COMMENT: Fans' anger with Jermaine Beckford illustrates frustrations on terraces at Bolton Wanderers

Wanderers striker Jermaine Beckford

Wanderers striker Jermaine Beckford

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ON the face of it, Jermaine Beckford’s thumbs-up to the Leeds fans on Saturday was a simple affectionate gesture that would have hardly caused a flutter had the club been nestling safely in mid-table.

There is no disguising the affection the Whites striker still has for his former club, and vice-versa, and it was actually quite refreshing to see a player go back to his old haunt and not be booed like a pantomime villain.

But there were deeper-lying reasons for vitriolic reaction to Beckford’s on-pitch gesture, and his later salute to the home support, which was why Wanderers fans were still expressing their disappointment some 72 hours after the final whistle at Elland Road.

Many believe there has been a steady disconnection between the fans and their team since Premier League relegation.

Perhaps it was inevitable, given the wholesale changes made on and off the pitch which definitely make Bolton Wanderers a very different football club to be around than it was even two years ago.

For various reasons, but mainly financial, personnel have been moved on to make sure the club doesn’t follow a similar path to Leeds when they dropped out of the big time not so long ago.

Those austere measures come at a price, however, and it has been difficult for some fans to identify with Dougie Freedman’s much-changed squad during a dismal 12 months in the Championship.

Only Adam Bogdan, Mark Davies, Tim Ream, Josh Vela, Chung-Yong Lee, Darren Pratley and David Wheater remain from the side that dropped out of the Premier League, and that lack of historical connection is making it harder for the fans to identify.

You might argue the same can be said for the manager, another with no obvious Bolton link from the past, but with all signs pointing to him being in charge after the international break both the Scot and his players are going to have to try and mend some broken bridges quickly.

Freedman will be more annoyed than anyone that Beckford – who he had defended staunchly against jeers from the crowd just a week before – has counted controversy again.

You only wonder whether we would still be discussing the matter had he tucked away that late header to make the game all square.

A few sharp-minded fans have also flipped the situation on its head: What if Gary Cahill were to thank the Wanderers support mid-match when the club travel down to Stamford Bridge for their Capital One Cup match later this month? Chelsea fans have had much more to cheer in recent years, and that’s the key difference.

From top to bottom, Wanderers have to be mindful of a volatile situation, one that is starting to encroach on the same territory as the one Gary Megson faced in his final weeks in charge.

With two home games to come after the international break, the remedial work has to start here.

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11:01pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Paulsankey says...

I was there on Saturday, chasing the game, more interested in banging his chest than busting a gut to get an equalizer...bang out of order. Even Leeds fans we spoke to agreed
I was there on Saturday, chasing the game, more interested in banging his chest than busting a gut to get an equalizer...bang out of order. Even Leeds fans we spoke to agreed Paulsankey
  • Score: 10

7:03am Tue 2 Sep 14

David_J says...

Spot on Mark! There are more important matters to sort out rather than banging the drum about a so called gesture. The future of our club is at stake and the fans better start backing the players and fans in order to try to influence a turnaround in fortunes.
Spot on Mark! There are more important matters to sort out rather than banging the drum about a so called gesture. The future of our club is at stake and the fans better start backing the players and fans in order to try to influence a turnaround in fortunes. David_J
  • Score: 4

8:07am Tue 2 Sep 14

leyland white says...

Its Ok banging on about getting behind the team, The fans will do when the team gives them some sign of hope. What we have had over the last 12 months is mind numbingly boring disfunctional football. Set up by a manager who consistantly changes the team and plays people out of position. We have no talisman in the team, no leaders on the pitch and no structure to our play. When Freedman recognises this we then may be able to move forward.
As for Beckford, warm up or end of game - no problem, during game bang out of order.
Marc another down to earth article telling it as it is.
Its Ok banging on about getting behind the team, The fans will do when the team gives them some sign of hope. What we have had over the last 12 months is mind numbingly boring disfunctional football. Set up by a manager who consistantly changes the team and plays people out of position. We have no talisman in the team, no leaders on the pitch and no structure to our play. When Freedman recognises this we then may be able to move forward. As for Beckford, warm up or end of game - no problem, during game bang out of order. Marc another down to earth article telling it as it is. leyland white
  • Score: 37

8:33am Tue 2 Sep 14

Nat's lad says...

Say what you like about Freedman; at least he has developed the younger players, just like he said he would. Has he? name one.

Freedman, is like those people you see in every line of work. They say the things the bosses like to hear to get the job. Then they do what suits them.

Complete charlatan.
Say what you like about Freedman; at least he has developed the younger players, just like he said he would. Has he? name one. Freedman, is like those people you see in every line of work. They say the things the bosses like to hear to get the job. Then they do what suits them. Complete charlatan. Nat's lad
  • Score: 26

9:31am Tue 2 Sep 14

clawhand says...

until phil dick turpin gartside and dougie tactics positive freedman are gone the club will be dropping out of the championship.......g
artside is the main problem of our decline and freedman has took us back 25 years to the phil neal days.......they will be biulding an aldi or a netto on the corner of the reebok next......no wonder the fans are unhappy we pay good money to watch that bobbins every week.....
until phil dick turpin gartside and dougie tactics positive freedman are gone the club will be dropping out of the championship.......g artside is the main problem of our decline and freedman has took us back 25 years to the phil neal days.......they will be biulding an aldi or a netto on the corner of the reebok next......no wonder the fans are unhappy we pay good money to watch that bobbins every week..... clawhand
  • Score: 10

10:50am Tue 2 Sep 14

David_J says...

leyland white wrote:
Its Ok banging on about getting behind the team, The fans will do when the team gives them some sign of hope. What we have had over the last 12 months is mind numbingly boring disfunctional football. Set up by a manager who consistantly changes the team and plays people out of position. We have no talisman in the team, no leaders on the pitch and no structure to our play. When Freedman recognises this we then may be able to move forward. As for Beckford, warm up or end of game - no problem, during game bang out of order. Marc another down to earth article telling it as it is.
If you dont get behind the team YOU will be responsible for contributing to their downfall. We should support and encourage any personnel representing our beloved Bolton Wanderers!
[quote][p][bold]leyland white[/bold] wrote: Its Ok banging on about getting behind the team, The fans will do when the team gives them some sign of hope. What we have had over the last 12 months is mind numbingly boring disfunctional football. Set up by a manager who consistantly changes the team and plays people out of position. We have no talisman in the team, no leaders on the pitch and no structure to our play. When Freedman recognises this we then may be able to move forward. As for Beckford, warm up or end of game - no problem, during game bang out of order. Marc another down to earth article telling it as it is.[/p][/quote]If you dont get behind the team YOU will be responsible for contributing to their downfall. We should support and encourage any personnel representing our beloved Bolton Wanderers! David_J
  • Score: -15

11:19am Tue 2 Sep 14

mrs philainsy says...

it was actually quite refreshing to see a player go back to his old haunt and not be booed like a pantomime villain.




