Bolton Council becomes first authority in Greater Manchester to announce council tax rise

The Bolton News: Bolton Town Hall Bolton Town Hall

COUNCIL tax looks set to rise — but the local authority’s lowest paid staff could be given a pay rise.

Leader of Bolton Council, Cllr Cliff Morris, has said the local authority should vote to increase the household charge by 1.94 per cent from April, just below the government referendum limit of two per cent.


  • Council tax recommended to rise by 1.94 per cent.
  • £400,000 could be spent improving the pay of Bolton Council’s lowest paid workers.
  • £1 million could be ploughed into Bolton’s main roads.
  • A further £1 million could be spent on the town’s residential streets.
  • Young people to benefit from £1 million of proposed funding.
  • Voluntary and community groups could be given £500,000 if they are considering working with the council to reduce demand on local authority services.
  • Plan to keep £3 million for “likely” shortfall in 2015-2016

It means Bolton Council is the only Greater Manchester authority to so far announce it intends to raise council tax.

Opposition leaders had argued the council should take up the government’s offer of £1 million to freeze council tax, and use part of the approximate £7 million of one-off funds available to the authority to make up the rest.

But Cllr Morris has said the authority had to prepare for a tough financial year in 2015/16 — where it will have to save another £25 million.

Raising council tax 1.94 per cent will translate to an increase of 31p a week for Band A properties, or £16.12 a year.

It will bring in an extra £1.6 million for the council. Cllr Morris said £3 million of the funds should be saved for 2015/16 — where the council is expected to have a £10 million cash shortfall.

And £400,000 should be spent boosting the pay of the authority’s employees on the minimum wage. Also included in his budget recommendation, which will be voted for at next Wednesday’s full council meeting, were plans for £2 million to be invested in Bolton’s roads and £1 million into facilities for young people.

Cllr Morris also called for £500,000 to go towards creating a hardship fund to support those affected by cuts in benefit payments, plus half a million pounds to provide support for community groups who “help assist in the reduction of demand of council services”.

He added the specifics of the funding had yet to be worked out.

Cllr Morris said: “My take on this is I’m trying to budget for the next four years, and if the government was serious they would have given this £1.6 million and put it in our base budget.

“We’re looking at £400,000 to lift our lowest paid employees to the first step of a living wage. We feel it’s the right thing to do.

“The budget is about choices, and I think there are only so many cuts we can take. Residents are telling us that they don’t want us to cut anymore.”

Councillors will vote on the leader’s recommendation at the next full council meeting, which takes place at Bolton Town Hall on Wednesday, February 26 at 7pm.

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11:07am Tue 18 Feb 14

Changing times says...

Quite honestly if this rise in council tax goes ahead Morris and all the the other so called Cllrs should be struck off .

To increase the already heavy tax burden on Bolton people is a disgrace ..... More efficiencies not taxes !
Quite honestly if this rise in council tax goes ahead Morris and all the the other so called Cllrs should be struck off . To increase the already heavy tax burden on Bolton people is a disgrace ..... More efficiencies not taxes ! Changing times

11:26am Tue 18 Feb 14

am2916 says...

I didn't see on the list councillors bonus. I imagine thats in the small print that us taxpayers don't see.
I didn't see on the list councillors bonus. I imagine thats in the small print that us taxpayers don't see. am2916

11:47am Tue 18 Feb 14

thankfully_not_from_here says...

"£400,000 could be spent improving the pay of Bolton Council’s lowest paid workers"

What about me? or the rest of us that are "low paid workers" so we need to do without further just to help the council’s lowest paid workers get a better wage, we dont get a wage rise or a cost of living rise top up, so why the hell should they!!!!

typical Bolton council buggering the poor workers of this town!
"£400,000 could be spent improving the pay of Bolton Council’s lowest paid workers" What about me? or the rest of us that are "low paid workers" so we need to do without further just to help the council’s lowest paid workers get a better wage, we dont get a wage rise or a cost of living rise top up, so why the hell should they!!!! typical Bolton council buggering the poor workers of this town! thankfully_not_from_here

11:58am Tue 18 Feb 14

shadowfax says...

stinks to high heaven....morris and his cronies are corrupt self serving parasites..wasting taxpayers money on an unbelievable scale { new bus station in a ridiculous location.....pointle
ss carbunkle of a xmas ferris wheel }
the whole shower of cretins at the town hall should be thouroughly investigated...then thrown out of office.....perhaps bring back the public stocks for them.... now that would be a money earner !!!!!!!
stinks to high heaven....morris and his cronies are corrupt self serving parasites..wasting taxpayers money on an unbelievable scale { new bus station in a ridiculous location.....pointle ss carbunkle of a xmas ferris wheel } the whole shower of cretins at the town hall should be thouroughly investigated...then thrown out of office.....perhaps bring back the public stocks for them.... now that would be a money earner !!!!!!! shadowfax

12:09pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Rawenergy says...

The BN should be the voice of the people. Morris and his overpaid staff need to know the harm they are doing to hard working families across the borough. When getting quotes from Morris, why not question why he is doing this, why he proposes cuts in all the wrong places, why he and the highest paid don't propose to take a pay cut. All the questions we all have, but never anyone can ask him personally so as a result we receive no answers.
The BN should be the voice of the people. Morris and his overpaid staff need to know the harm they are doing to hard working families across the borough. When getting quotes from Morris, why not question why he is doing this, why he proposes cuts in all the wrong places, why he and the highest paid don't propose to take a pay cut. All the questions we all have, but never anyone can ask him personally so as a result we receive no answers. Rawenergy

12:16pm Tue 18 Feb 14

The Righteous One says...

thankfully_not_from_
here
wrote:
"£400,000 could be spent improving the pay of Bolton Council’s lowest paid workers"

What about me? or the rest of us that are "low paid workers" so we need to do without further just to help the council’s lowest paid workers get a better wage, we dont get a wage rise or a cost of living rise top up, so why the hell should they!!!!

typical Bolton council buggering the poor workers of this town!
Possibly because they are actually worse off than you!! Many of the low paid workers which work for the council, such as care assistants, lillipop people, street cleaners, gardeners and many administrative positions within teh town hall itself are only on minimum wage and the so-called pay rise they "could" be getting will be to raise the minimum wage to the new legal limit which has been set from April - same with all other minimum wage earners in both the private and public sector!
[quote][p][bold]thankfully_not_from_ here[/bold] wrote: "£400,000 could be spent improving the pay of Bolton Council’s lowest paid workers" What about me? or the rest of us that are "low paid workers" so we need to do without further just to help the council’s lowest paid workers get a better wage, we dont get a wage rise or a cost of living rise top up, so why the hell should they!!!! typical Bolton council buggering the poor workers of this town![/p][/quote]Possibly because they are actually worse off than you!! Many of the low paid workers which work for the council, such as care assistants, lillipop people, street cleaners, gardeners and many administrative positions within teh town hall itself are only on minimum wage and the so-called pay rise they "could" be getting will be to raise the minimum wage to the new legal limit which has been set from April - same with all other minimum wage earners in both the private and public sector! The Righteous One

12:17pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Brumas says...

For all the previous commenter's that are complaining about the Council tax that looks set to rise for householders in Bolton and think it is unjustified. Just think of the residents of Blackrod, Horwich and Westhoughton who have to pay a precept on top of whatever Bolton pay for Council Tax (£34+ in my case) which will also have a % increase imposed on it. For Town Council's that are totally ineffectual. Let's do away with Town Councils and SAVE the residents of the above mentioned Townships some money.
For all the previous commenter's that are complaining about the Council tax that looks set to rise for householders in Bolton and think it is unjustified. Just think of the residents of Blackrod, Horwich and Westhoughton who have to pay a precept on top of whatever Bolton pay for Council Tax (£34+ in my case) which will also have a % increase imposed on it. For Town Council's that are totally ineffectual. Let's do away with Town Councils and SAVE the residents of the above mentioned Townships some money. Brumas

12:18pm Tue 18 Feb 14

thankfully_not_from_here says...

Looks like the councillors are on here reading these, judging how peoples "like" scores have been going down for speaking the truth
Looks like the councillors are on here reading these, judging how peoples "like" scores have been going down for speaking the truth thankfully_not_from_here

12:18pm Tue 18 Feb 14

The Righteous One says...

shadowfax wrote:
stinks to high heaven....morris and his cronies are corrupt self serving parasites..wasting taxpayers money on an unbelievable scale { new bus station in a ridiculous location.....pointle

ss carbunkle of a xmas ferris wheel }
the whole shower of cretins at the town hall should be thouroughly investigated...then thrown out of office.....perhaps bring back the public stocks for them.... now that would be a money earner !!!!!!!
Bus station is NOT being paid for by the council - that is being paid for by TfGM which the money has come from the Governments Transport Improvement Fund - therefore no council tax is being spent on the new bus station.

I may not like the current crop of parasites but lets get facts right before throwing a wobbly!
[quote][p][bold]shadowfax[/bold] wrote: stinks to high heaven....morris and his cronies are corrupt self serving parasites..wasting taxpayers money on an unbelievable scale { new bus station in a ridiculous location.....pointle ss carbunkle of a xmas ferris wheel } the whole shower of cretins at the town hall should be thouroughly investigated...then thrown out of office.....perhaps bring back the public stocks for them.... now that would be a money earner !!!!!!![/p][/quote]Bus station is NOT being paid for by the council - that is being paid for by TfGM which the money has come from the Governments Transport Improvement Fund - therefore no council tax is being spent on the new bus station. I may not like the current crop of parasites but lets get facts right before throwing a wobbly! The Righteous One

12:23pm Tue 18 Feb 14

thankfully_not_from_here says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thankfully_not_from_

here
wrote:
"£400,000 could be spent improving the pay of Bolton Council’s lowest paid workers"

What about me? or the rest of us that are "low paid workers" so we need to do without further just to help the council’s lowest paid workers get a better wage, we dont get a wage rise or a cost of living rise top up, so why the hell should they!!!!

typical Bolton council buggering the poor workers of this town!
Possibly because they are actually worse off than you!! Many of the low paid workers which work for the council, such as care assistants, lillipop people, street cleaners, gardeners and many administrative positions within teh town hall itself are only on minimum wage and the so-called pay rise they "could" be getting will be to raise the minimum wage to the new legal limit which has been set from April - same with all other minimum wage earners in both the private and public sector!
Oh right "The Righteous One" wake up and smell the coffee!!! you are so out of this world your on mars!!!

so by your logic hitting the poor to help the poor is acceptable to you??

I work 40 Hours a week in a low paid job & cant afford the rent & council tax as it is, as well as many other hard working people who live in this shittt holw of a town, and you think its ok to hit us even further and make us in even woworse financial hardship,

i think you should become a councillor!!!!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thankfully_not_from_ here[/bold] wrote: "£400,000 could be spent improving the pay of Bolton Council’s lowest paid workers" What about me? or the rest of us that are "low paid workers" so we need to do without further just to help the council’s lowest paid workers get a better wage, we dont get a wage rise or a cost of living rise top up, so why the hell should they!!!! typical Bolton council buggering the poor workers of this town![/p][/quote]Possibly because they are actually worse off than you!! Many of the low paid workers which work for the council, such as care assistants, lillipop people, street cleaners, gardeners and many administrative positions within teh town hall itself are only on minimum wage and the so-called pay rise they "could" be getting will be to raise the minimum wage to the new legal limit which has been set from April - same with all other minimum wage earners in both the private and public sector![/p][/quote]Oh right "The Righteous One" wake up and smell the coffee!!! you are so out of this world your on mars!!! so by your logic hitting the poor to help the poor is acceptable to you?? I work 40 Hours a week in a low paid job & cant afford the rent & council tax as it is, as well as many other hard working people who live in this shittt holw of a town, and you think its ok to hit us even further and make us in even woworse financial hardship, i think you should become a councillor!!!! thankfully_not_from_here

12:27pm Tue 18 Feb 14

thankfully_not_from_here says...

The Righteous One wrote:
shadowfax wrote:
stinks to high heaven....morris and his cronies are corrupt self serving parasites..wasting taxpayers money on an unbelievable scale { new bus station in a ridiculous location.....pointle


ss carbunkle of a xmas ferris wheel }
the whole shower of cretins at the town hall should be thouroughly investigated...then thrown out of office.....perhaps bring back the public stocks for them.... now that would be a money earner !!!!!!!
Bus station is NOT being paid for by the council - that is being paid for by TfGM which the money has come from the Governments Transport Improvement Fund - therefore no council tax is being spent on the new bus station.

I may not like the current crop of parasites but lets get facts right before throwing a wobbly!
It doesnt really make a difference anyway, the bus station is being funded by TfGM, in turn they are subsidised by the givernment who subsidise them with our taxes, the other part of this funding by TfGM is by rising prices of travel for poor service & cattle train coaches packed to the doors....

so in fact we are still paying for it either way
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shadowfax[/bold] wrote: stinks to high heaven....morris and his cronies are corrupt self serving parasites..wasting taxpayers money on an unbelievable scale { new bus station in a ridiculous location.....pointle ss carbunkle of a xmas ferris wheel } the whole shower of cretins at the town hall should be thouroughly investigated...then thrown out of office.....perhaps bring back the public stocks for them.... now that would be a money earner !!!!!!![/p][/quote]Bus station is NOT being paid for by the council - that is being paid for by TfGM which the money has come from the Governments Transport Improvement Fund - therefore no council tax is being spent on the new bus station. I may not like the current crop of parasites but lets get facts right before throwing a wobbly![/p][/quote]It doesnt really make a difference anyway, the bus station is being funded by TfGM, in turn they are subsidised by the givernment who subsidise them with our taxes, the other part of this funding by TfGM is by rising prices of travel for poor service & cattle train coaches packed to the doors.... so in fact we are still paying for it either way thankfully_not_from_here

12:36pm Tue 18 Feb 14

The Righteous One says...

thankfully_not_from_
here
wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thankfully_not_from_


here
wrote:
"£400,000 could be spent improving the pay of Bolton Council’s lowest paid workers"

What about me? or the rest of us that are "low paid workers" so we need to do without further just to help the council’s lowest paid workers get a better wage, we dont get a wage rise or a cost of living rise top up, so why the hell should they!!!!

typical Bolton council buggering the poor workers of this town!
Possibly because they are actually worse off than you!! Many of the low paid workers which work for the council, such as care assistants, lillipop people, street cleaners, gardeners and many administrative positions within teh town hall itself are only on minimum wage and the so-called pay rise they "could" be getting will be to raise the minimum wage to the new legal limit which has been set from April - same with all other minimum wage earners in both the private and public sector!
Oh right "The Righteous One" wake up and smell the coffee!!! you are so out of this world your on mars!!!

so by your logic hitting the poor to help the poor is acceptable to you??

