Flavour Vapour - one of the country's first 'e-cig cafes' - opens in Bolton

The Bolton News: MP Yasmin Qureshi opens the Flavour Vapour cafe in Manchester Road this afternoon MP Yasmin Qureshi opens the Flavour Vapour cafe in Manchester Road this afternoon

A VAPING cafe — thought to be one of the first in the country — has opened in Bolton.

The Flavour Vapour cafe in Manchester Road, Burnden, sells e-cigarrettes alongside hot and cold drinks and cakes.

The opening follows the launch of the country’s first e-cigarette cafe which opened in the trendy London district of Shoreditch last month.

Owner Ian Hopkinson, aged 40, had run an e-cigarette shop at the premises, since October 2012, but recently decided to expand his business into a cafe.

He said: “What we want to do is to provide people with a relaxed atmosphere where they can freely use e-cigarettes and enjoy a coffee — but people who don’t smoke e-cigs are more than welcome here too.”

Smoking e-cigarettes — or vaping — is generally permitted in pubs and restaurants, but the Royal Bolton Hospital and Bolton Council have both banned staff from using e-cigs inside.

Bolton South East MP Yasmin Qureshi attended the launch day yesterday.

She said: “I think the e-business is great because smoking causes so many illnesses, these products are also cheaper but the main benefits are for health — I know someone who was a chain smoker and switched to e-cigarettes and it really worked.

“The cafe is a great idea. It’s nice for people to be able to sit here comfortably and socialise — I think we could see more of them in Bolton.”

There are a number of shops selling the electronic products in Bolton, but the Flavour Vapour cafe is the first cafe dedicated to the product.

It sells e-cig start-up kits, chargers and accessories, as well as a huge variety of flavoured refills, including Champagne, blueberry, mango and mojito.

Mr Hopkinson, who himself switched from smoking normal cigarettes to their electronic alternatives three years ago, believes there is a lack of education on the subject.

He added: “I think the national media can often muddle things up when it comes to e-cigs. I have been using them for three years and have had no problems.

“People like to say it is a gateway to normal smoking but I have never experienced that — I only know of people going the other way.”

The cafe also says it will not sell its products to people who do not already smoke.

Mr Hopkinson added: “We are pitching this as an alternative to smoking — we don’t want to encourage people to become addicted to nicotine if they aren’t already — we also won’t sell to under 18s.”

Director of public health Wendy Meredith said the council could not comment on individual businesses.

She added: “While it is likely that e-cigarettes are considerably less damaging to health than smoking tobacco, they cannot currently be recommended as part of the clinical management for stopping smoking.

“This is because they are unregulated and there is insufficient evidence as to whether they are safe, effective or made to a consistent standard of quality.”

What do you think?

Jack Williams, aged 18, from Tonge Moor
“I started smoking cigarettes when I was about 14 and switched to e-cigs about a year ago.
“The cost is probably the biggest thing for me. I was spending £3.50 a day and now its just £5 a week, plus I feel healthier.
“I think the cafe is a great idea. It’s in a top location and it’s really good to have a social cafe where people can have a coffee and a vape.”

The Bolton News:

George Burford, aged 22, from Darcy Lever
“I also smoked since 14 and switched to e-cigs last year — I can now breathe a lot better and feel good when I do exercise.
“I will definitely be a regular customer here because I can come and have a vape and chat with my mates. It is ideal.”

The Bolton News:

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6:08pm Fri 16 May 14

piszoff says...

Director of public health Wendy Meredith said the council could not comment on individual businesses. Get a backbone or another job no place for the weak in this world. It still a poison and bad for you.
Director of public health Wendy Meredith said the council could not comment on individual businesses. Get a backbone or another job no place for the weak in this world. It still a poison and bad for you. piszoff
  • Score: 2

6:20pm Fri 16 May 14

bernie boy says...

I wonder when will the "e-cig" bubble will burst? Hopefully before the real health implications of these unregulated chemicals leave the users and the NHS in crisis. Why is the Bolton News even covering this "story"? The operators of these "businesses" are nothing more than "fly by night entrepreneurs" cashing in the latest trend. When the chickens come home to roost, I doubt we'll see the likes of Mr. Hopkinson for dust
I wonder when will the "e-cig" bubble will burst? Hopefully before the real health implications of these unregulated chemicals leave the users and the NHS in crisis. Why is the Bolton News even covering this "story"? The operators of these "businesses" are nothing more than "fly by night entrepreneurs" cashing in the latest trend. When the chickens come home to roost, I doubt we'll see the likes of Mr. Hopkinson for dust bernie boy
  • Score: -4

6:35pm Fri 16 May 14

boltonnut says...

