£16,000 to be spent on making accident black spot safer

The Bolton News: Stella Wright, with son Finlay, aged two, in Thicketford Road Stella Wright, with son Finlay, aged two, in Thicketford Road

CAMPAIGNERS living by an accident blackspot are celebrating following the announcement that £16,000 will be spent making the dangerous junction safer.

More than 1,000 people signed a petition calling on transport bosses to take action at the junction of Thicketford Road and Crompton Way, in Tonge Fold, to stop crashes by speeding cars.

Now Bolton Council has pledged to install a new pedestrian rail around the junction, a new pedestrian island and a driver “feedback” sign, which will show motorists how quickly they are travelling.

Thicketford Road resident Stella Wright spearheaded the petition after a drunk- driver crashed into the front wall of her house last summer.

The 36-year-old said she was thrilled the petition, which was handed into the Mayor of Bolton, Cllr Colin Shaw, several months ago, will mean the road is made safer.

She said: “It’s brilliant news. The petition meant walking to a lot of shops, speaking to lots of people and walking for miles to get as many names as I could.

"The junction is deadly. My main concern was for my children, but also schoolchildren and passers-by, as it’s a busy route for families walking to school and with their dogs.

“Drivers come quite fast around the corner and up the hill — I’m shocked there weren’t any measures there in the first place.”

Tonge with the Haulgh councillor Nick Peel said he was pleased that money for the improvements was sourced through the area forum budget.

He added: “Money is tight but this is a good scheme that was flagged up by local residents, so we’re very happy to provide the funding, which will make a big difference and make a busy road a lot safer.”

Over the past 12 years Ms Wright’s house has been hit by careless drivers three times.

Each time the driver was not insured, so she had to repair the damage through her own insurance.

  • Cllr Peel is standing for re-election in the local elections tomorrow. He is up against Derek Fisher, for UKIP, Paul Harasiwka for the Liberal Democrats, Eric Hyland for Left Unity, Zoe Kirk-Robinson for the Conservatives, Gafsa Patel for the Greens, and Dorothee Sayers for BNP.

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11:43am Wed 21 May 14

LordLeverhulme says...

That junction is too tight as it is. If you add an island then it will be down to one lane for both turning right and carrying straight on.

ie: Utter gridlock.

Well done Peel. (slow claps)
That junction is too tight as it is. If you add an island then it will be down to one lane for both turning right and carrying straight on. ie: Utter gridlock. Well done Peel. (slow claps) LordLeverhulme
  • Score: 5

12:50pm Wed 21 May 14

Citizen Cane says...

How on earth do these expensive measures prevent uninsured, drunk drivers from causing reckless and irresponsible damage?

What is being done to take careless and uninsured drivers off the road? Answer: very little.
How on earth do these expensive measures prevent uninsured, drunk drivers from causing reckless and irresponsible damage? What is being done to take careless and uninsured drivers off the road? Answer: very little. Citizen Cane
  • Score: 9

12:57pm Wed 21 May 14

LordLeverhulme says...

I'm sure the council already looked at this request for barriers and an island after a car overturned speeding round the bend.

No amounts of barrier or sign is gonna stop that.

But what do we know? Obviously Clr Peel knows best.
I'm sure the council already looked at this request for barriers and an island after a car overturned speeding round the bend. No amounts of barrier or sign is gonna stop that. But what do we know? Obviously Clr Peel knows best. LordLeverhulme
  • Score: 3

1:13pm Wed 21 May 14

Bolton Lad 85 says...

This is why this country is skint stupid councils getting ripped off.

Bolton Council has pledged to install a new pedestrian rail around the junction, a new pedestrian island and a driver “feedback” sign, which will show motorists how quickly they are travelling.

Pedestrian rail - is some simple mental railings
Driver Feedback sign - Cost should be no more than 2k with instillation
Pedestrian Island - Essentially a big lump of concrete.

How is this 16k. !!
This is why this country is skint stupid councils getting ripped off. Bolton Council has pledged to install a new pedestrian rail around the junction, a new pedestrian island and a driver “feedback” sign, which will show motorists how quickly they are travelling. Pedestrian rail - is some simple mental railings Driver Feedback sign - Cost should be no more than 2k with instillation Pedestrian Island - Essentially a big lump of concrete. How is this 16k. !! Bolton Lad 85
  • Score: 2

3:07pm Wed 21 May 14

Rawenergy says...

As if drivers are going to take notice of a feedback sign. More cameras at junctions to hit them in the pocket, plus it will pay for itself.
As if drivers are going to take notice of a feedback sign. More cameras at junctions to hit them in the pocket, plus it will pay for itself. Rawenergy
  • Score: 2

4:59pm Wed 21 May 14

Is it me... says...

I agree with the previous comment, spending 16000 of Council tax payers money on a scheme which seems to be for drunk or uninsured drivers is crazy.. according to the report there have been 3 uninsured drivers and 1 drunk driver.. well thats 4000 for each of them to pay for the damage they have caused.. I have every sympathy for the lady who has had her garden wall demolished on 4 occasions, but it is the lawbreakers who should pay, not innocent council tax payers...
I agree with the previous comment, spending 16000 of Council tax payers money on a scheme which seems to be for drunk or uninsured drivers is crazy.. according to the report there have been 3 uninsured drivers and 1 drunk driver.. well thats 4000 for each of them to pay for the damage they have caused.. I have every sympathy for the lady who has had her garden wall demolished on 4 occasions, but it is the lawbreakers who should pay, not innocent council tax payers... Is it me...
  • Score: 8

5:09pm Wed 21 May 14

oftbewildered2 says...

there are pedestrian barriers at traffic light operated crossing near where I live - parts of it are bent out of shape having been hit many times by lorries turning left or right - it certainly would not offer protection from an out of control vehicle. I think the idea of speed cameras would be a better deterrent, although uninsured drivers are notoriously hard to locate.
there are pedestrian barriers at traffic light operated crossing near where I live - parts of it are bent out of shape having been hit many times by lorries turning left or right - it certainly would not offer protection from an out of control vehicle. I think the idea of speed cameras would be a better deterrent, although uninsured drivers are notoriously hard to locate. oftbewildered2
  • Score: 6

11:10am Thu 22 May 14

atlas123 says...

Bolton Lad 85 wrote:
This is why this country is skint stupid councils getting ripped off.

Bolton Council has pledged to install a new pedestrian rail around the junction, a new pedestrian island and a driver “feedback” sign, which will show motorists how quickly they are travelling.

Pedestrian rail - is some simple mental railings
Driver Feedback sign - Cost should be no more than 2k with instillation
Pedestrian Island - Essentially a big lump of concrete.

How is this 16k. !!
Pedestrian rail - is some simple mental railings

You are probably going to want 8-10 panels per side at £200 per panel = £2000
Concrete for 24 footings @30-40kg per foot = £150
Replace/Install tactile Flags at crossing = £250
Nuts and bolts, grit sand, odds and ends, tools blades etc = £150

Allowing for a gap for a crossing that's 24 footings that need digging and filling with concrete, 24 tactile flags to be laid, tarmac pavement to be made good.

I would imagine you are looking at 3-4 men the best part of a week to do this bit @ £100 a day per man (20 man days) = £2000

Total = £4550


Driver Feedback sign - Cost should be no more than 2k with instillation.

I would be thinking probably £2k for the sign = £2000
Column = £200
Installation = £200
Electrical connection = £800 (Charged by ENW for breaking in to supply.
(not sure if the £800 includes excavation and reinstatement or not).
Odds and ends - £300 (concrete electrical fittings, breakers, isolators etc)

Total = £3500

Pedestrian Island - Essentially a big lump of concrete.


This where it gets tricky as i dont know what they have in mind -could be anything from a simple island to something with barriers and crossing controls.

Working on the basis of a moderate sized island

A selection of kerbs = £500
Tactile Flags = £200
Concrete (for installation of kerbs and surfacing of unflaged portion of island) = £500
Retroflectve Keep Left Bollards incl footings = £400
Lampost & Lamp (similar to the other lamposts on pedestrian refuges) = £400.
Excavation and laying of cable and reinstatemnt to above = £500
Electrical connection by ENW = £800
Re-lining of the Road to suit new layout = £800

Hire of temporary lights to facilitate safe working, excavation of road etc, (even my cavalier attitude to H&S baulks at the idea of men working in the middle of the road unprotected) £1000

Construction of the island and associated works will in my opinion take 35 man days, laborers and artisans @ £100 a day = £3500

Odds and ends, bits of Tarmac for reinstatement, Fuel, chemical bog, etc = £500

Cost £9100


Total Cost of all three aspects = £17'150


This does not include any alterations to the traffic light system, nor does it include recutting the detector loops that would be necessary if the stopping position of cars is altered.

No design work is factored in.

Nor is disposal and collection of waste generated.




Remember

I expect that the working day especially for the island will be shortened somewhat by the need to work outside of peak ours only so 09:30 - 16:00.
Some weekend working may be involved at added cost.

I think the rate of £100 per man per day is quite low, given that includes wages, employers contributions, insurance, provision of a van and tools the true cost is probably more £150-£200

None of this includes the cost of using cones, barriers, signage owned by the council.
[quote][p][bold]Bolton Lad 85[/bold] wrote: This is why this country is skint stupid councils getting ripped off. Bolton Council has pledged to install a new pedestrian rail around the junction, a new pedestrian island and a driver “feedback” sign, which will show motorists how quickly they are travelling. Pedestrian rail - is some simple mental railings Driver Feedback sign - Cost should be no more than 2k with instillation Pedestrian Island - Essentially a big lump of concrete. How is this 16k. !![/p][/quote]Pedestrian rail - is some simple mental railings You are probably going to want 8-10 panels per side at £200 per panel = £2000 Concrete for 24 footings @30-40kg per foot = £150 Replace/Install tactile Flags at crossing = £250 Nuts and bolts, grit sand, odds and ends, tools blades etc = £150 Allowing for a gap for a crossing that's 24 footings that need digging and filling with concrete, 24 tactile flags to be laid, tarmac pavement to be made good. I would imagine you are looking at 3-4 men the best part of a week to do this bit @ £100 a day per man (20 man days) = £2000 Total = £4550 Driver Feedback sign - Cost should be no more than 2k with instillation. I would be thinking probably £2k for the sign = £2000 Column = £200 Installation = £200 Electrical connection = £800 (Charged by ENW for breaking in to supply. (not sure if the £800 includes excavation and reinstatement or not). Odds and ends - £300 (concrete electrical fittings, breakers, isolators etc) Total = £3500 Pedestrian Island - Essentially a big lump of concrete. This where it gets tricky as i dont know what they have in mind -could be anything from a simple island to something with barriers and crossing controls. Working on the basis of a moderate sized island A selection of kerbs = £500 Tactile Flags = £200 Concrete (for installation of kerbs and surfacing of unflaged portion of island) = £500 Retroflectve Keep Left Bollards incl footings = £400 Lampost & Lamp (similar to the other lamposts on pedestrian refuges) = £400. Excavation and laying of cable and reinstatemnt to above = £500 Electrical connection by ENW = £800 Re-lining of the Road to suit new layout = £800 Hire of temporary lights to facilitate safe working, excavation of road etc, (even my cavalier attitude to H&S baulks at the idea of men working in the middle of the road unprotected) £1000 Construction of the island and associated works will in my opinion take 35 man days, laborers and artisans @ £100 a day = £3500 Odds and ends, bits of Tarmac for reinstatement, Fuel, chemical bog, etc = £500 Cost £9100 Total Cost of all three aspects = £17'150 This does not include any alterations to the traffic light system, nor does it include recutting the detector loops that would be necessary if the stopping position of cars is altered. No design work is factored in. Nor is disposal and collection of waste generated. Remember I expect that the working day especially for the island will be shortened somewhat by the need to work outside of peak ours only so 09:30 - 16:00. Some weekend working may be involved at added cost. I think the rate of £100 per man per day is quite low, given that includes wages, employers contributions, insurance, provision of a van and tools the true cost is probably more £150-£200 None of this includes the cost of using cones, barriers, signage owned by the council. atlas123
  • Score: 2

4:57pm Thu 22 May 14

Jim271 says...

atlas123 wrote:
Bolton Lad 85 wrote:
This is why this country is skint stupid councils getting ripped off.