Ooooooh no it isn't!!!
Well not according to the Bwfc Fans anyway.

It was a Thumbs Up to his old fans on his old stomping ground - get over it.
it was actually quite refreshing to see a player go back to his old haunt and not be booed like a pantomime villain. Ooooooh no it isn't!!! Well not according to the Bwfc Fans anyway. It was a Thumbs Up to his old fans on his old stomping ground - get over it. mrs philainsy
  • Score: -11

11:27am Tue 2 Sep 14

Balboa says...

A relatively minor gesture by our highest profile striker, and it brings waves of criticism from some fans - shows the level of tension among fans eager to see the club perform better in all departments.
A relatively minor gesture by our highest profile striker, and it brings waves of criticism from some fans - shows the level of tension among fans eager to see the club perform better in all departments. Balboa
  • Score: 6

11:41am Tue 2 Sep 14

wressleturbine says...

For 15 mins the small(in comparison to last season) number of Whites fans cheered on their team up to the first goal. But even before then, against a team dumped by Bradford not days earlier, it was clear DF had no plan. Spearing and Medo waving their arms at a bench, unable to comprehend what to do....what planning was involved there? A defence with more holes than chicken wire despite playing 6 at the back. And then Beckford, who earns more in a month than I do in a year, given 20 minutes to perform and instead(cos he certainly didn't perform) decides to wave to his Leeds mates instead. It cost me £100 for me and the lad on Saturday, to watch 11 individuals trot aimless around some grass with no commitment or passion, so I'll boo and taunt to my hearts content!!
For 15 mins the small(in comparison to last season) number of Whites fans cheered on their team up to the first goal. But even before then, against a team dumped by Bradford not days earlier, it was clear DF had no plan. Spearing and Medo waving their arms at a bench, unable to comprehend what to do....what planning was involved there? A defence with more holes than chicken wire despite playing 6 at the back. And then Beckford, who earns more in a month than I do in a year, given 20 minutes to perform and instead(cos he certainly didn't perform) decides to wave to his Leeds mates instead. It cost me £100 for me and the lad on Saturday, to watch 11 individuals trot aimless around some grass with no commitment or passion, so I'll boo and taunt to my hearts content!! wressleturbine
  • Score: 46

12:13pm Tue 2 Sep 14

leyland white says...

David_J wrote:
leyland white wrote:
Its Ok banging on about getting behind the team, The fans will do when the team gives them some sign of hope. What we have had over the last 12 months is mind numbingly boring disfunctional football. Set up by a manager who consistantly changes the team and plays people out of position. We have no talisman in the team, no leaders on the pitch and no structure to our play. When Freedman recognises this we then may be able to move forward. As for Beckford, warm up or end of game - no problem, during game bang out of order. Marc another down to earth article telling it as it is.
If you dont get behind the team YOU will be responsible for contributing to their downfall. We should support and encourage any personnel representing our beloved Bolton Wanderers!
David.

Read what I have written. Where you there against the Boro?. The drummers drummed, the players wanderered round like lost souls the fans sat in silence perplexed in what they were watching. Its down to the team to give us something, a spark, anything instead of the same old Dougies aimless football. There is a rift between the management and supporters as Marc Illes has stated boardering on Megson-esc proportions except with Megson they got behind the team with Dougie he is killing it completely.
[quote][p][bold]David_J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]leyland white[/bold] wrote: Its Ok banging on about getting behind the team, The fans will do when the team gives them some sign of hope. What we have had over the last 12 months is mind numbingly boring disfunctional football. Set up by a manager who consistantly changes the team and plays people out of position. We have no talisman in the team, no leaders on the pitch and no structure to our play. When Freedman recognises this we then may be able to move forward. As for Beckford, warm up or end of game - no problem, during game bang out of order. Marc another down to earth article telling it as it is.[/p][/quote]If you dont get behind the team YOU will be responsible for contributing to their downfall. We should support and encourage any personnel representing our beloved Bolton Wanderers![/p][/quote]David. Read what I have written. Where you there against the Boro?. The drummers drummed, the players wanderered round like lost souls the fans sat in silence perplexed in what they were watching. Its down to the team to give us something, a spark, anything instead of the same old Dougies aimless football. There is a rift between the management and supporters as Marc Illes has stated boardering on Megson-esc proportions except with Megson they got behind the team with Dougie he is killing it completely. leyland white
  • Score: 13

12:15pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Ethiopian says...

Allowing for an almost complete lack of any sense of direction, on his part, maybe Beckford was signalling to the Bolton fans?
Allowing for an almost complete lack of any sense of direction, on his part, maybe Beckford was signalling to the Bolton fans? Ethiopian
  • Score: 17

12:43pm Tue 2 Sep 14

David_J says...

