Transport secretary promises to look at overcrowding on Bolton's trains

The Bolton News: Passengers getting on a crowded train at Bolton station Passengers getting on a crowded train at Bolton station

THE secretary of state for transport has promised to look at the problem of overcrowding on Bolton’s trains.

Patrick McLoughlin told Bolton West MP Julie Hilling that he would examine the issue when she raised The Bolton News’ Let’s Get Back On Track campaign in parliament.

It comes just days after Prime Minister David Cameron, on a visit to The Bolton News, also said he would look into Bolton’s rail issues.

Ms Hilling spoke in the House of Commons about the chaos caused by the government’s electrification programme.

She asked whether more carriages could be brought to the region to ease overcrowding.

Mr McLoughlin said: “I will look at the case.”

The Bolton News launched the Let’s Get Back On Track campaign calling for a dramatic improvement to the town’s “cattle truck” rail services now First Trans-Pennine Express runs fewer services to and from Manchester as a result of major work to electrify the Manchester to Preston line.

A busy morning commuter train has also had its carriages reduced from six to just three.

Despite Mr Cameron saying he would look at the issue, MP Stephen Hammond, the Under-Secretary of State, told Bolton North East MP David Crausby it was a matter for the local railway operators.

During the debate with Mr McLoughlin, Ms Hilling asked: “Electrification is very welcome but it is creating mayhem in my constituency, with cuts to services and terrible overcrowding.

“The Prime Minister told The Bolton News “I will go away and look into it” — however, Mr Hammond has washed his hands of the issue.

“Who is right and who will provide more rolling stock for my constituents?”

Mr McLoughlin said: “If one is quoting between the Prime Minister and the Secretary of State or any other Minister, it is usual to assume that the Prime Minister is right.

“At the end of the day we will get a far, far better railway. I am pleased that we are investing in the electrification of the railways, which the last government singularly failed to do.”

Speaking after the debate, Ms Hilling said now the government needs to act on its commitment.

She added: “I hope they will genuinely look into it, but also actually do something.

“We have this unprecedented investment but I don’t think the government is paying enough attention to the rolling stock. It’s a crisis across the north.”

Cllr David Chadwick, Bolton Council’s executive member for the highways and transport, said he and Ms Hilling had worked together with the train companies to get to this point.

He added: “Now we want to make sure we retain any rolling stock in the region.

“Somebody in central government has got to sign off for that money to be spent.”

Railway campaigner Preva Crossley said it was encouraging to see people backing The Bolton News campaign.

He added: “It is excellent news. “The next step is to really mither the Department for Transport to get something done.

“But it’s all coming into place, and the more people who come on board the more chance we have of succeeding.”

 

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6:46am Sat 21 Dec 13

oftbewildered2 says...

good - now we have picked up the ball, lets keep running with it. Rolling stock is just as important as the tracks it runs on. Never could understand why there is a train service to and from Manchester Airport with no space to stow your luggage.
good - now we have picked up the ball, lets keep running with it. Rolling stock is just as important as the tracks it runs on. Never could understand why there is a train service to and from Manchester Airport with no space to stow your luggage. oftbewildered2

9:49am Sat 21 Dec 13

soup153 says...

Only said LOOK oftbewildered2
Only said LOOK oftbewildered2 soup153

10:45am Sat 21 Dec 13

madmel2122 says...

if they tried to pack animals on a train like they do humans it would be illegal make the mps or train manegment travel on these trains then you would soon get something done
if they tried to pack animals on a train like they do humans it would be illegal make the mps or train manegment travel on these trains then you would soon get something done madmel2122

11:14am Sat 21 Dec 13

andy_88 says...

Northern rail need are people with common sense why send a 4 carriage service to Southport at 07.23 and only 2 carriages to ermmm Manchester Victoria at 07.25???? the Manchester one is 95% full by the time it gets to Bolton where as I seriously doubt the Southport service is even 50% full when it reaches Southport!!. But once again this is the problem when a company gets so much extra money from tax payers they don't need to work for it.
Northern rail need are people with common sense why send a 4 carriage service to Southport at 07.23 and only 2 carriages to ermmm Manchester Victoria at 07.25???? the Manchester one is 95% full by the time it gets to Bolton where as I seriously doubt the Southport service is even 50% full when it reaches Southport!!. But once again this is the problem when a company gets so much extra money from tax payers they don't need to work for it. andy_88

11:44am Sat 21 Dec 13

JJKBolton says...

THE secretary of state for transport has promised to look at the problem of overcrowding on Bolton’s trains.

Patrick McLoughlin told Bolton West MP Julie Hilling

NO MR MC,LOUGHLIN MPs and bureaucrats from all corners of the political spectrum have been LOOKING for far too long and the travelling public have suffered long enough. PICK up the phone and issue an instruction , or will you need to look at your phone till the next election?
THE secretary of state for transport has promised to look at the problem of overcrowding on Bolton’s trains. Patrick McLoughlin told Bolton West MP Julie Hilling NO MR MC,LOUGHLIN MPs and bureaucrats from all corners of the political spectrum have been LOOKING for far too long and the travelling public have suffered long enough. PICK up the phone and issue an instruction , or will you need to look at your phone till the next election? JJKBolton

12:27pm Sat 21 Dec 13

MalcM59 says...

