Bid to knock down historic Stags Head pub in Deane rejected again

The Stags Head pub in Junction Road, Deane

The Stags Head pub in Junction Road, Deane

First published in News The Bolton News: Photograph of the Author by , politics reporter

A DEVELOPER has failed in his second bid to knock down a historic Deane pub to make way for new houses, apartments and shops.

Mubarak Patel, of Mercury Forecourts, wanted to demolish the old Stags Head pub in Junction Road, so he could build 32 one-bedroom apartments, eight town houses and retail units. After failing to get planning permission in February, he applied again — but his second application was rejected last week.

Council planning officer Helen Williams said in a report that the pub, built in the mid-19th century, is listed as a building of “special architectural or historic interest” within the Deane conser-vation area.

She added: “The applicant does not appear to have considered the potential re-use of the Stags Head building before proposing the re-development scheme.

“They instead refer to the physical condition of the building and the more contemporary extensions as the justification to why the building should be demolished.

“This justification has not been supported by any evidence and no consideration has been made to why the less aesthetic extensions could not be lost, or the building more sympathetically extended.

“It is therefore considered the loss of the building would be to the detriment of the character, appearance and history of Deane Village Conservation Area.”

Mr Patel can appeal.

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10:17am Thu 14 Aug 14

wsw69 says...

Good decision. I, along with most mates, used to go in 'The Stags' two or three times a week in 1981 onwards. It was always packed and well kept.

Leave the original pub building intact and demolish the appalling modern day cr*p extensions. The council should also make him tidy it up as from Wigan Road it's a pure eyesore. In fact the whole site is an eyesore and probably infested with vermin.

The owner is only concerned with pure greed.

The revamp of the Queen Anne pub next door has been a great success.
Good decision. I, along with most mates, used to go in 'The Stags' two or three times a week in 1981 onwards. It was always packed and well kept. Leave the original pub building intact and demolish the appalling modern day cr*p extensions. The council should also make him tidy it up as from Wigan Road it's a pure eyesore. In fact the whole site is an eyesore and probably infested with vermin. The owner is only concerned with pure greed. The revamp of the Queen Anne pub next door has been a great success. wsw69
  • Score: 13

10:27am Thu 14 Aug 14

filthy6 says...

I predict a fire
I predict a fire filthy6
  • Score: 55

10:30am Thu 14 Aug 14

655321 says...

Blimey, a victory for common sense, are we sure Bolton Council planning was involved? ;)
Blimey, a victory for common sense, are we sure Bolton Council planning was involved? ;) 655321
  • Score: 15

10:32am Thu 14 Aug 14

wsw69 says...

655321 wrote:
Blimey, a victory for common sense, are we sure Bolton Council planning was involved? ;)
pmslol, I thought the same
[quote][p][bold]655321[/bold] wrote: Blimey, a victory for common sense, are we sure Bolton Council planning was involved? ;)[/p][/quote]pmslol, I thought the same wsw69
  • Score: 3

11:35am Thu 14 Aug 14

LoveBolton says...

wsw69 wrote:
Good decision. I, along with most mates, used to go in 'The Stags' two or three times a week in 1981 onwards. It was always packed and well kept.

Leave the original pub building intact and demolish the appalling modern day cr*p extensions. The council should also make him tidy it up as from Wigan Road it's a pure eyesore. In fact the whole site is an eyesore and probably infested with vermin.

The owner is only concerned with pure greed.

The revamp of the Queen Anne pub next door has been a great success.
1981 its 2104 mate the pub was not doing too well so it closed. .. its a eyesore needs knocking down. Whats so good about it from the outside its not got any thing special even the brickwork is covered in render or teraline. If you want to turn it back into a pub you buy the building and do it up.
[quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: Good decision. I, along with most mates, used to go in 'The Stags' two or three times a week in 1981 onwards. It was always packed and well kept. Leave the original pub building intact and demolish the appalling modern day cr*p extensions. The council should also make him tidy it up as from Wigan Road it's a pure eyesore. In fact the whole site is an eyesore and probably infested with vermin. The owner is only concerned with pure greed. The revamp of the Queen Anne pub next door has been a great success.[/p][/quote]1981 its 2104 mate the pub was not doing too well so it closed. .. its a eyesore needs knocking down. Whats so good about it from the outside its not got any thing special even the brickwork is covered in render or teraline. If you want to turn it back into a pub you buy the building and do it up. LoveBolton
  • Score: 15

11:53am Thu 14 Aug 14

CDJ1973 says...

typical one word! Muslim
typical one word! Muslim CDJ1973
  • Score: -25

12:18pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Replytohatersandscum says...

CDJ1973 wrote:
typical one word! Muslim
One word for u SCUM
[quote][p][bold]CDJ1973[/bold] wrote: typical one word! Muslim[/p][/quote]One word for u SCUM Replytohatersandscum
  • Score: 19

12:18pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Replytohatersandscum says...

CDJ1973 wrote:
typical one word! Muslim
Scum
[quote][p][bold]CDJ1973[/bold] wrote: typical one word! Muslim[/p][/quote]Scum Replytohatersandscum
  • Score: 0

1:07pm Thu 14 Aug 14

goldie47 says...

why doesnt helen williams and her council cronies do something to update the pub then...how much ratepayers money has been wasted on other projects
why doesnt helen williams and her council cronies do something to update the pub then...how much ratepayers money has been wasted on other projects goldie47
  • Score: 3

1:17pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Albinosupport says...

Its a complete mess, and setting it alight wouldn't work as there are that many holes in the roof the place must be saturated inside. Had some good nights out in there, shame to see it in the state it is in at the moment.
Its a complete mess, and setting it alight wouldn't work as there are that many holes in the roof the place must be saturated inside. Had some good nights out in there, shame to see it in the state it is in at the moment. Albinosupport
  • Score: 17

2:57pm Thu 14 Aug 14

LoveBolton says...

goldie47 wrote:
why doesnt helen williams and her council cronies do something to update the pub then...how much ratepayers money has been wasted on other projects
Why should the council spend money to open a pub. What wrong with some of you people you have nt got a clue. How can this place be listed its a dump. Yeah it was once a nice pub but why did it close down. Simple it was no longer feasible to keep it open. People should be in support of knocking this dump of a building down. Even if someone wanted to reopen as a pub the renovation work on this dump of a building would require to knock it down for best and cost effective results.
[quote][p][bold]goldie47[/bold] wrote: why doesnt helen williams and her council cronies do something to update the pub then...how much ratepayers money has been wasted on other projects[/p][/quote]Why should the council spend money to open a pub. What wrong with some of you people you have nt got a clue. How can this place be listed its a dump. Yeah it was once a nice pub but why did it close down. Simple it was no longer feasible to keep it open. People should be in support of knocking this dump of a building down. Even if someone wanted to reopen as a pub the renovation work on this dump of a building would require to knock it down for best and cost effective results. LoveBolton
  • Score: 19

3:17pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Count de Monet says...

LoveBolton wrote:
goldie47 wrote:
why doesnt helen williams and her council cronies do something to update the pub then...how much ratepayers money has been wasted on other projects
Why should the council spend money to open a pub. What wrong with some of you people you have nt got a clue. How can this place be listed its a dump. Yeah it was once a nice pub but why did it close down. Simple it was no longer feasible to keep it open. People should be in support of knocking this dump of a building down. Even if someone wanted to reopen as a pub the renovation work on this dump of a building would require to knock it down for best and cost effective results.
The Stag's Head didn't close because it ''wasn't feasible to keep it open'', it lost it's licence when it was prosecuted for serving alcoholic drinks to the EDL at 10.00am, prior to their march in Bolton town centre.
[quote][p][bold]LoveBolton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldie47[/bold] wrote: why doesnt helen williams and her council cronies do something to update the pub then...how much ratepayers money has been wasted on other projects[/p][/quote]Why should the council spend money to open a pub. What wrong with some of you people you have nt got a clue. How can this place be listed its a dump. Yeah it was once a nice pub but why did it close down. Simple it was no longer feasible to keep it open. People should be in support of knocking this dump of a building down. Even if someone wanted to reopen as a pub the renovation work on this dump of a building would require to knock it down for best and cost effective results.[/p][/quote]The Stag's Head didn't close because it ''wasn't feasible to keep it open'', it lost it's licence when it was prosecuted for serving alcoholic drinks to the EDL at 10.00am, prior to their march in Bolton town centre. Count de Monet
  • Score: 17

3:48pm Thu 14 Aug 14

rhill says...

Why is the condition of the building so bad? It's been shut for about 5 years.
Why is the condition of the building so bad? It's been shut for about 5 years. rhill
  • Score: 3

5:04pm Thu 14 Aug 14

LoveBolton says...

Count de Monet wrote:
LoveBolton wrote:
goldie47 wrote:
why doesnt helen williams and her council cronies do something to update the pub then...how much ratepayers money has been wasted on other projects
Why should the council spend money to open a pub. What wrong with some of you people you have nt got a clue. How can this place be listed its a dump. Yeah it was once a nice pub but why did it close down. Simple it was no longer feasible to keep it open. People should be in support of knocking this dump of a building down. Even if someone wanted to reopen as a pub the renovation work on this dump of a building would require to knock it down for best and cost effective results.
The Stag's Head didn't close because it ''wasn't feasible to keep it open'', it lost it's licence when it was prosecuted for serving alcoholic drinks to the EDL at 10.00am, prior to their march in Bolton town centre.
Yeah ok thats just an excuse. If it was doing so well how hard would it have been get a new name above the door.
[quote][p][bold]Count de Monet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LoveBolton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldie47[/bold] wrote: why doesnt helen williams and her council cronies do something to update the pub then...how much ratepayers money has been wasted on other projects[/p][/quote]Why should the council spend money to open a pub. What wrong with some of you people you have nt got a clue. How can this place be listed its a dump. Yeah it was once a nice pub but why did it close down. Simple it was no longer feasible to keep it open. People should be in support of knocking this dump of a building down. Even if someone wanted to reopen as a pub the renovation work on this dump of a building would require to knock it down for best and cost effective results.[/p][/quote]The Stag's Head didn't close because it ''wasn't feasible to keep it open'', it lost it's licence when it was prosecuted for serving alcoholic drinks to the EDL at 10.00am, prior to their march in Bolton town centre.[/p][/quote]Yeah ok thats just an excuse. If it was doing so well how hard would it have been get a new name above the door. LoveBolton
  • Score: 8

5:32pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Balboa says...

Deane "Village" - LOL. Never has the word village been more inappropriately applied.

Just because people "used" to go in there, and just because it's old, doesn't mean it is of special interest or worth keeping - otherwise we'd still be living in caves! Clearly there is no special interest at all if the building is vacant and not economically viable to operate as a pub.
Deane "Village" - LOL. Never has the word village been more inappropriately applied. Just because people "used" to go in there, and just because it's old, doesn't mean it is of special interest or worth keeping - otherwise we'd still be living in caves! Clearly there is no special interest at all if the building is vacant and not economically viable to operate as a pub. Balboa
  • Score: 6

6:48pm Thu 14 Aug 14

LoveBolton says...

Balboa wrote:
Deane "Village" - LOL. Never has the word village been more inappropriately applied.

Just because people "used" to go in there, and just because it's old, doesn't mean it is of special interest or worth keeping - otherwise we'd still be living in caves! Clearly there is no special interest at all if the building is vacant and not economically viable to operate as a pub.
Lol
[quote][p][bold]Balboa[/bold] wrote: Deane "Village" - LOL. Never has the word village been more inappropriately applied. Just because people "used" to go in there, and just because it's old, doesn't mean it is of special interest or worth keeping - otherwise we'd still be living in caves! Clearly there is no special interest at all if the building is vacant and not economically viable to operate as a pub.[/p][/quote]Lol LoveBolton
  • Score: -6

7:19pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Womble says...

I'd rather they built affordable housing on this site, rather than building on our precious few green sites.
I'd rather they built affordable housing on this site, rather than building on our precious few green sites. Womble
  • Score: 8

8:43pm Thu 14 Aug 14

rhill says...

Deane was a village, I remember when used to have a butchers a fishmongers ,a greengrocers and goodness knows how many pubs. Sutton Estate was in the countryside and had its own football fields. Going back further, St Mary was built in 1452 and is one of the oldest churches in the area. The area including the Stags Head is the focus of the area and until recently was very busy. It could be again if it is redeveloped sympathetically but not if these single room apartments are built. I believe that the suggest proposal would be the end of Deane village. I do not understand how a building around 200 years old and until recently a commercial premises has decayed so quickly in 5 years. I believe the buyers did not fully take into account the fact that Deane Village is rightly a conservation area and outbid those wanting to maintain the premises as a pub because they were expecting to redevelop. It's selfish but I hope this was their mistake. Well done Bolton Council for blocking this. If Mr Patel is looking for different ideas, then a cricket pitch would be extremely nice there and great for community cohesion.
Deane was a village, I remember when used to have a butchers a fishmongers ,a greengrocers and goodness knows how many pubs. Sutton Estate was in the countryside and had its own football fields. Going back further, St Mary was built in 1452 and is one of the oldest churches in the area. The area including the Stags Head is the focus of the area and until recently was very busy. It could be again if it is redeveloped sympathetically but not if these single room apartments are built. I believe that the suggest proposal would be the end of Deane village. I do not understand how a building around 200 years old and until recently a commercial premises has decayed so quickly in 5 years. I believe the buyers did not fully take into account the fact that Deane Village is rightly a conservation area and outbid those wanting to maintain the premises as a pub because they were expecting to redevelop. It's selfish but I hope this was their mistake. Well done Bolton Council for blocking this. If Mr Patel is looking for different ideas, then a cricket pitch would be extremely nice there and great for community cohesion. rhill
  • Score: 9

1:32am Fri 15 Aug 14

hal pel says...

rhill wrote:
Deane was a village, I remember when used to have a butchers a fishmongers ,a greengrocers and goodness knows how many pubs. Sutton Estate was in the countryside and had its own football fields. Going back further, St Mary was built in 1452 and is one of the oldest churches in the area. The area including the Stags Head is the focus of the area and until recently was very busy. It could be again if it is redeveloped sympathetically but not if these single room apartments are built. I believe that the suggest proposal would be the end of Deane village. I do not understand how a building around 200 years old and until recently a commercial premises has decayed so quickly in 5 years. I believe the buyers did not fully take into account the fact that Deane Village is rightly a conservation area and outbid those wanting to maintain the premises as a pub because they were expecting to redevelop. It's selfish but I hope this was their mistake. Well done Bolton Council for blocking this. If Mr Patel is looking for different ideas, then a cricket pitch would be extremely nice there and great for community cohesion.
Eeh, when I went int' Stags, yer could get fish an' chips an'last bus home an still 'ave change from a shillin'.
[quote][p][bold]rhill[/bold] wrote: Deane was a village, I remember when used to have a butchers a fishmongers ,a greengrocers and goodness knows how many pubs. Sutton Estate was in the countryside and had its own football fields. Going back further, St Mary was built in 1452 and is one of the oldest churches in the area. The area including the Stags Head is the focus of the area and until recently was very busy. It could be again if it is redeveloped sympathetically but not if these single room apartments are built. I believe that the suggest proposal would be the end of Deane village. I do not understand how a building around 200 years old and until recently a commercial premises has decayed so quickly in 5 years. I believe the buyers did not fully take into account the fact that Deane Village is rightly a conservation area and outbid those wanting to maintain the premises as a pub because they were expecting to redevelop. It's selfish but I hope this was their mistake. Well done Bolton Council for blocking this. If Mr Patel is looking for different ideas, then a cricket pitch would be extremely nice there and great for community cohesion.[/p][/quote]Eeh, when I went int' Stags, yer could get fish an' chips an'last bus home an still 'ave change from a shillin'. hal pel
  • Score: -8

6:52am Fri 15 Aug 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

No doubt the muzzies will have it up-in-flames. Remember Clarendon School anyone?!!!!!!!!
No doubt the muzzies will have it up-in-flames. Remember Clarendon School anyone?!!!!!!!! FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 4

12:26pm Fri 15 Aug 14

hal pel says...

FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
No doubt the muzzies will have it up-in-flames. Remember Clarendon School anyone?!!!!!!!!
Bellend!
[quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: No doubt the muzzies will have it up-in-flames. Remember Clarendon School anyone?!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Bellend! hal pel
  • Score: -1

12:41pm Fri 15 Aug 14

DAUBHILLISRUINED says...

I cannot believe planning for a mosque is not the headline here !!
and yes I also now predict a fire is the next instalment.
:-) :-)
They are never happy (these) people,
I cannot believe planning for a mosque is not the headline here !! and yes I also now predict a fire is the next instalment. :-) :-) They are never happy (these) people, DAUBHILLISRUINED
  • Score: 0

2:10pm Fri 15 Aug 14

johnnykilroy4 says...

Someone should buy it do it up and reopen it has a pub no wonder people don't communicated any more all the pubs in Bolton are closing there's no where to socialize any more no wonder people are buying cheep booze from super markets and going on social network sites.
Someone should buy it do it up and reopen it has a pub no wonder people don't communicated any more all the pubs in Bolton are closing there's no where to socialize any more no wonder people are buying cheep booze from super markets and going on social network sites. johnnykilroy4
  • Score: 2

3:11pm Fri 15 Aug 14

hal pel says...

johnnykilroy4 wrote:
Someone should buy it do it up and reopen it has a pub no wonder people don't communicated any more all the pubs in Bolton are closing there's no where to socialize any more no wonder people are buying cheep booze from super markets and going on social network sites.
Once more, in English please.
[quote][p][bold]johnnykilroy4[/bold] wrote: Someone should buy it do it up and reopen it has a pub no wonder people don't communicated any more all the pubs in Bolton are closing there's no where to socialize any more no wonder people are buying cheep booze from super markets and going on social network sites.[/p][/quote]Once more, in English please. hal pel
  • Score: -1

5:53pm Fri 15 Aug 14

united99 says...

FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
No doubt the muzzies will have it up-in-flames. Remember Clarendon School anyone?!!!!!!!!
Shut it 1945 you scally boy the pub is a dump what's so good about it - it won't be long before the remaining last few pubs in the area are bought out by the muzzies ( your word )then you scally boy will have to go to bargain booze for your beer...
There's already a mosque next door which if you remember use to be a pub until you stopped going and the place shut down - and guess what the mosque is too small now and they need to extend..........watc
h this space !!!
[quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: No doubt the muzzies will have it up-in-flames. Remember Clarendon School anyone?!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Shut it 1945 you scally boy the pub is a dump what's so good about it - it won't be long before the remaining last few pubs in the area are bought out by the muzzies ( your word )then you scally boy will have to go to bargain booze for your beer... There's already a mosque next door which if you remember use to be a pub until you stopped going and the place shut down - and guess what the mosque is too small now and they need to extend..........watc h this space !!! united99
  • Score: 0

8:37pm Fri 15 Aug 14

boltonbetty says...

"It is therefore considered the loss of the building would be to the detriment of the character, appearance and history of Deane Village Conservation Area.”
Shame they didn't give the same consideration to the Volunteer in Bromley Cross 'village' which is now a pile of rubble!
"It is therefore considered the loss of the building would be to the detriment of the character, appearance and history of Deane Village Conservation Area.” Shame they didn't give the same consideration to the Volunteer in Bromley Cross 'village' which is now a pile of rubble! boltonbetty
  • Score: 1

3:43pm Sat 16 Aug 14

wsw69 says...

Balboa wrote:
Deane "Village" - LOL. Never has the word village been more inappropriately applied.

Just because people "used" to go in there, and just because it's old, doesn't mean it is of special interest or worth keeping - otherwise we'd still be living in caves! Clearly there is no special interest at all if the building is vacant and not economically viable to operate as a pub.
Yes it has!

Little Lever, as the residents like to refer to it as a village. That's another Grade A 5h1th0le that needs knocking down.
[quote][p][bold]Balboa[/bold] wrote: Deane "Village" - LOL. Never has the word village been more inappropriately applied. Just because people "used" to go in there, and just because it's old, doesn't mean it is of special interest or worth keeping - otherwise we'd still be living in caves! Clearly there is no special interest at all if the building is vacant and not economically viable to operate as a pub.[/p][/quote]Yes it has! Little Lever, as the residents like to refer to it as a village. That's another Grade A 5h1th0le that needs knocking down. wsw69
  • Score: 0

3:48pm Sat 16 Aug 14

wsw69 says...

LoveBolton wrote:
wsw69 wrote:
Good decision. I, along with most mates, used to go in 'The Stags' two or three times a week in 1981 onwards. It was always packed and well kept.

Leave the original pub building intact and demolish the appalling modern day cr*p extensions. The council should also make him tidy it up as from Wigan Road it's a pure eyesore. In fact the whole site is an eyesore and probably infested with vermin.

The owner is only concerned with pure greed.

The revamp of the Queen Anne pub next door has been a great success.
1981 its 2104 mate the pub was not doing too well so it closed. .. its a eyesore needs knocking down. Whats so good about it from the outside its not got any thing special even the brickwork is covered in render or teraline. If you want to turn it back into a pub you buy the building and do it up.
Yes I am aware it's 2014 you clown. I'm also aware the pub wasn't doing well either.

The original pub building isn't seen from Wigan Road, you only see the eyesore. The front of the pub, and the original building, is on Deane Church Lane.

Some decent money spent on the original building after the horrendous modern extensions have been demolished, will make a great pub again, or possibly other use.
[quote][p][bold]LoveBolton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: Good decision. I, along with most mates, used to go in 'The Stags' two or three times a week in 1981 onwards. It was always packed and well kept. Leave the original pub building intact and demolish the appalling modern day cr*p extensions. The council should also make him tidy it up as from Wigan Road it's a pure eyesore. In fact the whole site is an eyesore and probably infested with vermin. The owner is only concerned with pure greed. The revamp of the Queen Anne pub next door has been a great success.[/p][/quote]1981 its 2104 mate the pub was not doing too well so it closed. .. its a eyesore needs knocking down. Whats so good about it from the outside its not got any thing special even the brickwork is covered in render or teraline. If you want to turn it back into a pub you buy the building and do it up.[/p][/quote]Yes I am aware it's 2014 you clown. I'm also aware the pub wasn't doing well either. The original pub building isn't seen from Wigan Road, you only see the eyesore. The front of the pub, and the original building, is on Deane Church Lane. Some decent money spent on the original building after the horrendous modern extensions have been demolished, will make a great pub again, or possibly other use. wsw69
  • Score: 2

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