Jobless to ‘lose out’ in benefit changes

The Bolton News: Jobless to ‘lose out’ in benefit changes Jobless to ‘lose out’ in benefit changes

NEW “ridiculous rules” which mean jobseekers could lose out on benefits have been slammed by a Bolton MP.

Julie Hilling, MP for Bolton West, said the government creating hurdles for jobseekers by making them create a CV and register their details online.

Her comments came as employment minister Esther McVey announced more changes for people receiving Jobseekers Allowance (JSA) in a bid to end the “signing-on culture”.

From April 28, jobseekers must prepare for their interview at the job centre by preparing a CV, registering on the government’s jobs website site and have an email address.

Benefit sanctions could also be applied if people are deemed not to be doing enough to make themselves more attractive to employers before claiming benefits.

Ms Hilling said the government should stop blaming unemployed people.

She added: “I am sick and tired of this continuous attack on people who are unfortunate enough to find themselves unemployed — and and we should not forget that there are two and a half million of them at the moment.

“Of course people should do everything possible to get a job, but setting hurdles before they can even sign on for money to feed themselves and their family is ridiculous and continues the government’s disgraceful attempt to demonise claimants as scroungers.

“There are very few people who are content to remain on Jobseekers Allowance and indeed, as the average length of time people spend on JSA is 13 weeks, this month the two and a half million people are not the same two and a half million people who were unemployed last month.

“Until we have enough jobs we should not blame people for being unemployed.”

Ms McVey said the changes had been put in place so that people could “hit the ground running” when they apply for a job.

She said: “This is about treating people like adults and setting out clearly what is expected of them.

“In return, we will give people as much help and support as possible to move off benefits and into work because we know from employers that it’s the people who are prepared and enthusiastic who are most likely to get the job.”

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10:01am Fri 11 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

STOP letting thousands of immigrants in and there would be more jobs, simples.
STOP letting thousands of immigrants in and there would be more jobs, simples. Jim271
  • Score: 56

10:06am Fri 11 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

To be fair I think they should register on the DWP jobsearch engine, with the CV and should be checking it everyday.

unfortunately for a couple of months I was made unemployed whilst I was living in The Netherlands, thanks to movement of work from my office to another country! But I registered as unemployed, although the benefits are superior than here in the UK, but some of the sanctions were I had to register online to the Governments jobsearch engine, register online to get the benefits, register online to receive monthly statements and end of year statement - to help with the tax-returns, apply for a minimum of 5 jobs a week and be free to attend interviews and courses at only 8 hours notice - or have a valid reason as to why not able to attend!!!!

So why shouldn't these rules apply in the UK, as they work, and work fantastically, in The Netherlands where the level of unemployment is actually lower than here (percentage wise)!!

Oh yes and the benefits in the Dutch system:-
Depending upon length of time in a job you get 70% of you last wage each month (e.g if you earned €2000/month you get €1400) which is taxed - whilst a jobseeker is getting this they cannot receive any other benefits, except for hep with paying for rent/mortgage and then it is only a percentage and not the full amount!
Once that is finished you then get the minimum wage which is approximately €8.53/hour (£7.32/hour) compared to €7.61 (£6.53/hour) here in the UK and not the pathetic £72.40/week!!!! Plus they are then open to other benefits - including full help with rent/mortgage and health insurance!
Benefits are taxed but are then reclaimed back through the tax-returns which everyone has to complete.
Jobless are also treated the same as workers and receive Vakantiegeld (Holiday Money) which is 8% of their income to be used for a 2 week holiday (which is allowed under their rules as jobseekers are allowed 20 days holiday without having to sign-off and then sign back on again like here in the UK)
To be fair I think they should register on the DWP jobsearch engine, with the CV and should be checking it everyday. unfortunately for a couple of months I was made unemployed whilst I was living in The Netherlands, thanks to movement of work from my office to another country! But I registered as unemployed, although the benefits are superior than here in the UK, but some of the sanctions were I had to register online to the Governments jobsearch engine, register online to get the benefits, register online to receive monthly statements and end of year statement - to help with the tax-returns, apply for a minimum of 5 jobs a week and be free to attend interviews and courses at only 8 hours notice - or have a valid reason as to why not able to attend!!!! So why shouldn't these rules apply in the UK, as they work, and work fantastically, in The Netherlands where the level of unemployment is actually lower than here (percentage wise)!! Oh yes and the benefits in the Dutch system:- Depending upon length of time in a job you get 70% of you last wage each month (e.g if you earned €2000/month you get €1400) which is taxed - whilst a jobseeker is getting this they cannot receive any other benefits, except for hep with paying for rent/mortgage and then it is only a percentage and not the full amount! Once that is finished you then get the minimum wage which is approximately €8.53/hour (£7.32/hour) compared to €7.61 (£6.53/hour) here in the UK and not the pathetic £72.40/week!!!! Plus they are then open to other benefits - including full help with rent/mortgage and health insurance! Benefits are taxed but are then reclaimed back through the tax-returns which everyone has to complete. Jobless are also treated the same as workers and receive Vakantiegeld (Holiday Money) which is 8% of their income to be used for a 2 week holiday (which is allowed under their rules as jobseekers are allowed 20 days holiday without having to sign-off and then sign back on again like here in the UK) The Righteous One
  • Score: -21

10:08am Fri 11 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Jim271 wrote:
STOP letting thousands of immigrants in and there would be more jobs, simples.
mistake by me in saying "8 hours notice" which is meant to read "48 hours notice"!
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: STOP letting thousands of immigrants in and there would be more jobs, simples.[/p][/quote]mistake by me in saying "8 hours notice" which is meant to read "48 hours notice"! The Righteous One
  • Score: -20

10:18am Fri 11 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
To be fair I think they should register on the DWP jobsearch engine, with the CV and should be checking it everyday.

unfortunately for a couple of months I was made unemployed whilst I was living in The Netherlands, thanks to movement of work from my office to another country! But I registered as unemployed, although the benefits are superior than here in the UK, but some of the sanctions were I had to register online to the Governments jobsearch engine, register online to get the benefits, register online to receive monthly statements and end of year statement - to help with the tax-returns, apply for a minimum of 5 jobs a week and be free to attend interviews and courses at only 8 hours notice - or have a valid reason as to why not able to attend!!!!

So why shouldn't these rules apply in the UK, as they work, and work fantastically, in The Netherlands where the level of unemployment is actually lower than here (percentage wise)!!

Oh yes and the benefits in the Dutch system:-
Depending upon length of time in a job you get 70% of you last wage each month (e.g if you earned €2000/month you get €1400) which is taxed - whilst a jobseeker is getting this they cannot receive any other benefits, except for hep with paying for rent/mortgage and then it is only a percentage and not the full amount!
Once that is finished you then get the minimum wage which is approximately €8.53/hour (£7.32/hour) compared to €7.61 (£6.53/hour) here in the UK and not the pathetic £72.40/week!!!! Plus they are then open to other benefits - including full help with rent/mortgage and health insurance!
Benefits are taxed but are then reclaimed back through the tax-returns which everyone has to complete.
Jobless are also treated the same as workers and receive Vakantiegeld (Holiday Money) which is 8% of their income to be used for a 2 week holiday (which is allowed under their rules as jobseekers are allowed 20 days holiday without having to sign-off and then sign back on again like here in the UK)
Are the jobs on the Dutch job site as corrupt as ours is with non jobs...
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: To be fair I think they should register on the DWP jobsearch engine, with the CV and should be checking it everyday. unfortunately for a couple of months I was made unemployed whilst I was living in The Netherlands, thanks to movement of work from my office to another country! But I registered as unemployed, although the benefits are superior than here in the UK, but some of the sanctions were I had to register online to the Governments jobsearch engine, register online to get the benefits, register online to receive monthly statements and end of year statement - to help with the tax-returns, apply for a minimum of 5 jobs a week and be free to attend interviews and courses at only 8 hours notice - or have a valid reason as to why not able to attend!!!! So why shouldn't these rules apply in the UK, as they work, and work fantastically, in The Netherlands where the level of unemployment is actually lower than here (percentage wise)!! Oh yes and the benefits in the Dutch system:- Depending upon length of time in a job you get 70% of you last wage each month (e.g if you earned €2000/month you get €1400) which is taxed - whilst a jobseeker is getting this they cannot receive any other benefits, except for hep with paying for rent/mortgage and then it is only a percentage and not the full amount! Once that is finished you then get the minimum wage which is approximately €8.53/hour (£7.32/hour) compared to €7.61 (£6.53/hour) here in the UK and not the pathetic £72.40/week!!!! Plus they are then open to other benefits - including full help with rent/mortgage and health insurance! Benefits are taxed but are then reclaimed back through the tax-returns which everyone has to complete. Jobless are also treated the same as workers and receive Vakantiegeld (Holiday Money) which is 8% of their income to be used for a 2 week holiday (which is allowed under their rules as jobseekers are allowed 20 days holiday without having to sign-off and then sign back on again like here in the UK)[/p][/quote]Are the jobs on the Dutch job site as corrupt as ours is with non jobs... thomas222
  • Score: 13

10:27am Fri 11 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
To be fair I think they should register on the DWP jobsearch engine, with the CV and should be checking it everyday.

unfortunately for a couple of months I was made unemployed whilst I was living in The Netherlands, thanks to movement of work from my office to another country! But I registered as unemployed, although the benefits are superior than here in the UK, but some of the sanctions were I had to register online to the Governments jobsearch engine, register online to get the benefits, register online to receive monthly statements and end of year statement - to help with the tax-returns, apply for a minimum of 5 jobs a week and be free to attend interviews and courses at only 8 hours notice - or have a valid reason as to why not able to attend!!!!

So why shouldn't these rules apply in the UK, as they work, and work fantastically, in The Netherlands where the level of unemployment is actually lower than here (percentage wise)!!

Oh yes and the benefits in the Dutch system:-
Depending upon length of time in a job you get 70% of you last wage each month (e.g if you earned €2000/month you get €1400) which is taxed - whilst a jobseeker is getting this they cannot receive any other benefits, except for hep with paying for rent/mortgage and then it is only a percentage and not the full amount!
Once that is finished you then get the minimum wage which is approximately €8.53/hour (£7.32/hour) compared to €7.61 (£6.53/hour) here in the UK and not the pathetic £72.40/week!!!! Plus they are then open to other benefits - including full help with rent/mortgage and health insurance!
Benefits are taxed but are then reclaimed back through the tax-returns which everyone has to complete.
Jobless are also treated the same as workers and receive Vakantiegeld (Holiday Money) which is 8% of their income to be used for a 2 week holiday (which is allowed under their rules as jobseekers are allowed 20 days holiday without having to sign-off and then sign back on again like here in the UK)
Are the jobs on the Dutch job site as corrupt as ours is with non jobs...
Are they non-jobs or are you just not applying.