Looks like a catch 22 situation... The government says talk to the train operators, yet it would seem that the train operators are bound by the conditions imposed on them by the government which precludes them from getting any more rolling stock. Crazy state of affairs... British Rail was badly run, but this privatized shambles beats it into a cocked hat !
Looks like a catch 22 situation... The government says talk to the train operators, yet it would seem that the train operators are bound by the conditions imposed on them by the government which precludes them from getting any more rolling stock. Crazy state of affairs... British Rail was badly run, but this privatized shambles beats it into a cocked hat ! MalcM59

1:20pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Lynn57 says...

Privatisation was such a success wasn`t it?? NOT. These trains are from the seventies, tatty and creaking and so packed that if somebody has a heart attack or stroke they will not be able to be transported on or off because we are jammed like sardines with people standing in rattling freezing stairwells. £1200 per annum for this lot and they will make it worse by removing several trains to the airport (a busy commuter route), and reducing carriages from six to 3. "Looking at it" solves nothing it needs sorted before there is a fatality and people are too jammed in to move or help. I have written to my MP and been involved in the campaign it is all that we can do.
Privatisation was such a success wasn`t it?? NOT. These trains are from the seventies, tatty and creaking and so packed that if somebody has a heart attack or stroke they will not be able to be transported on or off because we are jammed like sardines with people standing in rattling freezing stairwells. £1200 per annum for this lot and they will make it worse by removing several trains to the airport (a busy commuter route), and reducing carriages from six to 3. "Looking at it" solves nothing it needs sorted before there is a fatality and people are too jammed in to move or help. I have written to my MP and been involved in the campaign it is all that we can do. Lynn57

3:35pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Sagacity says...

Not sure that things will be much better after electrification. When everything is working it will be fine. But, If anything goes wrong with the electrical distribution system such as the overhead wires, then EVERY train on the route comes to a halt. I know, I now live on an electric route in another part of the country.
Another point, many of the destinations of trains from Bolton will still have to go on lines that are not going to be electrified eg Blackburn, Clitheroe, Southport, Barrow. These services will still require diesel trains, unless the whole pattern of services is changed, the number of destinations from Bolton reduced, or changes of train from electric to diesel eg you would travel on an electric train from Manchester to Bolton then change to a diesel at Bolton to go on to Blackburn. This would be very inconvenient for passengers and would increase congestion at Bolton.
I do not know if it is being considered but I see one big potential advantage to Bolton from electrification. Electric trains will be able to run from Glasgow to London via Manchester which could include a stop in Bolton. This would put Bolton much more on the map with through trains to many more destinations, in particular London and Birmingham. This would be very good for the local economy.
Not sure that things will be much better after electrification. When everything is working it will be fine. But, If anything goes wrong with the electrical distribution system such as the overhead wires, then EVERY train on the route comes to a halt. I know, I now live on an electric route in another part of the country. Another point, many of the destinations of trains from Bolton will still have to go on lines that are not going to be electrified eg Blackburn, Clitheroe, Southport, Barrow. These services will still require diesel trains, unless the whole pattern of services is changed, the number of destinations from Bolton reduced, or changes of train from electric to diesel eg you would travel on an electric train from Manchester to Bolton then change to a diesel at Bolton to go on to Blackburn. This would be very inconvenient for passengers and would increase congestion at Bolton. I do not know if it is being considered but I see one big potential advantage to Bolton from electrification. Electric trains will be able to run from Glasgow to London via Manchester which could include a stop in Bolton. This would put Bolton much more on the map with through trains to many more destinations, in particular London and Birmingham. This would be very good for the local economy. Sagacity

3:56pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Andy Higham says...

Lynn57 wrote:
Privatisation was such a success wasn`t it?? NOT. These trains are from the seventies, tatty and creaking and so packed that if somebody has a heart attack or stroke they will not be able to be transported on or off because we are jammed like sardines with people standing in rattling freezing stairwells. £1200 per annum for this lot and they will make it worse by removing several trains to the airport (a busy commuter route), and reducing carriages from six to 3. "Looking at it" solves nothing it needs sorted before there is a fatality and people are too jammed in to move or help. I have written to my MP and been involved in the campaign it is all that we can do.
The problem is privatisation was a success, so much so that the number of passengers using the railways has increased many fold. The whole system is at maximum capacity. When upgrading work needs to be carried out there is no slack in the system to cater for delayed and re sheduled trains
[quote][p][bold]Lynn57[/bold] wrote: Privatisation was such a success wasn`t it?? NOT. These trains are from the seventies, tatty and creaking and so packed that if somebody has a heart attack or stroke they will not be able to be transported on or off because we are jammed like sardines with people standing in rattling freezing stairwells. £1200 per annum for this lot and they will make it worse by removing several trains to the airport (a busy commuter route), and reducing carriages from six to 3. "Looking at it" solves nothing it needs sorted before there is a fatality and people are too jammed in to move or help. I have written to my MP and been involved in the campaign it is all that we can do.[/p][/quote]The problem is privatisation was a success, so much so that the number of passengers using the railways has increased many fold. The whole system is at maximum capacity. When upgrading work needs to be carried out there is no slack in the system to cater for delayed and re sheduled trains Andy Higham