leyland white wrote:
David_J wrote:
leyland white wrote: Its Ok banging on about getting behind the team, The fans will do when the team gives them some sign of hope. What we have had over the last 12 months is mind numbingly boring disfunctional football. Set up by a manager who consistantly changes the team and plays people out of position. We have no talisman in the team, no leaders on the pitch and no structure to our play. When Freedman recognises this we then may be able to move forward. As for Beckford, warm up or end of game - no problem, during game bang out of order. Marc another down to earth article telling it as it is.
If you dont get behind the team YOU will be responsible for contributing to their downfall. We should support and encourage any personnel representing our beloved Bolton Wanderers!
David. Read what I have written. Where you there against the Boro?. The drummers drummed, the players wanderered round like lost souls the fans sat in silence perplexed in what they were watching. Its down to the team to give us something, a spark, anything instead of the same old Dougies aimless football. There is a rift between the management and supporters as Marc Illes has stated boardering on Megson-esc proportions except with Megson they got behind the team with Dougie he is killing it completely.
Yes I am at every game but all the fans need to encourage the team whoever is playing whether you like them or not. If not, you will discourage them, confidence and motivation will go lower than ever. That will drag the team down. There may have been drummers at Boro but there was also much ridiculing of manager and players - that's no good whatsoever!
[quote][p][bold]leyland white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]leyland white[/bold] wrote: Its Ok banging on about getting behind the team, The fans will do when the team gives them some sign of hope. What we have had over the last 12 months is mind numbingly boring disfunctional football. Set up by a manager who consistantly changes the team and plays people out of position. We have no talisman in the team, no leaders on the pitch and no structure to our play. When Freedman recognises this we then may be able to move forward. As for Beckford, warm up or end of game - no problem, during game bang out of order. Marc another down to earth article telling it as it is.[/p][/quote]If you dont get behind the team YOU will be responsible for contributing to their downfall. We should support and encourage any personnel representing our beloved Bolton Wanderers![/p][/quote]David. Read what I have written. Where you there against the Boro?. The drummers drummed, the players wanderered round like lost souls the fans sat in silence perplexed in what they were watching. Its down to the team to give us something, a spark, anything instead of the same old Dougies aimless football. There is a rift between the management and supporters as Marc Illes has stated boardering on Megson-esc proportions except with Megson they got behind the team with Dougie he is killing it completely.[/p][/quote]Yes I am at every game but all the fans need to encourage the team whoever is playing whether you like them or not. If not, you will discourage them, confidence and motivation will go lower than ever. That will drag the team down. There may have been drummers at Boro but there was also much ridiculing of manager and players - that's no good whatsoever! David_J
  • Score: -16

12:45pm Tue 2 Sep 14

David_J says...

wressleturbine wrote:
For 15 mins the small(in comparison to last season) number of Whites fans cheered on their team up to the first goal. But even before then, against a team dumped by Bradford not days earlier, it was clear DF had no plan. Spearing and Medo waving their arms at a bench, unable to comprehend what to do....what planning was involved there? A defence with more holes than chicken wire despite playing 6 at the back. And then Beckford, who earns more in a month than I do in a year, given 20 minutes to perform and instead(cos he certainly didn't perform) decides to wave to his Leeds mates instead. It cost me £100 for me and the lad on Saturday, to watch 11 individuals trot aimless around some grass with no commitment or passion, so I'll boo and taunt to my hearts content!!
Thats a ridiculous comment. If you want to boo and taunt, go and do it at another club.
[quote][p][bold]wressleturbine[/bold] wrote: For 15 mins the small(in comparison to last season) number of Whites fans cheered on their team up to the first goal. But even before then, against a team dumped by Bradford not days earlier, it was clear DF had no plan. Spearing and Medo waving their arms at a bench, unable to comprehend what to do....what planning was involved there? A defence with more holes than chicken wire despite playing 6 at the back. And then Beckford, who earns more in a month than I do in a year, given 20 minutes to perform and instead(cos he certainly didn't perform) decides to wave to his Leeds mates instead. It cost me £100 for me and the lad on Saturday, to watch 11 individuals trot aimless around some grass with no commitment or passion, so I'll boo and taunt to my hearts content!![/p][/quote]Thats a ridiculous comment. If you want to boo and taunt, go and do it at another club. David_J
  • Score: -21

12:50pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Culsh123 says...

The same fans are moaning about a small Beckford wave ,but they would have laughing when diouffy did it at Sunderland a few years ago when they were singing diouffy is a wanderer time some of our fickle fans grew up
The same fans are moaning about a small Beckford wave ,but they would have laughing when diouffy did it at Sunderland a few years ago when they were singing diouffy is a wanderer time some of our fickle fans grew up Culsh123
  • Score: 3

1:02pm Tue 2 Sep 14

cliff4treasurer says...

Another transfer deadline passes and despite the only thing we all agree on (we need fresh blood) we get non.
I watched the tickertape go round on sky sports one hoping Bolton's name would appear but went to bet at 23.05 as disappointed as usual.
No one in no one out yawn yawn I have to stop doing this every transfer deadline day as I know the outcome.
Welcome to the superwhites fan club.
Another transfer deadline passes and despite the only thing we all agree on (we need fresh blood) we get non. I watched the tickertape go round on sky sports one hoping Bolton's name would appear but went to bet at 23.05 as disappointed as usual. No one in no one out yawn yawn I have to stop doing this every transfer deadline day as I know the outcome. Welcome to the superwhites fan club. cliff4treasurer
  • Score: 6

1:12pm Tue 2 Sep 14

wressleturbine says...

David_J - just for clarity and all that, where you there on Saturday, or perhaps at Crewe during the week? I ask only to put my 'ridiculous' comment into some kind of prospective, as you are clearly our number one fan, devoted and blinded by the light that shines....
David_J - just for clarity and all that, where you there on Saturday, or perhaps at Crewe during the week? I ask only to put my 'ridiculous' comment into some kind of prospective, as you are clearly our number one fan, devoted and blinded by the light that shines.... wressleturbine
  • Score: 2

2:02pm Tue 2 Sep 14

stevethewanderer says...

Top a bottom is the players are payed fantastic amounts of money ! If they try and lose I can accept that. But as of late I see no gut busting commitment to the cause whatever team system df chooses the players no what to do a what is expected. We pay our money we have the right to praise and criticize ! The players should pick up on what's coming at them and they then should give it all for Bwfc and it's supporters !
Top a bottom is the players are payed fantastic amounts of money ! If they try and lose I can accept that. But as of late I see no gut busting commitment to the cause whatever team system df chooses the players no what to do a what is expected. We pay our money we have the right to praise and criticize ! The players should pick up on what's coming at them and they then should give it all for Bwfc and it's supporters ! stevethewanderer
  • Score: 8

3:58pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Big Joseph says...