A member of parliament promoting e fags that's a disgrace.I wonder if she promotes Shisha bars too?
A member of parliament promoting e fags that's a disgrace.I wonder if she promotes Shisha bars too? boltonnut
  • Score: -2

6:46pm Fri 16 May 14

mondoosh says...

Hardly the latest trend when Mr. Hopkinson has been vaping for over 3 years, and I personally use ecigs and have done for 2 years, I feel 100% healthier, I'm never out of breath I don't stink of smoke and I certainly have saved money! Why are you not targeting cigarettes about the poison in them?? Maybe your happy with 4000+ chemicals going into your body?? Well I'm happy at just 4 ingredients ( as to which are all legal) and if you care to check what propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin food flavouring and liquid nicotine is, these are in flavour vapour liquids,
Hardly the latest trend when Mr. Hopkinson has been vaping for over 3 years, and I personally use ecigs and have done for 2 years, I feel 100% healthier, I'm never out of breath I don't stink of smoke and I certainly have saved money! Why are you not targeting cigarettes about the poison in them?? Maybe your happy with 4000+ chemicals going into your body?? Well I'm happy at just 4 ingredients ( as to which are all legal) and if you care to check what propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin food flavouring and liquid nicotine is, these are in flavour vapour liquids, mondoosh
  • Score: 23

6:54pm Fri 16 May 14

OriginalAngryDad says...

To all those who feel compelled to criticise e-cigs so vigorously on here, please be aware that comparing them to normal fags is like comparing apples and oranges - they're two completely different things.

I suspect that you're not smokers and have never tried vaping, so with all due respect, you haven't a clue what you're talking about, so do us a favour and shut the funk up.
To all those who feel compelled to criticise e-cigs so vigorously on here, please be aware that comparing them to normal fags is like comparing apples and oranges - they're two completely different things. I suspect that you're not smokers and have never tried vaping, so with all due respect, you haven't a clue what you're talking about, so do us a favour and shut the funk up. OriginalAngryDad
  • Score: 17

6:57pm Fri 16 May 14

Thatissowrong says...

Love it. Started vaping nearly 2 years ago and haven't had a ciggie since. I'm not daft enough to claim they are totally harmless but can say they are less harmful than a cig.
Not sure an MP should be associated with their promotion. I wouldn't want my kids to take up the habit.
Love it. Started vaping nearly 2 years ago and haven't had a ciggie since. I'm not daft enough to claim they are totally harmless but can say they are less harmful than a cig. Not sure an MP should be associated with their promotion. I wouldn't want my kids to take up the habit. Thatissowrong
  • Score: 18

7:10pm Fri 16 May 14

bernie boy says...

mondoosh wrote:
Hardly the latest trend when Mr. Hopkinson has been vaping for over 3 years, and I personally use ecigs and have done for 2 years, I feel 100% healthier, I'm never out of breath I don't stink of smoke and I certainly have saved money! Why are you not targeting cigarettes about the poison in them?? Maybe your happy with 4000+ chemicals going into your body?? Well I'm happy at just 4 ingredients ( as to which are all legal) and if you care to check what propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin food flavouring and liquid nicotine is, these are in flavour vapour liquids,
I'm not targeting cigarettes because we're all well aware of the dangers of smoking, but those dangers weren't fully realised until the 1950's (almost four hundred years after the introduction of tobacco was introduced to Western Europe). I'll agree that e-cigs are a safe alternative to smoking when they're approved by healthcare professionals, forgive me, but I'd rather listen to the advice of my Doctor than a bloke who has just opened a shop on Manchester Road.
[quote][p][bold]mondoosh[/bold] wrote: Hardly the latest trend when Mr. Hopkinson has been vaping for over 3 years, and I personally use ecigs and have done for 2 years, I feel 100% healthier, I'm never out of breath I don't stink of smoke and I certainly have saved money! Why are you not targeting cigarettes about the poison in them?? Maybe your happy with 4000+ chemicals going into your body?? Well I'm happy at just 4 ingredients ( as to which are all legal) and if you care to check what propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin food flavouring and liquid nicotine is, these are in flavour vapour liquids,[/p][/quote]I'm not targeting cigarettes because we're all well aware of the dangers of smoking, but those dangers weren't fully realised until the 1950's (almost four hundred years after the introduction of tobacco was introduced to Western Europe). I'll agree that e-cigs are a safe alternative to smoking when they're approved by healthcare professionals, forgive me, but I'd rather listen to the advice of my Doctor than a bloke who has just opened a shop on Manchester Road. bernie boy
  • Score: -4