I know the company I work for advertises on the DWP jobsearch board and have found numerous staff from it - also with having to uplink jobs to the board I know they also take jobs from other job boards such as Reed, Monster Page Personnel and they are definitely not non-jobs!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: To be fair I think they should register on the DWP jobsearch engine, with the CV and should be checking it everyday. unfortunately for a couple of months I was made unemployed whilst I was living in The Netherlands, thanks to movement of work from my office to another country! But I registered as unemployed, although the benefits are superior than here in the UK, but some of the sanctions were I had to register online to the Governments jobsearch engine, register online to get the benefits, register online to receive monthly statements and end of year statement - to help with the tax-returns, apply for a minimum of 5 jobs a week and be free to attend interviews and courses at only 8 hours notice - or have a valid reason as to why not able to attend!!!! So why shouldn't these rules apply in the UK, as they work, and work fantastically, in The Netherlands where the level of unemployment is actually lower than here (percentage wise)!! Oh yes and the benefits in the Dutch system:- Depending upon length of time in a job you get 70% of you last wage each month (e.g if you earned €2000/month you get €1400) which is taxed - whilst a jobseeker is getting this they cannot receive any other benefits, except for hep with paying for rent/mortgage and then it is only a percentage and not the full amount! Once that is finished you then get the minimum wage which is approximately €8.53/hour (£7.32/hour) compared to €7.61 (£6.53/hour) here in the UK and not the pathetic £72.40/week!!!! Plus they are then open to other benefits - including full help with rent/mortgage and health insurance! Benefits are taxed but are then reclaimed back through the tax-returns which everyone has to complete. Jobless are also treated the same as workers and receive Vakantiegeld (Holiday Money) which is 8% of their income to be used for a 2 week holiday (which is allowed under their rules as jobseekers are allowed 20 days holiday without having to sign-off and then sign back on again like here in the UK)[/p][/quote]Are the jobs on the Dutch job site as corrupt as ours is with non jobs...[/p][/quote]Are they non-jobs or are you just not applying. I know the company I work for advertises on the DWP jobsearch board and have found numerous staff from it - also with having to uplink jobs to the board I know they also take jobs from other job boards such as Reed, Monster Page Personnel and they are definitely not non-jobs!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -31

10:32am Fri 11 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
To be fair I think they should register on the DWP jobsearch engine, with the CV and should be checking it everyday.

unfortunately for a couple of months I was made unemployed whilst I was living in The Netherlands, thanks to movement of work from my office to another country! But I registered as unemployed, although the benefits are superior than here in the UK, but some of the sanctions were I had to register online to the Governments jobsearch engine, register online to get the benefits, register online to receive monthly statements and end of year statement - to help with the tax-returns, apply for a minimum of 5 jobs a week and be free to attend interviews and courses at only 8 hours notice - or have a valid reason as to why not able to attend!!!!

So why shouldn't these rules apply in the UK, as they work, and work fantastically, in The Netherlands where the level of unemployment is actually lower than here (percentage wise)!!

Oh yes and the benefits in the Dutch system:-
Depending upon length of time in a job you get 70% of you last wage each month (e.g if you earned €2000/month you get €1400) which is taxed - whilst a jobseeker is getting this they cannot receive any other benefits, except for hep with paying for rent/mortgage and then it is only a percentage and not the full amount!
Once that is finished you then get the minimum wage which is approximately €8.53/hour (£7.32/hour) compared to €7.61 (£6.53/hour) here in the UK and not the pathetic £72.40/week!!!! Plus they are then open to other benefits - including full help with rent/mortgage and health insurance!
Benefits are taxed but are then reclaimed back through the tax-returns which everyone has to complete.
Jobless are also treated the same as workers and receive Vakantiegeld (Holiday Money) which is 8% of their income to be used for a 2 week holiday (which is allowed under their rules as jobseekers are allowed 20 days holiday without having to sign-off and then sign back on again like here in the UK)
Are the jobs on the Dutch job site as corrupt as ours is with non jobs...
Are they non-jobs or are you just not applying.

I know the company I work for advertises on the DWP jobsearch board and have found numerous staff from it - also with having to uplink jobs to the board I know they also take jobs from other job boards such as Reed, Monster Page Personnel and they are definitely not non-jobs!!!!
Did you not know the dwp are looking at MPs claims that fraud & jobs advertised are false... they have found thousands so far & many cases where there is one job advertised in many locations.....
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: To be fair I think they should register on the DWP jobsearch engine, with the CV and should be checking it everyday. unfortunately for a couple of months I was made unemployed whilst I was living in The Netherlands, thanks to movement of work from my office to another country! But I registered as unemployed, although the benefits are superior than here in the UK, but some of the sanctions were I had to register online to the Governments jobsearch engine, register online to get the benefits, register online to receive monthly statements and end of year statement - to help with the tax-returns, apply for a minimum of 5 jobs a week and be free to attend interviews and courses at only 8 hours notice - or have a valid reason as to why not able to attend!!!! So why shouldn't these rules apply in the UK, as they work, and work fantastically, in The Netherlands where the level of unemployment is actually lower than here (percentage wise)!! Oh yes and the benefits in the Dutch system:- Depending upon length of time in a job you get 70% of you last wage each month (e.g if you earned €2000/month you get €1400) which is taxed - whilst a jobseeker is getting this they cannot receive any other benefits, except for hep with paying for rent/mortgage and then it is only a percentage and not the full amount! Once that is finished you then get the minimum wage which is approximately €8.53/hour (£7.32/hour) compared to €7.61 (£6.53/hour) here in the UK and not the pathetic £72.40/week!!!! Plus they are then open to other benefits - including full help with rent/mortgage and health insurance! Benefits are taxed but are then reclaimed back through the tax-returns which everyone has to complete. Jobless are also treated the same as workers and receive Vakantiegeld (Holiday Money) which is 8% of their income to be used for a 2 week holiday (which is allowed under their rules as jobseekers are allowed 20 days holiday without having to sign-off and then sign back on again like here in the UK)[/p][/quote]Are the jobs on the Dutch job site as corrupt as ours is with non jobs...[/p][/quote]Are they non-jobs or are you just not applying. I know the company I work for advertises on the DWP jobsearch board and have found numerous staff from it - also with having to uplink jobs to the board I know they also take jobs from other job boards such as Reed, Monster Page Personnel and they are definitely not non-jobs!!!![/p][/quote]Did you not know the dwp are looking at MPs claims that fraud & jobs advertised are false... they have found thousands so far & many cases where there is one job advertised in many locations..... thomas222
  • Score: 14

10:55am Fri 11 Apr 14

marcowalke says...

I remember they good old days when the job center was a place where you went to get help back into work, ie, personal careers adviser, a list of current full time jobs with numbers for you to ring, and all efforts where genuine to help you back to work asap,

now its more about how their system can make you feel degraded because you have lost your job, and yet you can walk into any job center and there will be nationals from all over sat with a passport and interpreter claiming benefits within days of reaching this country.

Instead of penalizing decent willing hard grafters of this country, should not government be considering ways in which to create jobs, ie, our infrastructures a disgrace compared to the rest of Europe. Build new motorways, invest in railways, housing etc, its not rocket science.

When you buy your home, you don't let it run down to the point of where it becomes unless, you constantly invest in that property and keep it to its best standard,

our problem has been we have let our country out to conservative parties, both labour and conservatives, and they just haven't been bothered to maintain our countries upkeep. Our country needs investment, not just from the private sector, (who are only interested if its profit making), but from government that's elected to look after our house.
I remember they good old days when the job center was a place where you went to get help back into work, ie, personal careers adviser, a list of current full time jobs with numbers for you to ring, and all efforts where genuine to help you back to work asap, now its more about how their system can make you feel degraded because you have lost your job, and yet you can walk into any job center and there will be nationals from all over sat with a passport and interpreter claiming benefits within days of reaching this country. Instead of penalizing decent willing hard grafters of this country, should not government be considering ways in which to create jobs, ie, our infrastructures a disgrace compared to the rest of Europe. Build new motorways, invest in railways, housing etc, its not rocket science. When you buy your home, you don't let it run down to the point of where it becomes unless, you constantly invest in that property and keep it to its best standard, our problem has been we have let our country out to conservative parties, both labour and conservatives, and they just haven't been bothered to maintain our countries upkeep. Our country needs investment, not just from the private sector, (who are only interested if its profit making), but from government that's elected to look after our house. marcowalke
  • Score: 33

11:02am Fri 11 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
To be fair I think they should register on the DWP jobsearch engine, with the CV and should be checking it everyday.

unfortunately for a couple of months I was made unemployed whilst I was living in The Netherlands, thanks to movement of work from my office to another country! But I registered as unemployed, although the benefits are superior than here in the UK, but some of the sanctions were I had to register online to the Governments jobsearch engine, register online to get the benefits, register online to receive monthly statements and end of year statement - to help with the tax-returns, apply for a minimum of 5 jobs a week and be free to attend interviews and courses at only 8 hours notice - or have a valid reason as to why not able to attend!!!!

So why shouldn't these rules apply in the UK, as they work, and work fantastically, in The Netherlands where the level of unemployment is actually lower than here (percentage wise)!!

Oh yes and the benefits in the Dutch system:-
Depending upon length of time in a job you get 70% of you last wage each month (e.g if you earned €2000/month you get €1400) which is taxed - whilst a jobseeker is getting this they cannot receive any other benefits, except for hep with paying for rent/mortgage and then it is only a percentage and not the full amount!
Once that is finished you then get the minimum wage which is approximately €8.53/hour (£7.32/hour) compared to €7.61 (£6.53/hour) here in the UK and not the pathetic £72.40/week!!!! Plus they are then open to other benefits - including full help with rent/mortgage and health insurance!
Benefits are taxed but are then reclaimed back through the tax-returns which everyone has to complete.
Jobless are also treated the same as workers and receive Vakantiegeld (Holiday Money) which is 8% of their income to be used for a 2 week holiday (which is allowed under their rules as jobseekers are allowed 20 days holiday without having to sign-off and then sign back on again like here in the UK)
Are the jobs on the Dutch job site as corrupt as ours is with non jobs...
Are they non-jobs or are you just not applying.

I know the company I work for advertises on the DWP jobsearch board and have found numerous staff from it - also with having to uplink jobs to the board I know they also take jobs from other job boards such as Reed, Monster Page Personnel and they are definitely not non-jobs!!!!
Did you not know the dwp are looking at MPs claims that fraud & jobs advertised are false... they have found thousands so far & many cases where there is one job advertised in many locations.....
Source or link, please, as confirmation of what you say!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: To be fair I think they should register on the DWP jobsearch engine, with the CV and should be checking it everyday. unfortunately for a couple of months I was made unemployed whilst I was living in The Netherlands, thanks to movement of work from my office to another country! But I registered as unemployed, although the benefits are superior than here in the UK, but some of the sanctions were I had to register online to the Governments jobsearch engine, register online to get the benefits, register online to receive monthly statements and end of year statement - to help with the tax-returns, apply for a minimum of 5 jobs a week and be free to attend interviews and courses at only 8 hours notice - or have a valid reason as to why not able to attend!!!! So why shouldn't these rules apply in the UK, as they work, and work fantastically, in The Netherlands where the level of unemployment is actually lower than here (percentage wise)!! Oh yes and the benefits in the Dutch system:- Depending upon length of time in a job you get 70% of you last wage each month (e.g if you earned €2000/month you get €1400) which is taxed - whilst a jobseeker is getting this they cannot receive any other benefits, except for hep with paying for rent/mortgage and then it is only a percentage and not the full amount! Once that is finished you then get the minimum wage which is approximately €8.53/hour (£7.32/hour) compared to €7.61 (£6.53/hour) here in the UK and not the pathetic £72.40/week!!!! Plus they are then open to other benefits - including full help with rent/mortgage and health insurance! Benefits are taxed but are then reclaimed back through the tax-returns which everyone has to complete. Jobless are also treated the same as workers and receive Vakantiegeld (Holiday Money) which is 8% of their income to be used for a 2 week holiday (which is allowed under their rules as jobseekers are allowed 20 days holiday without having to sign-off and then sign back on again like here in the UK)[/p][/quote]Are the jobs on the Dutch job site as corrupt as ours is with non jobs...[/p][/quote]Are they non-jobs or are you just not applying. I know the company I work for advertises on the DWP jobsearch board and have found numerous staff from it - also with having to uplink jobs to the board I know they also take jobs from other job boards such as Reed, Monster Page Personnel and they are definitely not non-jobs!!!![/p][/quote]Did you not know the dwp are looking at MPs claims that fraud & jobs advertised are false... they have found thousands so far & many cases where there is one job advertised in many locations.....[/p][/quote]Source or link, please, as confirmation of what you say! The Righteous One
  • Score: -35

11:11am Fri 11 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

marcowalke wrote:
I remember they good old days when the job center was a place where you went to get help back into work, ie, personal careers adviser, a list of current full time jobs with numbers for you to ring, and all efforts where genuine to help you back to work asap,

now its more about how their system can make you feel degraded because you have lost your job, and yet you can walk into any job center and there will be nationals from all over sat with a passport and interpreter claiming benefits within days of reaching this country.