The gesture isn't the big issue here it is the lack of composure & quality he shows in front goal and the way he walks around the pitch as if he is carrying a couple of rolls of carpets.......
The gesture isn't the big issue here it is the lack of composure & quality he shows in front goal and the way he walks around the pitch as if he is carrying a couple of rolls of carpets....... Big Joseph
  • Score: 7

4:26pm Tue 2 Sep 14

clawhand says...

5 games in..... 1 piont from 15 and 6 of the bolton players including the captain are on the lash in ibiza and the manager is with scotland u 19s........says it all about the club really shocking............
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5 games in..... 1 piont from 15 and 6 of the bolton players including the captain are on the lash in ibiza and the manager is with scotland u 19s........says it all about the club really shocking............ .. clawhand
  • Score: 16

5:34pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Riggermortis says...

If we had a team we would all get behind them but kellys hero,s doesn't, work with football. Get a bunch of free transfers and you get what we have got
If we had a team we would all get behind them but kellys hero,s doesn't, work with football. Get a bunch of free transfers and you get what we have got Riggermortis
  • Score: 3

6:58pm Tue 2 Sep 14

bwfc2003 says...

clawhand wrote:
5 games in..... 1 piont from 15 and 6 of the bolton players including the captain are on the lash in ibiza and the manager is with scotland u 19s........says it all about the club really shocking............

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The players should be sweating there **** off on the training pitch this week - not having a jolly boys **** up in Ibiza - and with the manager they should be trying to put things right.
May help if they put there shirts on back to front then team mates may recognise them - because at the moment they play like a bunch of strangers
[quote][p][bold]clawhand[/bold] wrote: 5 games in..... 1 piont from 15 and 6 of the bolton players including the captain are on the lash in ibiza and the manager is with scotland u 19s........says it all about the club really shocking............ ..[/p][/quote]The players should be sweating there **** off on the training pitch this week - not having a jolly boys **** up in Ibiza - and with the manager they should be trying to put things right. May help if they put there shirts on back to front then team mates may recognise them - because at the moment they play like a bunch of strangers bwfc2003
  • Score: 7

7:24pm Tue 2 Sep 14

bw8410 says...

Beckford's attitude and intentions whether good or bad to the Bolton support is not of concern at the moment. What surely must be priority is how Bolton can score enough goals and keep enough clean sheets throughout course of the season and aim for the top six. With 40 matches to play, anything is possible with consistency in player selections players deemed to be the strongest XI who know their roles and have the mentality to commit with passion for 90 minutes. It is worrying that Dougie Freedman changes the line-up for every match based on fitness and not form. It is also worrying that he wants the mentality of the team to be patient and edge a 1-0 win each game. I understand he was brought in to lower the wage bill, develop the youth and bring an element of stability and control to the club moving forward, but he surely needs to change his patient approach to games because when Bolton are losing, it's no good attacking in the last 10 minutes when time is running out when you have had 80 minutes to attack and try to score 2 or 3 goals! Aim to score these goals in the first half and the defence will gain confidence from it.
Beckford's attitude and intentions whether good or bad to the Bolton support is not of concern at the moment. What surely must be priority is how Bolton can score enough goals and keep enough clean sheets throughout course of the season and aim for the top six. With 40 matches to play, anything is possible with consistency in player selections players deemed to be the strongest XI who know their roles and have the mentality to commit with passion for 90 minutes. It is worrying that Dougie Freedman changes the line-up for every match based on fitness and not form. It is also worrying that he wants the mentality of the team to be patient and edge a 1-0 win each game. I understand he was brought in to lower the wage bill, develop the youth and bring an element of stability and control to the club moving forward, but he surely needs to change his patient approach to games because when Bolton are losing, it's no good attacking in the last 10 minutes when time is running out when you have had 80 minutes to attack and try to score 2 or 3 goals! Aim to score these goals in the first half and the defence will gain confidence from it. bw8410
  • Score: 3

7:25pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Ernagy2 says...

bwfc2003 wrote:
clawhand wrote:
5 games in..... 1 piont from 15 and 6 of the bolton players including the captain are on the lash in ibiza and the manager is with scotland u 19s........says it all about the club really shocking............


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The players should be sweating there **** off on the training pitch this week - not having a jolly boys **** up in Ibiza - and with the manager they should be trying to put things right.
May help if they put there shirts on back to front then team mates may recognise them - because at the moment they play like a bunch of strangers
Well I was surprised Freedman didn't have them in for Sunday training already. To have time to go on holiday - just beggars belief.
[quote][p][bold]bwfc2003[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clawhand[/bold] wrote: 5 games in..... 1 piont from 15 and 6 of the bolton players including the captain are on the lash in ibiza and the manager is with scotland u 19s........says it all about the club really shocking............ ..[/p][/quote]The players should be sweating there **** off on the training pitch this week - not having a jolly boys **** up in Ibiza - and with the manager they should be trying to put things right. May help if they put there shirts on back to front then team mates may recognise them - because at the moment they play like a bunch of strangers[/p][/quote]Well I was surprised Freedman didn't have them in for Sunday training already. To have time to go on holiday - just beggars belief. Ernagy2
  • Score: 5

9:18pm Tue 2 Sep 14

bluemeanie63 says...

Just goes to show what a small time club, with narrow minded supporters, BOlton have become. A player goes back to one of his old clubs, applauds the fans, yet this is totally abhorrent to the Bolton fans, well no wonder the player is going to leave you, and I hope he comes back and scores a hat trick at the macaroni stadium on his return, you Bolton fans will reap what you sow, hopefully relegation

And I'm not a supporter of any club from manchester
Just goes to show what a small time club, with narrow minded supporters, BOlton have become. A player goes back to one of his old clubs, applauds the fans, yet this is totally abhorrent to the Bolton fans, well no wonder the player is going to leave you, and I hope he comes back and scores a hat trick at the macaroni stadium on his return, you Bolton fans will reap what you sow, hopefully relegation And I'm not a supporter of any club from manchester bluemeanie63
  • Score: -9

9:53pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Boltonmonkey says...