5:11pm Sat 21 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

Andy Higham wrote:
Lynn57 wrote:
Privatisation was such a success wasn`t it?? NOT. These trains are from the seventies, tatty and creaking and so packed that if somebody has a heart attack or stroke they will not be able to be transported on or off because we are jammed like sardines with people standing in rattling freezing stairwells. £1200 per annum for this lot and they will make it worse by removing several trains to the airport (a busy commuter route), and reducing carriages from six to 3. "Looking at it" solves nothing it needs sorted before there is a fatality and people are too jammed in to move or help. I have written to my MP and been involved in the campaign it is all that we can do.
The problem is privatisation was a success, so much so that the number of passengers using the railways has increased many fold. The whole system is at maximum capacity. When upgrading work needs to be carried out there is no slack in the system to cater for delayed and re sheduled trains
Don't know about that as there were extra services yesterday afternoon and evening between Manchester Victoria and Kirkby (Merseyside) and that was during the rush hour!!! - But the trains were only half full, unlike the Bolton trains. Those extra carriages could have been used to increase capacity on other lines such as Bolton!

As someone else has said it is bad management by the operation and garage managers of Northern - and no matter if they win the next franchise or not the same managers will still be in place to mis-manage!
[quote][p][bold]Andy Higham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lynn57[/bold] wrote: Privatisation was such a success wasn`t it?? NOT. These trains are from the seventies, tatty and creaking and so packed that if somebody has a heart attack or stroke they will not be able to be transported on or off because we are jammed like sardines with people standing in rattling freezing stairwells. £1200 per annum for this lot and they will make it worse by removing several trains to the airport (a busy commuter route), and reducing carriages from six to 3. "Looking at it" solves nothing it needs sorted before there is a fatality and people are too jammed in to move or help. I have written to my MP and been involved in the campaign it is all that we can do.[/p][/quote]The problem is privatisation was a success, so much so that the number of passengers using the railways has increased many fold. The whole system is at maximum capacity. When upgrading work needs to be carried out there is no slack in the system to cater for delayed and re sheduled trains[/p][/quote]Don't know about that as there were extra services yesterday afternoon and evening between Manchester Victoria and Kirkby (Merseyside) and that was during the rush hour!!! - But the trains were only half full, unlike the Bolton trains. Those extra carriages could have been used to increase capacity on other lines such as Bolton! As someone else has said it is bad management by the operation and garage managers of Northern - and no matter if they win the next franchise or not the same managers will still be in place to mis-manage! BWFC71

5:59pm Sat 21 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

I have been campaigning for more space (for the timetable change) since April this year with knowing what was going to happen and was proved right - but that is no consolation.

The problem we have is that not one of the rail industry bodies want to take ownership of the current situation and they are blaming each other and advising it has nothing to do with them. It is not Northern's fault due to the fact they signed up to the franchise which specified no extra carriages/units as part of the franchise - and that was Labour's doing!!!! But The Conservative Party, when they took control (with thanks to the LibDems) could have amended the franchise but didn't. Network Rail and TfGM don't want to know although they are supposedly part and parcel of anything transport here in this region.

So if you try to find anything out you just end up going round in circles and they all hope you soon give up and hope for the best. It is rightly pathetic by every quango and department involved in this mess!
I have been campaigning for more space (for the timetable change) since April this year with knowing what was going to happen and was proved right - but that is no consolation. The problem we have is that not one of the rail industry bodies want to take ownership of the current situation and they are blaming each other and advising it has nothing to do with them. It is not Northern's fault due to the fact they signed up to the franchise which specified no extra carriages/units as part of the franchise - and that was Labour's doing!!!! But The Conservative Party, when they took control (with thanks to the LibDems) could have amended the franchise but didn't. Network Rail and TfGM don't want to know although they are supposedly part and parcel of anything transport here in this region. So if you try to find anything out you just end up going round in circles and they all hope you soon give up and hope for the best. It is rightly pathetic by every quango and department involved in this mess! BWFC71

6:09pm Sat 21 Dec 13

GJS1965 says...

Perfect example yesterday when people were stopped from getting on the 4.20pm Blackpool North train from Victoria as it was full before it had even left Victoria. The train arrived at Salford Central and the guard refused to open the doors and let anyone on. 40+ people stood on the platform in disbelief and anger as the train set off without even attempting to let anyone on. It's noticeable that people are getting increasingly frustrated and it is only a matter of time before a guard is assaulted or passengers start fighting amongst themselves.
Perfect example yesterday when people were stopped from getting on the 4.20pm Blackpool North train from Victoria as it was full before it had even left Victoria. The train arrived at Salford Central and the guard refused to open the doors and let anyone on. 40+ people stood on the platform in disbelief and anger as the train set off without even attempting to let anyone on. It's noticeable that people are getting increasingly frustrated and it is only a matter of time before a guard is assaulted or passengers start fighting amongst themselves. GJS1965

6:19pm Sat 21 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

GJS1965 wrote:
Perfect example yesterday when people were stopped from getting on the 4.20pm Blackpool North train from Victoria as it was full before it had even left Victoria. The train arrived at Salford Central and the guard refused to open the doors and let anyone on. 40+ people stood on the platform in disbelief and anger as the train set off without even attempting to let anyone on. It's noticeable that people are getting increasingly frustrated and it is only a matter of time before a guard is assaulted or passengers start fighting amongst themselves.
Totally agreed!!! It has nearly happened a few times at Bolton station - especially one day this last week when the 0755 was a double Class142 pacer unit (bus train) and the platform staff and guards were physically pushing people on to the train so the doors could close!!!

