Why Bolton Wanderers fans are left feeling short-changed by the transfer window

Crystal Palace's Owen Garvan - one of Wanderers' late transfer targets

Crystal Palace's Owen Garvan - one of Wanderers' late transfer targets

First published in Sport
Last updated
The Bolton News: Photograph of the Author by , chief football writer

YOU could be forgiven for feeling short-changed by the summer transfer window after Wanderers failed to get involved in the all-singing, all-dancing drama of deadline day.

Despite getting more action that anticipated with Jermaine Beckford’s potential move to Fulham, interest in Greg Halford and Owen Garvan, and some speculative calls from Premier League clubs about Mark Davies, the end result was precisely what Dougie Freedman had predicted after the 1-0 defeat at Leeds United.

No new signings; little to raise sapping morale after a dire start to the campaign.

How the embattled Whites boss could have used something else to talk about over the international break, which will now be used exclusively to pick over the failings of the first five games and speculating over his own position at the club.

Manchester United’s Nick Powell was one of the players Freedman had hoped would still be available in the loan window, which re-opens in a week’s time.

It was known well before deadline day, however, that the former Crewe striker was on his way to Leicester City alongside Old Trafford team-mate Tom Lawrence.

After his PR own goal at Leeds on Saturday, Beckford’s proposed move to Fulham looked at one stage to be a simple solution to everyone’s problems.

Seemingly triggered by events at Elland Road, where his controversial salute to his former club’s fans prompted an incredulous reaction from the away end, a move to West London may have sounded appealing to the former Everton front man.

Back at Wanderers, Freedman did not want to lose another striker and did not see one of the options presented to him – Nottingham Forest’s Greg Halford – as a viable replacement.

Beckford’s departure would have given him more scope to sign players in the loan window but when Fulham diverted their attention to landing Leeds’ Matt Smith early in the evening, Freedman had resigned himself to the status quo.

Owen Garvan could yet end up being a Wanderers player. The Crystal Palace midfielder has an eye for a pass, and could be a useful asset if he can agree the right deal in the coming weeks.

A wider look at the window shows that Freedman actually signed 13 players, 11 of which were permanent deals.

The amount of cash spent? Virtually none.

While nominal fees were agreed for youngsters such as Kaiyne Woolery of Tamworth, Quade Taylor and Ross Fitzsimons of Crystal Palace and Ryan Sellers from Wingate and Finchley, the last actual transfer outlay made by the Whites remains the £150,000 fee agreed with Millwall to loan Liam Trotter in January.

The mainstay of the manager’s signings were those who, like Trotter, had worked with the club before.

Neil Danns, Liam Feeney, Kevin McNaughton and Joe Mason returned, the theory being that they would avoid the settling in period that often affects a new signing’s form.

The downside is that fans craving some inspiration were left short-handed, not least when the club lost out on top target Lukas Jutkiewicz to Premier League Burnley.

Dean Moxey and Dorian Dervite were canny bits of business on free transfers but Freedman knows full well that in missing out on the Middlesbrough striker, he had also missed out on a golden chance to give fans something to smile about before a competitive ball was kicked.

Instead, his side were grumbled off the field at half time in their only pre-season friendly against Dutch side Vitesse.

Freedman still has designs on two more attacking signings but with Powell now out of play and cash still chronically tight, they are by no means guaranteed by the time the Championship season reconvenes with a home double header against Sheffield Wednesday and Rotherham United.

Heading out of the Macron Stadium doors this summer were 19 players, three of which were on loan.

Two transfer fees were received, for Marvin Sordell and Cian Bolger, at a cost of around £575,000.

Andy Robinson actually managed to count in both columns, with his short career with the Whites lasting just a few weeks before being released. But it was in ridding themselves of the big earners –Sordell, Tyrone Mears, Chris Eagles, Zat Knight, Andre Moritz and Keith Andrews – that the biggest financial difference was made.

It has, we are led to believe, brought the club in line with Financial Fair Play regulations and helped Wanderers avoid a transfer embargo in the New Year.

Little of that windfall has been passed Freedman’s way, however, and the manager continues to see signings slip through his grasp as a result.

Liverpool winger Jordan Ibe was the latest example, forcing the Scot back to the drawing board as he tries to add a little sparkle to his struggling side.

It is a grim reality to face and in no way an excuse for under-performance. One wonders whether Freedman and the Wanderers fans are going to have to get used to this barren feeling.

Comments (29)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

3:49pm Tue 2 Sep 14

GJA1969 says...

The silence from our chairman is unbelievable. During the heady days of the premiership he just wouldn't shut up. Come out and tell us suffering fans the truth instead of letting DF take the flak for the invisible men upstairs.Fair enough blame him for some of the tactics and performances but to get the blame for non signing of players who he has targeted surely is up to the money men? Why is this FFP seemingly only affecting BWFC? The chicken men down the road managed to get a couple in yesterday no problem yet they are threatened with same transfer embargo in January as we supposedly are. By then it may be too late- speculate to accumulate
The silence from our chairman is unbelievable. During the heady days of the premiership he just wouldn't shut up. Come out and tell us suffering fans the truth instead of letting DF take the flak for the invisible men upstairs.Fair enough blame him for some of the tactics and performances but to get the blame for non signing of players who he has targeted surely is up to the money men? Why is this FFP seemingly only affecting BWFC? The chicken men down the road managed to get a couple in yesterday no problem yet they are threatened with same transfer embargo in January as we supposedly are. By then it may be too late- speculate to accumulate GJA1969
  • Score: 70

3:57pm Tue 2 Sep 14

bwfcrgr8 says...

please stop banging on about missed transfer targets etc.
The current team/squad is still massively under performing and this is down to one man alone. The manager!
He can bleat on all he wants with his sob stories but the fact remains we still have a squad capable of challenging with the right man in charge!
Mabe if he actually played players in form, in their correct positions & didn't tinker with the team EVERY game we might start to pick up some rhythm & go on a run.
please stop banging on about missed transfer targets etc. The current team/squad is still massively under performing and this is down to one man alone. The manager! He can bleat on all he wants with his sob stories but the fact remains we still have a squad capable of challenging with the right man in charge! Mabe if he actually played players in form, in their correct positions & didn't tinker with the team EVERY game we might start to pick up some rhythm & go on a run. bwfcrgr8
  • Score: 47

4:42pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Balboa says...

Whilst I am not particularly surprised about the lack of transfer activity in recent weeks, the chairman - or possibly the owner himself - may have at least extended the courtesy of penning a column in the paper or speaking publicly on behalf of the club.

DF has been left to deal with the public and the fans and, given he has important team matters and results to sort out, I can't help but think our chairman has lost interest in the fans and the direction of the club, or his distance may be a pre-cursor to his resignation or asking DF to step down.

After 2 years in the wilderness, it's time the other club directors spoke up about the club's performance - though I can't see that happening. They are petrified of PG.

I suppose on balance, PG would highlight the funds made available to sign last season's loan players and the need for them to perform, before he spends money on other targets.

And it hasn't gone unnoticed that Wigan, Blackburn, Forest, Derby, Bournemouth and other teams of similar size and stature to us have spent significantly - last season and this - without facing any FFP penalty.

More than a little disappointed in all aspects of the club at the moment.
Whilst I am not particularly surprised about the lack of transfer activity in recent weeks, the chairman - or possibly the owner himself - may have at least extended the courtesy of penning a column in the paper or speaking publicly on behalf of the club. DF has been left to deal with the public and the fans and, given he has important team matters and results to sort out, I can't help but think our chairman has lost interest in the fans and the direction of the club, or his distance may be a pre-cursor to his resignation or asking DF to step down. After 2 years in the wilderness, it's time the other club directors spoke up about the club's performance - though I can't see that happening. They are petrified of PG. I suppose on balance, PG would highlight the funds made available to sign last season's loan players and the need for them to perform, before he spends money on other targets. And it hasn't gone unnoticed that Wigan, Blackburn, Forest, Derby, Bournemouth and other teams of similar size and stature to us have spent significantly - last season and this - without facing any FFP penalty. More than a little disappointed in all aspects of the club at the moment. Balboa
  • Score: 41

5:13pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Stewart Ball says...

Top of the fair pay league at the new year.Yippee !
Still no money for transfers .What's new?
Relegated in the spring.
Gartside "surprised"at low attendance at first home game
Top of the fair pay league at the new year.Yippee ! Still no money for transfers .What's new? Relegated in the spring. Gartside "surprised"at low attendance at first home game Stewart Ball
  • Score: 26

5:51pm Tue 2 Sep 14

poplarman says...

The lack of any sort of communication from our Club to us, the fans, has become expectedly normal! We can only make the assumption that we are of little importance.

We may not have been involved in the transfer window closing periods but nevertheless we followed the closing stages with hopes and wishes.

Do the Club care about us? Who knows, they don't tell us anything.
The lack of any sort of communication from our Club to us, the fans, has become expectedly normal! We can only make the assumption that we are of little importance. We may not have been involved in the transfer window closing periods but nevertheless we followed the closing stages with hopes and wishes. Do the Club care about us? Who knows, they don't tell us anything. poplarman
  • Score: 26

6:02pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Rowansman says...

I can't make any sense of BWFC's current situation. The team has got one point from 5 , 3 defeats against teams in the lower half of the division, and two extra time wins against lower league teams in the League cup.
No effort made to boost the squad so between now and January the results seem inevitable, and probably by this time next year we will be in the same positiion albeit one step lower. Disappointingly the manager seems to be unable to motivate what is, in the main ,his squad.
So, do we blame yet another failing manager or do owe look at the person responsible for appointing managers.....could it be there is a fear of appointing someone with the strength of character and charisma of Big Sam?
I can't make any sense of BWFC's current situation. The team has got one point from 5 , 3 defeats against teams in the lower half of the division, and two extra time wins against lower league teams in the League cup. No effort made to boost the squad so between now and January the results seem inevitable, and probably by this time next year we will be in the same positiion albeit one step lower. Disappointingly the manager seems to be unable to motivate what is, in the main ,his squad. So, do we blame yet another failing manager or do owe look at the person responsible for appointing managers.....could it be there is a fear of appointing someone with the strength of character and charisma of Big Sam? Rowansman
  • Score: 20

6:32pm Tue 2 Sep 14

rauschaxleman says...

