Rat-infested river bank owners accuse Bolton Council of trespassing

Fly-tippers have been using the site as a dump

Fly-tippers have been using the site as a dump

First published in Politics The Bolton News: Photograph of the Author by , reporter

THE owners of a rat-infested river bank besieged by fly-tippers have accused Bolton Council of trespassing on their land.

A long-running legal row between the council and 91-year-old Tom Taylor, whose Cardiff-based daughter Caroline Taylor, aged 60, owns the land, has stalled the clean-up operation.

The land, just off Croal Street, resembles a landfill site after mountains of putrid waste, bin bags, beer cans, old toys and furniture were dumped illegally.

Bolton Council is investigating the fly-tipping and hopes to make prosecutions — but insists Mr Taylor is responsible for clearing up the waste.

The council uses his land to access the underside of the bridge and installed a gate into a wall in Croal Street in 2005 — without informing Mr Taylor, who bought the land in 1982.

A spokesman for the council said it can use the land under section 291 of the Highways Act 1980, and that this use gives it no responsibility to clear up the waste.

Mr Taylor disputes this and claims the wording of the act — which gives councils the right to access land “on, over or under” their own property, which the bank technically is not — renders them guilty of trespass.

The council first wrote to Ms Taylor in July, 2010, and informed her of its use of the land in April 2011 .

Mr Taylor said: “Initially this was just about a bit of waste, not this rubbish that is there now.

“I want to know how many people the council has prosecuted for this.”

Despite the council’s involvement, the upkeep of the wall and the gate is the responsibility of Ms Taylor, and the family was given a key to the gate in 2012 — after they claim the council ignored several requests.

Mr Taylor said: “I don’t really understand even why that gate was necessary; that bridge has been there for about 50 years, so they must have been able to monitor its upkeep in that time.”

Both the council and Mr Taylor are confident with their legal position, making it possible that removing the build-up of waste will only be resolved in the courts.

Mr Taylor said: “I will not back down and my solicitors and I are confident that the council is guilty of trespass.

“If necessary, we will fight this through the courts.”

The council spokesman added: “Where items are flytipped on private land it is the responsibility of the land owner to clear up the waste.

"We do appreciate that this is frustrating for the people whose land it is on and we will always try to find the culprit wherever possible.

“We have met the land owner’s father and asked for arrangements to be made for removal of the waste.

"We always try to work with land owners to achieve a positive solution.

"However, if the owner doesn’t co-operate we will arrange removal and invoice them.”

Flytipping incidents can be reported to Bolton Council online or by calling 01204 336632.

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12:07pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Darrennz says...

If the council has in any way enabled access for this fly tipping then they should clean it up. Holy grit!
If the council has in any way enabled access for this fly tipping then they should clean it up. Holy grit! Darrennz
  • Score: -7

12:23pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Regulatory Man says...

Oh please....

Just wind your respective necks in and sort this mess out now for the sake of the local environment and people. All this he said she said, they did etc. nonsense is giving me a migraine.

You're supposedly all adults not tit for tat playground children so start acting like grown ups.

In fact kids would have fixed it by now.

Grow UP.
Oh please.... Just wind your respective necks in and sort this mess out now for the sake of the local environment and people. All this he said she said, they did etc. nonsense is giving me a migraine. You're supposedly all adults not tit for tat playground children so start acting like grown ups. In fact kids would have fixed it by now. Grow UP. Regulatory Man
  • Score: 17

12:29pm Fri 14 Mar 14

duggie67 says...

they haven't!! the rubbish has been frown over a wall by local residents they believe.
they actually put the gate up to stop illegal access by vehicles.
But this landowner is clearly a complete idiot, he want to sue the council for clearing the rubbish but does nothing to clear it himself!!
Clear the rubbish Bolton B.C. and send this idiot the bill.
they haven't!! the rubbish has been frown over a wall by local residents they believe. they actually put the gate up to stop illegal access by vehicles. But this landowner is clearly a complete idiot, he want to sue the council for clearing the rubbish but does nothing to clear it himself!! Clear the rubbish Bolton B.C. and send this idiot the bill. duggie67
  • Score: 17