Thankfully I was awaiting the 0759 (or should that be the 0802 as it has NEVER been on time and always arrives at 0802) and even that was full when left Bolton - to cope with the extra passengers that couldn't get on the 0755 and then it still had to call and pick up at Moses Gate, Farnworth and Kearsley!!!

It is just a matter of time before an assault on the guard does take place, as GJS1965 says!
[quote][p][bold]GJS1965[/bold] wrote: Perfect example yesterday when people were stopped from getting on the 4.20pm Blackpool North train from Victoria as it was full before it had even left Victoria. The train arrived at Salford Central and the guard refused to open the doors and let anyone on. 40+ people stood on the platform in disbelief and anger as the train set off without even attempting to let anyone on. It's noticeable that people are getting increasingly frustrated and it is only a matter of time before a guard is assaulted or passengers start fighting amongst themselves.[/p][/quote]Totally agreed!!! It has nearly happened a few times at Bolton station - especially one day this last week when the 0755 was a double Class142 pacer unit (bus train) and the platform staff and guards were physically pushing people on to the train so the doors could close!!! Thankfully I was awaiting the 0759 (or should that be the 0802 as it has NEVER been on time and always arrives at 0802) and even that was full when left Bolton - to cope with the extra passengers that couldn't get on the 0755 and then it still had to call and pick up at Moses Gate, Farnworth and Kearsley!!! It is just a matter of time before an assault on the guard does take place, as GJS1965 says! BWFC71

6:25pm Sat 21 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

Sagacity wrote:
Not sure that things will be much better after electrification. When everything is working it will be fine. But, If anything goes wrong with the electrical distribution system such as the overhead wires, then EVERY train on the route comes to a halt. I know, I now live on an electric route in another part of the country.
Another point, many of the destinations of trains from Bolton will still have to go on lines that are not going to be electrified eg Blackburn, Clitheroe, Southport, Barrow. These services will still require diesel trains, unless the whole pattern of services is changed, the number of destinations from Bolton reduced, or changes of train from electric to diesel eg you would travel on an electric train from Manchester to Bolton then change to a diesel at Bolton to go on to Blackburn. This would be very inconvenient for passengers and would increase congestion at Bolton.
I do not know if it is being considered but I see one big potential advantage to Bolton from electrification. Electric trains will be able to run from Glasgow to London via Manchester which could include a stop in Bolton. This would put Bolton much more on the map with through trains to many more destinations, in particular London and Birmingham. This would be very good for the local economy.
Knowing the rail industry they would rather have the Glasgow to London train go via Wigan as that IS the main line!!! We have already lost the Scottish services wit the timetable changes!!!
[quote][p][bold]Sagacity[/bold] wrote: Not sure that things will be much better after electrification. When everything is working it will be fine. But, If anything goes wrong with the electrical distribution system such as the overhead wires, then EVERY train on the route comes to a halt. I know, I now live on an electric route in another part of the country. Another point, many of the destinations of trains from Bolton will still have to go on lines that are not going to be electrified eg Blackburn, Clitheroe, Southport, Barrow. These services will still require diesel trains, unless the whole pattern of services is changed, the number of destinations from Bolton reduced, or changes of train from electric to diesel eg you would travel on an electric train from Manchester to Bolton then change to a diesel at Bolton to go on to Blackburn. This would be very inconvenient for passengers and would increase congestion at Bolton. I do not know if it is being considered but I see one big potential advantage to Bolton from electrification. Electric trains will be able to run from Glasgow to London via Manchester which could include a stop in Bolton. This would put Bolton much more on the map with through trains to many more destinations, in particular London and Birmingham. This would be very good for the local economy.[/p][/quote]Knowing the rail industry they would rather have the Glasgow to London train go via Wigan as that IS the main line!!! We have already lost the Scottish services wit the timetable changes!!! BWFC71

10:41pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Reality50 says...

Bolton has 4 platforms yet only 3 are ever used Platforms 1,3 and 4, Why is 2 never used? If you walk to the end of PL 1,there is a Platform 2. This should be used and as a direct Blton-Manchester service. Rolling stock as usual being the problem. Burnley are having the same problem with their new Accrington/Burnley to Mcr Victoria service due to start next summer. Now the Todmorden Curve has been reinstated all seemed dandy at a cost of £8million until Northern Rail said they had no trains as no rolling stock was available. Northern Rail are a disgrace and never invest and just are in it for profit. The sooner Northern Rail lose the franchise the better.
Bolton has 4 platforms yet only 3 are ever used Platforms 1,3 and 4, Why is 2 never used? If you walk to the end of PL 1,there is a Platform 2. This should be used and as a direct Blton-Manchester service. Rolling stock as usual being the problem. Burnley are having the same problem with their new Accrington/Burnley to Mcr Victoria service due to start next summer. Now the Todmorden Curve has been reinstated all seemed dandy at a cost of £8million until Northern Rail said they had no trains as no rolling stock was available. Northern Rail are a disgrace and never invest and just are in it for profit. The sooner Northern Rail lose the franchise the better. Reality50