Bolton Council has pledged to install a new pedestrian rail around the junction, a new pedestrian island and a driver “feedback” sign, which will show motorists how quickly they are travelling.

Pedestrian rail - is some simple mental railings
Driver Feedback sign - Cost should be no more than 2k with instillation
Pedestrian Island - Essentially a big lump of concrete.

How is this 16k. !!
Pedestrian rail - is some simple mental railings

You are probably going to want 8-10 panels per side at £200 per panel = £2000
Concrete for 24 footings @30-40kg per foot = £150
Replace/Install tactile Flags at crossing = £250
Nuts and bolts, grit sand, odds and ends, tools blades etc = £150

Allowing for a gap for a crossing that's 24 footings that need digging and filling with concrete, 24 tactile flags to be laid, tarmac pavement to be made good.

I would imagine you are looking at 3-4 men the best part of a week to do this bit @ £100 a day per man (20 man days) = £2000

Total = £4550


Driver Feedback sign - Cost should be no more than 2k with instillation.

I would be thinking probably £2k for the sign = £2000
Column = £200
Installation = £200
Electrical connection = £800 (Charged by ENW for breaking in to supply.
(not sure if the £800 includes excavation and reinstatement or not).
Odds and ends - £300 (concrete electrical fittings, breakers, isolators etc)

Total = £3500

Pedestrian Island - Essentially a big lump of concrete.


This where it gets tricky as i dont know what they have in mind -could be anything from a simple island to something with barriers and crossing controls.

Working on the basis of a moderate sized island

A selection of kerbs = £500
Tactile Flags = £200
Concrete (for installation of kerbs and surfacing of unflaged portion of island) = £500
Retroflectve Keep Left Bollards incl footings = £400
Lampost & Lamp (similar to the other lamposts on pedestrian refuges) = £400.
Excavation and laying of cable and reinstatemnt to above = £500
Electrical connection by ENW = £800
Re-lining of the Road to suit new layout = £800

Hire of temporary lights to facilitate safe working, excavation of road etc, (even my cavalier attitude to H&S baulks at the idea of men working in the middle of the road unprotected) £1000

Construction of the island and associated works will in my opinion take 35 man days, laborers and artisans @ £100 a day = £3500

Odds and ends, bits of Tarmac for reinstatement, Fuel, chemical bog, etc = £500

Cost £9100


Total Cost of all three aspects = £17'150


This does not include any alterations to the traffic light system, nor does it include recutting the detector loops that would be necessary if the stopping position of cars is altered.

No design work is factored in.

Nor is disposal and collection of waste generated.




Remember

I expect that the working day especially for the island will be shortened somewhat by the need to work outside of peak ours only so 09:30 - 16:00.
Some weekend working may be involved at added cost.

I think the rate of £100 per man per day is quite low, given that includes wages, employers contributions, insurance, provision of a van and tools the true cost is probably more £150-£200

None of this includes the cost of using cones, barriers, signage owned by the council.
Excellent, can you do me a breakdown on the £180K for the extended skateboard park.

It looks like just metal sheeting and hardcore to me.

Id be very pleased and never slag off the Labour Council again.
[quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bolton Lad 85[/bold] wrote: This is why this country is skint stupid councils getting ripped off. Bolton Council has pledged to install a new pedestrian rail around the junction, a new pedestrian island and a driver “feedback” sign, which will show motorists how quickly they are travelling. Pedestrian rail - is some simple mental railings Driver Feedback sign - Cost should be no more than 2k with instillation Pedestrian Island - Essentially a big lump of concrete. How is this 16k. !![/p][/quote]Pedestrian rail - is some simple mental railings You are probably going to want 8-10 panels per side at £200 per panel = £2000 Concrete for 24 footings @30-40kg per foot = £150 Replace/Install tactile Flags at crossing = £250 Nuts and bolts, grit sand, odds and ends, tools blades etc = £150 Allowing for a gap for a crossing that's 24 footings that need digging and filling with concrete, 24 tactile flags to be laid, tarmac pavement to be made good. I would imagine you are looking at 3-4 men the best part of a week to do this bit @ £100 a day per man (20 man days) = £2000 Total = £4550 Driver Feedback sign - Cost should be no more than 2k with instillation. I would be thinking probably £2k for the sign = £2000 Column = £200 Installation = £200 Electrical connection = £800 (Charged by ENW for breaking in to supply. (not sure if the £800 includes excavation and reinstatement or not). Odds and ends - £300 (concrete electrical fittings, breakers, isolators etc) Total = £3500 Pedestrian Island - Essentially a big lump of concrete. This where it gets tricky as i dont know what they have in mind -could be anything from a simple island to something with barriers and crossing controls. Working on the basis of a moderate sized island A selection of kerbs = £500 Tactile Flags = £200 Concrete (for installation of kerbs and surfacing of unflaged portion of island) = £500 Retroflectve Keep Left Bollards incl footings = £400 Lampost & Lamp (similar to the other lamposts on pedestrian refuges) = £400. Excavation and laying of cable and reinstatemnt to above = £500 Electrical connection by ENW = £800 Re-lining of the Road to suit new layout = £800 Hire of temporary lights to facilitate safe working, excavation of road etc, (even my cavalier attitude to H&S baulks at the idea of men working in the middle of the road unprotected) £1000 Construction of the island and associated works will in my opinion take 35 man days, laborers and artisans @ £100 a day = £3500 Odds and ends, bits of Tarmac for reinstatement, Fuel, chemical bog, etc = £500 Cost £9100 Total Cost of all three aspects = £17'150 This does not include any alterations to the traffic light system, nor does it include recutting the detector loops that would be necessary if the stopping position of cars is altered. No design work is factored in. Nor is disposal and collection of waste generated. Remember I expect that the working day especially for the island will be shortened somewhat by the need to work outside of peak ours only so 09:30 - 16:00. Some weekend working may be involved at added cost. I think the rate of £100 per man per day is quite low, given that includes wages, employers contributions, insurance, provision of a van and tools the true cost is probably more £150-£200 None of this includes the cost of using cones, barriers, signage owned by the council.[/p][/quote]Excellent, can you do me a breakdown on the £180K for the extended skateboard park. It looks like just metal sheeting and hardcore to me. Id be very pleased and never slag off the Labour Council again. Jim271
  • Score: 2

7:37am Fri 23 May 14

atlas123 says...

Thinking about it, I think Bolton Council's DCE has their own cable for streetlighting running along Crompton Way and Moss Bank Way(quite unusual usually tapped directly into mains) so you might be able to knock of the £1600 of ENW fees.

- I think the cable is old lead sheathed type and is beginning to breakdown (ever noticed the dark stretches on the road) so they may be reluctant to disturb and choose to pay for connections to the mains.

Excellent, can you do me a breakdown on the £180K for the extended skateboard park.

It looks like just metal sheeting and hardcore to me.


Never built one sorry!

I would imagine that the steelwork will be bespoke and will require some time at workshop stage and then again at installation stage with artisan working. Groundworks are expensive.

Design work, site survey and possible service diversions are a few of the issues i can imagine.

A FOI request might help, but councils are often reluctant to give detailed pricing of works away for reasons of commercial sensitivity.
Thinking about it, I think Bolton Council's DCE has their own cable for streetlighting running along Crompton Way and Moss Bank Way(quite unusual usually tapped directly into mains) so you might be able to knock of the £1600 of ENW fees. - I think the cable is old lead sheathed type and is beginning to breakdown (ever noticed the dark stretches on the road) so they may be reluctant to disturb and choose to pay for connections to the mains. [quote]Excellent, can you do me a breakdown on the £180K for the extended skateboard park. It looks like just metal sheeting and hardcore to me.[/quote] Never built one sorry! I would imagine that the steelwork will be bespoke and will require some time at workshop stage and then again at installation stage with artisan working. Groundworks are expensive. Design work, site survey and possible service diversions are a few of the issues i can imagine. A FOI request might help, but councils are often reluctant to give detailed pricing of works away for reasons of commercial sensitivity. atlas123
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