7:14pm Fri 16 May 14

bernie boy says...

bernie boy wrote:
mondoosh wrote:
Hardly the latest trend when Mr. Hopkinson has been vaping for over 3 years, and I personally use ecigs and have done for 2 years, I feel 100% healthier, I'm never out of breath I don't stink of smoke and I certainly have saved money! Why are you not targeting cigarettes about the poison in them?? Maybe your happy with 4000+ chemicals going into your body?? Well I'm happy at just 4 ingredients ( as to which are all legal) and if you care to check what propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin food flavouring and liquid nicotine is, these are in flavour vapour liquids,
I'm not targeting cigarettes because we're all well aware of the dangers of smoking, but those dangers weren't fully realised until the 1950's (almost four hundred years after the introduction of tobacco was introduced to Western Europe). I'll agree that e-cigs are a safe alternative to smoking when they're approved by healthcare professionals, forgive me, but I'd rather listen to the advice of my Doctor than a bloke who has just opened a shop on Manchester Road.
Ooops, ". . . introduction of tobacco was introduced to Western Europe . . .". Ha! I should introduce myself to proof reading, that should have read ". . . introduction of tobacco to Western Europe. . .".
[quote][p][bold]bernie boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mondoosh[/bold] wrote: Hardly the latest trend when Mr. Hopkinson has been vaping for over 3 years, and I personally use ecigs and have done for 2 years, I feel 100% healthier, I'm never out of breath I don't stink of smoke and I certainly have saved money! Why are you not targeting cigarettes about the poison in them?? Maybe your happy with 4000+ chemicals going into your body?? Well I'm happy at just 4 ingredients ( as to which are all legal) and if you care to check what propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin food flavouring and liquid nicotine is, these are in flavour vapour liquids,[/p][/quote]I'm not targeting cigarettes because we're all well aware of the dangers of smoking, but those dangers weren't fully realised until the 1950's (almost four hundred years after the introduction of tobacco was introduced to Western Europe). I'll agree that e-cigs are a safe alternative to smoking when they're approved by healthcare professionals, forgive me, but I'd rather listen to the advice of my Doctor than a bloke who has just opened a shop on Manchester Road.[/p][/quote]Ooops, ". . . introduction of tobacco was introduced to Western Europe . . .". Ha! I should introduce myself to proof reading, that should have read ". . . introduction of tobacco to Western Europe. . .". bernie boy
  • Score: 8

8:40pm Fri 16 May 14

AnnFlare says...

Congratulations on the grand opening. E-cigarettes have helped so many people, like me, who smoked and suffered terrible health problems because of it. I. too, am opening an e-cig shop http://www.vaporzone
.com/our-company/fra
nchising.html, but not with a cafe. It'll be retail with a "vape bar" to sample e-liquids inside.
Congratulations on the grand opening. E-cigarettes have helped so many people, like me, who smoked and suffered terrible health problems because of it. I. too, am opening an e-cig shop http://www.vaporzone .com/our-company/fra nchising.html, but not with a cafe. It'll be retail with a "vape bar" to sample e-liquids inside. AnnFlare
  • Score: -2

9:58pm Fri 16 May 14

lv8151 says...

great news ..... well done and i sure will visit ..... people that don't agree with e-cigs are either non smokers or people that really don't care about packing in the evil habit ..... e-cigs have changed my life already and ive not been using them that long ..... the health benefits compared to tobacco is something only a quitter could understand
great news ..... well done and i sure will visit ..... people that don't agree with e-cigs are either non smokers or people that really don't care about packing in the evil habit ..... e-cigs have changed my life already and ive not been using them that long ..... the health benefits compared to tobacco is something only a quitter could understand lv8151
  • Score: 7

11:39pm Fri 16 May 14

mr.mark.c says...

Yet another addicition for people to destroy their bodies with.
Yet another addicition for people to destroy their bodies with. mr.mark.c
  • Score: -7

11:44pm Fri 16 May 14

lv8151 says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
Yet another addicition for people to destroy their bodies with.
no fella ... for people with a cigarette addiction its a good way out of the bad choice they took to get hooked when they was young .... e-cigs have done that for me .... surely thats a positive to me and the tax payer
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: Yet another addicition for people to destroy their bodies with.[/p][/quote]no fella ... for people with a cigarette addiction its a good way out of the bad choice they took to get hooked when they was young .... e-cigs have done that for me .... surely thats a positive to me and the tax payer lv8151
  • Score: 11

12:18am Sat 17 May 14

piszoff says...

