called 1001 Inventions: The Enduring Legacy of Muslim Civilization as my sources. If you want to know more about how islam has changed the world, get the book. There was also an exhibition linked to the book not so long ago in Manchester science museum. But you probably don’t see or hear of these things being locked away in your bedroom on BN.

Thankyou for reading and BN if you want to adapt and use this comment for a piece, feel free.
http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/Windmill
from your own source: The first practical windmills had sails that rotated in a horizontal plane, around a vertical axis. According to Ahmad Y. al-Hassan, these panemone windmills were invented in eastern Persia as recorded by the Persian geographer Estakhri in the ninth century.
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: Thomas222, here is a list of only 14 of the many inventions by muslims which have changed the world. 1. Khalid from Ethiopia invented coffee as we know it today, and it was introduced to london by a turkish man. 2. Ibn Al haitham discovered that light enters the eye and that we don't emit beams from our eyes as it was thought by Romans. This helped to make the first pin hole camera. (And the basis for some of the theory of today's optometry) 3. Abbas Ibn firnas made the first parachute by attempting to make the first flying machine. He then made a glider whilst trying to make a plane which only failed because it didn't have a tail to land safely. This was 1000 years before the Wright brothers built their plane. 4. Muslims invented soap as we use it today and it was brought to England by a man called mahomed who was appointed as the kings shampoo surgeon. This soap was created because of muslims religious obligations for hygiene. 5. Jabir Ibn hayyan invented liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation and filtration. Therefore he invented modern chemistry and most of todays science is as a result of Ibn Hayyan. 6. Al jazari invented the crankshaft which as you may know is a vital part of combustion engines and allows them to function how they do. He is also widely known as the father of 'robotics' and he made the first mechanical clock. He also made the combination lock. 7. Al zahrawi invented most of the surgical tools used today eg scalpels, forceps and fine scissors. He also developed cateract surgery using hollow needles. He also discovered opiate anaesthetics and medicinal alcohol techniques. 8. A persian caliph (leader of islam) commissioned the first windmill which was vital for raising water in deserts.(500 years before Europeans) 9. A Muslim invented the fountain pen to prevent ink spilling. The way ink is stored in a pen is the thing muslims added to the existing feather pen. And this invention is now used in all pens today. 10. Al khwarizmi invented Algebra which is named after his book Al Jabr. Muslims also invented algorithms and trigonometry. And al kindi made cryptology (deciphering code and languages) 11. Muslims invented carpets in persia by weaving whereas in the west floors were covered in rushes and we're always filthy as dirty things and waste got trapped at the bottom. so they loved carpets when persians brought them carpets. 12. Muslims invented the cheque so that money didn’t have to be carried around through dangerous places. That is the basis of banking as we know it. We use cards so we don’t have to carry cash and we still use cheques today. It was called a Saqq. 13. Heres a good 1. Muslim scholars agreed by the year 900 that the earth is sphere. They based it on the fact that the sun is always vertical to the earth. They calculated the earths circumference (being great mathematicians) and took a globe to the king of sicily in 1139. Galileo was born in 1564. 14. Heres one you will love. Muslims invented the bomb. They took gunpowder (which was invented by the Chinese) and made it pure to be used by military. They invented the torpedo which would be used against ships. I used an article by the independent news paper and a book called 1001 Inventions: The Enduring Legacy of Muslim Civilization as my sources. If you want to know more about how islam has changed the world, get the book. There was also an exhibition linked to the book not so long ago in Manchester science museum. But you probably don’t see or hear of these things being locked away in your bedroom on BN. Thankyou for reading and BN if you want to adapt and use this comment for a piece, feel free.[/p][/quote]http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Windmill[/p][/quote]from your own source: The first practical windmills had sails that rotated in a horizontal plane, around a vertical axis.[8] According to Ahmad Y. al-Hassan, these panemone windmills were invented in eastern Persia as recorded by the Persian geographer Estakhri in the ninth century. eatmytruth
  • Score: 6

11:29pm Fri 9 May 14

Smeagol says...

Oh yes, and I will read your earlier post about the humane issue, as I really don't know much about that side of things.
Oh yes, and I will read your earlier post about the humane issue, as I really don't know much about that side of things. Smeagol
  • Score: 2

11:31pm Fri 9 May 14

lv8151 says...

how do you invent liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation ..... so before he (invented) oxidisation did nothing oxidise ? before he invented evaporation did nothing evaporate ?
how do you invent liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation ..... so before he (invented) oxidisation did nothing oxidise ? before he invented evaporation did nothing evaporate ? lv8151
  • Score: -3

11:32pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

lv8151 wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/Parachute
from the 9th century:
According to some secondary sources, about 20 years before Ibn Firnas attempted to fly he witnessed Firman as he wrapped himself in a loose cloak stiffened with wooden struts and jumped from a tower in Córdoba, intending to use the garment as wings on which he could glide. The alleged attempt at flight was unsuccessful, but the garment slowed his fall enough that he only sustained minor injuries. (< a parachute - just because western inventors do not want to recognise it as a parachute, doesn't mean it isn't one.)
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Parachute[/p][/quote]from the 9th century: According to some secondary sources, about 20 years before Ibn Firnas attempted to fly he witnessed Firman as he wrapped himself in a loose cloak stiffened with wooden struts and jumped from a tower in Córdoba, intending to use the garment as wings on which he could glide. The alleged attempt at flight was unsuccessful, but the garment slowed his fall enough that he only sustained minor injuries. (< a parachute - just because western inventors do not want to recognise it as a parachute, doesn't mean it isn't one.) eatmytruth
  • Score: 8

11:34pm Fri 9 May 14

lv8151 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Thomas222, here is a list of only 14 of the many inventions by muslims which have changed the world.

1. Khalid from Ethiopia invented coffee as we know it today, and it was introduced to london by a turkish man.

2. Ibn Al haitham discovered that light enters the eye and that we don't emit beams from our eyes as it was thought by Romans. This helped to make the first pin hole camera.
(And the basis for some of the theory of today's optometry)

3. Abbas Ibn firnas made the first parachute by attempting to make the first flying machine. He then made a glider whilst trying to make a plane which only failed because it didn't have a tail to land safely. This was 1000 years before the Wright brothers built their plane.

4. Muslims invented soap as we use it today and it was brought to England by a man called mahomed who was appointed as the kings shampoo surgeon. This soap was created because of muslims religious obligations for hygiene.

5. Jabir Ibn hayyan invented liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation and filtration. Therefore he invented modern chemistry and most of todays science is as a result of Ibn Hayyan.

6. Al jazari invented the crankshaft which as you may know is a vital part of combustion engines and allows them to function how they do. He is also widely known as the father of 'robotics' and he made the first mechanical clock. He also made the combination lock.

7. Al zahrawi invented most of the surgical tools used today eg scalpels, forceps and fine scissors. He also developed cateract surgery using hollow needles. He also discovered opiate anaesthetics and medicinal alcohol techniques.

8. A persian caliph (leader of islam) commissioned the first windmill which was vital for raising water in deserts.(500 years before Europeans)

9. A Muslim invented the fountain pen to prevent ink spilling. The way ink is stored in a pen is the thing muslims added to the existing feather pen. And this invention is now used in all pens today.

10. Al khwarizmi invented Algebra which is named after his book Al Jabr. Muslims also invented algorithms and trigonometry. And al kindi made cryptology (deciphering code and languages)

11. Muslims invented carpets in persia by weaving whereas in the west floors were covered in rushes and we're always filthy as dirty things and waste got trapped at the bottom. so they loved carpets when persians brought them carpets.

12. Muslims invented the cheque so that money didn’t have to be carried around through dangerous places. That is the basis of banking as we know it. We use cards so we don’t have to carry cash and we still use cheques today. It was called a Saqq.
13. Heres a good 1. Muslim scholars agreed by the year 900 that the earth is sphere. They based it on the fact that the sun is always vertical to the earth. They calculated the earths circumference (being great mathematicians) and took a globe to the king of sicily in 1139. Galileo was born in 1564.
14. Heres one you will love. Muslims invented the bomb. They took gunpowder (which was invented by the Chinese) and made it pure to be used by military. They invented the torpedo which would be used against ships.
I used an article by the independent news paper and a book called 1001 Inventions: The Enduring Legacy of Muslim Civilization as my sources. If you want to know more about how islam has changed the world, get the book. There was also an exhibition linked to the book not so long ago in Manchester science museum. But you probably don’t see or hear of these things being locked away in your bedroom on BN.

Thankyou for reading and BN if you want to adapt and use this comment for a piece, feel free.
http://en.wikipedia.


org/wiki/Windmill
from your own source: The first practical windmills had sails that rotated in a horizontal plane, around a vertical axis. According to Ahmad Y. al-Hassan, these panemone windmills were invented in eastern Persia as recorded by the Persian geographer Estakhri in the ninth century.
read again .... Windmills in antiquity
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: Thomas222, here is a list of only 14 of the many inventions by muslims which have changed the world. 1. Khalid from Ethiopia invented coffee as we know it today, and it was introduced to london by a turkish man. 2. Ibn Al haitham discovered that light enters the eye and that we don't emit beams from our eyes as it was thought by Romans. This helped to make the first pin hole camera. (And the basis for some of the theory of today's optometry) 3. Abbas Ibn firnas made the first parachute by attempting to make the first flying machine. He then made a glider whilst trying to make a plane which only failed because it didn't have a tail to land safely. This was 1000 years before the Wright brothers built their plane. 4. Muslims invented soap as we use it today and it was brought to England by a man called mahomed who was appointed as the kings shampoo surgeon. This soap was created because of muslims religious obligations for hygiene. 5. Jabir Ibn hayyan invented liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation and filtration. Therefore he invented modern chemistry and most of todays science is as a result of Ibn Hayyan. 6. Al jazari invented the crankshaft which as you may know is a vital part of combustion engines and allows them to function how they do. He is also widely known as the father of 'robotics' and he made the first mechanical clock. He also made the combination lock. 7. Al zahrawi invented most of the surgical tools used today eg scalpels, forceps and fine scissors. He also developed cateract surgery using hollow needles. He also discovered opiate anaesthetics and medicinal alcohol techniques. 8. A persian caliph (leader of islam) commissioned the first windmill which was vital for raising water in deserts.(500 years before Europeans) 9. A Muslim invented the fountain pen to prevent ink spilling. The way ink is stored in a pen is the thing muslims added to the existing feather pen. And this invention is now used in all pens today. 10. Al khwarizmi invented Algebra which is named after his book Al Jabr. Muslims also invented algorithms and trigonometry. And al kindi made cryptology (deciphering code and languages) 11. Muslims invented carpets in persia by weaving whereas in the west floors were covered in rushes and we're always filthy as dirty things and waste got trapped at the bottom. so they loved carpets when persians brought them carpets. 12. Muslims invented the cheque so that money didn’t have to be carried around through dangerous places. That is the basis of banking as we know it. We use cards so we don’t have to carry cash and we still use cheques today. It was called a Saqq. 13. Heres a good 1. Muslim scholars agreed by the year 900 that the earth is sphere. They based it on the fact that the sun is always vertical to the earth. They calculated the earths circumference (being great mathematicians) and took a globe to the king of sicily in 1139. Galileo was born in 1564. 14. Heres one you will love. Muslims invented the bomb. They took gunpowder (which was invented by the Chinese) and made it pure to be used by military. They invented the torpedo which would be used against ships. I used an article by the independent news paper and a book called 1001 Inventions: The Enduring Legacy of Muslim Civilization as my sources. If you want to know more about how islam has changed the world, get the book. There was also an exhibition linked to the book not so long ago in Manchester science museum. But you probably don’t see or hear of these things being locked away in your bedroom on BN. Thankyou for reading and BN if you want to adapt and use this comment for a piece, feel free.[/p][/quote]http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Windmill[/p][/quote]from your own source: The first practical windmills had sails that rotated in a horizontal plane, around a vertical axis.[8] According to Ahmad Y. al-Hassan, these panemone windmills were invented in eastern Persia as recorded by the Persian geographer Estakhri in the ninth century.[/p][/quote]read again .... Windmills in antiquity lv8151
  • Score: -4

11:36pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

lv8151 wrote:
how do you invent liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation ..... so before he (invented) oxidisation did nothing oxidise ? before he invented evaporation did nothing evaporate ?
fine you got me there with the wrong word. . he discovered it, defined it, taught it, used it to make more discoveries. He did invent the study of chemistry though
Google this name, Abbas ibn Firnas. He was the first man to attempt to fly. a VERY long time before westerners. He did too but he crashed on landing because he didnt have a tail. He started off the discovery of aviation. That is one of the most important of today.

Tell me some western inventions that are possible without inventions by muslims?
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: how do you invent liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation ..... so before he (invented) oxidisation did nothing oxidise ? before he invented evaporation did nothing evaporate ?[/p][/quote]fine you got me there with the wrong word. . he discovered it, defined it, taught it, used it to make more discoveries. He did invent the study of chemistry though Google this name, Abbas ibn Firnas. He was the first man to attempt to fly. a VERY long time before westerners. He did too but he crashed on landing because he didnt have a tail. He started off the discovery of aviation. That is one of the most important of today. Tell me some western inventions that are possible without inventions by muslims? eatmytruth
  • Score: 6

11:42pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Thomas222, here is a list of only 14 of the many inventions by muslims which have changed the world.

1. Khalid from Ethiopia invented coffee as we know it today, and it was introduced to london by a turkish man.

2. Ibn Al haitham discovered that light enters the eye and that we don't emit beams from our eyes as it was thought by Romans. This helped to make the first pin hole camera.
(And the basis for some of the theory of today's optometry)

3. Abbas Ibn firnas made the first parachute by attempting to make the first flying machine. He then made a glider whilst trying to make a plane which only failed because it didn't have a tail to land safely. This was 1000 years before the Wright brothers built their plane.

4. Muslims invented soap as we use it today and it was brought to England by a man called mahomed who was appointed as the kings shampoo surgeon. This soap was created because of muslims religious obligations for hygiene.

5. Jabir Ibn hayyan invented liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation and filtration. Therefore he invented modern chemistry and most of todays science is as a result of Ibn Hayyan.

6. Al jazari invented the crankshaft which as you may know is a vital part of combustion engines and allows them to function how they do. He is also widely known as the father of 'robotics' and he made the first mechanical clock. He also made the combination lock.

7. Al zahrawi invented most of the surgical tools used today eg scalpels, forceps and fine scissors. He also developed cateract surgery using hollow needles. He also discovered opiate anaesthetics and medicinal alcohol techniques.

8. A persian caliph (leader of islam) commissioned the first windmill which was vital for raising water in deserts.(500 years before Europeans)

9. A Muslim invented the fountain pen to prevent ink spilling. The way ink is stored in a pen is the thing muslims added to the existing feather pen. And this invention is now used in all pens today.

10. Al khwarizmi invented Algebra which is named after his book Al Jabr. Muslims also invented algorithms and trigonometry. And al kindi made cryptology (deciphering code and languages)

11. Muslims invented carpets in persia by weaving whereas in the west floors were covered in rushes and we're always filthy as dirty things and waste got trapped at the bottom. so they loved carpets when persians brought them carpets.

12. Muslims invented the cheque so that money didn’t have to be carried around through dangerous places. That is the basis of banking as we know it. We use cards so we don’t have to carry cash and we still use cheques today. It was called a Saqq.
13. Heres a good 1. Muslim scholars agreed by the year 900 that the earth is sphere. They based it on the fact that the sun is always vertical to the earth. They calculated the earths circumference (being great mathematicians) and took a globe to the king of sicily in 1139. Galileo was born in 1564.
14. Heres one you will love. Muslims invented the bomb. They took gunpowder (which was invented by the Chinese) and made it pure to be used by military. They invented the torpedo which would be used against ships.
I used an article by the independent news paper and a book called 1001 Inventions: The Enduring Legacy of Muslim Civilization as my sources. If you want to know more about how islam has changed the world, get the book. There was also an exhibition linked to the book not so long ago in Manchester science museum. But you probably don’t see or hear of these things being locked away in your bedroom on BN.

Thankyou for reading and BN if you want to adapt and use this comment for a piece, feel free.
http://en.wikipedia.



org/wiki/Windmill
from your own source: The first practical windmills had sails that rotated in a horizontal plane, around a vertical axis. According to Ahmad Y. al-Hassan, these panemone windmills were invented in eastern Persia as recorded by the Persian geographer Estakhri in the ninth century.
read again .... Windmills in antiquity
you read again. Hero invented a wheel that turns by wind. That is not a windmill. a wind mill is a MILL, which grinds corn, grains etc.
hence, 'the first practical windmills' and so on...
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: Thomas222, here is a list of only 14 of the many inventions by muslims which have changed the world. 1. Khalid from Ethiopia invented coffee as we know it today, and it was introduced to london by a turkish man. 2. Ibn Al haitham discovered that light enters the eye and that we don't emit beams from our eyes as it was thought by Romans. This helped to make the first pin hole camera. (And the basis for some of the theory of today's optometry) 3. Abbas Ibn firnas made the first parachute by attempting to make the first flying machine. He then made a glider whilst trying to make a plane which only failed because it didn't have a tail to land safely. This was 1000 years before the Wright brothers built their plane. 4. Muslims invented soap as we use it today and it was brought to England by a man called mahomed who was appointed as the kings shampoo surgeon. This soap was created because of muslims religious obligations for hygiene. 5. Jabir Ibn hayyan invented liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation and filtration. Therefore he invented modern chemistry and most of todays science is as a result of Ibn Hayyan. 6. Al jazari invented the crankshaft which as you may know is a vital part of combustion engines and allows them to function how they do. He is also widely known as the father of 'robotics' and he made the first mechanical clock. He also made the combination lock. 7. Al zahrawi invented most of the surgical tools used today eg scalpels, forceps and fine scissors. He also developed cateract surgery using hollow needles. He also discovered opiate anaesthetics and medicinal alcohol techniques. 8. A persian caliph (leader of islam) commissioned the first windmill which was vital for raising water in deserts.(500 years before Europeans) 9. A Muslim invented the fountain pen to prevent ink spilling. The way ink is stored in a pen is the thing muslims added to the existing feather pen. And this invention is now used in all pens today. 10. Al khwarizmi invented Algebra which is named after his book Al Jabr. Muslims also invented algorithms and trigonometry. And al kindi made cryptology (deciphering code and languages) 11. Muslims invented carpets in persia by weaving whereas in the west floors were covered in rushes and we're always filthy as dirty things and waste got trapped at the bottom. so they loved carpets when persians brought them carpets. 12. Muslims invented the cheque so that money didn’t have to be carried around through dangerous places. That is the basis of banking as we know it. We use cards so we don’t have to carry cash and we still use cheques today. It was called a Saqq. 13. Heres a good 1. Muslim scholars agreed by the year 900 that the earth is sphere. They based it on the fact that the sun is always vertical to the earth. They calculated the earths circumference (being great mathematicians) and took a globe to the king of sicily in 1139. Galileo was born in 1564. 14. Heres one you will love. Muslims invented the bomb. They took gunpowder (which was invented by the Chinese) and made it pure to be used by military. They invented the torpedo which would be used against ships. I used an article by the independent news paper and a book called 1001 Inventions: The Enduring Legacy of Muslim Civilization as my sources. If you want to know more about how islam has changed the world, get the book. There was also an exhibition linked to the book not so long ago in Manchester science museum. But you probably don’t see or hear of these things being locked away in your bedroom on BN. Thankyou for reading and BN if you want to adapt and use this comment for a piece, feel free.[/p][/quote]http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Windmill[/p][/quote]from your own source: The first practical windmills had sails that rotated in a horizontal plane, around a vertical axis.[8] According to Ahmad Y. al-Hassan, these panemone windmills were invented in eastern Persia as recorded by the Persian geographer Estakhri in the ninth century.[/p][/quote]read again .... Windmills in antiquity[/p][/quote]you read again. Hero invented a wheel that turns by wind. That is not a windmill. a wind mill is a MILL, which grinds corn, grains etc. hence, 'the first practical windmills' and so on... eatmytruth
  • Score: 6

11:46pm Fri 9 May 14

lv8151 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
how do you invent liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation ..... so before he (invented) oxidisation did nothing oxidise ? before he invented evaporation did nothing evaporate ?
fine you got me there with the wrong word. . he discovered it, defined it, taught it, used it to make more discoveries. He did invent the study of chemistry though
Google this name, Abbas ibn Firnas. He was the first man to attempt to fly. a VERY long time before westerners. He did too but he crashed on landing because he didnt have a tail. He started off the discovery of aviation. That is one of the most important of today.

Tell me some western inventions that are possible without inventions by muslims?
internet , internal combustion engine , cant be arsed just google it lol
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: how do you invent liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation ..... so before he (invented) oxidisation did nothing oxidise ? before he invented evaporation did nothing evaporate ?[/p][/quote]fine you got me there with the wrong word. . he discovered it, defined it, taught it, used it to make more discoveries. He did invent the study of chemistry though Google this name, Abbas ibn Firnas. He was the first man to attempt to fly. a VERY long time before westerners. He did too but he crashed on landing because he didnt have a tail. He started off the discovery of aviation. That is one of the most important of today. Tell me some western inventions that are possible without inventions by muslims?[/p][/quote]internet , internal combustion engine , cant be arsed just google it lol lv8151
  • Score: 0

11:56pm Fri 9 May 14

eatmytruth says...

Smeagol wrote:
Oh yes, and I will read your earlier post about the humane issue, as I really don't know much about that side of things.
I will summarise it for you here.

it was basically a comparission of the 2 methods ie stunning and non stunning and the logic behind the islamic ruling on animal slaughter.

Firstly Muhammad (SAW) was an wholly against animal suffering and cruelty. He taught the following rules,

The knife used must be extremely sharp. So sharp that you wouldnt feel pain if you slice your finger. I have experienced cutting my finger whilst chopping veg and didnt know till way later whilst washing my hands. Its true, a very sharp knife doesnt hurt straight away (try it if youre daring),

Secondly the cut must be through the vital tubes in the throat to ensure immediate death. This means by the time an animal can realise it has been cut, it is already dead.

Thirdly the abbatoir must stand behind the animal and not let it see the knife, that way the animal has no idea what is about to happen, that means it doesnt panic, it doesnt feel the cut and it doesnt struggle.

Fourthly the slaughtering must not take place where other animals of the same species can see it. The reason being that the other animals will suffer from panic and become stressed.

Fifthly we must take Gods name because all creatures belong to God and we are using them for food. Christians say grace at the table, we do it at slaughter, Jews do it exactly the same as muslims. (which is why it is acceptable to eat Kosher meat if it is slaughtered by orthodox jews who still practice the original teachings of the torah) and if christians still maintained the bible and followed the method given in it, we would be allowed to eat their meat too.

Praying on the food doesnt affect the meat itself, it affects the accountability of it. Think of it as taking Gods permission before you kill one of his creatures for food, and thanking him at the same time for providing nourishment.

This is just what i picked up from quick research. there are more points to it eg not doing it at a stone altar as it becomes sort of worship, and there are specifics around using hunting dogs and specific rulings around guns and spears (one shot kills only to minimise suffering)
but the basics are what i wrote further up.
Hope that helps in some way.

As for the modern method.
Animals are mistreated first of all, they are shackled and hung upside down, straight away inducing panic. theyre dipped in a water bath which is electrified (this is painful) and i dont see it as humane at all. Some animals might regain consciousness, some might die from the shock, some might not be unconcious, some might actually be unconscious as intended, theres no guarantee. Then they are decapitated by a rotary blade.