Just like Mr Gartside's predecessor Gordon Hargreaves who enjoyed all the successes of the Rioch reign unfortunately he couldn't quite get it right after that. Like Hargreaves Gartside's punt on Allardyce turned out to be just that, a Lucky punt, his selection of managers since have taken our club back to where we began.
Just like Mr Gartside's predecessor Gordon Hargreaves who enjoyed all the successes of the Rioch reign unfortunately he couldn't quite get it right after that. Like Hargreaves Gartside's punt on Allardyce turned out to be just that, a Lucky punt, his selection of managers since have taken our club back to where we began. rauschaxleman
  • Score: 23

6:47pm Tue 2 Sep 14

johnnykilroy4 says...

Its a bit embarrassing at the moment to be a B.W.F.C supporter i'm thinking about following another Football Team hopefully one that knows what they are doing.
Its a bit embarrassing at the moment to be a B.W.F.C supporter i'm thinking about following another Football Team hopefully one that knows what they are doing. johnnykilroy4
  • Score: -23

7:03pm Tue 2 Sep 14

denraw says...

Come back Gordon Hargreaves. All is forgiven.
Come back Gordon Hargreaves. All is forgiven. denraw
  • Score: 4

7:07pm Tue 2 Sep 14

mick-t says...

bwfcrgr8 wrote:
please stop banging on about missed transfer targets etc.
The current team/squad is still massively under performing and this is down to one man alone. The manager!
He can bleat on all he wants with his sob stories but the fact remains we still have a squad capable of challenging with the right man in charge!
Mabe if he actually played players in form, in their correct positions & didn't tinker with the team EVERY game we might start to pick up some rhythm & go on a run.
Stop bleating you sheep can't you think for yourself, or are all the moron's brains in Bolton connected? Like one massive brain somewhere with gimps that have cpus in their heads!

Miserable ars3s like you conveniently forget how well we played when Dougie got decent players in Juke last season and Dawson the season before. That is one player each season that made a massive difference and made Dougie's tactics work. In the connected brain they were just flukes not tactics working!
When the right players play how Dougie wants them to we win 4-0 and 5-1 and go on runs. When players are under performing that is down to the individual players, their brains aren't connected to Dougie's like yours is connected to the "big brain" tuned into DUMB!
[quote][p][bold]bwfcrgr8[/bold] wrote: please stop banging on about missed transfer targets etc. The current team/squad is still massively under performing and this is down to one man alone. The manager! He can bleat on all he wants with his sob stories but the fact remains we still have a squad capable of challenging with the right man in charge! Mabe if he actually played players in form, in their correct positions & didn't tinker with the team EVERY game we might start to pick up some rhythm & go on a run.[/p][/quote]Stop bleating you sheep can't you think for yourself, or are all the moron's brains in Bolton connected? Like one massive brain somewhere with gimps that have cpus in their heads! Miserable ars3s like you conveniently forget how well we played when Dougie got decent players in Juke last season and Dawson the season before. That is one player each season that made a massive difference and made Dougie's tactics work. In the connected brain they were just flukes not tactics working! When the right players play how Dougie wants them to we win 4-0 and 5-1 and go on runs. When players are under performing that is down to the individual players, their brains aren't connected to Dougie's like yours is connected to the "big brain" tuned into DUMB! mick-t
  • Score: -29

7:21pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Whites64 says...

The Chairman hasn't lost interest in the fans - His actions suggest that he never had any respect for them. Remember his comments on GMR about fans who had phoned in to crticise Owen Coyle's performance when we were sliding down the Premier League - he called them 'numptys' who knew nothing about football. Remember the film of him trying to do a secret deal on crowd favourite Okocha. Remember him trying to get our club sponsored by Quick Quid when lots of local people are struggling with debts. Remember what came to light in the recent court case about agents transfer fee payments. Is this how a Chairman shows respect to fans of our once proud club?

As Chairman I believe that he has two principal responsibilities i.e. looking after the finances of the club and appointment of the manager..

On the finances he argues that although we have debts of £163m debt the bulk of this is owed to Eddie Davis - but we have still lost £163m. Shouldn't we all, not least Eddie Davies, be asking how we came to be in this position in the first place after 12 years of Premiership money. In more debt I suspect than when Portsmouth & Leeds were when they went bust. It's not as though the money was spent on buying good re-saleable playing assets - no one wanted to pay money for most of our players, and even when we did have saleable assets that wouldn't re-sign for the club we let their contracts run down. We are doing the same thing now with Chungy and Bogdan who will no doubt leave for nothing next summer or for a pittance in January. In the meantime it appears we can't afford the salaries of pretty average loan players. The financial management under the Chairman's watch must go down as an object lesson in how not to run a football club.

On appointment of managers - what a record. Three terrible appointments in a row prior to Dougie (the Chairman can't disagree as he sacked all three eventually). Sadly, I am convinced that Dougie is his fourth duff appointment. When the Club belatedly realises he has to go - perhaps when DF beats his own record and oversees the worst league start since the club was founded, as opposed to the worst for 111 years which he managed last year - why would anyone think that the Chairman was capable of making a good appointment next time?

Against this assessment the Chairman has failed in terms of his principle responsibilities and I believe that for the good of the business he should step down voluntarily in recognition of what has happened to the club under his leadership. If not then it is up to Eddie Davies to decide that it's time for a change.

In the meantime I understand that he is an Executive Chairman and that the role commands a significant salary - I don't know if he is still drawing that salary but if he is then I think he should consider if that is still appropriate in the present circumstances. Who knows - that might mean that we could afford to loan the sort of striker we need.

O.K. that's my rant over.
The Chairman hasn't lost interest in the fans - His actions suggest that he never had any respect for them. Remember his comments on GMR about fans who had phoned in to crticise Owen Coyle's performance when we were sliding down the Premier League - he called them 'numptys' who knew nothing about football. Remember the film of him trying to do a secret deal on crowd favourite Okocha. Remember him trying to get our club sponsored by Quick Quid when lots of local people are struggling with debts. Remember what came to light in the recent court case about agents transfer fee payments. Is this how a Chairman shows respect to fans of our once proud club? As Chairman I believe that he has two principal responsibilities i.e. looking after the finances of the club and appointment of the manager.. On the finances he argues that although we have debts of £163m debt the bulk of this is owed to Eddie Davis - but we have still lost £163m. Shouldn't we all, not least Eddie Davies, be asking how we came to be in this position in the first place after 12 years of Premiership money. In more debt I suspect than when Portsmouth & Leeds were when they went bust. It's not as though the money was spent on buying good re-saleable playing assets - no one wanted to pay money for most of our players, and even when we did have saleable assets that wouldn't re-sign for the club we let their contracts run down. We are doing the same thing now with Chungy and Bogdan who will no doubt leave for nothing next summer or for a pittance in January. In the meantime it appears we can't afford the salaries of pretty average loan players. The financial management under the Chairman's watch must go down as an object lesson in how not to run a football club. On appointment of managers - what a record. Three terrible appointments in a row prior to Dougie (the Chairman can't disagree as he sacked all three eventually). Sadly, I am convinced that Dougie is his fourth duff appointment. When the Club belatedly realises he has to go - perhaps when DF beats his own record and oversees the worst league start since the club was founded, as opposed to the worst for 111 years which he managed last year - why would anyone think that the Chairman was capable of making a good appointment next time? Against this assessment the Chairman has failed in terms of his principle responsibilities and I believe that for the good of the business he should step down voluntarily in recognition of what has happened to the club under his leadership. If not then it is up to Eddie Davies to decide that it's time for a change. In the meantime I understand that he is an Executive Chairman and that the role commands a significant salary - I don't know if he is still drawing that salary but if he is then I think he should consider if that is still appropriate in the present circumstances. Who knows - that might mean that we could afford to loan the sort of striker we need. O.K. that's my rant over. Whites64
  • Score: 46

7:45pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Riggermortis says...

He is still taking s sizeable salary and bonuses for his inefficiencies
He is still taking s sizeable salary and bonuses for his inefficiencies Riggermortis
  • Score: 9

7:54pm Tue 2 Sep 14

MBZ1981 says...

Can anyone explain to me why we have a self imposed transfer embargo so that we avoid a transfer embargo??? Does it not make more sense to put two fingers up to FFP like everyone else and at least bring back some excitement. Lets face it the FA can't deduct 10 points from every team in the league can they. Oh well at least when they do impose sanctions on everyone who overspent we will be 10 points better off.
Can anyone explain to me why we have a self imposed transfer embargo so that we avoid a transfer embargo??? Does it not make more sense to put two fingers up to FFP like everyone else and at least bring back some excitement. Lets face it the FA can't deduct 10 points from every team in the league can they. Oh well at least when they do impose sanctions on everyone who overspent we will be 10 points better off. MBZ1981
  • Score: 17

8:03pm Tue 2 Sep 14

fairway broph says...

Feel for all bolton fans who paid a lot of money on season tickets only to be cra---- on from a very big height .im one from now never going in that ground untill major changes at the top .that won't happen but it would be great if only away fans where at next home game.1 FED UP FAN
Feel for all bolton fans who paid a lot of money on season tickets only to be cra---- on from a very big height .im one from now never going in that ground untill major changes at the top .that won't happen but it would be great if only away fans where at next home game.1 FED UP FAN fairway broph
  • Score: 17

8:58pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Asg6263 says...

That what's required a boycott of the next home game
That what's required a boycott of the next home game Asg6263
  • Score: 17

9:19pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Transfer Embargo??? Is someone having a laugh??? The current regime invented the financial transfer embargo PMSL
Transfer Embargo??? Is someone having a laugh??? The current regime invented the financial transfer embargo PMSL Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 5

10:26pm Tue 2 Sep 14

SeattleWanderer says...

Since emigration, I do not get to see the Wanderers, but I read the paper and check the results. Looking at it very much from the outside now, I am sad at what I see. I think the problem with BWFC is just indicative of the malaise that I saw in Bolton when I returned for a vacation back in May.

To some of the comments - I see the infighting between fans is alive and kicking. It was one of the reasons I stopped going to the matches, the fans turning on themselves.

Talks of boycott? Forget it. I tried to set up a campaign with some other like minded Wanderers fans, but the general apathy was disappointing albeit it non-surprising. Bolton fans - we are happy to moan on such forums as this one, but few are willing to vote with their wallets - I am not talking about season tickets, but food/drink on match day and club apparel.

The chairman is NOT interested in the fans. Never was, never will be. I said at the time of the 'Gartside Out' campaign he was self-serving; this is still evident to this day.