I work 40 Hours a week in a low paid job & cant afford the rent & council tax as it is, as well as many other hard working people who live in this shittt holw of a town, and you think its ok to hit us even further and make us in even woworse financial hardship,

i think you should become a councillor!!!!
No but the legal minimum wage is being increased from April - therefore are you suggesting that Bolton Council then break teh law and keep the low-paid workers on a wage that is illegal? That would mean the the council would then be taken to court fined huge amounts of money which the council doesn't have thus where, then, does it find the money to pay the fines????

Also have you not heard about Working Tax Credits or other benefits which are given by Central Governemt to help people like you in your situation? (that money does NOT come from the Council Tax and as such it is not the poor paying for the poor, as you put it!!!)

I think it is you that ought to wake up - there are many council workers on a minimum wage and by law the Council has to make sure these people do keep up with the minimum wage and if that means having to increase the council tax to raise the pay then so be it - only other option is to make these people redundant, which would cost the council even more as they would have to give them a leaving package, by law, dependent upon how many years service they have given, and then these people would becomes, as you would almost certainly label them, benefit scroungers receiving unemployment benefits and other benefits just to keep alive.
[quote][p][bold]thankfully_not_from_ here[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thankfully_not_from_ here[/bold] wrote: "£400,000 could be spent improving the pay of Bolton Council’s lowest paid workers" What about me? or the rest of us that are "low paid workers" so we need to do without further just to help the council’s lowest paid workers get a better wage, we dont get a wage rise or a cost of living rise top up, so why the hell should they!!!! typical Bolton council buggering the poor workers of this town![/p][/quote]Possibly because they are actually worse off than you!! Many of the low paid workers which work for the council, such as care assistants, lillipop people, street cleaners, gardeners and many administrative positions within teh town hall itself are only on minimum wage and the so-called pay rise they "could" be getting will be to raise the minimum wage to the new legal limit which has been set from April - same with all other minimum wage earners in both the private and public sector![/p][/quote]Oh right "The Righteous One" wake up and smell the coffee!!! you are so out of this world your on mars!!! so by your logic hitting the poor to help the poor is acceptable to you?? I work 40 Hours a week in a low paid job & cant afford the rent & council tax as it is, as well as many other hard working people who live in this shittt holw of a town, and you think its ok to hit us even further and make us in even woworse financial hardship, i think you should become a councillor!!!![/p][/quote]No but the legal minimum wage is being increased from April - therefore are you suggesting that Bolton Council then break teh law and keep the low-paid workers on a wage that is illegal? That would mean the the council would then be taken to court fined huge amounts of money which the council doesn't have thus where, then, does it find the money to pay the fines???? Also have you not heard about Working Tax Credits or other benefits which are given by Central Governemt to help people like you in your situation? (that money does NOT come from the Council Tax and as such it is not the poor paying for the poor, as you put it!!!) I think it is you that ought to wake up - there are many council workers on a minimum wage and by law the Council has to make sure these people do keep up with the minimum wage and if that means having to increase the council tax to raise the pay then so be it - only other option is to make these people redundant, which would cost the council even more as they would have to give them a leaving package, by law, dependent upon how many years service they have given, and then these people would becomes, as you would almost certainly label them, benefit scroungers receiving unemployment benefits and other benefits just to keep alive. The Righteous One

12:41pm Tue 18 Feb 14

The Righteous One says...

thankfully_not_from_
here
wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
shadowfax wrote:
stinks to high heaven....morris and his cronies are corrupt self serving parasites..wasting taxpayers money on an unbelievable scale { new bus station in a ridiculous location.....pointle



ss carbunkle of a xmas ferris wheel }
the whole shower of cretins at the town hall should be thouroughly investigated...then thrown out of office.....perhaps bring back the public stocks for them.... now that would be a money earner !!!!!!!
Bus station is NOT being paid for by the council - that is being paid for by TfGM which the money has come from the Governments Transport Improvement Fund - therefore no council tax is being spent on the new bus station.

I may not like the current crop of parasites but lets get facts right before throwing a wobbly!
It doesnt really make a difference anyway, the bus station is being funded by TfGM, in turn they are subsidised by the givernment who subsidise them with our taxes, the other part of this funding by TfGM is by rising prices of travel for poor service & cattle train coaches packed to the doors....

so in fact we are still paying for it either way
Firstly the TfGM do not set the bus fare prices, the individual bus companies set their own fares and the TfGM has no say whatsoever, and as such they do not collect any percentage of the bus fares

Secondly with regards to the concessionary fare the TfGM get the money for this from Central Government, as it is a Central Government scheme and not a local Governemt.

Thitrdly the TfGM do not set the rail fares that is down to the individual train opertaing companies, but they do give subsidies - but again no money is made from this.

The only money the do actually create is from Metrolink and most of that goes back into teh Metrolink network to pay the contractor to operate the network (as TfGM are not allowed to operate it themselves by law) and to keep up the infratsructure - therefore they make very little from the Metrolink.

Th subsidies they get from Central Government come from teh various taxations in place such as the VED, VAT, Income tax etc etc etc and NOT from Council tax.
[quote][p][bold]thankfully_not_from_ here[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shadowfax[/bold] wrote: stinks to high heaven....morris and his cronies are corrupt self serving parasites..wasting taxpayers money on an unbelievable scale { new bus station in a ridiculous location.....pointle ss carbunkle of a xmas ferris wheel } the whole shower of cretins at the town hall should be thouroughly investigated...then thrown out of office.....perhaps bring back the public stocks for them.... now that would be a money earner !!!!!!![/p][/quote]Bus station is NOT being paid for by the council - that is being paid for by TfGM which the money has come from the Governments Transport Improvement Fund - therefore no council tax is being spent on the new bus station. I may not like the current crop of parasites but lets get facts right before throwing a wobbly![/p][/quote]It doesnt really make a difference anyway, the bus station is being funded by TfGM, in turn they are subsidised by the givernment who subsidise them with our taxes, the other part of this funding by TfGM is by rising prices of travel for poor service & cattle train coaches packed to the doors.... so in fact we are still paying for it either way[/p][/quote]Firstly the TfGM do not set the bus fare prices, the individual bus companies set their own fares and the TfGM has no say whatsoever, and as such they do not collect any percentage of the bus fares Secondly with regards to the concessionary fare the TfGM get the money for this from Central Government, as it is a Central Government scheme and not a local Governemt. Thitrdly the TfGM do not set the rail fares that is down to the individual train opertaing companies, but they do give subsidies - but again no money is made from this. The only money the do actually create is from Metrolink and most of that goes back into teh Metrolink network to pay the contractor to operate the network (as TfGM are not allowed to operate it themselves by law) and to keep up the infratsructure - therefore they make very little from the Metrolink. Th subsidies they get from Central Government come from teh various taxations in place such as the VED, VAT, Income tax etc etc etc and NOT from Council tax. The Righteous One

1:01pm Tue 18 Feb 14

cliff4treasurer says...

"residents are telling us they don't want cuts anymore"?
Which residents are these Cliff?
Not the rate paying taxpaying variety I would hazard a guess!
No this will be the unwashed the unemployed the inhabitants of your central ward (Halliwell,Blackburn road etc etc.
As I have said before in these columns democracy is dead in Bolton and every time he opens his mouth he proves it.
The only people he refers to are the Labour voters who do not live in the "residential" areas he pretends will be getting a million quid invested! ****, we will see non of it and residential will become anywhere his voters live once we have accepted his carrot and kept quiet.
£500.000 "hardship fund" for those suffering benefit cuts, this has to be a joke surely. Since when has Bolton council decided the level of benefits his constituents receive as compared to the rest of the country?
Where does he think this is Scotland.
Get off your high horse Morris and continue the cuts most of us don't even feel. You can give the low paid ,who decided to give them such low pay in the first place or are you blaming that on the government, out of your expenses perhaps.
"residents are telling us they don't want cuts anymore"? Which residents are these Cliff? Not the rate paying taxpaying variety I would hazard a guess! No this will be the unwashed the unemployed the inhabitants of your central ward (Halliwell,Blackburn road etc etc. As I have said before in these columns democracy is dead in Bolton and every time he opens his mouth he proves it. The only people he refers to are the Labour voters who do not live in the "residential" areas he pretends will be getting a million quid invested! ****, we will see non of it and residential will become anywhere his voters live once we have accepted his carrot and kept quiet. £500.000 "hardship fund" for those suffering benefit cuts, this has to be a joke surely. Since when has Bolton council decided the level of benefits his constituents receive as compared to the rest of the country? Where does he think this is Scotland. Get off your high horse Morris and continue the cuts most of us don't even feel. You can give the low paid ,who decided to give them such low pay in the first place or are you blaming that on the government, out of your expenses perhaps. cliff4treasurer

1:14pm Tue 18 Feb 14

thankfully_not_from_here says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thankfully_not_from_

here
wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thankfully_not_from_



here
wrote:
"£400,000 could be spent improving the pay of Bolton Council’s lowest paid workers"

What about me? or the rest of us that are "low paid workers" so we need to do without further just to help the council’s lowest paid workers get a better wage, we dont get a wage rise or a cost of living rise top up, so why the hell should they!!!!

typical Bolton council buggering the poor workers of this town!
Possibly because they are actually worse off than you!! Many of the low paid workers which work for the council, such as care assistants, lillipop people, street cleaners, gardeners and many administrative positions within teh town hall itself are only on minimum wage and the so-called pay rise they "could" be getting will be to raise the minimum wage to the new legal limit which has been set from April - same with all other minimum wage earners in both the private and public sector!
Oh right "The Righteous One" wake up and smell the coffee!!! you are so out of this world your on mars!!!

so by your logic hitting the poor to help the poor is acceptable to you??

I work 40 Hours a week in a low paid job & cant afford the rent & council tax as it is, as well as many other hard working people who live in this shittt holw of a town, and you think its ok to hit us even further and make us in even woworse financial hardship,

i think you should become a councillor!!!!
No but the legal minimum wage is being increased from April - therefore are you suggesting that Bolton Council then break teh law and keep the low-paid workers on a wage that is illegal? That would mean the the council would then be taken to court fined huge amounts of money which the council doesn't have thus where, then, does it find the money to pay the fines????

Also have you not heard about Working Tax Credits or other benefits which are given by Central Governemt to help people like you in your situation? (that money does NOT come from the Council Tax and as such it is not the poor paying for the poor, as you put it!!!)

I think it is you that ought to wake up - there are many council workers on a minimum wage and by law the Council has to make sure these people do keep up with the minimum wage and if that means having to increase the council tax to raise the pay then so be it - only other option is to make these people redundant, which would cost the council even more as they would have to give them a leaving package, by law, dependent upon how many years service they have given, and then these people would becomes, as you would almost certainly label them, benefit scroungers receiving unemployment benefits and other benefits just to keep alive.
Ok "The Righteous One" i will set this out in simple terms for you, as you clearly dont understand the errors you have just made in what you have put....

1) "No but the legal minimum wage is being increased from April - therefore are you suggesting that Bolton Council then break teh law and keep the low-paid workers on a wage that is illegal" - if they accepted the one million freeze they would have had to dig in to the pot already in place to cover this, so your comment is whats redundant!!!

2) "Also have you not heard about Working Tax Credits or other benefits which are given by Central Governemt to help people like you in your situation" - why dont they in turn claim tax credits if they are on the breadline rather than making the poor pay more out of our own pockets!!!!

3) You are an idiot with no idea on the matter so please do us all a favour with your double standards and keep quiet you pleb!