1:09pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Hough64 says...

duggie67 wrote:
they haven't!! the rubbish has been frown over a wall by local residents they believe. they actually put the gate up to stop illegal access by vehicles. But this landowner is clearly a complete idiot, he want to sue the council for clearing the rubbish but does nothing to clear it himself!! Clear the rubbish Bolton B.C. and send this idiot the bill.
"frown over a wall"????? You seriously need to get some education you thick idiot!!!
[quote][p][bold]duggie67[/bold] wrote: they haven't!! the rubbish has been frown over a wall by local residents they believe. they actually put the gate up to stop illegal access by vehicles. But this landowner is clearly a complete idiot, he want to sue the council for clearing the rubbish but does nothing to clear it himself!! Clear the rubbish Bolton B.C. and send this idiot the bill.[/p][/quote]"frown over a wall"????? You seriously need to get some education you thick idiot!!! Hough64
  • Score: -13

1:21pm Fri 14 Mar 14

DC Ferret says...

Hough64 wrote:
duggie67 wrote: they haven't!! the rubbish has been frown over a wall by local residents they believe. they actually put the gate up to stop illegal access by vehicles. But this landowner is clearly a complete idiot, he want to sue the council for clearing the rubbish but does nothing to clear it himself!! Clear the rubbish Bolton B.C. and send this idiot the bill.
"frown over a wall"????? You seriously need to get some education you thick idiot!!!
Thick idiot? A totally redundant tautology! Glass houses matey
[quote][p][bold]Hough64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]duggie67[/bold] wrote: they haven't!! the rubbish has been frown over a wall by local residents they believe. they actually put the gate up to stop illegal access by vehicles. But this landowner is clearly a complete idiot, he want to sue the council for clearing the rubbish but does nothing to clear it himself!! Clear the rubbish Bolton B.C. and send this idiot the bill.[/p][/quote]"frown over a wall"????? You seriously need to get some education you thick idiot!!![/p][/quote]Thick idiot? A totally redundant tautology! Glass houses matey DC Ferret
  • Score: 12

1:32pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Hough64 says...

DC Ferret wrote:
Hough64 wrote:
duggie67 wrote: they haven't!! the rubbish has been frown over a wall by local residents they believe. they actually put the gate up to stop illegal access by vehicles. But this landowner is clearly a complete idiot, he want to sue the council for clearing the rubbish but does nothing to clear it himself!! Clear the rubbish Bolton B.C. and send this idiot the bill.
"frown over a wall"????? You seriously need to get some education you thick idiot!!!
Thick idiot? A totally redundant tautology! Glass houses matey
So frown over a wall is acceptable to you is it?
[quote][p][bold]DC Ferret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hough64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]duggie67[/bold] wrote: they haven't!! the rubbish has been frown over a wall by local residents they believe. they actually put the gate up to stop illegal access by vehicles. But this landowner is clearly a complete idiot, he want to sue the council for clearing the rubbish but does nothing to clear it himself!! Clear the rubbish Bolton B.C. and send this idiot the bill.[/p][/quote]"frown over a wall"????? You seriously need to get some education you thick idiot!!![/p][/quote]Thick idiot? A totally redundant tautology! Glass houses matey[/p][/quote]So frown over a wall is acceptable to you is it? Hough64
  • Score: -12

1:35pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Garys987 says...

If anyone can supply me with Mr or Ms Taylor's addresses I will happily take a load of this rubbish by lorry and leave it on their drives.....
If anyone can supply me with Mr or Ms Taylor's addresses I will happily take a load of this rubbish by lorry and leave it on their drives..... Garys987
  • Score: 13

1:36pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Changing times says...