Now if you were the bird, would you rather be hung by your feet, hearing all the whizzing and squaking and banging and buzzing electricity whilst seeing fellow chickens being killed before being dipped in water and having your brain blown. Or would you rather not have a clue and all of a sudden somebody holds your neck and it all goes dark very quickly?

just because the rspca says halal is inhumane without stunning, it doesnt mean it is. Make your own judgement call, and i would like some feedback if you dont mind.
[quote][p][bold]Smeagol[/bold] wrote: Oh yes, and I will read your earlier post about the humane issue, as I really don't know much about that side of things.[/p][/quote]I will summarise it for you here. it was basically a comparission of the 2 methods ie stunning and non stunning and the logic behind the islamic ruling on animal slaughter. Firstly Muhammad (SAW) was an wholly against animal suffering and cruelty. He taught the following rules, The knife used must be extremely sharp. So sharp that you wouldnt feel pain if you slice your finger. I have experienced cutting my finger whilst chopping veg and didnt know till way later whilst washing my hands. Its true, a very sharp knife doesnt hurt straight away (try it if youre daring), Secondly the cut must be through the vital tubes in the throat to ensure immediate death. This means by the time an animal can realise it has been cut, it is already dead. Thirdly the abbatoir must stand behind the animal and not let it see the knife, that way the animal has no idea what is about to happen, that means it doesnt panic, it doesnt feel the cut and it doesnt struggle. Fourthly the slaughtering must not take place where other animals of the same species can see it. The reason being that the other animals will suffer from panic and become stressed. Fifthly we must take Gods name because all creatures belong to God and we are using them for food. Christians say grace at the table, we do it at slaughter, Jews do it exactly the same as muslims. (which is why it is acceptable to eat Kosher meat if it is slaughtered by orthodox jews who still practice the original teachings of the torah) and if christians still maintained the bible and followed the method given in it, we would be allowed to eat their meat too. Praying on the food doesnt affect the meat itself, it affects the accountability of it. Think of it as taking Gods permission before you kill one of his creatures for food, and thanking him at the same time for providing nourishment. This is just what i picked up from quick research. there are more points to it eg not doing it at a stone altar as it becomes sort of worship, and there are specifics around using hunting dogs and specific rulings around guns and spears (one shot kills only to minimise suffering) but the basics are what i wrote further up. Hope that helps in some way. As for the modern method. Animals are mistreated first of all, they are shackled and hung upside down, straight away inducing panic. theyre dipped in a water bath which is electrified (this is painful) and i dont see it as humane at all. Some animals might regain consciousness, some might die from the shock, some might not be unconcious, some might actually be unconscious as intended, theres no guarantee. Then they are decapitated by a rotary blade. Now if you were the bird, would you rather be hung by your feet, hearing all the whizzing and squaking and banging and buzzing electricity whilst seeing fellow chickens being killed before being dipped in water and having your brain blown. Or would you rather not have a clue and all of a sudden somebody holds your neck and it all goes dark very quickly? just because the rspca says halal is inhumane without stunning, it doesnt mean it is. Make your own judgement call, and i would like some feedback if you dont mind. eatmytruth
  • Score: 5

11:59pm Fri 9 May 14

Comment777 says...

Here is the problem.

From this news article

What Islamic law allows

Halal is the Arabic word for lawful or permitted. It is a broad term covering what is allowed in the context of Islamic law but is often used in conjunction with the issue of how meat is dealt with.
Traditional halal meat is killed by hand and must be blessed by the slaughterman. Islam has strict laws on the proper method of slaughtering an animal.
One, called dhabihah, requires a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck that cuts the jugular vein.
For meat to be considered halal the animal must be alive and healthy before it is killed, and all the blood must be drained from the body.

Most right thinking Christian people do not want any influence in their lives from Islamic law.

Boycott Pizza Express, Subway and any other establishment that offers meat products from animals slaughtered in this Barbaric manner. What next, the stoning of women buried to their necks in a street near you.
Here is the problem. From this news article What Islamic law allows Halal is the Arabic word for lawful or permitted. It is a broad term covering what is allowed in the context of Islamic law but is often used in conjunction with the issue of how meat is dealt with. Traditional halal meat is killed by hand and must be blessed by the slaughterman. Islam has strict laws on the proper method of slaughtering an animal. One, called dhabihah, requires a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck that cuts the jugular vein. For meat to be considered halal the animal must be alive and healthy before it is killed, and all the blood must be drained from the body. Most right thinking Christian people do not want any influence in their lives from Islamic law. Boycott Pizza Express, Subway and any other establishment that offers meat products from animals slaughtered in this Barbaric manner. What next, the stoning of women buried to their necks in a street near you. Comment777
  • Score: 0

12:02am Sat 10 May 14

Comment777 says...

Reed Lover wrote:
Racist hysteria, no more no less.
The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.
I care. Anyone else????
[quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: Racist hysteria, no more no less. The vast majority of people do not care how the produce they eat gets to their supermarket or high street butchers. There is nothing portentous or symbolic about these firms using Halal meat other than a business division designed to maximise profits. The disingenuousness of the UK media is stunning. People need to wake up to how they are being manipulated and stop being sheep.[/p][/quote]I care. Anyone else???? Comment777
  • Score: 0

12:03am Sat 10 May 14

lv8151 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
Smeagol wrote:
Oh yes, and I will read your earlier post about the humane issue, as I really don't know much about that side of things.
I will summarise it for you here.

it was basically a comparission of the 2 methods ie stunning and non stunning and the logic behind the islamic ruling on animal slaughter.

Firstly Muhammad (SAW) was an wholly against animal suffering and cruelty. He taught the following rules,

The knife used must be extremely sharp. So sharp that you wouldnt feel pain if you slice your finger. I have experienced cutting my finger whilst chopping veg and didnt know till way later whilst washing my hands. Its true, a very sharp knife doesnt hurt straight away (try it if youre daring),

Secondly the cut must be through the vital tubes in the throat to ensure immediate death. This means by the time an animal can realise it has been cut, it is already dead.

Thirdly the abbatoir must stand behind the animal and not let it see the knife, that way the animal has no idea what is about to happen, that means it doesnt panic, it doesnt feel the cut and it doesnt struggle.

Fourthly the slaughtering must not take place where other animals of the same species can see it. The reason being that the other animals will suffer from panic and become stressed.

Fifthly we must take Gods name because all creatures belong to God and we are using them for food. Christians say grace at the table, we do it at slaughter, Jews do it exactly the same as muslims. (which is why it is acceptable to eat Kosher meat if it is slaughtered by orthodox jews who still practice the original teachings of the torah) and if christians still maintained the bible and followed the method given in it, we would be allowed to eat their meat too.

Praying on the food doesnt affect the meat itself, it affects the accountability of it. Think of it as taking Gods permission before you kill one of his creatures for food, and thanking him at the same time for providing nourishment.

This is just what i picked up from quick research. there are more points to it eg not doing it at a stone altar as it becomes sort of worship, and there are specifics around using hunting dogs and specific rulings around guns and spears (one shot kills only to minimise suffering)
but the basics are what i wrote further up.
Hope that helps in some way.

As for the modern method.
Animals are mistreated first of all, they are shackled and hung upside down, straight away inducing panic. theyre dipped in a water bath which is electrified (this is painful) and i dont see it as humane at all. Some animals might regain consciousness, some might die from the shock, some might not be unconcious, some might actually be unconscious as intended, theres no guarantee. Then they are decapitated by a rotary blade.

Now if you were the bird, would you rather be hung by your feet, hearing all the whizzing and squaking and banging and buzzing electricity whilst seeing fellow chickens being killed before being dipped in water and having your brain blown. Or would you rather not have a clue and all of a sudden somebody holds your neck and it all goes dark very quickly?

just because the rspca says halal is inhumane without stunning, it doesnt mean it is. Make your own judgement call, and i would like some feedback if you dont mind.
a bit of feed back :)
http://www.liveleak.
com/view?i=545_13458
00806#8S3kLX5tzPUEX2
6b.01
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Smeagol[/bold] wrote: Oh yes, and I will read your earlier post about the humane issue, as I really don't know much about that side of things.[/p][/quote]I will summarise it for you here. it was basically a comparission of the 2 methods ie stunning and non stunning and the logic behind the islamic ruling on animal slaughter. Firstly Muhammad (SAW) was an wholly against animal suffering and cruelty. He taught the following rules, The knife used must be extremely sharp. So sharp that you wouldnt feel pain if you slice your finger. I have experienced cutting my finger whilst chopping veg and didnt know till way later whilst washing my hands. Its true, a very sharp knife doesnt hurt straight away (try it if youre daring), Secondly the cut must be through the vital tubes in the throat to ensure immediate death. This means by the time an animal can realise it has been cut, it is already dead. Thirdly the abbatoir must stand behind the animal and not let it see the knife, that way the animal has no idea what is about to happen, that means it doesnt panic, it doesnt feel the cut and it doesnt struggle. Fourthly the slaughtering must not take place where other animals of the same species can see it. The reason being that the other animals will suffer from panic and become stressed. Fifthly we must take Gods name because all creatures belong to God and we are using them for food. Christians say grace at the table, we do it at slaughter, Jews do it exactly the same as muslims. (which is why it is acceptable to eat Kosher meat if it is slaughtered by orthodox jews who still practice the original teachings of the torah) and if christians still maintained the bible and followed the method given in it, we would be allowed to eat their meat too. Praying on the food doesnt affect the meat itself, it affects the accountability of it. Think of it as taking Gods permission before you kill one of his creatures for food, and thanking him at the same time for providing nourishment. This is just what i picked up from quick research. there are more points to it eg not doing it at a stone altar as it becomes sort of worship, and there are specifics around using hunting dogs and specific rulings around guns and spears (one shot kills only to minimise suffering) but the basics are what i wrote further up. Hope that helps in some way. As for the modern method. Animals are mistreated first of all, they are shackled and hung upside down, straight away inducing panic. theyre dipped in a water bath which is electrified (this is painful) and i dont see it as humane at all. Some animals might regain consciousness, some might die from the shock, some might not be unconcious, some might actually be unconscious as intended, theres no guarantee. Then they are decapitated by a rotary blade. Now if you were the bird, would you rather be hung by your feet, hearing all the whizzing and squaking and banging and buzzing electricity whilst seeing fellow chickens being killed before being dipped in water and having your brain blown. Or would you rather not have a clue and all of a sudden somebody holds your neck and it all goes dark very quickly? just because the rspca says halal is inhumane without stunning, it doesnt mean it is. Make your own judgement call, and i would like some feedback if you dont mind.[/p][/quote]a bit of feed back :) http://www.liveleak. com/view?i=545_13458 00806#8S3kLX5tzPUEX2 6b.01 lv8151
  • Score: -1

12:05am Sat 10 May 14

Comment777 says...

waterbottle wrote:
When u pi55 heads are going home after a night out where do u go before u go home halal takeaway who drives you there muslim taxi driver. Hypocrites
No I would not and I would rather walk!
[quote][p][bold]waterbottle[/bold] wrote: When u pi55 heads are going home after a night out where do u go before u go home halal takeaway who drives you there muslim taxi driver. Hypocrites[/p][/quote]No I would not and I would rather walk! Comment777
  • Score: 0

12:05am Sat 10 May 14

eatmytruth says...

lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
how do you invent liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation ..... so before he (invented) oxidisation did nothing oxidise ? before he invented evaporation did nothing evaporate ?
fine you got me there with the wrong word. . he discovered it, defined it, taught it, used it to make more discoveries. He did invent the study of chemistry though
Google this name, Abbas ibn Firnas. He was the first man to attempt to fly. a VERY long time before westerners. He did too but he crashed on landing because he didnt have a tail. He started off the discovery of aviation. That is one of the most important of today.

Tell me some western inventions that are possible without inventions by muslims?
internet , internal combustion engine , cant be arsed just google it lol
internet may have been developed by america for use in the cold war. but the internet we use relies on algorithms. we wouldnt have google without them, or any search engine, and that would mean the internet is only used by super nerds who know how to find websites or the government, so you can thank muslims for that too.

The internal combustion engine relies on a crankshaft to convert power. and al jazari is the one who started development of the modern crankshaft. So again you can thank muslims for that too.

Anyway, i can see that whatever i say you will try to find someway to prove me wrong. so im going to leave you to it. I just thought id enlighten you a little with some history, but you have no interest in learning, only in belittling something which is too great for you to belittle. So good luck with life, youre gonna need it.
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: how do you invent liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation ..... so before he (invented) oxidisation did nothing oxidise ? before he invented evaporation did nothing evaporate ?[/p][/quote]fine you got me there with the wrong word. . he discovered it, defined it, taught it, used it to make more discoveries. He did invent the study of chemistry though Google this name, Abbas ibn Firnas. He was the first man to attempt to fly. a VERY long time before westerners. He did too but he crashed on landing because he didnt have a tail. He started off the discovery of aviation. That is one of the most important of today. Tell me some western inventions that are possible without inventions by muslims?[/p][/quote]internet , internal combustion engine , cant be arsed just google it lol[/p][/quote]internet may have been developed by america for use in the cold war. but the internet we use relies on algorithms. we wouldnt have google without them, or any search engine, and that would mean the internet is only used by super nerds who know how to find websites or the government, so you can thank muslims for that too. The internal combustion engine relies on a crankshaft to convert power. and al jazari is the one who started development of the modern crankshaft. So again you can thank muslims for that too. Anyway, i can see that whatever i say you will try to find someway to prove me wrong. so im going to leave you to it. I just thought id enlighten you a little with some history, but you have no interest in learning, only in belittling something which is too great for you to belittle. So good luck with life, youre gonna need it. eatmytruth
  • Score: 6

12:07am Sat 10 May 14

Comment777 says...

LisaDW wrote:
Why this debate now???
The simple fact is that if you want to eat meat then animals have to die! Whichever way you look at it, the outcome is always the same. The Sun and The Mail are full of opinionated rubbish that feed ignorance and give people the excuse to target muslims and other religious/ cultural groups in a discriminatory way.
By the way I enjoyed my Halal chicken at Nando's Middlebrook yesterday!
Not true...meat can be grown in a laboratory
[quote][p][bold]LisaDW[/bold] wrote: Why this debate now??? The simple fact is that if you want to eat meat then animals have to die! Whichever way you look at it, the outcome is always the same. The Sun and The Mail are full of opinionated rubbish that feed ignorance and give people the excuse to target muslims and other religious/ cultural groups in a discriminatory way. By the way I enjoyed my Halal chicken at Nando's Middlebrook yesterday![/p][/quote]Not true...meat can be grown in a laboratory Comment777
  • Score: -4

12:10am Sat 10 May 14

Comment777 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway.
Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do.
Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican.
If you want a debate. Find a real issue.
If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels.
And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.
Depends on which humans...
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway. Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do. Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican. If you want a debate. Find a real issue. If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels. And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.[/p][/quote]Depends on which humans... Comment777
  • Score: -4

12:14am Sat 10 May 14

lv8151 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
how do you invent liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation ..... so before he (invented) oxidisation did nothing oxidise ? before he invented evaporation did nothing evaporate ?
fine you got me there with the wrong word. . he discovered it, defined it, taught it, used it to make more discoveries. He did invent the study of chemistry though
Google this name, Abbas ibn Firnas. He was the first man to attempt to fly. a VERY long time before westerners. He did too but he crashed on landing because he didnt have a tail. He started off the discovery of aviation. That is one of the most important of today.

Tell me some western inventions that are possible without inventions by muslims?
internet , internal combustion engine , cant be arsed just google it lol
internet may have been developed by america for use in the cold war. but the internet we use relies on algorithms. we wouldnt have google without them, or any search engine, and that would mean the internet is only used by super nerds who know how to find websites or the government, so you can thank muslims for that too.

The internal combustion engine relies on a crankshaft to convert power. and al jazari is the one who started development of the modern crankshaft. So again you can thank muslims for that too.

Anyway, i can see that whatever i say you will try to find someway to prove me wrong. so im going to leave you to it. I just thought id enlighten you a little with some history, but you have no interest in learning, only in belittling something which is too great for you to belittle. So good luck with life, youre gonna need it.
lol ... believe me i dont need luck i'm lucky enough already ..... enjoy the video i posted .... it shows how your ideal way and explanation of halal really happens .... and its not quiet as you believe of have been taught
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: how do you invent liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation ..... so before he (invented) oxidisation did nothing oxidise ? before he invented evaporation did nothing evaporate ?[/p][/quote]fine you got me there with the wrong word. . he discovered it, defined it, taught it, used it to make more discoveries. He did invent the study of chemistry though Google this name, Abbas ibn Firnas. He was the first man to attempt to fly. a VERY long time before westerners. He did too but he crashed on landing because he didnt have a tail. He started off the discovery of aviation. That is one of the most important of today. Tell me some western inventions that are possible without inventions by muslims?[/p][/quote]internet , internal combustion engine , cant be arsed just google it lol[/p][/quote]internet may have been developed by america for use in the cold war. but the internet we use relies on algorithms. we wouldnt have google without them, or any search engine, and that would mean the internet is only used by super nerds who know how to find websites or the government, so you can thank muslims for that too. The internal combustion engine relies on a crankshaft to convert power. and al jazari is the one who started development of the modern crankshaft. So again you can thank muslims for that too. Anyway, i can see that whatever i say you will try to find someway to prove me wrong. so im going to leave you to it. I just thought id enlighten you a little with some history, but you have no interest in learning, only in belittling something which is too great for you to belittle. So good luck with life, youre gonna need it.[/p][/quote]lol ... believe me i dont need luck i'm lucky enough already ..... enjoy the video i posted .... it shows how your ideal way and explanation of halal really happens .... and its not quiet as you believe of have been taught lv8151
  • Score: -3

12:18am Sat 10 May 14

Comment777 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway.
Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do.
Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican.
If you want a debate. Find a real issue.
If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels.
And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.
The problem is because companies are giving people Halal by stealth &amp; try and conceal it. Denmark have banned it totally &amp; also France has stopped it being served to non Muslims in ten 10 towns. We will soon be.
So on that merit every place which doesn't sell halal should have a sign that says so too?
Can I ask what your objection is to eating halal? Not saying you shouldn't have one but I'd like to know where you're coming from with some of your previous comments.
Is it just that you don't know? If you knew what would be your objection to eating halal labelled food?
Wonderful idea. All establishments selling non halal meat should make it known.
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway. Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do. Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican. If you want a debate. Find a real issue. If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels. And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.[/p][/quote]The problem is because companies are giving people Halal by stealth & try and conceal it. Denmark have banned it totally & also France has stopped it being served to non Muslims in ten 10 towns. We will soon be.[/p][/quote]So on that merit every place which doesn't sell halal should have a sign that says so too? Can I ask what your objection is to eating halal? Not saying you shouldn't have one but I'd like to know where you're coming from with some of your previous comments. Is it just that you don't know? If you knew what would be your objection to eating halal labelled food?[/p][/quote]Wonderful idea. All establishments selling non halal meat should make it known. Comment777
  • Score: -1

12:25am Sat 10 May 14

Comment777 says...

Reed Lover wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
cliff4treasurer wrote:
&quot;And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives"

Or kidnaping and murdering 300 schoolgirls etc etc etc

I think you will find it's your lot who deliberately target civilian on aeroplanes etc and schoolchildren or perhaps they are Christians and I am wrong?
My lot? Which lot is this that you're accusing me of representing? 300 schoolgirls? I haven't commissioned any act like that nor supported nor funded it.
I haven't targeted any civillian in on any aeroplane. What do you take me for?
The people who do these barbaric acts don't do it with religious purpose. They have other interests such as money or politics or just plain sickness.
Don't associate me with them.
Of course we are not allowed to mention the many thousands of innocent Muslims who were murdered by Bush and Blair's Christian Army when they carpet bombed Bagdad. Their crime was to be ruled by a tyrant that The West didn't like even though Saddam was an enemy of The Taliban and Al Qaeda. Bush actually declared that God had directed him in this unholy war.
By my reckoning Christianity has a 600 year head start on Islam. Anyone care to look up what atrocities the Catholic and Protestant Churches perpetrated against each other, Jews and Muslims? Millions of people put to death. Sharia Law? How about Galileo being incarcerated and sentenced to death for daring to say that the Earth revolved around the Sun. Witches burnt, hanged, tortured. Heretics beheaded, burnt, tortured, stoned to death.
If Islam is still doing this in 300 years time then we can have a discussion...

Two things we know about ignorant racists:

1. They are ignorant
2. They are racist.
But not Bush strangely...
[quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliff4treasurer[/bold] wrote: "And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives" Or kidnaping and murdering 300 schoolgirls etc etc etc I think you will find it's your lot who deliberately target civilian on aeroplanes etc and schoolchildren or perhaps they are Christians and I am wrong?[/p][/quote]My lot? Which lot is this that you're accusing me of representing? 300 schoolgirls? I haven't commissioned any act like that nor supported nor funded it. I haven't targeted any civillian in on any aeroplane. What do you take me for? The people who do these barbaric acts don't do it with religious purpose. They have other interests such as money or politics or just plain sickness. Don't associate me with them.[/p][/quote]Of course we are not allowed to mention the many thousands of innocent Muslims who were murdered by Bush and Blair's Christian Army when they carpet bombed Bagdad. Their crime was to be ruled by a tyrant that The West didn't like even though Saddam was an enemy of The Taliban and Al Qaeda. Bush actually declared that God had directed him in this unholy war. By my reckoning Christianity has a 600 year head start on Islam. Anyone care to look up what atrocities the Catholic and Protestant Churches perpetrated against each other, Jews and Muslims? Millions of people put to death. Sharia Law? How about Galileo being incarcerated and sentenced to death for daring to say that the Earth revolved around the Sun. Witches burnt, hanged, tortured. Heretics beheaded, burnt, tortured, stoned to death. If Islam is still doing this in 300 years time then we can have a discussion... Two things we know about ignorant racists: 1. They are ignorant 2. They are racist.[/p][/quote]But not Bush strangely... Comment777
  • Score: -2

12:29am Sat 10 May 14

Comment777 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
shireen wrote:
I agree. Stunning causes more pain to the animal. Non stunning dosent because its over with in an instant. Example: If a policeman tasers a person then the person will be in pain and stuggle for some time. Same way stunning will cause more and more pain to an animal. I dont eat any poultry slaughtered by halal food authority(HFA) because they approve of mechanical slaughter. The only genuine approved slaughter method in england is by a company that goes by the name of halal monitoring committee(HMC). Since the introduction some years ago more and more muslims are coming onto this brand. This firm uses the the only and humane method of slaughter. This company have released a yellow sticker for the butchers and takeaway/restuarants who have enrolled their business onto this method. Its on the shop window in most places in bolton. For the people who dont want to eat halal,there is no one forcing you. You have the freedom to go elsewhere. Its your money its your choice.
Their argument now is that places sell halal and not tell customers. But they don't realise that restaurants who don't sell halal don't tell us that either. We ask when we go if the food is halal. And they tell us yes or no. Then we decide what to eat.
Why can't these people do the same? Most of them don't really care what they eat. They'd eat **** if it had a tescore shrink wrap on it. They're just jumping on the daily mail train of hate and anti Islamic propaganda.
and in the UK everyone has the right to jump on said train...
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shireen[/bold] wrote: I agree. Stunning causes more pain to the animal. Non stunning dosent because its over with in an instant. Example: If a policeman tasers a person then the person will be in pain and stuggle for some time. Same way stunning will cause more and more pain to an animal. I dont eat any poultry slaughtered by halal food authority(HFA) because they approve of mechanical slaughter. The only genuine approved slaughter method in england is by a company that goes by the name of halal monitoring committee(HMC). Since the introduction some years ago more and more muslims are coming onto this brand. This firm uses the the only and humane method of slaughter. This company have released a yellow sticker for the butchers and takeaway/restuarants who have enrolled their business onto this method. Its on the shop window in most places in bolton. For the people who dont want to eat halal,there is no one forcing you. You have the freedom to go elsewhere. Its your money its your choice.[/p][/quote]Their argument now is that places sell halal and not tell customers. But they don't realise that restaurants who don't sell halal don't tell us that either. We ask when we go if the food is halal. And they tell us yes or no. Then we decide what to eat. Why can't these people do the same? Most of them don't really care what they eat. They'd eat **** if it had a tescore shrink wrap on it. They're just jumping on the daily mail train of hate and anti Islamic propaganda.[/p][/quote]and in the UK everyone has the right to jump on said train... Comment777
  • Score: -3

12:30am Sat 10 May 14

eatmytruth says...

lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Smeagol wrote:
Oh yes, and I will read your earlier post about the humane issue, as I really don't know much about that side of things.
I will summarise it for you here.

it was basically a comparission of the 2 methods ie stunning and non stunning and the logic behind the islamic ruling on animal slaughter.

Firstly Muhammad (SAW) was an wholly against animal suffering and cruelty. He taught the following rules,

The knife used must be extremely sharp. So sharp that you wouldnt feel pain if you slice your finger. I have experienced cutting my finger whilst chopping veg and didnt know till way later whilst washing my hands. Its true, a very sharp knife doesnt hurt straight away (try it if youre daring),

Secondly the cut must be through the vital tubes in the throat to ensure immediate death. This means by the time an animal can realise it has been cut, it is already dead.

Thirdly the abbatoir must stand behind the animal and not let it see the knife, that way the animal has no idea what is about to happen, that means it doesnt panic, it doesnt feel the cut and it doesnt struggle.

Fourthly the slaughtering must not take place where other animals of the same species can see it. The reason being that the other animals will suffer from panic and become stressed.

Fifthly we must take Gods name because all creatures belong to God and we are using them for food. Christians say grace at the table, we do it at slaughter, Jews do it exactly the same as muslims. (which is why it is acceptable to eat Kosher meat if it is slaughtered by orthodox jews who still practice the original teachings of the torah) and if christians still maintained the bible and followed the method given in it, we would be allowed to eat their meat too.

Praying on the food doesnt affect the meat itself, it affects the accountability of it. Think of it as taking Gods permission before you kill one of his creatures for food, and thanking him at the same time for providing nourishment.