David_J wrote:
wressleturbine wrote:
For 15 mins the small(in comparison to last season) number of Whites fans cheered on their team up to the first goal. But even before then, against a team dumped by Bradford not days earlier, it was clear DF had no plan. Spearing and Medo waving their arms at a bench, unable to comprehend what to do....what planning was involved there? A defence with more holes than chicken wire despite playing 6 at the back. And then Beckford, who earns more in a month than I do in a year, given 20 minutes to perform and instead(cos he certainly didn't perform) decides to wave to his Leeds mates instead. It cost me £100 for me and the lad on Saturday, to watch 11 individuals trot aimless around some grass with no commitment or passion, so I'll boo and taunt to my hearts content!!
Thats a ridiculous comment. If you want to boo and taunt, go and do it at another club.
It's easy to stay positive in an armchair.
[quote][p][bold]David_J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wressleturbine[/bold] wrote: For 15 mins the small(in comparison to last season) number of Whites fans cheered on their team up to the first goal. But even before then, against a team dumped by Bradford not days earlier, it was clear DF had no plan. Spearing and Medo waving their arms at a bench, unable to comprehend what to do....what planning was involved there? A defence with more holes than chicken wire despite playing 6 at the back. And then Beckford, who earns more in a month than I do in a year, given 20 minutes to perform and instead(cos he certainly didn't perform) decides to wave to his Leeds mates instead. It cost me £100 for me and the lad on Saturday, to watch 11 individuals trot aimless around some grass with no commitment or passion, so I'll boo and taunt to my hearts content!![/p][/quote]Thats a ridiculous comment. If you want to boo and taunt, go and do it at another club.[/p][/quote]It's easy to stay positive in an armchair. Boltonmonkey
  • Score: 2

10:07pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Boltonmonkey says...

Well, I've read and absorbed the torrent of informed comment on here. Very interesting, I'm sure.
Let's all be clear though, whilst his hand gesture annoyed me as much as it was thought of as high jinks or horseplay by others, the fact that we are all debating it with such passion is interesting in itself.
We all know something is wrong and we look for signs everywhere.
Truth is, the managers ineptitude, the players lack of care and the division in the fans are symptoms of a larger issue.
My guess is that playing staff have a better idea than we do about the exact nature of our predicament as a club.
We have no money...really, no money. And to make matters worse, gartside and Davies are free to skim money off the top with their less than kosher "loans".
Let's all ask a question.
where the **** has all the money gone?
They need exposing.
Parasites, they'll suck bwfc dry and then disappear leaving the husk of a once great club in league 2.
Look at the bigger picture everyone. Stop squabbling about the football or Beckfords thumb, get organised and ask the real question.
Well, I've read and absorbed the torrent of informed comment on here. Very interesting, I'm sure. Let's all be clear though, whilst his hand gesture annoyed me as much as it was thought of as high jinks or horseplay by others, the fact that we are all debating it with such passion is interesting in itself. We all know something is wrong and we look for signs everywhere. Truth is, the managers ineptitude, the players lack of care and the division in the fans are symptoms of a larger issue. My guess is that playing staff have a better idea than we do about the exact nature of our predicament as a club. We have no money...really, no money. And to make matters worse, gartside and Davies are free to skim money off the top with their less than kosher "loans". Let's all ask a question. where the **** has all the money gone? They need exposing. Parasites, they'll suck bwfc dry and then disappear leaving the husk of a once great club in league 2. Look at the bigger picture everyone. Stop squabbling about the football or Beckfords thumb, get organised and ask the real question. Boltonmonkey
  • Score: 8

9:03am Wed 3 Sep 14

Culsh123 says...

A lot of this goes back to coyle regarding players ,sign championship players knight mears and eagles and that's were you end up, I have noticed the players mentioned have not got clubs and coyle isn't in management .
Nd
A lot of this goes back to coyle regarding players ,sign championship players knight mears and eagles and that's were you end up, I have noticed the players mentioned have not got clubs and coyle isn't in management . Nd Culsh123
  • Score: 4

9:20am Wed 3 Sep 14

stevethewanderer says...

bluemeanie63 wrote:
Just goes to show what a small time club, with narrow minded supporters, BOlton have become. A player goes back to one of his old clubs, applauds the fans, yet this is totally abhorrent to the Bolton fans, well no wonder the player is going to leave you, and I hope he comes back and scores a hat trick at the macaroni stadium on his return, you Bolton fans will reap what you sow, hopefully relegation

And I'm not a supporter of any club from manchester
Then go a concentrate on your own club. You clearly have no idea what we fans have had to endure !. I comment on my own club no one else's.
[quote][p][bold]bluemeanie63[/bold] wrote: Just goes to show what a small time club, with narrow minded supporters, BOlton have become. A player goes back to one of his old clubs, applauds the fans, yet this is totally abhorrent to the Bolton fans, well no wonder the player is going to leave you, and I hope he comes back and scores a hat trick at the macaroni stadium on his return, you Bolton fans will reap what you sow, hopefully relegation And I'm not a supporter of any club from manchester[/p][/quote]Then go a concentrate on your own club. You clearly have no idea what we fans have had to endure !. I comment on my own club no one else's. stevethewanderer
  • Score: 10

4:38pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Liamdog says...

bluemeanie63 wrote:
Just goes to show what a small time club, with narrow minded supporters, BOlton have become. A player goes back to one of his old clubs, applauds the fans, yet this is totally abhorrent to the Bolton fans, well no wonder the player is going to leave you, and I hope he comes back and scores a hat trick at the macaroni stadium on his return, you Bolton fans will reap what you sow, hopefully relegation

And I'm not a supporter of any club from manchester
What are you , just some prat who wants to wind everyone up with your spineless comments hidden behind a screen which you wouldn't dare voice publicly .
[quote][p][bold]bluemeanie63[/bold] wrote: Just goes to show what a small time club, with narrow minded supporters, BOlton have become. A player goes back to one of his old clubs, applauds the fans, yet this is totally abhorrent to the Bolton fans, well no wonder the player is going to leave you, and I hope he comes back and scores a hat trick at the macaroni stadium on his return, you Bolton fans will reap what you sow, hopefully relegation And I'm not a supporter of any club from manchester[/p][/quote]What are you , just some prat who wants to wind everyone up with your spineless comments hidden behind a screen which you wouldn't dare voice publicly . Liamdog
  • Score: 2

10:03pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Cynic_Al_14 says...