The BWSA is an impotent organization - I applaud the fans who tried to shake it up and give it teeth, but they failed because of a few narrow minded people who liked their social club and meeting a player or two once per month.

An unlikely to happen but thorough investigation of the finances and what happened to the money from the PL days needs to happen. I work on the basis of "nothing to hide" - sadly, I think the club has plenty to hide.

From the outside - I am unimpressed with Freedman; I cannot comment on the games and performances as I do not go to the games, but it seems dire. Do we twist or stick? Who would come in? If I remember correctly, being I was one of the fans who had enough of Allardyce - not giving him money to invest was wrong. Be careful what you wish for, it is coming home to roost now. No one wanted Souness, but look what has happened since.

I applaud Marc Iles for asking some more pertinent questions of the club and where it is headed, but there is no accountability and neither do they have to provide it, it is a private company after all now.

Last point - there is no money and FFP is a convenient hiding place, but all will come out one day.

Best of luck and GO HAWKS!!
Since emigration, I do not get to see the Wanderers, but I read the paper and check the results. Looking at it very much from the outside now, I am sad at what I see. I think the problem with BWFC is just indicative of the malaise that I saw in Bolton when I returned for a vacation back in May. To some of the comments - I see the infighting between fans is alive and kicking. It was one of the reasons I stopped going to the matches, the fans turning on themselves. Talks of boycott? Forget it. I tried to set up a campaign with some other like minded Wanderers fans, but the general apathy was disappointing albeit it non-surprising. Bolton fans - we are happy to moan on such forums as this one, but few are willing to vote with their wallets - I am not talking about season tickets, but food/drink on match day and club apparel. The chairman is NOT interested in the fans. Never was, never will be. I said at the time of the 'Gartside Out' campaign he was self-serving; this is still evident to this day. The BWSA is an impotent organization - I applaud the fans who tried to shake it up and give it teeth, but they failed because of a few narrow minded people who liked their social club and meeting a player or two once per month. An unlikely to happen but thorough investigation of the finances and what happened to the money from the PL days needs to happen. I work on the basis of "nothing to hide" - sadly, I think the club has plenty to hide. From the outside - I am unimpressed with Freedman; I cannot comment on the games and performances as I do not go to the games, but it seems dire. Do we twist or stick? Who would come in? If I remember correctly, being I was one of the fans who had enough of Allardyce - not giving him money to invest was wrong. Be careful what you wish for, it is coming home to roost now. No one wanted Souness, but look what has happened since. I applaud Marc Iles for asking some more pertinent questions of the club and where it is headed, but there is no accountability and neither do they have to provide it, it is a private company after all now. Last point - there is no money and FFP is a convenient hiding place, but all will come out one day. Best of luck and GO HAWKS!! SeattleWanderer
  • Score: 11

10:52pm Tue 2 Sep 14

normid norm says...

Not much point bringing new players to the club when the management team don't know when, where & how to play them, it would just be a waste....
Not much point bringing new players to the club when the management team don't know when, where & how to play them, it would just be a waste.... normid norm
  • Score: 7

8:40am Wed 3 Sep 14

Leemac12 says...

Marc, are you actively trying to get an interview with our Chairman to try and get an idea of what is happening? I can imagine you have asked and your calls are not being returned....!
Marc, are you actively trying to get an interview with our Chairman to try and get an idea of what is happening? I can imagine you have asked and your calls are not being returned....! Leemac12
  • Score: 9

9:54am Wed 3 Sep 14

bwfcrgr8 says...

mick-t wrote:
bwfcrgr8 wrote:
please stop banging on about missed transfer targets etc.
The current team/squad is still massively under performing and this is down to one man alone. The manager!
He can bleat on all he wants with his sob stories but the fact remains we still have a squad capable of challenging with the right man in charge!
Mabe if he actually played players in form, in their correct positions & didn't tinker with the team EVERY game we might start to pick up some rhythm & go on a run.
Stop bleating you sheep can't you think for yourself, or are all the moron's brains in Bolton connected? Like one massive brain somewhere with gimps that have cpus in their heads!

Miserable ars3s like you conveniently forget how well we played when Dougie got decent players in Juke last season and Dawson the season before. That is one player each season that made a massive difference and made Dougie's tactics work. In the connected brain they were just flukes not tactics working!
When the right players play how Dougie wants them to we win 4-0 and 5-1 and go on runs. When players are under performing that is down to the individual players, their brains aren't connected to Dougie's like yours is connected to the "big brain" tuned into DUMB!
Mick-t. you really are stupid. If you think a couple of decent wins makes a season then you are easily pleased. Wow a win at mighty Leeds. If you look around that time EVERYONE won at Leeds. As for Dougie's tactics. It would take a bloody good detective to find them!
Also, this is mainly his mostly his squad now filled with players he signed.
I don't expect to win every game but we should expect to have a go & be entertained. I suggest you haven't been to many games this season ? In fact I suggest you haven't been to many games under Freedman. Maybe you were lucky & only attended Leeds away & Blackburn at home.........notice you didn't mention Reading away or Blackburn away.....forgot those Mick?!!
[quote][p][bold]mick-t[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bwfcrgr8[/bold] wrote: please stop banging on about missed transfer targets etc. The current team/squad is still massively under performing and this is down to one man alone. The manager! He can bleat on all he wants with his sob stories but the fact remains we still have a squad capable of challenging with the right man in charge! Mabe if he actually played players in form, in their correct positions & didn't tinker with the team EVERY game we might start to pick up some rhythm & go on a run.[/p][/quote]Stop bleating you sheep can't you think for yourself, or are all the moron's brains in Bolton connected? Like one massive brain somewhere with gimps that have cpus in their heads! Miserable ars3s like you conveniently forget how well we played when Dougie got decent players in Juke last season and Dawson the season before. That is one player each season that made a massive difference and made Dougie's tactics work. In the connected brain they were just flukes not tactics working! When the right players play how Dougie wants them to we win 4-0 and 5-1 and go on runs. When players are under performing that is down to the individual players, their brains aren't connected to Dougie's like yours is connected to the "big brain" tuned into DUMB![/p][/quote]Mick-t. you really are stupid. If you think a couple of decent wins makes a season then you are easily pleased. Wow a win at mighty Leeds. If you look around that time EVERYONE won at Leeds. As for Dougie's tactics. It would take a bloody good detective to find them! Also, this is mainly his mostly his squad now filled with players he signed. I don't expect to win every game but we should expect to have a go & be entertained. I suggest you haven't been to many games this season ? In fact I suggest you haven't been to many games under Freedman. Maybe you were lucky & only attended Leeds away & Blackburn at home.........notice you didn't mention Reading away or Blackburn away.....forgot those Mick?!! bwfcrgr8
  • Score: 7

8:01pm Wed 3 Sep 14

owencoyle99 says...

Next season will see a change

There will be less than 6,000 season ticket holders

If I had know it was going to be as bad as this I would not have bought a season ticket

Get Dave Flitcroft in from Bury at least he talks sense when on GMR
Next season will see a change There will be less than 6,000 season ticket holders If I had know it was going to be as bad as this I would not have bought a season ticket Get Dave Flitcroft in from Bury at least he talks sense when on GMR owencoyle99
  • Score: 6

9:04pm Wed 3 Sep 14

John Wanderer says...

Mr Gartside NEEDS to hold a press conference to let everyone know what actually is going on with the wanderers.
He needs to let everyone know exactly what direction we re moving in and be totally honest about it.
It's for the best as in all my years of supporting this great club I have never had a time when I have no idea to blame for the situation.

If he ( Mr Gartside ) comes out and says that , due to financial restrictions he is happy for the club to just be a mid table championship or league one club and is not prepared to fund / support more than that then , we will get off the managers back as we know that he is trying his best to make do with severe financial restrictions.

Or , if Mr Gartside comes out and says that he wants the club to push for promotion but will only support and fund more progress if results are better then , we know it's the managers fault and we will get off Phil's back.

Either way on paper something is VERY fishy , look at the facts.

1. Dougie comes in and nearly gets us to the play-offs and tells us cash is available and our budget is bigger than Palace and others !!

2. The season starts badly the money is withdrawn and we very nearly get relegated with the worst run of results the club has ever known.

3. Dougie still has a job ( Very Fishy ) and proceeds to set about breaking the season before's records. Saying he is not worried about his job ( Very Very Fishy !! ) and selling/ loaning players who whilst very good were mismanaged and underperforming and replace them with ( For want of a better description ) Donkey's.

He got rid of Megson because results were bad ???
And brought Coyle in because the fans wanted him and told us that.

Mr Gartside we pay good money week in week out....... we deserve to know where we stand.
Mr Gartside NEEDS to hold a press conference to let everyone know what actually is going on with the wanderers. He needs to let everyone know exactly what direction we re moving in and be totally honest about it. It's for the best as in all my years of supporting this great club I have never had a time when I have no idea to blame for the situation. If he ( Mr Gartside ) comes out and says that , due to financial restrictions he is happy for the club to just be a mid table championship or league one club and is not prepared to fund / support more than that then , we will get off the managers back as we know that he is trying his best to make do with severe financial restrictions. Or , if Mr Gartside comes out and says that he wants the club to push for promotion but will only support and fund more progress if results are better then , we know it's the managers fault and we will get off Phil's back. Either way on paper something is VERY fishy , look at the facts. 1. Dougie comes in and nearly gets us to the play-offs and tells us cash is available and our budget is bigger than Palace and others !! 2. The season starts badly the money is withdrawn and we very nearly get relegated with the worst run of results the club has ever known. 3. Dougie still has a job ( Very Fishy ) and proceeds to set about breaking the season before's records. Saying he is not worried about his job ( Very Very Fishy !! ) and selling/ loaning players who whilst very good were mismanaged and underperforming and replace them with ( For want of a better description ) Donkey's. He got rid of Megson because results were bad ??? And brought Coyle in because the fans wanted him and told us that. Mr Gartside we pay good money week in week out....... we deserve to know where we stand. John Wanderer
  • Score: 4

9:24pm Wed 3 Sep 14

John Wanderer says...

Marc ,

Print these comments out and PLEASE try to get an interview with the chairman...........Y
ou are our only hope !!!!
Marc , Print these comments out and PLEASE try to get an interview with the chairman...........Y ou are our only hope !!!! John Wanderer
  • Score: 2

9:49pm Wed 3 Sep 14

keithyno.1 says...

