Bicycle plan in storage far too long

The Bolton News: Dale Haslam Dale Haslam

BOLTON News reporter DALE HASLAM uses the train to commute to and from work. Here is his weekly blog about life on Bolton’s trains.

TRANSPORT bosses seem very keen on getting us out of our cars and onto our bikes when travelling to and from the train station.

But cyclists and other passengers often do not like squeezing bikes onto packed trains, so the obvious solution is to let people store them at the station.

At present, riders have to cram their (often very expensive) bikes into lockers or take their chances chaining them to a post on the platform, though a new development in Bolton will solve all that.

Once the tumbleweed has blown away, that is.

At the cost of several thousand pounds, engineers spent two weeks in October building two cycling hubs at Bolton Station and finished the work impressively quickly.

The only problem is they have still not yet opened and a sign on the platform says the launch will be “in early 2014”.

The hub on platform 3 holds about 50 bikes and the one on platform 4 holds about 30 bikes and they were put up in a joint partnership between Northern Rail, which owns the station, and Transport for Greater Manchester, which runs the county’s transport network.

Northern Rail has said the delay is down to bosses sorting out red tape issues, such as sending out membership packs and ensuring station staff can effectively monitor the hubs, but once they are open for business, they will be a great new addition to the station.

I hope this is the case, especially considering the generous membership fee of £10 a year.

More people cycling is bound to have a knock-on effect over the long-term as healthier people need NHS services less, and I applaud Northern Rail and TfGM for doing something positive.

I just wish they would get on with it.

l THE Bolton News has launched the Let’s Get Back On Track campaign. We are calling for peak time services to be restored while electrification work is being carried out. Hundreds of people have already signed our petition and Prime Minister, on a visit to The Bolton News, has said he will look at the issue. Bolton North East MP David Crausby is also calling on the Department of Transport to intervene.

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12:18pm Mon 23 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

The Hub on Platform 3 holds about 200 bikes, whilst the hub on Plaform 4 holdas about 150 - they are double-decker bikes parks (very akin to those at Amsterdam Centraal, Weesp and Almere stations in The Netherlands)
The Hub on Platform 3 holds about 200 bikes, whilst the hub on Plaform 4 holdas about 150 - they are double-decker bikes parks (very akin to those at Amsterdam Centraal, Weesp and Almere stations in The Netherlands) The Righteous One

1:11am Tue 24 Dec 13

bernie boy says...

The Righteous One wrote:
The Hub on Platform 3 holds about 200 bikes, whilst the hub on Plaform 4 holdas about 150 - they are double-decker bikes parks (very akin to those at Amsterdam Centraal, Weesp and Almere stations in The Netherlands)
If you're right about the number of bicycles that each hub holds, where did Dale get his figures from?
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: The Hub on Platform 3 holds about 200 bikes, whilst the hub on Plaform 4 holdas about 150 - they are double-decker bikes parks (very akin to those at Amsterdam Centraal, Weesp and Almere stations in The Netherlands)[/p][/quote]If you're right about the number of bicycles that each hub holds, where did Dale get his figures from? bernie boy

6:52am Tue 24 Dec 13

nototescooranyothersupermarket says...

Northern Rail should sort out the over crowding on trains first before spending thousands on bike storage. Peak time especially at Christmas packed trains standing room only surely the comfort and safety of paying passengers should be a priority?
Northern Rail should sort out the over crowding on trains first before spending thousands on bike storage. Peak time especially at Christmas packed trains standing room only surely the comfort and safety of paying passengers should be a priority? nototescooranyothersupermarket

8:24am Tue 24 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

nototescooranyothers
upermarket
wrote:
Northern Rail should sort out the over crowding on trains first before spending thousands on bike storage. Peak time especially at Christmas packed trains standing room only surely the comfort and safety of paying passengers should be a priority?
How can they sort out the overcrowding when it is the DfT that gives them the coaches.

Northern Rail are NOT ALLOWED to buy or rent any carriages without the express approval of the DfT. That is part and parcel of teh franchise contract!!!

Can you tell me where they can get the extra trains from when there are NO spare diesel units in the UK!!!

If they buy it will take at least 3 years to enter public service as the order has to be taken, then built, the tested then driver trraining!!!

THIS IS THE FAULT OF THE DfT AND THE CURRENT AND PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT FOR DOING NOTHING PRO-ACTIVE TO SORT OF THE CHRONIC OVERCROWDING!


Meanwhile.....

Bike parks....

I had a proper count this morning and I was slightly out (by a couple of hundred)

Platform 4 can hold 54 bikes whilst platform 3 can hold 126 bikes.

Still more than what the reporter says!!!!
[quote][p][bold]nototescooranyothers upermarket[/bold] wrote: Northern Rail should sort out the over crowding on trains first before spending thousands on bike storage. Peak time especially at Christmas packed trains standing room only surely the comfort and safety of paying passengers should be a priority?[/p][/quote]How can they sort out the overcrowding when it is the DfT that gives them the coaches. Northern Rail are NOT ALLOWED to buy or rent any carriages without the express approval of the DfT. That is part and parcel of teh franchise contract!!! Can you tell me where they can get the extra trains from when there are NO spare diesel units in the UK!!! If they buy it will take at least 3 years to enter public service as the order has to be taken, then built, the tested then driver trraining!!! THIS IS THE FAULT OF THE DfT AND THE CURRENT AND PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT FOR DOING NOTHING PRO-ACTIVE TO SORT OF THE CHRONIC OVERCROWDING! Meanwhile..... Bike parks.... I had a proper count this morning and I was slightly out (by a couple of hundred) Platform 4 can hold 54 bikes whilst platform 3 can hold 126 bikes. Still more than what the reporter says!!!! The Righteous One

2:39pm Tue 24 Dec 13

JJKBolton says...

The Righteous One wrote:
nototescooranyothers

upermarket
wrote:
Northern Rail should sort out the over crowding on trains first before spending thousands on bike storage. Peak time especially at Christmas packed trains standing room only surely the comfort and safety of paying passengers should be a priority?
How can they sort out the overcrowding when it is the DfT that gives them the coaches.

Northern Rail are NOT ALLOWED to buy or rent any carriages without the express approval of the DfT. That is part and parcel of teh franchise contract!!!

Can you tell me where they can get the extra trains from when there are NO spare diesel units in the UK!!!

If they buy it will take at least 3 years to enter public service as the order has to be taken, then built, the tested then driver trraining!!!

THIS IS THE FAULT OF THE DfT AND THE CURRENT AND PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT FOR DOING NOTHING PRO-ACTIVE TO SORT OF THE CHRONIC OVERCROWDING!


Meanwhile.....

Bike parks....

I had a proper count this morning and I was slightly out (by a couple of hundred)

Platform 4 can hold 54 bikes whilst platform 3 can hold 126 bikes.

Still more than what the reporter says!!!!
If it takes 3 years to order and a build a simple push / pull diesel train, all I can say is thank god we aint building pyramids anymore, anyone would think trains and diesel engines were still waiting to be invented.

Do we really have to re-invent the wheel every time we need something doing?, has someone throw all the drawings out ?

don't tell me, a health and safety freak thought they were a fire risk. No honestly I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised, I've seen it deliberately done right across industry. Its the handy work of the short termist mentality of accountants who have run and ruined this country since the second world war.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nototescooranyothers upermarket[/bold] wrote: Northern Rail should sort out the over crowding on trains first before spending thousands on bike storage. Peak time especially at Christmas packed trains standing room only surely the comfort and safety of paying passengers should be a priority?[/p][/quote]How can they sort out the overcrowding when it is the DfT that gives them the coaches. Northern Rail are NOT ALLOWED to buy or rent any carriages without the express approval of the DfT. That is part and parcel of teh franchise contract!!! Can you tell me where they can get the extra trains from when there are NO spare diesel units in the UK!!! If they buy it will take at least 3 years to enter public service as the order has to be taken, then built, the tested then driver trraining!!! THIS IS THE FAULT OF THE DfT AND THE CURRENT AND PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT FOR DOING NOTHING PRO-ACTIVE TO SORT OF THE CHRONIC OVERCROWDING! Meanwhile..... Bike parks.... I had a proper count this morning and I was slightly out (by a couple of hundred) Platform 4 can hold 54 bikes whilst platform 3 can hold 126 bikes. Still more than what the reporter says!!!![/p][/quote]If it takes 3 years to order and a build a simple push / pull diesel train, all I can say is thank god we aint building pyramids anymore, anyone would think trains and diesel engines were still waiting to be invented. Do we really have to re-invent the wheel every time we need something doing?, has someone throw all the drawings out ? don't tell me, a health and safety freak thought they were a fire risk. No honestly I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised, I've seen it deliberately done right across industry. Its the handy work of the short termist mentality of accountants who have run and ruined this country since the second world war. JJKBolton

5:14pm Tue 24 Dec 13

timeforachange says...

Stupid place to put the 'bike sheds' if you ask me. You have to take your bike down the stairs to the platform then bring it back up the stairs (or in the lift) after! And you leave from one platform and come back on the other so will have to go over the bridge to get your bike (or leave it on your returning platform before you go). Did anyone think this through! Should have been built up stairs near the entrance when the new bus / rain terminal is completed.
Stupid place to put the 'bike sheds' if you ask me. You have to take your bike down the stairs to the platform then bring it back up the stairs (or in the lift) after! And you leave from one platform and come back on the other so will have to go over the bridge to get your bike (or leave it on your returning platform before you go). Did anyone think this through! Should have been built up stairs near the entrance when the new bus / rain terminal is completed. timeforachange

8:20am Fri 27 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

The new bus station is also getting a Bike-hub as well!!!!