I gave up smoking after 30 years a visit to the doc 6 week course and still going strong. never tried e-cigs but my biggest struggle was nothing to do with my hands. Quite a weight in that money box now.
I gave up smoking after 30 years a visit to the doc 6 week course and still going strong. never tried e-cigs but my biggest struggle was nothing to do with my hands. Quite a weight in that money box now. piszoff
  • Score: 2

12:29am Sat 17 May 14

lv8151 says...

piszoff wrote:
I gave up smoking after 30 years a visit to the doc 6 week course and still going strong. never tried e-cigs but my biggest struggle was nothing to do with my hands. Quite a weight in that money box now.
well done i bet that money box is heavy ..... so is mine after 9 month of using my vape ..... best thing i did packing in that tobacco .... but the weight thing was an issue .... at least it was till i found out i could hit the hills breathlessly again ..... never looked back :)
[quote][p][bold]piszoff[/bold] wrote: I gave up smoking after 30 years a visit to the doc 6 week course and still going strong. never tried e-cigs but my biggest struggle was nothing to do with my hands. Quite a weight in that money box now.[/p][/quote]well done i bet that money box is heavy ..... so is mine after 9 month of using my vape ..... best thing i did packing in that tobacco .... but the weight thing was an issue .... at least it was till i found out i could hit the hills breathlessly again ..... never looked back :) lv8151
  • Score: 9

7:21am Sat 17 May 14

By George says...

Well this does not surprise me as this Member Of Parliament has ignored the world health organisation,s warning about the effect of diesel fume emissions being cancerous in particular affecting our children , has ignored request to raise this issue in parliament , her Labour colleagues on the council have also ignored this, in fact not one of the candidates up for local or European elections including the Greens have responded to request to take some control. Bolton Council unlike Sefton Council do not enforce current legislation to kerb this pollution. I suggest electors make their representatives work and do not re-elect them. The BMA by the way have condemned E cigs
Well this does not surprise me as this Member Of Parliament has ignored the world health organisation,s warning about the effect of diesel fume emissions being cancerous in particular affecting our children , has ignored request to raise this issue in parliament , her Labour colleagues on the council have also ignored this, in fact not one of the candidates up for local or European elections including the Greens have responded to request to take some control. Bolton Council unlike Sefton Council do not enforce current legislation to kerb this pollution. I suggest electors make their representatives work and do not re-elect them. The BMA by the way have condemned E cigs By George
  • Score: 7

7:37am Sat 17 May 14

By George says...

Fire chiefs have warned about the dangers posed by E-cigarettes, after one EXPLODED while it was being charged.
fire bosses are now warning that the battery powered electronic versions have also caused blazes and claimed at least one life.
In , West Yorkshire, there was an incident after an e-cigarette exploded while it was being re-charged.
No one was injured but red hot flying fragments left scorch marks on walls, floors and a sofa.
The two main types have either a replaceable cartridge or require refillable liquid, but there are many different brands, all with their own specific charger.
Firefighters say the most common cause of fire appears to be either using incorrect chargers or over-tightening the screwed connection to the rechargeable battery resulting in mechanical damage.
I hope the owner has insurance, public liability in particular and a suitable fire risk assessment. Note users of the cafe may sue the owner in years to come for encouraging this habit and providing facilities to harm themselves, the MP representing the country is also responsible here, guess who pays out claims? Yes you and me the taxpayer
Fire chiefs have warned about the dangers posed by E-cigarettes, after one EXPLODED while it was being charged. fire bosses are now warning that the battery powered electronic versions have also caused blazes and claimed at least one life. In , West Yorkshire, there was an incident after an e-cigarette exploded while it was being re-charged. No one was injured but red hot flying fragments left scorch marks on walls, floors and a sofa. The two main types have either a replaceable cartridge or require refillable liquid, but there are many different brands, all with their own specific charger. Firefighters say the most common cause of fire appears to be either using incorrect chargers or over-tightening the screwed connection to the rechargeable battery resulting in mechanical damage. I hope the owner has insurance, public liability in particular and a suitable fire risk assessment. Note users of the cafe may sue the owner in years to come for encouraging this habit and providing facilities to harm themselves, the MP representing the country is also responsible here, guess who pays out claims? Yes you and me the taxpayer By George
  • Score: -9

9:20am Sat 17 May 14

Gomacadeshez says...

this is nothing to for Bolton to be proud of.
this is nothing to for Bolton to be proud of. Gomacadeshez
  • Score: -4

9:36am Sat 17 May 14

Sickandtiredoffit says...