Whats going on? Stayed up till past deadline and still not heard if Fulham signed Beckford? I'm guessing not but now thinking theres no way he can come back into the fold now. So expect him to be gone out on loan. Which makes little sense to me unless we have a striker coming in on less than £10k a week(which is reported) Sure we could still get £750K for him. There was a spell last season where he scored in a lot of games(then got "rotated") Can see him scoring goals in this league for most other clubs to be honest.
Whats going on? Stayed up till past deadline and still not heard if Fulham signed Beckford? I'm guessing not but now thinking theres no way he can come back into the fold now. So expect him to be gone out on loan. Which makes little sense to me unless we have a striker coming in on less than £10k a week(which is reported) Sure we could still get £750K for him. There was a spell last season where he scored in a lot of games(then got "rotated") Can see him scoring goals in this league for most other clubs to be honest. Cynic_Al_14
  • Score: 0

11:54pm Wed 3 Sep 14

garyarms says...

bw8410 wrote:
Beckford's attitude and intentions whether good or bad to the Bolton support is not of concern at the moment. What surely must be priority is how Bolton can score enough goals and keep enough clean sheets throughout course of the season and aim for the top six. With 40 matches to play, anything is possible with consistency in player selections players deemed to be the strongest XI who know their roles and have the mentality to commit with passion for 90 minutes. It is worrying that Dougie Freedman changes the line-up for every match based on fitness and not form. It is also worrying that he wants the mentality of the team to be patient and edge a 1-0 win each game. I understand he was brought in to lower the wage bill, develop the youth and bring an element of stability and control to the club moving forward, but he surely needs to change his patient approach to games because when Bolton are losing, it's no good attacking in the last 10 minutes when time is running out when you have had 80 minutes to attack and try to score 2 or 3 goals! Aim to score these goals in the first half and the defence will gain confidence from it.
Here's a few talking points.
1) Beckford waved to the Leeds fans from the bench , before entering the field of play. There was no need for the thumbs up gesture, the fans had been acknowledged. My opinion is that someone should have given him a rollicking for doing it from the bench and told him to wait until after the game.
2) Freedman did a great job at Palace, over a period of time. Not every signing will work but if you get a few saleable players along the way then it brings money into the club. Something that is obviously not there now.
3) Big Sam achieved on the field success but as a business it was suicidal. He brought players in on free transfers at the end of their careers, paid high wages out but didn't have any saleable assets . It is a plan that is doomed to fail, unless you can bring young players through at the same time. Not enough made the grade during Sams tenure. that leaves the club totally reliant on money generated within the club.
4) Owen Coyle had a philosophy of bringing players he knew and trusted.......unfort
unately he didn't seem to know many players, which left a very limited pool of players to choose from. He must have used Big Sams wage structure, which wasn't warranted with the calibre of player he was bringing to the club. the players weren't good enough and he paid the price. Unfortunately so have the club, being left with high wages for mediocre players who DF has only just managed to get rid of.
5) After the first relegation from the premier league Gartside said something like " Ticket prices are going up because we are £££'s in debt and we have lost £30 million (per season) revenue by being relegated ".
The hotel and offices were supposed to wipe out the initial debt of the stadium. Player sales far outweighed acquisitions and we had many years of premier league income. Why are we now so much in debt?
Attendances are, on average, at least 8,000 per game less than they were in the prem. We have an unheard of sponsor (probably paying next to nothing for it)
It makes you wonder if the commercial department is so inept or if there is some other reason big business do not want to associate with BWFC.

In summary, BWFC have not got a penny to spend. This has to be counted as DF's first season in charge. His remit was financial stability , even at the expense of the team. He is bringing players in for next to nothing and he is moving them around to try to get the best he can out of them, maybe trying to find their best position. He does things that a lot of fans will not understand as we are not privvy to all the information.
His win percentage at BWFC is marginally better than he had at Palace and look where they were when he left.
Personally I would bet he has a compensation clause written into his contract, far greater than his contract alone. His reputation was going to be tarnished given the job he had to do to get the club financially stable. He knew he would be unpopular with the fans, and there was always going to be a chance he would be sacked . He may never work in football again if he leaves now, having taken us from promotion candidates to the brink of relegation. He is clever enough to have seen that, and placed safeguards against it. Like it or not Dougie is here for the foreseeable future. Get behind him and the club the best you can, and if you want to aim criticism at the club, then it should be aimed squarely at the financial department, not the man who has put his own reputation on the line to save the club.
[quote][p][bold]bw8410[/bold] wrote: Beckford's attitude and intentions whether good or bad to the Bolton support is not of concern at the moment. What surely must be priority is how Bolton can score enough goals and keep enough clean sheets throughout course of the season and aim for the top six. With 40 matches to play, anything is possible with consistency in player selections players deemed to be the strongest XI who know their roles and have the mentality to commit with passion for 90 minutes. It is worrying that Dougie Freedman changes the line-up for every match based on fitness and not form. It is also worrying that he wants the mentality of the team to be patient and edge a 1-0 win each game. I understand he was brought in to lower the wage bill, develop the youth and bring an element of stability and control to the club moving forward, but he surely needs to change his patient approach to games because when Bolton are losing, it's no good attacking in the last 10 minutes when time is running out when you have had 80 minutes to attack and try to score 2 or 3 goals! Aim to score these goals in the first half and the defence will gain confidence from it.[/p][/quote]Here's a few talking points. 1) Beckford waved to the Leeds fans from the bench , before entering the field of play. There was no need for the thumbs up gesture, the fans had been acknowledged. My opinion is that someone should have given him a rollicking for doing it from the bench and told him to wait until after the game. 2) Freedman did a great job at Palace, over a period of time. Not every signing will work but if you get a few saleable players along the way then it brings money into the club. Something that is obviously not there now. 3) Big Sam achieved on the field success but as a business it was suicidal. He brought players in on free transfers at the end of their careers, paid high wages out but didn't have any saleable assets . It is a plan that is doomed to fail, unless you can bring young players through at the same time. Not enough made the grade during Sams tenure. that leaves the club totally reliant on money generated within the club. 4) Owen Coyle had a philosophy of bringing players he knew and trusted.......unfort unately he didn't seem to know many players, which left a very limited pool of players to choose from. He must have used Big Sams wage structure, which wasn't warranted with the calibre of player he was bringing to the club. the players weren't good enough and he paid the price. Unfortunately so have the club, being left with high wages for mediocre players who DF has only just managed to get rid of. 5) After the first relegation from the premier league Gartside said something like " Ticket prices are going up because we are £££'s in debt and we have lost £30 million (per season) revenue by being relegated ". The hotel and offices were supposed to wipe out the initial debt of the stadium. Player sales far outweighed acquisitions and we had many years of premier league income. Why are we now so much in debt? Attendances are, on average, at least 8,000 per game less than they were in the prem. We have an unheard of sponsor (probably paying next to nothing for it) It makes you wonder if the commercial department is so inept or if there is some other reason big business do not want to associate with BWFC. In summary, BWFC have not got a penny to spend. This has to be counted as DF's first season in charge. His remit was financial stability , even at the expense of the team. He is bringing players in for next to nothing and he is moving them around to try to get the best he can out of them, maybe trying to find their best position. He does things that a lot of fans will not understand as we are not privvy to all the information. His win percentage at BWFC is marginally better than he had at Palace and look where they were when he left. Personally I would bet he has a compensation clause written into his contract, far greater than his contract alone. His reputation was going to be tarnished given the job he had to do to get the club financially stable. He knew he would be unpopular with the fans, and there was always going to be a chance he would be sacked . He may never work in football again if he leaves now, having taken us from promotion candidates to the brink of relegation. He is clever enough to have seen that, and placed safeguards against it. Like it or not Dougie is here for the foreseeable future. Get behind him and the club the best you can, and if you want to aim criticism at the club, then it should be aimed squarely at the financial department, not the man who has put his own reputation on the line to save the club. garyarms
  • Score: 0