Whites64 wrote:
The Chairman hasn't lost interest in the fans - His actions suggest that he never had any respect for them. Remember his comments on GMR about fans who had phoned in to crticise Owen Coyle's performance when we were sliding down the Premier League - he called them 'numptys' who knew nothing about football. Remember the film of him trying to do a secret deal on crowd favourite Okocha. Remember him trying to get our club sponsored by Quick Quid when lots of local people are struggling with debts. Remember what came to light in the recent court case about agents transfer fee payments. Is this how a Chairman shows respect to fans of our once proud club?

As Chairman I believe that he has two principal responsibilities i.e. looking after the finances of the club and appointment of the manager..

On the finances he argues that although we have debts of £163m debt the bulk of this is owed to Eddie Davis - but we have still lost £163m. Shouldn't we all, not least Eddie Davies, be asking how we came to be in this position in the first place after 12 years of Premiership money. In more debt I suspect than when Portsmouth & Leeds were when they went bust. It's not as though the money was spent on buying good re-saleable playing assets - no one wanted to pay money for most of our players, and even when we did have saleable assets that wouldn't re-sign for the club we let their contracts run down. We are doing the same thing now with Chungy and Bogdan who will no doubt leave for nothing next summer or for a pittance in January. In the meantime it appears we can't afford the salaries of pretty average loan players. The financial management under the Chairman's watch must go down as an object lesson in how not to run a football club.

On appointment of managers - what a record. Three terrible appointments in a row prior to Dougie (the Chairman can't disagree as he sacked all three eventually). Sadly, I am convinced that Dougie is his fourth duff appointment. When the Club belatedly realises he has to go - perhaps when DF beats his own record and oversees the worst league start since the club was founded, as opposed to the worst for 111 years which he managed last year - why would anyone think that the Chairman was capable of making a good appointment next time?

Against this assessment the Chairman has failed in terms of his principle responsibilities and I believe that for the good of the business he should step down voluntarily in recognition of what has happened to the club under his leadership. If not then it is up to Eddie Davies to decide that it's time for a change.

In the meantime I understand that he is an Executive Chairman and that the role commands a significant salary - I don't know if he is still drawing that salary but if he is then I think he should consider if that is still appropriate in the present circumstances. Who knows - that might mean that we could afford to loan the sort of striker we need.

O.K. that's my rant over.
Well Whites64, as rants go that's a very eloquent one! I think you've comprehensively summed up why Gartside has to go, be sacked, resign or just do a runner as far away from the Macron Stadium as possible before BWFC will ever start to rise from the ashes and recover from his disastrous reign as 'Chairman' of the club (what a ridiculously grand title for one so inept, amateurish, incapable and completely lacking any qualification or ability to run the club).

If the club owner Eddie Davies had employed such an incompetent to run any of his other businesses he would surely have ended up bankrupt rather than have become a self-made millionaire, and I cannot for the life of me see why he has not seen right through Gartside for the utter impostor he is when it comes to being fit for running a modern-day Football League club...I've often wondered, does Gartside have something 'on' him, preventing Mr Davies sacking off the useless t*sser??!!

I really feel that WHATEVER manager is in place, the club will not progress and only decline as long as Gartside runs the show.

So, BWFC fans, I feel NOW is the time and the duty of all of us who love our club to campaign like never before, vigorously and with fervour, for GARTSIDE TO GO!! If the shouts and protests are loud enough and long enough then Eddie Davies MUST eventually realise that his position is untenable at the club, and he'll finally take action to get shut and replace him with someone who actually knows what he or she is doing, before the club starts knocking on the door of the Conference.

As well as making our feelings heard and seen during each game about Gartside (not the players, because I honestly feel they're giving of their best in appalling circumstances), if each BWFC supporter sent a letter to the club personally addressed to Eddie Davies and marked 'Private & Confidential' c/o BWFC, Macron Stadium, Burnden Way, Bolton, BL6 6JW outlining their unhappiness with Gartside in the job and explaining why he's GOT to go, then the owner will HAVE to sit up and take notice, and take action!!

OK, that's MY rant over, but god, I feel better for it though!!!
[quote][p][bold]Whites64[/bold] wrote: The Chairman hasn't lost interest in the fans - His actions suggest that he never had any respect for them. Remember his comments on GMR about fans who had phoned in to crticise Owen Coyle's performance when we were sliding down the Premier League - he called them 'numptys' who knew nothing about football. Remember the film of him trying to do a secret deal on crowd favourite Okocha. Remember him trying to get our club sponsored by Quick Quid when lots of local people are struggling with debts. Remember what came to light in the recent court case about agents transfer fee payments. Is this how a Chairman shows respect to fans of our once proud club? As Chairman I believe that he has two principal responsibilities i.e. looking after the finances of the club and appointment of the manager.. On the finances he argues that although we have debts of £163m debt the bulk of this is owed to Eddie Davis - but we have still lost £163m. Shouldn't we all, not least Eddie Davies, be asking how we came to be in this position in the first place after 12 years of Premiership money. In more debt I suspect than when Portsmouth & Leeds were when they went bust. It's not as though the money was spent on buying good re-saleable playing assets - no one wanted to pay money for most of our players, and even when we did have saleable assets that wouldn't re-sign for the club we let their contracts run down. We are doing the same thing now with Chungy and Bogdan who will no doubt leave for nothing next summer or for a pittance in January. In the meantime it appears we can't afford the salaries of pretty average loan players. The financial management under the Chairman's watch must go down as an object lesson in how not to run a football club. On appointment of managers - what a record. Three terrible appointments in a row prior to Dougie (the Chairman can't disagree as he sacked all three eventually). Sadly, I am convinced that Dougie is his fourth duff appointment. When the Club belatedly realises he has to go - perhaps when DF beats his own record and oversees the worst league start since the club was founded, as opposed to the worst for 111 years which he managed last year - why would anyone think that the Chairman was capable of making a good appointment next time? Against this assessment the Chairman has failed in terms of his principle responsibilities and I believe that for the good of the business he should step down voluntarily in recognition of what has happened to the club under his leadership. If not then it is up to Eddie Davies to decide that it's time for a change. In the meantime I understand that he is an Executive Chairman and that the role commands a significant salary - I don't know if he is still drawing that salary but if he is then I think he should consider if that is still appropriate in the present circumstances. Who knows - that might mean that we could afford to loan the sort of striker we need. O.K. that's my rant over.[/p][/quote]Well Whites64, as rants go that's a very eloquent one! I think you've comprehensively summed up why Gartside has to go, be sacked, resign or just do a runner as far away from the Macron Stadium as possible before BWFC will ever start to rise from the ashes and recover from his disastrous reign as 'Chairman' of the club (what a ridiculously grand title for one so inept, amateurish, incapable and completely lacking any qualification or ability to run the club). If the club owner Eddie Davies had employed such an incompetent to run any of his other businesses he would surely have ended up bankrupt rather than have become a self-made millionaire, and I cannot for the life of me see why he has not seen right through Gartside for the utter impostor he is when it comes to being fit for running a modern-day Football League club...I've often wondered, does Gartside have something 'on' him, preventing Mr Davies sacking off the useless t*sser??!! I really feel that WHATEVER manager is in place, the club will not progress and only decline as long as Gartside runs the show. So, BWFC fans, I feel NOW is the time and the duty of all of us who love our club to campaign like never before, vigorously and with fervour, for GARTSIDE TO GO!! If the shouts and protests are loud enough and long enough then Eddie Davies MUST eventually realise that his position is untenable at the club, and he'll finally take action to get shut and replace him with someone who actually knows what he or she is doing, before the club starts knocking on the door of the Conference. As well as making our feelings heard and seen during each game about Gartside (not the players, because I honestly feel they're giving of their best in appalling circumstances), if each BWFC supporter sent a letter to the club personally addressed to Eddie Davies and marked 'Private & Confidential' c/o BWFC, Macron Stadium, Burnden Way, Bolton, BL6 6JW outlining their unhappiness with Gartside in the job and explaining why he's GOT to go, then the owner will HAVE to sit up and take notice, and take action!! OK, that's MY rant over, but god, I feel better for it though!!! keithyno.1
  • Score: 2

10:12pm Wed 3 Sep 14

SeattleWanderer says...

keithyno.1 wrote:
Whites64 wrote:
The Chairman hasn't lost interest in the fans - His actions suggest that he never had any respect for them. Remember his comments on GMR about fans who had phoned in to crticise Owen Coyle's performance when we were sliding down the Premier League - he called them 'numptys' who knew nothing about football. Remember the film of him trying to do a secret deal on crowd favourite Okocha. Remember him trying to get our club sponsored by Quick Quid when lots of local people are struggling with debts. Remember what came to light in the recent court case about agents transfer fee payments. Is this how a Chairman shows respect to fans of our once proud club?

As Chairman I believe that he has two principal responsibilities i.e. looking after the finances of the club and appointment of the manager..

On the finances he argues that although we have debts of £163m debt the bulk of this is owed to Eddie Davis - but we have still lost £163m. Shouldn't we all, not least Eddie Davies, be asking how we came to be in this position in the first place after 12 years of Premiership money. In more debt I suspect than when Portsmouth & Leeds were when they went bust. It's not as though the money was spent on buying good re-saleable playing assets - no one wanted to pay money for most of our players, and even when we did have saleable assets that wouldn't re-sign for the club we let their contracts run down. We are doing the same thing now with Chungy and Bogdan who will no doubt leave for nothing next summer or for a pittance in January. In the meantime it appears we can't afford the salaries of pretty average loan players. The financial management under the Chairman's watch must go down as an object lesson in how not to run a football club.

On appointment of managers - what a record. Three terrible appointments in a row prior to Dougie (the Chairman can't disagree as he sacked all three eventually). Sadly, I am convinced that Dougie is his fourth duff appointment. When the Club belatedly realises he has to go - perhaps when DF beats his own record and oversees the worst league start since the club was founded, as opposed to the worst for 111 years which he managed last year - why would anyone think that the Chairman was capable of making a good appointment next time?

Against this assessment the Chairman has failed in terms of his principle responsibilities and I believe that for the good of the business he should step down voluntarily in recognition of what has happened to the club under his leadership. If not then it is up to Eddie Davies to decide that it's time for a change.