Should make e cigs look even funnier shape em like a dummy or something ann summers would sell. Just quit you dont need them they look silly they are. Not healthy and they cost lots of money before you comment 60 a day man for twenty years and i quit instead of swop
Should make e cigs look even funnier shape em like a dummy or something ann summers would sell. Just quit you dont need them they look silly they are. Not healthy and they cost lots of money before you comment 60 a day man for twenty years and i quit instead of swop Sickandtiredoffit
  • Score: -8

11:59am Sat 17 May 14

boltonnut says...

OriginalAngryDad wrote:
To all those who feel compelled to criticise e-cigs so vigorously on here, please be aware that comparing them to normal fags is like comparing apples and oranges - they're two completely different things.

I suspect that you're not smokers and have never tried vaping, so with all due respect, you haven't a clue what you're talking about, so do us a favour and shut the funk up.
Fucough bad daddy.
[quote][p][bold]OriginalAngryDad[/bold] wrote: To all those who feel compelled to criticise e-cigs so vigorously on here, please be aware that comparing them to normal fags is like comparing apples and oranges - they're two completely different things. I suspect that you're not smokers and have never tried vaping, so with all due respect, you haven't a clue what you're talking about, so do us a favour and shut the funk up.[/p][/quote]Fucough bad daddy. boltonnut
  • Score: 0

12:09pm Sat 17 May 14

OriginalAngryDad says...

boltonnut wrote:
OriginalAngryDad wrote:
To all those who feel compelled to criticise e-cigs so vigorously on here, please be aware that comparing them to normal fags is like comparing apples and oranges - they're two completely different things.

I suspect that you're not smokers and have never tried vaping, so with all due respect, you haven't a clue what you're talking about, so do us a favour and shut the funk up.
Fucough bad daddy.
Would you like a visit from the Ultras?

Up the BUM!
[quote][p][bold]boltonnut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OriginalAngryDad[/bold] wrote: To all those who feel compelled to criticise e-cigs so vigorously on here, please be aware that comparing them to normal fags is like comparing apples and oranges - they're two completely different things. I suspect that you're not smokers and have never tried vaping, so with all due respect, you haven't a clue what you're talking about, so do us a favour and shut the funk up.[/p][/quote]Fucough bad daddy.[/p][/quote]Would you like a visit from the Ultras? Up the BUM! OriginalAngryDad
  • Score: 2

12:35pm Sat 17 May 14

OriginalAngryDad says...

By George wrote:
Fire chiefs have warned about the dangers posed by E-cigarettes, after one EXPLODED while it was being charged.
fire bosses are now warning that the battery powered electronic versions have also caused blazes and claimed at least one life.
In , West Yorkshire, there was an incident after an e-cigarette exploded while it was being re-charged.
No one was injured but red hot flying fragments left scorch marks on walls, floors and a sofa.
The two main types have either a replaceable cartridge or require refillable liquid, but there are many different brands, all with their own specific charger.
Firefighters say the most common cause of fire appears to be either using incorrect chargers or over-tightening the screwed connection to the rechargeable battery resulting in mechanical damage.
I hope the owner has insurance, public liability in particular and a suitable fire risk assessment. Note users of the cafe may sue the owner in years to come for encouraging this habit and providing facilities to harm themselves, the MP representing the country is also responsible here, guess who pays out claims? Yes you and me the taxpayer
More ill-informed tripe which proves you don't use an e-cig, and so haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Nobody is going to be charging their battery in this cafe, so your whole diatribe about fire insurance is moot.

As others have already said, e-cigs helped me give up a dirty and expensive habit, so I'm over the moon.

Provided you source your liquid from a reputable supplier, you'll be fine.

There is a lot of mis-information about e-cigs and vaping being banded about at the moment because the big tobacco companies stand to lose billions.