12:00am Thu 4 Sep 14

garyarms says...

garyarms wrote:
bw8410 wrote:
Beckford's attitude and intentions whether good or bad to the Bolton support is not of concern at the moment. What surely must be priority is how Bolton can score enough goals and keep enough clean sheets throughout course of the season and aim for the top six. With 40 matches to play, anything is possible with consistency in player selections players deemed to be the strongest XI who know their roles and have the mentality to commit with passion for 90 minutes. It is worrying that Dougie Freedman changes the line-up for every match based on fitness and not form. It is also worrying that he wants the mentality of the team to be patient and edge a 1-0 win each game. I understand he was brought in to lower the wage bill, develop the youth and bring an element of stability and control to the club moving forward, but he surely needs to change his patient approach to games because when Bolton are losing, it's no good attacking in the last 10 minutes when time is running out when you have had 80 minutes to attack and try to score 2 or 3 goals! Aim to score these goals in the first half and the defence will gain confidence from it.
Here's a few talking points.
1) Beckford waved to the Leeds fans from the bench , before entering the field of play. There was no need for the thumbs up gesture, the fans had been acknowledged. My opinion is that someone should have given him a rollicking for doing it from the bench and told him to wait until after the game.
2) Freedman did a great job at Palace, over a period of time. Not every signing will work but if you get a few saleable players along the way then it brings money into the club. Something that is obviously not there now.
3) Big Sam achieved on the field success but as a business it was suicidal. He brought players in on free transfers at the end of their careers, paid high wages out but didn't have any saleable assets . It is a plan that is doomed to fail, unless you can bring young players through at the same time. Not enough made the grade during Sams tenure. that leaves the club totally reliant on money generated within the club.
4) Owen Coyle had a philosophy of bringing players he knew and trusted.......unfort

unately he didn't seem to know many players, which left a very limited pool of players to choose from. He must have used Big Sams wage structure, which wasn't warranted with the calibre of player he was bringing to the club. the players weren't good enough and he paid the price. Unfortunately so have the club, being left with high wages for mediocre players who DF has only just managed to get rid of.
5) After the first relegation from the premier league Gartside said something like " Ticket prices are going up because we are £££'s in debt and we have lost £30 million (per season) revenue by being relegated ".
The hotel and offices were supposed to wipe out the initial debt of the stadium. Player sales far outweighed acquisitions and we had many years of premier league income. Why are we now so much in debt?
Attendances are, on average, at least 8,000 per game less than they were in the prem. We have an unheard of sponsor (probably paying next to nothing for it)
It makes you wonder if the commercial department is so inept or if there is some other reason big business do not want to associate with BWFC.