That is all....
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thankfully_not_from_ here[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thankfully_not_from_ here[/bold] wrote: "£400,000 could be spent improving the pay of Bolton Council’s lowest paid workers" What about me? or the rest of us that are "low paid workers" so we need to do without further just to help the council’s lowest paid workers get a better wage, we dont get a wage rise or a cost of living rise top up, so why the hell should they!!!! typical Bolton council buggering the poor workers of this town![/p][/quote]Possibly because they are actually worse off than you!! Many of the low paid workers which work for the council, such as care assistants, lillipop people, street cleaners, gardeners and many administrative positions within teh town hall itself are only on minimum wage and the so-called pay rise they "could" be getting will be to raise the minimum wage to the new legal limit which has been set from April - same with all other minimum wage earners in both the private and public sector![/p][/quote]Oh right "The Righteous One" wake up and smell the coffee!!! you are so out of this world your on mars!!! so by your logic hitting the poor to help the poor is acceptable to you?? I work 40 Hours a week in a low paid job & cant afford the rent & council tax as it is, as well as many other hard working people who live in this shittt holw of a town, and you think its ok to hit us even further and make us in even woworse financial hardship, i think you should become a councillor!!!![/p][/quote]No but the legal minimum wage is being increased from April - therefore are you suggesting that Bolton Council then break teh law and keep the low-paid workers on a wage that is illegal? That would mean the the council would then be taken to court fined huge amounts of money which the council doesn't have thus where, then, does it find the money to pay the fines???? Also have you not heard about Working Tax Credits or other benefits which are given by Central Governemt to help people like you in your situation? (that money does NOT come from the Council Tax and as such it is not the poor paying for the poor, as you put it!!!) I think it is you that ought to wake up - there are many council workers on a minimum wage and by law the Council has to make sure these people do keep up with the minimum wage and if that means having to increase the council tax to raise the pay then so be it - only other option is to make these people redundant, which would cost the council even more as they would have to give them a leaving package, by law, dependent upon how many years service they have given, and then these people would becomes, as you would almost certainly label them, benefit scroungers receiving unemployment benefits and other benefits just to keep alive.[/p][/quote]Ok "The Righteous One" i will set this out in simple terms for you, as you clearly dont understand the errors you have just made in what you have put.... 1) "No but the legal minimum wage is being increased from April - therefore are you suggesting that Bolton Council then break teh law and keep the low-paid workers on a wage that is illegal" - if they accepted the one million freeze they would have had to dig in to the pot already in place to cover this, so your comment is whats redundant!!! 2) "Also have you not heard about Working Tax Credits or other benefits which are given by Central Governemt to help people like you in your situation" - why dont they in turn claim tax credits if they are on the breadline rather than making the poor pay more out of our own pockets!!!! 3) You are an idiot with no idea on the matter so please do us all a favour with your double standards and keep quiet you pleb! That is all.... thankfully_not_from_here

1:18pm Tue 18 Feb 14

thankfully_not_from_here says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thankfully_not_from_

here
wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
shadowfax wrote:
stinks to high heaven....morris and his cronies are corrupt self serving parasites..wasting taxpayers money on an unbelievable scale { new bus station in a ridiculous location.....pointle




ss carbunkle of a xmas ferris wheel }
the whole shower of cretins at the town hall should be thouroughly investigated...then thrown out of office.....perhaps bring back the public stocks for them.... now that would be a money earner !!!!!!!
Bus station is NOT being paid for by the council - that is being paid for by TfGM which the money has come from the Governments Transport Improvement Fund - therefore no council tax is being spent on the new bus station.

I may not like the current crop of parasites but lets get facts right before throwing a wobbly!
It doesnt really make a difference anyway, the bus station is being funded by TfGM, in turn they are subsidised by the givernment who subsidise them with our taxes, the other part of this funding by TfGM is by rising prices of travel for poor service & cattle train coaches packed to the doors....

so in fact we are still paying for it either way
Firstly the TfGM do not set the bus fare prices, the individual bus companies set their own fares and the TfGM has no say whatsoever, and as such they do not collect any percentage of the bus fares

Secondly with regards to the concessionary fare the TfGM get the money for this from Central Government, as it is a Central Government scheme and not a local Governemt.

Thitrdly the TfGM do not set the rail fares that is down to the individual train opertaing companies, but they do give subsidies - but again no money is made from this.

The only money the do actually create is from Metrolink and most of that goes back into teh Metrolink network to pay the contractor to operate the network (as TfGM are not allowed to operate it themselves by law) and to keep up the infratsructure - therefore they make very little from the Metrolink.

Th subsidies they get from Central Government come from teh various taxations in place such as the VED, VAT, Income tax etc etc etc and NOT from Council tax.
I think "The Righteous One" has shares in the bus & rail company & works for the council hahahahahahahaha
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thankfully_not_from_ here[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shadowfax[/bold] wrote: stinks to high heaven....morris and his cronies are corrupt self serving parasites..wasting taxpayers money on an unbelievable scale { new bus station in a ridiculous location.....pointle ss carbunkle of a xmas ferris wheel } the whole shower of cretins at the town hall should be thouroughly investigated...then thrown out of office.....perhaps bring back the public stocks for them.... now that would be a money earner !!!!!!![/p][/quote]Bus station is NOT being paid for by the council - that is being paid for by TfGM which the money has come from the Governments Transport Improvement Fund - therefore no council tax is being spent on the new bus station. I may not like the current crop of parasites but lets get facts right before throwing a wobbly![/p][/quote]It doesnt really make a difference anyway, the bus station is being funded by TfGM, in turn they are subsidised by the givernment who subsidise them with our taxes, the other part of this funding by TfGM is by rising prices of travel for poor service & cattle train coaches packed to the doors.... so in fact we are still paying for it either way[/p][/quote]Firstly the TfGM do not set the bus fare prices, the individual bus companies set their own fares and the TfGM has no say whatsoever, and as such they do not collect any percentage of the bus fares Secondly with regards to the concessionary fare the TfGM get the money for this from Central Government, as it is a Central Government scheme and not a local Governemt. Thitrdly the TfGM do not set the rail fares that is down to the individual train opertaing companies, but they do give subsidies - but again no money is made from this. The only money the do actually create is from Metrolink and most of that goes back into teh Metrolink network to pay the contractor to operate the network (as TfGM are not allowed to operate it themselves by law) and to keep up the infratsructure - therefore they make very little from the Metrolink. Th subsidies they get from Central Government come from teh various taxations in place such as the VED, VAT, Income tax etc etc etc and NOT from Council tax.[/p][/quote]I think "The Righteous One" has shares in the bus & rail company & works for the council hahahahahahahaha thankfully_not_from_here

1:35pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Lee3695 says...

Brumas wrote:
For all the previous commenter's that are complaining about the Council tax that looks set to rise for householders in Bolton and think it is unjustified. Just think of the residents of Blackrod, Horwich and Westhoughton who have to pay a precept on top of whatever Bolton pay for Council Tax (£34+ in my case) which will also have a % increase imposed on it. For Town Council's that are totally ineffectual. Let's do away with Town Councils and SAVE the residents of the above mentioned Townships some money.
This is an interesting point. it would be beneficial to see how much it costs to run these councils and what they actually deliver. I may be wrong, but as far as i am aware, all planning decisions made by the town councils are merely taken into consideration by Bolton Council, but do not form the basis of a planning decision. Highways, waste, environment and other services are all provided by Bolton Council. The town councils are represented like any other area of Bolton, by ward councilors on various committees in Bolton Council. Surely if cuts are required, the council should look at the role of town councils first and whether they are actually needed or not?
[quote][p][bold]Brumas[/bold] wrote: For all the previous commenter's that are complaining about the Council tax that looks set to rise for householders in Bolton and think it is unjustified. Just think of the residents of Blackrod, Horwich and Westhoughton who have to pay a precept on top of whatever Bolton pay for Council Tax (£34+ in my case) which will also have a % increase imposed on it. For Town Council's that are totally ineffectual. Let's do away with Town Councils and SAVE the residents of the above mentioned Townships some money.[/p][/quote]This is an interesting point. it would be beneficial to see how much it costs to run these councils and what they actually deliver. I may be wrong, but as far as i am aware, all planning decisions made by the town councils are merely taken into consideration by Bolton Council, but do not form the basis of a planning decision. Highways, waste, environment and other services are all provided by Bolton Council. The town councils are represented like any other area of Bolton, by ward councilors on various committees in Bolton Council. Surely if cuts are required, the council should look at the role of town councils first and whether they are actually needed or not? Lee3695

1:40pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Lee3695 says...

It interesting that no one on here has asked the question, if councils such as Bolton are being asked to make continued cuts, where has the money come from that David Cameron pledges is available to assist the Southwest and other flood-stricken communities? 'If cash is no object' where has this previously unknown pot of cash suddenly come from, within a Government that was trying to make savings to address the countrys financial issues. Perhaps we should also ask, what has been or might be sacrificed to provide this pot of cash?
It interesting that no one on here has asked the question, if councils such as Bolton are being asked to make continued cuts, where has the money come from that David Cameron pledges is available to assist the Southwest and other flood-stricken communities? 'If cash is no object' where has this previously unknown pot of cash suddenly come from, within a Government that was trying to make savings to address the countrys financial issues. Perhaps we should also ask, what has been or might be sacrificed to provide this pot of cash? Lee3695

2:10pm Tue 18 Feb 14

holloway_david says...

Reference the proposed council tax rise. I am a pensioner who does not receive benefits and i pay full council tax and am taxed on my pension. I would like to know from Cliff Morris and the predominant Labour councillors where will I get extra funding to pay for this rise --- is it from" Wonga" "Quickquid" who would they like to suggest?
Maybe the Government can help by giving me a share of the £1million that could be given to BC if they froze Council Tax!
I would suggest Councillor Morris that the general voting public will remember this in the next council elections and that we are not an open Bank to put sticky fingers in.
Reference the proposed council tax rise. I am a pensioner who does not receive benefits and i pay full council tax and am taxed on my pension. I would like to know from Cliff Morris and the predominant Labour councillors where will I get extra funding to pay for this rise --- is it from" Wonga" "Quickquid" who would they like to suggest? Maybe the Government can help by giving me a share of the £1million that could be given to BC if they froze Council Tax! I would suggest Councillor Morris that the general voting public will remember this in the next council elections and that we are not an open Bank to put sticky fingers in. holloway_david

2:32pm Tue 18 Feb 14

thankfully_not_from_here says...

holloway_david wrote:
Reference the proposed council tax rise. I am a pensioner who does not receive benefits and i pay full council tax and am taxed on my pension. I would like to know from Cliff Morris and the predominant Labour councillors where will I get extra funding to pay for this rise --- is it from" Wonga" "Quickquid" who would they like to suggest?
Maybe the Government can help by giving me a share of the £1million that could be given to BC if they froze Council Tax!
I would suggest Councillor Morris that the general voting public will remember this in the next council elections and that we are not an open Bank to put sticky fingers in.
Here here!!! Well said!!!
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: Reference the proposed council tax rise. I am a pensioner who does not receive benefits and i pay full council tax and am taxed on my pension. I would like to know from Cliff Morris and the predominant Labour councillors where will I get extra funding to pay for this rise --- is it from" Wonga" "Quickquid" who would they like to suggest? Maybe the Government can help by giving me a share of the £1million that could be given to BC if they froze Council Tax! I would suggest Councillor Morris that the general voting public will remember this in the next council elections and that we are not an open Bank to put sticky fingers in.[/p][/quote]Here here!!! Well said!!! thankfully_not_from_here

2:49pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Donkey Stone says...

I am not suggesting to people who to vote for, but we have to vote this lot out. They won't really care because they have feathered their nests already.
I am not suggesting to people who to vote for, but we have to vote this lot out. They won't really care because they have feathered their nests already. Donkey Stone

3:17pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Phil from Smithills says...

There could be a further increase in the council tax if the police commissioner decides to increase the police element as he did last year.

He said it was for more police, where are they? or was it to pay for his deputy?
There could be a further increase in the council tax if the police commissioner decides to increase the police element as he did last year. He said it was for more police, where are they? or was it to pay for his deputy? Phil from Smithills

4:04pm Tue 18 Feb 14

fay clarke says...

Why doesn't everyone get together and refuse to pay. They cannot put everyone in prison.
Why doesn't everyone get together and refuse to pay. They cannot put everyone in prison. fay clarke

4:33pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Iluminati says...

The Bolton council is in total disarray. They already have indirectly told us that the 2015/2016 budget will have another hefty council tax rise waiting for us. The recent pothole saga has made it cycle, and the one million pound allocated for this ongoing saga, will come out of the council tax increases, as simple as that. Never mind the government one million pound incentive if council tax would stay put, or the various huge amount of money available from the EU, the Bolton Labour council have their own political agenda. What they haven't told us, and of course they wouldn't, is the colossal demise of the council's pension pot for their officers and executives!!! Over 50% of our council tax is absorbed in salaries, and to rectify and satisfy their insane contractual retirement terms! One couldn't simply make up!!!!!! Thanks god, the next council elections aren't all that far off.
The Bolton council is in total disarray. They already have indirectly told us that the 2015/2016 budget will have another hefty council tax rise waiting for us. The recent pothole saga has made it cycle, and the one million pound allocated for this ongoing saga, will come out of the council tax increases, as simple as that. Never mind the government one million pound incentive if council tax would stay put, or the various huge amount of money available from the EU, the Bolton Labour council have their own political agenda. What they haven't told us, and of course they wouldn't, is the colossal demise of the council's pension pot for their officers and executives!!! Over 50% of our council tax is absorbed in salaries, and to rectify and satisfy their insane contractual retirement terms! One couldn't simply make up!!!!!! Thanks god, the next council elections aren't all that far off. Iluminati

4:33pm Tue 18 Feb 14

The Righteous One says...

thankfully_not_from_
here
wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thankfully_not_from_


here
wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thankfully_not_from_




here
wrote:
"£400,000 could be spent improving the pay of Bolton Council’s lowest paid workers"

What about me? or the rest of us that are "low paid workers" so we need to do without further just to help the council’s lowest paid workers get a better wage, we dont get a wage rise or a cost of living rise top up, so why the hell should they!!!!

typical Bolton council buggering the poor workers of this town!
Possibly because they are actually worse off than you!! Many of the low paid workers which work for the council, such as care assistants, lillipop people, street cleaners, gardeners and many administrative positions within teh town hall itself are only on minimum wage and the so-called pay rise they "could" be getting will be to raise the minimum wage to the new legal limit which has been set from April - same with all other minimum wage earners in both the private and public sector!
Oh right "The Righteous One" wake up and smell the coffee!!! you are so out of this world your on mars!!!

so by your logic hitting the poor to help the poor is acceptable to you??