As far as I'm concerned, it's simple - Fags definitely kill people, e-cigs may do (but I suspect they don't), so that's got to be an improvement.
[quote][p][bold]By George[/bold] wrote: Fire chiefs have warned about the dangers posed by E-cigarettes, after one EXPLODED while it was being charged. fire bosses are now warning that the battery powered electronic versions have also caused blazes and claimed at least one life. In , West Yorkshire, there was an incident after an e-cigarette exploded while it was being re-charged. No one was injured but red hot flying fragments left scorch marks on walls, floors and a sofa. The two main types have either a replaceable cartridge or require refillable liquid, but there are many different brands, all with their own specific charger. Firefighters say the most common cause of fire appears to be either using incorrect chargers or over-tightening the screwed connection to the rechargeable battery resulting in mechanical damage. I hope the owner has insurance, public liability in particular and a suitable fire risk assessment. Note users of the cafe may sue the owner in years to come for encouraging this habit and providing facilities to harm themselves, the MP representing the country is also responsible here, guess who pays out claims? Yes you and me the taxpayer[/p][/quote]More ill-informed tripe which proves you don't use an e-cig, and so haven't a clue what you're talking about. Nobody is going to be charging their battery in this cafe, so your whole diatribe about fire insurance is moot. As others have already said, e-cigs helped me give up a dirty and expensive habit, so I'm over the moon. Provided you source your liquid from a reputable supplier, you'll be fine. There is a lot of mis-information about e-cigs and vaping being banded about at the moment because the big tobacco companies stand to lose billions. As far as I'm concerned, it's simple - Fags definitely kill people, e-cigs may do (but I suspect they don't), so that's got to be an improvement. OriginalAngryDad
  • Score: 10

8:36am Sun 18 May 14

gigglebox3 says...

am a regular visitor to this shop after quitting fags two years ago - friendly staff, good offers on a regular basis and have saved hundreds since vaping! like others who have commented, i feel much better, not out of breath, dont smell of smoke etc. top shop for vapers!!!
am a regular visitor to this shop after quitting fags two years ago - friendly staff, good offers on a regular basis and have saved hundreds since vaping! like others who have commented, i feel much better, not out of breath, dont smell of smoke etc. top shop for vapers!!! gigglebox3
  • Score: 6

11:03am Sun 18 May 14

twigolet says...

You puritans make me laugh. Nicotine has a risk profile similar to caffeine for the consumer, and a lot less risky than alcohol. People who vape rather than smoke have taken the decision to continue their nicotine use in a way that is 1000 times safer than smoking a cigarette and has no risk, nor even unpleasant side affects, for those around them. But you're still not happy are you. I can see you all now, sitting there with your nice glass of Shiraz with espresso to follow, planning which gas guzzler to take little Jonny the 100 yards to school in in the morning, tutting over other people's perfectly legal choices. Because it doesn't fit with your own ignorant views on life. Nicotine must be evil because it's in cigarettes right? You've got to avoid it at all costs otherwise you're obviously a pathetic addict? Well you'd best throw out all your potatoes, tomatoes, aubergines and peppers then, because it's in all of those too.

I'll laugh when the day comes that the Government nannies come for you. When they limit alcohol strength to 3% and ban bottles and glasses over 125ml. When they make alcoholic beverage producers prove that their product has a medicinal use if they want to sell it either stronger, or in larger amounts. When they ensure that coffee delivers a consistent dose of caffeine per standardised cup. When they place so many regulatory hurdles in front of alcohol and coffee manufacturers that most go out of business, leaving only a few bland choices at vastly inflated prices. When they engineer the media to turn you into social lepers for even contemplating partaking of your little bit of harmless pleasure. Think that sounds far fetched? That is exactly what is being done to e-cigarettes and vapers. Three cheers to Yasmin Qureshi for turning her back on the herd.
You puritans make me laugh. Nicotine has a risk profile similar to caffeine for the consumer, and a lot less risky than alcohol. People who vape rather than smoke have taken the decision to continue their nicotine use in a way that is 1000 times safer than smoking a cigarette and has no risk, nor even unpleasant side affects, for those around them. But you're still not happy are you. I can see you all now, sitting there with your nice glass of Shiraz with espresso to follow, planning which gas guzzler to take little Jonny the 100 yards to school in in the morning, tutting over other people's perfectly legal choices. Because it doesn't fit with your own ignorant views on life. Nicotine must be evil because it's in cigarettes right? You've got to avoid it at all costs otherwise you're obviously a pathetic addict? Well you'd best throw out all your potatoes, tomatoes, aubergines and peppers then, because it's in all of those too. I'll laugh when the day comes that the Government nannies come for you. When they limit alcohol strength to 3% and ban bottles and glasses over 125ml. When they make alcoholic beverage producers prove that their product has a medicinal use if they want to sell it either stronger, or in larger amounts. When they ensure that coffee delivers a consistent dose of caffeine per standardised cup. When they place so many regulatory hurdles in front of alcohol and coffee manufacturers that most go out of business, leaving only a few bland choices at vastly inflated prices. When they engineer the media to turn you into social lepers for even contemplating partaking of your little bit of harmless pleasure. Think that sounds far fetched? That is exactly what is being done to e-cigarettes and vapers. Three cheers to Yasmin Qureshi for turning her back on the herd. twigolet
  • Score: 8

12:42pm Sun 18 May 14

Sue H20 says...