This is just what i picked up from quick research. there are more points to it eg not doing it at a stone altar as it becomes sort of worship, and there are specifics around using hunting dogs and specific rulings around guns and spears (one shot kills only to minimise suffering)
but the basics are what i wrote further up.
Hope that helps in some way.

As for the modern method.
Animals are mistreated first of all, they are shackled and hung upside down, straight away inducing panic. theyre dipped in a water bath which is electrified (this is painful) and i dont see it as humane at all. Some animals might regain consciousness, some might die from the shock, some might not be unconcious, some might actually be unconscious as intended, theres no guarantee. Then they are decapitated by a rotary blade.

Now if you were the bird, would you rather be hung by your feet, hearing all the whizzing and squaking and banging and buzzing electricity whilst seeing fellow chickens being killed before being dipped in water and having your brain blown. Or would you rather not have a clue and all of a sudden somebody holds your neck and it all goes dark very quickly?

just because the rspca says halal is inhumane without stunning, it doesnt mean it is. Make your own judgement call, and i would like some feedback if you dont mind.
a bit of feed back :)
http://www.liveleak.

com/view?i=545_13458

00806#8S3kLX5tzPUEX2

6b.01
These cows are not treated very well. this is called industrialisation, which is a western invention.
You people keep mentioning stunning is more humane. What you dont realise is that abattoirs dont stun animals to be humane, they stun them to make it easy to hook them up.
Let me tell you how stunning really takes place.

Animals are locked in a room with the stunner.
Maybe the first one doesnt know what is happening, the guy stuns them with a bolt gun. The sheep drops to the floor in temporary paralysis, just long enough to hook them up. then theyre on the hook, sometimes kicking to get free, sometimes just hanging in consciousness after giving up.
They arent dead. they know they are hanging, they know they are in danger, they are in panic, kicking in frenzy, AFTER being stunned.

By now the second third fourth sheep are in panic trying to get away. they just get zapped aswel, fall to the ground kicking their legs still, fully conscious.
Then they are hooked up and come back to their sense, by then the purpose of stunning is complete. who cares if theyre alive, asleep, dead. no difference,
watch this if you want proof. https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=9V2T9I0Q
rL8
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Smeagol[/bold] wrote: Oh yes, and I will read your earlier post about the humane issue, as I really don't know much about that side of things.[/p][/quote]I will summarise it for you here. it was basically a comparission of the 2 methods ie stunning and non stunning and the logic behind the islamic ruling on animal slaughter. Firstly Muhammad (SAW) was an wholly against animal suffering and cruelty. He taught the following rules, The knife used must be extremely sharp. So sharp that you wouldnt feel pain if you slice your finger. I have experienced cutting my finger whilst chopping veg and didnt know till way later whilst washing my hands. Its true, a very sharp knife doesnt hurt straight away (try it if youre daring), Secondly the cut must be through the vital tubes in the throat to ensure immediate death. This means by the time an animal can realise it has been cut, it is already dead. Thirdly the abbatoir must stand behind the animal and not let it see the knife, that way the animal has no idea what is about to happen, that means it doesnt panic, it doesnt feel the cut and it doesnt struggle. Fourthly the slaughtering must not take place where other animals of the same species can see it. The reason being that the other animals will suffer from panic and become stressed. Fifthly we must take Gods name because all creatures belong to God and we are using them for food. Christians say grace at the table, we do it at slaughter, Jews do it exactly the same as muslims. (which is why it is acceptable to eat Kosher meat if it is slaughtered by orthodox jews who still practice the original teachings of the torah) and if christians still maintained the bible and followed the method given in it, we would be allowed to eat their meat too. Praying on the food doesnt affect the meat itself, it affects the accountability of it. Think of it as taking Gods permission before you kill one of his creatures for food, and thanking him at the same time for providing nourishment. This is just what i picked up from quick research. there are more points to it eg not doing it at a stone altar as it becomes sort of worship, and there are specifics around using hunting dogs and specific rulings around guns and spears (one shot kills only to minimise suffering) but the basics are what i wrote further up. Hope that helps in some way. As for the modern method. Animals are mistreated first of all, they are shackled and hung upside down, straight away inducing panic. theyre dipped in a water bath which is electrified (this is painful) and i dont see it as humane at all. Some animals might regain consciousness, some might die from the shock, some might not be unconcious, some might actually be unconscious as intended, theres no guarantee. Then they are decapitated by a rotary blade. Now if you were the bird, would you rather be hung by your feet, hearing all the whizzing and squaking and banging and buzzing electricity whilst seeing fellow chickens being killed before being dipped in water and having your brain blown. Or would you rather not have a clue and all of a sudden somebody holds your neck and it all goes dark very quickly? just because the rspca says halal is inhumane without stunning, it doesnt mean it is. Make your own judgement call, and i would like some feedback if you dont mind.[/p][/quote]a bit of feed back :) http://www.liveleak. com/view?i=545_13458 00806#8S3kLX5tzPUEX2 6b.01[/p][/quote]These cows are not treated very well. this is called industrialisation, which is a western invention. You people keep mentioning stunning is more humane. What you dont realise is that abattoirs dont stun animals to be humane, they stun them to make it easy to hook them up. Let me tell you how stunning really takes place. Animals are locked in a room with the stunner. Maybe the first one doesnt know what is happening, the guy stuns them with a bolt gun. The sheep drops to the floor in temporary paralysis, just long enough to hook them up. then theyre on the hook, sometimes kicking to get free, sometimes just hanging in consciousness after giving up. They arent dead. they know they are hanging, they know they are in danger, they are in panic, kicking in frenzy, AFTER being stunned. By now the second third fourth sheep are in panic trying to get away. they just get zapped aswel, fall to the ground kicking their legs still, fully conscious. Then they are hooked up and come back to their sense, by then the purpose of stunning is complete. who cares if theyre alive, asleep, dead. no difference, watch this if you want proof. https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=9V2T9I0Q rL8 eatmytruth
  • Score: 5

12:33am Sat 10 May 14

Comment777 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them
Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche



r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a &quot;non halal" farmer would do that.
The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers.
And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat.
And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.
so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care
Well to you I'd recommend KFC.
And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there.

Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature.
But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.
Pigs are one of the cleanest animals in their natural habitat. They are also one of the smartest animals as a result of which they convinced Muslims and Jews not to eat their meat. So you have been outsmarted by the Pigs. George Orwell would be roaring with laughter
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them[/p][/quote]Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.[/p][/quote]so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care[/p][/quote]Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.[/p][/quote]Pigs are one of the cleanest animals in their natural habitat. They are also one of the smartest animals as a result of which they convinced Muslims and Jews not to eat their meat. So you have been outsmarted by the Pigs. George Orwell would be roaring with laughter Comment777
  • Score: -4

12:34am Sat 10 May 14

eatmytruth says...

Comment777 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway.
Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do.
Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican.
If you want a debate. Find a real issue.
If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels.
And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.
Depends on which humans...
that comment makes you inhumane, scum.
[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway. Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do. Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican. If you want a debate. Find a real issue. If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels. And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.[/p][/quote]Depends on which humans...[/p][/quote]that comment makes you inhumane, scum. eatmytruth
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12:38am Sat 10 May 14

Comment777 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them
Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche





r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a &quot;non halal" farmer would do that.
The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers.
And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat.
And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.
so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care
Well to you I'd recommend KFC.
And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there.

Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature.
But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.
I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !!
Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process.
I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats.
Go eat somewhere else.
or go live somewhere else...
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them[/p][/quote]Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.[/p][/quote]so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care[/p][/quote]Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.[/p][/quote]I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !![/p][/quote]Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.[/p][/quote]or go live somewhere else... Comment777
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12:41am Sat 10 May 14

Comment777 says...

Leftythelion wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
cliff4treasurer wrote:
&quot;And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives"

Or kidnaping and murdering 300 schoolgirls etc etc etc

I think you will find it's your lot who deliberately target civilian on aeroplanes etc and schoolchildren or perhaps they are Christians and I am wrong?
My lot? Which lot is this that you're accusing me of representing? 300 schoolgirls? I haven't commissioned any act like that nor supported nor funded it.
I haven't targeted any civillian in on any aeroplane. What do you take me for?
The people who do these barbaric acts don't do it with religious purpose. They have other interests such as money or politics or just plain sickness.
Don't associate me with them.
Of course we are not allowed to mention the many thousands of innocent Muslims who were murdered by Bush and Blair's Christian Army when they carpet bombed Bagdad. Their crime was to be ruled by a tyrant that The West didn't like even though Saddam was an enemy of The Taliban and Al Qaeda. Bush actually declared that God had directed him in this unholy war.
By my reckoning Christianity has a 600 year head start on Islam. Anyone care to look up what atrocities the Catholic and Protestant Churches perpetrated against each other, Jews and Muslims? Millions of people put to death. Sharia Law? How about Galileo being incarcerated and sentenced to death for daring to say that the Earth revolved around the Sun. Witches burnt, hanged, tortured. Heretics beheaded, burnt, tortured, stoned to death.
If Islam is still doing this in 300 years time then we can have a discussion...

Two things we know about ignorant racists:

1. They are ignorant
2. They are racist.
The Church never officially condemned the Copernican theory as heresy. The Church simply demanded that Galileo teach it as a theory rather than as proven fact, which is all it was in his day. Pope John Paul II has apologized for the Church's bad handling of the Galileo case. It involved no false dogmatic teaching, but has been endlessly misrepresented by enemies of the Church.
and the bad handling of young vulnerable choir boys...
[quote][p][bold]Leftythelion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliff4treasurer[/bold] wrote: "And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives" Or kidnaping and murdering 300 schoolgirls etc etc etc I think you will find it's your lot who deliberately target civilian on aeroplanes etc and schoolchildren or perhaps they are Christians and I am wrong?[/p][/quote]My lot? Which lot is this that you're accusing me of representing? 300 schoolgirls? I haven't commissioned any act like that nor supported nor funded it. I haven't targeted any civillian in on any aeroplane. What do you take me for? The people who do these barbaric acts don't do it with religious purpose. They have other interests such as money or politics or just plain sickness. Don't associate me with them.[/p][/quote]Of course we are not allowed to mention the many thousands of innocent Muslims who were murdered by Bush and Blair's Christian Army when they carpet bombed Bagdad. Their crime was to be ruled by a tyrant that The West didn't like even though Saddam was an enemy of The Taliban and Al Qaeda. Bush actually declared that God had directed him in this unholy war. By my reckoning Christianity has a 600 year head start on Islam. Anyone care to look up what atrocities the Catholic and Protestant Churches perpetrated against each other, Jews and Muslims? Millions of people put to death. Sharia Law? How about Galileo being incarcerated and sentenced to death for daring to say that the Earth revolved around the Sun. Witches burnt, hanged, tortured. Heretics beheaded, burnt, tortured, stoned to death. If Islam is still doing this in 300 years time then we can have a discussion... Two things we know about ignorant racists: 1. They are ignorant 2. They are racist.[/p][/quote]The Church never officially condemned the Copernican theory as heresy. The Church simply demanded that Galileo teach it as a theory rather than as proven fact, which is all it was in his day. Pope John Paul II has apologized for the Church's bad handling of the Galileo case. It involved no false dogmatic teaching, but has been endlessly misrepresented by enemies of the Church.[/p][/quote]and the bad handling of young vulnerable choir boys... Comment777
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12:44am Sat 10 May 14

lv8151 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Smeagol wrote:
Oh yes, and I will read your earlier post about the humane issue, as I really don't know much about that side of things.
I will summarise it for you here.

it was basically a comparission of the 2 methods ie stunning and non stunning and the logic behind the islamic ruling on animal slaughter.

Firstly Muhammad (SAW) was an wholly against animal suffering and cruelty. He taught the following rules,

The knife used must be extremely sharp. So sharp that you wouldnt feel pain if you slice your finger. I have experienced cutting my finger whilst chopping veg and didnt know till way later whilst washing my hands. Its true, a very sharp knife doesnt hurt straight away (try it if youre daring),

Secondly the cut must be through the vital tubes in the throat to ensure immediate death. This means by the time an animal can realise it has been cut, it is already dead.

Thirdly the abbatoir must stand behind the animal and not let it see the knife, that way the animal has no idea what is about to happen, that means it doesnt panic, it doesnt feel the cut and it doesnt struggle.

Fourthly the slaughtering must not take place where other animals of the same species can see it. The reason being that the other animals will suffer from panic and become stressed.

Fifthly we must take Gods name because all creatures belong to God and we are using them for food. Christians say grace at the table, we do it at slaughter, Jews do it exactly the same as muslims. (which is why it is acceptable to eat Kosher meat if it is slaughtered by orthodox jews who still practice the original teachings of the torah) and if christians still maintained the bible and followed the method given in it, we would be allowed to eat their meat too.

Praying on the food doesnt affect the meat itself, it affects the accountability of it. Think of it as taking Gods permission before you kill one of his creatures for food, and thanking him at the same time for providing nourishment.

This is just what i picked up from quick research. there are more points to it eg not doing it at a stone altar as it becomes sort of worship, and there are specifics around using hunting dogs and specific rulings around guns and spears (one shot kills only to minimise suffering)
but the basics are what i wrote further up.
Hope that helps in some way.

As for the modern method.
Animals are mistreated first of all, they are shackled and hung upside down, straight away inducing panic. theyre dipped in a water bath which is electrified (this is painful) and i dont see it as humane at all. Some animals might regain consciousness, some might die from the shock, some might not be unconcious, some might actually be unconscious as intended, theres no guarantee. Then they are decapitated by a rotary blade.

Now if you were the bird, would you rather be hung by your feet, hearing all the whizzing and squaking and banging and buzzing electricity whilst seeing fellow chickens being killed before being dipped in water and having your brain blown. Or would you rather not have a clue and all of a sudden somebody holds your neck and it all goes dark very quickly?

just because the rspca says halal is inhumane without stunning, it doesnt mean it is. Make your own judgement call, and i would like some feedback if you dont mind.
a bit of feed back :)
http://www.liveleak.


com/view?i=545_13458


00806#8S3kLX5tzPUEX2


6b.01
These cows are not treated very well. this is called industrialisation, which is a western invention.
You people keep mentioning stunning is more humane. What you dont realise is that abattoirs dont stun animals to be humane, they stun them to make it easy to hook them up.
Let me tell you how stunning really takes place.

Animals are locked in a room with the stunner.
Maybe the first one doesnt know what is happening, the guy stuns them with a bolt gun. The sheep drops to the floor in temporary paralysis, just long enough to hook them up. then theyre on the hook, sometimes kicking to get free, sometimes just hanging in consciousness after giving up.
They arent dead. they know they are hanging, they know they are in danger, they are in panic, kicking in frenzy, AFTER being stunned.

By now the second third fourth sheep are in panic trying to get away. they just get zapped aswel, fall to the ground kicking their legs still, fully conscious.
Then they are hooked up and come back to their sense, by then the purpose of stunning is complete. who cares if theyre alive, asleep, dead. no difference,
watch this if you want proof. https://www.youtube.

com/watch?v=9V2T9I0Q

rL8
wether it is through industrialisation or not the halal slaughtering in the video wasn't as you described it not long ago in earlier post .....and the video you posted doesn't exist
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Smeagol[/bold] wrote: Oh yes, and I will read your earlier post about the humane issue, as I really don't know much about that side of things.[/p][/quote]I will summarise it for you here. it was basically a comparission of the 2 methods ie stunning and non stunning and the logic behind the islamic ruling on animal slaughter. Firstly Muhammad (SAW) was an wholly against animal suffering and cruelty. He taught the following rules, The knife used must be extremely sharp. So sharp that you wouldnt feel pain if you slice your finger. I have experienced cutting my finger whilst chopping veg and didnt know till way later whilst washing my hands. Its true, a very sharp knife doesnt hurt straight away (try it if youre daring), Secondly the cut must be through the vital tubes in the throat to ensure immediate death. This means by the time an animal can realise it has been cut, it is already dead. Thirdly the abbatoir must stand behind the animal and not let it see the knife, that way the animal has no idea what is about to happen, that means it doesnt panic, it doesnt feel the cut and it doesnt struggle. Fourthly the slaughtering must not take place where other animals of the same species can see it. The reason being that the other animals will suffer from panic and become stressed. Fifthly we must take Gods name because all creatures belong to God and we are using them for food. Christians say grace at the table, we do it at slaughter, Jews do it exactly the same as muslims. (which is why it is acceptable to eat Kosher meat if it is slaughtered by orthodox jews who still practice the original teachings of the torah) and if christians still maintained the bible and followed the method given in it, we would be allowed to eat their meat too. Praying on the food doesnt affect the meat itself, it affects the accountability of it. Think of it as taking Gods permission before you kill one of his creatures for food, and thanking him at the same time for providing nourishment. This is just what i picked up from quick research. there are more points to it eg not doing it at a stone altar as it becomes sort of worship, and there are specifics around using hunting dogs and specific rulings around guns and spears (one shot kills only to minimise suffering) but the basics are what i wrote further up. Hope that helps in some way. As for the modern method. Animals are mistreated first of all, they are shackled and hung upside down, straight away inducing panic. theyre dipped in a water bath which is electrified (this is painful) and i dont see it as humane at all. Some animals might regain consciousness, some might die from the shock, some might not be unconcious, some might actually be unconscious as intended, theres no guarantee. Then they are decapitated by a rotary blade. Now if you were the bird, would you rather be hung by your feet, hearing all the whizzing and squaking and banging and buzzing electricity whilst seeing fellow chickens being killed before being dipped in water and having your brain blown. Or would you rather not have a clue and all of a sudden somebody holds your neck and it all goes dark very quickly? just because the rspca says halal is inhumane without stunning, it doesnt mean it is. Make your own judgement call, and i would like some feedback if you dont mind.[/p][/quote]a bit of feed back :) http://www.liveleak. com/view?i=545_13458 00806#8S3kLX5tzPUEX2 6b.01[/p][/quote]These cows are not treated very well. this is called industrialisation, which is a western invention. You people keep mentioning stunning is more humane. What you dont realise is that abattoirs dont stun animals to be humane, they stun them to make it easy to hook them up. Let me tell you how stunning really takes place. Animals are locked in a room with the stunner. Maybe the first one doesnt know what is happening, the guy stuns them with a bolt gun. The sheep drops to the floor in temporary paralysis, just long enough to hook them up. then theyre on the hook, sometimes kicking to get free, sometimes just hanging in consciousness after giving up. They arent dead. they know they are hanging, they know they are in danger, they are in panic, kicking in frenzy, AFTER being stunned. By now the second third fourth sheep are in panic trying to get away. they just get zapped aswel, fall to the ground kicking their legs still, fully conscious. Then they are hooked up and come back to their sense, by then the purpose of stunning is complete. who cares if theyre alive, asleep, dead. no difference, watch this if you want proof. https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=9V2T9I0Q rL8[/p][/quote]wether it is through industrialisation or not the halal slaughtering in the video wasn't as you described it not long ago in earlier post .....and the video you posted doesn't exist lv8151
  • Score: -5

12:50am Sat 10 May 14

Comment777 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them
Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a &quot;non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.
so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care
Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.
I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !!
Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.
And while were on the subject you can stop trying to force your religion down our throats as well, take that with you too. !!!
I'm not forcing my religion on anybody. I never told you to be Muslim. It would be good for you but I won't force you.
Are you not... look at www,boycotthalal.com and look. Thing is the British Invention the internet has given people the ability to find out what Halal &amp; Islam is. Have you thought of one Islamic person or Country who has made a invention of something that has changed the world for the betterment of mankind in the last 1500 years ?.. Any drugs that stop malaria or leprosy for example or did you body swerve that one. Get your thinking caps on chaps its a hard one and we dont want your barbaric 1500 years old customs here thanks. We have moved on.
are you ready for this one?

i am very glad you asked what muslims have contributed in the last 1500 years. i got researching and i cant thank you enough for making me look into my religion even further. i feel a sense of pride in the information i am about to post for you.... hold on to your hat.
Things muslims have contributed to in last 15 years...

1. Strengthened, fire resistant steel for very tall skyscrapers

2. Development of attack drones.

3. Enhanced checks on trainee pilots

4. Improved airport security and scrutiny

5. improved missile targeting

6. Closer examination of car rental paperwork...
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them[/p][/quote]Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.[/p][/quote]so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care[/p][/quote]Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.[/p][/quote]I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !![/p][/quote]Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.[/p][/quote]And while were on the subject you can stop trying to force your religion down our throats as well, take that with you too. !!![/p][/quote]I'm not forcing my religion on anybody. I never told you to be Muslim. It would be good for you but I won't force you.[/p][/quote]Are you not... look at www,boycotthalal.com and look. Thing is the British Invention the internet has given people the ability to find out what Halal & Islam is. Have you thought of one Islamic person or Country who has made a invention of something that has changed the world for the betterment of mankind in the last 1500 years ?.. Any drugs that stop malaria or leprosy for example or did you body swerve that one. Get your thinking caps on chaps its a hard one and we dont want your barbaric 1500 years old customs here thanks. We have moved on.[/p][/quote]are you ready for this one? i am very glad you asked what muslims have contributed in the last 1500 years. i got researching and i cant thank you enough for making me look into my religion even further. i feel a sense of pride in the information i am about to post for you.... hold on to your hat.[/p][/quote]Things muslims have contributed to in last 15 years... 1. Strengthened, fire resistant steel for very tall skyscrapers 2. Development of attack drones. 3. Enhanced checks on trainee pilots 4. Improved airport security and scrutiny 5. improved missile targeting 6. Closer examination of car rental paperwork... Comment777
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12:57am Sat 10 May 14

Comment777 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them
Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a &quot;non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.
so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care
Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.
I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !!
Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.
Well that being the case, why dont you go and live where Halal slaughter is the norm i.e. Asia for example and leave us peace and it would save you the expense of importing it !!!
Who should i move to asia? I was born here. Lived here all my life and I am British.
I can eat what I want and when I want how I want. And so can you
It will become all to apparent to you in the near future of actually how British you are not...
define british please.. what makes you british (if thats what you are) and not me?
You're black for starters !!
1. i'm not 'black'
2. i'm of pakistani descent
3. you probably have a problem with that
4. i love people who are brown, white, black and everything in between (because thats what my religion teaches)
4. i couldn't care less what your racist mind thinks
5. I would make you cry if i ever met you
He meant brown...
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them[/p][/quote]Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.[/p][/quote]so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care[/p][/quote]Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.[/p][/quote]I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !![/p][/quote]Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Well that being the case, why dont you go and live where Halal slaughter is the norm i.e. Asia for example and leave us peace and it would save you the expense of importing it !!![/p][/quote]Who should i move to asia? I was born here. Lived here all my life and I am British. I can eat what I want and when I want how I want. And so can you[/p][/quote]It will become all to apparent to you in the near future of actually how British you are not...[/p][/quote]define british please.. what makes you british (if thats what you are) and not me?[/p][/quote]You're black for starters !![/p][/quote]1. i'm not 'black' 2. i'm of pakistani descent 3. you probably have a problem with that 4. i love people who are brown, white, black and everything in between (because thats what my religion teaches) 4. i couldn't care less what your racist mind thinks 5. I would make you cry if i ever met you[/p][/quote]He meant brown... Comment777
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12:59am Sat 10 May 14

eatmytruth says...

lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Smeagol wrote:
Oh yes, and I will read your earlier post about the humane issue, as I really don't know much about that side of things.
I will summarise it for you here.

it was basically a comparission of the 2 methods ie stunning and non stunning and the logic behind the islamic ruling on animal slaughter.

Firstly Muhammad (SAW) was an wholly against animal suffering and cruelty. He taught the following rules,

The knife used must be extremely sharp. So sharp that you wouldnt feel pain if you slice your finger. I have experienced cutting my finger whilst chopping veg and didnt know till way later whilst washing my hands. Its true, a very sharp knife doesnt hurt straight away (try it if youre daring),

Secondly the cut must be through the vital tubes in the throat to ensure immediate death. This means by the time an animal can realise it has been cut, it is already dead.

Thirdly the abbatoir must stand behind the animal and not let it see the knife, that way the animal has no idea what is about to happen, that means it doesnt panic, it doesnt feel the cut and it doesnt struggle.

Fourthly the slaughtering must not take place where other animals of the same species can see it. The reason being that the other animals will suffer from panic and become stressed.

Fifthly we must take Gods name because all creatures belong to God and we are using them for food. Christians say grace at the table, we do it at slaughter, Jews do it exactly the same as muslims. (which is why it is acceptable to eat Kosher meat if it is slaughtered by orthodox jews who still practice the original teachings of the torah) and if christians still maintained the bible and followed the method given in it, we would be allowed to eat their meat too.

Praying on the food doesnt affect the meat itself, it affects the accountability of it. Think of it as taking Gods permission before you kill one of his creatures for food, and thanking him at the same time for providing nourishment.