I work 40 Hours a week in a low paid job & cant afford the rent & council tax as it is, as well as many other hard working people who live in this shittt holw of a town, and you think its ok to hit us even further and make us in even woworse financial hardship,

i think you should become a councillor!!!!
No but the legal minimum wage is being increased from April - therefore are you suggesting that Bolton Council then break teh law and keep the low-paid workers on a wage that is illegal? That would mean the the council would then be taken to court fined huge amounts of money which the council doesn't have thus where, then, does it find the money to pay the fines????

Also have you not heard about Working Tax Credits or other benefits which are given by Central Governemt to help people like you in your situation? (that money does NOT come from the Council Tax and as such it is not the poor paying for the poor, as you put it!!!)

I think it is you that ought to wake up - there are many council workers on a minimum wage and by law the Council has to make sure these people do keep up with the minimum wage and if that means having to increase the council tax to raise the pay then so be it - only other option is to make these people redundant, which would cost the council even more as they would have to give them a leaving package, by law, dependent upon how many years service they have given, and then these people would becomes, as you would almost certainly label them, benefit scroungers receiving unemployment benefits and other benefits just to keep alive.
Ok "The Righteous One" i will set this out in simple terms for you, as you clearly dont understand the errors you have just made in what you have put....

1) "No but the legal minimum wage is being increased from April - therefore are you suggesting that Bolton Council then break teh law and keep the low-paid workers on a wage that is illegal" - if they accepted the one million freeze they would have had to dig in to the pot already in place to cover this, so your comment is whats redundant!!!

2) "Also have you not heard about Working Tax Credits or other benefits which are given by Central Governemt to help people like you in your situation" - why dont they in turn claim tax credits if they are on the breadline rather than making the poor pay more out of our own pockets!!!!

3) You are an idiot with no idea on the matter so please do us all a favour with your double standards and keep quiet you pleb!


That is all....
1. So what do you think would have been cut to make the savings required if they had accepted the £1million from the government? Repairs of the roads and bridges? Home care and care assistance? education? closure of another library, grey bins to monthly instead of fortnightly? the choie is yours!

2.Councils are not allowed to claim any tax benefits etc etc etc - are you that simple. As a Government body there are very few streams on gaining money - 1 is by raising it, 2 is from subsidies from Central Government 3. Council tax. As the availability of raiosing revenue is only through parking charges and over zealous parking wardens, I don't think that would go down to well with the people.
2. The subsidies from the government have been frozen for the last 7 years and if there is any money they seem to go to Conservative held councils or any other council that allow conservatie idealsims into the council or if any left over then spread amongst the other labour held councils (i.e. very little if any at all)
3. I am not an idiot nor do i have not an idea - in fact its quite the opposite and see teh reality of what teh council will do, and does do, and wht the Government also does and doesn't do. It is not me with the double stndards but all politicians, but if you cannot see that then more fool you!
[quote][p][bold]thankfully_not_from_ here[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thankfully_not_from_ here[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thankfully_not_from_ here[/bold] wrote: "£400,000 could be spent improving the pay of Bolton Council’s lowest paid workers" What about me? or the rest of us that are "low paid workers" so we need to do without further just to help the council’s lowest paid workers get a better wage, we dont get a wage rise or a cost of living rise top up, so why the hell should they!!!! typical Bolton council buggering the poor workers of this town![/p][/quote]Possibly because they are actually worse off than you!! Many of the low paid workers which work for the council, such as care assistants, lillipop people, street cleaners, gardeners and many administrative positions within teh town hall itself are only on minimum wage and the so-called pay rise they "could" be getting will be to raise the minimum wage to the new legal limit which has been set from April - same with all other minimum wage earners in both the private and public sector![/p][/quote]Oh right "The Righteous One" wake up and smell the coffee!!! you are so out of this world your on mars!!! so by your logic hitting the poor to help the poor is acceptable to you?? I work 40 Hours a week in a low paid job & cant afford the rent & council tax as it is, as well as many other hard working people who live in this shittt holw of a town, and you think its ok to hit us even further and make us in even woworse financial hardship, i think you should become a councillor!!!![/p][/quote]No but the legal minimum wage is being increased from April - therefore are you suggesting that Bolton Council then break teh law and keep the low-paid workers on a wage that is illegal? That would mean the the council would then be taken to court fined huge amounts of money which the council doesn't have thus where, then, does it find the money to pay the fines???? Also have you not heard about Working Tax Credits or other benefits which are given by Central Governemt to help people like you in your situation? (that money does NOT come from the Council Tax and as such it is not the poor paying for the poor, as you put it!!!) I think it is you that ought to wake up - there are many council workers on a minimum wage and by law the Council has to make sure these people do keep up with the minimum wage and if that means having to increase the council tax to raise the pay then so be it - only other option is to make these people redundant, which would cost the council even more as they would have to give them a leaving package, by law, dependent upon how many years service they have given, and then these people would becomes, as you would almost certainly label them, benefit scroungers receiving unemployment benefits and other benefits just to keep alive.[/p][/quote]Ok "The Righteous One" i will set this out in simple terms for you, as you clearly dont understand the errors you have just made in what you have put.... 1) "No but the legal minimum wage is being increased from April - therefore are you suggesting that Bolton Council then break teh law and keep the low-paid workers on a wage that is illegal" - if they accepted the one million freeze they would have had to dig in to the pot already in place to cover this, so your comment is whats redundant!!! 2) "Also have you not heard about Working Tax Credits or other benefits which are given by Central Governemt to help people like you in your situation" - why dont they in turn claim tax credits if they are on the breadline rather than making the poor pay more out of our own pockets!!!! 3) You are an idiot with no idea on the matter so please do us all a favour with your double standards and keep quiet you pleb! That is all....[/p][/quote]1. So what do you think would have been cut to make the savings required if they had accepted the £1million from the government? Repairs of the roads and bridges? Home care and care assistance? education? closure of another library, grey bins to monthly instead of fortnightly? the choie is yours! 2.Councils are not allowed to claim any tax benefits etc etc etc - are you that simple. As a Government body there are very few streams on gaining money - 1 is by raising it, 2 is from subsidies from Central Government 3. Council tax. As the availability of raiosing revenue is only through parking charges and over zealous parking wardens, I don't think that would go down to well with the people. 2. The subsidies from the government have been frozen for the last 7 years and if there is any money they seem to go to Conservative held councils or any other council that allow conservatie idealsims into the council or if any left over then spread amongst the other labour held councils (i.e. very little if any at all) 3. I am not an idiot nor do i have not an idea - in fact its quite the opposite and see teh reality of what teh council will do, and does do, and wht the Government also does and doesn't do. It is not me with the double stndards but all politicians, but if you cannot see that then more fool you! The Righteous One

5:27pm Tue 18 Feb 14

waste watcher says...

Well here we go again Councillor Morris states the peopleof bolton have said they do not want any more cuts.
how many people told him this and who were they? If the Government are offering funds to prevent having to increase the tax then the council should take it and forget the politics.
Councillor Morris should do whatever he can to assist the people of Bolton and stop bleating about the Governments cuts.
I have not noticed any significant reduction in services which has impacted my life so why did we need all the staff in the first place and where has all the money been going ?
Well here we go again Councillor Morris states the peopleof bolton have said they do not want any more cuts. how many people told him this and who were they? If the Government are offering funds to prevent having to increase the tax then the council should take it and forget the politics. Councillor Morris should do whatever he can to assist the people of Bolton and stop bleating about the Governments cuts. I have not noticed any significant reduction in services which has impacted my life so why did we need all the staff in the first place and where has all the money been going ? waste watcher

6:21pm Tue 18 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

waste watcher wrote:
Well here we go again Councillor Morris states the peopleof bolton have said they do not want any more cuts.
how many people told him this and who were they? If the Government are offering funds to prevent having to increase the tax then the council should take it and forget the politics.
Councillor Morris should do whatever he can to assist the people of Bolton and stop bleating about the Governments cuts.
I have not noticed any significant reduction in services which has impacted my life so why did we need all the staff in the first place and where has all the money been going ?
Your first two lines say it all.

It IS true that the people have aid enough is enough with cuts. All you need to do is read the all the old news reports were posts have happened and you will see between 10 and over 200 comments about how Bolton Council and Fat Morris are destroying the ton with cuts after cuts after cuts and that people have had enough of cuts.

Therefore the people to blame, really, are all those people who have moaned on here about the endless cuts and those who have remonstrated to the local councillors and even local MP's with regards to all the cuts that have been happening over the last 6-7 years!

So, for once, the Fat Controller has listened and guess what everyone is one his back again for taking this stance. Not often I back him up, in fact this could actually be the very first time (although I honestly do think he is a waste of space and has destroyed Bolton) but in this instance it is a catch 22 position. Don't make cuts and people will have a go at him for hiking the Council Tax (like what is happening) don't hike up the Council Tax and accept the million pound sweetener from the Government and cuts front line services even more and people will be on his back!
[quote][p][bold]waste watcher[/bold] wrote: Well here we go again Councillor Morris states the peopleof bolton have said they do not want any more cuts. how many people told him this and who were they? If the Government are offering funds to prevent having to increase the tax then the council should take it and forget the politics. Councillor Morris should do whatever he can to assist the people of Bolton and stop bleating about the Governments cuts. I have not noticed any significant reduction in services which has impacted my life so why did we need all the staff in the first place and where has all the money been going ?[/p][/quote]Your first two lines say it all. It IS true that the people have aid enough is enough with cuts. All you need to do is read the all the old news reports were posts have happened and you will see between 10 and over 200 comments about how Bolton Council and Fat Morris are destroying the ton with cuts after cuts after cuts and that people have had enough of cuts. Therefore the people to blame, really, are all those people who have moaned on here about the endless cuts and those who have remonstrated to the local councillors and even local MP's with regards to all the cuts that have been happening over the last 6-7 years! So, for once, the Fat Controller has listened and guess what everyone is one his back again for taking this stance. Not often I back him up, in fact this could actually be the very first time (although I honestly do think he is a waste of space and has destroyed Bolton) but in this instance it is a catch 22 position. Don't make cuts and people will have a go at him for hiking the Council Tax (like what is happening) don't hike up the Council Tax and accept the million pound sweetener from the Government and cuts front line services even more and people will be on his back! BWFC71

7:21pm Tue 18 Feb 14

boltonnut says...

The lower paid council workers will probably get a pittance of a raise while the higher paid workers will get a large increase.The non workers (meaning the councillors) will get the largest piece of the pie,it's happened in the past,you only have to look at the FAT MAN to spot the greedy one.Oink oink.
The lower paid council workers will probably get a pittance of a raise while the higher paid workers will get a large increase.The non workers (meaning the councillors) will get the largest piece of the pie,it's happened in the past,you only have to look at the FAT MAN to spot the greedy one.Oink oink. boltonnut

7:57pm Tue 18 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

thankfully_not_from_
here
wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thankfully_not_from_


here
wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
shadowfax wrote:
stinks to high heaven....morris and his cronies are corrupt self serving parasites..wasting taxpayers money on an unbelievable scale { new bus station in a ridiculous location.....pointle





ss carbunkle of a xmas ferris wheel }
the whole shower of cretins at the town hall should be thouroughly investigated...then thrown out of office.....perhaps bring back the public stocks for them.... now that would be a money earner !!!!!!!
Bus station is NOT being paid for by the council - that is being paid for by TfGM which the money has come from the Governments Transport Improvement Fund - therefore no council tax is being spent on the new bus station.

I may not like the current crop of parasites but lets get facts right before throwing a wobbly!
It doesnt really make a difference anyway, the bus station is being funded by TfGM, in turn they are subsidised by the givernment who subsidise them with our taxes, the other part of this funding by TfGM is by rising prices of travel for poor service & cattle train coaches packed to the doors....

so in fact we are still paying for it either way
Firstly the TfGM do not set the bus fare prices, the individual bus companies set their own fares and the TfGM has no say whatsoever, and as such they do not collect any percentage of the bus fares

Secondly with regards to the concessionary fare the TfGM get the money for this from Central Government, as it is a Central Government scheme and not a local Governemt.

Thitrdly the TfGM do not set the rail fares that is down to the individual train opertaing companies, but they do give subsidies - but again no money is made from this.

The only money the do actually create is from Metrolink and most of that goes back into teh Metrolink network to pay the contractor to operate the network (as TfGM are not allowed to operate it themselves by law) and to keep up the infratsructure - therefore they make very little from the Metrolink.

Th subsidies they get from Central Government come from teh various taxations in place such as the VED, VAT, Income tax etc etc etc and NOT from Council tax.
I think "The Righteous One" has shares in the bus & rail company & works for the council hahahahahahahaha
Firstly TfGM is not aa company it is local Government Quango.

And yes I do have shares in a transport company - I have a couple of hundred shares in Nederlandse Spoorwegen - historical from when I lived in The Netherlands.