Instead of penalizing decent willing hard grafters of this country, should not government be considering ways in which to create jobs, ie, our infrastructures a disgrace compared to the rest of Europe. Build new motorways, invest in railways, housing etc, its not rocket science.

When you buy your home, you don't let it run down to the point of where it becomes unless, you constantly invest in that property and keep it to its best standard,

our problem has been we have let our country out to conservative parties, both labour and conservatives, and they just haven't been bothered to maintain our countries upkeep. Our country needs investment, not just from the private sector, (who are only interested if its profit making), but from government that's elected to look after our house.
Totally agreed with most of it!

Look at the HS2 - now no longer being linked to Hs1 thus cutting off a fantastic link that would open up the North of the country to the rest of Europe in creating jobs, taking wagons off the road, opening up new destinations - DB already want to have a Cologne/Amsterdam to Manchester/Glasgow/E
dinburgh service but cannot do it because of the lack in our infrastructure!!!!!


I actually had an interview with the DWP the day, looking to start up over here and wondering how to go about advertising jobs and wanting the DWP-JCP involved. But there are many myths with regards to so called immigrants and going on to benefits etc etc. I was talking to some of the staff and each one advise that there are very few immigrants just coming over and claiming - and now that the rules have been tightened up it is even harder to do so!! And it isn't the case of giving out benefits - in fact if someone has moved from abroad there is a rigorous procedure they have to go through before even considering being granted any sort of Jobseekers benefits never mind any other! Basically there is a list over of over 250 things that they have to be registered with, in this country, before being considered such as doctors, dentists, registered at the Town Hall, have a bank account, proof that you have been looking for work in the UK before registering, proof of overseas bank accounts and how they are being used - they are just a few examples - then after the interview is complete the paperwork is then sent to a central office in Wolverhampton who then carefully decides whether they can gain benefits or not, so it is not down to the Bolton office or anyone associated with the applications!!!!
[quote][p][bold]marcowalke[/bold] wrote: I remember they good old days when the job center was a place where you went to get help back into work, ie, personal careers adviser, a list of current full time jobs with numbers for you to ring, and all efforts where genuine to help you back to work asap, now its more about how their system can make you feel degraded because you have lost your job, and yet you can walk into any job center and there will be nationals from all over sat with a passport and interpreter claiming benefits within days of reaching this country. Instead of penalizing decent willing hard grafters of this country, should not government be considering ways in which to create jobs, ie, our infrastructures a disgrace compared to the rest of Europe. Build new motorways, invest in railways, housing etc, its not rocket science. When you buy your home, you don't let it run down to the point of where it becomes unless, you constantly invest in that property and keep it to its best standard, our problem has been we have let our country out to conservative parties, both labour and conservatives, and they just haven't been bothered to maintain our countries upkeep. Our country needs investment, not just from the private sector, (who are only interested if its profit making), but from government that's elected to look after our house.[/p][/quote]Totally agreed with most of it! Look at the HS2 - now no longer being linked to Hs1 thus cutting off a fantastic link that would open up the North of the country to the rest of Europe in creating jobs, taking wagons off the road, opening up new destinations - DB already want to have a Cologne/Amsterdam to Manchester/Glasgow/E dinburgh service but cannot do it because of the lack in our infrastructure!!!!! I actually had an interview with the DWP the day, looking to start up over here and wondering how to go about advertising jobs and wanting the DWP-JCP involved. But there are many myths with regards to so called immigrants and going on to benefits etc etc. I was talking to some of the staff and each one advise that there are very few immigrants just coming over and claiming - and now that the rules have been tightened up it is even harder to do so!! And it isn't the case of giving out benefits - in fact if someone has moved from abroad there is a rigorous procedure they have to go through before even considering being granted any sort of Jobseekers benefits never mind any other! Basically there is a list over of over 250 things that they have to be registered with, in this country, before being considered such as doctors, dentists, registered at the Town Hall, have a bank account, proof that you have been looking for work in the UK before registering, proof of overseas bank accounts and how they are being used - they are just a few examples - then after the interview is complete the paperwork is then sent to a central office in Wolverhampton who then carefully decides whether they can gain benefits or not, so it is not down to the Bolton office or anyone associated with the applications!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -56

11:28am Fri 11 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
To be fair I think they should register on the DWP jobsearch engine, with the CV and should be checking it everyday.

unfortunately for a couple of months I was made unemployed whilst I was living in The Netherlands, thanks to movement of work from my office to another country! But I registered as unemployed, although the benefits are superior than here in the UK, but some of the sanctions were I had to register online to the Governments jobsearch engine, register online to get the benefits, register online to receive monthly statements and end of year statement - to help with the tax-returns, apply for a minimum of 5 jobs a week and be free to attend interviews and courses at only 8 hours notice - or have a valid reason as to why not able to attend!!!!

So why shouldn't these rules apply in the UK, as they work, and work fantastically, in The Netherlands where the level of unemployment is actually lower than here (percentage wise)!!

Oh yes and the benefits in the Dutch system:-
Depending upon length of time in a job you get 70% of you last wage each month (e.g if you earned €2000/month you get €1400) which is taxed - whilst a jobseeker is getting this they cannot receive any other benefits, except for hep with paying for rent/mortgage and then it is only a percentage and not the full amount!
Once that is finished you then get the minimum wage which is approximately €8.53/hour (£7.32/hour) compared to €7.61 (£6.53/hour) here in the UK and not the pathetic £72.40/week!!!! Plus they are then open to other benefits - including full help with rent/mortgage and health insurance!
Benefits are taxed but are then reclaimed back through the tax-returns which everyone has to complete.
Jobless are also treated the same as workers and receive Vakantiegeld (Holiday Money) which is 8% of their income to be used for a 2 week holiday (which is allowed under their rules as jobseekers are allowed 20 days holiday without having to sign-off and then sign back on again like here in the UK)
Interesting,

So why haven't your mates in Europe got the UK government to introduce it then?
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: To be fair I think they should register on the DWP jobsearch engine, with the CV and should be checking it everyday. unfortunately for a couple of months I was made unemployed whilst I was living in The Netherlands, thanks to movement of work from my office to another country! But I registered as unemployed, although the benefits are superior than here in the UK, but some of the sanctions were I had to register online to the Governments jobsearch engine, register online to get the benefits, register online to receive monthly statements and end of year statement - to help with the tax-returns, apply for a minimum of 5 jobs a week and be free to attend interviews and courses at only 8 hours notice - or have a valid reason as to why not able to attend!!!! So why shouldn't these rules apply in the UK, as they work, and work fantastically, in The Netherlands where the level of unemployment is actually lower than here (percentage wise)!! Oh yes and the benefits in the Dutch system:- Depending upon length of time in a job you get 70% of you last wage each month (e.g if you earned €2000/month you get €1400) which is taxed - whilst a jobseeker is getting this they cannot receive any other benefits, except for hep with paying for rent/mortgage and then it is only a percentage and not the full amount! Once that is finished you then get the minimum wage which is approximately €8.53/hour (£7.32/hour) compared to €7.61 (£6.53/hour) here in the UK and not the pathetic £72.40/week!!!! Plus they are then open to other benefits - including full help with rent/mortgage and health insurance! Benefits are taxed but are then reclaimed back through the tax-returns which everyone has to complete. Jobless are also treated the same as workers and receive Vakantiegeld (Holiday Money) which is 8% of their income to be used for a 2 week holiday (which is allowed under their rules as jobseekers are allowed 20 days holiday without having to sign-off and then sign back on again like here in the UK)[/p][/quote]Interesting, So why haven't your mates in Europe got the UK government to introduce it then? Jim271
  • Score: -1

11:41am Fri 11 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
To be fair I think they should register on the DWP jobsearch engine, with the CV and should be checking it everyday.

unfortunately for a couple of months I was made unemployed whilst I was living in The Netherlands, thanks to movement of work from my office to another country! But I registered as unemployed, although the benefits are superior than here in the UK, but some of the sanctions were I had to register online to the Governments jobsearch engine, register online to get the benefits, register online to receive monthly statements and end of year statement - to help with the tax-returns, apply for a minimum of 5 jobs a week and be free to attend interviews and courses at only 8 hours notice - or have a valid reason as to why not able to attend!!!!

So why shouldn't these rules apply in the UK, as they work, and work fantastically, in The Netherlands where the level of unemployment is actually lower than here (percentage wise)!!

Oh yes and the benefits in the Dutch system:-
Depending upon length of time in a job you get 70% of you last wage each month (e.g if you earned €2000/month you get €1400) which is taxed - whilst a jobseeker is getting this they cannot receive any other benefits, except for hep with paying for rent/mortgage and then it is only a percentage and not the full amount!
Once that is finished you then get the minimum wage which is approximately €8.53/hour (£7.32/hour) compared to €7.61 (£6.53/hour) here in the UK and not the pathetic £72.40/week!!!! Plus they are then open to other benefits - including full help with rent/mortgage and health insurance!
Benefits are taxed but are then reclaimed back through the tax-returns which everyone has to complete.
Jobless are also treated the same as workers and receive Vakantiegeld (Holiday Money) which is 8% of their income to be used for a 2 week holiday (which is allowed under their rules as jobseekers are allowed 20 days holiday without having to sign-off and then sign back on again like here in the UK)
Are the jobs on the Dutch job site as corrupt as ours is with non jobs...
Are they non-jobs or are you just not applying.

I know the company I work for advertises on the DWP jobsearch board and have found numerous staff from it - also with having to uplink jobs to the board I know they also take jobs from other job boards such as Reed, Monster Page Personnel and they are definitely not non-jobs!!!!
Did you not know the dwp are looking at MPs claims that fraud & jobs advertised are false... they have found thousands so far & many cases where there is one job advertised in many locations.....
Source or link, please, as confirmation of what you say!
go on yahoo search and type in jobsite fraud..... seven links down you will find it..... legal beagles..... Very good link and will confirm what i said & more.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: To be fair I think they should register on the DWP jobsearch engine, with the CV and should be checking it everyday. unfortunately for a couple of months I was made unemployed whilst I was living in The Netherlands, thanks to movement of work from my office to another country! But I registered as unemployed, although the benefits are superior than here in the UK, but some of the sanctions were I had to register online to the Governments jobsearch engine, register online to get the benefits, register online to receive monthly statements and end of year statement - to help with the tax-returns, apply for a minimum of 5 jobs a week and be free to attend interviews and courses at only 8 hours notice - or have a valid reason as to why not able to attend!!!! So why shouldn't these rules apply in the UK, as they work, and work fantastically, in The Netherlands where the level of unemployment is actually lower than here (percentage wise)!! Oh yes and the benefits in the Dutch system:- Depending upon length of time in a job you get 70% of you last wage each month (e.g if you earned €2000/month you get €1400) which is taxed - whilst a jobseeker is getting this they cannot receive any other benefits, except for hep with paying for rent/mortgage and then it is only a percentage and not the full amount! Once that is finished you then get the minimum wage which is approximately €8.53/hour (£7.32/hour) compared to €7.61 (£6.53/hour) here in the UK and not the pathetic £72.40/week!!!! Plus they are then open to other benefits - including full help with rent/mortgage and health insurance! Benefits are taxed but are then reclaimed back through the tax-returns which everyone has to complete. Jobless are also treated the same as workers and receive Vakantiegeld (Holiday Money) which is 8% of their income to be used for a 2 week holiday (which is allowed under their rules as jobseekers are allowed 20 days holiday without having to sign-off and then sign back on again like here in the UK)[/p][/quote]Are the jobs on the Dutch job site as corrupt as ours is with non jobs...[/p][/quote]Are they non-jobs or are you just not applying. I know the company I work for advertises on the DWP jobsearch board and have found numerous staff from it - also with having to uplink jobs to the board I know they also take jobs from other job boards such as Reed, Monster Page Personnel and they are definitely not non-jobs!!!![/p][/quote]Did you not know the dwp are looking at MPs claims that fraud & jobs advertised are false... they have found thousands so far & many cases where there is one job advertised in many locations.....[/p][/quote]Source or link, please, as confirmation of what you say![/p][/quote]go on yahoo search and type in jobsite fraud..... seven links down you will find it..... legal beagles..... Very good link and will confirm what i said & more. thomas222
  • Score: 6

12:13pm Fri 11 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Jim271 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
To be fair I think they should register on the DWP jobsearch engine, with the CV and should be checking it everyday.

unfortunately for a couple of months I was made unemployed whilst I was living in The Netherlands, thanks to movement of work from my office to another country! But I registered as unemployed, although the benefits are superior than here in the UK, but some of the sanctions were I had to register online to the Governments jobsearch engine, register online to get the benefits, register online to receive monthly statements and end of year statement - to help with the tax-returns, apply for a minimum of 5 jobs a week and be free to attend interviews and courses at only 8 hours notice - or have a valid reason as to why not able to attend!!!!