If the owners are responsible for clearing this eyesore make them get on with it. This guy is obviously trying to find any excuse not to foot the bill.

Hough64 ........ what a muppet you are.
If the owners are responsible for clearing this eyesore make them get on with it. This guy is obviously trying to find any excuse not to foot the bill. Hough64 ........ what a muppet you are. Changing times
  • Score: 15

4:34pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Hough64 says...

Changing times wrote:
If the owners are responsible for clearing this eyesore make them get on with it. This guy is obviously trying to find any excuse not to foot the bill. Hough64 ........ what a muppet you are.
What a pleb you are. You must think being unable to spell is ok.
[quote][p][bold]Changing times[/bold] wrote: If the owners are responsible for clearing this eyesore make them get on with it. This guy is obviously trying to find any excuse not to foot the bill. Hough64 ........ what a muppet you are.[/p][/quote]What a pleb you are. You must think being unable to spell is ok. Hough64
  • Score: -7

6:49pm Fri 14 Mar 14

muffinnotbarm says...

Hough64 wrote:
Changing times wrote:
If the owners are responsible for clearing this eyesore make them get on with it. This guy is obviously trying to find any excuse not to foot the bill. Hough64 ........ what a muppet you are.
What a pleb you are. You must think being unable to spell is ok.
Well they didn't actually misspell anything, just used the wrong word. Frown is a word. Isn't a pleb just a derogatory term for an working class person. I think you used the wrong word for the point you were trying to make. Seriously though - I know a lot of decent hard working people who can't spell. Yes it's a shame but do you have to point it out? The only reason I can think that you would feel the need to is because you somehow think you're better than them. You may be for all I care. Well done you.
[quote][p][bold]Hough64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Changing times[/bold] wrote: If the owners are responsible for clearing this eyesore make them get on with it. This guy is obviously trying to find any excuse not to foot the bill. Hough64 ........ what a muppet you are.[/p][/quote]What a pleb you are. You must think being unable to spell is ok.[/p][/quote]Well they didn't actually misspell anything, just used the wrong word. Frown is a word. Isn't a pleb just a derogatory term for an working class person. I think you used the wrong word for the point you were trying to make. Seriously though - I know a lot of decent hard working people who can't spell. Yes it's a shame but do you have to point it out? The only reason I can think that you would feel the need to is because you somehow think you're better than them. You may be for all I care. Well done you. muffinnotbarm
  • Score: 8

7:29pm Fri 14 Mar 14

lv8151 says...

muffinnotbarm wrote:
Hough64 wrote:
Changing times wrote:
If the owners are responsible for clearing this eyesore make them get on with it. This guy is obviously trying to find any excuse not to foot the bill. Hough64 ........ what a muppet you are.
What a pleb you are. You must think being unable to spell is ok.
Well they didn't actually misspell anything, just used the wrong word. Frown is a word. Isn't a pleb just a derogatory term for an working class person. I think you used the wrong word for the point you were trying to make. Seriously though - I know a lot of decent hard working people who can't spell. Yes it's a shame but do you have to point it out? The only reason I can think that you would feel the need to is because you somehow think you're better than them. You may be for all I care. Well done you.
maybe hough64 has got GPS ..... “Grammar Pedantry Syndrome” is a form of OCD in which sufferers need to correct every grammatical error.
[quote][p][bold]muffinnotbarm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hough64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Changing times[/bold] wrote: If the owners are responsible for clearing this eyesore make them get on with it. This guy is obviously trying to find any excuse not to foot the bill. Hough64 ........ what a muppet you are.[/p][/quote]What a pleb you are. You must think being unable to spell is ok.[/p][/quote]Well they didn't actually misspell anything, just used the wrong word. Frown is a word. Isn't a pleb just a derogatory term for an working class person. I think you used the wrong word for the point you were trying to make. Seriously though - I know a lot of decent hard working people who can't spell. Yes it's a shame but do you have to point it out? The only reason I can think that you would feel the need to is because you somehow think you're better than them. You may be for all I care. Well done you.[/p][/quote]maybe hough64 has got GPS ..... “Grammar Pedantry Syndrome” is a form of OCD in which sufferers need to correct every grammatical error. lv8151
  • Score: 7

7:48pm Fri 14 Mar 14

myfanwy7 says...

Great stuff everyone - let's just ignore the issue and insult one another instead. Got to love the internet and its contribution to public discourse....
Great stuff everyone - let's just ignore the issue and insult one another instead. Got to love the internet and its contribution to public discourse.... myfanwy7
  • Score: 11

9:59pm Fri 14 Mar 14

biglad44 says...

lv8151 wrote:
muffinnotbarm wrote:
Hough64 wrote:
Changing times wrote:
If the owners are responsible for clearing this eyesore make them get on with it. This guy is obviously trying to find any excuse not to foot the bill. Hough64 ........ what a muppet you are.
What a pleb you are. You must think being unable to spell is ok.
Well they didn't actually misspell anything, just used the wrong word. Frown is a word. Isn't a pleb just a derogatory term for an working class person. I think you used the wrong word for the point you were trying to make. Seriously though - I know a lot of decent hard working people who can't spell. Yes it's a shame but do you have to point it out? The only reason I can think that you would feel the need to is because you somehow think you're better than them. You may be for all I care. Well done you.
maybe hough64 has got GPS ..... “Grammar Pedantry Syndrome” is a form of OCD in which sufferers need to correct every grammatical error.
Handbags girls handbags.
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muffinnotbarm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hough64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Changing times[/bold] wrote: If the owners are responsible for clearing this eyesore make them get on with it. This guy is obviously trying to find any excuse not to foot the bill. Hough64 ........ what a muppet you are.[/p][/quote]What a pleb you are. You must think being unable to spell is ok.[/p][/quote]Well they didn't actually misspell anything, just used the wrong word. Frown is a word. Isn't a pleb just a derogatory term for an working class person. I think you used the wrong word for the point you were trying to make. Seriously though - I know a lot of decent hard working people who can't spell. Yes it's a shame but do you have to point it out? The only reason I can think that you would feel the need to is because you somehow think you're better than them. You may be for all I care. Well done you.[/p][/quote]maybe hough64 has got GPS ..... “Grammar Pedantry Syndrome” is a form of OCD in which sufferers need to correct every grammatical error.[/p][/quote]Handbags girls handbags. biglad44
  • Score: 3

10:48pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Rememberscarborough says...

We can all blame the council and the Taylors but what about the scumbags who throw the rubbish away who seem to be seen as totally blameless? The punishments for "fly-tipping" are totally ineffectual and it's time they were made to fit the crime with extremely large penalties (10x clean up cost?) being imposed for those caught.
We can all blame the council and the Taylors but what about the scumbags who throw the rubbish away who seem to be seen as totally blameless? The punishments for "fly-tipping" are totally ineffectual and it's time they were made to fit the crime with extremely large penalties (10x clean up cost?) being imposed for those caught. Rememberscarborough
  • Score: 11

5:23pm Sat 15 Mar 14

SleepingThunder says...

This just makes my blood boil Council want to move the rubbish but Mr Taylor wants to charge them for access to the land.
Would it not be in Mr Taylors & every bodys interest just to let them gain access & let them move the rubbish;hold your head in shame Mr Taylor you are a disgrace.
This just makes my blood boil Council want to move the rubbish but Mr Taylor wants to charge them for access to the land. Would it not be in Mr Taylors & every bodys interest just to let them gain access & let them move the rubbish;hold your head in shame Mr Taylor you are a disgrace. SleepingThunder
  • Score: 1

5:44pm Sat 15 Mar 14

akaroa44 says...

Build a bridge . Get over it.
Build a bridge . Get over it. akaroa44
  • Score: 2

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