11:06pm Sat 21 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

Reality50 wrote:
Bolton has 4 platforms yet only 3 are ever used Platforms 1,3 and 4, Why is 2 never used? If you walk to the end of PL 1,there is a Platform 2. This should be used and as a direct Blton-Manchester service. Rolling stock as usual being the problem. Burnley are having the same problem with their new Accrington/Burnley to Mcr Victoria service due to start next summer. Now the Todmorden Curve has been reinstated all seemed dandy at a cost of £8million until Northern Rail said they had no trains as no rolling stock was available. Northern Rail are a disgrace and never invest and just are in it for profit. The sooner Northern Rail lose the franchise the better.
Actually from 2015 there will be 5 platforms at Bolton with the re-instatement of the through platform on the other side of platform 4.

The bay-platform (platform 2) is used for when the Blackburn service (either single 2 coach Class 142 unit or a single class15x coach) has to truncate services at Bolton de to various reasons. In fact Platform 2 would not be accommodate a double pacer 142 units or a single unit of the 25 year old electric trains we will be getting from Thameslink.
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Bolton has 4 platforms yet only 3 are ever used Platforms 1,3 and 4, Why is 2 never used? If you walk to the end of PL 1,there is a Platform 2. This should be used and as a direct Blton-Manchester service. Rolling stock as usual being the problem. Burnley are having the same problem with their new Accrington/Burnley to Mcr Victoria service due to start next summer. Now the Todmorden Curve has been reinstated all seemed dandy at a cost of £8million until Northern Rail said they had no trains as no rolling stock was available. Northern Rail are a disgrace and never invest and just are in it for profit. The sooner Northern Rail lose the franchise the better.[/p][/quote]Actually from 2015 there will be 5 platforms at Bolton with the re-instatement of the through platform on the other side of platform 4. The bay-platform (platform 2) is used for when the Blackburn service (either single 2 coach Class 142 unit or a single class15x coach) has to truncate services at Bolton de to various reasons. In fact Platform 2 would not be accommodate a double pacer 142 units or a single unit of the 25 year old electric trains we will be getting from Thameslink. BWFC71

11:23pm Sat 21 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

Reality50 wrote:
Bolton has 4 platforms yet only 3 are ever used Platforms 1,3 and 4, Why is 2 never used? If you walk to the end of PL 1,there is a Platform 2. This should be used and as a direct Blton-Manchester service. Rolling stock as usual being the problem. Burnley are having the same problem with their new Accrington/Burnley to Mcr Victoria service due to start next summer. Now the Todmorden Curve has been reinstated all seemed dandy at a cost of £8million until Northern Rail said they had no trains as no rolling stock was available. Northern Rail are a disgrace and never invest and just are in it for profit. The sooner Northern Rail lose the franchise the better.
Northern Rail are NOT ALLOWED to invest due to the contract they signed with the DfT under the Labour regime!. Any spare train they have to go begging to DfT to try to get any spare rolling stock - at this moment as I and many other have said there is NO spare rolling stock and if we did receive any stock it would have to come from another Train Operating Company franchise!!!

Also according to current laws all TOC's have to put up the fares by RPI+x% this is so that any subisidy they receive from the Governmeent is continually being reduced - therefore sometime in the future all the franchise money will come from the customers rather than from customers and subsidies from the Government!

The Todmorden Curve was not the idea o Northern Rail but it was re-instated by Network Rail but as the line comes under the franchise of Northern Rail then Northern Rail has to operate it - but as I said they are using ALL current stock and would, and do, go cap in hand to try to get any spare stock that the DfT may have around the country (which then goes through a train leasing company). A bit like Platform 5 - Network Rail are closing Bolton Station car-park from just after Easter next year (for good) so they can prepare and re-instate it! Northern Rail just operate th trains and that's it!

The people to blame here are the DfT for not buying extra stock for the countries expanding networks and Labour for the current Franchise Contract and Con-Dems for not amending the contract when they first came in power.

Any new stock to be ordered would take about 3 years from placing the order to coming into public service!!!
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Bolton has 4 platforms yet only 3 are ever used Platforms 1,3 and 4, Why is 2 never used? If you walk to the end of PL 1,there is a Platform 2. This should be used and as a direct Blton-Manchester service. Rolling stock as usual being the problem. Burnley are having the same problem with their new Accrington/Burnley to Mcr Victoria service due to start next summer. Now the Todmorden Curve has been reinstated all seemed dandy at a cost of £8million until Northern Rail said they had no trains as no rolling stock was available. Northern Rail are a disgrace and never invest and just are in it for profit. The sooner Northern Rail lose the franchise the better.[/p][/quote]Northern Rail are NOT ALLOWED to invest due to the contract they signed with the DfT under the Labour regime!. Any spare train they have to go begging to DfT to try to get any spare rolling stock - at this moment as I and many other have said there is NO spare rolling stock and if we did receive any stock it would have to come from another Train Operating Company franchise!!! Also according to current laws all TOC's have to put up the fares by RPI+x% this is so that any subisidy they receive from the Governmeent is continually being reduced - therefore sometime in the future all the franchise money will come from the customers rather than from customers and subsidies from the Government! The Todmorden Curve was not the idea o Northern Rail but it was re-instated by Network Rail but as the line comes under the franchise of Northern Rail then Northern Rail has to operate it - but as I said they are using ALL current stock and would, and do, go cap in hand to try to get any spare stock that the DfT may have around the country (which then goes through a train leasing company). A bit like Platform 5 - Network Rail are closing Bolton Station car-park from just after Easter next year (for good) so they can prepare and re-instate it! Northern Rail just operate th trains and that's it! The people to blame here are the DfT for not buying extra stock for the countries expanding networks and Labour for the current Franchise Contract and Con-Dems for not amending the contract when they first came in power. Any new stock to be ordered would take about 3 years from placing the order to coming into public service!!! BWFC71