So why shouldn't these rules apply in the UK, as they work, and work fantastically, in The Netherlands where the level of unemployment is actually lower than here (percentage wise)!!

Oh yes and the benefits in the Dutch system:-
Depending upon length of time in a job you get 70% of you last wage each month (e.g if you earned €2000/month you get €1400) which is taxed - whilst a jobseeker is getting this they cannot receive any other benefits, except for hep with paying for rent/mortgage and then it is only a percentage and not the full amount!
Once that is finished you then get the minimum wage which is approximately €8.53/hour (£7.32/hour) compared to €7.61 (£6.53/hour) here in the UK and not the pathetic £72.40/week!!!! Plus they are then open to other benefits - including full help with rent/mortgage and health insurance!
Benefits are taxed but are then reclaimed back through the tax-returns which everyone has to complete.
Jobless are also treated the same as workers and receive Vakantiegeld (Holiday Money) which is 8% of their income to be used for a 2 week holiday (which is allowed under their rules as jobseekers are allowed 20 days holiday without having to sign-off and then sign back on again like here in the UK)
Interesting,

So why haven't your mates in Europe got the UK government to introduce it then?
My mates in Europe?

Are you confusing me with someone who has people in the EU Commission?

Firstly what described above is for The Netherlands as every single country within the EU have different rules!!!!

As it is people keep on harping about how the UK benefits system gives out to who and is the most generous. Absolutely rubbish, especially even more so after the laws were tightened up - as it is The Dutch, The Belgian and the German benefits system are far more superior to the UK system and is easier to get!!!

But it is ignorant people, like you, who know nothing about the real world outside the UK who don't get the full picture and paint a "who is me attitude, foreigners taking our jobs, foreigner this that and the other."

Lets not forget that less 2 million non-British EU citizens live in the UK. More than 5 million Asian nationals (ranging from China and Japan to India and Pakistan) live in the UK, over 2.5 million US citizens live in the UK and over 1 million Australians live the UK - whilst more than 8 million British citizens live outside the UK (of which 2.5 million live within the EU ) - these stats taken from ONS (January 2014). Another fact is these foreigners were not in UK how many jobs would that free up? How many British people can speak Punjabi, Polish, German, French, etc for the various customer service roles that exist in the UK for the overseas markets? How many fully trained British doctors are ready to take over from the "foreigners" at an immediate notice (considering more than 60% of British trained doctors go abroad as soon as they receive their qualifications!). How many other jobs require qualifications which a quite numerous people haven't got but you want those non-qualified people to take up these positions? To be the best one has to have the best no matter what nationality is!!!

So, in reality, yes get rid of foreigners but you won't have the people with the right qualifications, or experience, to fulfil those roles to the detriment not only for the companies but the country as a whole!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: To be fair I think they should register on the DWP jobsearch engine, with the CV and should be checking it everyday. unfortunately for a couple of months I was made unemployed whilst I was living in The Netherlands, thanks to movement of work from my office to another country! But I registered as unemployed, although the benefits are superior than here in the UK, but some of the sanctions were I had to register online to the Governments jobsearch engine, register online to get the benefits, register online to receive monthly statements and end of year statement - to help with the tax-returns, apply for a minimum of 5 jobs a week and be free to attend interviews and courses at only 8 hours notice - or have a valid reason as to why not able to attend!!!! So why shouldn't these rules apply in the UK, as they work, and work fantastically, in The Netherlands where the level of unemployment is actually lower than here (percentage wise)!! Oh yes and the benefits in the Dutch system:- Depending upon length of time in a job you get 70% of you last wage each month (e.g if you earned €2000/month you get €1400) which is taxed - whilst a jobseeker is getting this they cannot receive any other benefits, except for hep with paying for rent/mortgage and then it is only a percentage and not the full amount! Once that is finished you then get the minimum wage which is approximately €8.53/hour (£7.32/hour) compared to €7.61 (£6.53/hour) here in the UK and not the pathetic £72.40/week!!!! Plus they are then open to other benefits - including full help with rent/mortgage and health insurance! Benefits are taxed but are then reclaimed back through the tax-returns which everyone has to complete. Jobless are also treated the same as workers and receive Vakantiegeld (Holiday Money) which is 8% of their income to be used for a 2 week holiday (which is allowed under their rules as jobseekers are allowed 20 days holiday without having to sign-off and then sign back on again like here in the UK)[/p][/quote]Interesting, So why haven't your mates in Europe got the UK government to introduce it then?[/p][/quote]My mates in Europe? Are you confusing me with someone who has people in the EU Commission? Firstly what described above is for The Netherlands as every single country within the EU have different rules!!!! As it is people keep on harping about how the UK benefits system gives out to who and is the most generous. Absolutely rubbish, especially even more so after the laws were tightened up - as it is The Dutch, The Belgian and the German benefits system are far more superior to the UK system and is easier to get!!! But it is ignorant people, like you, who know nothing about the real world outside the UK who don't get the full picture and paint a "who is me attitude, foreigners taking our jobs, foreigner this that and the other." Lets not forget that less 2 million non-British EU citizens live in the UK. More than 5 million Asian nationals (ranging from China and Japan to India and Pakistan) live in the UK, over 2.5 million US citizens live in the UK and over 1 million Australians live the UK - whilst more than 8 million British citizens live outside the UK (of which 2.5 million live within the EU ) - these stats taken from ONS (January 2014). Another fact is these foreigners were not in UK how many jobs would that free up? How many British people can speak Punjabi, Polish, German, French, etc for the various customer service roles that exist in the UK for the overseas markets? How many fully trained British doctors are ready to take over from the "foreigners" at an immediate notice (considering more than 60% of British trained doctors go abroad as soon as they receive their qualifications!). How many other jobs require qualifications which a quite numerous people haven't got but you want those non-qualified people to take up these positions? To be the best one has to have the best no matter what nationality is!!! So, in reality, yes get rid of foreigners but you won't have the people with the right qualifications, or experience, to fulfil those roles to the detriment not only for the companies but the country as a whole!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -26

12:25pm Fri 11 Apr 14

AndyMorton says...

Companies are to lazy to train people up. Need experience from somewhere and if you do have experience its never enough. Total **** i say
Companies are to lazy to train people up. Need experience from somewhere and if you do have experience its never enough. Total **** i say AndyMorton
  • Score: 6

12:41pm Fri 11 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
To be fair I think they should register on the DWP jobsearch engine, with the CV and should be checking it everyday.

unfortunately for a couple of months I was made unemployed whilst I was living in The Netherlands, thanks to movement of work from my office to another country! But I registered as unemployed, although the benefits are superior than here in the UK, but some of the sanctions were I had to register online to the Governments jobsearch engine, register online to get the benefits, register online to receive monthly statements and end of year statement - to help with the tax-returns, apply for a minimum of 5 jobs a week and be free to attend interviews and courses at only 8 hours notice - or have a valid reason as to why not able to attend!!!!

So why shouldn't these rules apply in the UK, as they work, and work fantastically, in The Netherlands where the level of unemployment is actually lower than here (percentage wise)!!

Oh yes and the benefits in the Dutch system:-
Depending upon length of time in a job you get 70% of you last wage each month (e.g if you earned €2000/month you get €1400) which is taxed - whilst a jobseeker is getting this they cannot receive any other benefits, except for hep with paying for rent/mortgage and then it is only a percentage and not the full amount!
Once that is finished you then get the minimum wage which is approximately €8.53/hour (£7.32/hour) compared to €7.61 (£6.53/hour) here in the UK and not the pathetic £72.40/week!!!! Plus they are then open to other benefits - including full help with rent/mortgage and health insurance!
Benefits are taxed but are then reclaimed back through the tax-returns which everyone has to complete.
Jobless are also treated the same as workers and receive Vakantiegeld (Holiday Money) which is 8% of their income to be used for a 2 week holiday (which is allowed under their rules as jobseekers are allowed 20 days holiday without having to sign-off and then sign back on again like here in the UK)
Interesting,

So why haven't your mates in Europe got the UK government to introduce it then?
My mates in Europe?

Are you confusing me with someone who has people in the EU Commission?

Firstly what described above is for The Netherlands as every single country within the EU have different rules!!!!

As it is people keep on harping about how the UK benefits system gives out to who and is the most generous. Absolutely rubbish, especially even more so after the laws were tightened up - as it is The Dutch, The Belgian and the German benefits system are far more superior to the UK system and is easier to get!!!

But it is ignorant people, like you, who know nothing about the real world outside the UK who don't get the full picture and paint a "who is me attitude, foreigners taking our jobs, foreigner this that and the other."

Lets not forget that less 2 million non-British EU citizens live in the UK. More than 5 million Asian nationals (ranging from China and Japan to India and Pakistan) live in the UK, over 2.5 million US citizens live in the UK and over 1 million Australians live the UK - whilst more than 8 million British citizens live outside the UK (of which 2.5 million live within the EU ) - these stats taken from ONS (January 2014). Another fact is these foreigners were not in UK how many jobs would that free up? How many British people can speak Punjabi, Polish, German, French, etc for the various customer service roles that exist in the UK for the overseas markets? How many fully trained British doctors are ready to take over from the "foreigners" at an immediate notice (considering more than 60% of British trained doctors go abroad as soon as they receive their qualifications!). How many other jobs require qualifications which a quite numerous people haven't got but you want those non-qualified people to take up these positions? To be the best one has to have the best no matter what nationality is!!!