In the meantime I understand that he is an Executive Chairman and that the role commands a significant salary - I don't know if he is still drawing that salary but if he is then I think he should consider if that is still appropriate in the present circumstances. Who knows - that might mean that we could afford to loan the sort of striker we need.

O.K. that's my rant over.
Well Whites64, as rants go that's a very eloquent one! I think you've comprehensively summed up why Gartside has to go, be sacked, resign or just do a runner as far away from the Macron Stadium as possible before BWFC will ever start to rise from the ashes and recover from his disastrous reign as 'Chairman' of the club (what a ridiculously grand title for one so inept, amateurish, incapable and completely lacking any qualification or ability to run the club).

If the club owner Eddie Davies had employed such an incompetent to run any of his other businesses he would surely have ended up bankrupt rather than have become a self-made millionaire, and I cannot for the life of me see why he has not seen right through Gartside for the utter impostor he is when it comes to being fit for running a modern-day Football League club...I've often wondered, does Gartside have something 'on' him, preventing Mr Davies sacking off the useless t*sser??!!

I really feel that WHATEVER manager is in place, the club will not progress and only decline as long as Gartside runs the show.

So, BWFC fans, I feel NOW is the time and the duty of all of us who love our club to campaign like never before, vigorously and with fervour, for GARTSIDE TO GO!! If the shouts and protests are loud enough and long enough then Eddie Davies MUST eventually realise that his position is untenable at the club, and he'll finally take action to get shut and replace him with someone who actually knows what he or she is doing, before the club starts knocking on the door of the Conference.

As well as making our feelings heard and seen during each game about Gartside (not the players, because I honestly feel they're giving of their best in appalling circumstances), if each BWFC supporter sent a letter to the club personally addressed to Eddie Davies and marked 'Private & Confidential' c/o BWFC, Macron Stadium, Burnden Way, Bolton, BL6 6JW outlining their unhappiness with Gartside in the job and explaining why he's GOT to go, then the owner will HAVE to sit up and take notice, and take action!!

OK, that's MY rant over, but god, I feel better for it though!!!
There is too much apathy for any campaign to oust the chairman. I am not being negative here, I am talking from personal experienced, when my life became a living *hell* because of the "Gartside Out" campaign, to the extent I felt my family were at risk.

The chairman is not going anywhere, unless it is a better offer from the FA, retirement or the reaper.

The only alternative course of action is for people to vote with their feet and stop their purchases at the stadium, stop buying replica kits, stop using the businesses that advertise at the ground. It will never happen.
[quote][p][bold]keithyno.1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whites64[/bold] wrote: The Chairman hasn't lost interest in the fans - His actions suggest that he never had any respect for them. Remember his comments on GMR about fans who had phoned in to crticise Owen Coyle's performance when we were sliding down the Premier League - he called them 'numptys' who knew nothing about football. Remember the film of him trying to do a secret deal on crowd favourite Okocha. Remember him trying to get our club sponsored by Quick Quid when lots of local people are struggling with debts. Remember what came to light in the recent court case about agents transfer fee payments. Is this how a Chairman shows respect to fans of our once proud club? As Chairman I believe that he has two principal responsibilities i.e. looking after the finances of the club and appointment of the manager.. On the finances he argues that although we have debts of £163m debt the bulk of this is owed to Eddie Davis - but we have still lost £163m. Shouldn't we all, not least Eddie Davies, be asking how we came to be in this position in the first place after 12 years of Premiership money. In more debt I suspect than when Portsmouth & Leeds were when they went bust. It's not as though the money was spent on buying good re-saleable playing assets - no one wanted to pay money for most of our players, and even when we did have saleable assets that wouldn't re-sign for the club we let their contracts run down. We are doing the same thing now with Chungy and Bogdan who will no doubt leave for nothing next summer or for a pittance in January. In the meantime it appears we can't afford the salaries of pretty average loan players. The financial management under the Chairman's watch must go down as an object lesson in how not to run a football club. On appointment of managers - what a record. Three terrible appointments in a row prior to Dougie (the Chairman can't disagree as he sacked all three eventually). Sadly, I am convinced that Dougie is his fourth duff appointment. When the Club belatedly realises he has to go - perhaps when DF beats his own record and oversees the worst league start since the club was founded, as opposed to the worst for 111 years which he managed last year - why would anyone think that the Chairman was capable of making a good appointment next time? Against this assessment the Chairman has failed in terms of his principle responsibilities and I believe that for the good of the business he should step down voluntarily in recognition of what has happened to the club under his leadership. If not then it is up to Eddie Davies to decide that it's time for a change. In the meantime I understand that he is an Executive Chairman and that the role commands a significant salary - I don't know if he is still drawing that salary but if he is then I think he should consider if that is still appropriate in the present circumstances. Who knows - that might mean that we could afford to loan the sort of striker we need. O.K. that's my rant over.[/p][/quote]Well Whites64, as rants go that's a very eloquent one! I think you've comprehensively summed up why Gartside has to go, be sacked, resign or just do a runner as far away from the Macron Stadium as possible before BWFC will ever start to rise from the ashes and recover from his disastrous reign as 'Chairman' of the club (what a ridiculously grand title for one so inept, amateurish, incapable and completely lacking any qualification or ability to run the club). If the club owner Eddie Davies had employed such an incompetent to run any of his other businesses he would surely have ended up bankrupt rather than have become a self-made millionaire, and I cannot for the life of me see why he has not seen right through Gartside for the utter impostor he is when it comes to being fit for running a modern-day Football League club...I've often wondered, does Gartside have something 'on' him, preventing Mr Davies sacking off the useless t*sser??!! I really feel that WHATEVER manager is in place, the club will not progress and only decline as long as Gartside runs the show. So, BWFC fans, I feel NOW is the time and the duty of all of us who love our club to campaign like never before, vigorously and with fervour, for GARTSIDE TO GO!! If the shouts and protests are loud enough and long enough then Eddie Davies MUST eventually realise that his position is untenable at the club, and he'll finally take action to get shut and replace him with someone who actually knows what he or she is doing, before the club starts knocking on the door of the Conference. As well as making our feelings heard and seen during each game about Gartside (not the players, because I honestly feel they're giving of their best in appalling circumstances), if each BWFC supporter sent a letter to the club personally addressed to Eddie Davies and marked 'Private & Confidential' c/o BWFC, Macron Stadium, Burnden Way, Bolton, BL6 6JW outlining their unhappiness with Gartside in the job and explaining why he's GOT to go, then the owner will HAVE to sit up and take notice, and take action!! OK, that's MY rant over, but god, I feel better for it though!!![/p][/quote]There is too much apathy for any campaign to oust the chairman. I am not being negative here, I am talking from personal experienced, when my life became a living *hell* because of the "Gartside Out" campaign, to the extent I felt my family were at risk. The chairman is not going anywhere, unless it is a better offer from the FA, retirement or the reaper. The only alternative course of action is for people to vote with their feet and stop their purchases at the stadium, stop buying replica kits, stop using the businesses that advertise at the ground. It will never happen. SeattleWanderer
  • Score: 1

10:52pm Wed 3 Sep 14

keithyno.1 says...

SeattleWanderer wrote:
keithyno.1 wrote:
Whites64 wrote:
The Chairman hasn't lost interest in the fans - His actions suggest that he never had any respect for them. Remember his comments on GMR about fans who had phoned in to crticise Owen Coyle's performance when we were sliding down the Premier League - he called them 'numptys' who knew nothing about football. Remember the film of him trying to do a secret deal on crowd favourite Okocha. Remember him trying to get our club sponsored by Quick Quid when lots of local people are struggling with debts. Remember what came to light in the recent court case about agents transfer fee payments. Is this how a Chairman shows respect to fans of our once proud club?

As Chairman I believe that he has two principal responsibilities i.e. looking after the finances of the club and appointment of the manager..

On the finances he argues that although we have debts of £163m debt the bulk of this is owed to Eddie Davis - but we have still lost £163m. Shouldn't we all, not least Eddie Davies, be asking how we came to be in this position in the first place after 12 years of Premiership money. In more debt I suspect than when Portsmouth & Leeds were when they went bust. It's not as though the money was spent on buying good re-saleable playing assets - no one wanted to pay money for most of our players, and even when we did have saleable assets that wouldn't re-sign for the club we let their contracts run down. We are doing the same thing now with Chungy and Bogdan who will no doubt leave for nothing next summer or for a pittance in January. In the meantime it appears we can't afford the salaries of pretty average loan players. The financial management under the Chairman's watch must go down as an object lesson in how not to run a football club.

On appointment of managers - what a record. Three terrible appointments in a row prior to Dougie (the Chairman can't disagree as he sacked all three eventually). Sadly, I am convinced that Dougie is his fourth duff appointment. When the Club belatedly realises he has to go - perhaps when DF beats his own record and oversees the worst league start since the club was founded, as opposed to the worst for 111 years which he managed last year - why would anyone think that the Chairman was capable of making a good appointment next time?

Against this assessment the Chairman has failed in terms of his principle responsibilities and I believe that for the good of the business he should step down voluntarily in recognition of what has happened to the club under his leadership. If not then it is up to Eddie Davies to decide that it's time for a change.

In the meantime I understand that he is an Executive Chairman and that the role commands a significant salary - I don't know if he is still drawing that salary but if he is then I think he should consider if that is still appropriate in the present circumstances. Who knows - that might mean that we could afford to loan the sort of striker we need.

O.K. that's my rant over.
Well Whites64, as rants go that's a very eloquent one! I think you've comprehensively summed up why Gartside has to go, be sacked, resign or just do a runner as far away from the Macron Stadium as possible before BWFC will ever start to rise from the ashes and recover from his disastrous reign as 'Chairman' of the club (what a ridiculously grand title for one so inept, amateurish, incapable and completely lacking any qualification or ability to run the club).

If the club owner Eddie Davies had employed such an incompetent to run any of his other businesses he would surely have ended up bankrupt rather than have become a self-made millionaire, and I cannot for the life of me see why he has not seen right through Gartside for the utter impostor he is when it comes to being fit for running a modern-day Football League club...I've often wondered, does Gartside have something 'on' him, preventing Mr Davies sacking off the useless t*sser??!!

I really feel that WHATEVER manager is in place, the club will not progress and only decline as long as Gartside runs the show.