The bus station is NOT a rail station - there will be a bridge connecting the two but they are separate buildings. Interchange is directly outside the ticket office whilst the new bus station will be a connected to the train station by a Birgde (hence cannot be called an Interchange). There will be the main entrance as now to the train station and then a bridge entrance from the bus station, which goes over the railway tracks.
The new bus station is also getting a Bike-hub as well!!!! The bus station is NOT a rail station - there will be a bridge connecting the two but they are separate buildings. Interchange is directly outside the ticket office whilst the new bus station will be a connected to the train station by a Birgde (hence cannot be called an Interchange). There will be the main entrance as now to the train station and then a bridge entrance from the bus station, which goes over the railway tracks. The Righteous One

8:26am Fri 27 Dec 13

The Righteous One says...

JJKBolton wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
nototescooranyothers


upermarket
wrote:
Northern Rail should sort out the over crowding on trains first before spending thousands on bike storage. Peak time especially at Christmas packed trains standing room only surely the comfort and safety of paying passengers should be a priority?
How can they sort out the overcrowding when it is the DfT that gives them the coaches.

Northern Rail are NOT ALLOWED to buy or rent any carriages without the express approval of the DfT. That is part and parcel of teh franchise contract!!!

Can you tell me where they can get the extra trains from when there are NO spare diesel units in the UK!!!

If they buy it will take at least 3 years to enter public service as the order has to be taken, then built, the tested then driver trraining!!!

THIS IS THE FAULT OF THE DfT AND THE CURRENT AND PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT FOR DOING NOTHING PRO-ACTIVE TO SORT OF THE CHRONIC OVERCROWDING!


Meanwhile.....

Bike parks....

I had a proper count this morning and I was slightly out (by a couple of hundred)

Platform 4 can hold 54 bikes whilst platform 3 can hold 126 bikes.

Still more than what the reporter says!!!!
If it takes 3 years to order and a build a simple push / pull diesel train, all I can say is thank god we aint building pyramids anymore, anyone would think trains and diesel engines were still waiting to be invented.

Do we really have to re-invent the wheel every time we need something doing?, has someone throw all the drawings out ?

don't tell me, a health and safety freak thought they were a fire risk. No honestly I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised, I've seen it deliberately done right across industry. Its the handy work of the short termist mentality of accountants who have run and ruined this country since the second world war.
It takes 3 years from placing the order - due to the fact only a limited number of companies now build railway rolling stock and they are based on the mainland of Europe, so they will have orders from other rail companies.

They have to be built and tested before shipping and then when over here make sure they can navigate or rail infrastructure and rail furniture and then make sure that all health and safety aspects are considered and that they are DDA compliant (as our rules are more stringent than the basic EU rule) and then there is the driver training and then after that route training. and lets not forget the fitting out of teh insides of the trains.

The actual building of the trains can take up to about a year - all dependent upon the customers requirements.

What would you rather have - the Fyra trains from Holland that are scrapped, as new, because of the major faults on them because they were built in a rush or a train unit that is safe and reliable and long term doesn't cost much to maintain?
[quote][p][bold]JJKBolton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nototescooranyothers upermarket[/bold] wrote: Northern Rail should sort out the over crowding on trains first before spending thousands on bike storage. Peak time especially at Christmas packed trains standing room only surely the comfort and safety of paying passengers should be a priority?[/p][/quote]How can they sort out the overcrowding when it is the DfT that gives them the coaches. Northern Rail are NOT ALLOWED to buy or rent any carriages without the express approval of the DfT. That is part and parcel of teh franchise contract!!! Can you tell me where they can get the extra trains from when there are NO spare diesel units in the UK!!! If they buy it will take at least 3 years to enter public service as the order has to be taken, then built, the tested then driver trraining!!! THIS IS THE FAULT OF THE DfT AND THE CURRENT AND PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT FOR DOING NOTHING PRO-ACTIVE TO SORT OF THE CHRONIC OVERCROWDING! Meanwhile..... Bike parks.... I had a proper count this morning and I was slightly out (by a couple of hundred) Platform 4 can hold 54 bikes whilst platform 3 can hold 126 bikes. Still more than what the reporter says!!!![/p][/quote]If it takes 3 years to order and a build a simple push / pull diesel train, all I can say is thank god we aint building pyramids anymore, anyone would think trains and diesel engines were still waiting to be invented. Do we really have to re-invent the wheel every time we need something doing?, has someone throw all the drawings out ? don't tell me, a health and safety freak thought they were a fire risk. No honestly I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised, I've seen it deliberately done right across industry. Its the handy work of the short termist mentality of accountants who have run and ruined this country since the second world war.[/p][/quote]It takes 3 years from placing the order - due to the fact only a limited number of companies now build railway rolling stock and they are based on the mainland of Europe, so they will have orders from other rail companies. They have to be built and tested before shipping and then when over here make sure they can navigate or rail infrastructure and rail furniture and then make sure that all health and safety aspects are considered and that they are DDA compliant (as our rules are more stringent than the basic EU rule) and then there is the driver training and then after that route training. and lets not forget the fitting out of teh insides of the trains. The actual building of the trains can take up to about a year - all dependent upon the customers requirements. What would you rather have - the Fyra trains from Holland that are scrapped, as new, because of the major faults on them because they were built in a rush or a train unit that is safe and reliable and long term doesn't cost much to maintain? The Righteous One

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