But there are so many bus companies and rain companies that I would have no money if I had shares in them all. In Bolton alone there are 7 bus companies (Cumfybus, First, Stagecoach, Arriva, Transdev, Rossendale and South Lancs Travel) and 2 train operating companies (owned by 3 companies - Abellio/Nederlandse Spoorwegen and Serco - being Northern Rail, First - being Trans-Pennine Express)

Plus it is not hard to gain some factual knowledge by just reading, rather than slobbing around believing everything at face value (i.e. The Daily Fail and The Sun)!
[quote][p][bold]thankfully_not_from_ here[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thankfully_not_from_ here[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shadowfax[/bold] wrote: stinks to high heaven....morris and his cronies are corrupt self serving parasites..wasting taxpayers money on an unbelievable scale { new bus station in a ridiculous location.....pointle ss carbunkle of a xmas ferris wheel } the whole shower of cretins at the town hall should be thouroughly investigated...then thrown out of office.....perhaps bring back the public stocks for them.... now that would be a money earner !!!!!!![/p][/quote]Bus station is NOT being paid for by the council - that is being paid for by TfGM which the money has come from the Governments Transport Improvement Fund - therefore no council tax is being spent on the new bus station. I may not like the current crop of parasites but lets get facts right before throwing a wobbly![/p][/quote]It doesnt really make a difference anyway, the bus station is being funded by TfGM, in turn they are subsidised by the givernment who subsidise them with our taxes, the other part of this funding by TfGM is by rising prices of travel for poor service & cattle train coaches packed to the doors.... so in fact we are still paying for it either way[/p][/quote]Firstly the TfGM do not set the bus fare prices, the individual bus companies set their own fares and the TfGM has no say whatsoever, and as such they do not collect any percentage of the bus fares Secondly with regards to the concessionary fare the TfGM get the money for this from Central Government, as it is a Central Government scheme and not a local Governemt. Thitrdly the TfGM do not set the rail fares that is down to the individual train opertaing companies, but they do give subsidies - but again no money is made from this. The only money the do actually create is from Metrolink and most of that goes back into teh Metrolink network to pay the contractor to operate the network (as TfGM are not allowed to operate it themselves by law) and to keep up the infratsructure - therefore they make very little from the Metrolink. Th subsidies they get from Central Government come from teh various taxations in place such as the VED, VAT, Income tax etc etc etc and NOT from Council tax.[/p][/quote]I think "The Righteous One" has shares in the bus & rail company & works for the council hahahahahahahaha[/p][/quote]Firstly TfGM is not aa company it is local Government Quango. And yes I do have shares in a transport company - I have a couple of hundred shares in Nederlandse Spoorwegen - historical from when I lived in The Netherlands. But there are so many bus companies and rain companies that I would have no money if I had shares in them all. In Bolton alone there are 7 bus companies (Cumfybus, First, Stagecoach, Arriva, Transdev, Rossendale and South Lancs Travel) and 2 train operating companies (owned by 3 companies - Abellio/Nederlandse Spoorwegen and Serco - being Northern Rail, First - being Trans-Pennine Express) Plus it is not hard to gain some factual knowledge by just reading, rather than slobbing around believing everything at face value (i.e. The Daily Fail and The Sun)! BWFC71

8:06pm Tue 18 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

holloway_david wrote:
Reference the proposed council tax rise. I am a pensioner who does not receive benefits and i pay full council tax and am taxed on my pension. I would like to know from Cliff Morris and the predominant Labour councillors where will I get extra funding to pay for this rise --- is it from" Wonga" "Quickquid" who would they like to suggest?
Maybe the Government can help by giving me a share of the £1million that could be given to BC if they froze Council Tax!
I would suggest Councillor Morris that the general voting public will remember this in the next council elections and that we are not an open Bank to put sticky fingers in.
Funnily enough wasn't it announced in the more recent budget that the pension was getting a more than inflation rise in the pension (which is actually more than what the Council is putting on the Council Tax) and it is increasing yet again, in April, and that for the next 6-7 years the pension will be going up by rate of inflation or even higher!!!


Therefore pensioners are raking it in and actually be better off, even with the hike in the Council Tax - how you spend your money is another matter, though!
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: Reference the proposed council tax rise. I am a pensioner who does not receive benefits and i pay full council tax and am taxed on my pension. I would like to know from Cliff Morris and the predominant Labour councillors where will I get extra funding to pay for this rise --- is it from" Wonga" "Quickquid" who would they like to suggest? Maybe the Government can help by giving me a share of the £1million that could be given to BC if they froze Council Tax! I would suggest Councillor Morris that the general voting public will remember this in the next council elections and that we are not an open Bank to put sticky fingers in.[/p][/quote]Funnily enough wasn't it announced in the more recent budget that the pension was getting a more than inflation rise in the pension (which is actually more than what the Council is putting on the Council Tax) and it is increasing yet again, in April, and that for the next 6-7 years the pension will be going up by rate of inflation or even higher!!! Therefore pensioners are raking it in and actually be better off, even with the hike in the Council Tax - how you spend your money is another matter, though! BWFC71

8:30pm Tue 18 Feb 14

dougie kay says...

Today I witnessed Bolton highways department finest at work,they were repairing potholes on Sunnybank road. the working crew consisted of two men ,one private company.owned, fifteen cwt flatbed a wheel barrow two spades . Aint modrern technology great ,It is nice to see my council tax being put to good use no expense spared
Today I witnessed Bolton highways department finest at work,they were repairing potholes on Sunnybank road. the working crew consisted of two men ,one private company.owned, fifteen cwt flatbed a wheel barrow two spades . Aint modrern technology great ,It is nice to see my council tax being put to good use no expense spared dougie kay

8:34pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Citizen Cane says...

Follow the example of the two councillors who didn't pay council tax for two years and then didn't get named. Vote these Labour clowns out next time and there will be no council tax rises.

Remember that Labour was the party that voted to retain human rights legislation that keeps murdering rapist foreign criminals in Britain. They don't get anything right.

Next year the referendum should be required for ANY council tax rise.

Savings not taxes.
Follow the example of the two councillors who didn't pay council tax for two years and then didn't get named. Vote these Labour clowns out next time and there will be no council tax rises. Remember that Labour was the party that voted to retain human rights legislation that keeps murdering rapist foreign criminals in Britain. They don't get anything right. Next year the referendum should be required for ANY council tax rise. Savings not taxes. Citizen Cane

9:24pm Tue 18 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Citizen Cane wrote:
Follow the example of the two councillors who didn't pay council tax for two years and then didn't get named. Vote these Labour clowns out next time and there will be no council tax rises.

Remember that Labour was the party that voted to retain human rights legislation that keeps murdering rapist foreign criminals in Britain. They don't get anything right.

Next year the referendum should be required for ANY council tax rise.

Savings not taxes.
Do you honestly believe that there would be no Council Tax rise under any other party?

They will say that to get in, and when they do it will change - its not just Labour but it is ALL parties (and yes that includes UKIP - especially if you saw The Sunday Politics show on Sunday were Nuttal (UKIP MEP) who actually stated that UKIP would not stand in the way of any council wanting to raising Council Taxes).

Council Tax is a primary way for a council to raise fund, no matter what - or would you rather go back to Council Rates or even the dreaded Poll Tax!
[quote][p][bold]Citizen Cane[/bold] wrote: Follow the example of the two councillors who didn't pay council tax for two years and then didn't get named. Vote these Labour clowns out next time and there will be no council tax rises. Remember that Labour was the party that voted to retain human rights legislation that keeps murdering rapist foreign criminals in Britain. They don't get anything right. Next year the referendum should be required for ANY council tax rise. Savings not taxes.[/p][/quote]Do you honestly believe that there would be no Council Tax rise under any other party? They will say that to get in, and when they do it will change - its not just Labour but it is ALL parties (and yes that includes UKIP - especially if you saw The Sunday Politics show on Sunday were Nuttal (UKIP MEP) who actually stated that UKIP would not stand in the way of any council wanting to raising Council Taxes). Council Tax is a primary way for a council to raise fund, no matter what - or would you rather go back to Council Rates or even the dreaded Poll Tax! BWFC71

9:26pm Tue 18 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

dougie kay wrote:
Today I witnessed Bolton highways department finest at work,they were repairing potholes on Sunnybank road. the working crew consisted of two men ,one private company.owned, fifteen cwt flatbed a wheel barrow two spades . Aint modrern technology great ,It is nice to see my council tax being put to good use no expense spared
At least the potholes were getting repaired - now imagine if the Council Tax didn't go up, where would the money come from to do what they did today, without taking it from another front-line duty? - that is what this and any other Bolton Council would actually do!
[quote][p][bold]dougie kay[/bold] wrote: Today I witnessed Bolton highways department finest at work,they were repairing potholes on Sunnybank road. the working crew consisted of two men ,one private company.owned, fifteen cwt flatbed a wheel barrow two spades . Aint modrern technology great ,It is nice to see my council tax being put to good use no expense spared[/p][/quote]At least the potholes were getting repaired - now imagine if the Council Tax didn't go up, where would the money come from to do what they did today, without taking it from another front-line duty? - that is what this and any other Bolton Council would actually do! BWFC71

10:03pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Daisyhillbilly says...

So just where are the low paid minimum wage employees the council is to spend 400k on ?? Did a bit of research bottom of lowest pay scale Grade 1 is £6.69 per hour up to the top of Grade 1 at £7 26 per hour
The minimum wage is £6 31 per hour which may or may not rise to £7 in the budget (and council workers will get a rise of at least 1%)
Therefore the are very few if any staff at the council on the minimum wage as the vast majority are at the top of their pay scale ( remember no recruitment for a number of years and they go up the scale every year ) Maybe the BN should ask the question ???
Misinformation + spin+ lies = Bolton Council
So just where are the low paid minimum wage employees the council is to spend 400k on ?? Did a bit of research bottom of lowest pay scale Grade 1 is £6.69 per hour up to the top of Grade 1 at £7 26 per hour The minimum wage is £6 31 per hour which may or may not rise to £7 in the budget (and council workers will get a rise of at least 1%) Therefore the are very few if any staff at the council on the minimum wage as the vast majority are at the top of their pay scale ( remember no recruitment for a number of years and they go up the scale every year ) Maybe the BN should ask the question ??? Misinformation + spin+ lies = Bolton Council Daisyhillbilly

10:16pm Tue 18 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Daisyhillbilly wrote:
So just where are the low paid minimum wage employees the council is to spend 400k on ?? Did a bit of research bottom of lowest pay scale Grade 1 is £6.69 per hour up to the top of Grade 1 at £7 26 per hour
The minimum wage is £6 31 per hour which may or may not rise to £7 in the budget (and council workers will get a rise of at least 1%)
Therefore the are very few if any staff at the council on the minimum wage as the vast majority are at the top of their pay scale ( remember no recruitment for a number of years and they go up the scale every year ) Maybe the BN should ask the question ???
Misinformation + spin+ lies = Bolton Council
There has been a pay-freeze on most pay (except for those on minimum wage) for the last 7 years - aand that includes any so-called annual increments!

But lets put it this way the minimum wage is £6.31, as Bolton Council pay contributions to a national pension (which all private and public companies will be doing by the end of this year, as many major companies already have to do) they then contribute 38p/hour (which is also taxed) thus making an hourly wage of £6.69 - BUT the actual hourly wage is only £6.31 (another example is an agency worker earns £10.33/hour with £1.35/hour for pension and holiday thus equating to £11.68 but in reality the person only get £10.33/hour). Sounds strange but its accurate and true.
[quote][p][bold]Daisyhillbilly[/bold] wrote: So just where are the low paid minimum wage employees the council is to spend 400k on ?? Did a bit of research bottom of lowest pay scale Grade 1 is £6.69 per hour up to the top of Grade 1 at £7 26 per hour The minimum wage is £6 31 per hour which may or may not rise to £7 in the budget (and council workers will get a rise of at least 1%) Therefore the are very few if any staff at the council on the minimum wage as the vast majority are at the top of their pay scale ( remember no recruitment for a number of years and they go up the scale every year ) Maybe the BN should ask the question ??? Misinformation + spin+ lies = Bolton Council[/p][/quote]There has been a pay-freeze on most pay (except for those on minimum wage) for the last 7 years - aand that includes any so-called annual increments! But lets put it this way the minimum wage is £6.31, as Bolton Council pay contributions to a national pension (which all private and public companies will be doing by the end of this year, as many major companies already have to do) they then contribute 38p/hour (which is also taxed) thus making an hourly wage of £6.69 - BUT the actual hourly wage is only £6.31 (another example is an agency worker earns £10.33/hour with £1.35/hour for pension and holiday thus equating to £11.68 but in reality the person only get £10.33/hour). Sounds strange but its accurate and true. BWFC71

10:36pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Donkey Stone says...

Cliff always listens to the good people of Bolton, until we say resign.
Cliff always listens to the good people of Bolton, until we say resign. Donkey Stone

11:00pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Daisyhillbilly says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Daisyhillbilly wrote:
So just where are the low paid minimum wage employees the council is to spend 400k on ?? Did a bit of research bottom of lowest pay scale Grade 1 is £6.69 per hour up to the top of Grade 1 at £7 26 per hour
The minimum wage is £6 31 per hour which may or may not rise to £7 in the budget (and council workers will get a rise of at least 1%)
Therefore the are very few if any staff at the council on the minimum wage as the vast majority are at the top of their pay scale ( remember no recruitment for a number of years and they go up the scale every year ) Maybe the BN should ask the question ???
Misinformation + spin+ lies = Bolton Council
There has been a pay-freeze on most pay (except for those on minimum wage) for the last 7 years - aand that includes any so-called annual increments!

But lets put it this way the minimum wage is £6.31, as Bolton Council pay contributions to a national pension (which all private and public companies will be doing by the end of this year, as many major companies already have to do) they then contribute 38p/hour (which is also taxed) thus making an hourly wage of £6.69 - BUT the actual hourly wage is only £6.31 (another example is an agency worker earns £10.33/hour with £1.35/hour for pension and holiday thus equating to £11.68 but in reality the person only get £10.33/hour). Sounds strange but its accurate and true.
Not quite as accurate as you make out
Council pay was only frozen when this government took over except for last year when they received a 1% pay rise
As I indicated in my post most of the lowest paid council workers are on the top of Grade 1 at £7 26 per hour from there they can pay pension @ 6% with the council paying 14% or opt out and take the money minus tax and NI just like everyone else.
Annual increments have always been paid and staff will move from bottom towards the top of their grade every year ,yes their pay will be frozen if council pay is frozen but they still move up the grade regardless.
As I said previously where are the minimum paid staff ??
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Daisyhillbilly[/bold] wrote: So just where are the low paid minimum wage employees the council is to spend 400k on ?? Did a bit of research bottom of lowest pay scale Grade 1 is £6.69 per hour up to the top of Grade 1 at £7 26 per hour The minimum wage is £6 31 per hour which may or may not rise to £7 in the budget (and council workers will get a rise of at least 1%) Therefore the are very few if any staff at the council on the minimum wage as the vast majority are at the top of their pay scale ( remember no recruitment for a number of years and they go up the scale every year ) Maybe the BN should ask the question ??? Misinformation + spin+ lies = Bolton Council[/p][/quote]There has been a pay-freeze on most pay (except for those on minimum wage) for the last 7 years - aand that includes any so-called annual increments! But lets put it this way the minimum wage is £6.31, as Bolton Council pay contributions to a national pension (which all private and public companies will be doing by the end of this year, as many major companies already have to do) they then contribute 38p/hour (which is also taxed) thus making an hourly wage of £6.69 - BUT the actual hourly wage is only £6.31 (another example is an agency worker earns £10.33/hour with £1.35/hour for pension and holiday thus equating to £11.68 but in reality the person only get £10.33/hour). Sounds strange but its accurate and true.[/p][/quote]Not quite as accurate as you make out Council pay was only frozen when this government took over except for last year when they received a 1% pay rise As I indicated in my post most of the lowest paid council workers are on the top of Grade 1 at £7 26 per hour from there they can pay pension @ 6% with the council paying 14% or opt out and take the money minus tax and NI just like everyone else. Annual increments have always been paid and staff will move from bottom towards the top of their grade every year ,yes their pay will be frozen if council pay is frozen but they still move up the grade regardless. As I said previously where are the minimum paid staff ?? Daisyhillbilly

11:11pm Tue 18 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Daisyhillbilly wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Daisyhillbilly wrote:
So just where are the low paid minimum wage employees the council is to spend 400k on ?? Did a bit of research bottom of lowest pay scale Grade 1 is £6.69 per hour up to the top of Grade 1 at £7 26 per hour
The minimum wage is £6 31 per hour which may or may not rise to £7 in the budget (and council workers will get a rise of at least 1%)
Therefore the are very few if any staff at the council on the minimum wage as the vast majority are at the top of their pay scale ( remember no recruitment for a number of years and they go up the scale every year ) Maybe the BN should ask the question ???
Misinformation + spin+ lies = Bolton Council
There has been a pay-freeze on most pay (except for those on minimum wage) for the last 7 years - aand that includes any so-called annual increments!

But lets put it this way the minimum wage is £6.31, as Bolton Council pay contributions to a national pension (which all private and public companies will be doing by the end of this year, as many major companies already have to do) they then contribute 38p/hour (which is also taxed) thus making an hourly wage of £6.69 - BUT the actual hourly wage is only £6.31 (another example is an agency worker earns £10.33/hour with £1.35/hour for pension and holiday thus equating to £11.68 but in reality the person only get £10.33/hour). Sounds strange but its accurate and true.
Not quite as accurate as you make out
Council pay was only frozen when this government took over except for last year when they received a 1% pay rise
As I indicated in my post most of the lowest paid council workers are on the top of Grade 1 at £7 26 per hour from there they can pay pension @ 6% with the council paying 14% or opt out and take the money minus tax and NI just like everyone else.
Annual increments have always been paid and staff will move from bottom towards the top of their grade every year ,yes their pay will be frozen if council pay is frozen but they still move up the grade regardless.
As I said previously where are the minimum paid staff ??
Do you have access to employee records?

Therefore how do you know that many of the lo at the top of their pay-grade?

Even in thee public sector a persons wage is only known between HR and the employee and is NOT publicised.

Therefore neither you nor I actually know the eact figure but I do know that many care workers, which is the job of the council and not the NHS are actually employed through agencies and get paid the minimum wage - same with school dinner ladies, lollipop people, refuse collectors, etc etc etc - but the council have to pay these agencies for the staff (false economy, yes it is but under the current law, these are all franchised out to the cheapest bidders) but these employees are still classed as council workers!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Daisyhillbilly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Daisyhillbilly[/bold] wrote: So just where are the low paid minimum wage employees the council is to spend 400k on ?? Did a bit of research bottom of lowest pay scale Grade 1 is £6.69 per hour up to the top of Grade 1 at £7 26 per hour The minimum wage is £6 31 per hour which may or may not rise to £7 in the budget (and council workers will get a rise of at least 1%) Therefore the are very few if any staff at the council on the minimum wage as the vast majority are at the top of their pay scale ( remember no recruitment for a number of years and they go up the scale every year ) Maybe the BN should ask the question ??? Misinformation + spin+ lies = Bolton Council[/p][/quote]There has been a pay-freeze on most pay (except for those on minimum wage) for the last 7 years - aand that includes any so-called annual increments! But lets put it this way the minimum wage is £6.31, as Bolton Council pay contributions to a national pension (which all private and public companies will be doing by the end of this year, as many major companies already have to do) they then contribute 38p/hour (which is also taxed) thus making an hourly wage of £6.69 - BUT the actual hourly wage is only £6.31 (another example is an agency worker earns £10.33/hour with £1.35/hour for pension and holiday thus equating to £11.68 but in reality the person only get £10.33/hour). Sounds strange but its accurate and true.[/p][/quote]Not quite as accurate as you make out Council pay was only frozen when this government took over except for last year when they received a 1% pay rise As I indicated in my post most of the lowest paid council workers are on the top of Grade 1 at £7 26 per hour from there they can pay pension @ 6% with the council paying 14% or opt out and take the money minus tax and NI just like everyone else. Annual increments have always been paid and staff will move from bottom towards the top of their grade every year ,yes their pay will be frozen if council pay is frozen but they still move up the grade regardless. As I said previously where are the minimum paid staff ??[/p][/quote]Do you have access to employee records? Therefore how do you know that many of the lo at the top of their pay-grade? Even in thee public sector a persons wage is only known between HR and the employee and is NOT publicised. Therefore neither you nor I actually know the eact figure but I do know that many care workers, which is the job of the council and not the NHS are actually employed through agencies and get paid the minimum wage - same with school dinner ladies, lollipop people, refuse collectors, etc etc etc - but the council have to pay these agencies for the staff (false economy, yes it is but under the current law, these are all franchised out to the cheapest bidders) but these employees are still classed as council workers!!!! BWFC71

11:11pm Tue 18 Feb 14

shadowfax says...

The Righteous One wrote:
shadowfax wrote:
stinks to high heaven....morris and his cronies are corrupt self serving parasites..wasting taxpayers money on an unbelievable scale { new bus station in a ridiculous location.....pointle


ss carbunkle of a xmas ferris wheel }
the whole shower of cretins at the town hall should be thouroughly investigated...then thrown out of office.....perhaps bring back the public stocks for them.... now that would be a money earner !!!!!!!
Bus station is NOT being paid for by the council - that is being paid for by TfGM which the money has come from the Governments Transport Improvement Fund - therefore no council tax is being spent on the new bus station.

I may not like the current crop of parasites but lets get facts right before throwing a wobbly!
the inept..corrupt...imb
eciles at the town hall had to grant permission for the folly of a bus station...so indirectly our taxes are funding this useless group of wannabe politicians
please get your facts right....to be as pedantic as you i never mentioned council tax...as you may or may not know councils have many ways to part you from your money
perhaps try spending money on the towns roads....which are on a par with some third world countries
improve and expand social housing with bolton at home
improve refuse collection / road cleaning.....the town at times looks like a rubbish tip
reading through your posts the righteous one....you seem to have a hidden agenda....shares in tfgm ??...or a council employee ??
either way the deluded one would be more apt
here endeth the lesson
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shadowfax[/bold] wrote: stinks to high heaven....morris and his cronies are corrupt self serving parasites..wasting taxpayers money on an unbelievable scale { new bus station in a ridiculous location.....pointle ss carbunkle of a xmas ferris wheel } the whole shower of cretins at the town hall should be thouroughly investigated...then thrown out of office.....perhaps bring back the public stocks for them.... now that would be a money earner !!!!!!![/p][/quote]Bus station is NOT being paid for by the council - that is being paid for by TfGM which the money has come from the Governments Transport Improvement Fund - therefore no council tax is being spent on the new bus station. I may not like the current crop of parasites but lets get facts right before throwing a wobbly![/p][/quote]the inept..corrupt...imb eciles at the town hall had to grant permission for the folly of a bus station...so indirectly our taxes are funding this useless group of wannabe politicians please get your facts right....to be as pedantic as you i never mentioned council tax...as you may or may not know councils have many ways to part you from your money perhaps try spending money on the towns roads....which are on a par with some third world countries improve and expand social housing with bolton at home improve refuse collection / road cleaning.....the town at times looks like a rubbish tip reading through your posts the righteous one....you seem to have a hidden agenda....shares in tfgm ??...or a council employee ?? either way the deluded one would be more apt here endeth the lesson shadowfax

11:40pm Tue 18 Feb 14

1966Angel says...

Dear readers ,

I would like to know where you want the council to make more savings so that they can have a one million bribe from central government?

There are plenty of areas where these savings can be made:-
1) Stop advertising Bolton as according to the doomsayers on these pages Bolton has gone to pot... Wake up this is everywhere we are just more advanced than Bury and Wigan. It will happen to them when the next big shopping area is built.
2) How about closing the all the library's and the museum. By doing this we could have more kids hanging about in the town centre and on street corners doing nothing. Before you say kids do not go to these places, you should have been in the museum today,; I have never seen it so busy.
3) Scarp the £1.25 school dinners the cheapest in the country - as a parent I can't provide a healthy lunch.

These are just a few areas where money could be saved all of which would effect future Boltonians. But please note that I would not want to make these decisions because no matter what you do you at not going to please everybody.
I would like to point out that I have taken a pay cut due to having be made redundant last year and having to take a lower paid job, before that I did not have a pay rise for over three years and I am not complaining.
Dear readers , I would like to know where you want the council to make more savings so that they can have a one million bribe from central government? There are plenty of areas where these savings can be made:- 1) Stop advertising Bolton as according to the doomsayers on these pages Bolton has gone to pot... Wake up this is everywhere we are just more advanced than Bury and Wigan. It will happen to them when the next big shopping area is built. 2) How about closing the all the library's and the museum. By doing this we could have more kids hanging about in the town centre and on street corners doing nothing. Before you say kids do not go to these places, you should have been in the museum today,; I have never seen it so busy. 3) Scarp the £1.25 school dinners the cheapest in the country - as a parent I can't provide a healthy lunch. These are just a few areas where money could be saved all of which would effect future Boltonians. But please note that I would not want to make these decisions because no matter what you do you at not going to please everybody. I would like to point out that I have taken a pay cut due to having be made redundant last year and having to take a lower paid job, before that I did not have a pay rise for over three years and I am not complaining. 1966Angel

11:40pm Tue 18 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

shadowfax wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
shadowfax wrote:
stinks to high heaven....morris and his cronies are corrupt self serving parasites..wasting taxpayers money on an unbelievable scale { new bus station in a ridiculous location.....pointle



ss carbunkle of a xmas ferris wheel }
the whole shower of cretins at the town hall should be thouroughly investigated...then thrown out of office.....perhaps bring back the public stocks for them.... now that would be a money earner !!!!!!!
Bus station is NOT being paid for by the council - that is being paid for by TfGM which the money has come from the Governments Transport Improvement Fund - therefore no council tax is being spent on the new bus station.

I may not like the current crop of parasites but lets get facts right before throwing a wobbly!
the inept..corrupt...imb

eciles at the town hall had to grant permission for the folly of a bus station...so indirectly our taxes are funding this useless group of wannabe politicians
please get your facts right....to be as pedantic as you i never mentioned council tax...as you may or may not know councils have many ways to part you from your money
perhaps try spending money on the towns roads....which are on a par with some third world countries
improve and expand social housing with bolton at home
improve refuse collection / road cleaning.....the town at times looks like a rubbish tip
reading through your posts the righteous one....you seem to have a hidden agenda....shares in tfgm ??...or a council employee ??
either way the deluded one would be more apt
here endeth the lesson
Firstly - the plan were submitted by TfGM, the CPO's were paid for by TfGM all paid for from the Government TIF grant - therefore all Bolton Council did was to pas the planning permission - just like any other business would have to do. Therefore are you suggesting that the Council have many fingers in many pies (i.e. shares in every business in the borough?) due to the fact they collect the Business Tax for Central Government and they pass and issue many business licences and pass planning permissions for businesses?

Can you please advise as to how they can pay for the repair of the roads considering the council have no money after paying their direct staff, staff employed via agencies (which has to be done by law through franchising departments), teachers, refuse collectors, etc etc etc

Shares in TfGM - err if you had any intelligence you would know that TfGM is a Government quango and is not listed on any stock exchange!!!!

Council employee - nope, but I have many friends who are, and at least they know the reality compared to what this Government (divide and conquer) believes in or what The Daily Mail knows!!!

Bolton at Home is independent of the Council and as such the Council could team up with any of the housing associations, of which there are well over 200 in the UK alone!!!!

The Council has had over a 50% cut in grants given to them by Central Government and the council lost money when the Icelandic bank, it had savings in, collapsed - therefore there is NO money, so cuts have had to be made whilst trying to maintain aa basic presence and keeping the minimum going such as care workers and teachers.