So, BWFC fans, I feel NOW is the time and the duty of all of us who love our club to campaign like never before, vigorously and with fervour, for GARTSIDE TO GO!! If the shouts and protests are loud enough and long enough then Eddie Davies MUST eventually realise that his position is untenable at the club, and he'll finally take action to get shut and replace him with someone who actually knows what he or she is doing, before the club starts knocking on the door of the Conference.

As well as making our feelings heard and seen during each game about Gartside (not the players, because I honestly feel they're giving of their best in appalling circumstances), if each BWFC supporter sent a letter to the club personally addressed to Eddie Davies and marked 'Private & Confidential' c/o BWFC, Macron Stadium, Burnden Way, Bolton, BL6 6JW outlining their unhappiness with Gartside in the job and explaining why he's GOT to go, then the owner will HAVE to sit up and take notice, and take action!!

OK, that's MY rant over, but god, I feel better for it though!!!
There is too much apathy for any campaign to oust the chairman. I am not being negative here, I am talking from personal experienced, when my life became a living *hell* because of the "Gartside Out" campaign, to the extent I felt my family were at risk.

The chairman is not going anywhere, unless it is a better offer from the FA, retirement or the reaper.

The only alternative course of action is for people to vote with their feet and stop their purchases at the stadium, stop buying replica kits, stop using the businesses that advertise at the ground. It will never happen.
SeattleWanderer, I can't help wondering why your life became a living *hell* because of the "Gartside Out" campaign, to the extent you felt your family were at risk (as quoted above)...why would anybody be affected, other than Phil Gartside? Unless YOU are Phil Gartside behind your pseudonym, which I very much doubt from reading the rest of your comments?!
I'd be really grateful if you'd care to expand in case I'm missing something really obvious here, but if it's something very personal which would cause you more upset/trouble/danger to your family or whatever, then I'd fully understand your desire to say no more...
[quote][p][bold]SeattleWanderer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]keithyno.1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whites64[/bold] wrote: The Chairman hasn't lost interest in the fans - His actions suggest that he never had any respect for them. Remember his comments on GMR about fans who had phoned in to crticise Owen Coyle's performance when we were sliding down the Premier League - he called them 'numptys' who knew nothing about football. Remember the film of him trying to do a secret deal on crowd favourite Okocha. Remember him trying to get our club sponsored by Quick Quid when lots of local people are struggling with debts. Remember what came to light in the recent court case about agents transfer fee payments. Is this how a Chairman shows respect to fans of our once proud club? As Chairman I believe that he has two principal responsibilities i.e. looking after the finances of the club and appointment of the manager.. On the finances he argues that although we have debts of £163m debt the bulk of this is owed to Eddie Davis - but we have still lost £163m. Shouldn't we all, not least Eddie Davies, be asking how we came to be in this position in the first place after 12 years of Premiership money. In more debt I suspect than when Portsmouth & Leeds were when they went bust. It's not as though the money was spent on buying good re-saleable playing assets - no one wanted to pay money for most of our players, and even when we did have saleable assets that wouldn't re-sign for the club we let their contracts run down. We are doing the same thing now with Chungy and Bogdan who will no doubt leave for nothing next summer or for a pittance in January. In the meantime it appears we can't afford the salaries of pretty average loan players. The financial management under the Chairman's watch must go down as an object lesson in how not to run a football club. On appointment of managers - what a record. Three terrible appointments in a row prior to Dougie (the Chairman can't disagree as he sacked all three eventually). Sadly, I am convinced that Dougie is his fourth duff appointment. When the Club belatedly realises he has to go - perhaps when DF beats his own record and oversees the worst league start since the club was founded, as opposed to the worst for 111 years which he managed last year - why would anyone think that the Chairman was capable of making a good appointment next time? Against this assessment the Chairman has failed in terms of his principle responsibilities and I believe that for the good of the business he should step down voluntarily in recognition of what has happened to the club under his leadership. If not then it is up to Eddie Davies to decide that it's time for a change. In the meantime I understand that he is an Executive Chairman and that the role commands a significant salary - I don't know if he is still drawing that salary but if he is then I think he should consider if that is still appropriate in the present circumstances. Who knows - that might mean that we could afford to loan the sort of striker we need. O.K. that's my rant over.[/p][/quote]Well Whites64, as rants go that's a very eloquent one! I think you've comprehensively summed up why Gartside has to go, be sacked, resign or just do a runner as far away from the Macron Stadium as possible before BWFC will ever start to rise from the ashes and recover from his disastrous reign as 'Chairman' of the club (what a ridiculously grand title for one so inept, amateurish, incapable and completely lacking any qualification or ability to run the club). If the club owner Eddie Davies had employed such an incompetent to run any of his other businesses he would surely have ended up bankrupt rather than have become a self-made millionaire, and I cannot for the life of me see why he has not seen right through Gartside for the utter impostor he is when it comes to being fit for running a modern-day Football League club...I've often wondered, does Gartside have something 'on' him, preventing Mr Davies sacking off the useless t*sser??!! I really feel that WHATEVER manager is in place, the club will not progress and only decline as long as Gartside runs the show. So, BWFC fans, I feel NOW is the time and the duty of all of us who love our club to campaign like never before, vigorously and with fervour, for GARTSIDE TO GO!! If the shouts and protests are loud enough and long enough then Eddie Davies MUST eventually realise that his position is untenable at the club, and he'll finally take action to get shut and replace him with someone who actually knows what he or she is doing, before the club starts knocking on the door of the Conference. As well as making our feelings heard and seen during each game about Gartside (not the players, because I honestly feel they're giving of their best in appalling circumstances), if each BWFC supporter sent a letter to the club personally addressed to Eddie Davies and marked 'Private & Confidential' c/o BWFC, Macron Stadium, Burnden Way, Bolton, BL6 6JW outlining their unhappiness with Gartside in the job and explaining why he's GOT to go, then the owner will HAVE to sit up and take notice, and take action!! OK, that's MY rant over, but god, I feel better for it though!!![/p][/quote]There is too much apathy for any campaign to oust the chairman. I am not being negative here, I am talking from personal experienced, when my life became a living *hell* because of the "Gartside Out" campaign, to the extent I felt my family were at risk. The chairman is not going anywhere, unless it is a better offer from the FA, retirement or the reaper. The only alternative course of action is for people to vote with their feet and stop their purchases at the stadium, stop buying replica kits, stop using the businesses that advertise at the ground. It will never happen.[/p][/quote]SeattleWanderer, I can't help wondering why your life became a living *hell* because of the "Gartside Out" campaign, to the extent you felt your family were at risk (as quoted above)...why would anybody be affected, other than Phil Gartside? Unless YOU are Phil Gartside behind your pseudonym, which I very much doubt from reading the rest of your comments?! I'd be really grateful if you'd care to expand in case I'm missing something really obvious here, but if it's something very personal which would cause you more upset/trouble/danger to your family or whatever, then I'd fully understand your desire to say no more... keithyno.1
  • Score: 0

12:29am Thu 4 Sep 14

SeattleWanderer says...

keithyno.1 wrote:
SeattleWanderer wrote:
keithyno.1 wrote:
Whites64 wrote:
The Chairman hasn't lost interest in the fans - His actions suggest that he never had any respect for them. Remember his comments on GMR about fans who had phoned in to crticise Owen Coyle's performance when we were sliding down the Premier League - he called them 'numptys' who knew nothing about football. Remember the film of him trying to do a secret deal on crowd favourite Okocha. Remember him trying to get our club sponsored by Quick Quid when lots of local people are struggling with debts. Remember what came to light in the recent court case about agents transfer fee payments. Is this how a Chairman shows respect to fans of our once proud club?

As Chairman I believe that he has two principal responsibilities i.e. looking after the finances of the club and appointment of the manager..

On the finances he argues that although we have debts of £163m debt the bulk of this is owed to Eddie Davis - but we have still lost £163m. Shouldn't we all, not least Eddie Davies, be asking how we came to be in this position in the first place after 12 years of Premiership money. In more debt I suspect than when Portsmouth & Leeds were when they went bust. It's not as though the money was spent on buying good re-saleable playing assets - no one wanted to pay money for most of our players, and even when we did have saleable assets that wouldn't re-sign for the club we let their contracts run down. We are doing the same thing now with Chungy and Bogdan who will no doubt leave for nothing next summer or for a pittance in January. In the meantime it appears we can't afford the salaries of pretty average loan players. The financial management under the Chairman's watch must go down as an object lesson in how not to run a football club.

On appointment of managers - what a record. Three terrible appointments in a row prior to Dougie (the Chairman can't disagree as he sacked all three eventually). Sadly, I am convinced that Dougie is his fourth duff appointment. When the Club belatedly realises he has to go - perhaps when DF beats his own record and oversees the worst league start since the club was founded, as opposed to the worst for 111 years which he managed last year - why would anyone think that the Chairman was capable of making a good appointment next time?

Against this assessment the Chairman has failed in terms of his principle responsibilities and I believe that for the good of the business he should step down voluntarily in recognition of what has happened to the club under his leadership. If not then it is up to Eddie Davies to decide that it's time for a change.

In the meantime I understand that he is an Executive Chairman and that the role commands a significant salary - I don't know if he is still drawing that salary but if he is then I think he should consider if that is still appropriate in the present circumstances. Who knows - that might mean that we could afford to loan the sort of striker we need.

O.K. that's my rant over.
Well Whites64, as rants go that's a very eloquent one! I think you've comprehensively summed up why Gartside has to go, be sacked, resign or just do a runner as far away from the Macron Stadium as possible before BWFC will ever start to rise from the ashes and recover from his disastrous reign as 'Chairman' of the club (what a ridiculously grand title for one so inept, amateurish, incapable and completely lacking any qualification or ability to run the club).

If the club owner Eddie Davies had employed such an incompetent to run any of his other businesses he would surely have ended up bankrupt rather than have become a self-made millionaire, and I cannot for the life of me see why he has not seen right through Gartside for the utter impostor he is when it comes to being fit for running a modern-day Football League club...I've often wondered, does Gartside have something 'on' him, preventing Mr Davies sacking off the useless t*sser??!!

I really feel that WHATEVER manager is in place, the club will not progress and only decline as long as Gartside runs the show.

So, BWFC fans, I feel NOW is the time and the duty of all of us who love our club to campaign like never before, vigorously and with fervour, for GARTSIDE TO GO!! If the shouts and protests are loud enough and long enough then Eddie Davies MUST eventually realise that his position is untenable at the club, and he'll finally take action to get shut and replace him with someone who actually knows what he or she is doing, before the club starts knocking on the door of the Conference.