Come on people get a life! If you smoke then it's up to you, but these days you can't enjoy it like you first did back in the days, that most working class Men and Women did smoke. Now the laws against it so it's been banned almost world wide, even though it's been one of the biggest money makers for the Governing Tax bobbys.
Next will be the drink! Even now supermarkets are being told just what they can and can't sell, IE:- The cheap booze Bargains! Are being stopped, we have lost a lot of our public houses since the Smoking Ban! People don't go to the pubs any more they want to stay home and have a gathering were they could smoke and drink as much as they want, but even that's being squashed we are now being told just were it's allowed to smoke, will the council and other landlords stop people who smoke from getting a place to live? Most probably
I must admit that after forty plus years I've given up the dreaded weed though it was MY OWN DECISION! And yes I do feel better for it and I've chosen to become a vaper! And I enjoy doing so! But it looks like we are going to be TOLD that it's not good for us, yet again Big Brother, wants to totally stop us from enjoying what time I have left to live, by telling me what I can and can't do whilst I still live (SORT OF)
Come on people get a life! If you smoke then it's up to you, but these days you can't enjoy it like you first did back in the days, that most working class Men and Women did smoke. Now the laws against it so it's been banned almost world wide, even though it's been one of the biggest money makers for the Governing Tax bobbys. Next will be the drink! Even now supermarkets are being told just what they can and can't sell, IE:- The cheap booze Bargains! Are being stopped, we have lost a lot of our public houses since the Smoking Ban! People don't go to the pubs any more they want to stay home and have a gathering were they could smoke and drink as much as they want, but even that's being squashed we are now being told just were it's allowed to smoke, will the council and other landlords stop people who smoke from getting a place to live? Most probably I must admit that after forty plus years I've given up the dreaded weed though it was MY OWN DECISION! And yes I do feel better for it and I've chosen to become a vaper! And I enjoy doing so! But it looks like we are going to be TOLD that it's not good for us, yet again Big Brother, wants to totally stop us from enjoying what time I have left to live, by telling me what I can and can't do whilst I still live (SORT OF) Sue H20
  • Score: 4

12:44pm Sun 18 May 14

David 1957 says...

what about the smoking cafe on Farnworth market? Allowing customers to smoke while people are eating food .Disgusting
what about the smoking cafe on Farnworth market? Allowing customers to smoke while people are eating food .Disgusting David 1957
  • Score: -3

1:12pm Sun 18 May 14

OriginalAngryDad says...

David 1957 wrote:
what about the smoking cafe on Farnworth market? Allowing customers to smoke while people are eating food .Disgusting
What's that got to do with this story?

This is exactly what I was referring to in one of my earlier comments - vaping is to smoking what hang-gliding is to washing your car, ie completely different but people are being lead to believe that they're the same thing.

Smoking a cigarette produces a cloud of smoke which is full of nasty chemicals and hangs round in the air.

Using an e-cig produces a small amount of liquid vapour which doesn't have the chemicals in it and dissipates immediately.

Totally different.
[quote][p][bold]David 1957[/bold] wrote: what about the smoking cafe on Farnworth market? Allowing customers to smoke while people are eating food .Disgusting[/p][/quote]What's that got to do with this story? This is exactly what I was referring to in one of my earlier comments - vaping is to smoking what hang-gliding is to washing your car, ie completely different but people are being lead to believe that they're the same thing. Smoking a cigarette produces a cloud of smoke which is full of nasty chemicals and hangs round in the air. Using an e-cig produces a small amount of liquid vapour which doesn't have the chemicals in it and dissipates immediately. Totally different. OriginalAngryDad
  • Score: 4

1:15pm Sun 18 May 14

Tim Triple says...

Well done Ms Qureshi! By ignoring the stupid nonsense bleated by her Labour colleagues, she sets herself apart on this issue as someone who can actually think for herself. E-cigarettes are a far safer choice than smoking, even based on the knowledge that we have now. Some of the dumb and ill-informed comments on this page from non-smokers are typical of the garbage spouted these days by people who can't be bothered to find out the facts before expressing an opinion.
Well done Ms Qureshi! By ignoring the stupid nonsense bleated by her Labour colleagues, she sets herself apart on this issue as someone who can actually think for herself. E-cigarettes are a far safer choice than smoking, even based on the knowledge that we have now. Some of the dumb and ill-informed comments on this page from non-smokers are typical of the garbage spouted these days by people who can't be bothered to find out the facts before expressing an opinion. Tim Triple
  • Score: 5

3:45pm Sun 18 May 14

twigolet says...