What would you do with a pay cut of over 50%? That is what YOU have to think about before coming out with outrageous suggestions that are basically impossible under the current climate!!!

I have no hidden agenda, but I do want the full picture to be shown and not just a small twisted one. Facts have to be correct otherwise one cannot see the real truth of what is happening!!!
[quote][p][bold]shadowfax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shadowfax[/bold] wrote: stinks to high heaven....morris and his cronies are corrupt self serving parasites..wasting taxpayers money on an unbelievable scale { new bus station in a ridiculous location.....pointle ss carbunkle of a xmas ferris wheel } the whole shower of cretins at the town hall should be thouroughly investigated...then thrown out of office.....perhaps bring back the public stocks for them.... now that would be a money earner !!!!!!![/p][/quote]Bus station is NOT being paid for by the council - that is being paid for by TfGM which the money has come from the Governments Transport Improvement Fund - therefore no council tax is being spent on the new bus station. I may not like the current crop of parasites but lets get facts right before throwing a wobbly![/p][/quote]the inept..corrupt...imb eciles at the town hall had to grant permission for the folly of a bus station...so indirectly our taxes are funding this useless group of wannabe politicians please get your facts right....to be as pedantic as you i never mentioned council tax...as you may or may not know councils have many ways to part you from your money perhaps try spending money on the towns roads....which are on a par with some third world countries improve and expand social housing with bolton at home improve refuse collection / road cleaning.....the town at times looks like a rubbish tip reading through your posts the righteous one....you seem to have a hidden agenda....shares in tfgm ??...or a council employee ?? either way the deluded one would be more apt here endeth the lesson[/p][/quote]Firstly - the plan were submitted by TfGM, the CPO's were paid for by TfGM all paid for from the Government TIF grant - therefore all Bolton Council did was to pas the planning permission - just like any other business would have to do. Therefore are you suggesting that the Council have many fingers in many pies (i.e. shares in every business in the borough?) due to the fact they collect the Business Tax for Central Government and they pass and issue many business licences and pass planning permissions for businesses? Can you please advise as to how they can pay for the repair of the roads considering the council have no money after paying their direct staff, staff employed via agencies (which has to be done by law through franchising departments), teachers, refuse collectors, etc etc etc Shares in TfGM - err if you had any intelligence you would know that TfGM is a Government quango and is not listed on any stock exchange!!!! Council employee - nope, but I have many friends who are, and at least they know the reality compared to what this Government (divide and conquer) believes in or what The Daily Mail knows!!! Bolton at Home is independent of the Council and as such the Council could team up with any of the housing associations, of which there are well over 200 in the UK alone!!!! The Council has had over a 50% cut in grants given to them by Central Government and the council lost money when the Icelandic bank, it had savings in, collapsed - therefore there is NO money, so cuts have had to be made whilst trying to maintain aa basic presence and keeping the minimum going such as care workers and teachers. What would you do with a pay cut of over 50%? That is what YOU have to think about before coming out with outrageous suggestions that are basically impossible under the current climate!!! I have no hidden agenda, but I do want the full picture to be shown and not just a small twisted one. Facts have to be correct otherwise one cannot see the real truth of what is happening!!! BWFC71

11:46pm Tue 18 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

1966Angel wrote:
Dear readers ,

I would like to know where you want the council to make more savings so that they can have a one million bribe from central government?

There are plenty of areas where these savings can be made:-
1) Stop advertising Bolton as according to the doomsayers on these pages Bolton has gone to pot... Wake up this is everywhere we are just more advanced than Bury and Wigan. It will happen to them when the next big shopping area is built.
2) How about closing the all the library's and the museum. By doing this we could have more kids hanging about in the town centre and on street corners doing nothing. Before you say kids do not go to these places, you should have been in the museum today,; I have never seen it so busy.
3) Scarp the £1.25 school dinners the cheapest in the country - as a parent I can't provide a healthy lunch.

These are just a few areas where money could be saved all of which would effect future Boltonians. But please note that I would not want to make these decisions because no matter what you do you at not going to please everybody.
I would like to point out that I have taken a pay cut due to having be made redundant last year and having to take a lower paid job, before that I did not have a pay rise for over three years and I am not complaining.
Well said.

There are many on here who just moan for moaning sake and don't see the real truth. They also make outrageous comments and don't back them up.

As you say I wouldn't like to be in the Councils position as they cant please everyone at the same time and cuts would have to be made if they had taken the million sweetener and refused to increase the council tax.

They seem to forget we are not in prosperous times, and difficult decisions have to be made which will always upset some group, or groups, of people!
[quote][p][bold]1966Angel[/bold] wrote: Dear readers , I would like to know where you want the council to make more savings so that they can have a one million bribe from central government? There are plenty of areas where these savings can be made:- 1) Stop advertising Bolton as according to the doomsayers on these pages Bolton has gone to pot... Wake up this is everywhere we are just more advanced than Bury and Wigan. It will happen to them when the next big shopping area is built. 2) How about closing the all the library's and the museum. By doing this we could have more kids hanging about in the town centre and on street corners doing nothing. Before you say kids do not go to these places, you should have been in the museum today,; I have never seen it so busy. 3) Scarp the £1.25 school dinners the cheapest in the country - as a parent I can't provide a healthy lunch. These are just a few areas where money could be saved all of which would effect future Boltonians. But please note that I would not want to make these decisions because no matter what you do you at not going to please everybody. I would like to point out that I have taken a pay cut due to having be made redundant last year and having to take a lower paid job, before that I did not have a pay rise for over three years and I am not complaining.[/p][/quote]Well said. There are many on here who just moan for moaning sake and don't see the real truth. They also make outrageous comments and don't back them up. As you say I wouldn't like to be in the Councils position as they cant please everyone at the same time and cuts would have to be made if they had taken the million sweetener and refused to increase the council tax. They seem to forget we are not in prosperous times, and difficult decisions have to be made which will always upset some group, or groups, of people! BWFC71

11:52pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Daisyhillbilly says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Daisyhillbilly wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Daisyhillbilly wrote:
So just where are the low paid minimum wage employees the council is to spend 400k on ?? Did a bit of research bottom of lowest pay scale Grade 1 is £6.69 per hour up to the top of Grade 1 at £7 26 per hour
The minimum wage is £6 31 per hour which may or may not rise to £7 in the budget (and council workers will get a rise of at least 1%)
Therefore the are very few if any staff at the council on the minimum wage as the vast majority are at the top of their pay scale ( remember no recruitment for a number of years and they go up the scale every year ) Maybe the BN should ask the question ???
Misinformation + spin+ lies = Bolton Council
There has been a pay-freeze on most pay (except for those on minimum wage) for the last 7 years - aand that includes any so-called annual increments!

But lets put it this way the minimum wage is £6.31, as Bolton Council pay contributions to a national pension (which all private and public companies will be doing by the end of this year, as many major companies already have to do) they then contribute 38p/hour (which is also taxed) thus making an hourly wage of £6.69 - BUT the actual hourly wage is only £6.31 (another example is an agency worker earns £10.33/hour with £1.35/hour for pension and holiday thus equating to £11.68 but in reality the person only get £10.33/hour). Sounds strange but its accurate and true.
Not quite as accurate as you make out
Council pay was only frozen when this government took over except for last year when they received a 1% pay rise
As I indicated in my post most of the lowest paid council workers are on the top of Grade 1 at £7 26 per hour from there they can pay pension @ 6% with the council paying 14% or opt out and take the money minus tax and NI just like everyone else.
Annual increments have always been paid and staff will move from bottom towards the top of their grade every year ,yes their pay will be frozen if council pay is frozen but they still move up the grade regardless.
As I said previously where are the minimum paid staff ??
Do you have access to employee records?

Therefore how do you know that many of the lo at the top of their pay-grade?

Even in thee public sector a persons wage is only known between HR and the employee and is NOT publicised.

Therefore neither you nor I actually know the eact figure but I do know that many care workers, which is the job of the council and not the NHS are actually employed through agencies and get paid the minimum wage - same with school dinner ladies, lollipop people, refuse collectors, etc etc etc - but the council have to pay these agencies for the staff (false economy, yes it is but under the current law, these are all franchised out to the cheapest bidders) but these employees are still classed as council workers!!!!
It's not difficult to find council pay scales just look at the adverts they put out which include grade ,scale point ,hourly rate etc
As I keep saying when the council says it will spend 400k on the lowest paid workers on the minimum wage the BN should ask 'how many workers exactly will this affect'' as it failed to do so the only reasonable way to look at this is as follows
Recruitment freeze for 4 years = very few new staff = all staff continue to top of grade = no staff on minimum wage = spin
As for care workers employed by a private company being council workers ?
Their terms and conditions belong to thier company and can never ever be classed as council employees
I am not a council employee or an HR person just do the research then comment.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Daisyhillbilly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Daisyhillbilly[/bold] wrote: So just where are the low paid minimum wage employees the council is to spend 400k on ?? Did a bit of research bottom of lowest pay scale Grade 1 is £6.69 per hour up to the top of Grade 1 at £7 26 per hour The minimum wage is £6 31 per hour which may or may not rise to £7 in the budget (and council workers will get a rise of at least 1%) Therefore the are very few if any staff at the council on the minimum wage as the vast majority are at the top of their pay scale ( remember no recruitment for a number of years and they go up the scale every year ) Maybe the BN should ask the question ??? Misinformation + spin+ lies = Bolton Council[/p][/quote]There has been a pay-freeze on most pay (except for those on minimum wage) for the last 7 years - aand that includes any so-called annual increments! But lets put it this way the minimum wage is £6.31, as Bolton Council pay contributions to a national pension (which all private and public companies will be doing by the end of this year, as many major companies already have to do) they then contribute 38p/hour (which is also taxed) thus making an hourly wage of £6.69 - BUT the actual hourly wage is only £6.31 (another example is an agency worker earns £10.33/hour with £1.35/hour for pension and holiday thus equating to £11.68 but in reality the person only get £10.33/hour). Sounds strange but its accurate and true.[/p][/quote]Not quite as accurate as you make out Council pay was only frozen when this government took over except for last year when they received a 1% pay rise As I indicated in my post most of the lowest paid council workers are on the top of Grade 1 at £7 26 per hour from there they can pay pension @ 6% with the council paying 14% or opt out and take the money minus tax and NI just like everyone else. Annual increments have always been paid and staff will move from bottom towards the top of their grade every year ,yes their pay will be frozen if council pay is frozen but they still move up the grade regardless. As I said previously where are the minimum paid staff ??[/p][/quote]Do you have access to employee records? Therefore how do you know that many of the lo at the top of their pay-grade? Even in thee public sector a persons wage is only known between HR and the employee and is NOT publicised. Therefore neither you nor I actually know the eact figure but I do know that many care workers, which is the job of the council and not the NHS are actually employed through agencies and get paid the minimum wage - same with school dinner ladies, lollipop people, refuse collectors, etc etc etc - but the council have to pay these agencies for the staff (false economy, yes it is but under the current law, these are all franchised out to the cheapest bidders) but these employees are still classed as council workers!!!![/p][/quote]It's not difficult to find council pay scales just look at the adverts they put out which include grade ,scale point ,hourly rate etc As I keep saying when the council says it will spend 400k on the lowest paid workers on the minimum wage the BN should ask 'how many workers exactly will this affect'' as it failed to do so the only reasonable way to look at this is as follows Recruitment freeze for 4 years = very few new staff = all staff continue to top of grade = no staff on minimum wage = spin As for care workers employed by a private company being council workers ? Their terms and conditions belong to thier company and can never ever be classed as council employees I am not a council employee or an HR person just do the research then comment. Daisyhillbilly

12:00am Wed 19 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Daisyhillbilly wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Daisyhillbilly wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Daisyhillbilly wrote:
So just where are the low paid minimum wage employees the council is to spend 400k on ?? Did a bit of research bottom of lowest pay scale Grade 1 is £6.69 per hour up to the top of Grade 1 at £7 26 per hour
The minimum wage is £6 31 per hour which may or may not rise to £7 in the budget (and council workers will get a rise of at least 1%)
Therefore the are very few if any staff at the council on the minimum wage as the vast majority are at the top of their pay scale ( remember no recruitment for a number of years and they go up the scale every year ) Maybe the BN should ask the question ???
Misinformation + spin+ lies = Bolton Council
There has been a pay-freeze on most pay (except for those on minimum wage) for the last 7 years - aand that includes any so-called annual increments!

But lets put it this way the minimum wage is £6.31, as Bolton Council pay contributions to a national pension (which all private and public companies will be doing by the end of this year, as many major companies already have to do) they then contribute 38p/hour (which is also taxed) thus making an hourly wage of £6.69 - BUT the actual hourly wage is only £6.31 (another example is an agency worker earns £10.33/hour with £1.35/hour for pension and holiday thus equating to £11.68 but in reality the person only get £10.33/hour). Sounds strange but its accurate and true.
Not quite as accurate as you make out
Council pay was only frozen when this government took over except for last year when they received a 1% pay rise
As I indicated in my post most of the lowest paid council workers are on the top of Grade 1 at £7 26 per hour from there they can pay pension @ 6% with the council paying 14% or opt out and take the money minus tax and NI just like everyone else.
Annual increments have always been paid and staff will move from bottom towards the top of their grade every year ,yes their pay will be frozen if council pay is frozen but they still move up the grade regardless.
As I said previously where are the minimum paid staff ??
Do you have access to employee records?

Therefore how do you know that many of the lo at the top of their pay-grade?

Even in thee public sector a persons wage is only known between HR and the employee and is NOT publicised.