As well as making our feelings heard and seen during each game about Gartside (not the players, because I honestly feel they're giving of their best in appalling circumstances), if each BWFC supporter sent a letter to the club personally addressed to Eddie Davies and marked 'Private & Confidential' c/o BWFC, Macron Stadium, Burnden Way, Bolton, BL6 6JW outlining their unhappiness with Gartside in the job and explaining why he's GOT to go, then the owner will HAVE to sit up and take notice, and take action!!

OK, that's MY rant over, but god, I feel better for it though!!!
There is too much apathy for any campaign to oust the chairman. I am not being negative here, I am talking from personal experienced, when my life became a living *hell* because of the "Gartside Out" campaign, to the extent I felt my family were at risk.

The chairman is not going anywhere, unless it is a better offer from the FA, retirement or the reaper.

The only alternative course of action is for people to vote with their feet and stop their purchases at the stadium, stop buying replica kits, stop using the businesses that advertise at the ground. It will never happen.
SeattleWanderer, I can't help wondering why your life became a living *hell* because of the "Gartside Out" campaign, to the extent you felt your family were at risk (as quoted above)...why would anybody be affected, other than Phil Gartside? Unless YOU are Phil Gartside behind your pseudonym, which I very much doubt from reading the rest of your comments?!
I'd be really grateful if you'd care to expand in case I'm missing something really obvious here, but if it's something very personal which would cause you more upset/trouble/danger to your family or whatever, then I'd fully understand your desire to say no more...
A lot of personal abuse via the site I set up, e-mail and twitter and websites in general. More people were against the campaign than were for it. I was interviewed on Radio Manchester by Diane Oxberry and Eammon O'Neal and after that I decided to wrap it up.
[quote][p][bold]keithyno.1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SeattleWanderer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]keithyno.1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whites64[/bold] wrote: The Chairman hasn't lost interest in the fans - His actions suggest that he never had any respect for them. Remember his comments on GMR about fans who had phoned in to crticise Owen Coyle's performance when we were sliding down the Premier League - he called them 'numptys' who knew nothing about football. Remember the film of him trying to do a secret deal on crowd favourite Okocha. Remember him trying to get our club sponsored by Quick Quid when lots of local people are struggling with debts. Remember what came to light in the recent court case about agents transfer fee payments. Is this how a Chairman shows respect to fans of our once proud club? As Chairman I believe that he has two principal responsibilities i.e. looking after the finances of the club and appointment of the manager.. On the finances he argues that although we have debts of £163m debt the bulk of this is owed to Eddie Davis - but we have still lost £163m. Shouldn't we all, not least Eddie Davies, be asking how we came to be in this position in the first place after 12 years of Premiership money. In more debt I suspect than when Portsmouth & Leeds were when they went bust. It's not as though the money was spent on buying good re-saleable playing assets - no one wanted to pay money for most of our players, and even when we did have saleable assets that wouldn't re-sign for the club we let their contracts run down. We are doing the same thing now with Chungy and Bogdan who will no doubt leave for nothing next summer or for a pittance in January. In the meantime it appears we can't afford the salaries of pretty average loan players. The financial management under the Chairman's watch must go down as an object lesson in how not to run a football club. On appointment of managers - what a record. Three terrible appointments in a row prior to Dougie (the Chairman can't disagree as he sacked all three eventually). Sadly, I am convinced that Dougie is his fourth duff appointment. When the Club belatedly realises he has to go - perhaps when DF beats his own record and oversees the worst league start since the club was founded, as opposed to the worst for 111 years which he managed last year - why would anyone think that the Chairman was capable of making a good appointment next time? Against this assessment the Chairman has failed in terms of his principle responsibilities and I believe that for the good of the business he should step down voluntarily in recognition of what has happened to the club under his leadership. If not then it is up to Eddie Davies to decide that it's time for a change. In the meantime I understand that he is an Executive Chairman and that the role commands a significant salary - I don't know if he is still drawing that salary but if he is then I think he should consider if that is still appropriate in the present circumstances. Who knows - that might mean that we could afford to loan the sort of striker we need. O.K. that's my rant over.[/p][/quote]Well Whites64, as rants go that's a very eloquent one! I think you've comprehensively summed up why Gartside has to go, be sacked, resign or just do a runner as far away from the Macron Stadium as possible before BWFC will ever start to rise from the ashes and recover from his disastrous reign as 'Chairman' of the club (what a ridiculously grand title for one so inept, amateurish, incapable and completely lacking any qualification or ability to run the club). If the club owner Eddie Davies had employed such an incompetent to run any of his other businesses he would surely have ended up bankrupt rather than have become a self-made millionaire, and I cannot for the life of me see why he has not seen right through Gartside for the utter impostor he is when it comes to being fit for running a modern-day Football League club...I've often wondered, does Gartside have something 'on' him, preventing Mr Davies sacking off the useless t*sser??!! I really feel that WHATEVER manager is in place, the club will not progress and only decline as long as Gartside runs the show. So, BWFC fans, I feel NOW is the time and the duty of all of us who love our club to campaign like never before, vigorously and with fervour, for GARTSIDE TO GO!! If the shouts and protests are loud enough and long enough then Eddie Davies MUST eventually realise that his position is untenable at the club, and he'll finally take action to get shut and replace him with someone who actually knows what he or she is doing, before the club starts knocking on the door of the Conference. As well as making our feelings heard and seen during each game about Gartside (not the players, because I honestly feel they're giving of their best in appalling circumstances), if each BWFC supporter sent a letter to the club personally addressed to Eddie Davies and marked 'Private & Confidential' c/o BWFC, Macron Stadium, Burnden Way, Bolton, BL6 6JW outlining their unhappiness with Gartside in the job and explaining why he's GOT to go, then the owner will HAVE to sit up and take notice, and take action!! OK, that's MY rant over, but god, I feel better for it though!!![/p][/quote]There is too much apathy for any campaign to oust the chairman. I am not being negative here, I am talking from personal experienced, when my life became a living *hell* because of the "Gartside Out" campaign, to the extent I felt my family were at risk. The chairman is not going anywhere, unless it is a better offer from the FA, retirement or the reaper. The only alternative course of action is for people to vote with their feet and stop their purchases at the stadium, stop buying replica kits, stop using the businesses that advertise at the ground. It will never happen.[/p][/quote]SeattleWanderer, I can't help wondering why your life became a living *hell* because of the "Gartside Out" campaign, to the extent you felt your family were at risk (as quoted above)...why would anybody be affected, other than Phil Gartside? Unless YOU are Phil Gartside behind your pseudonym, which I very much doubt from reading the rest of your comments?! I'd be really grateful if you'd care to expand in case I'm missing something really obvious here, but if it's something very personal which would cause you more upset/trouble/danger to your family or whatever, then I'd fully understand your desire to say no more...[/p][/quote]A lot of personal abuse via the site I set up, e-mail and twitter and websites in general. More people were against the campaign than were for it. I was interviewed on Radio Manchester by Diane Oxberry and Eammon O'Neal and after that I decided to wrap it up. SeattleWanderer
  • Score: 0

8:29am Thu 4 Sep 14

pault says...

keithyno.1 wrote:
SeattleWanderer wrote:
keithyno.1 wrote:
Whites64 wrote:
The Chairman hasn't lost interest in the fans - His actions suggest that he never had any respect for them. Remember his comments on GMR about fans who had phoned in to crticise Owen Coyle's performance when we were sliding down the Premier League - he called them 'numptys' who knew nothing about football. Remember the film of him trying to do a secret deal on crowd favourite Okocha. Remember him trying to get our club sponsored by Quick Quid when lots of local people are struggling with debts. Remember what came to light in the recent court case about agents transfer fee payments. Is this how a Chairman shows respect to fans of our once proud club?

As Chairman I believe that he has two principal responsibilities i.e. looking after the finances of the club and appointment of the manager..

On the finances he argues that although we have debts of £163m debt the bulk of this is owed to Eddie Davis - but we have still lost £163m. Shouldn't we all, not least Eddie Davies, be asking how we came to be in this position in the first place after 12 years of Premiership money. In more debt I suspect than when Portsmouth & Leeds were when they went bust. It's not as though the money was spent on buying good re-saleable playing assets - no one wanted to pay money for most of our players, and even when we did have saleable assets that wouldn't re-sign for the club we let their contracts run down. We are doing the same thing now with Chungy and Bogdan who will no doubt leave for nothing next summer or for a pittance in January. In the meantime it appears we can't afford the salaries of pretty average loan players. The financial management under the Chairman's watch must go down as an object lesson in how not to run a football club.

On appointment of managers - what a record. Three terrible appointments in a row prior to Dougie (the Chairman can't disagree as he sacked all three eventually). Sadly, I am convinced that Dougie is his fourth duff appointment. When the Club belatedly realises he has to go - perhaps when DF beats his own record and oversees the worst league start since the club was founded, as opposed to the worst for 111 years which he managed last year - why would anyone think that the Chairman was capable of making a good appointment next time?

Against this assessment the Chairman has failed in terms of his principle responsibilities and I believe that for the good of the business he should step down voluntarily in recognition of what has happened to the club under his leadership. If not then it is up to Eddie Davies to decide that it's time for a change.

In the meantime I understand that he is an Executive Chairman and that the role commands a significant salary - I don't know if he is still drawing that salary but if he is then I think he should consider if that is still appropriate in the present circumstances. Who knows - that might mean that we could afford to loan the sort of striker we need.

O.K. that's my rant over.
Well Whites64, as rants go that's a very eloquent one! I think you've comprehensively summed up why Gartside has to go, be sacked, resign or just do a runner as far away from the Macron Stadium as possible before BWFC will ever start to rise from the ashes and recover from his disastrous reign as 'Chairman' of the club (what a ridiculously grand title for one so inept, amateurish, incapable and completely lacking any qualification or ability to run the club).

If the club owner Eddie Davies had employed such an incompetent to run any of his other businesses he would surely have ended up bankrupt rather than have become a self-made millionaire, and I cannot for the life of me see why he has not seen right through Gartside for the utter impostor he is when it comes to being fit for running a modern-day Football League club...I've often wondered, does Gartside have something 'on' him, preventing Mr Davies sacking off the useless t*sser??!!

I really feel that WHATEVER manager is in place, the club will not progress and only decline as long as Gartside runs the show.