David 1957 wrote:
what about the smoking cafe on Farnworth market? Allowing customers to smoke while people are eating food .Disgusting
If you don't like it don't go there. It really is that simple.
[quote][p][bold]David 1957[/bold] wrote: what about the smoking cafe on Farnworth market? Allowing customers to smoke while people are eating food .Disgusting[/p][/quote]If you don't like it don't go there. It really is that simple. twigolet
  • Score: 4

7:49pm Sun 18 May 14

David 1957 says...

The smoking cafe is ilegal
The smoking cafe is ilegal David 1957
  • Score: -4

10:01pm Sun 18 May 14

OriginalAngryDad says...

David 1957 wrote:
The smoking cafe is ilegal
Again, if it's "ilegal" (sic), what's that got to do with this debate?
[quote][p][bold]David 1957[/bold] wrote: The smoking cafe is ilegal[/p][/quote]Again, if it's "ilegal" (sic), what's that got to do with this debate? OriginalAngryDad
  • Score: 3

10:57pm Wed 11 Jun 14

gords1001 says...

Quite an old article now, but intersting to see Bolton has its own group of puritanical retards with nothing better to do....

If vaping offends you, dont go in the cafe. That simple really. As for medically regulated? Well since the nhs quit services are now aiming to bring ecig users under their umbrella to offer support, there's a start. 53 world leading scientists and doctors in the field of addiction and nicotine use recently signed a letter to the world health organisation cautioning against damaging the potential health boon ecigs offer to existing smokers. These are not idiots sat complaining, these are people who have dedicated their lives to studying the effects of many delivery systems AND the nicotine itself that seems to upset you so, clearly though, you know far better than them. You spent all of five minutes and both brain cells processing your response, so you must know best.

Propylene glycol has been added to hospital ventilation systems since the fifties due to the fact its a germicide.

Vegetable glycerine is in most processed foods you consume

Flavorings come from the catering trade initially

Nicotine on its own, without all the carcinogens has bern medically accepted as fine for pregnant women.....

You would think that would be good enough for most people but clearly, you are too stupid to find this out for yourself. Why bother when you can bleat the same tired old crap the media feeds you and direct your attention to something important, like the latest reality tv?

For the people who have switched or quit, congratulations and well done. Personally I vape, and will continue too, it seems to do me little harm and gives me some pleasure. How dare I?
Quite an old article now, but intersting to see Bolton has its own group of puritanical retards with nothing better to do.... If vaping offends you, dont go in the cafe. That simple really. As for medically regulated? Well since the nhs quit services are now aiming to bring ecig users under their umbrella to offer support, there's a start. 53 world leading scientists and doctors in the field of addiction and nicotine use recently signed a letter to the world health organisation cautioning against damaging the potential health boon ecigs offer to existing smokers. These are not idiots sat complaining, these are people who have dedicated their lives to studying the effects of many delivery systems AND the nicotine itself that seems to upset you so, clearly though, you know far better than them. You spent all of five minutes and both brain cells processing your response, so you must know best. Propylene glycol has been added to hospital ventilation systems since the fifties due to the fact its a germicide. Vegetable glycerine is in most processed foods you consume Flavorings come from the catering trade initially Nicotine on its own, without all the carcinogens has bern medically accepted as fine for pregnant women..... You would think that would be good enough for most people but clearly, you are too stupid to find this out for yourself. Why bother when you can bleat the same tired old crap the media feeds you and direct your attention to something important, like the latest reality tv? For the people who have switched or quit, congratulations and well done. Personally I vape, and will continue too, it seems to do me little harm and gives me some pleasure. How dare I? gords1001
  • Score: 1

12:00am Thu 12 Jun 14

topcoats says...

Wendy Meredith - you obviously haven't read the open letter sent to the WHO by 53 eminent world experts:
http://nicotine policy.net/documents
/letters/MargaretCha
n.pdf

All Vapers agree they should be regulated but as a consumer product NOT as a medicine.
Wendy Meredith - you obviously haven't read the open letter sent to the WHO by 53 eminent world experts: http://nicotine policy.net/documents /letters/MargaretCha n.pdf All Vapers agree they should be regulated but as a consumer product NOT as a medicine. topcoats
  • Score: 0

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