So, in reality, yes get rid of foreigners but you won't have the people with the right qualifications, or experience, to fulfil those roles to the detriment not only for the companies but the country as a whole!!!!
Do you not get it yet.... No one is against Immigration ,its controlled Immigration people want including ukip so you keep saying against Immigration makes you look very silly & people see straight through your weasel words.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: To be fair I think they should register on the DWP jobsearch engine, with the CV and should be checking it everyday. unfortunately for a couple of months I was made unemployed whilst I was living in The Netherlands, thanks to movement of work from my office to another country! But I registered as unemployed, although the benefits are superior than here in the UK, but some of the sanctions were I had to register online to the Governments jobsearch engine, register online to get the benefits, register online to receive monthly statements and end of year statement - to help with the tax-returns, apply for a minimum of 5 jobs a week and be free to attend interviews and courses at only 8 hours notice - or have a valid reason as to why not able to attend!!!! So why shouldn't these rules apply in the UK, as they work, and work fantastically, in The Netherlands where the level of unemployment is actually lower than here (percentage wise)!! Oh yes and the benefits in the Dutch system:- Depending upon length of time in a job you get 70% of you last wage each month (e.g if you earned €2000/month you get €1400) which is taxed - whilst a jobseeker is getting this they cannot receive any other benefits, except for hep with paying for rent/mortgage and then it is only a percentage and not the full amount! Once that is finished you then get the minimum wage which is approximately €8.53/hour (£7.32/hour) compared to €7.61 (£6.53/hour) here in the UK and not the pathetic £72.40/week!!!! Plus they are then open to other benefits - including full help with rent/mortgage and health insurance! Benefits are taxed but are then reclaimed back through the tax-returns which everyone has to complete. Jobless are also treated the same as workers and receive Vakantiegeld (Holiday Money) which is 8% of their income to be used for a 2 week holiday (which is allowed under their rules as jobseekers are allowed 20 days holiday without having to sign-off and then sign back on again like here in the UK)[/p][/quote]Interesting, So why haven't your mates in Europe got the UK government to introduce it then?[/p][/quote]My mates in Europe? Are you confusing me with someone who has people in the EU Commission? Firstly what described above is for The Netherlands as every single country within the EU have different rules!!!! As it is people keep on harping about how the UK benefits system gives out to who and is the most generous. Absolutely rubbish, especially even more so after the laws were tightened up - as it is The Dutch, The Belgian and the German benefits system are far more superior to the UK system and is easier to get!!! But it is ignorant people, like you, who know nothing about the real world outside the UK who don't get the full picture and paint a "who is me attitude, foreigners taking our jobs, foreigner this that and the other." Lets not forget that less 2 million non-British EU citizens live in the UK. More than 5 million Asian nationals (ranging from China and Japan to India and Pakistan) live in the UK, over 2.5 million US citizens live in the UK and over 1 million Australians live the UK - whilst more than 8 million British citizens live outside the UK (of which 2.5 million live within the EU ) - these stats taken from ONS (January 2014). Another fact is these foreigners were not in UK how many jobs would that free up? How many British people can speak Punjabi, Polish, German, French, etc for the various customer service roles that exist in the UK for the overseas markets? How many fully trained British doctors are ready to take over from the "foreigners" at an immediate notice (considering more than 60% of British trained doctors go abroad as soon as they receive their qualifications!). How many other jobs require qualifications which a quite numerous people haven't got but you want those non-qualified people to take up these positions? To be the best one has to have the best no matter what nationality is!!! So, in reality, yes get rid of foreigners but you won't have the people with the right qualifications, or experience, to fulfil those roles to the detriment not only for the companies but the country as a whole!!!![/p][/quote]Do you not get it yet.... No one is against Immigration ,its controlled Immigration people want including ukip so you keep saying against Immigration makes you look very silly & people see straight through your weasel words. thomas222
  • Score: 31

12:43pm Fri 11 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

AndyMorton wrote:
Companies are to lazy to train people up. Need experience from somewhere and if you do have experience its never enough. Total **** i say
Not that its lazy but it is time consuming and that means taking people away from their jobs to train people up which means reduction in production and efficiency which costs money!!!
[quote][p][bold]AndyMorton[/bold] wrote: Companies are to lazy to train people up. Need experience from somewhere and if you do have experience its never enough. Total **** i say[/p][/quote]Not that its lazy but it is time consuming and that means taking people away from their jobs to train people up which means reduction in production and efficiency which costs money!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -31

12:54pm Fri 11 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

@Thomas

Controlled immigration? That is a laugh. What was it about the Syrian refugees only Christian refugees are allowed the Muslims forget it!!! (source: Any link you desire to read about the situation!) - now is that me or is that discrimination?

We already have Selective entry for the non-EU citizens and yet we have over 7 million in the country talking all sorts of jobs - so why are you not against them but against the 1.8million EU citizens that are here (which is less than the 2.45million British living elsewhere in the EU). In fact the UK selective entry for non-EU citizens is actually more tougher than any of the 7 states of Australia who use the points system (remember there is no one points system in Australia).

UKIP is not about controlling but its about selective of which nationals, and religions, they want or don't want and not about skills, which are required in this country no matter what nationality!!!!
@Thomas Controlled immigration? That is a laugh. What was it about the Syrian refugees only Christian refugees are allowed the Muslims forget it!!! (source: Any link you desire to read about the situation!) - now is that me or is that discrimination? We already have Selective entry for the non-EU citizens and yet we have over 7 million in the country talking all sorts of jobs - so why are you not against them but against the 1.8million EU citizens that are here (which is less than the 2.45million British living elsewhere in the EU). In fact the UK selective entry for non-EU citizens is actually more tougher than any of the 7 states of Australia who use the points system (remember there is no one points system in Australia). UKIP is not about controlling but its about selective of which nationals, and religions, they want or don't want and not about skills, which are required in this country no matter what nationality!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -11

1:00pm Fri 11 Apr 14

cliff4treasurer says...

"The Righteous One" I am not sure about anyone else who reads these comments but I have to admit you are boring me shi**less constantly rabbiting on about the glorious Netherlands, If it's that glorious why are you here boring us with your superiority?
"The Righteous One" I am not sure about anyone else who reads these comments but I have to admit you are boring me shi**less constantly rabbiting on about the glorious Netherlands, If it's that glorious why are you here boring us with your superiority? cliff4treasurer
  • Score: 17

1:03pm Fri 11 Apr 14

AndyMorton says...

The Righteous One wrote:
AndyMorton wrote:
Companies are to lazy to train people up. Need experience from somewhere and if you do have experience its never enough. Total **** i say
Not that its lazy but it is time consuming and that means taking people away from their jobs to train people up which means reduction in production and efficiency which costs money!!!
They dont even look at CV's they are pointless handing them out. And sorry of course you just say what im saying coz no one gets trained and cant get experience got to start somewhere but where? If government are trying to get us into work why dont tey fund companies to train people up there wouldnt be a problem full lf shiit. Countries on its are the only time i will support my country is world cup
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndyMorton[/bold] wrote: Companies are to lazy to train people up. Need experience from somewhere and if you do have experience its never enough. Total **** i say[/p][/quote]Not that its lazy but it is time consuming and that means taking people away from their jobs to train people up which means reduction in production and efficiency which costs money!!![/p][/quote]They dont even look at CV's they are pointless handing them out. And sorry of course you just say what im saying coz no one gets trained and cant get experience got to start somewhere but where? If government are trying to get us into work why dont tey fund companies to train people up there wouldnt be a problem full lf shiit. Countries on its are the only time i will support my country is world cup AndyMorton
  • Score: -3

1:04pm Fri 11 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
@Thomas

Controlled immigration? That is a laugh. What was it about the Syrian refugees only Christian refugees are allowed the Muslims forget it!!! (source: Any link you desire to read about the situation!) - now is that me or is that discrimination?

We already have Selective entry for the non-EU citizens and yet we have over 7 million in the country talking all sorts of jobs - so why are you not against them but against the 1.8million EU citizens that are here (which is less than the 2.45million British living elsewhere in the EU). In fact the UK selective entry for non-EU citizens is actually more tougher than any of the 7 states of Australia who use the points system (remember there is no one points system in Australia).

UKIP is not about controlling but its about selective of which nationals, and religions, they want or don't want and not about skills, which are required in this country no matter what nationality!!!!
Did you look at the link regarding fraud i posted. You never said.... What part of controlled Immigration dont you understand. No low skills workers coming in from Europe & open up Immigration for the best, from the rest of the world. We been here before you dont get it you have yr head in the sand of what is happening all over europe.. the rise of the right... Im sure you will be watching todays daily politics. ; )
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: @Thomas Controlled immigration? That is a laugh. What was it about the Syrian refugees only Christian refugees are allowed the Muslims forget it!!! (source: Any link you desire to read about the situation!) - now is that me or is that discrimination? We already have Selective entry for the non-EU citizens and yet we have over 7 million in the country talking all sorts of jobs - so why are you not against them but against the 1.8million EU citizens that are here (which is less than the 2.45million British living elsewhere in the EU). In fact the UK selective entry for non-EU citizens is actually more tougher than any of the 7 states of Australia who use the points system (remember there is no one points system in Australia). UKIP is not about controlling but its about selective of which nationals, and religions, they want or don't want and not about skills, which are required in this country no matter what nationality!!!![/p][/quote]Did you look at the link regarding fraud i posted. You never said.... What part of controlled Immigration dont you understand. No low skills workers coming in from Europe & open up Immigration for the best, from the rest of the world. We been here before you dont get it you have yr head in the sand of what is happening all over europe.. the rise of the right... Im sure you will be watching todays daily politics. ; ) thomas222
  • Score: -2

1:07pm Fri 11 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

http://www.legalbeag
les.info/forums/show
thread.php?47555-Gov
-Jobsite-Rife-With-F
raud
(which is actually a copy and paste from The Guardian (5/3/14)

Just had a good laugh with this....

1. "Field started asking questions about the website after discovering that some of his constituents had been scammed out of money by false employers, who asked for bank details upfront and cash for criminal record checks before disappearing."

- lol people are so gullible into giving bank details and handing money over without actually scrutinising an company beforehand. That isn't the fault of Universal Jobsearch (who get their jobs from other boards, btw, in 95% of the positions) but of people being sucked in and for to eager to please!!! Legally speaking the applicant should NOT be having their own CRB checks done, but are should be done the prospective employer, and only after a job offer has been announced!!!

Also before applying for jobs it is normal practice to check out companies - well one has to before an interview as normally a question is asked if the person knows anything about the company!!!!


2.A spokesman for the DWP said: "Universal Jobmatch revolutionises the way jobseekers look for work and it has already helped many jobseekers find the jobs they want through the millions of vacancies posted since 2012.
"The truth is that the vast majority of employers post genuine jobs, and we crack down on those who don't play by the rules. We also regularly monitor the site and remove jobs that don't meet our rules, such as duplicate advertisements or jobs for franchises."

- fact is these "fraud" jobs can appear anywhere and are not uncommon - how many times do they appear in the local papers job pages? or with job agencies or with the JCP itself, never mind companies that advertise jobs just to suddenly the jobs disappear! Can you say that all the jobs on Reed or Monster or with Jobwise are all 100%? I know you can't. It is nothing new and as always happened through the centuries - but it I about doing your research before applying or before handing any money over whatsoever. Question is would you hand over money to a stranger in the street - of course you wouldn't so why do it through a job agency WITHOUT being offered a job or researching the company???
http://www.legalbeag les.info/forums/show thread.php?47555-Gov -Jobsite-Rife-With-F raud (which is actually a copy and paste from The Guardian (5/3/14) Just had a good laugh with this.... 1. "Field started asking questions about the website after discovering that some of his constituents had been scammed out of money by false employers, who asked for bank details upfront and cash for criminal record checks before disappearing." - lol people are so gullible into giving bank details and handing money over without actually scrutinising an company beforehand. That isn't the fault of Universal Jobsearch (who get their jobs from other boards, btw, in 95% of the positions) but of people being sucked in and for to eager to please!!! Legally speaking the applicant should NOT be having their own CRB checks done, but are should be done the prospective employer, and only after a job offer has been announced!!! Also before applying for jobs it is normal practice to check out companies - well one has to before an interview as normally a question is asked if the person knows anything about the company!!!! 2.A spokesman for the DWP said: "Universal Jobmatch revolutionises the way jobseekers look for work and it has already helped many jobseekers find the jobs they want through the millions of vacancies posted since 2012. "The truth is that the vast majority of employers post genuine jobs, and we crack down on those who don't play by the rules. We also regularly monitor the site and remove jobs that don't meet our rules, such as duplicate advertisements or jobs for franchises." - fact is these "fraud" jobs can appear anywhere and are not uncommon - how many times do they appear in the local papers job pages? or with job agencies or with the JCP itself, never mind companies that advertise jobs just to suddenly the jobs disappear! Can you say that all the jobs on Reed or Monster or with Jobwise are all 100%? I know you can't. It is nothing new and as always happened through the centuries - but it I about doing your research before applying or before handing any money over whatsoever. Question is would you hand over money to a stranger in the street - of course you wouldn't so why do it through a job agency WITHOUT being offered a job or researching the company??? The Righteous One
  • Score: -39

1:11pm Fri 11 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
http://www.legalbeag

les.info/forums/show

thread.php?47555-Gov

-Jobsite-Rife-With-F

raud
(which is actually a copy and paste from The Guardian (5/3/14)

Just had a good laugh with this....

1. "Field started asking questions about the website after discovering that some of his constituents had been scammed out of money by false employers, who asked for bank details upfront and cash for criminal record checks before disappearing."