1:55am Sun 22 Dec 13

MarkAllRead says...

BWFC71: "Network Rail are closing Bolton Station car-park from just after Easter next year (for good)"

Really?! That would be crazy, why are they doing that? Do you have a link for more information on this?
BWFC71: "Network Rail are closing Bolton Station car-park from just after Easter next year (for good)" Really?! That would be crazy, why are they doing that? Do you have a link for more information on this? MarkAllRead

3:21am Sun 22 Dec 13

Reality50 says...

Thanks for the info and closing the car park will save the train companies money as loads non paying passengers often get off the trains and walk up that car park rather than through the main entrance where they get ticket checked. I have seen many do it especially at night.
Thanks for the info and closing the car park will save the train companies money as loads non paying passengers often get off the trains and walk up that car park rather than through the main entrance where they get ticket checked. I have seen many do it especially at night. Reality50

9:09am Sun 22 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

Reality50 wrote:
Thanks for the info and closing the car park will save the train companies money as loads non paying passengers often get off the trains and walk up that car park rather than through the main entrance where they get ticket checked. I have seen many do it especially at night.
But the more honest fare paying passengers, such as myself, will have nowhere to park and the bus services are as such, near me, that I cannot catch a bus to get to work at a sensible time before work or get late for work so that means I am being forced into my car to drive into work - something I honestly do not want to do!

There again at night there are no inspectors at all so the fare-dodgers could actually go through the main entrance as well as via the car park!
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Thanks for the info and closing the car park will save the train companies money as loads non paying passengers often get off the trains and walk up that car park rather than through the main entrance where they get ticket checked. I have seen many do it especially at night.[/p][/quote]But the more honest fare paying passengers, such as myself, will have nowhere to park and the bus services are as such, near me, that I cannot catch a bus to get to work at a sensible time before work or get late for work so that means I am being forced into my car to drive into work - something I honestly do not want to do! There again at night there are no inspectors at all so the fare-dodgers could actually go through the main entrance as well as via the car park! BWFC71

9:18am Sun 22 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

MarkAllRead wrote:
BWFC71: "Network Rail are closing Bolton Station car-park from just after Easter next year (for good)"

Really?! That would be crazy, why are they doing that? Do you have a link for more information on this?
I was having a meeting with the station manager, Stephen Curry, with regards to the car park and he was saying that they are revamping the car park in January (weather permitting) with new white lines to stop some of the pathetic parking, but it is only a temporary measure at Network Rail are taking back the land sometime after April (he wasn't quite sue of the date and possible due to the ongoing electrification works) but basically Network Rail are wanting the land to store goods and equipment required for the electrification works and then they are re-instating Platform 5 as a through platform (opens from about the end of 2015).

To be fair the Manager wasn't happy as he and his Northern Rail bosses (as they rent the station from Network Rail) were wanting to completely and extend the car park and make it all tarmacked for the increasing number of customers - and this will no longer happen as passengers are not allowed to cross the tracks at a main station and when the platform is re-opened it would take so much space away from the car it makes it unviable to continue.
[quote][p][bold]MarkAllRead[/bold] wrote: BWFC71: "Network Rail are closing Bolton Station car-park from just after Easter next year (for good)" Really?! That would be crazy, why are they doing that? Do you have a link for more information on this?[/p][/quote]I was having a meeting with the station manager, Stephen Curry, with regards to the car park and he was saying that they are revamping the car park in January (weather permitting) with new white lines to stop some of the pathetic parking, but it is only a temporary measure at Network Rail are taking back the land sometime after April (he wasn't quite sue of the date and possible due to the ongoing electrification works) but basically Network Rail are wanting the land to store goods and equipment required for the electrification works and then they are re-instating Platform 5 as a through platform (opens from about the end of 2015). To be fair the Manager wasn't happy as he and his Northern Rail bosses (as they rent the station from Network Rail) were wanting to completely and extend the car park and make it all tarmacked for the increasing number of customers - and this will no longer happen as passengers are not allowed to cross the tracks at a main station and when the platform is re-opened it would take so much space away from the car it makes it unviable to continue. BWFC71

10:34am Sun 22 Dec 13

BWFC71 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
MarkAllRead wrote:
BWFC71: "Network Rail are closing Bolton Station car-park from just after Easter next year (for good)"

Really?! That would be crazy, why are they doing that? Do you have a link for more information on this?
I was having a meeting with the station manager, Stephen Curry, with regards to the car park and he was saying that they are revamping the car park in January (weather permitting) with new white lines to stop some of the pathetic parking, but it is only a temporary measure at Network Rail are taking back the land sometime after April (he wasn't quite sue of the date and possible due to the ongoing electrification works) but basically Network Rail are wanting the land to store goods and equipment required for the electrification works and then they are re-instating Platform 5 as a through platform (opens from about the end of 2015).

To be fair the Manager wasn't happy as he and his Northern Rail bosses (as they rent the station from Network Rail) were wanting to completely and extend the car park and make it all tarmacked for the increasing number of customers - and this will no longer happen as passengers are not allowed to cross the tracks at a main station and when the platform is re-opened it would take so much space away from the car it makes it unviable to continue.
Sounds like a quite sensible idea but there is one major flaw - where would it go as the trains these days are not separate coaches but are linked and as such all wired up as well, you can't put it at the back of the train as the back does become the front on return journeys!
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkAllRead[/bold] wrote: BWFC71: "Network Rail are closing Bolton Station car-park from just after Easter next year (for good)" Really?! That would be crazy, why are they doing that? Do you have a link for more information on this?[/p][/quote]I was having a meeting with the station manager, Stephen Curry, with regards to the car park and he was saying that they are revamping the car park in January (weather permitting) with new white lines to stop some of the pathetic parking, but it is only a temporary measure at Network Rail are taking back the land sometime after April (he wasn't quite sue of the date and possible due to the ongoing electrification works) but basically Network Rail are wanting the land to store goods and equipment required for the electrification works and then they are re-instating Platform 5 as a through platform (opens from about the end of 2015). To be fair the Manager wasn't happy as he and his Northern Rail bosses (as they rent the station from Network Rail) were wanting to completely and extend the car park and make it all tarmacked for the increasing number of customers - and this will no longer happen as passengers are not allowed to cross the tracks at a main station and when the platform is re-opened it would take so much space away from the car it makes it unviable to continue.[/p][/quote]Sounds like a quite sensible idea but there is one major flaw - where would it go as the trains these days are not separate coaches but are linked and as such all wired up as well, you can't put it at the back of the train as the back does become the front on return journeys! BWFC71

11:43pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Frogger123 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
MarkAllRead wrote:
BWFC71: "Network Rail are closing Bolton Station car-park from just after Easter next year (for good)"

Really?! That would be crazy, why are they doing that? Do you have a link for more information on this?
I was having a meeting with the station manager, Stephen Curry, with regards to the car park and he was saying that they are revamping the car park in January (weather permitting) with new white lines to stop some of the pathetic parking, but it is only a temporary measure at Network Rail are taking back the land sometime after April (he wasn't quite sue of the date and possible due to the ongoing electrification works) but basically Network Rail are wanting the land to store goods and equipment required for the electrification works and then they are re-instating Platform 5 as a through platform (opens from about the end of 2015).

To be fair the Manager wasn't happy as he and his Northern Rail bosses (as they rent the station from Network Rail) were wanting to completely and extend the car park and make it all tarmacked for the increasing number of customers - and this will no longer happen as passengers are not allowed to cross the tracks at a main station and when the platform is re-opened it would take so much space away from the car it makes it unviable to continue.
Sounds like a quite sensible idea but there is one major flaw - where would it go as the trains these days are not separate coaches but are linked and as such all wired up as well, you can't put it at the back of the train as the back does become the front on return journeys!
I'm so cross about this. So the station 'car park' behind platform 4 is being taken away which I park on to leave on the 7.08 / 7.12 these days, it's also virtually full at this time too. Neither will we have the option soon to pay on Johnson street / railway triangle car park as it will be demolished- where are we supposed to park.??? I've made this point before but last time I had to rely on the bus I nearly got sacked for constant lateness, also there's virtually no buses at 6.30 am when I need to leave.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkAllRead[/bold] wrote: BWFC71: "Network Rail are closing Bolton Station car-park from just after Easter next year (for good)" Really?! That would be crazy, why are they doing that? Do you have a link for more information on this?[/p][/quote]I was having a meeting with the station manager, Stephen Curry, with regards to the car park and he was saying that they are revamping the car park in January (weather permitting) with new white lines to stop some of the pathetic parking, but it is only a temporary measure at Network Rail are taking back the land sometime after April (he wasn't quite sue of the date and possible due to the ongoing electrification works) but basically Network Rail are wanting the land to store goods and equipment required for the electrification works and then they are re-instating Platform 5 as a through platform (opens from about the end of 2015). To be fair the Manager wasn't happy as he and his Northern Rail bosses (as they rent the station from Network Rail) were wanting to completely and extend the car park and make it all tarmacked for the increasing number of customers - and this will no longer happen as passengers are not allowed to cross the tracks at a main station and when the platform is re-opened it would take so much space away from the car it makes it unviable to continue.[/p][/quote]Sounds like a quite sensible idea but there is one major flaw - where would it go as the trains these days are not separate coaches but are linked and as such all wired up as well, you can't put it at the back of the train as the back does become the front on return journeys![/p][/quote]I'm so cross about this. So the station 'car park' behind platform 4 is being taken away which I park on to leave on the 7.08 / 7.12 these days, it's also virtually full at this time too. Neither will we have the option soon to pay on Johnson street / railway triangle car park as it will be demolished- where are we supposed to park.??? I've made this point before but last time I had to rely on the bus I nearly got sacked for constant lateness, also there's virtually no buses at 6.30 am when I need to leave. Frogger123