This is just what i picked up from quick research. there are more points to it eg not doing it at a stone altar as it becomes sort of worship, and there are specifics around using hunting dogs and specific rulings around guns and spears (one shot kills only to minimise suffering)
but the basics are what i wrote further up.
Hope that helps in some way.

As for the modern method.
Animals are mistreated first of all, they are shackled and hung upside down, straight away inducing panic. theyre dipped in a water bath which is electrified (this is painful) and i dont see it as humane at all. Some animals might regain consciousness, some might die from the shock, some might not be unconcious, some might actually be unconscious as intended, theres no guarantee. Then they are decapitated by a rotary blade.

Now if you were the bird, would you rather be hung by your feet, hearing all the whizzing and squaking and banging and buzzing electricity whilst seeing fellow chickens being killed before being dipped in water and having your brain blown. Or would you rather not have a clue and all of a sudden somebody holds your neck and it all goes dark very quickly?

just because the rspca says halal is inhumane without stunning, it doesnt mean it is. Make your own judgement call, and i would like some feedback if you dont mind.
a bit of feed back :)
http://www.liveleak.



com/view?i=545_13458



00806#8S3kLX5tzPUEX2



6b.01
These cows are not treated very well. this is called industrialisation, which is a western invention.
You people keep mentioning stunning is more humane. What you dont realise is that abattoirs dont stun animals to be humane, they stun them to make it easy to hook them up.
Let me tell you how stunning really takes place.

Animals are locked in a room with the stunner.
Maybe the first one doesnt know what is happening, the guy stuns them with a bolt gun. The sheep drops to the floor in temporary paralysis, just long enough to hook them up. then theyre on the hook, sometimes kicking to get free, sometimes just hanging in consciousness after giving up.
They arent dead. they know they are hanging, they know they are in danger, they are in panic, kicking in frenzy, AFTER being stunned.

By now the second third fourth sheep are in panic trying to get away. they just get zapped aswel, fall to the ground kicking their legs still, fully conscious.
Then they are hooked up and come back to their sense, by then the purpose of stunning is complete. who cares if theyre alive, asleep, dead. no difference,
watch this if you want proof. https://www.youtube.


com/watch?v=9V2T9I0Q


rL8
wether it is through industrialisation or not the halal slaughtering in the video wasn't as you described it not long ago in earlier post .....and the video you posted doesn't exist
Here it is again, https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=-TFdHAnp
TYI

The video you posted is not considered halal methodology by me. The cows see the knife, they know theyre about to be slaughtered, they are in panic. there is no real indication if them examples were really even halal slaughter houses. you just showed me non stunned slaughter and the editor said theyre halal.

If you want to see a real halal slaughter, the way shown to us through islams teachings, watch this video from 10 minutes onwards

https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=KGmGng_t
MrI

if you want to watch it all, there are 3 parts in total, this being the last.
This man shows you what real Halal is. This method ensures that the animal is calm, they are relaxed, they are not seen by fellows, the knife is sharp, the abbatoir is behind the animals head, and it is done swiftly. If you watch an animal being electrocuted it suffers more than this un stunned sheep in the video.
Im even considering starting up an establishment to bring real halal to bolton.
Maybe slip a few lambs on the back of a tesco truck in 'stealth' mode.
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Smeagol[/bold] wrote: Oh yes, and I will read your earlier post about the humane issue, as I really don't know much about that side of things.[/p][/quote]I will summarise it for you here. it was basically a comparission of the 2 methods ie stunning and non stunning and the logic behind the islamic ruling on animal slaughter. Firstly Muhammad (SAW) was an wholly against animal suffering and cruelty. He taught the following rules, The knife used must be extremely sharp. So sharp that you wouldnt feel pain if you slice your finger. I have experienced cutting my finger whilst chopping veg and didnt know till way later whilst washing my hands. Its true, a very sharp knife doesnt hurt straight away (try it if youre daring), Secondly the cut must be through the vital tubes in the throat to ensure immediate death. This means by the time an animal can realise it has been cut, it is already dead. Thirdly the abbatoir must stand behind the animal and not let it see the knife, that way the animal has no idea what is about to happen, that means it doesnt panic, it doesnt feel the cut and it doesnt struggle. Fourthly the slaughtering must not take place where other animals of the same species can see it. The reason being that the other animals will suffer from panic and become stressed. Fifthly we must take Gods name because all creatures belong to God and we are using them for food. Christians say grace at the table, we do it at slaughter, Jews do it exactly the same as muslims. (which is why it is acceptable to eat Kosher meat if it is slaughtered by orthodox jews who still practice the original teachings of the torah) and if christians still maintained the bible and followed the method given in it, we would be allowed to eat their meat too. Praying on the food doesnt affect the meat itself, it affects the accountability of it. Think of it as taking Gods permission before you kill one of his creatures for food, and thanking him at the same time for providing nourishment. This is just what i picked up from quick research. there are more points to it eg not doing it at a stone altar as it becomes sort of worship, and there are specifics around using hunting dogs and specific rulings around guns and spears (one shot kills only to minimise suffering) but the basics are what i wrote further up. Hope that helps in some way. As for the modern method. Animals are mistreated first of all, they are shackled and hung upside down, straight away inducing panic. theyre dipped in a water bath which is electrified (this is painful) and i dont see it as humane at all. Some animals might regain consciousness, some might die from the shock, some might not be unconcious, some might actually be unconscious as intended, theres no guarantee. Then they are decapitated by a rotary blade. Now if you were the bird, would you rather be hung by your feet, hearing all the whizzing and squaking and banging and buzzing electricity whilst seeing fellow chickens being killed before being dipped in water and having your brain blown. Or would you rather not have a clue and all of a sudden somebody holds your neck and it all goes dark very quickly? just because the rspca says halal is inhumane without stunning, it doesnt mean it is. Make your own judgement call, and i would like some feedback if you dont mind.[/p][/quote]a bit of feed back :) http://www.liveleak. com/view?i=545_13458 00806#8S3kLX5tzPUEX2 6b.01[/p][/quote]These cows are not treated very well. this is called industrialisation, which is a western invention. You people keep mentioning stunning is more humane. What you dont realise is that abattoirs dont stun animals to be humane, they stun them to make it easy to hook them up. Let me tell you how stunning really takes place. Animals are locked in a room with the stunner. Maybe the first one doesnt know what is happening, the guy stuns them with a bolt gun. The sheep drops to the floor in temporary paralysis, just long enough to hook them up. then theyre on the hook, sometimes kicking to get free, sometimes just hanging in consciousness after giving up. They arent dead. they know they are hanging, they know they are in danger, they are in panic, kicking in frenzy, AFTER being stunned. By now the second third fourth sheep are in panic trying to get away. they just get zapped aswel, fall to the ground kicking their legs still, fully conscious. Then they are hooked up and come back to their sense, by then the purpose of stunning is complete. who cares if theyre alive, asleep, dead. no difference, watch this if you want proof. https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=9V2T9I0Q rL8[/p][/quote]wether it is through industrialisation or not the halal slaughtering in the video wasn't as you described it not long ago in earlier post .....and the video you posted doesn't exist[/p][/quote]Here it is again, https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=-TFdHAnp TYI The video you posted is not considered halal methodology by me. The cows see the knife, they know theyre about to be slaughtered, they are in panic. there is no real indication if them examples were really even halal slaughter houses. you just showed me non stunned slaughter and the editor said theyre halal. If you want to see a real halal slaughter, the way shown to us through islams teachings, watch this video from 10 minutes onwards https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=KGmGng_t MrI if you want to watch it all, there are 3 parts in total, this being the last. This man shows you what real Halal is. This method ensures that the animal is calm, they are relaxed, they are not seen by fellows, the knife is sharp, the abbatoir is behind the animals head, and it is done swiftly. If you watch an animal being electrocuted it suffers more than this un stunned sheep in the video. Im even considering starting up an establishment to bring real halal to bolton. Maybe slip a few lambs on the back of a tesco truck in 'stealth' mode. eatmytruth
  • Score: 4

1:02am Sat 10 May 14

eatmytruth says...

Comment777 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them
Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a &quot;non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.
so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care
Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.
I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !!
Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.
Well that being the case, why dont you go and live where Halal slaughter is the norm i.e. Asia for example and leave us peace and it would save you the expense of importing it !!!
Who should i move to asia? I was born here. Lived here all my life and I am British.
I can eat what I want and when I want how I want. And so can you
It will become all to apparent to you in the near future of actually how British you are not...
define british please.. what makes you british (if thats what you are) and not me?
You're black for starters !!
1. i'm not 'black'
2. i'm of pakistani descent
3. you probably have a problem with that
4. i love people who are brown, white, black and everything in between (because thats what my religion teaches)
4. i couldn't care less what your racist mind thinks
5. I would make you cry if i ever met you
He meant brown...
he meant what he said. and he is vile scum and a racist. a real racist who discriminates by colour, if anything he should be identified and shamed.
I have not said anything rude to anybody all day. there is no need for his comments, and im surprised youre defending him.
[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them[/p][/quote]Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.[/p][/quote]so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care[/p][/quote]Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.[/p][/quote]I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !![/p][/quote]Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Well that being the case, why dont you go and live where Halal slaughter is the norm i.e. Asia for example and leave us peace and it would save you the expense of importing it !!![/p][/quote]Who should i move to asia? I was born here. Lived here all my life and I am British. I can eat what I want and when I want how I want. And so can you[/p][/quote]It will become all to apparent to you in the near future of actually how British you are not...[/p][/quote]define british please.. what makes you british (if thats what you are) and not me?[/p][/quote]You're black for starters !![/p][/quote]1. i'm not 'black' 2. i'm of pakistani descent 3. you probably have a problem with that 4. i love people who are brown, white, black and everything in between (because thats what my religion teaches) 4. i couldn't care less what your racist mind thinks 5. I would make you cry if i ever met you[/p][/quote]He meant brown...[/p][/quote]he meant what he said. and he is vile scum and a racist. a real racist who discriminates by colour, if anything he should be identified and shamed. I have not said anything rude to anybody all day. there is no need for his comments, and im surprised youre defending him. eatmytruth
  • Score: 4

1:04am Sat 10 May 14

eatmytruth says...

By the way comment777, that last comment had the wrong link for the stunning video, it is another stunning one (inhumane) but not the one i meant to send you. watch them all if you want This is the one about sheep.

https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=9V2T9I0Q
rL8
By the way comment777, that last comment had the wrong link for the stunning video, it is another stunning one (inhumane) but not the one i meant to send you. watch them all if you want This is the one about sheep. https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=9V2T9I0Q rL8 eatmytruth
  • Score: 4

1:05am Sat 10 May 14

Comment777 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
Comment777 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway.
Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do.
Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican.
If you want a debate. Find a real issue.
If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels.
And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.
Depends on which humans...
that comment makes you inhumane, scum.
Thank you.

Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Churchill, Saint George, Mussolini (had to look at the spelling)
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway. Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do. Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican. If you want a debate. Find a real issue. If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels. And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.[/p][/quote]Depends on which humans...[/p][/quote]that comment makes you inhumane, scum.[/p][/quote]Thank you. Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Churchill, Saint George, Mussolini (had to look at the spelling) Comment777
  • Score: -4

1:09am Sat 10 May 14

eatmytruth says...

Comment777 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Comment777 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway.
Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do.
Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican.
If you want a debate. Find a real issue.
If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels.
And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.
Depends on which humans...
that comment makes you inhumane, scum.
Thank you.

Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Churchill, Saint George, Mussolini (had to look at the spelling)
Whats the list for? you support them? or youre saying they should have bombs dropped on them?

i wouldnt wish for torture and suffering on any human. whether thats hitler, or you. I believe that if somebody commits a major crime like hitler, he should be trialed in court or left for God to deal with.

Am i inhumane for thinking that?
[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day. Muslims do not demand that all places should sell halal food. In the past we would look for a place which sells halal food and if there was nowhere that does, then tough. We order from the veg menu. Now businesses see it as logical to offer halal food on their menu because non vegetarian atheists and Christians eat anything that is edible and it is a business decision to make more profit. We don't make petitions calling for pizza express to serve halal nor do we do it for subway. Things have changed as business owners realise the opportunity. And if you for some reason don't want to eat food which is halal, find a place that doesn't serve halal. It's very simple we've been doing the opposite for decades and still do. Last time I checkled plenty of restaurants in dubai serve alcohol. We don't serve it in Saudi Arabia. But we don't ask you to serve halal in the Vatican. If you want a debate. Find a real issue. If you think stunning an animal is more humane, go stick a knife in the toaster and see how it feels. And if you think killing without stunning is inhuman then start a petition to call for stunning targets before shooting them at war. Or stunning civilians before dropping bombs on them. Or do you value animals over human lives.[/p][/quote]Depends on which humans...[/p][/quote]that comment makes you inhumane, scum.[/p][/quote]Thank you. Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Churchill, Saint George, Mussolini (had to look at the spelling)[/p][/quote]Whats the list for? you support them? or youre saying they should have bombs dropped on them? i wouldnt wish for torture and suffering on any human. whether thats hitler, or you. I believe that if somebody commits a major crime like hitler, he should be trialed in court or left for God to deal with. Am i inhumane for thinking that? eatmytruth
  • Score: -35

6:03am Sat 10 May 14

Jackael says...

eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Jackael wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them
Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a &quot;non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.
so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care
Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.
I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !!
Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.
Well that being the case, why dont you go and live where Halal slaughter is the norm i.e. Asia for example and leave us peace and it would save you the expense of importing it !!!
Who should i move to asia? I was born here. Lived here all my life and I am British.
I can eat what I want and when I want how I want. And so can you
It will become all to apparent to you in the near future of actually how British you are not...
define british please.. what makes you british (if thats what you are) and not me?
You're black for starters !!
1. i'm not 'black'
2. i'm of pakistani descent
3. you probably have a problem with that
4. i love people who are brown, white, black and everything in between (because thats what my religion teaches)
4. i couldn't care less what your racist mind thinks
5. I would make you cry if i ever met you
About number 5, no you would'nt, care to try ???
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: lol .... to be honest you just said you dont know what you are eating when it comes to chicken ..... so if you cant verify it do you not eat it ?.... you say pork is unclean but you eat chicken ..... chickens are also omnivores that will eat virtually anything that is put infront of them[/p][/quote]Well I'd go to a place where the process is very rigorously monitored and they have certification to say their process of halal slaughter is proper. And this certificate will be by an organisati on who I trust. And if I have any doubt I could always go and watch the farm/abbotoir/butche r. But thankyou for your concern. In regards to chickens, a farmer will feed it seeds. It will eat what it is fed. If you feed it chicken then it will eat chicken but only a "non halal" farmer would do that. The reason pigs are unclean is because they live in their faeces and they eat food out of their faeces. They have no sense of hygiene. Chicken pluck at their feathers to get rid of filth. Pigs don't care. Neither do pig farmers. And it has nothing to do with you what I refuse to eat and what I do eat. And to the person who mentioned charity. What charities do you donate to if you don't mind my asking. I for one completely disagree with giving money to comic relief. And I am entitled to that opinion.therefore I won't pick up the phone and give them money. It's called choice. We have choice as humans.[/p][/quote]so which fried chicken shop on deane/blackburn/st helens road would you recommend as i see muslims in them all ..... chickens do eat seed but they also eat there own muck and other chickens muck and basically anything they can when they are free range ..... unless they are kept warehoused up with no access to anything else but seed, but then if the chicken was constantly warehoused it wouldn't of had a good life so couldn't be halal .... correct me if i'm wrong .... and how many pig farmers do you know to be able to say they dont care[/p][/quote]Well to you I'd recommend KFC. And I am not your mummy so I'm not going to ask all the shops if they serve halal so you won't eat there. Chickens aren't filthy by nature though. And I don't speak for pig farmers nor do i know them. I dont eat pork so I don't really care what they think. But if you have ever seen a pig in its habitat. You would know what I mean when I say th ey are filthy by nature. But this debate is not about pig anyway. I don't care if you eat it or not. I don't eat pig because I don't want to. You can treat halal the same way if it's such a big issue to you.[/p][/quote]I dont know what all the fuss is about, besides Halal slaughter will be banned soon so that should be the end of it !![/p][/quote]Well if halal slaugher is banned, I would be the first to import halal slaughtered food and make a few million in the process. I don't know why anybody would want to ban halal and kosher food. We're not forcing it down your throats. Go eat somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Well that being the case, why dont you go and live where Halal slaughter is the norm i.e. Asia for example and leave us peace and it would save you the expense of importing it !!![/p][/quote]Who should i move to asia? I was born here. Lived here all my life and I am British. I can eat what I want and when I want how I want. And so can you[/p][/quote]It will become all to apparent to you in the near future of actually how British you are not...[/p][/quote]define british please.. what makes you british (if thats what you are) and not me?[/p][/quote]You're black for starters !![/p][/quote]1. i'm not 'black' 2. i'm of pakistani descent 3. you probably have a problem with that 4. i love people who are brown, white, black and everything in between (because thats what my religion teaches) 4. i couldn't care less what your racist mind thinks 5. I would make you cry if i ever met you[/p][/quote]About number 5, no you would'nt, care to try ??? Jackael
  • Score: 22

6:12am Sat 10 May 14

Jackael says...

Oh an while were on the subject of you being a perfect human being, loving all creeds and colours and all that, tell me... what do you think about Jews ??
Oh an while were on the subject of you being a perfect human being, loving all creeds and colours and all that, tell me... what do you think about Jews ?? Jackael
  • Score: 26

7:36am Sat 10 May 14

thomas222 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
how do you invent liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation ..... so before he (invented) oxidisation did nothing oxidise ? before he invented evaporation did nothing evaporate ?
fine you got me there with the wrong word. . he discovered it, defined it, taught it, used it to make more discoveries. He did invent the study of chemistry though
Google this name, Abbas ibn Firnas. He was the first man to attempt to fly. a VERY long time before westerners. He did too but he crashed on landing because he didnt have a tail. He started off the discovery of aviation. That is one of the most important of today.

Tell me some western inventions that are possible without inventions by muslims?
internet , internal combustion engine , cant be arsed just google it lol
internet may have been developed by america for use in the cold war. but the internet we use relies on algorithms. we wouldnt have google without them, or any search engine, and that would mean the internet is only used by super nerds who know how to find websites or the government, so you can thank muslims for that too.

The internal combustion engine relies on a crankshaft to convert power. and al jazari is the one who started development of the modern crankshaft. So again you can thank muslims for that too.

Anyway, i can see that whatever i say you will try to find someway to prove me wrong. so im going to leave you to it. I just thought id enlighten you a little with some history, but you have no interest in learning, only in belittling something which is too great for you to belittle. So good luck with life, youre gonna need it.
If he crash landed he didnt invent anything did he except for trying to fly as im sure many did before him and when was the finding of coffie a world changing invention that bettered the world for mankind...... as for the crankshaft claim is rubbish as they have a roman crankshaft from 2nd century times found in switseland a few hundred years before Islam was invented & have two machines from 3rd ad. Would any of the other great inventions you mention not be classed as very basic things we all had to some extent.. I was thinking more along the lines of.. electricity,internet
,mobiles, cars, life saving drugs,trains, the combustion engine, the plane, etc etc etc.... Any patented products by any Islamic countiries over the last 100 yrs will do if 1500 yrs is to hard for you.
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: how do you invent liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation ..... so before he (invented) oxidisation did nothing oxidise ? before he invented evaporation did nothing evaporate ?[/p][/quote]fine you got me there with the wrong word. . he discovered it, defined it, taught it, used it to make more discoveries. He did invent the study of chemistry though Google this name, Abbas ibn Firnas. He was the first man to attempt to fly. a VERY long time before westerners. He did too but he crashed on landing because he didnt have a tail. He started off the discovery of aviation. That is one of the most important of today. Tell me some western inventions that are possible without inventions by muslims?[/p][/quote]internet , internal combustion engine , cant be arsed just google it lol[/p][/quote]internet may have been developed by america for use in the cold war. but the internet we use relies on algorithms. we wouldnt have google without them, or any search engine, and that would mean the internet is only used by super nerds who know how to find websites or the government, so you can thank muslims for that too. The internal combustion engine relies on a crankshaft to convert power. and al jazari is the one who started development of the modern crankshaft. So again you can thank muslims for that too. Anyway, i can see that whatever i say you will try to find someway to prove me wrong. so im going to leave you to it. I just thought id enlighten you a little with some history, but you have no interest in learning, only in belittling something which is too great for you to belittle. So good luck with life, youre gonna need it.[/p][/quote]If he crash landed he didnt invent anything did he except for trying to fly as im sure many did before him and when was the finding of coffie a world changing invention that bettered the world for mankind...... as for the crankshaft claim is rubbish as they have a roman crankshaft from 2nd century times found in switseland a few hundred years before Islam was invented & have two machines from 3rd ad. Would any of the other great inventions you mention not be classed as very basic things we all had to some extent.. I was thinking more along the lines of.. electricity,internet ,mobiles, cars, life saving drugs,trains, the combustion engine, the plane, etc etc etc.... Any patented products by any Islamic countiries over the last 100 yrs will do if 1500 yrs is to hard for you. thomas222
  • Score: 13

9:29am Sat 10 May 14

Don't_Waste_My_Time says...

Instead of harping on about the rights & wrongs .. just look at the poll.. It speaks volumes and tells you what people want .. No halal slaughtering ..end of .. pretty simple .. save your time and don't waste mine .
Instead of harping on about the rights & wrongs .. just look at the poll.. It speaks volumes and tells you what people want .. No halal slaughtering ..end of .. pretty simple .. save your time and don't waste mine . Don't_Waste_My_Time
  • Score: 60

9:33am Sat 10 May 14

Reed Lover says...

CHICKENS have thanked consumers for their concern over methods of slaughter and asked if that goodwill could be extended to just leaving them alone.

As Pizza Express confirmed all their chicken meat is halal, Britain’s favourite birds stressed that being stunned before having their throats cuts in the traditional Muslim fashion was ‘small consolation’, and that, ideally, they would prefer to live in an orchard.

Jane Thomson, a four month-old chicken from Lincolnshire, said: “If I was a Pizza Express customer I’d probably want to know if they were using religious methods of slaughter, but it’s a moot point because I’m not a huge fan of pizza and I’m a prisoner in this massive shed.

“Still, it’s nice to know that before you shove me and all of my friends into your fat faces, you’re terribly worried about how we spend our last moments. You’re an amazing species and our admiration for you is boundless.”

Ms Thomson added: “Funnily enough, the humans who spend their meagre salaries at the popular chicken outlets are the ones with whom we feel the greatest affinity.

“Perhaps one day we’ll all live together in a big orchard and you can give us corn and we’ll give you eggs and no-one needs to die.

“Anyway, that’s my tuppence worth.”
CHICKENS have thanked consumers for their concern over methods of slaughter and asked if that goodwill could be extended to just leaving them alone. As Pizza Express confirmed all their chicken meat is halal, Britain’s favourite birds stressed that being stunned before having their throats cuts in the traditional Muslim fashion was ‘small consolation’, and that, ideally, they would prefer to live in an orchard. Jane Thomson, a four month-old chicken from Lincolnshire, said: “If I was a Pizza Express customer I’d probably want to know if they were using religious methods of slaughter, but it’s a moot point because I’m not a huge fan of pizza and I’m a prisoner in this massive shed. “Still, it’s nice to know that before you shove me and all of my friends into your fat faces, you’re terribly worried about how we spend our last moments. You’re an amazing species and our admiration for you is boundless.” Ms Thomson added: “Funnily enough, the humans who spend their meagre salaries at the popular chicken outlets are the ones with whom we feel the greatest affinity. “Perhaps one day we’ll all live together in a big orchard and you can give us corn and we’ll give you eggs and no-one needs to die. “Anyway, that’s my tuppence worth.” Reed Lover
  • Score: -56

9:53am Sat 10 May 14

eatmytruth says...

Jackael wrote:
Oh an while were on the subject of you being a perfect human being, loving all creeds and colours and all that, tell me... what do you think about Jews ??
Well i never said im perfect. Im just not hateful like you. And really that's none of your business but if you really want to know...
I have nothing against jews. We have more common beliefs with jews than any other people. We share a lot of practices with jews eg halal and kosher are identical in practice.
I think every person should be looked upon by merit. Ie if I person does good and is of good character then I have love for them. People of bad character and hateful views like yourself and the guy who called me black etc I couldn't care less about you.
If you look into islam and Judaism you will see that we have monotheism in common which means we believe there is only 1 god. The difference is that they don't believe muhammad (saw) was a messenger of God. Their basis for this belief is that he is arab and they think Arabs are unworthy. They also believe Arabs are created to be slaves to them. Ask an Israeli what they think of Arabs.
Now Israel I have some thing against. That is illegal occupation. Illegal settlements. Real apartheid against the Palestinians. See the separation wall. They deny palestine basic supplies through blockades etc.
And when Palestine tries to fight back against this oppression with inferior weapons, Israel drops bombs and white phosphorus on them (which is illegal)
I have something against the Israeli operation. But I don't have anything against jews. In fact real jews dislike israel for the same reasons. Which is why you will see many jews protesting along side muslims and human rights campaigners

Now tell me what the west has against jews?
Hitler allegedly operated the Holocaust. Was he Muslim?
Read about the York pogrom where the English oppressed the jews and kicked them out for 200 years. Jews suffered so badly th at they committed suicide en mass.
Muslims don't want to kick jews out of Arabia. They want to stop the aggressive and illegal expansion of zionist israel.

If you look beyond the daily mail and the islam phobic propaganda and look into islam. You will find that we refer to jews and Christians as people of the book.
This is because we believe God sent the torah and the bible. We also believe that over the years both books have been edited and manipulated by various people to suit their needs. Christians completely disregard 1 half of the bible (the old testament) and say we only follow the new t.

Also you will find that in islam the law states that instead of zakat (which non muslims don't want to pay) there is an alternative tax for non muslims living in a Muslim land. And when they pay the tax it becomes not only illegal but a god damning sin to cause them harm.

If you look into the holy books they predict the coming of anot her prophet. The torch predicted jesus. When jesus came they called him a liar and oppressed him. Jess predicted the coming of another prophet. And when muhammad ( SAW ) came. Only 1.3 billion people believed him. The jews and Christians are still waiting for another prophet.

Read a little. Learn a lot. And stop being a hateful little man. You'd be much happier if you stopped hating everything.
[quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: Oh an while were on the subject of you being a perfect human being, loving all creeds and colours and all that, tell me... what do you think about Jews ??[/p][/quote]Well i never said im perfect. Im just not hateful like you. And really that's none of your business but if you really want to know... I have nothing against jews. We have more common beliefs with jews than any other people. We share a lot of practices with jews eg halal and kosher are identical in practice. I think every person should be looked upon by merit. Ie if I person does good and is of good character then I have love for them. People of bad character and hateful views like yourself and the guy who called me black etc I couldn't care less about you. If you look into islam and Judaism you will see that we have monotheism in common which means we believe there is only 1 god. The difference is that they don't believe muhammad (saw) was a messenger of God. Their basis for this belief is that he is arab and they think Arabs are unworthy. They also believe Arabs are created to be slaves to them. Ask an Israeli what they think of Arabs. Now Israel I have some thing against. That is illegal occupation. Illegal settlements. Real apartheid against the Palestinians. See the separation wall. They deny palestine basic supplies through blockades etc. And when Palestine tries to fight back against this oppression with inferior weapons, Israel drops bombs and white phosphorus on them (which is illegal) I have something against the Israeli operation. But I don't have anything against jews. In fact real jews dislike israel for the same reasons. Which is why you will see many jews protesting along side muslims and human rights campaigners Now tell me what the west has against jews? Hitler allegedly operated the Holocaust. Was he Muslim? Read about the York pogrom where the English oppressed the jews and kicked them out for 200 years. Jews suffered so badly th at they committed suicide en mass. Muslims don't want to kick jews out of Arabia. They want to stop the aggressive and illegal expansion of zionist israel. If you look beyond the daily mail and the islam phobic propaganda and look into islam. You will find that we refer to jews and Christians as people of the book. This is because we believe God sent the torah and the bible. We also believe that over the years both books have been edited and manipulated by various people to suit their needs. Christians completely disregard 1 half of the bible (the old testament) and say we only follow the new t. Also you will find that in islam the law states that instead of zakat (which non muslims don't want to pay) there is an alternative tax for non muslims living in a Muslim land. And when they pay the tax it becomes not only illegal but a god damning sin to cause them harm. If you look into the holy books they predict the coming of anot her prophet. The torch predicted jesus. When jesus came they called him a liar and oppressed him. Jess predicted the coming of another prophet. And when muhammad ( SAW ) came. Only 1.3 billion people believed him. The jews and Christians are still waiting for another prophet. Read a little. Learn a lot. And stop being a hateful little man. You'd be much happier if you stopped hating everything. eatmytruth
  • Score: -57

10:01am Sat 10 May 14

eatmytruth says...

Reed Lover wrote:
CHICKENS have thanked consumers for their concern over methods of slaughter and asked if that goodwill could be extended to just leaving them alone.

As Pizza Express confirmed all their chicken meat is halal, Britain’s favourite birds stressed that being stunned before having their throats cuts in the traditional Muslim fashion was ‘small consolation’, and that, ideally, they would prefer to live in an orchard.

Jane Thomson, a four month-old chicken from Lincolnshire, said: “If I was a Pizza Express customer I’d probably want to know if they were using religious methods of slaughter, but it’s a moot point because I’m not a huge fan of pizza and I’m a prisoner in this massive shed.

“Still, it’s nice to know that before you shove me and all of my friends into your fat faces, you’re terribly worried about how we spend our last moments. You’re an amazing species and our admiration for you is boundless.”

Ms Thomson added: “Funnily enough, the humans who spend their meagre salaries at the popular chicken outlets are the ones with whom we feel the greatest affinity.

“Perhaps one day we’ll all live together in a big orchard and you can give us corn and we’ll give you eggs and no-one needs to die.

“Anyway, that’s my tuppence worth.”
haha that was funny to read. But I have doubts about whether they would happily give their babies away for corn.
[quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: CHICKENS have thanked consumers for their concern over methods of slaughter and asked if that goodwill could be extended to just leaving them alone. As Pizza Express confirmed all their chicken meat is halal, Britain’s favourite birds stressed that being stunned before having their throats cuts in the traditional Muslim fashion was ‘small consolation’, and that, ideally, they would prefer to live in an orchard. Jane Thomson, a four month-old chicken from Lincolnshire, said: “If I was a Pizza Express customer I’d probably want to know if they were using religious methods of slaughter, but it’s a moot point because I’m not a huge fan of pizza and I’m a prisoner in this massive shed. “Still, it’s nice to know that before you shove me and all of my friends into your fat faces, you’re terribly worried about how we spend our last moments. You’re an amazing species and our admiration for you is boundless.” Ms Thomson added: “Funnily enough, the humans who spend their meagre salaries at the popular chicken outlets are the ones with whom we feel the greatest affinity. “Perhaps one day we’ll all live together in a big orchard and you can give us corn and we’ll give you eggs and no-one needs to die. “Anyway, that’s my tuppence worth.”[/p][/quote]haha that was funny to read. But I have doubts about whether they would happily give their babies away for corn. eatmytruth
  • Score: -45

10:06am Sat 10 May 14

eatmytruth says...

Don't_Waste_My_Time wrote:
Instead of harping on about the rights &amp; wrongs .. just look at the poll.. It speaks volumes and tells you what people want .. No halal slaughtering ..end of .. pretty simple .. save your time and don't waste mine .
It tells you what the user's of bolton news online want. Not what people want. Most of the readers are non Muslim anyway. So it is biased already. And as clearly demon started by yourself and your fellows. Most of you are uneducated as to what halal actually is.

This will be my last comment on this topic.
If you want to see for yourself what halal slaughter is watch this video.

https://www.youtube.

com/watch?v=KGmGng_t

MrI

And then watch this one to compare what stunned animals go through
https://www.youtube.

com/watch?v=9V2T9I0Q

rL8

Goodbye.
[quote][p][bold]Don't_Waste_My_Time[/bold] wrote: Instead of harping on about the rights & wrongs .. just look at the poll.. It speaks volumes and tells you what people want .. No halal slaughtering ..end of .. pretty simple .. save your time and don't waste mine .[/p][/quote]It tells you what the user's of bolton news online want. Not what people want. Most of the readers are non Muslim anyway. So it is biased already. And as clearly demon started by yourself and your fellows. Most of you are uneducated as to what halal actually is. This will be my last comment on this topic. If you want to see for yourself what halal slaughter is watch this video. https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=KGmGng_t MrI And then watch this one to compare what stunned animals go through https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=9V2T9I0Q rL8 Goodbye. eatmytruth
  • Score: 40

11:03am Sat 10 May 14

Lawlesschat says...

Wow! What a pointless debate.
The opinions of some i.e Thomas222 are nothing short than amazingly stupendous, do you really believe that the consumption of a Hallal meat will somehow convert the masses to Islam or believe this is a Muslim conspiracy of some sort?
The companies supplying the meat are non Muslim, the debate needs to be taken back to where the meat originates from. It's not Muslim's who control it's sale to the masses, rather companies making a profit.
Regarding the issue of Kosher meat not making it to the supermarkets and sold to the masses, the Jews have their own private slaughter houses and will not allow it to be done in any other way. The Muslims on the other hand integrate better with the mass populous and share in business interest with the indigenous outlets.

On the flip side of the debate, if you're that passionate about animal cruelty and animal slaughter .... Easy. Stop eating meat.

I am for one completely for the idea of people rearing their own meat products and limiting the availability of it in supermarkets, it would give people a greater appreciation and respect for the lives of the creatures they so readily eat .
Wow! What a pointless debate. The opinions of some i.e Thomas222 are nothing short than amazingly stupendous, do you really believe that the consumption of a Hallal meat will somehow convert the masses to Islam or believe this is a Muslim conspiracy of some sort? The companies supplying the meat are non Muslim, the debate needs to be taken back to where the meat originates from. It's not Muslim's who control it's sale to the masses, rather companies making a profit. Regarding the issue of Kosher meat not making it to the supermarkets and sold to the masses, the Jews have their own private slaughter houses and will not allow it to be done in any other way. The Muslims on the other hand integrate better with the mass populous and share in business interest with the indigenous outlets. On the flip side of the debate, if you're that passionate about animal cruelty and animal slaughter .... Easy. Stop eating meat. I am for one completely for the idea of people rearing their own meat products and limiting the availability of it in supermarkets, it would give people a greater appreciation and respect for the lives of the creatures they so readily eat . Lawlesschat
  • Score: -27

11:03am Sat 10 May 14

lv8151 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Smeagol wrote:
Oh yes, and I will read your earlier post about the humane issue, as I really don't know much about that side of things.
I will summarise it for you here.

it was basically a comparission of the 2 methods ie stunning and non stunning and the logic behind the islamic ruling on animal slaughter.

Firstly Muhammad (SAW) was an wholly against animal suffering and cruelty. He taught the following rules,

The knife used must be extremely sharp. So sharp that you wouldnt feel pain if you slice your finger. I have experienced cutting my finger whilst chopping veg and didnt know till way later whilst washing my hands. Its true, a very sharp knife doesnt hurt straight away (try it if youre daring),

Secondly the cut must be through the vital tubes in the throat to ensure immediate death. This means by the time an animal can realise it has been cut, it is already dead.

Thirdly the abbatoir must stand behind the animal and not let it see the knife, that way the animal has no idea what is about to happen, that means it doesnt panic, it doesnt feel the cut and it doesnt struggle.

Fourthly the slaughtering must not take place where other animals of the same species can see it. The reason being that the other animals will suffer from panic and become stressed.

Fifthly we must take Gods name because all creatures belong to God and we are using them for food. Christians say grace at the table, we do it at slaughter, Jews do it exactly the same as muslims. (which is why it is acceptable to eat Kosher meat if it is slaughtered by orthodox jews who still practice the original teachings of the torah) and if christians still maintained the bible and followed the method given in it, we would be allowed to eat their meat too.

Praying on the food doesnt affect the meat itself, it affects the accountability of it. Think of it as taking Gods permission before you kill one of his creatures for food, and thanking him at the same time for providing nourishment.

This is just what i picked up from quick research. there are more points to it eg not doing it at a stone altar as it becomes sort of worship, and there are specifics around using hunting dogs and specific rulings around guns and spears (one shot kills only to minimise suffering)
but the basics are what i wrote further up.
Hope that helps in some way.

As for the modern method.
Animals are mistreated first of all, they are shackled and hung upside down, straight away inducing panic. theyre dipped in a water bath which is electrified (this is painful) and i dont see it as humane at all. Some animals might regain consciousness, some might die from the shock, some might not be unconcious, some might actually be unconscious as intended, theres no guarantee. Then they are decapitated by a rotary blade.

Now if you were the bird, would you rather be hung by your feet, hearing all the whizzing and squaking and banging and buzzing electricity whilst seeing fellow chickens being killed before being dipped in water and having your brain blown. Or would you rather not have a clue and all of a sudden somebody holds your neck and it all goes dark very quickly?

just because the rspca says halal is inhumane without stunning, it doesnt mean it is. Make your own judgement call, and i would like some feedback if you dont mind.
a bit of feed back :)
http://www.liveleak.




com/view?i=545_13458




00806#8S3kLX5tzPUEX2




6b.01
These cows are not treated very well. this is called industrialisation, which is a western invention.
You people keep mentioning stunning is more humane. What you dont realise is that abattoirs dont stun animals to be humane, they stun them to make it easy to hook them up.
Let me tell you how stunning really takes place.

Animals are locked in a room with the stunner.
Maybe the first one doesnt know what is happening, the guy stuns them with a bolt gun. The sheep drops to the floor in temporary paralysis, just long enough to hook them up. then theyre on the hook, sometimes kicking to get free, sometimes just hanging in consciousness after giving up.
They arent dead. they know they are hanging, they know they are in danger, they are in panic, kicking in frenzy, AFTER being stunned.

By now the second third fourth sheep are in panic trying to get away. they just get zapped aswel, fall to the ground kicking their legs still, fully conscious.
Then they are hooked up and come back to their sense, by then the purpose of stunning is complete. who cares if theyre alive, asleep, dead. no difference,
watch this if you want proof. https://www.youtube.



com/watch?v=9V2T9I0Q



rL8
wether it is through industrialisation or not the halal slaughtering in the video wasn't as you described it not long ago in earlier post .....and the video you posted doesn't exist
Here it is again, https://www.youtube.

com/watch?v=-TFdHAnp

TYI

The video you posted is not considered halal methodology by me. The cows see the knife, they know theyre about to be slaughtered, they are in panic. there is no real indication if them examples were really even halal slaughter houses. you just showed me non stunned slaughter and the editor said theyre halal.

If you want to see a real halal slaughter, the way shown to us through islams teachings, watch this video from 10 minutes onwards

https://www.youtube.

com/watch?v=KGmGng_t

MrI

if you want to watch it all, there are 3 parts in total, this being the last.
This man shows you what real Halal is. This method ensures that the animal is calm, they are relaxed, they are not seen by fellows, the knife is sharp, the abbatoir is behind the animals head, and it is done swiftly. If you watch an animal being electrocuted it suffers more than this un stunned sheep in the video.
Im even considering starting up an establishment to bring real halal to bolton.
Maybe slip a few lambs on the back of a tesco truck in 'stealth' mode.
to bring real halal to bolton .... so you admit that the way halal is slaughtered at the moment in bolton is cruel .... and you can't see why it is not liked .... and if you want to bring real halal slaughtering to bolton are you saying all the halal slaughtered in bolton is against your religiopus views and no-one in bolton is slaughtering the correct way?
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Smeagol[/bold] wrote: Oh yes, and I will read your earlier post about the humane issue, as I really don't know much about that side of things.[/p][/quote]I will summarise it for you here. it was basically a comparission of the 2 methods ie stunning and non stunning and the logic behind the islamic ruling on animal slaughter. Firstly Muhammad (SAW) was an wholly against animal suffering and cruelty. He taught the following rules, The knife used must be extremely sharp. So sharp that you wouldnt feel pain if you slice your finger. I have experienced cutting my finger whilst chopping veg and didnt know till way later whilst washing my hands. Its true, a very sharp knife doesnt hurt straight away (try it if youre daring), Secondly the cut must be through the vital tubes in the throat to ensure immediate death. This means by the time an animal can realise it has been cut, it is already dead. Thirdly the abbatoir must stand behind the animal and not let it see the knife, that way the animal has no idea what is about to happen, that means it doesnt panic, it doesnt feel the cut and it doesnt struggle. Fourthly the slaughtering must not take place where other animals of the same species can see it. The reason being that the other animals will suffer from panic and become stressed. Fifthly we must take Gods name because all creatures belong to God and we are using them for food. Christians say grace at the table, we do it at slaughter, Jews do it exactly the same as muslims. (which is why it is acceptable to eat Kosher meat if it is slaughtered by orthodox jews who still practice the original teachings of the torah) and if christians still maintained the bible and followed the method given in it, we would be allowed to eat their meat too. Praying on the food doesnt affect the meat itself, it affects the accountability of it. Think of it as taking Gods permission before you kill one of his creatures for food, and thanking him at the same time for providing nourishment. This is just what i picked up from quick research. there are more points to it eg not doing it at a stone altar as it becomes sort of worship, and there are specifics around using hunting dogs and specific rulings around guns and spears (one shot kills only to minimise suffering) but the basics are what i wrote further up. Hope that helps in some way. As for the modern method. Animals are mistreated first of all, they are shackled and hung upside down, straight away inducing panic. theyre dipped in a water bath which is electrified (this is painful) and i dont see it as humane at all. Some animals might regain consciousness, some might die from the shock, some might not be unconcious, some might actually be unconscious as intended, theres no guarantee. Then they are decapitated by a rotary blade. Now if you were the bird, would you rather be hung by your feet, hearing all the whizzing and squaking and banging and buzzing electricity whilst seeing fellow chickens being killed before being dipped in water and having your brain blown. Or would you rather not have a clue and all of a sudden somebody holds your neck and it all goes dark very quickly? just because the rspca says halal is inhumane without stunning, it doesnt mean it is. Make your own judgement call, and i would like some feedback if you dont mind.[/p][/quote]a bit of feed back :) http://www.liveleak. com/view?i=545_13458 00806#8S3kLX5tzPUEX2 6b.01[/p][/quote]These cows are not treated very well. this is called industrialisation, which is a western invention. You people keep mentioning stunning is more humane. What you dont realise is that abattoirs dont stun animals to be humane, they stun them to make it easy to hook them up. Let me tell you how stunning really takes place. Animals are locked in a room with the stunner. Maybe the first one doesnt know what is happening, the guy stuns them with a bolt gun. The sheep drops to the floor in temporary paralysis, just long enough to hook them up. then theyre on the hook, sometimes kicking to get free, sometimes just hanging in consciousness after giving up. They arent dead. they know they are hanging, they know they are in danger, they are in panic, kicking in frenzy, AFTER being stunned. By now the second third fourth sheep are in panic trying to get away. they just get zapped aswel, fall to the ground kicking their legs still, fully conscious. Then they are hooked up and come back to their sense, by then the purpose of stunning is complete. who cares if theyre alive, asleep, dead. no difference, watch this if you want proof. https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=9V2T9I0Q rL8[/p][/quote]wether it is through industrialisation or not the halal slaughtering in the video wasn't as you described it not long ago in earlier post .....and the video you posted doesn't exist[/p][/quote]Here it is again, https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=-TFdHAnp TYI The video you posted is not considered halal methodology by me. The cows see the knife, they know theyre about to be slaughtered, they are in panic. there is no real indication if them examples were really even halal slaughter houses. you just showed me non stunned slaughter and the editor said theyre halal. If you want to see a real halal slaughter, the way shown to us through islams teachings, watch this video from 10 minutes onwards https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=KGmGng_t MrI if you want to watch it all, there are 3 parts in total, this being the last. This man shows you what real Halal is. This method ensures that the animal is calm, they are relaxed, they are not seen by fellows, the knife is sharp, the abbatoir is behind the animals head, and it is done swiftly. If you watch an animal being electrocuted it suffers more than this un stunned sheep in the video. Im even considering starting up an establishment to bring real halal to bolton. Maybe slip a few lambs on the back of a tesco truck in 'stealth' mode.[/p][/quote]to bring real halal to bolton .... so you admit that the way halal is slaughtered at the moment in bolton is cruel .... and you can't see why it is not liked .... and if you want to bring real halal slaughtering to bolton are you saying all the halal slaughtered in bolton is against your religiopus views and no-one in bolton is slaughtering the correct way? lv8151
  • Score: 15

11:30am Sat 10 May 14

thomas222 says...

Lawlesschat wrote:
Wow! What a pointless debate.
The opinions of some i.e Thomas222 are nothing short than amazingly stupendous, do you really believe that the consumption of a Hallal meat will somehow convert the masses to Islam or believe this is a Muslim conspiracy of some sort?
The companies supplying the meat are non Muslim, the debate needs to be taken back to where the meat originates from. It's not Muslim's who control it's sale to the masses, rather companies making a profit.
Regarding the issue of Kosher meat not making it to the supermarkets and sold to the masses, the Jews have their own private slaughter houses and will not allow it to be done in any other way. The Muslims on the other hand integrate better with the mass populous and share in business interest with the indigenous outlets.

On the flip side of the debate, if you're that passionate about animal cruelty and animal slaughter .... Easy. Stop eating meat.

I am for one completely for the idea of people rearing their own meat products and limiting the availability of it in supermarkets, it would give people a greater appreciation and respect for the lives of the creatures they so readily eat .
Yes you are correct another debate that should have been turned into a you are racist shouts yet again with any subject in Islam towards British when concerns are raised regarding certain issues. Imagine the uproar in any Muslim countries that had companies who by stealth and secrecy fed non halal food to 95% of the population because 5% of the Immigrant arrivals in that Country were non Halal. If you can think about that for a min would you. Its not a Muslim **** up its the Companies who have done it in secret & thats what people dont like as well as the animal issue some may have. Its also fact that a % goes to !00 % Islamic Charitys only and no one asked any permission to do this. Charity is giving not having it taken from you without consent or knowledge. Thats why the real anger. Taking the ****!
[quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: Wow! What a pointless debate. The opinions of some i.e Thomas222 are nothing short than amazingly stupendous, do you really believe that the consumption of a Hallal meat will somehow convert the masses to Islam or believe this is a Muslim conspiracy of some sort? The companies supplying the meat are non Muslim, the debate needs to be taken back to where the meat originates from. It's not Muslim's who control it's sale to the masses, rather companies making a profit. Regarding the issue of Kosher meat not making it to the supermarkets and sold to the masses, the Jews have their own private slaughter houses and will not allow it to be done in any other way. The Muslims on the other hand integrate better with the mass populous and share in business interest with the indigenous outlets. On the flip side of the debate, if you're that passionate about animal cruelty and animal slaughter .... Easy. Stop eating meat. I am for one completely for the idea of people rearing their own meat products and limiting the availability of it in supermarkets, it would give people a greater appreciation and respect for the lives of the creatures they so readily eat .[/p][/quote]Yes you are correct another debate that should have been turned into a you are racist shouts yet again with any subject in Islam towards British when concerns are raised regarding certain issues. Imagine the uproar in any Muslim countries that had companies who by stealth and secrecy fed non halal food to 95% of the population because 5% of the Immigrant arrivals in that Country were non Halal. If you can think about that for a min would you. Its not a Muslim **** up its the Companies who have done it in secret & thats what people dont like as well as the animal issue some may have. Its also fact that a % goes to !00 % Islamic Charitys only and no one asked any permission to do this. Charity is giving not having it taken from you without consent or knowledge. Thats why the real anger. Taking the ****! thomas222
  • Score: 36

11:40am Sat 10 May 14

eatmytruth says...

lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Smeagol wrote:
Oh yes, and I will read your earlier post about the humane issue, as I really don't know much about that side of things.
I will summarise it for you here.

it was basically a comparission of the 2 methods ie stunning and non stunning and the logic behind the islamic ruling on animal slaughter.

Firstly Muhammad (SAW) was an wholly against animal suffering and cruelty. He taught the following rules,

The knife used must be extremely sharp. So sharp that you wouldnt feel pain if you slice your finger. I have experienced cutting my finger whilst chopping veg and didnt know till way later whilst washing my hands. Its true, a very sharp knife doesnt hurt straight away (try it if youre daring),

Secondly the cut must be through the vital tubes in the throat to ensure immediate death. This means by the time an animal can realise it has been cut, it is already dead.

Thirdly the abbatoir must stand behind the animal and not let it see the knife, that way the animal has no idea what is about to happen, that means it doesnt panic, it doesnt feel the cut and it doesnt struggle.

Fourthly the slaughtering must not take place where other animals of the same species can see it. The reason being that the other animals will suffer from panic and become stressed.

Fifthly we must take Gods name because all creatures belong to God and we are using them for food. Christians say grace at the table, we do it at slaughter, Jews do it exactly the same as muslims. (which is why it is acceptable to eat Kosher meat if it is slaughtered by orthodox jews who still practice the original teachings of the torah) and if christians still maintained the bible and followed the method given in it, we would be allowed to eat their meat too.

Praying on the food doesnt affect the meat itself, it affects the accountability of it. Think of it as taking Gods permission before you kill one of his creatures for food, and thanking him at the same time for providing nourishment.

This is just what i picked up from quick research. there are more points to it eg not doing it at a stone altar as it becomes sort of worship, and there are specifics around using hunting dogs and specific rulings around guns and spears (one shot kills only to minimise suffering)
but the basics are what i wrote further up.
Hope that helps in some way.

As for the modern method.
Animals are mistreated first of all, they are shackled and hung upside down, straight away inducing panic. theyre dipped in a water bath which is electrified (this is painful) and i dont see it as humane at all. Some animals might regain consciousness, some might die from the shock, some might not be unconcious, some might actually be unconscious as intended, theres no guarantee. Then they are decapitated by a rotary blade.

Now if you were the bird, would you rather be hung by your feet, hearing all the whizzing and squaking and banging and buzzing electricity whilst seeing fellow chickens being killed before being dipped in water and having your brain blown. Or would you rather not have a clue and all of a sudden somebody holds your neck and it all goes dark very quickly?

just because the rspca says halal is inhumane without stunning, it doesnt mean it is. Make your own judgement call, and i would like some feedback if you dont mind.
a bit of feed back :)
http://www.liveleak.





com/view?i=545_13458





00806#8S3kLX5tzPUEX2





6b.01
These cows are not treated very well. this is called industrialisation, which is a western invention.
You people keep mentioning stunning is more humane. What you dont realise is that abattoirs dont stun animals to be humane, they stun them to make it easy to hook them up.
Let me tell you how stunning really takes place.

Animals are locked in a room with the stunner.
Maybe the first one doesnt know what is happening, the guy stuns them with a bolt gun. The sheep drops to the floor in temporary paralysis, just long enough to hook them up. then theyre on the hook, sometimes kicking to get free, sometimes just hanging in consciousness after giving up.
They arent dead. they know they are hanging, they know they are in danger, they are in panic, kicking in frenzy, AFTER being stunned.

By now the second third fourth sheep are in panic trying to get away. they just get zapped aswel, fall to the ground kicking their legs still, fully conscious.
Then they are hooked up and come back to their sense, by then the purpose of stunning is complete. who cares if theyre alive, asleep, dead. no difference,
watch this if you want proof. https://www.youtube.




com/watch?v=9V2T9I0Q




rL8
wether it is through industrialisation or not the halal slaughtering in the video wasn't as you described it not long ago in earlier post .....and the video you posted doesn't exist
Here it is again, https://www.youtube.


com/watch?v=-TFdHAnp


TYI

The video you posted is not considered halal methodology by me. The cows see the knife, they know theyre about to be slaughtered, they are in panic. there is no real indication if them examples were really even halal slaughter houses. you just showed me non stunned slaughter and the editor said theyre halal.

If you want to see a real halal slaughter, the way shown to us through islams teachings, watch this video from 10 minutes onwards

https://www.youtube.


com/watch?v=KGmGng_t


MrI

if you want to watch it all, there are 3 parts in total, this being the last.
This man shows you what real Halal is. This method ensures that the animal is calm, they are relaxed, they are not seen by fellows, the knife is sharp, the abbatoir is behind the animals head, and it is done swiftly. If you watch an animal being electrocuted it suffers more than this un stunned sheep in the video.
Im even considering starting up an establishment to bring real halal to bolton.
Maybe slip a few lambs on the back of a tesco truck in 'stealth' mode.
to bring real halal to bolton .... so you admit that the way halal is slaughtered at the moment in bolton is cruel .... and you can't see why it is not liked .... and if you want to bring real halal slaughtering to bolton are you saying all the halal slaughtered in bolton is against your religiopus views and no-one in bolton is slaughtering the correct way?
Goodbye lv8151 and Thomas. It was a pleasure discussing with you. If you have any further questions feel free to leave your email address and I will happily discuss with you further. I have no time to scroll down this thread everytime I want to leave a comment.
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Smeagol[/bold] wrote: Oh yes, and I will read your earlier post about the humane issue, as I really don't know much about that side of things.[/p][/quote]I will summarise it for you here. it was basically a comparission of the 2 methods ie stunning and non stunning and the logic behind the islamic ruling on animal slaughter. Firstly Muhammad (SAW) was an wholly against animal suffering and cruelty. He taught the following rules, The knife used must be extremely sharp. So sharp that you wouldnt feel pain if you slice your finger. I have experienced cutting my finger whilst chopping veg and didnt know till way later whilst washing my hands. Its true, a very sharp knife doesnt hurt straight away (try it if youre daring), Secondly the cut must be through the vital tubes in the throat to ensure immediate death. This means by the time an animal can realise it has been cut, it is already dead. Thirdly the abbatoir must stand behind the animal and not let it see the knife, that way the animal has no idea what is about to happen, that means it doesnt panic, it doesnt feel the cut and it doesnt struggle. Fourthly the slaughtering must not take place where other animals of the same species can see it. The reason being that the other animals will suffer from panic and become stressed. Fifthly we must take Gods name because all creatures belong to God and we are using them for food. Christians say grace at the table, we do it at slaughter, Jews do it exactly the same as muslims. (which is why it is acceptable to eat Kosher meat if it is slaughtered by orthodox jews who still practice the original teachings of the torah) and if christians still maintained the bible and followed the method given in it, we would be allowed to eat their meat too. Praying on the food doesnt affect the meat itself, it affects the accountability of it. Think of it as taking Gods permission before you kill one of his creatures for food, and thanking him at the same time for providing nourishment. This is just what i picked up from quick research. there are more points to it eg not doing it at a stone altar as it becomes sort of worship, and there are specifics around using hunting dogs and specific rulings around guns and spears (one shot kills only to minimise suffering) but the basics are what i wrote further up. Hope that helps in some way. As for the modern method. Animals are mistreated first of all, they are shackled and hung upside down, straight away inducing panic. theyre dipped in a water bath which is electrified (this is painful) and i dont see it as humane at all. Some animals might regain consciousness, some might die from the shock, some might not be unconcious, some might actually be unconscious as intended, theres no guarantee. Then they are decapitated by a rotary blade. Now if you were the bird, would you rather be hung by your feet, hearing all the whizzing and squaking and banging and buzzing electricity whilst seeing fellow chickens being killed before being dipped in water and having your brain blown. Or would you rather not have a clue and all of a sudden somebody holds your neck and it all goes dark very quickly? just because the rspca says halal is inhumane without stunning, it doesnt mean it is. Make your own judgement call, and i would like some feedback if you dont mind.[/p][/quote]a bit of feed back :) http://www.liveleak. com/view?i=545_13458 00806#8S3kLX5tzPUEX2 6b.01[/p][/quote]These cows are not treated very well. this is called industrialisation, which is a western invention. You people keep mentioning stunning is more humane. What you dont realise is that abattoirs dont stun animals to be humane, they stun them to make it easy to hook them up. Let me tell you how stunning really takes place. Animals are locked in a room with the stunner. Maybe the first one doesnt know what is happening, the guy stuns them with a bolt gun. The sheep drops to the floor in temporary paralysis, just long enough to hook them up. then theyre on the hook, sometimes kicking to get free, sometimes just hanging in consciousness after giving up. They arent dead. they know they are hanging, they know they are in danger, they are in panic, kicking in frenzy, AFTER being stunned. By now the second third fourth sheep are in panic trying to get away. they just get zapped aswel, fall to the ground kicking their legs still, fully conscious. Then they are hooked up and come back to their sense, by then the purpose of stunning is complete. who cares if theyre alive, asleep, dead. no difference, watch this if you want proof. https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=9V2T9I0Q rL8[/p][/quote]wether it is through industrialisation or not the halal slaughtering in the video wasn't as you described it not long ago in earlier post .....and the video you posted doesn't exist[/p][/quote]Here it is again, https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=-TFdHAnp TYI The video you posted is not considered halal methodology by me. The cows see the knife, they know theyre about to be slaughtered, they are in panic. there is no real indication if them examples were really even halal slaughter houses. you just showed me non stunned slaughter and the editor said theyre halal. If you want to see a real halal slaughter, the way shown to us through islams teachings, watch this video from 10 minutes onwards https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=KGmGng_t MrI if you want to watch it all, there are 3 parts in total, this being the last. This man shows you what real Halal is. This method ensures that the animal is calm, they are relaxed, they are not seen by fellows, the knife is sharp, the abbatoir is behind the animals head, and it is done swiftly. If you watch an animal being electrocuted it suffers more than this un stunned sheep in the video. Im even considering starting up an establishment to bring real halal to bolton. Maybe slip a few lambs on the back of a tesco truck in 'stealth' mode.[/p][/quote]to bring real halal to bolton .... so you admit that the way halal is slaughtered at the moment in bolton is cruel .... and you can't see why it is not liked .... and if you want to bring real halal slaughtering to bolton are you saying all the halal slaughtered in bolton is against your religiopus views and no-one in bolton is slaughtering the correct way?[/p][/quote]Goodbye lv8151 and Thomas. It was a pleasure discussing with you. If you have any further questions feel free to leave your email address and I will happily discuss with you further. I have no time to scroll down this thread everytime I want to leave a comment. eatmytruth
  • Score: -28

11:50am Sat 10 May 14

thomas222 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Smeagol wrote:
Oh yes, and I will read your earlier post about the humane issue, as I really don't know much about that side of things.
I will summarise it for you here.

it was basically a comparission of the 2 methods ie stunning and non stunning and the logic behind the islamic ruling on animal slaughter.

Firstly Muhammad (SAW) was an wholly against animal suffering and cruelty. He taught the following rules,

The knife used must be extremely sharp. So sharp that you wouldnt feel pain if you slice your finger. I have experienced cutting my finger whilst chopping veg and didnt know till way later whilst washing my hands. Its true, a very sharp knife doesnt hurt straight away (try it if youre daring),

Secondly the cut must be through the vital tubes in the throat to ensure immediate death. This means by the time an animal can realise it has been cut, it is already dead.

Thirdly the abbatoir must stand behind the animal and not let it see the knife, that way the animal has no idea what is about to happen, that means it doesnt panic, it doesnt feel the cut and it doesnt struggle.

Fourthly the slaughtering must not take place where other animals of the same species can see it. The reason being that the other animals will suffer from panic and become stressed.

Fifthly we must take Gods name because all creatures belong to God and we are using them for food. Christians say grace at the table, we do it at slaughter, Jews do it exactly the same as muslims. (which is why it is acceptable to eat Kosher meat if it is slaughtered by orthodox jews who still practice the original teachings of the torah) and if christians still maintained the bible and followed the method given in it, we would be allowed to eat their meat too.

Praying on the food doesnt affect the meat itself, it affects the accountability of it. Think of it as taking Gods permission before you kill one of his creatures for food, and thanking him at the same time for providing nourishment.

This is just what i picked up from quick research. there are more points to it eg not doing it at a stone altar as it becomes sort of worship, and there are specifics around using hunting dogs and specific rulings around guns and spears (one shot kills only to minimise suffering)
but the basics are what i wrote further up.
Hope that helps in some way.

As for the modern method.
Animals are mistreated first of all, they are shackled and hung upside down, straight away inducing panic. theyre dipped in a water bath which is electrified (this is painful) and i dont see it as humane at all. Some animals might regain consciousness, some might die from the shock, some might not be unconcious, some might actually be unconscious as intended, theres no guarantee. Then they are decapitated by a rotary blade.

Now if you were the bird, would you rather be hung by your feet, hearing all the whizzing and squaking and banging and buzzing electricity whilst seeing fellow chickens being killed before being dipped in water and having your brain blown. Or would you rather not have a clue and all of a sudden somebody holds your neck and it all goes dark very quickly?

just because the rspca says halal is inhumane without stunning, it doesnt mean it is. Make your own judgement call, and i would like some feedback if you dont mind.
a bit of feed back :)
http://www.liveleak.






com/view?i=545_13458






00806#8S3kLX5tzPUEX2






6b.01
These cows are not treated very well. this is called industrialisation, which is a western invention.
You people keep mentioning stunning is more humane. What you dont realise is that abattoirs dont stun animals to be humane, they stun them to make it easy to hook them up.
Let me tell you how stunning really takes place.

Animals are locked in a room with the stunner.
Maybe the first one doesnt know what is happening, the guy stuns them with a bolt gun. The sheep drops to the floor in temporary paralysis, just long enough to hook them up. then theyre on the hook, sometimes kicking to get free, sometimes just hanging in consciousness after giving up.
They arent dead. they know they are hanging, they know they are in danger, they are in panic, kicking in frenzy, AFTER being stunned.

By now the second third fourth sheep are in panic trying to get away. they just get zapped aswel, fall to the ground kicking their legs still, fully conscious.
Then they are hooked up and come back to their sense, by then the purpose of stunning is complete. who cares if theyre alive, asleep, dead. no difference,
watch this if you want proof. https://www.youtube.





com/watch?v=9V2T9I0Q





rL8
wether it is through industrialisation or not the halal slaughtering in the video wasn't as you described it not long ago in earlier post .....and the video you posted doesn't exist
Here it is again, https://www.youtube.



com/watch?v=-TFdHAnp



TYI

The video you posted is not considered halal methodology by me. The cows see the knife, they know theyre about to be slaughtered, they are in panic. there is no real indication if them examples were really even halal slaughter houses. you just showed me non stunned slaughter and the editor said theyre halal.

If you want to see a real halal slaughter, the way shown to us through islams teachings, watch this video from 10 minutes onwards

https://www.youtube.



com/watch?v=KGmGng_t



MrI

if you want to watch it all, there are 3 parts in total, this being the last.
This man shows you what real Halal is. This method ensures that the animal is calm, they are relaxed, they are not seen by fellows, the knife is sharp, the abbatoir is behind the animals head, and it is done swiftly. If you watch an animal being electrocuted it suffers more than this un stunned sheep in the video.
Im even considering starting up an establishment to bring real halal to bolton.
Maybe slip a few lambs on the back of a tesco truck in 'stealth' mode.
to bring real halal to bolton .... so you admit that the way halal is slaughtered at the moment in bolton is cruel .... and you can't see why it is not liked .... and if you want to bring real halal slaughtering to bolton are you saying all the halal slaughtered in bolton is against your religiopus views and no-one in bolton is slaughtering the correct way?
Goodbye lv8151 and Thomas. It was a pleasure discussing with you. If you have any further questions feel free to leave your email address and I will happily discuss with you further. I have no time to scroll down this thread everytime I want to leave a comment.
See you later TRO.
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Smeagol[/bold] wrote: Oh yes, and I will read your earlier post about the humane issue, as I really don't know much about that side of things.[/p][/quote]I will summarise it for you here. it was basically a comparission of the 2 methods ie stunning and non stunning and the logic behind the islamic ruling on animal slaughter. Firstly Muhammad (SAW) was an wholly against animal suffering and cruelty. He taught the following rules, The knife used must be extremely sharp. So sharp that you wouldnt feel pain if you slice your finger. I have experienced cutting my finger whilst chopping veg and didnt know till way later whilst washing my hands. Its true, a very sharp knife doesnt hurt straight away (try it if youre daring), Secondly the cut must be through the vital tubes in the throat to ensure immediate death. This means by the time an animal can realise it has been cut, it is already dead. Thirdly the abbatoir must stand behind the animal and not let it see the knife, that way the animal has no idea what is about to happen, that means it doesnt panic, it doesnt feel the cut and it doesnt struggle. Fourthly the slaughtering must not take place where other animals of the same species can see it. The reason being that the other animals will suffer from panic and become stressed. Fifthly we must take Gods name because all creatures belong to God and we are using them for food. Christians say grace at the table, we do it at slaughter, Jews do it exactly the same as muslims. (which is why it is acceptable to eat Kosher meat if it is slaughtered by orthodox jews who still practice the original teachings of the torah) and if christians still maintained the bible and followed the method given in it, we would be allowed to eat their meat too. Praying on the food doesnt affect the meat itself, it affects the accountability of it. Think of it as taking Gods permission before you kill one of his creatures for food, and thanking him at the same time for providing nourishment. This is just what i picked up from quick research. there are more points to it eg not doing it at a stone altar as it becomes sort of worship, and there are specifics around using hunting dogs and specific rulings around guns and spears (one shot kills only to minimise suffering) but the basics are what i wrote further up. Hope that helps in some way. As for the modern method. Animals are mistreated first of all, they are shackled and hung upside down, straight away inducing panic. theyre dipped in a water bath which is electrified (this is painful) and i dont see it as humane at all. Some animals might regain consciousness, some might die from the shock, some might not be unconcious, some might actually be unconscious as intended, theres no guarantee. Then they are decapitated by a rotary blade. Now if you were the bird, would you rather be hung by your feet, hearing all the whizzing and squaking and banging and buzzing electricity whilst seeing fellow chickens being killed before being dipped in water and having your brain blown. Or would you rather not have a clue and all of a sudden somebody holds your neck and it all goes dark very quickly? just because the rspca says halal is inhumane without stunning, it doesnt mean it is. Make your own judgement call, and i would like some feedback if you dont mind.[/p][/quote]a bit of feed back :) http://www.liveleak. com/view?i=545_13458 00806#8S3kLX5tzPUEX2 6b.01[/p][/quote]These cows are not treated very well. this is called industrialisation, which is a western invention. You people keep mentioning stunning is more humane. What you dont realise is that abattoirs dont stun animals to be humane, they stun them to make it easy to hook them up. Let me tell you how stunning really takes place. Animals are locked in a room with the stunner. Maybe the first one doesnt know what is happening, the guy stuns them with a bolt gun. The sheep drops to the floor in temporary paralysis, just long enough to hook them up. then theyre on the hook, sometimes kicking to get free, sometimes just hanging in consciousness after giving up. They arent dead. they know they are hanging, they know they are in danger, they are in panic, kicking in frenzy, AFTER being stunned. By now the second third fourth sheep are in panic trying to get away. they just get zapped aswel, fall to the ground kicking their legs still, fully conscious. Then they are hooked up and come back to their sense, by then the purpose of stunning is complete. who cares if theyre alive, asleep, dead. no difference, watch this if you want proof. https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=9V2T9I0Q rL8[/p][/quote]wether it is through industrialisation or not the halal slaughtering in the video wasn't as you described it not long ago in earlier post .....and the video you posted doesn't exist[/p][/quote]Here it is again, https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=-TFdHAnp TYI The video you posted is not considered halal methodology by me. The cows see the knife, they know theyre about to be slaughtered, they are in panic. there is no real indication if them examples were really even halal slaughter houses. you just showed me non stunned slaughter and the editor said theyre halal. If you want to see a real halal slaughter, the way shown to us through islams teachings, watch this video from 10 minutes onwards https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=KGmGng_t MrI if you want to watch it all, there are 3 parts in total, this being the last. This man shows you what real Halal is. This method ensures that the animal is calm, they are relaxed, they are not seen by fellows, the knife is sharp, the abbatoir is behind the animals head, and it is done swiftly. If you watch an animal being electrocuted it suffers more than this un stunned sheep in the video. Im even considering starting up an establishment to bring real halal to bolton. Maybe slip a few lambs on the back of a tesco truck in 'stealth' mode.[/p][/quote]to bring real halal to bolton .... so you admit that the way halal is slaughtered at the moment in bolton is cruel .... and you can't see why it is not liked .... and if you want to bring real halal slaughtering to bolton are you saying all the halal slaughtered in bolton is against your religiopus views and no-one in bolton is slaughtering the correct way?[/p][/quote]Goodbye lv8151 and Thomas. It was a pleasure discussing with you. If you have any further questions feel free to leave your email address and I will happily discuss with you further. I have no time to scroll down this thread everytime I want to leave a comment.[/p][/quote]See you later TRO. thomas222
  • Score: 38

1:15pm Sat 10 May 14

TerrylovesCheri says...

Hardly a balanced debate where on one side we have the ill informed hysterical islamofascist bigots, who quote random fabricated statistics and fail to listen, understand, and appreciate, and on the other we have those who do their best to explain and not react to the bigotry and insensitivities.
Fro those who say they want a choice - then great, I'm with you.. for those who want to ban, kick out, demonise then I feel sorry for you. and to the Muslims who take pride in their faith and exemplify good character and citizenry - thank you.
Hardly a balanced debate where on one side we have the ill informed hysterical islamofascist bigots, who quote random fabricated statistics and fail to listen, understand, and appreciate, and on the other we have those who do their best to explain and not react to the bigotry and insensitivities. Fro those who say they want a choice - then great, I'm with you.. for those who want to ban, kick out, demonise then I feel sorry for you. and to the Muslims who take pride in their faith and exemplify good character and citizenry - thank you. TerrylovesCheri
  • Score: -48

1:40pm Sat 10 May 14

Facts234 says...

I love halal meat it tastes so much better!! No wonder all these eating places are always packed out kerching kerching kerching!!! Wonder whether I can get Iceland to sell halal horsemeat?? Mmmnnn think I might give em a call. So funny to see everyone getting all hot and bothered by this article #havingameatylaf
I love halal meat it tastes so much better!! No wonder all these eating places are always packed out kerching kerching kerching!!! Wonder whether I can get Iceland to sell halal horsemeat?? Mmmnnn think I might give em a call. So funny to see everyone getting all hot and bothered by this article #havingameatylaf Facts234
  • Score: -33

3:04pm Sat 10 May 14

Replytohatersandscum says...

so bolton news jumps on the bandwagon
what a load of rubbish this is eat what you want where you want and how you want to
and for the standard scum on here how was your kebbab on saturday night lol
so bolton news jumps on the bandwagon what a load of rubbish this is eat what you want where you want and how you want to and for the standard scum on here how was your kebbab on saturday night lol Replytohatersandscum
  • Score: -54

3:26pm Sat 10 May 14

thomas222 says...

End of debate.. David Cameron has said that clear labeling should be on any Halal food served or sold in supermarkets & also takeaways & restraunts,cafes etc... by the Companies themselves but if they have not in 3 months he will bring in regulation to make them do so. How good is that then. ; )
End of debate.. David Cameron has said that clear labeling should be on any Halal food served or sold in supermarkets & also takeaways & restraunts,cafes etc... by the Companies themselves but if they have not in 3 months he will bring in regulation to make them do so. How good is that then. ; ) thomas222
  • Score: -1

3:38pm Sat 10 May 14

eatmytruth says...

thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Smeagol wrote:
Oh yes, and I will read your earlier post about the humane issue, as I really don't know much about that side of things.
I will summarise it for you here.

it was basically a comparission of the 2 methods ie stunning and non stunning and the logic behind the islamic ruling on animal slaughter.

Firstly Muhammad (SAW) was an wholly against animal suffering and cruelty. He taught the following rules,

The knife used must be extremely sharp. So sharp that you wouldnt feel pain if you slice your finger. I have experienced cutting my finger whilst chopping veg and didnt know till way later whilst washing my hands. Its true, a very sharp knife doesnt hurt straight away (try it if youre daring),

Secondly the cut must be through the vital tubes in the throat to ensure immediate death. This means by the time an animal can realise it has been cut, it is already dead.

Thirdly the abbatoir must stand behind the animal and not let it see the knife, that way the animal has no idea what is about to happen, that means it doesnt panic, it doesnt feel the cut and it doesnt struggle.

Fourthly the slaughtering must not take place where other animals of the same species can see it. The reason being that the other animals will suffer from panic and become stressed.

Fifthly we must take Gods name because all creatures belong to God and we are using them for food. Christians say grace at the table, we do it at slaughter, Jews do it exactly the same as muslims. (which is why it is acceptable to eat Kosher meat if it is slaughtered by orthodox jews who still practice the original teachings of the torah) and if christians still maintained the bible and followed the method given in it, we would be allowed to eat their meat too.

Praying on the food doesnt affect the meat itself, it affects the accountability of it. Think of it as taking Gods permission before you kill one of his creatures for food, and thanking him at the same time for providing nourishment.

This is just what i picked up from quick research. there are more points to it eg not doing it at a stone altar as it becomes sort of worship, and there are specifics around using hunting dogs and specific rulings around guns and spears (one shot kills only to minimise suffering)
but the basics are what i wrote further up.
Hope that helps in some way.

As for the modern method.
Animals are mistreated first of all, they are shackled and hung upside down, straight away inducing panic. theyre dipped in a water bath which is electrified (this is painful) and i dont see it as humane at all. Some animals might regain consciousness, some might die from the shock, some might not be unconcious, some might actually be unconscious as intended, theres no guarantee. Then they are decapitated by a rotary blade.

Now if you were the bird, would you rather be hung by your feet, hearing all the whizzing and squaking and banging and buzzing electricity whilst seeing fellow chickens being killed before being dipped in water and having your brain blown. Or would you rather not have a clue and all of a sudden somebody holds your neck and it all goes dark very quickly?

just because the rspca says halal is inhumane without stunning, it doesnt mean it is. Make your own judgement call, and i would like some feedback if you dont mind.
a bit of feed back :)
http://www.liveleak.







com/view?i=545_13458







00806#8S3kLX5tzPUEX2







6b.01
These cows are not treated very well. this is called industrialisation, which is a western invention.
You people keep mentioning stunning is more humane. What you dont realise is that abattoirs dont stun animals to be humane, they stun them to make it easy to hook them up.
Let me tell you how stunning really takes place.

Animals are locked in a room with the stunner.
Maybe the first one doesnt know what is happening, the guy stuns them with a bolt gun. The sheep drops to the floor in temporary paralysis, just long enough to hook them up. then theyre on the hook, sometimes kicking to get free, sometimes just hanging in consciousness after giving up.
They arent dead. they know they are hanging, they know they are in danger, they are in panic, kicking in frenzy, AFTER being stunned.

By now the second third fourth sheep are in panic trying to get away. they just get zapped aswel, fall to the ground kicking their legs still, fully conscious.
Then they are hooked up and come back to their sense, by then the purpose of stunning is complete. who cares if theyre alive, asleep, dead. no difference,
watch this if you want proof. https://www.youtube.






com/watch?v=9V2T9I0Q






rL8
wether it is through industrialisation or not the halal slaughtering in the video wasn't as you described it not long ago in earlier post .....and the video you posted doesn't exist
Here it is again, https://www.youtube.




com/watch?v=-TFdHAnp




TYI

The video you posted is not considered halal methodology by me. The cows see the knife, they know theyre about to be slaughtered, they are in panic. there is no real indication if them examples were really even halal slaughter houses. you just showed me non stunned slaughter and the editor said theyre halal.

If you want to see a real halal slaughter, the way shown to us through islams teachings, watch this video from 10 minutes onwards

https://www.youtube.




com/watch?v=KGmGng_t




MrI

if you want to watch it all, there are 3 parts in total, this being the last.
This man shows you what real Halal is. This method ensures that the animal is calm, they are relaxed, they are not seen by fellows, the knife is sharp, the abbatoir is behind the animals head, and it is done swiftly. If you watch an animal being electrocuted it suffers more than this un stunned sheep in the video.
Im even considering starting up an establishment to bring real halal to bolton.
Maybe slip a few lambs on the back of a tesco truck in 'stealth' mode.
to bring real halal to bolton .... so you admit that the way halal is slaughtered at the moment in bolton is cruel .... and you can't see why it is not liked .... and if you want to bring real halal slaughtering to bolton are you saying all the halal slaughtered in bolton is against your religiopus views and no-one in bolton is slaughtering the correct way?
Goodbye lv8151 and Thomas. It was a pleasure discussing with you. If you have any further questions feel free to leave your email address and I will happily discuss with you further. I have no time to scroll down this thread everytime I want to leave a comment.
See you later TRO.
What's a TRO? You called me that before too. If you're calling me a troll then I have no idea why you would as I'm simply discussing.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Smeagol[/bold] wrote: Oh yes, and I will read your earlier post about the humane issue, as I really don't know much about that side of things.[/p][/quote]I will summarise it for you here. it was basically a comparission of the 2 methods ie stunning and non stunning and the logic behind the islamic ruling on animal slaughter. Firstly Muhammad (SAW) was an wholly against animal suffering and cruelty. He taught the following rules, The knife used must be extremely sharp. So sharp that you wouldnt feel pain if you slice your finger. I have experienced cutting my finger whilst chopping veg and didnt know till way later whilst washing my hands. Its true, a very sharp knife doesnt hurt straight away (try it if youre daring), Secondly the cut must be through the vital tubes in the throat to ensure immediate death. This means by the time an animal can realise it has been cut, it is already dead. Thirdly the abbatoir must stand behind the animal and not let it see the knife, that way the animal has no idea what is about to happen, that means it doesnt panic, it doesnt feel the cut and it doesnt struggle. Fourthly the slaughtering must not take place where other animals of the same species can see it. The reason being that the other animals will suffer from panic and become stressed. Fifthly we must take Gods name because all creatures belong to God and we are using them for food. Christians say grace at the table, we do it at slaughter, Jews do it exactly the same as muslims. (which is why it is acceptable to eat Kosher meat if it is slaughtered by orthodox jews who still practice the original teachings of the torah) and if christians still maintained the bible and followed the method given in it, we would be allowed to eat their meat too. Praying on the food doesnt affect the meat itself, it affects the accountability of it. Think of it as taking Gods permission before you kill one of his creatures for food, and thanking him at the same time for providing nourishment. This is just what i picked up from quick research. there are more points to it eg not doing it at a stone altar as it becomes sort of worship, and there are specifics around using hunting dogs and specific rulings around guns and spears (one shot kills only to minimise suffering) but the basics are what i wrote further up. Hope that helps in some way. As for the modern method. Animals are mistreated first of all, they are shackled and hung upside down, straight away inducing panic. theyre dipped in a water bath which is electrified (this is painful) and i dont see it as humane at all. Some animals might regain consciousness, some might die from the shock, some might not be unconcious, some might actually be unconscious as intended, theres no guarantee. Then they are decapitated by a rotary blade. Now if you were the bird, would you rather be hung by your feet, hearing all the whizzing and squaking and banging and buzzing electricity whilst seeing fellow chickens being killed before being dipped in water and having your brain blown. Or would you rather not have a clue and all of a sudden somebody holds your neck and it all goes dark very quickly? just because the rspca says halal is inhumane without stunning, it doesnt mean it is. Make your own judgement call, and i would like some feedback if you dont mind.[/p][/quote]a bit of feed back :) http://www.liveleak. com/view?i=545_13458 00806#8S3kLX5tzPUEX2 6b.01[/p][/quote]These cows are not treated very well. this is called industrialisation, which is a western invention. You people keep mentioning stunning is more humane. What you dont realise is that abattoirs dont stun animals to be humane, they stun them to make it easy to hook them up. Let me tell you how stunning really takes place. Animals are locked in a room with the stunner. Maybe the first one doesnt know what is happening, the guy stuns them with a bolt gun. The sheep drops to the floor in temporary paralysis, just long enough to hook them up. then theyre on the hook, sometimes kicking to get free, sometimes just hanging in consciousness after giving up. They arent dead. they know they are hanging, they know they are in danger, they are in panic, kicking in frenzy, AFTER being stunned. By now the second third fourth sheep are in panic trying to get away. they just get zapped aswel, fall to the ground kicking their legs still, fully conscious. Then they are hooked up and come back to their sense, by then the purpose of stunning is complete. who cares if theyre alive, asleep, dead. no difference, watch this if you want proof. https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=9V2T9I0Q rL8[/p][/quote]wether it is through industrialisation or not the halal slaughtering in the video wasn't as you described it not long ago in earlier post .....and the video you posted doesn't exist[/p][/quote]Here it is again, https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=-TFdHAnp TYI The video you posted is not considered halal methodology by me. The cows see the knife, they know theyre about to be slaughtered, they are in panic. there is no real indication if them examples were really even halal slaughter houses. you just showed me non stunned slaughter and the editor said theyre halal. If you want to see a real halal slaughter, the way shown to us through islams teachings, watch this video from 10 minutes onwards https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=KGmGng_t MrI if you want to watch it all, there are 3 parts in total, this being the last. This man shows you what real Halal is. This method ensures that the animal is calm, they are relaxed, they are not seen by fellows, the knife is sharp, the abbatoir is behind the animals head, and it is done swiftly. If you watch an animal being electrocuted it suffers more than this un stunned sheep in the video. Im even considering starting up an establishment to bring real halal to bolton. Maybe slip a few lambs on the back of a tesco truck in 'stealth' mode.[/p][/quote]to bring real halal to bolton .... so you admit that the way halal is slaughtered at the moment in bolton is cruel .... and you can't see why it is not liked .... and if you want to bring real halal slaughtering to bolton are you saying all the halal slaughtered in bolton is against your religiopus views and no-one in bolton is slaughtering the correct way?[/p][/quote]Goodbye lv8151 and Thomas. It was a pleasure discussing with you. If you have any further questions feel free to leave your email address and I will happily discuss with you further. I have no time to scroll down this thread everytime I want to leave a comment.[/p][/quote]See you later TRO.[/p][/quote]What's a TRO? You called me that before too. If you're calling me a troll then I have no idea why you would as I'm simply discussing. eatmytruth
  • Score: -29

3:45pm Sat 10 May 14

thomas222 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Smeagol wrote:
Oh yes, and I will read your earlier post about the humane issue, as I really don't know much about that side of things.
I will summarise it for you here.

it was basically a comparission of the 2 methods ie stunning and non stunning and the logic behind the islamic ruling on animal slaughter.

Firstly Muhammad (SAW) was an wholly against animal suffering and cruelty. He taught the following rules,

The knife used must be extremely sharp. So sharp that you wouldnt feel pain if you slice your finger. I have experienced cutting my finger whilst chopping veg and didnt know till way later whilst washing my hands. Its true, a very sharp knife doesnt hurt straight away (try it if youre daring),

Secondly the cut must be through the vital tubes in the throat to ensure immediate death. This means by the time an animal can realise it has been cut, it is already dead.

Thirdly the abbatoir must stand behind the animal and not let it see the knife, that way the animal has no idea what is about to happen, that means it doesnt panic, it doesnt feel the cut and it doesnt struggle.

Fourthly the slaughtering must not take place where other animals of the same species can see it. The reason being that the other animals will suffer from panic and become stressed.

Fifthly we must take Gods name because all creatures belong to God and we are using them for food. Christians say grace at the table, we do it at slaughter, Jews do it exactly the same as muslims. (which is why it is acceptable to eat Kosher meat if it is slaughtered by orthodox jews who still practice the original teachings of the torah) and if christians still maintained the bible and followed the method given in it, we would be allowed to eat their meat too.

Praying on the food doesnt affect the meat itself, it affects the accountability of it. Think of it as taking Gods permission before you kill one of his creatures for food, and thanking him at the same time for providing nourishment.

This is just what i picked up from quick research. there are more points to it eg not doing it at a stone altar as it becomes sort of worship, and there are specifics around using hunting dogs and specific rulings around guns and spears (one shot kills only to minimise suffering)
but the basics are what i wrote further up.
Hope that helps in some way.

As for the modern method.
Animals are mistreated first of all, they are shackled and hung upside down, straight away inducing panic. theyre dipped in a water bath which is electrified (this is painful) and i dont see it as humane at all. Some animals might regain consciousness, some might die from the shock, some might not be unconcious, some might actually be unconscious as intended, theres no guarantee. Then they are decapitated by a rotary blade.

Now if you were the bird, would you rather be hung by your feet, hearing all the whizzing and squaking and banging and buzzing electricity whilst seeing fellow chickens being killed before being dipped in water and having your brain blown. Or would you rather not have a clue and all of a sudden somebody holds your neck and it all goes dark very quickly?

just because the rspca says halal is inhumane without stunning, it doesnt mean it is. Make your own judgement call, and i would like some feedback if you dont mind.
a bit of feed back :)
http://www.liveleak.








com/view?i=545_13458








00806#8S3kLX5tzPUEX2








6b.01
These cows are not treated very well. this is called industrialisation, which is a western invention.
You people keep mentioning stunning is more humane. What you dont realise is that abattoirs dont stun animals to be humane, they stun them to make it easy to hook them up.
Let me tell you how stunning really takes place.

Animals are locked in a room with the stunner.
Maybe the first one doesnt know what is happening, the guy stuns them with a bolt gun. The sheep drops to the floor in temporary paralysis, just long enough to hook them up. then theyre on the hook, sometimes kicking to get free, sometimes just hanging in consciousness after giving up.
They arent dead. they know they are hanging, they know they are in danger, they are in panic, kicking in frenzy, AFTER being stunned.

By now the second third fourth sheep are in panic trying to get away. they just get zapped aswel, fall to the ground kicking their legs still, fully conscious.
Then they are hooked up and come back to their sense, by then the purpose of stunning is complete. who cares if theyre alive, asleep, dead. no difference,
watch this if you want proof. https://www.youtube.







com/watch?v=9V2T9I0Q







rL8
wether it is through industrialisation or not the halal slaughtering in the video wasn't as you described it not long ago in earlier post .....and the video you posted doesn't exist
Here it is again, https://www.youtube.





com/watch?v=-TFdHAnp





TYI

The video you posted is not considered halal methodology by me. The cows see the knife, they know theyre about to be slaughtered, they are in panic. there is no real indication if them examples were really even halal slaughter houses. you just showed me non stunned slaughter and the editor said theyre halal.

If you want to see a real halal slaughter, the way shown to us through islams teachings, watch this video from 10 minutes onwards

https://www.youtube.





com/watch?v=KGmGng_t





MrI

if you want to watch it all, there are 3 parts in total, this being the last.
This man shows you what real Halal is. This method ensures that the animal is calm, they are relaxed, they are not seen by fellows, the knife is sharp, the abbatoir is behind the animals head, and it is done swiftly. If you watch an animal being electrocuted it suffers more than this un stunned sheep in the video.
Im even considering starting up an establishment to bring real halal to bolton.
Maybe slip a few lambs on the back of a tesco truck in 'stealth' mode.
to bring real halal to bolton .... so you admit that the way halal is slaughtered at the moment in bolton is cruel .... and you can't see why it is not liked .... and if you want to bring real halal slaughtering to bolton are you saying all the halal slaughtered in bolton is against your religiopus views and no-one in bolton is slaughtering the correct way?
Goodbye lv8151 and Thomas. It was a pleasure discussing with you. If you have any further questions feel free to leave your email address and I will happily discuss with you further. I have no time to scroll down this thread everytime I want to leave a comment.
See you later TRO.
What's a TRO? You called me that before too. If you're calling me a troll then I have no idea why you would as I'm simply discussing.
My mistake do apologise.. Seen the Report in the manchester evening news today very worrying for Bolton and the eating establishments they are soon going to be come down on very hard with hygeine issues.
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Smeagol[/bold] wrote: Oh yes, and I will read your earlier post about the humane issue, as I really don't know much about that side of things.[/p][/quote]I will summarise it for you here. it was basically a comparission of the 2 methods ie stunning and non stunning and the logic behind the islamic ruling on animal slaughter. Firstly Muhammad (SAW) was an wholly against animal suffering and cruelty. He taught the following rules, The knife used must be extremely sharp. So sharp that you wouldnt feel pain if you slice your finger. I have experienced cutting my finger whilst chopping veg and didnt know till way later whilst washing my hands. Its true, a very sharp knife doesnt hurt straight away (try it if youre daring), Secondly the cut must be through the vital tubes in the throat to ensure immediate death. This means by the time an animal can realise it has been cut, it is already dead. Thirdly the abbatoir must stand behind the animal and not let it see the knife, that way the animal has no idea what is about to happen, that means it doesnt panic, it doesnt feel the cut and it doesnt struggle. Fourthly the slaughtering must not take place where other animals of the same species can see it. The reason being that the other animals will suffer from panic and become stressed. Fifthly we must take Gods name because all creatures belong to God and we are using them for food. Christians say grace at the table, we do it at slaughter, Jews do it exactly the same as muslims. (which is why it is acceptable to eat Kosher meat if it is slaughtered by orthodox jews who still practice the original teachings of the torah) and if christians still maintained the bible and followed the method given in it, we would be allowed to eat their meat too. Praying on the food doesnt affect the meat itself, it affects the accountability of it. Think of it as taking Gods permission before you kill one of his creatures for food, and thanking him at the same time for providing nourishment. This is just what i picked up from quick research. there are more points to it eg not doing it at a stone altar as it becomes sort of worship, and there are specifics around using hunting dogs and specific rulings around guns and spears (one shot kills only to minimise suffering) but the basics are what i wrote further up. Hope that helps in some way. As for the modern method. Animals are mistreated first of all, they are shackled and hung upside down, straight away inducing panic. theyre dipped in a water bath which is electrified (this is painful) and i dont see it as humane at all. Some animals might regain consciousness, some might die from the shock, some might not be unconcious, some might actually be unconscious as intended, theres no guarantee. Then they are decapitated by a rotary blade. Now if you were the bird, would you rather be hung by your feet, hearing all the whizzing and squaking and banging and buzzing electricity whilst seeing fellow chickens being killed before being dipped in water and having your brain blown. Or would you rather not have a clue and all of a sudden somebody holds your neck and it all goes dark very quickly? just because the rspca says halal is inhumane without stunning, it doesnt mean it is. Make your own judgement call, and i would like some feedback if you dont mind.[/p][/quote]a bit of feed back :) http://www.liveleak. com/view?i=545_13458 00806#8S3kLX5tzPUEX2 6b.01[/p][/quote]These cows are not treated very well. this is called industrialisation, which is a western invention. You people keep mentioning stunning is more humane. What you dont realise is that abattoirs dont stun animals to be humane, they stun them to make it easy to hook them up. Let me tell you how stunning really takes place. Animals are locked in a room with the stunner. Maybe the first one doesnt know what is happening, the guy stuns them with a bolt gun. The sheep drops to the floor in temporary paralysis, just long enough to hook them up. then theyre on the hook, sometimes kicking to get free, sometimes just hanging in consciousness after giving up. They arent dead. they know they are hanging, they know they are in danger, they are in panic, kicking in frenzy, AFTER being stunned. By now the second third fourth sheep are in panic trying to get away. they just get zapped aswel, fall to the ground kicking their legs still, fully conscious. Then they are hooked up and come back to their sense, by then the purpose of stunning is complete. who cares if theyre alive, asleep, dead. no difference, watch this if you want proof. https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=9V2T9I0Q rL8[/p][/quote]wether it is through industrialisation or not the halal slaughtering in the video wasn't as you described it not long ago in earlier post .....and the video you posted doesn't exist[/p][/quote]Here it is again, https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=-TFdHAnp TYI The video you posted is not considered halal methodology by me. The cows see the knife, they know theyre about to be slaughtered, they are in panic. there is no real indication if them examples were really even halal slaughter houses. you just showed me non stunned slaughter and the editor said theyre halal. If you want to see a real halal slaughter, the way shown to us through islams teachings, watch this video from 10 minutes onwards https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=KGmGng_t MrI if you want to watch it all, there are 3 parts in total, this being the last. This man shows you what real Halal is. This method ensures that the animal is calm, they are relaxed, they are not seen by fellows, the knife is sharp, the abbatoir is behind the animals head, and it is done swiftly. If you watch an animal being electrocuted it suffers more than this un stunned sheep in the video. Im even considering starting up an establishment to bring real halal to bolton. Maybe slip a few lambs on the back of a tesco truck in 'stealth' mode.[/p][/quote]to bring real halal to bolton .... so you admit that the way halal is slaughtered at the moment in bolton is cruel .... and you can't see why it is not liked .... and if you want to bring real halal slaughtering to bolton are you saying all the halal slaughtered in bolton is against your religiopus views and no-one in bolton is slaughtering the correct way?[/p][/quote]Goodbye lv8151 and Thomas. It was a pleasure discussing with you. If you have any further questions feel free to leave your email address and I will happily discuss with you further. I have no time to scroll down this thread everytime I want to leave a comment.[/p][/quote]See you later TRO.[/p][/quote]What's a TRO? You called me that before too. If you're calling me a troll then I have no idea why you would as I'm simply discussing.[/p][/quote]My mistake do apologise.. Seen the Report in the manchester evening news today very worrying for Bolton and the eating establishments they are soon going to be come down on very hard with hygeine issues. thomas222
  • Score: 0

3:45pm Sat 10 May 14

eatmytruth says...

thomas222 wrote:
End of debate.. David Cameron has said that clear labeling should be on any Halal food served or sold in supermarkets &amp; also takeaways &amp; restraunts,cafes etc... by the Companies themselves but if they have not in 3 months he will bring in regulation to make them do so. How good is that then. ; )
That's great. And I am 100% certain that no Muslim would object to supermarkets labelling halal food.
I also don't think it will really affect a significant amount of the populations purchase choice.
Only people of other faiths namely jews and Sikhs will actually object to halal food. Not because it's halal. But because it isn't kosher and Sikhs consider it unlawful for them to consume halal. Anybody else doesn't really have a reason to refuse it. But they have a right to know. I can see many food quality monitoring companies springing up in light of these rules.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: End of debate.. David Cameron has said that clear labeling should be on any Halal food served or sold in supermarkets & also takeaways & restraunts,cafes etc... by the Companies themselves but if they have not in 3 months he will bring in regulation to make them do so. How good is that then. ; )[/p][/quote]That's great. And I am 100% certain that no Muslim would object to supermarkets labelling halal food. I also don't think it will really affect a significant amount of the populations purchase choice. Only people of other faiths namely jews and Sikhs will actually object to halal food. Not because it's halal. But because it isn't kosher and Sikhs consider it unlawful for them to consume halal. Anybody else doesn't really have a reason to refuse it. But they have a right to know. I can see many food quality monitoring companies springing up in light of these rules. eatmytruth
  • Score: -35

3:50pm Sat 10 May 14

Jackael says...

thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Smeagol wrote:
Oh yes, and I will read your earlier post about the humane issue, as I really don't know much about that side of things.
I will summarise it for you here.

it was basically a comparission of the 2 methods ie stunning and non stunning and the logic behind the islamic ruling on animal slaughter.

Firstly Muhammad (SAW) was an wholly against animal suffering and cruelty. He taught the following rules,

The knife used must be extremely sharp. So sharp that you wouldnt feel pain if you slice your finger. I have experienced cutting my finger whilst chopping veg and didnt know till way later whilst washing my hands. Its true, a very sharp knife doesnt hurt straight away (try it if youre daring),

Secondly the cut must be through the vital tubes in the throat to ensure immediate death. This means by the time an animal can realise it has been cut, it is already dead.

Thirdly the abbatoir must stand behind the animal and not let it see the knife, that way the animal has no idea what is about to happen, that means it doesnt panic, it doesnt feel the cut and it doesnt struggle.

Fourthly the slaughtering must not take place where other animals of the same species can see it. The reason being that the other animals will suffer from panic and become stressed.

Fifthly we must take Gods name because all creatures belong to God and we are using them for food. Christians say grace at the table, we do it at slaughter, Jews do it exactly the same as muslims. (which is why it is acceptable to eat Kosher meat if it is slaughtered by orthodox jews who still practice the original teachings of the torah) and if christians still maintained the bible and followed the method given in it, we would be allowed to eat their meat too.

Praying on the food doesnt affect the meat itself, it affects the accountability of it. Think of it as taking Gods permission before you kill one of his creatures for food, and thanking him at the same time for providing nourishment.

This is just what i picked up from quick research. there are more points to it eg not doing it at a stone altar as it becomes sort of worship, and there are specifics around using hunting dogs and specific rulings around guns and spears (one shot kills only to minimise suffering)
but the basics are what i wrote further up.
Hope that helps in some way.

As for the modern method.
Animals are mistreated first of all, they are shackled and hung upside down, straight away inducing panic. theyre dipped in a water bath which is electrified (this is painful) and i dont see it as humane at all. Some animals might regain consciousness, some might die from the shock, some might not be unconcious, some might actually be unconscious as intended, theres no guarantee. Then they are decapitated by a rotary blade.

Now if you were the bird, would you rather be hung by your feet, hearing all the whizzing and squaking and banging and buzzing electricity whilst seeing fellow chickens being killed before being dipped in water and having your brain blown. Or would you rather not have a clue and all of a sudden somebody holds your neck and it all goes dark very quickly?

just because the rspca says halal is inhumane without stunning, it doesnt mean it is. Make your own judgement call, and i would like some feedback if you dont mind.
a bit of feed back :)
http://www.liveleak.









com/view?i=545_13458









00806#8S3kLX5tzPUEX2









6b.01
These cows are not treated very well. this is called industrialisation, which is a western invention.
You people keep mentioning stunning is more humane. What you dont realise is that abattoirs dont stun animals to be humane, they stun them to make it easy to hook them up.
Let me tell you how stunning really takes place.

Animals are locked in a room with the stunner.
Maybe the first one doesnt know what is happening, the guy stuns them with a bolt gun. The sheep drops to the floor in temporary paralysis, just long enough to hook them up. then theyre on the hook, sometimes kicking to get free, sometimes just hanging in consciousness after giving up.
They arent dead. they know they are hanging, they know they are in danger, they are in panic, kicking in frenzy, AFTER being stunned.

By now the second third fourth sheep are in panic trying to get away. they just get zapped aswel, fall to the ground kicking their legs still, fully conscious.
Then they are hooked up and come back to their sense, by then the purpose of stunning is complete. who cares if theyre alive, asleep, dead. no difference,
watch this if you want proof. https://www.youtube.








com/watch?v=9V2T9I0Q








rL8
wether it is through industrialisation or not the halal slaughtering in the video wasn't as you described it not long ago in earlier post .....and the video you posted doesn't exist
Here it is again, https://www.youtube.






com/watch?v=-TFdHAnp






TYI

The video you posted is not considered halal methodology by me. The cows see the knife, they know theyre about to be slaughtered, they are in panic. there is no real indication if them examples were really even halal slaughter houses. you just showed me non stunned slaughter and the editor said theyre halal.

If you want to see a real halal slaughter, the way shown to us through islams teachings, watch this video from 10 minutes onwards

https://www.youtube.






com/watch?v=KGmGng_t






MrI

if you want to watch it all, there are 3 parts in total, this being the last.
This man shows you what real Halal is. This method ensures that the animal is calm, they are relaxed, they are not seen by fellows, the knife is sharp, the abbatoir is behind the animals head, and it is done swiftly. If you watch an animal being electrocuted it suffers more than this un stunned sheep in the video.
Im even considering starting up an establishment to bring real halal to bolton.
Maybe slip a few lambs on the back of a tesco truck in 'stealth' mode.
to bring real halal to bolton .... so you admit that the way halal is slaughtered at the moment in bolton is cruel .... and you can't see why it is not liked .... and if you want to bring real halal slaughtering to bolton are you saying all the halal slaughtered in bolton is against your religiopus views and no-one in bolton is slaughtering the correct way?
Goodbye lv8151 and Thomas. It was a pleasure discussing with you. If you have any further questions feel free to leave your email address and I will happily discuss with you further. I have no time to scroll down this thread everytime I want to leave a comment.
See you later TRO.
What's a TRO? You called me that before too. If you're calling me a troll then I have no idea why you would as I'm simply discussing.
My mistake do apologise.. Seen the Report in the manchester evening news today very worrying for Bolton and the eating establishments they are soon going to be come down on very hard with hygeine issues.
He's referring to one of your other usernames as well you know, i make that 6 and counting...
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Smeagol[/bold] wrote: Oh yes, and I will read your earlier post about the humane issue, as I really don't know much about that side of things.[/p][/quote]I will summarise it for you here. it was basically a comparission of the 2 methods ie stunning and non stunning and the logic behind the islamic ruling on animal slaughter. Firstly Muhammad (SAW) was an wholly against animal suffering and cruelty. He taught the following rules, The knife used must be extremely sharp. So sharp that you wouldnt feel pain if you slice your finger. I have experienced cutting my finger whilst chopping veg and didnt know till way later whilst washing my hands. Its true, a very sharp knife doesnt hurt straight away (try it if youre daring), Secondly the cut must be through the vital tubes in the throat to ensure immediate death. This means by the time an animal can realise it has been cut, it is already dead. Thirdly the abbatoir must stand behind the animal and not let it see the knife, that way the animal has no idea what is about to happen, that means it doesnt panic, it doesnt feel the cut and it doesnt struggle. Fourthly the slaughtering must not take place where other animals of the same species can see it. The reason being that the other animals will suffer from panic and become stressed. Fifthly we must take Gods name because all creatures belong to God and we are using them for food. Christians say grace at the table, we do it at slaughter, Jews do it exactly the same as muslims. (which is why it is acceptable to eat Kosher meat if it is slaughtered by orthodox jews who still practice the original teachings of the torah) and if christians still maintained the bible and followed the method given in it, we would be allowed to eat their meat too. Praying on the food doesnt affect the meat itself, it affects the accountability of it. Think of it as taking Gods permission before you kill one of his creatures for food, and thanking him at the same time for providing nourishment. This is just what i picked up from quick research. there are more points to it eg not doing it at a stone altar as it becomes sort of worship, and there are specifics around using hunting dogs and specific rulings around guns and spears (one shot kills only to minimise suffering) but the basics are what i wrote further up. Hope that helps in some way. As for the modern method. Animals are mistreated first of all, they are shackled and hung upside down, straight away inducing panic. theyre dipped in a water bath which is electrified (this is painful) and i dont see it as humane at all. Some animals might regain consciousness, some might die from the shock, some might not be unconcious, some might actually be unconscious as intended, theres no guarantee. Then they are decapitated by a rotary blade. Now if you were the bird, would you rather be hung by your feet, hearing all the whizzing and squaking and banging and buzzing electricity whilst seeing fellow chickens being killed before being dipped in water and having your brain blown. Or would you rather not have a clue and all of a sudden somebody holds your neck and it all goes dark very quickly? just because the rspca says halal is inhumane without stunning, it doesnt mean it is. Make your own judgement call, and i would like some feedback if you dont mind.[/p][/quote]a bit of feed back :) http://www.liveleak. com/view?i=545_13458 00806#8S3kLX5tzPUEX2 6b.01[/p][/quote]These cows are not treated very well. this is called industrialisation, which is a western invention. You people keep mentioning stunning is more humane. What you dont realise is that abattoirs dont stun animals to be humane, they stun them to make it easy to hook them up. Let me tell you how stunning really takes place. Animals are locked in a room with the stunner. Maybe the first one doesnt know what is happening, the guy stuns them with a bolt gun. The sheep drops to the floor in temporary paralysis, just long enough to hook them up. then theyre on the hook, sometimes kicking to get free, sometimes just hanging in consciousness after giving up. They arent dead. they know they are hanging, they know they are in danger, they are in panic, kicking in frenzy, AFTER being stunned. By now the second third fourth sheep are in panic trying to get away. they just get zapped aswel, fall to the ground kicking their legs still, fully conscious. Then they are hooked up and come back to their sense, by then the purpose of stunning is complete. who cares if theyre alive, asleep, dead. no difference, watch this if you want proof. https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=9V2T9I0Q rL8[/p][/quote]wether it is through industrialisation or not the halal slaughtering in the video wasn't as you described it not long ago in earlier post .....and the video you posted doesn't exist[/p][/quote]Here it is again, https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=-TFdHAnp TYI The video you posted is not considered halal methodology by me. The cows see the knife, they know theyre about to be slaughtered, they are in panic. there is no real indication if them examples were really even halal slaughter houses. you just showed me non stunned slaughter and the editor said theyre halal. If you want to see a real halal slaughter, the way shown to us through islams teachings, watch this video from 10 minutes onwards https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=KGmGng_t MrI if you want to watch it all, there are 3 parts in total, this being the last. This man shows you what real Halal is. This method ensures that the animal is calm, they are relaxed, they are not seen by fellows, the knife is sharp, the abbatoir is behind the animals head, and it is done swiftly. If you watch an animal being electrocuted it suffers more than this un stunned sheep in the video. Im even considering starting up an establishment to bring real halal to bolton. Maybe slip a few lambs on the back of a tesco truck in 'stealth' mode.[/p][/quote]to bring real halal to bolton .... so you admit that the way halal is slaughtered at the moment in bolton is cruel .... and you can't see why it is not liked .... and if you want to bring real halal slaughtering to bolton are you saying all the halal slaughtered in bolton is against your religiopus views and no-one in bolton is slaughtering the correct way?[/p][/quote]Goodbye lv8151 and Thomas. It was a pleasure discussing with you. If you have any further questions feel free to leave your email address and I will happily discuss with you further. I have no time to scroll down this thread everytime I want to leave a comment.[/p][/quote]See you later TRO.[/p][/quote]What's a TRO? You called me that before too. If you're calling me a troll then I have no idea why you would as I'm simply discussing.[/p][/quote]My mistake do apologise.. Seen the Report in the manchester evening news today very worrying for Bolton and the eating establishments they are soon going to be come down on very hard with hygeine issues.[/p][/quote]He's referring to one of your other usernames as well you know, i make that 6 and counting... Jackael
  • Score: 6

3:53pm Sat 10 May 14

thomas222 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
End of debate.. David Cameron has said that clear labeling should be on any Halal food served or sold in supermarkets &amp; also takeaways &amp; restraunts,cafes etc... by the Companies themselves but if they have not in 3 months he will bring in regulation to make them do so. How good is that then. ; )
That's great. And I am 100% certain that no Muslim would object to supermarkets labelling halal food.
I also don't think it will really affect a significant amount of the populations purchase choice.
Only people of other faiths namely jews and Sikhs will actually object to halal food. Not because it's halal. But because it isn't kosher and Sikhs consider it unlawful for them to consume halal. Anybody else doesn't really have a reason to refuse it. But they have a right to know. I can see many food quality monitoring companies springing up in light of these rules.
Its good all around... Non Muslim People must know its non Halal as Muslims must know its Halal. The problem is not Muslim made problem its British Companies fault for trying to hide it without informing therby not giving people the choice. Muslim shops privatley owned have always advertised Halal.
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: End of debate.. David Cameron has said that clear labeling should be on any Halal food served or sold in supermarkets & also takeaways & restraunts,cafes etc... by the Companies themselves but if they have not in 3 months he will bring in regulation to make them do so. How good is that then. ; )[/p][/quote]That's great. And I am 100% certain that no Muslim would object to supermarkets labelling halal food. I also don't think it will really affect a significant amount of the populations purchase choice. Only people of other faiths namely jews and Sikhs will actually object to halal food. Not because it's halal. But because it isn't kosher and Sikhs consider it unlawful for them to consume halal. Anybody else doesn't really have a reason to refuse it. But they have a right to know. I can see many food quality monitoring companies springing up in light of these rules.[/p][/quote]Its good all around... Non Muslim People must know its non Halal as Muslims must know its Halal. The problem is not Muslim made problem its British Companies fault for trying to hide it without informing therby not giving people the choice. Muslim shops privatley owned have always advertised Halal. thomas222
  • Score: 28

3:55pm Sat 10 May 14

eatmytruth says...

thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Smeagol wrote:
Oh yes, and I will read your earlier post about the humane issue, as I really don't know much about that side of things.
I will summarise it for you here.

it was basically a comparission of the 2 methods ie stunning and non stunning and the logic behind the islamic ruling on animal slaughter.

Firstly Muhammad (SAW) was an wholly against animal suffering and cruelty. He taught the following rules,

The knife used must be extremely sharp. So sharp that you wouldnt feel pain if you slice your finger. I have experienced cutting my finger whilst chopping veg and didnt know till way later whilst washing my hands. Its true, a very sharp knife doesnt hurt straight away (try it if youre daring),

Secondly the cut must be through the vital tubes in the throat to ensure immediate death. This means by the time an animal can realise it has been cut, it is already dead.

Thirdly the abbatoir must stand behind the animal and not let it see the knife, that way the animal has no idea what is about to happen, that means it doesnt panic, it doesnt feel the cut and it doesnt struggle.

Fourthly the slaughtering must not take place where other animals of the same species can see it. The reason being that the other animals will suffer from panic and become stressed.

Fifthly we must take Gods name because all creatures belong to God and we are using them for food. Christians say grace at the table, we do it at slaughter, Jews do it exactly the same as muslims. (which is why it is acceptable to eat Kosher meat if it is slaughtered by orthodox jews who still practice the original teachings of the torah) and if christians still maintained the bible and followed the method given in it, we would be allowed to eat their meat too.

Praying on the food doesnt affect the meat itself, it affects the accountability of it. Think of it as taking Gods permission before you kill one of his creatures for food, and thanking him at the same time for providing nourishment.

This is just what i picked up from quick research. there are more points to it eg not doing it at a stone altar as it becomes sort of worship, and there are specifics around using hunting dogs and specific rulings around guns and spears (one shot kills only to minimise suffering)
but the basics are what i wrote further up.
Hope that helps in some way.

As for the modern method.
Animals are mistreated first of all, they are shackled and hung upside down, straight away inducing panic. theyre dipped in a water bath which is electrified (this is painful) and i dont see it as humane at all. Some animals might regain consciousness, some might die from the shock, some might not be unconcious, some might actually be unconscious as intended, theres no guarantee. Then they are decapitated by a rotary blade.

Now if you were the bird, would you rather be hung by your feet, hearing all the whizzing and squaking and banging and buzzing electricity whilst seeing fellow chickens being killed before being dipped in water and having your brain blown. Or would you rather not have a clue and all of a sudden somebody holds your neck and it all goes dark very quickly?

just because the rspca says halal is inhumane without stunning, it doesnt mean it is. Make your own judgement call, and i would like some feedback if you dont mind.
a bit of feed back :)
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6b.01
These cows are not treated very well. this is called industrialisation, which is a western invention.
You people keep mentioning stunning is more humane. What you dont realise is that abattoirs dont stun animals to be humane, they stun them to make it easy to hook them up.
Let me tell you how stunning really takes place.

Animals are locked in a room with the stunner.
Maybe the first one doesnt know what is happening, the guy stuns them with a bolt gun. The sheep drops to the floor in temporary paralysis, just long enough to hook them up. then theyre on the hook, sometimes kicking to get free, sometimes just hanging in consciousness after giving up.
They arent dead. they know they are hanging, they know they are in danger, they are in panic, kicking in frenzy, AFTER being stunned.

By now the second third fourth sheep are in panic trying to get away. they just get zapped aswel, fall to the ground kicking their legs still, fully conscious.
Then they are hooked up and come back to their sense, by then the purpose of stunning is complete. who cares if theyre alive, asleep, dead. no difference,
watch this if you want proof. https://www.youtube.








com/watch?v=9V2T9I0Q








rL8
wether it is through industrialisation or not the halal slaughtering in the video wasn't as you described it not long ago in earlier post .....and the video you posted doesn't exist
Here it is again, https://www.youtube.






com/watch?v=-TFdHAnp






TYI

The video you posted is not considered halal methodology by me. The cows see the knife, they know theyre about to be slaughtered, they are in panic. there is no real indication if them examples were really even halal slaughter houses. you just showed me non stunned slaughter and the editor said theyre halal.

If you want to see a real halal slaughter, the way shown to us through islams teachings, watch this video from 10 minutes onwards

https://www.youtube.






com/watch?v=KGmGng_t






MrI

if you want to watch it all, there are 3 parts in total, this being the last.
This man shows you what real Halal is. This method ensures that the animal is calm, they are relaxed, they are not seen by fellows, the knife is sharp, the abbatoir is behind the animals head, and it is done swiftly. If you watch an animal being electrocuted it suffers more than this un stunned sheep in the video.
Im even considering starting up an establishment to bring real halal to bolton.
Maybe slip a few lambs on the back of a tesco truck in 'stealth' mode.
to bring real halal to bolton .... so you admit that the way halal is slaughtered at the moment in bolton is cruel .... and you can't see why it is not liked .... and if you want to bring real halal slaughtering to bolton are you saying all the halal slaughtered in bolton is against your religiopus views and no-one in bolton is slaughtering the correct way?
Goodbye lv8151 and Thomas. It was a pleasure discussing with you. If you have any further questions feel free to leave your email address and I will happily discuss with you further. I have no time to scroll down this thread everytime I want to leave a comment.
See you later TRO.
What's a TRO? You called me that before too. If you're calling me a troll then I have no idea why you would as I'm simply discussing.
My mistake do apologise.. Seen the Report in the manchester evening news today very worrying for Bolton and the eating establishments they are soon going to be come down on very hard with hygeine issues.
About time aswel. I don't understand how a business can consciously serve food from a filthy place. However I do think some ratings are given unfairly due to over penalising businesses who would get a 5 for something minor then giving them a 1 or 0.
I'm in the process of taking over one of these low scored establishments with the hope of turning it around into a 5 star.
Wish me luck.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Smeagol[/bold] wrote: Oh yes, and I will read your earlier post about the humane issue, as I really don't know much about that side of things.[/p][/quote]I will summarise it for you here. it was basically a comparission of the 2 methods ie stunning and non stunning and the logic behind the islamic ruling on animal slaughter. Firstly Muhammad (SAW) was an wholly against animal suffering and cruelty. He taught the following rules, The knife used must be extremely sharp. So sharp that you wouldnt feel pain if you slice your finger. I have experienced cutting my finger whilst chopping veg and didnt know till way later whilst washing my hands. Its true, a very sharp knife doesnt hurt straight away (try it if youre daring), Secondly the cut must be through the vital tubes in the throat to ensure immediate death. This means by the time an animal can realise it has been cut, it is already dead. Thirdly the abbatoir must stand behind the animal and not let it see the knife, that way the animal has no idea what is about to happen, that means it doesnt panic, it doesnt feel the cut and it doesnt struggle. Fourthly the slaughtering must not take place where other animals of the same species can see it. The reason being that the other animals will suffer from panic and become stressed. Fifthly we must take Gods name because all creatures belong to God and we are using them for food. Christians say grace at the table, we do it at slaughter, Jews do it exactly the same as muslims. (which is why it is acceptable to eat Kosher meat if it is slaughtered by orthodox jews who still practice the original teachings of the torah) and if christians still maintained the bible and followed the method given in it, we would be allowed to eat their meat too. Praying on the food doesnt affect the meat itself, it affects the accountability of it. Think of it as taking Gods permission before you kill one of his creatures for food, and thanking him at the same time for providing nourishment. This is just what i picked up from quick research. there are more points to it eg not doing it at a stone altar as it becomes sort of worship, and there are specifics around using hunting dogs and specific rulings around guns and spears (one shot kills only to minimise suffering) but the basics are what i wrote further up. Hope that helps in some way. As for the modern method. Animals are mistreated first of all, they are shackled and hung upside down, straight away inducing panic. theyre dipped in a water bath which is electrified (this is painful) and i dont see it as humane at all. Some animals might regain consciousness, some might die from the shock, some might not be unconcious, some might actually be unconscious as intended, theres no guarantee. Then they are decapitated by a rotary blade. Now if you were the bird, would you rather be hung by your feet, hearing all the whizzing and squaking and banging and buzzing electricity whilst seeing fellow chickens being killed before being dipped in water and having your brain blown. Or would you rather not have a clue and all of a sudden somebody holds your neck and it all goes dark very quickly? just because the rspca says halal is inhumane without stunning, it doesnt mean it is. Make your own judgement call, and i would like some feedback if you dont mind.[/p][/quote]a bit of feed back :) http://www.liveleak. com/view?i=545_13458 00806#8S3kLX5tzPUEX2 6b.01[/p][/quote]These cows are not treated very well. this is called industrialisation, which is a western invention. You people keep mentioning stunning is more humane. What you dont realise is that abattoirs dont stun animals to be humane, they stun them to make it easy to hook them up. Let me tell you how stunning really takes place. Animals are locked in a room with the stunner. Maybe the first one doesnt know what is happening, the guy stuns them with a bolt gun. The sheep drops to the floor in temporary paralysis, just long enough to hook them up. then theyre on the hook, sometimes kicking to get free, sometimes just hanging in consciousness after giving up. They arent dead. they know they are hanging, they know they are in danger, they are in panic, kicking in frenzy, AFTER being stunned. By now the second third fourth sheep are in panic trying to get away. they just get zapped aswel, fall to the ground kicking their legs still, fully conscious. Then they are hooked up and come back to their sense, by then the purpose of stunning is complete. who cares if theyre alive, asleep, dead. no difference, watch this if you want proof. https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=9V2T9I0Q rL8[/p][/quote]wether it is through industrialisation or not the halal slaughtering in the video wasn't as you described it not long ago in earlier post .....and the video you posted doesn't exist[/p][/quote]Here it is again, https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=-TFdHAnp TYI The video you posted is not considered halal methodology by me. The cows see the knife, they know theyre about to be slaughtered, they are in panic. there is no real indication if them examples were really even halal slaughter houses. you just showed me non stunned slaughter and the editor said theyre halal. If you want to see a real halal slaughter, the way shown to us through islams teachings, watch this video from 10 minutes onwards https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=KGmGng_t MrI if you want to watch it all, there are 3 parts in total, this being the last. This man shows you what real Halal is. This method ensures that the animal is calm, they are relaxed, they are not seen by fellows, the knife is sharp, the abbatoir is behind the animals head, and it is done swiftly. If you watch an animal being electrocuted it suffers more than this un stunned sheep in the video. Im even considering starting up an establishment to bring real halal to bolton. Maybe slip a few lambs on the back of a tesco truck in 'stealth' mode.[/p][/quote]to bring real halal to bolton .... so you admit that the way halal is slaughtered at the moment in bolton is cruel .... and you can't see why it is not liked .... and if you want to bring real halal slaughtering to bolton are you saying all the halal slaughtered in bolton is against your religiopus views and no-one in bolton is slaughtering the correct way?[/p][/quote]Goodbye lv8151 and Thomas. It was a pleasure discussing with you. If you have any further questions feel free to leave your email address and I will happily discuss with you further. I have no time to scroll down this thread everytime I want to leave a comment.[/p][/quote]See you later TRO.[/p][/quote]What's a TRO? You called me that before too. If you're calling me a troll then I have no idea why you would as I'm simply discussing.[/p][/quote]My mistake do apologise.. Seen the Report in the manchester evening news today very worrying for Bolton and the eating establishments they are soon going to be come down on very hard with hygeine issues.[/p][/quote]About time aswel. I don't understand how a business can consciously serve food from a filthy place. However I do think some ratings are given unfairly due to over penalising businesses who would get a 5 for something minor then giving them a 1 or 0. I'm in the process of taking over one of these low scored establishments with the hope of turning it around into a 5 star. Wish me luck. eatmytruth
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4:00pm Sat 10 May 14

eatmytruth says...

Jackael wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
eatmytruth wrote:
Smeagol wrote:
Oh yes, and I will read your earlier post about the humane issue, as I really don't know much about that side of things.
I will summarise it for you here.

it was basically a comparission of the 2 methods ie stunning and non stunning and the logic behind the islamic ruling on animal slaughter.

Firstly Muhammad (SAW) was an wholly against animal suffering and cruelty. He taught the following rules,

The knife used must be extremely sharp. So sharp that you wouldnt feel pain if you slice your finger. I have experienced cutting my finger whilst chopping veg and didnt know till way later whilst washing my hands. Its true, a very sharp knife doesnt hurt straight away (try it if youre daring),

Secondly the cut must be through the vital tubes in the throat to ensure immediate death. This means by the time an animal can realise it has been cut, it is already dead.

Thirdly the abbatoir must stand behind the animal and not let it see the knife, that way the animal has no idea what is about to happen, that means it doesnt panic, it doesnt feel the cut and it doesnt struggle.

Fourthly the slaughtering must not take place where other animals of the same species can see it. The reason being that the other animals will suffer from panic and become stressed.

Fifthly we must take Gods name because all creatures belong to God and we are using them for food. Christians say grace at the table, we do it at slaughter, Jews do it exactly the same as muslims. (which is why it is acceptable to eat Kosher meat if it is slaughtered by orthodox jews who still practice the original teachings of the torah) and if christians still maintained the bible and followed the method given in it, we would be allowed to eat their meat too.

Praying on the food doesnt affect the meat itself, it affects the accountability of it. Think of it as taking Gods permission before you kill one of his creatures for food, and thanking him at the same time for providing nourishment.

This is just what i picked up from quick research. there are more points to it eg not doing it at a stone altar as it becomes sort of worship, and there are specifics around using hunting dogs and specific rulings around guns and spears (one shot kills only to minimise suffering)
but the basics are what i wrote further up.
Hope that helps in some way.

As for the modern method.
Animals are mistreated first of all, they are shackled and hung upside down, straight away inducing panic. theyre dipped in a water bath which is electrified (this is painful) and i dont see it as humane at all. Some animals might regain consciousness, some might die from the shock, some might not be unconcious, some might actually be unconscious as intended, theres no guarantee. Then they are decapitated by a rotary blade.

Now if you were the bird, would you rather be hung by your feet, hearing all the whizzing and squaking and banging and buzzing electricity whilst seeing fellow chickens being killed before being dipped in water and having your brain blown. Or would you rather not have a clue and all of a sudden somebody holds your neck and it all goes dark very quickly?

just because the rspca says halal is inhumane without stunning, it doesnt mean it is. Make your own judgement call, and i would like some feedback if you dont mind.
a bit of feed back :)
http://www.liveleak.










com/view?i=545_13458










00806#8S3kLX5tzPUEX2










6b.01
These cows are not treated very well. this is called industrialisation, which is a western invention.
You people keep mentioning stunning is more humane. What you dont realise is that abattoirs dont stun animals to be humane, they stun them to make it easy to hook them up.
Let me tell you how stunning really takes place.

Animals are locked in a room with the stunner.
Maybe the first one doesnt know what is happening, the guy stuns them with a bolt gun. The sheep drops to the floor in temporary paralysis, just long enough to hook them up. then theyre on the hook, sometimes kicking to get free, sometimes just hanging in consciousness after giving up.
They arent dead. they know they are hanging, they know they are in danger, they are in panic, kicking in frenzy, AFTER being stunned.

By now the second third fourth sheep are in panic trying to get away. they just get zapped aswel, fall to the ground kicking their legs still, fully conscious.
Then they are hooked up and come back to their sense, by then the purpose of stunning is complete. who cares if theyre alive, asleep, dead. no difference,
watch this if you want proof. https://www.youtube.









com/watch?v=9V2T9I0Q









rL8
wether it is through industrialisation or not the halal slaughtering in the video wasn't as you described it not long ago in earlier post .....and the video you posted doesn't exist
Here it is again, https://www.youtube.







com/watch?v=-TFdHAnp







TYI

The video you posted is not considered halal methodology by me. The cows see the knife, they know theyre about to be slaughtered, they are in panic. there is no real indication if them examples were really even halal slaughter houses. you just showed me non stunned slaughter and the editor said theyre halal.

If you want to see a real halal slaughter, the way shown to us through islams teachings, watch this video from 10 minutes onwards

https://www.youtube.