In summary, BWFC have not got a penny to spend. This has to be counted as DF's first season in charge. His remit was financial stability , even at the expense of the team. He is bringing players in for next to nothing and he is moving them around to try to get the best he can out of them, maybe trying to find their best position. He does things that a lot of fans will not understand as we are not privvy to all the information.
His win percentage at BWFC is marginally better than he had at Palace and look where they were when he left.
Personally I would bet he has a compensation clause written into his contract, far greater than his contract alone. His reputation was going to be tarnished given the job he had to do to get the club financially stable. He knew he would be unpopular with the fans, and there was always going to be a chance he would be sacked . He may never work in football again if he leaves now, having taken us from promotion candidates to the brink of relegation. He is clever enough to have seen that, and placed safeguards against it. Like it or not Dougie is here for the foreseeable future. Get behind him and the club the best you can, and if you want to aim criticism at the club, then it should be aimed squarely at the financial department, not the man who has put his own reputation on the line to save the club.
Sorry BW8410, I don't know why you're message was quoted. this was not a reply to your comment. I agree entirely with your post, that he needs a bolder approach, especially when we are a goal up.
[quote][p][bold]garyarms[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bw8410[/bold] wrote: Beckford's attitude and intentions whether good or bad to the Bolton support is not of concern at the moment. What surely must be priority is how Bolton can score enough goals and keep enough clean sheets throughout course of the season and aim for the top six. With 40 matches to play, anything is possible with consistency in player selections players deemed to be the strongest XI who know their roles and have the mentality to commit with passion for 90 minutes. It is worrying that Dougie Freedman changes the line-up for every match based on fitness and not form. It is also worrying that he wants the mentality of the team to be patient and edge a 1-0 win each game. I understand he was brought in to lower the wage bill, develop the youth and bring an element of stability and control to the club moving forward, but he surely needs to change his patient approach to games because when Bolton are losing, it's no good attacking in the last 10 minutes when time is running out when you have had 80 minutes to attack and try to score 2 or 3 goals! Aim to score these goals in the first half and the defence will gain confidence from it.[/p][/quote]Here's a few talking points. 1) Beckford waved to the Leeds fans from the bench , before entering the field of play. There was no need for the thumbs up gesture, the fans had been acknowledged. My opinion is that someone should have given him a rollicking for doing it from the bench and told him to wait until after the game. 2) Freedman did a great job at Palace, over a period of time. Not every signing will work but if you get a few saleable players along the way then it brings money into the club. Something that is obviously not there now. 3) Big Sam achieved on the field success but as a business it was suicidal. He brought players in on free transfers at the end of their careers, paid high wages out but didn't have any saleable assets . It is a plan that is doomed to fail, unless you can bring young players through at the same time. Not enough made the grade during Sams tenure. that leaves the club totally reliant on money generated within the club. 4) Owen Coyle had a philosophy of bringing players he knew and trusted.......unfort unately he didn't seem to know many players, which left a very limited pool of players to choose from. He must have used Big Sams wage structure, which wasn't warranted with the calibre of player he was bringing to the club. the players weren't good enough and he paid the price. Unfortunately so have the club, being left with high wages for mediocre players who DF has only just managed to get rid of. 5) After the first relegation from the premier league Gartside said something like " Ticket prices are going up because we are £££'s in debt and we have lost £30 million (per season) revenue by being relegated ". The hotel and offices were supposed to wipe out the initial debt of the stadium. Player sales far outweighed acquisitions and we had many years of premier league income. Why are we now so much in debt? Attendances are, on average, at least 8,000 per game less than they were in the prem. We have an unheard of sponsor (probably paying next to nothing for it) It makes you wonder if the commercial department is so inept or if there is some other reason big business do not want to associate with BWFC. In summary, BWFC have not got a penny to spend. This has to be counted as DF's first season in charge. His remit was financial stability , even at the expense of the team. He is bringing players in for next to nothing and he is moving them around to try to get the best he can out of them, maybe trying to find their best position. He does things that a lot of fans will not understand as we are not privvy to all the information. His win percentage at BWFC is marginally better than he had at Palace and look where they were when he left. Personally I would bet he has a compensation clause written into his contract, far greater than his contract alone. His reputation was going to be tarnished given the job he had to do to get the club financially stable. He knew he would be unpopular with the fans, and there was always going to be a chance he would be sacked . He may never work in football again if he leaves now, having taken us from promotion candidates to the brink of relegation. He is clever enough to have seen that, and placed safeguards against it. Like it or not Dougie is here for the foreseeable future. Get behind him and the club the best you can, and if you want to aim criticism at the club, then it should be aimed squarely at the financial department, not the man who has put his own reputation on the line to save the club.[/p][/quote]Sorry BW8410, I don't know why you're message was quoted. this was not a reply to your comment. I agree entirely with your post, that he needs a bolder approach, especially when we are a goal up. garyarms
  • Score: 0

12:28am Thu 4 Sep 14

keithyno.1 says...

garyarms, I really have to take issue with your comment (see above), "Big Sam achieved on the field success but as a business it was suicidal. He brought players in on free transfers at the end of their careers, paid high wages out but didn't have any saleable assets."

Big Sam achieved on the field success...that IS the measure of business success for a Premier League club! It ensures that you STAY in the Premier League, and continue to reap the Sky/BT money which continues to flow in in ever-increasing numbers. Thereby allowing you to pay the wages of the players which you have to do to attract them to the club in the first place. Everybody knows that's where the money comes from to pay players salaries at ALL Premier League clubs, not just shirt sponsorshop deals etc (they're just icing on the Premier League cake).

It was a business model that worked perfectly under Big Sam (what was it, 10 seasons on the trot in the Premier League under him, or something like that!) and continues to work very well indeed for clubs like Swansea, Stoke City and Hull which are pretty much like BWFC in terms of fan base etc

In short, don't you DARE link Big Sam's name with the never-ending debacle and all the management dross which followed after his departure from our club, and the appalling plight we now find ourselves in at the back end of 2014!!!
garyarms, I really have to take issue with your comment (see above), "Big Sam achieved on the field success but as a business it was suicidal. He brought players in on free transfers at the end of their careers, paid high wages out but didn't have any saleable assets." Big Sam achieved on the field success...that IS the measure of business success for a Premier League club! It ensures that you STAY in the Premier League, and continue to reap the Sky/BT money which continues to flow in in ever-increasing numbers. Thereby allowing you to pay the wages of the players which you have to do to attract them to the club in the first place. Everybody knows that's where the money comes from to pay players salaries at ALL Premier League clubs, not just shirt sponsorshop deals etc (they're just icing on the Premier League cake). It was a business model that worked perfectly under Big Sam (what was it, 10 seasons on the trot in the Premier League under him, or something like that!) and continues to work very well indeed for clubs like Swansea, Stoke City and Hull which are pretty much like BWFC in terms of fan base etc In short, don't you DARE link Big Sam's name with the never-ending debacle and all the management dross which followed after his departure from our club, and the appalling plight we now find ourselves in at the back end of 2014!!! keithyno.1
  • Score: -2

10:47am Thu 4 Sep 14

garyarms says...

Keithyno.1 I agree that the bulk of the money comes from sky/premier league but the very clubs you have mentioned have also sold players to continue their existence or bought/produced players within a wage structure that was sustainable. Djorkaeff on a reported £50,000 per week was never sustainable. It set a benchmark for wages AND. during those 10 years (probably more) the debt WAS GROWING. Yes I dare mention Big Sam, but I am not blaming him. He did what he thought was best. The financial mismanagement as not Sam's fault. Being allowed to operate as he did was the problem created by the board
Keithyno.1 I agree that the bulk of the money comes from sky/premier league but the very clubs you have mentioned have also sold players to continue their existence or bought/produced players within a wage structure that was sustainable. Djorkaeff on a reported £50,000 per week was never sustainable. It set a benchmark for wages AND. during those 10 years (probably more) the debt WAS GROWING. Yes I dare mention Big Sam, but I am not blaming him. He did what he thought was best. The financial mismanagement as not Sam's fault. Being allowed to operate as he did was the problem created by the board garyarms
  • Score: 0

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