So, BWFC fans, I feel NOW is the time and the duty of all of us who love our club to campaign like never before, vigorously and with fervour, for GARTSIDE TO GO!! If the shouts and protests are loud enough and long enough then Eddie Davies MUST eventually realise that his position is untenable at the club, and he'll finally take action to get shut and replace him with someone who actually knows what he or she is doing, before the club starts knocking on the door of the Conference.

As well as making our feelings heard and seen during each game about Gartside (not the players, because I honestly feel they're giving of their best in appalling circumstances), if each BWFC supporter sent a letter to the club personally addressed to Eddie Davies and marked 'Private & Confidential' c/o BWFC, Macron Stadium, Burnden Way, Bolton, BL6 6JW outlining their unhappiness with Gartside in the job and explaining why he's GOT to go, then the owner will HAVE to sit up and take notice, and take action!!

OK, that's MY rant over, but god, I feel better for it though!!!
There is too much apathy for any campaign to oust the chairman. I am not being negative here, I am talking from personal experienced, when my life became a living *hell* because of the "Gartside Out" campaign, to the extent I felt my family were at risk.

The chairman is not going anywhere, unless it is a better offer from the FA, retirement or the reaper.

The only alternative course of action is for people to vote with their feet and stop their purchases at the stadium, stop buying replica kits, stop using the businesses that advertise at the ground. It will never happen.
SeattleWanderer, I can't help wondering why your life became a living *hell* because of the "Gartside Out" campaign, to the extent you felt your family were at risk (as quoted above)...why would anybody be affected, other than Phil Gartside? Unless YOU are Phil Gartside behind your pseudonym, which I very much doubt from reading the rest of your comments?!
I'd be really grateful if you'd care to expand in case I'm missing something really obvious here, but if it's something very personal which would cause you more upset/trouble/danger to your family or whatever, then I'd fully understand your desire to say no more...
"if each BWFC supporter sent a letter to the club personally addressed to Eddie Davies and marked 'Private & Confidential' c/o BWFC, Macron Stadium, Burnden Way, Bolton, BL6 6JW" ...But do we trust Gartside to hand these letters to his boss? In light of recent revelations re JJs contract, Rivaldo's FAX etc etc I have grave doubts he would.

Over the years we've been at the Reebok, I've always had this sinking feeling in my guts that far wealthier investers have approached Gartside/BWFC with offers/interest to take the club over BUT Gartside didn't inform the owner about those offers for various/OBVIOUS reasons!
[quote][p][bold]keithyno.1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SeattleWanderer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]keithyno.1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whites64[/bold] wrote: The Chairman hasn't lost interest in the fans - His actions suggest that he never had any respect for them. Remember his comments on GMR about fans who had phoned in to crticise Owen Coyle's performance when we were sliding down the Premier League - he called them 'numptys' who knew nothing about football. Remember the film of him trying to do a secret deal on crowd favourite Okocha. Remember him trying to get our club sponsored by Quick Quid when lots of local people are struggling with debts. Remember what came to light in the recent court case about agents transfer fee payments. Is this how a Chairman shows respect to fans of our once proud club? As Chairman I believe that he has two principal responsibilities i.e. looking after the finances of the club and appointment of the manager.. On the finances he argues that although we have debts of £163m debt the bulk of this is owed to Eddie Davis - but we have still lost £163m. Shouldn't we all, not least Eddie Davies, be asking how we came to be in this position in the first place after 12 years of Premiership money. In more debt I suspect than when Portsmouth & Leeds were when they went bust. It's not as though the money was spent on buying good re-saleable playing assets - no one wanted to pay money for most of our players, and even when we did have saleable assets that wouldn't re-sign for the club we let their contracts run down. We are doing the same thing now with Chungy and Bogdan who will no doubt leave for nothing next summer or for a pittance in January. In the meantime it appears we can't afford the salaries of pretty average loan players. The financial management under the Chairman's watch must go down as an object lesson in how not to run a football club. On appointment of managers - what a record. Three terrible appointments in a row prior to Dougie (the Chairman can't disagree as he sacked all three eventually). Sadly, I am convinced that Dougie is his fourth duff appointment. When the Club belatedly realises he has to go - perhaps when DF beats his own record and oversees the worst league start since the club was founded, as opposed to the worst for 111 years which he managed last year - why would anyone think that the Chairman was capable of making a good appointment next time? Against this assessment the Chairman has failed in terms of his principle responsibilities and I believe that for the good of the business he should step down voluntarily in recognition of what has happened to the club under his leadership. If not then it is up to Eddie Davies to decide that it's time for a change. In the meantime I understand that he is an Executive Chairman and that the role commands a significant salary - I don't know if he is still drawing that salary but if he is then I think he should consider if that is still appropriate in the present circumstances. Who knows - that might mean that we could afford to loan the sort of striker we need. O.K. that's my rant over.[/p][/quote]Well Whites64, as rants go that's a very eloquent one! I think you've comprehensively summed up why Gartside has to go, be sacked, resign or just do a runner as far away from the Macron Stadium as possible before BWFC will ever start to rise from the ashes and recover from his disastrous reign as 'Chairman' of the club (what a ridiculously grand title for one so inept, amateurish, incapable and completely lacking any qualification or ability to run the club). If the club owner Eddie Davies had employed such an incompetent to run any of his other businesses he would surely have ended up bankrupt rather than have become a self-made millionaire, and I cannot for the life of me see why he has not seen right through Gartside for the utter impostor he is when it comes to being fit for running a modern-day Football League club...I've often wondered, does Gartside have something 'on' him, preventing Mr Davies sacking off the useless t*sser??!! I really feel that WHATEVER manager is in place, the club will not progress and only decline as long as Gartside runs the show. So, BWFC fans, I feel NOW is the time and the duty of all of us who love our club to campaign like never before, vigorously and with fervour, for GARTSIDE TO GO!! If the shouts and protests are loud enough and long enough then Eddie Davies MUST eventually realise that his position is untenable at the club, and he'll finally take action to get shut and replace him with someone who actually knows what he or she is doing, before the club starts knocking on the door of the Conference. As well as making our feelings heard and seen during each game about Gartside (not the players, because I honestly feel they're giving of their best in appalling circumstances), if each BWFC supporter sent a letter to the club personally addressed to Eddie Davies and marked 'Private & Confidential' c/o BWFC, Macron Stadium, Burnden Way, Bolton, BL6 6JW outlining their unhappiness with Gartside in the job and explaining why he's GOT to go, then the owner will HAVE to sit up and take notice, and take action!! OK, that's MY rant over, but god, I feel better for it though!!![/p][/quote]There is too much apathy for any campaign to oust the chairman. I am not being negative here, I am talking from personal experienced, when my life became a living *hell* because of the "Gartside Out" campaign, to the extent I felt my family were at risk. The chairman is not going anywhere, unless it is a better offer from the FA, retirement or the reaper. The only alternative course of action is for people to vote with their feet and stop their purchases at the stadium, stop buying replica kits, stop using the businesses that advertise at the ground. It will never happen.[/p][/quote]SeattleWanderer, I can't help wondering why your life became a living *hell* because of the "Gartside Out" campaign, to the extent you felt your family were at risk (as quoted above)...why would anybody be affected, other than Phil Gartside? Unless YOU are Phil Gartside behind your pseudonym, which I very much doubt from reading the rest of your comments?! I'd be really grateful if you'd care to expand in case I'm missing something really obvious here, but if it's something very personal which would cause you more upset/trouble/danger to your family or whatever, then I'd fully understand your desire to say no more...[/p][/quote]"if each BWFC supporter sent a letter to the club personally addressed to Eddie Davies and marked 'Private & Confidential' c/o BWFC, Macron Stadium, Burnden Way, Bolton, BL6 6JW" ...But do we trust Gartside to hand these letters to his boss? In light of recent revelations re JJs contract, Rivaldo's FAX etc etc I have grave doubts he would. Over the years we've been at the Reebok, I've always had this sinking feeling in my guts that far wealthier investers have approached Gartside/BWFC with offers/interest to take the club over BUT Gartside didn't inform the owner about those offers for various/OBVIOUS reasons! pault
  • Score: 0

9:03am Thu 4 Sep 14

jay7767 says...

mick-t wrote:
bwfcrgr8 wrote:
please stop banging on about missed transfer targets etc.
The current team/squad is still massively under performing and this is down to one man alone. The manager!
He can bleat on all he wants with his sob stories but the fact remains we still have a squad capable of challenging with the right man in charge!
Mabe if he actually played players in form, in their correct positions & didn't tinker with the team EVERY game we might start to pick up some rhythm & go on a run.
Stop bleating you sheep can't you think for yourself, or are all the moron's brains in Bolton connected? Like one massive brain somewhere with gimps that have cpus in their heads!

Miserable ars3s like you conveniently forget how well we played when Dougie got decent players in Juke last season and Dawson the season before. That is one player each season that made a massive difference and made Dougie's tactics work. In the connected brain they were just flukes not tactics working!
When the right players play how Dougie wants them to we win 4-0 and 5-1 and go on runs. When players are under performing that is down to the individual players, their brains aren't connected to Dougie's like yours is connected to the "big brain" tuned into DUMB!
do you watch the same games we do.........
[quote][p][bold]mick-t[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bwfcrgr8[/bold] wrote: please stop banging on about missed transfer targets etc. The current team/squad is still massively under performing and this is down to one man alone. The manager! He can bleat on all he wants with his sob stories but the fact remains we still have a squad capable of challenging with the right man in charge! Mabe if he actually played players in form, in their correct positions & didn't tinker with the team EVERY game we might start to pick up some rhythm & go on a run.[/p][/quote]Stop bleating you sheep can't you think for yourself, or are all the moron's brains in Bolton connected? Like one massive brain somewhere with gimps that have cpus in their heads! Miserable ars3s like you conveniently forget how well we played when Dougie got decent players in Juke last season and Dawson the season before. That is one player each season that made a massive difference and made Dougie's tactics work. In the connected brain they were just flukes not tactics working! When the right players play how Dougie wants them to we win 4-0 and 5-1 and go on runs. When players are under performing that is down to the individual players, their brains aren't connected to Dougie's like yours is connected to the "big brain" tuned into DUMB![/p][/quote]do you watch the same games we do......... jay7767
  • Score: 1
Post a comment

Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link.

Send us your news, pictures and videos

Most read stories

Local Info

Enter your postcode, town or place name

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree