Victims 'told to investigate their own crimes' by Greater Manchester Police

Police are asking victims to investigate crimes themselves, a police report has found.

Police are asking victims to investigate crimes themselves, a police report has found.

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POLICE are asking victims of crime to launch their own investigations and are not attending some incidents at all, a report has found.

Greater Manchester Police (GMP) is also sending PCSOs out to investigate crimes on their own, with Her Majesty’s Inspectorate Constabulary (HMIC) questioning whether they have the skills required.

HMIC wrote to GMP with their findings after assessing how all 43 police forces in the UK are preventing and investigating crime, and freeing up police resources.

Chief constable Sir Peter Fahy described the force’s PCSOs as a “vital” part of policing and stressed that HMIC has rated GMP’s plans to deal with cuts as “outstanding”.

The letter states: “During the inspection, HMIC reviewed a number of crime investigations, including reports of crimes that were not attended.

“In certain cases, for crimes such as burglary dwellings, there was clear evidence of investigation and supervision.

“However, for other offences, such as theft from a motor vehicle, many of which were not attended, some cases were found to have little evidence of meaningful investigation or supervision.

“HMIC identified some examples of victims calling to report crimes and being asked to conduct local enquiries in relation to their own crimes in lieu of a police officer attending.”

The letter also remarks on the number of vacancies in the force’s call handling team, which stood at 23 when the inspection was carried out, and how the force was unable to provide a figure for the number of suspects waiting to be dealt with.

Sir Peter Fahy said: "Staff in the call centre and control room can access the history of an address and frequently do so to tell officers that we have been there before.

“They can also access on our secure system intelligence on any address or individual.

"PCSOs are a vital part of neighbourhood policing and we now have PCSOs who have served for ten years and we use them in line with their skills and experience as part of the neighbourhood policing team.

“In fact, we have many PCSOs who want to do more things and we are reviewing whether there are more things they can do as the overall number of staff reduces.

"I would also stress that the HMIC recently rated our plans to cope with budget reduction as outstanding."

Roger Baker, who led the inspection, said: “Police forces have done a good job in tackling crime and anti-social behaviour, leading to long-term reductions over the last ten years.

“However, we were concerned to find that a member of the public will receive a different response from the police for the same type of crime or incident, depending on where they live; this sort of postcode lottery has to stop and a consistent approach applied across England and Wales.”

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12:11pm Thu 4 Sep 14

piszoff says...

Let the beating commence.
Let the beating commence. piszoff
  • Score: 0

12:24pm Thu 4 Sep 14

mrs philainsy says...

“HMIC identified some examples of victims calling to report crimes and being asked to conduct local enquiries in relation to their own crimes in lieu of a police officer attending.”


So if Vigilante Groups emerge from this request, that's o.k is it?
“HMIC identified some examples of victims calling to report crimes and being asked to conduct local enquiries in relation to their own crimes in lieu of a police officer attending.” So if Vigilante Groups emerge from this request, that's o.k is it? mrs philainsy
  • Score: 29

12:45pm Thu 4 Sep 14

mrs philainsy says...

"Hello GMP ?"


"Yes"


"Theres a Flasher on Farnworth Park"


"Could you go and investigate yourself ?"



"Well I'm no Copper, but I'll have a **** good look"


RIDICULOUS!!!!
"Hello GMP ?" "Yes" "Theres a Flasher on Farnworth Park" "Could you go and investigate yourself ?" "Well I'm no Copper, but I'll have a **** good look" RIDICULOUS!!!! mrs philainsy
  • Score: 19

2:08pm Thu 4 Sep 14

marco999 says...

Great, so what next, put out your own fires, empty your own bins? If I report a crime and it doesn't get investigated can I have a refund on my council tax?
Great, so what next, put out your own fires, empty your own bins? If I report a crime and it doesn't get investigated can I have a refund on my council tax? marco999
  • Score: 27

2:45pm Thu 4 Sep 14

melloj says...

Yup. And I'll dish out my own punishment too. Thanks!

Rudolph Gulianni brought down crime substantially in New York through his 'broken window' policy, why aren't we inheriting the same approach if it works?
Yup. And I'll dish out my own punishment too. Thanks! Rudolph Gulianni brought down crime substantially in New York through his 'broken window' policy, why aren't we inheriting the same approach if it works? melloj
  • Score: 11

4:16pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Snakestail says...

melloj wrote:
Yup. And I'll dish out my own punishment too. Thanks!

Rudolph Gulianni brought down crime substantially in New York through his 'broken window' policy, why aren't we inheriting the same approach if it works?
He was a prosecutor who would prosecute a cat if it advanced his political ambitions. Perhaps if a GMP senior officer was running for political office then we'd get something done. And we already have our own "Broken Window" policy except that we call it the "Broken System" instead here in the UK.

Here's an idea, recent reports claim the building trade is slow to recover, not enough skilled builders. Prisons are overpopulated and we have high unemployment so...We stop pouring money into Europe (Where they spend it on potholes in Portugal instead of here) We stop giving foreign aid out like candy to countries that don't need it (like India) or countries that hate our guts (Like Pakistan) and we turn those billions into job training (Construction workers and Prison officers) We build new state of the art prison facilities and we reduce unemployment by converting the unemployed into builders and guards.
[quote][p][bold]melloj[/bold] wrote: Yup. And I'll dish out my own punishment too. Thanks! Rudolph Gulianni brought down crime substantially in New York through his 'broken window' policy, why aren't we inheriting the same approach if it works?[/p][/quote]He was a prosecutor who would prosecute a cat if it advanced his political ambitions. Perhaps if a GMP senior officer was running for political office then we'd get something done. And we already have our own "Broken Window" policy except that we call it the "Broken System" instead here in the UK. Here's an idea, recent reports claim the building trade is slow to recover, not enough skilled builders. Prisons are overpopulated and we have high unemployment so...We stop pouring money into Europe (Where they spend it on potholes in Portugal instead of here) We stop giving foreign aid out like candy to countries that don't need it (like India) or countries that hate our guts (Like Pakistan) and we turn those billions into job training (Construction workers and Prison officers) We build new state of the art prison facilities and we reduce unemployment by converting the unemployed into builders and guards. Snakestail
  • Score: 11

5:12pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Terry McC says...

Tell them hes got a gun amazing how many turn up will get sorted then :-)
Tell them hes got a gun amazing how many turn up will get sorted then :-) Terry McC
  • Score: 2

7:23pm Thu 4 Sep 14

bluemeanie63 says...

So if I report a crime, the police say,sort it out yourself, if I catch the scumbag, and give him a good kicking, bet they turn up mob handed and arrest me!
You couldn't make this **** up, this country has gone to the dogs, we let every man and his dog in a and now the police can't be ar5ed investigating crimes
So if I report a crime, the police say,sort it out yourself, if I catch the scumbag, and give him a good kicking, bet they turn up mob handed and arrest me! You couldn't make this **** up, this country has gone to the dogs, we let every man and his dog in a and now the police can't be ar5ed investigating crimes bluemeanie63
  • Score: 5

7:28pm Thu 4 Sep 14

wsw69 says...

If I caught someone breaking in to my property I'd beat the living 5h1te out of them first and the ask questions later, if I could be ar5ed.

It's all down to a numbers game for propaganda and bull5h1t reasons.

Peter Fahy (I won't use the Sir bit as he aint fit for it) is a waste of space in my opinion.

Get back to proper policing, proper sentencing and stop p155 ar51ng around the issues with bluff & bluster. Do the job properly or, if not, 50d off and let someone do it for you.

The system is as much part of the problem as the problem.
If I caught someone breaking in to my property I'd beat the living 5h1te out of them first and the ask questions later, if I could be ar5ed. It's all down to a numbers game for propaganda and bull5h1t reasons. Peter Fahy (I won't use the Sir bit as he aint fit for it) is a waste of space in my opinion. Get back to proper policing, proper sentencing and stop p155 ar51ng around the issues with bluff & bluster. Do the job properly or, if not, 50d off and let someone do it for you. The system is as much part of the problem as the problem. wsw69
  • Score: 32

8:42pm Thu 4 Sep 14

artistpaint says...

What next.pathetic.time bobbys got outa cars and start walkin the beat again.keep them fit and away from macs lol
What next.pathetic.time bobbys got outa cars and start walkin the beat again.keep them fit and away from macs lol artistpaint
  • Score: 5

9:48pm Thu 4 Sep 14

atlas123 says...

You can't blame police for sentencing!
You can't blame police for sentencing! atlas123
  • Score: 2

10:46pm Thu 4 Sep 14

artistpaint says...

We people pay a lot for our services.and all they do is moan about there payrises and pensions.
We people pay a lot for our services.and all they do is moan about there payrises and pensions. artistpaint
  • Score: 8

9:36am Fri 5 Sep 14

SleepingThunder says...

Most people know who is responsible for crime/drugs in our town & community but police fail to meet this head on instead they will bust some low level pot dealer to appease the community .

If you do choose to stand up & point the police in right direction with hard proof will they give support & action? No they will treat you like you are upsetting the apple cart trying to make there job hard.

PS illegals caught working at mash but you cannot comment on that.
Most people know who is responsible for crime/drugs in our town & community but police fail to meet this head on instead they will bust some low level pot dealer to appease the community . If you do choose to stand up & point the police in right direction with hard proof will they give support & action? No they will treat you like you are upsetting the apple cart trying to make there job hard. PS illegals caught working at mash but you cannot comment on that. SleepingThunder
  • Score: 3

12:48pm Fri 5 Sep 14

atlas123 says...

artistpaint wrote:
We people pay a lot for our services.and all they do is moan about there payrises and pensions.
And that goes across everything, police, fire, hospitals, schools, local government, judiciary etc.