8:31am Fri 27 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

Frogger123 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
MarkAllRead wrote:
BWFC71: "Network Rail are closing Bolton Station car-park from just after Easter next year (for good)"

Really?! That would be crazy, why are they doing that? Do you have a link for more information on this?
I was having a meeting with the station manager, Stephen Curry, with regards to the car park and he was saying that they are revamping the car park in January (weather permitting) with new white lines to stop some of the pathetic parking, but it is only a temporary measure at Network Rail are taking back the land sometime after April (he wasn't quite sue of the date and possible due to the ongoing electrification works) but basically Network Rail are wanting the land to store goods and equipment required for the electrification works and then they are re-instating Platform 5 as a through platform (opens from about the end of 2015).

To be fair the Manager wasn't happy as he and his Northern Rail bosses (as they rent the station from Network Rail) were wanting to completely and extend the car park and make it all tarmacked for the increasing number of customers - and this will no longer happen as passengers are not allowed to cross the tracks at a main station and when the platform is re-opened it would take so much space away from the car it makes it unviable to continue.
Sounds like a quite sensible idea but there is one major flaw - where would it go as the trains these days are not separate coaches but are linked and as such all wired up as well, you can't put it at the back of the train as the back does become the front on return journeys!
I'm so cross about this. So the station 'car park' behind platform 4 is being taken away which I park on to leave on the 7.08 / 7.12 these days, it's also virtually full at this time too. Neither will we have the option soon to pay on Johnson street / railway triangle car park as it will be demolished- where are we supposed to park.??? I've made this point before but last time I had to rely on the bus I nearly got sacked for constant lateness, also there's virtually no buses at 6.30 am when I need to leave.
Exactly!

This now comes into the general dfirection of teh TfGM who are trying to reduce number of cars on teh road during peak - their job is no to sort out the buses to meet the trains - but the team who looks after Bolton, I have found out, none live in Bolton and none know how Bolton operates and basically they don't care what happens!!!! They seem to enjoy putting buses on when they are not required especiallu during the daytime but rush hours there is nothing for the commuters. That is something that the TfL does excel at, and something that the TfGM needs ro remedy asap before this mess starts hitting the fan!!!
[quote][p][bold]Frogger123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkAllRead[/bold] wrote: BWFC71: "Network Rail are closing Bolton Station car-park from just after Easter next year (for good)" Really?! That would be crazy, why are they doing that? Do you have a link for more information on this?[/p][/quote]I was having a meeting with the station manager, Stephen Curry, with regards to the car park and he was saying that they are revamping the car park in January (weather permitting) with new white lines to stop some of the pathetic parking, but it is only a temporary measure at Network Rail are taking back the land sometime after April (he wasn't quite sue of the date and possible due to the ongoing electrification works) but basically Network Rail are wanting the land to store goods and equipment required for the electrification works and then they are re-instating Platform 5 as a through platform (opens from about the end of 2015). To be fair the Manager wasn't happy as he and his Northern Rail bosses (as they rent the station from Network Rail) were wanting to completely and extend the car park and make it all tarmacked for the increasing number of customers - and this will no longer happen as passengers are not allowed to cross the tracks at a main station and when the platform is re-opened it would take so much space away from the car it makes it unviable to continue.[/p][/quote]Sounds like a quite sensible idea but there is one major flaw - where would it go as the trains these days are not separate coaches but are linked and as such all wired up as well, you can't put it at the back of the train as the back does become the front on return journeys![/p][/quote]I'm so cross about this. So the station 'car park' behind platform 4 is being taken away which I park on to leave on the 7.08 / 7.12 these days, it's also virtually full at this time too. Neither will we have the option soon to pay on Johnson street / railway triangle car park as it will be demolished- where are we supposed to park.??? I've made this point before but last time I had to rely on the bus I nearly got sacked for constant lateness, also there's virtually no buses at 6.30 am when I need to leave.[/p][/quote]Exactly! This now comes into the general dfirection of teh TfGM who are trying to reduce number of cars on teh road during peak - their job is no to sort out the buses to meet the trains - but the team who looks after Bolton, I have found out, none live in Bolton and none know how Bolton operates and basically they don't care what happens!!!! They seem to enjoy putting buses on when they are not required especiallu during the daytime but rush hours there is nothing for the commuters. That is something that the TfL does excel at, and something that the TfGM needs ro remedy asap before this mess starts hitting the fan!!! The Righteous One

12:10pm Mon 30 Dec 13

soup153 says...

New Year two extra trains for Bolton, will keep the MP happy. Look what I have done not knowing the trains where dropped a little while ago. That's the kind of report they give and get.
New Year two extra trains for Bolton, will keep the MP happy. Look what I have done not knowing the trains where dropped a little while ago. That's the kind of report they give and get. soup153

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