- lol people are so gullible into giving bank details and handing money over without actually scrutinising an company beforehand. That isn't the fault of Universal Jobsearch (who get their jobs from other boards, btw, in 95% of the positions) but of people being sucked in and for to eager to please!!! Legally speaking the applicant should NOT be having their own CRB checks done, but are should be done the prospective employer, and only after a job offer has been announced!!!

Also before applying for jobs it is normal practice to check out companies - well one has to before an interview as normally a question is asked if the person knows anything about the company!!!!


2.A spokesman for the DWP said: "Universal Jobmatch revolutionises the way jobseekers look for work and it has already helped many jobseekers find the jobs they want through the millions of vacancies posted since 2012.
"The truth is that the vast majority of employers post genuine jobs, and we crack down on those who don't play by the rules. We also regularly monitor the site and remove jobs that don't meet our rules, such as duplicate advertisements or jobs for franchises."

- fact is these "fraud" jobs can appear anywhere and are not uncommon - how many times do they appear in the local papers job pages? or with job agencies or with the JCP itself, never mind companies that advertise jobs just to suddenly the jobs disappear! Can you say that all the jobs on Reed or Monster or with Jobwise are all 100%? I know you can't. It is nothing new and as always happened through the centuries - but it I about doing your research before applying or before handing any money over whatsoever. Question is would you hand over money to a stranger in the street - of course you wouldn't so why do it through a job agency WITHOUT being offered a job or researching the company???
Your a idiot mate dont post on my posts your not welcome and yr not wanted..... Con men do that sort of think but you being very very clever would never get conned would you.. Why is it being investigated then or did you miss that part... dont reply.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: http://www.legalbeag les.info/forums/show thread.php?47555-Gov -Jobsite-Rife-With-F raud (which is actually a copy and paste from The Guardian (5/3/14) Just had a good laugh with this.... 1. "Field started asking questions about the website after discovering that some of his constituents had been scammed out of money by false employers, who asked for bank details upfront and cash for criminal record checks before disappearing." - lol people are so gullible into giving bank details and handing money over without actually scrutinising an company beforehand. That isn't the fault of Universal Jobsearch (who get their jobs from other boards, btw, in 95% of the positions) but of people being sucked in and for to eager to please!!! Legally speaking the applicant should NOT be having their own CRB checks done, but are should be done the prospective employer, and only after a job offer has been announced!!! Also before applying for jobs it is normal practice to check out companies - well one has to before an interview as normally a question is asked if the person knows anything about the company!!!! 2.A spokesman for the DWP said: "Universal Jobmatch revolutionises the way jobseekers look for work and it has already helped many jobseekers find the jobs they want through the millions of vacancies posted since 2012. "The truth is that the vast majority of employers post genuine jobs, and we crack down on those who don't play by the rules. We also regularly monitor the site and remove jobs that don't meet our rules, such as duplicate advertisements or jobs for franchises." - fact is these "fraud" jobs can appear anywhere and are not uncommon - how many times do they appear in the local papers job pages? or with job agencies or with the JCP itself, never mind companies that advertise jobs just to suddenly the jobs disappear! Can you say that all the jobs on Reed or Monster or with Jobwise are all 100%? I know you can't. It is nothing new and as always happened through the centuries - but it I about doing your research before applying or before handing any money over whatsoever. Question is would you hand over money to a stranger in the street - of course you wouldn't so why do it through a job agency WITHOUT being offered a job or researching the company???[/p][/quote]Your a idiot mate dont post on my posts your not welcome and yr not wanted..... Con men do that sort of think but you being very very clever would never get conned would you.. Why is it being investigated then or did you miss that part... dont reply. thomas222
  • Score: -4

1:12pm Fri 11 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

AndyMorton wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
AndyMorton wrote:
Companies are to lazy to train people up. Need experience from somewhere and if you do have experience its never enough. Total **** i say
Not that its lazy but it is time consuming and that means taking people away from their jobs to train people up which means reduction in production and efficiency which costs money!!!
They dont even look at CV's they are pointless handing them out. And sorry of course you just say what im saying coz no one gets trained and cant get experience got to start somewhere but where? If government are trying to get us into work why dont tey fund companies to train people up there wouldnt be a problem full lf shiit. Countries on its are the only time i will support my country is world cup
Why should a public sector fund a private sector? In that case why not make ALL companies part of the public sector, then there will be the money for training!!!!

Education - Qualification - Work Experience - Trainee positions - Full employment - Promotion!

Why should anyone by-pass any of these. This is how experienced is gained, and that's how I did it and many millions of others. Those that don't want to follow that path are either self-starters who will probably 50% succeed (in fact not even 50%) or those who think they are too good to know the job they are doing from bottom to top!!!!
[quote][p][bold]AndyMorton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndyMorton[/bold] wrote: Companies are to lazy to train people up. Need experience from somewhere and if you do have experience its never enough. Total **** i say[/p][/quote]Not that its lazy but it is time consuming and that means taking people away from their jobs to train people up which means reduction in production and efficiency which costs money!!![/p][/quote]They dont even look at CV's they are pointless handing them out. And sorry of course you just say what im saying coz no one gets trained and cant get experience got to start somewhere but where? If government are trying to get us into work why dont tey fund companies to train people up there wouldnt be a problem full lf shiit. Countries on its are the only time i will support my country is world cup[/p][/quote]Why should a public sector fund a private sector? In that case why not make ALL companies part of the public sector, then there will be the money for training!!!! Education - Qualification - Work Experience - Trainee positions - Full employment - Promotion! Why should anyone by-pass any of these. This is how experienced is gained, and that's how I did it and many millions of others. Those that don't want to follow that path are either self-starters who will probably 50% succeed (in fact not even 50%) or those who think they are too good to know the job they are doing from bottom to top!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -36

1:18pm Fri 11 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
http://www.legalbeag


les.info/forums/show


thread.php?47555-Gov


-Jobsite-Rife-With-F


raud
(which is actually a copy and paste from The Guardian (5/3/14)

Just had a good laugh with this....

1. "Field started asking questions about the website after discovering that some of his constituents had been scammed out of money by false employers, who asked for bank details upfront and cash for criminal record checks before disappearing."

- lol people are so gullible into giving bank details and handing money over without actually scrutinising an company beforehand. That isn't the fault of Universal Jobsearch (who get their jobs from other boards, btw, in 95% of the positions) but of people being sucked in and for to eager to please!!! Legally speaking the applicant should NOT be having their own CRB checks done, but are should be done the prospective employer, and only after a job offer has been announced!!!

Also before applying for jobs it is normal practice to check out companies - well one has to before an interview as normally a question is asked if the person knows anything about the company!!!!


2.A spokesman for the DWP said: "Universal Jobmatch revolutionises the way jobseekers look for work and it has already helped many jobseekers find the jobs they want through the millions of vacancies posted since 2012.
"The truth is that the vast majority of employers post genuine jobs, and we crack down on those who don't play by the rules. We also regularly monitor the site and remove jobs that don't meet our rules, such as duplicate advertisements or jobs for franchises."

- fact is these "fraud" jobs can appear anywhere and are not uncommon - how many times do they appear in the local papers job pages? or with job agencies or with the JCP itself, never mind companies that advertise jobs just to suddenly the jobs disappear! Can you say that all the jobs on Reed or Monster or with Jobwise are all 100%? I know you can't. It is nothing new and as always happened through the centuries - but it I about doing your research before applying or before handing any money over whatsoever. Question is would you hand over money to a stranger in the street - of course you wouldn't so why do it through a job agency WITHOUT being offered a job or researching the company???
Your a idiot mate dont post on my posts your not welcome and yr not wanted..... Con men do that sort of think but you being very very clever would never get conned would you.. Why is it being investigated then or did you miss that part... dont reply.
I ill post on your posts - you cannot stop me. In fact YOU are the idiot as you don't want to face reality and to find negativity in EVERYTHING that is printed/posted on this website. I am not wanted. Now you next post will be about the thumbs - it normally is. Guess what??? I ain't bothered if I get positive or negative but look for yourself as to who gets what, not just on this thread but all threads I post on!!!!

Have you ever said anything positive that has been in this paper? No you haven't. Even when it has been good news you have found negativity!!!

Of course it is being investigated, but if you read the FULL report in the Guardian, then you will realise the whole sector of publishing jobs is being investigated and not just Universal Jobsearch - so why are you being selective as to what the report says and not says???

But again if people are so gullible and quick to be eager then that is not the fault of Universal Jobsearch or the other job boards but the people themselves for not doing their research before handing money over!!!! Again would you hand money over to a stranger in the street just on an unwritten promise? I somehow doubt it!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: http://www.legalbeag les.info/forums/show thread.php?47555-Gov -Jobsite-Rife-With-F raud (which is actually a copy and paste from The Guardian (5/3/14) Just had a good laugh with this.... 1. "Field started asking questions about the website after discovering that some of his constituents had been scammed out of money by false employers, who asked for bank details upfront and cash for criminal record checks before disappearing." - lol people are so gullible into giving bank details and handing money over without actually scrutinising an company beforehand. That isn't the fault of Universal Jobsearch (who get their jobs from other boards, btw, in 95% of the positions) but of people being sucked in and for to eager to please!!! Legally speaking the applicant should NOT be having their own CRB checks done, but are should be done the prospective employer, and only after a job offer has been announced!!! Also before applying for jobs it is normal practice to check out companies - well one has to before an interview as normally a question is asked if the person knows anything about the company!!!! 2.A spokesman for the DWP said: "Universal Jobmatch revolutionises the way jobseekers look for work and it has already helped many jobseekers find the jobs they want through the millions of vacancies posted since 2012. "The truth is that the vast majority of employers post genuine jobs, and we crack down on those who don't play by the rules. We also regularly monitor the site and remove jobs that don't meet our rules, such as duplicate advertisements or jobs for franchises." - fact is these "fraud" jobs can appear anywhere and are not uncommon - how many times do they appear in the local papers job pages? or with job agencies or with the JCP itself, never mind companies that advertise jobs just to suddenly the jobs disappear! Can you say that all the jobs on Reed or Monster or with Jobwise are all 100%? I know you can't. It is nothing new and as always happened through the centuries - but it I about doing your research before applying or before handing any money over whatsoever. Question is would you hand over money to a stranger in the street - of course you wouldn't so why do it through a job agency WITHOUT being offered a job or researching the company???[/p][/quote]Your a idiot mate dont post on my posts your not welcome and yr not wanted..... Con men do that sort of think but you being very very clever would never get conned would you.. Why is it being investigated then or did you miss that part... dont reply.[/p][/quote]I ill post on your posts - you cannot stop me. In fact YOU are the idiot as you don't want to face reality and to find negativity in EVERYTHING that is printed/posted on this website. I am not wanted. Now you next post will be about the thumbs - it normally is. Guess what??? I ain't bothered if I get positive or negative but look for yourself as to who gets what, not just on this thread but all threads I post on!!!! Have you ever said anything positive that has been in this paper? No you haven't. Even when it has been good news you have found negativity!!! Of course it is being investigated, but if you read the FULL report in the Guardian, then you will realise the whole sector of publishing jobs is being investigated and not just Universal Jobsearch - so why are you being selective as to what the report says and not says??? But again if people are so gullible and quick to be eager then that is not the fault of Universal Jobsearch or the other job boards but the people themselves for not doing their research before handing money over!!!! Again would you hand money over to a stranger in the street just on an unwritten promise? I somehow doubt it!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -42

1:22pm Fri 11 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

cliff4treasurer wrote:
"The Righteous One" I am not sure about anyone else who reads these comments but I have to admit you are boring me shi**less constantly rabbiting on about the glorious Netherlands, If it's that glorious why are you here boring us with your superiority?
Because I am British and want to open people's eyes up to see that there are jobs out there but people HAVE to move to where the jobs are nowadays - I have done, hence why I am back in the UK!!!

I moved to Germany for work, then The Netherlands and now back to the UK, and still on the look out for my next job!!!

Jobs don't come to the people, like they did in the good old days (with rose tinted spectacles) , but people have to move for work!!!
[quote][p][bold]cliff4treasurer[/bold] wrote: "The Righteous One" I am not sure about anyone else who reads these comments but I have to admit you are boring me shi**less constantly rabbiting on about the glorious Netherlands, If it's that glorious why are you here boring us with your superiority?[/p][/quote]Because I am British and want to open people's eyes up to see that there are jobs out there but people HAVE to move to where the jobs are nowadays - I have done, hence why I am back in the UK!!! I moved to Germany for work, then The Netherlands and now back to the UK, and still on the look out for my next job!!! Jobs don't come to the people, like they did in the good old days (with rose tinted spectacles) , but people have to move for work!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -41

4:11pm Fri 11 Apr 14

tr1kky says...

When I was unemployed, the first thing to go was the internet. I couldn't afford to pay it!
How do they expect people to apply for jobs via the internet when they can't afford the internet?
When it's a choice between paying for food,heat light or internet, your going to pick the essentials and internet is not an essential!
Their problem is they presume that in the 21st century, everyone has the latest gadgets etc, not everyone does and not everyone wants the pressure of monthly contracted internet! Basically it's acquiring another debt you might not be able to afford!
When I was unemployed, the first thing to go was the internet. I couldn't afford to pay it! How do they expect people to apply for jobs via the internet when they can't afford the internet? When it's a choice between paying for food,heat light or internet, your going to pick the essentials and internet is not an essential! Their problem is they presume that in the 21st century, everyone has the latest gadgets etc, not everyone does and not everyone wants the pressure of monthly contracted internet! Basically it's acquiring another debt you might not be able to afford! tr1kky
  • Score: 10

5:09pm Fri 11 Apr 14

holloway_david says...

If you have the internet and are out of a job then I would recommend that a CV would be important for employers looking for staff and can be uploaded and registered on national sites such as "Monster" which is the leading employment window for job information for jobs available. Employers also use the site as a tool for finding their requirements.
If you have the internet and are out of a job then I would recommend that a CV would be important for employers looking for staff and can be uploaded and registered on national sites such as "Monster" which is the leading employment window for job information for jobs available. Employers also use the site as a tool for finding their requirements. holloway_david
  • Score: 2

5:21pm Fri 11 Apr 14

holloway_david says...

holloway_david wrote:
If you have the internet and are out of a job then I would recommend that a CV would be important for employers looking for staff and can be uploaded and registered on national sites such as "Monster" which is the leading employment window for job information for jobs available. Employers also use the site as a tool for finding their requirements.
ps: Monster give you e-mail alerts for those jobs matching your CV.
I wish all those people out of work the very best of luck.
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: If you have the internet and are out of a job then I would recommend that a CV would be important for employers looking for staff and can be uploaded and registered on national sites such as "Monster" which is the leading employment window for job information for jobs available. Employers also use the site as a tool for finding their requirements.[/p][/quote]ps: Monster give you e-mail alerts for those jobs matching your CV. I wish all those people out of work the very best of luck. holloway_david
  • Score: 5

6:21pm Fri 11 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

holloway_david wrote:
holloway_david wrote:
If you have the internet and are out of a job then I would recommend that a CV would be important for employers looking for staff and can be uploaded and registered on national sites such as "Monster" which is the leading employment window for job information for jobs available. Employers also use the site as a tool for finding their requirements.
ps: Monster give you e-mail alerts for those jobs matching your CV.
I wish all those people out of work the very best of luck.
And may I point out that it is actually Monster that manages Universal Jobsearch - the DWP-JCP internet job-board!
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: If you have the internet and are out of a job then I would recommend that a CV would be important for employers looking for staff and can be uploaded and registered on national sites such as "Monster" which is the leading employment window for job information for jobs available. Employers also use the site as a tool for finding their requirements.[/p][/quote]ps: Monster give you e-mail alerts for those jobs matching your CV. I wish all those people out of work the very best of luck.[/p][/quote]And may I point out that it is actually Monster that manages Universal Jobsearch - the DWP-JCP internet job-board! The Righteous One
  • Score: -44

6:23pm Fri 11 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

@ Thomas

Unlike you I was in a meeting when The Daily Politics was on.
@ Thomas Unlike you I was in a meeting when The Daily Politics was on. The Righteous One
  • Score: -40

6:31pm Fri 11 Apr 14

George X. says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
STOP letting thousands of immigrants in and there would be more jobs, simples.
mistake by me in saying "8 hours notice" which is meant to read "48 hours notice"!
Who care no one rea it anyway !!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: STOP letting thousands of immigrants in and there would be more jobs, simples.[/p][/quote]mistake by me in saying "8 hours notice" which is meant to read "48 hours notice"![/p][/quote]Who care no one rea it anyway !! George X.
  • Score: 6

6:41pm Fri 11 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

George X. wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
STOP letting thousands of immigrants in and there would be more jobs, simples.
mistake by me in saying "8 hours notice" which is meant to read "48 hours notice"!
Who care no one rea it anyway !!
Hey George why have you now suddenly got a full-stop next to your x?

Are you breaking the rules by using a different email address?


If you want I can change that for you by getting you banned again!
[quote][p][bold]George X.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: STOP letting thousands of immigrants in and there would be more jobs, simples.[/p][/quote]mistake by me in saying "8 hours notice" which is meant to read "48 hours notice"![/p][/quote]Who care no one rea it anyway !![/p][/quote]Hey George why have you now suddenly got a full-stop next to your x? Are you breaking the rules by using a different email address? If you want I can change that for you by getting you banned again! The Righteous One
  • Score: -21

7:11pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Lynn57 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
To be fair I think they should register on the DWP jobsearch engine, with the CV and should be checking it everyday.

unfortunately for a couple of months I was made unemployed whilst I was living in The Netherlands, thanks to movement of work from my office to another country! But I registered as unemployed, although the benefits are superior than here in the UK, but some of the sanctions were I had to register online to the Governments jobsearch engine, register online to get the benefits, register online to receive monthly statements and end of year statement - to help with the tax-returns, apply for a minimum of 5 jobs a week and be free to attend interviews and courses at only 8 hours notice - or have a valid reason as to why not able to attend!!!!

So why shouldn't these rules apply in the UK, as they work, and work fantastically, in The Netherlands where the level of unemployment is actually lower than here (percentage wise)!!

Oh yes and the benefits in the Dutch system:-
Depending upon length of time in a job you get 70% of you last wage each month (e.g if you earned €2000/month you get €1400) which is taxed - whilst a jobseeker is getting this they cannot receive any other benefits, except for hep with paying for rent/mortgage and then it is only a percentage and not the full amount!
Once that is finished you then get the minimum wage which is approximately €8.53/hour (£7.32/hour) compared to €7.61 (£6.53/hour) here in the UK and not the pathetic £72.40/week!!!! Plus they are then open to other benefits - including full help with rent/mortgage and health insurance!
Benefits are taxed but are then reclaimed back through the tax-returns which everyone has to complete.
Jobless are also treated the same as workers and receive Vakantiegeld (Holiday Money) which is 8% of their income to be used for a 2 week holiday (which is allowed under their rules as jobseekers are allowed 20 days holiday without having to sign-off and then sign back on again like here in the UK)
I remember in the seventies I was unemployed for about five months and because of a good salary previously I received "earnings related" benefit until finding work. The conservative government stopped it all of course and fortunately I have not had to sign on since but I am now told that the staff make people feel like scum no matter how much tax and no one has paid in. It is not about support it is about being hounded. This goes on until people are elderly as the retirement age keeps on rising.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: To be fair I think they should register on the DWP jobsearch engine, with the CV and should be checking it everyday. unfortunately for a couple of months I was made unemployed whilst I was living in The Netherlands, thanks to movement of work from my office to another country! But I registered as unemployed, although the benefits are superior than here in the UK, but some of the sanctions were I had to register online to the Governments jobsearch engine, register online to get the benefits, register online to receive monthly statements and end of year statement - to help with the tax-returns, apply for a minimum of 5 jobs a week and be free to attend interviews and courses at only 8 hours notice - or have a valid reason as to why not able to attend!!!! So why shouldn't these rules apply in the UK, as they work, and work fantastically, in The Netherlands where the level of unemployment is actually lower than here (percentage wise)!! Oh yes and the benefits in the Dutch system:- Depending upon length of time in a job you get 70% of you last wage each month (e.g if you earned €2000/month you get €1400) which is taxed - whilst a jobseeker is getting this they cannot receive any other benefits, except for hep with paying for rent/mortgage and then it is only a percentage and not the full amount! Once that is finished you then get the minimum wage which is approximately €8.53/hour (£7.32/hour) compared to €7.61 (£6.53/hour) here in the UK and not the pathetic £72.40/week!!!! Plus they are then open to other benefits - including full help with rent/mortgage and health insurance! Benefits are taxed but are then reclaimed back through the tax-returns which everyone has to complete. Jobless are also treated the same as workers and receive Vakantiegeld (Holiday Money) which is 8% of their income to be used for a 2 week holiday (which is allowed under their rules as jobseekers are allowed 20 days holiday without having to sign-off and then sign back on again like here in the UK)[/p][/quote]I remember in the seventies I was unemployed for about five months and because of a good salary previously I received "earnings related" benefit until finding work. The conservative government stopped it all of course and fortunately I have not had to sign on since but I am now told that the staff make people feel like scum no matter how much tax and no one has paid in. It is not about support it is about being hounded. This goes on until people are elderly as the retirement age keeps on rising. Lynn57
  • Score: 6

10:15pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Citizen Cane says...

4 million immigrants; 2.5 million unemployed - you do the arithmetic Julie Hilling as your lot let them in and now bleat because they've taken the jobs that natives should be doing.
4 million immigrants; 2.5 million unemployed - you do the arithmetic Julie Hilling as your lot let them in and now bleat because they've taken the jobs that natives should be doing. Citizen Cane
  • Score: 5

10:25pm Fri 11 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Citizen Cane wrote:
4 million immigrants; 2.5 million unemployed - you do the arithmetic Julie Hilling as your lot let them in and now bleat because they've taken the jobs that natives should be doing.
1.45 million migrants from the EU
3 million from the Asian countries (from China and Japan to India and Pakistan)
And lets not forget the 3 million migrants from the other English speaking countries that are not in the EU!

But lets not forget that 2.75 million Brits that work and live in the other EU countries (including Eire) or the 7million Brits that work and live elsewhere in the world!!!!

So lets do the maths again....

If the migrants were not here and the British hadn't had left there would still be 2.5 million unemployed, if not more!!!

Easy to blame the migrants, easy isn't it, when you only look at one part of the small picture!!!
[quote][p][bold]Citizen Cane[/bold] wrote: 4 million immigrants; 2.5 million unemployed - you do the arithmetic Julie Hilling as your lot let them in and now bleat because they've taken the jobs that natives should be doing.[/p][/quote]1.45 million migrants from the EU 3 million from the Asian countries (from China and Japan to India and Pakistan) And lets not forget the 3 million migrants from the other English speaking countries that are not in the EU! But lets not forget that 2.75 million Brits that work and live in the other EU countries (including Eire) or the 7million Brits that work and live elsewhere in the world!!!! So lets do the maths again.... If the migrants were not here and the British hadn't had left there would still be 2.5 million unemployed, if not more!!! Easy to blame the migrants, easy isn't it, when you only look at one part of the small picture!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -26

11:13pm Fri 11 Apr 14

George X. says...

The Righteous One wrote:
George X. wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
STOP letting thousands of immigrants in and there would be more jobs, simples.
mistake by me in saying "8 hours notice" which is meant to read "48 hours notice"!
Who care no one rea it anyway !!
Hey George why have you now suddenly got a full-stop next to your x?

Are you breaking the rules by using a different email address?


If you want I can change that for you by getting you banned again!
Do it you **** !!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: STOP letting thousands of immigrants in and there would be more jobs, simples.[/p][/quote]mistake by me in saying "8 hours notice" which is meant to read "48 hours notice"![/p][/quote]Who care no one rea it anyway !![/p][/quote]Hey George why have you now suddenly got a full-stop next to your x? Are you breaking the rules by using a different email address? If you want I can change that for you by getting you banned again![/p][/quote]Do it you **** !! George X.
  • Score: 7

11:15pm Fri 11 Apr 14

George X. says...

And i'll see you at the train station monday morning ...
And i'll see you at the train station monday morning ... George X.
  • Score: 8

11:19pm Fri 11 Apr 14

George X. says...

You and i are definitely going to meet at some point...
You and i are definitely going to meet at some point... George X.
  • Score: 9

9:32am Sat 12 Apr 14

SleepingThunder says...

It is a known fact that the current JSA site is not fit for purpose,full of fake jobs & scamers looking to steal your NI number
www.bbc.co.uk/news/u
k-politics-26463915
It is a known fact that the current JSA site is not fit for purpose,full of fake jobs & scamers looking to steal your NI number www.bbc.co.uk/news/u k-politics-26463915 SleepingThunder
  • Score: 5

3:40pm Sat 12 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

SleepingThunder wrote:
It is a known fact that the current JSA site is not fit for purpose,full of fake jobs & scamers looking to steal your NI number
www.bbc.co.uk/news/u

k-politics-26463915
Is it, so that means so is Monster, Reed, and agency such as Reed, Hays etc as they are all owned by the same company!!!!!!

But if you read that news report you will see that t happens on ALL job boards and ALL agencies are caught up in it and have been for decades. Therefore it is hardly news.

Moral of the story is - research the company you are applying to, you are meant to anyway for any possible job interview and NEVER give out bank details until you have signed on the dotted line of a job contract and only so that he wage can be paid into your account!!!!

If everyone followed these simple rules then there would be no fake jobs and its not hard to follow!!!!

It is all just plain and simple common sense, or is it the case that people have to be spoon fed nowadays?
[quote][p][bold]SleepingThunder[/bold] wrote: It is a known fact that the current JSA site is not fit for purpose,full of fake jobs & scamers looking to steal your NI number www.bbc.co.uk/news/u k-politics-26463915[/p][/quote]Is it, so that means so is Monster, Reed, and agency such as Reed, Hays etc as they are all owned by the same company!!!!!! But if you read that news report you will see that t happens on ALL job boards and ALL agencies are caught up in it and have been for decades. Therefore it is hardly news. Moral of the story is - research the company you are applying to, you are meant to anyway for any possible job interview and NEVER give out bank details until you have signed on the dotted line of a job contract and only so that he wage can be paid into your account!!!! If everyone followed these simple rules then there would be no fake jobs and its not hard to follow!!!! It is all just plain and simple common sense, or is it the case that people have to be spoon fed nowadays? The Righteous One
  • Score: -1

3:42pm Sat 12 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

George X. wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
George X. wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
STOP letting thousands of immigrants in and there would be more jobs, simples.
mistake by me in saying "8 hours notice" which is meant to read "48 hours notice"!
Who care no one rea it anyway !!
Hey George why have you now suddenly got a full-stop next to your x?

Are you breaking the rules by using a different email address?


If you want I can change that for you by getting you banned again!
Do it you **** !!
Already have!!

Also is that a veiled threat off physical abuse towards me in one of your posts?

And apologies I honestly know we will not meet because you are not my type. I don't go for men, I am 100% straight.
[quote][p][bold]George X.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: STOP letting thousands of immigrants in and there would be more jobs, simples.[/p][/quote]mistake by me in saying "8 hours notice" which is meant to read "48 hours notice"![/p][/quote]Who care no one rea it anyway !![/p][/quote]Hey George why have you now suddenly got a full-stop next to your x? Are you breaking the rules by using a different email address? If you want I can change that for you by getting you banned again![/p][/quote]Do it you **** !![/p][/quote]Already have!! Also is that a veiled threat off physical abuse towards me in one of your posts? And apologies I honestly know we will not meet because you are not my type. I don't go for men, I am 100% straight. The Righteous One
  • Score: -1

3:49pm Sat 12 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

George X. wrote:
And i'll see you at the train station monday morning ...
No you won't as I am working from home until Wednesday and then off to Amsterdam for Kings Night and Day at the weekend!

http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/travel/destin
ations/europe/nether
lands/amsterdam/1002
0591/Amsterdam-how-t
o-celebrate-Kings-Da
y.html
[quote][p][bold]George X.[/bold] wrote: And i'll see you at the train station monday morning ...[/p][/quote]No you won't as I am working from home until Wednesday and then off to Amsterdam for Kings Night and Day at the weekend! http://www.telegraph .co.uk/travel/destin ations/europe/nether lands/amsterdam/1002 0591/Amsterdam-how-t o-celebrate-Kings-Da y.html The Righteous One
  • Score: -2

5:05pm Sat 12 Apr 14

JustBecause says...

Not sure why the girls are squabbling again, it's like a school playground in here.

As for the MP she should be retrained herself, how can a CV and registering on the gov website be a hurdle, it's only a hurdle to people who do t want to work, those that do will do this automatically.

The problem is that the people who work in the job centre and support services are as thick as ****, and are there to deal with Mr Smith the LNG time pisshead who will never ever get a job.

I NEVER use the job centre to advertise for positions, the absolute idiots we used to get responding was scary, and it was obvious at least 9 out of 10 were doing a paper exercise.
Not sure why the girls are squabbling again, it's like a school playground in here. As for the MP she should be retrained herself, how can a CV and registering on the gov website be a hurdle, it's only a hurdle to people who do t want to work, those that do will do this automatically. The problem is that the people who work in the job centre and support services are as thick as ****, and are there to deal with Mr Smith the LNG time pisshead who will never ever get a job. I NEVER use the job centre to advertise for positions, the absolute idiots we used to get responding was scary, and it was obvious at least 9 out of 10 were doing a paper exercise. JustBecause
  • Score: 0

5:40pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Gore Seer says...

Register Self Employed, What Happens Then?.
Register Self Employed, What Happens Then?. Gore Seer
  • Score: -1

6:01pm Sat 12 Apr 14

George X. says...

The Righteous One wrote:
George X. wrote:
And i'll see you at the train station monday morning ...
No you won't as I am working from home until Wednesday and then off to Amsterdam for Kings Night and Day at the weekend!

http://www.telegraph

.co.uk/travel/destin

ations/europe/nether

lands/amsterdam/1002

0591/Amsterdam-how-t

o-celebrate-Kings-Da

y.html
See you wednesday then.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X.[/bold] wrote: And i'll see you at the train station monday morning ...[/p][/quote]No you won't as I am working from home until Wednesday and then off to Amsterdam for Kings Night and Day at the weekend! http://www.telegraph .co.uk/travel/destin ations/europe/nether lands/amsterdam/1002 0591/Amsterdam-how-t o-celebrate-Kings-Da y.html[/p][/quote]See you wednesday then. George X.
  • Score: 0

9:12pm Sat 12 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

George X. wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
George X. wrote:
And i'll see you at the train station monday morning ...
No you won't as I am working from home until Wednesday and then off to Amsterdam for Kings Night and Day at the weekend!

http://www.telegraph


.co.uk/travel/destin


ations/europe/nether


lands/amsterdam/1002


0591/Amsterdam-how-t


o-celebrate-Kings-Da


y.html
See you wednesday then.
Not Wednesday either as I have a few meetings in East Lancashire.

But have to apologise as got my weeks mixed up - next weekend is Easter and will be visiting family, and then I am, again, working from home before going to Amsterdam on 25th for Kings Day!
[quote][p][bold]George X.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X.[/bold] wrote: And i'll see you at the train station monday morning ...[/p][/quote]No you won't as I am working from home until Wednesday and then off to Amsterdam for Kings Night and Day at the weekend! http://www.telegraph .co.uk/travel/destin ations/europe/nether lands/amsterdam/1002 0591/Amsterdam-how-t o-celebrate-Kings-Da y.html[/p][/quote]See you wednesday then.[/p][/quote]Not Wednesday either as I have a few meetings in East Lancashire. But have to apologise as got my weeks mixed up - next weekend is Easter and will be visiting family, and then I am, again, working from home before going to Amsterdam on 25th for Kings Day! The Righteous One
  • Score: 0

10:07am Sun 13 Apr 14

SleepingThunder says...

tr1kky wrote:
When I was unemployed, the first thing to go was the internet. I couldn't afford to pay it!
How do they expect people to apply for jobs via the internet when they can't afford the internet?
When it's a choice between paying for food,heat light or internet, your going to pick the essentials and internet is not an essential!
Their problem is they presume that in the 21st century, everyone has the latest gadgets etc, not everyone does and not everyone wants the pressure of monthly contracted internet! Basically it's acquiring another debt you might not be able to afford!
Hallelujah at last some one with some common sense.
My son was looking for a job & they had him jumping through hoops & it was me who used to force him to go.I did not realise how bad it was until i looked into it myself ,it is heartbreaking to see what these young ones are made to do a few weeks of that & you would have no self esteem left.

Its not what you know its who you know.
[quote][p][bold]tr1kky[/bold] wrote: When I was unemployed, the first thing to go was the internet. I couldn't afford to pay it! How do they expect people to apply for jobs via the internet when they can't afford the internet? When it's a choice between paying for food,heat light or internet, your going to pick the essentials and internet is not an essential! Their problem is they presume that in the 21st century, everyone has the latest gadgets etc, not everyone does and not everyone wants the pressure of monthly contracted internet! Basically it's acquiring another debt you might not be able to afford![/p][/quote]Hallelujah at last some one with some common sense. My son was looking for a job & they had him jumping through hoops & it was me who used to force him to go.I did not realise how bad it was until i looked into it myself ,it is heartbreaking to see what these young ones are made to do a few weeks of that & you would have no self esteem left. Its not what you know its who you know. SleepingThunder
  • Score: 0

7:32pm Mon 14 Apr 14

ncc_22 says...

the job centre treat people like dirt. I lost my job after a few years and had to sign on as i was even told to move out of my house but still kept my spirits high. i signed on for 4 weeks before i got fed up of walking out of there feeling the need to end my life. by the time i got my first pay cheque from my new job i was hundreds of pounds in debt with my sister. I still dont regret my decision to tell them to shve their benefits up their @$$
the job centre treat people like dirt. I lost my job after a few years and had to sign on as i was even told to move out of my house but still kept my spirits high. i signed on for 4 weeks before i got fed up of walking out of there feeling the need to end my life. by the time i got my first pay cheque from my new job i was hundreds of pounds in debt with my sister. I still dont regret my decision to tell them to shve their benefits up their @$$ ncc_22
  • Score: 0

8:43pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Andyroost says...

Simple Solution. stop the benefits that pay people for doing nothing, if the country tightened up the system it wouldnt be as lucrative to immigrants, We have a filthy borough, supply Bolton at Home with thousands of push along carts, Make it where half the unemployed are in the job clubs at morn and on the carts cleaning the borough in the afternoons and swap round at dinner time, that cleans the area, then let the council use the services of the unemployed to cut grass, paint old peoples home, apart from giving them self worth they would want to better themselves, then they can pay their way. secondly subsidise the self employed companies to take people on and top up their benefit without all the paperwork, Make the system less paperwork and more workable, Im self employed and there is loads of days were I could use extra hands but the system isnt workable so i manage.
Not Rocket Science
Simple Solution. stop the benefits that pay people for doing nothing, if the country tightened up the system it wouldnt be as lucrative to immigrants, We have a filthy borough, supply Bolton at Home with thousands of push along carts, Make it where half the unemployed are in the job clubs at morn and on the carts cleaning the borough in the afternoons and swap round at dinner time, that cleans the area, then let the council use the services of the unemployed to cut grass, paint old peoples home, apart from giving them self worth they would want to better themselves, then they can pay their way. secondly subsidise the self employed companies to take people on and top up their benefit without all the paperwork, Make the system less paperwork and more workable, Im self employed and there is loads of days were I could use extra hands but the system isnt workable so i manage. Not Rocket Science Andyroost
  • Score: 1

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