Who'd have thought joking the police /fire would mean you need to work shifts? Why should the majority of the work 8am to 4pm
[quote][p][bold]artistpaint[/bold] wrote: We people pay a lot for our services.and all they do is moan about there payrises and pensions.[/p][/quote]And that goes across everything, police, fire, hospitals, schools, local government, judiciary etc. Who'd have thought joking the police /fire would mean you need to work shifts? Why should the majority of the work 8am to 4pm atlas123
  • Score: -1

12:08pm Sat 6 Sep 14

united99 says...

SleepingThunder wrote:
Most people know who is responsible for crime/drugs in our town & community but police fail to meet this head on instead they will bust some low level pot dealer to appease the community .

If you do choose to stand up & point the police in right direction with hard proof will they give support & action? No they will treat you like you are upsetting the apple cart trying to make there job hard.

PS illegals caught working at mash but you cannot comment on that.
No passport he'll be out on bail end of - any more
[quote][p][bold]SleepingThunder[/bold] wrote: Most people know who is responsible for crime/drugs in our town & community but police fail to meet this head on instead they will bust some low level pot dealer to appease the community . If you do choose to stand up & point the police in right direction with hard proof will they give support & action? No they will treat you like you are upsetting the apple cart trying to make there job hard. PS illegals caught working at mash but you cannot comment on that.[/p][/quote]No passport he'll be out on bail end of - any more united99
  • Score: 0

10:29am Sun 7 Sep 14

Dr.DCSD says...

Boy, have we had it so good for so long. Now we are reaping the benefits. Our mighty government, elected by the populace has spent the last few years saying we have to tighten our belts and cut our spending. The major pay rises have gone to M.Ps, Councillors and Senior Administrative positions. The major cuts have gone to the poor, lower class workers, senior citizens, pensioners and disabled. We have ALL contributed to the mess we are in now. The bosses have said we must cut and we have said "that's O.K. boss, we can manage." Each and every time we have taken on more and more work until we have reached the position where we cannot do the work properly anymore. The work force has been slashed and slashed whereas the Senior Management has increased more and more to the point where we are management Top Heavy. Consequently the Police Departments are not able to handle all the calls they are receiving and so we are faced with having to do our own investigating.
Now, ask yourself, who is the most likely person selling drugs on the corner, smashing out the windows, painting graffiti on the wall? IT IS YOUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOUR, YOUR OWN CHILD, YOUR FRIEND. You all know who is doing the jobs but are alway afraid to speak up because of fear of reprisals. Now you know where the police stand. NO EVIDENCE - NO ARREST-NO COURT-NO JAIL.
You say, "Use those people serving community service sentences to make up the numbers of government workers. Well, the unions are standing in the way, Health and Safety are standing in your way. They cannot be used because of insurance or supervision, etc.
What is the answer? Open your eyes, open your mouths and see the reality of what it is. We all have a responsibility to take care of ourselves and each other. NOT the government, Not parliament, Not the Police. They are there to uphold the law, and can only do that if the proper evidence is there for them to do something. What is so very wrong in filing a report over the phone or in person at a Police Station or designated spot. Start to provide names for them to to be able to investigate the crime properly. Get out of the arm chairs, put the beer down and start taking more responsibility for your own families and property. Use your ears eyes and mouth and start turning in those people you KNOW are guilty of the offence. HELP THE POLICE TO DO THERE JOB.
Boy, have we had it so good for so long. Now we are reaping the benefits. Our mighty government, elected by the populace has spent the last few years saying we have to tighten our belts and cut our spending. The major pay rises have gone to M.Ps, Councillors and Senior Administrative positions. The major cuts have gone to the poor, lower class workers, senior citizens, pensioners and disabled. We have ALL contributed to the mess we are in now. The bosses have said we must cut and we have said "that's O.K. boss, we can manage." Each and every time we have taken on more and more work until we have reached the position where we cannot do the work properly anymore. The work force has been slashed and slashed whereas the Senior Management has increased more and more to the point where we are management Top Heavy. Consequently the Police Departments are not able to handle all the calls they are receiving and so we are faced with having to do our own investigating. Now, ask yourself, who is the most likely person selling drugs on the corner, smashing out the windows, painting graffiti on the wall? IT IS YOUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOUR, YOUR OWN CHILD, YOUR FRIEND. You all know who is doing the jobs but are alway afraid to speak up because of fear of reprisals. Now you know where the police stand. NO EVIDENCE - NO ARREST-NO COURT-NO JAIL. You say, "Use those people serving community service sentences to make up the numbers of government workers. Well, the unions are standing in the way, Health and Safety are standing in your way. They cannot be used because of insurance or supervision, etc. What is the answer? Open your eyes, open your mouths and see the reality of what it is. We all have a responsibility to take care of ourselves and each other. NOT the government, Not parliament, Not the Police. They are there to uphold the law, and can only do that if the proper evidence is there for them to do something. What is so very wrong in filing a report over the phone or in person at a Police Station or designated spot. Start to provide names for them to to be able to investigate the crime properly. Get out of the arm chairs, put the beer down and start taking more responsibility for your own families and property. Use your ears eyes and mouth and start turning in those people you KNOW are guilty of the offence. HELP THE POLICE TO DO THERE JOB. Dr.DCSD
  • Score: 4

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