Therefore neither you nor I actually know the eact figure but I do know that many care workers, which is the job of the council and not the NHS are actually employed through agencies and get paid the minimum wage - same with school dinner ladies, lollipop people, refuse collectors, etc etc etc - but the council have to pay these agencies for the staff (false economy, yes it is but under the current law, these are all franchised out to the cheapest bidders) but these employees are still classed as council workers!!!!
It's not difficult to find council pay scales just look at the adverts they put out which include grade ,scale point ,hourly rate etc
As I keep saying when the council says it will spend 400k on the lowest paid workers on the minimum wage the BN should ask 'how many workers exactly will this affect'' as it failed to do so the only reasonable way to look at this is as follows
Recruitment freeze for 4 years = very few new staff = all staff continue to top of grade = no staff on minimum wage = spin
As for care workers employed by a private company being council workers ?
Their terms and conditions belong to thier company and can never ever be classed as council employees
I am not a council employee or an HR person just do the research then comment.
They are the pay scales who are directly employed by Bolton Council (which also includes the new national pension scheme which has to be fully implemented by April 2014 by ALL public bodies and private companies) - what about the departments that are franchised out????

The care workers work for agencies who are employed by companies who won the franchises from the council and they ARE classed and council workers. It would be like saying a shop worker that is employed through an agency is not actually a shop worker!!! Or a supply teacher is not actually a teacher because they are not employed by the school but via an agency!!! The terms and conditions are agreed with the council (the ultimate employer) because of the costs involved and because the Council actually pay these companies to run the franchised departments.
[quote][p][bold]Daisyhillbilly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Daisyhillbilly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Daisyhillbilly[/bold] wrote: So just where are the low paid minimum wage employees the council is to spend 400k on ?? Did a bit of research bottom of lowest pay scale Grade 1 is £6.69 per hour up to the top of Grade 1 at £7 26 per hour The minimum wage is £6 31 per hour which may or may not rise to £7 in the budget (and council workers will get a rise of at least 1%) Therefore the are very few if any staff at the council on the minimum wage as the vast majority are at the top of their pay scale ( remember no recruitment for a number of years and they go up the scale every year ) Maybe the BN should ask the question ??? Misinformation + spin+ lies = Bolton Council[/p][/quote]There has been a pay-freeze on most pay (except for those on minimum wage) for the last 7 years - aand that includes any so-called annual increments! But lets put it this way the minimum wage is £6.31, as Bolton Council pay contributions to a national pension (which all private and public companies will be doing by the end of this year, as many major companies already have to do) they then contribute 38p/hour (which is also taxed) thus making an hourly wage of £6.69 - BUT the actual hourly wage is only £6.31 (another example is an agency worker earns £10.33/hour with £1.35/hour for pension and holiday thus equating to £11.68 but in reality the person only get £10.33/hour). Sounds strange but its accurate and true.[/p][/quote]Not quite as accurate as you make out Council pay was only frozen when this government took over except for last year when they received a 1% pay rise As I indicated in my post most of the lowest paid council workers are on the top of Grade 1 at £7 26 per hour from there they can pay pension @ 6% with the council paying 14% or opt out and take the money minus tax and NI just like everyone else. Annual increments have always been paid and staff will move from bottom towards the top of their grade every year ,yes their pay will be frozen if council pay is frozen but they still move up the grade regardless. As I said previously where are the minimum paid staff ??[/p][/quote]Do you have access to employee records? Therefore how do you know that many of the lo at the top of their pay-grade? Even in thee public sector a persons wage is only known between HR and the employee and is NOT publicised. Therefore neither you nor I actually know the eact figure but I do know that many care workers, which is the job of the council and not the NHS are actually employed through agencies and get paid the minimum wage - same with school dinner ladies, lollipop people, refuse collectors, etc etc etc - but the council have to pay these agencies for the staff (false economy, yes it is but under the current law, these are all franchised out to the cheapest bidders) but these employees are still classed as council workers!!!![/p][/quote]It's not difficult to find council pay scales just look at the adverts they put out which include grade ,scale point ,hourly rate etc As I keep saying when the council says it will spend 400k on the lowest paid workers on the minimum wage the BN should ask 'how many workers exactly will this affect'' as it failed to do so the only reasonable way to look at this is as follows Recruitment freeze for 4 years = very few new staff = all staff continue to top of grade = no staff on minimum wage = spin As for care workers employed by a private company being council workers ? Their terms and conditions belong to thier company and can never ever be classed as council employees I am not a council employee or an HR person just do the research then comment.[/p][/quote]They are the pay scales who are directly employed by Bolton Council (which also includes the new national pension scheme which has to be fully implemented by April 2014 by ALL public bodies and private companies) - what about the departments that are franchised out???? The care workers work for agencies who are employed by companies who won the franchises from the council and they ARE classed and council workers. It would be like saying a shop worker that is employed through an agency is not actually a shop worker!!! Or a supply teacher is not actually a teacher because they are not employed by the school but via an agency!!! The terms and conditions are agreed with the council (the ultimate employer) because of the costs involved and because the Council actually pay these companies to run the franchised departments. BWFC71

7:51am Wed 19 Feb 14

Chachi42 says...

Here’s one to ponder...
Bolton MBC Council Tax 2014/15
(A)991 (B) 1157 (C)1322 (D) 1487 (E) 1818 (F) 2148 (G) 2479 (H) 2975

Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea Council Tax 2014/15
(A)714 (B) 833 (C) 952 (D) 1071 (E) 1309 (F) 1547 (G) 1786 (H) 2143

Quote “The extraordinary financial power of an emerging class of super-rich has been revealed in a wealth survey highlighting Britain's poshest postcodes.
One London borough has seen such an influx of the fabulously rich that the average household income there has topped £100,000 for the first time.
As a result, Kensington and Chelsea has been named as the richest borough in the land by far.”
Royal Borough Council Taxpayers are likely to have their Council Tax frozen for the fifth year in a row. Not only that, they are set to receive a one-off £100 rebate, thanks to an overachieving efficiency drive
Here’s one to ponder... Bolton MBC Council Tax 2014/15 (A)991 (B) 1157 (C)1322 (D) 1487 (E) 1818 (F) 2148 (G) 2479 (H) 2975 Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea Council Tax 2014/15 (A)714 (B) 833 (C) 952 (D) 1071 (E) 1309 (F) 1547 (G) 1786 (H) 2143 Quote “The extraordinary financial power of an emerging class of super-rich has been revealed in a wealth survey highlighting Britain's poshest postcodes. One London borough has seen such an influx of the fabulously rich that the average household income there has topped £100,000 for the first time. As a result, Kensington and Chelsea has been named as the richest borough in the land by far.” Royal Borough Council Taxpayers are likely to have their Council Tax frozen for the fifth year in a row. Not only that, they are set to receive a one-off £100 rebate, thanks to an overachieving efficiency drive Chachi42

8:59am Wed 19 Feb 14

thankfully_not_from_here says...

The Righteous One wrote:
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The Righteous One wrote:
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"£400,000 could be spent improving the pay of Bolton Council’s lowest paid workers"

What about me? or the rest of us that are "low paid workers" so we need to do without further just to help the council’s lowest paid workers get a better wage, we dont get a wage rise or a cost of living rise top up, so why the hell should they!!!!

typical Bolton council buggering the poor workers of this town!
Possibly because they are actually worse off than you!! Many of the low paid workers which work for the council, such as care assistants, lillipop people, street cleaners, gardeners and many administrative positions within teh town hall itself are only on minimum wage and the so-called pay rise they "could" be getting will be to raise the minimum wage to the new legal limit which has been set from April - same with all other minimum wage earners in both the private and public sector!
Oh right "The Righteous One" wake up and smell the coffee!!! you are so out of this world your on mars!!!

so by your logic hitting the poor to help the poor is acceptable to you??

I work 40 Hours a week in a low paid job & cant afford the rent & council tax as it is, as well as many other hard working people who live in this shittt holw of a town, and you think its ok to hit us even further and make us in even woworse financial hardship,

i think you should become a councillor!!!!
No but the legal minimum wage is being increased from April - therefore are you suggesting that Bolton Council then break teh law and keep the low-paid workers on a wage that is illegal? That would mean the the council would then be taken to court fined huge amounts of money which the council doesn't have thus where, then, does it find the money to pay the fines????

Also have you not heard about Working Tax Credits or other benefits which are given by Central Governemt to help people like you in your situation? (that money does NOT come from the Council Tax and as such it is not the poor paying for the poor, as you put it!!!)

I think it is you that ought to wake up - there are many council workers on a minimum wage and by law the Council has to make sure these people do keep up with the minimum wage and if that means having to increase the council tax to raise the pay then so be it - only other option is to make these people redundant, which would cost the council even more as they would have to give them a leaving package, by law, dependent upon how many years service they have given, and then these people would becomes, as you would almost certainly label them, benefit scroungers receiving unemployment benefits and other benefits just to keep alive.
Ok "The Righteous One" i will set this out in simple terms for you, as you clearly dont understand the errors you have just made in what you have put....

1) "No but the legal minimum wage is being increased from April - therefore are you suggesting that Bolton Council then break teh law and keep the low-paid workers on a wage that is illegal" - if they accepted the one million freeze they would have had to dig in to the pot already in place to cover this, so your comment is whats redundant!!!

2) "Also have you not heard about Working Tax Credits or other benefits which are given by Central Governemt to help people like you in your situation" - why dont they in turn claim tax credits if they are on the breadline rather than making the poor pay more out of our own pockets!!!!

3) You are an idiot with no idea on the matter so please do us all a favour with your double standards and keep quiet you pleb!


That is all....
1. So what do you think would have been cut to make the savings required if they had accepted the £1million from the government? Repairs of the roads and bridges? Home care and care assistance? education? closure of another library, grey bins to monthly instead of fortnightly? the choie is yours!

2.Councils are not allowed to claim any tax benefits etc etc etc - are you that simple. As a Government body there are very few streams on gaining money - 1 is by raising it, 2 is from subsidies from Central Government 3. Council tax. As the availability of raiosing revenue is only through parking charges and over zealous parking wardens, I don't think that would go down to well with the people.
2. The subsidies from the government have been frozen for the last 7 years and if there is any money they seem to go to Conservative held councils or any other council that allow conservatie idealsims into the council or if any left over then spread amongst the other labour held councils (i.e. very little if any at all)
3. I am not an idiot nor do i have not an idea - in fact its quite the opposite and see teh reality of what teh council will do, and does do, and wht the Government also does and doesn't do. It is not me with the double stndards but all politicians, but if you cannot see that then more fool you!
@ "The Righteous One" you are a feckiing idiot!!!

you have no idea what the hell you are talking about, please see you -50 comments, because you have no idea what you are thinking/typing, you really are so detatched from reality it actually amazes me!!!

just to summarise on your further oberd comments!!

"So what do you think would have been cut to make the savings required if they had accepted the £1million from the government? Repairs of the roads and bridges? Home care and care assistance? education? closure of another library, grey bins to monthly instead of fortnightly? the choie is yours"

(so basically your saying these services are already fantastic?? i am constantly seeing bridges & roads in a shocking condition, lord help us if they cut any more, as i cant see what they can cut from NOTHING!!!, The elderly & the mentally ill are already cast aside & forgotten so again how can they cut any more?? librarys are now a myth in this town already & Monthly bin collection will be something that the council will already be pondering.... they already have enough council tax and cant manage to run this town correctly, if they have any more money nothing different will happen they will still make a balls up of everything anyway so why should we pay more to fund those people who work for the council etc, they should have to manage & suffer like the rest of us, the poor turn to food banks, pay day loans, loan sharks, stealing to eat, drink/take drugs to forget how **** times can get, so why the hell should they be expected to pay further, the council should make those pay rises out of the pot already and maybe the higher council staff should take a pay cut the robbing basterrds
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thankfully_not_from_ here[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thankfully_not_from_ here[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thankfully_not_from_ here[/bold] wrote: "£400,000 could be spent improving the pay of Bolton Council’s lowest paid workers" What about me? or the rest of us that are "low paid workers" so we need to do without further just to help the council’s lowest paid workers get a better wage, we dont get a wage rise or a cost of living rise top up, so why the hell should they!!!! typical Bolton council buggering the poor workers of this town![/p][/quote]Possibly because they are actually worse off than you!! Many of the low paid workers which work for the council, such as care assistants, lillipop people, street cleaners, gardeners and many administrative positions within teh town hall itself are only on minimum wage and the so-called pay rise they "could" be getting will be to raise the minimum wage to the new legal limit which has been set from April - same with all other minimum wage earners in both the private and public sector![/p][/quote]Oh right "The Righteous One" wake up and smell the coffee!!! you are so out of this world your on mars!!! so by your logic hitting the poor to help the poor is acceptable to you?? I work 40 Hours a week in a low paid job & cant afford the rent & council tax as it is, as well as many other hard working people who live in this shittt holw of a town, and you think its ok to hit us even further and make us in even woworse financial hardship, i think you should become a councillor!!!![/p][/quote]No but the legal minimum wage is being increased from April - therefore are you suggesting that Bolton Council then break teh law and keep the low-paid workers on a wage that is illegal? That would mean the the council would then be taken to court fined huge amounts of money which the council doesn't have thus where, then, does it find the money to pay the fines???? Also have you not heard about Working Tax Credits or other benefits which are given by Central Governemt to help people like you in your situation? (that money does NOT come from the Council Tax and as such it is not the poor paying for the poor, as you put it!!!) I think it is you that ought to wake up - there are many council workers on a minimum wage and by law the Council has to make sure these people do keep up with the minimum wage and if that means having to increase the council tax to raise the pay then so be it - only other option is to make these people redundant, which would cost the council even more as they would have to give them a leaving package, by law, dependent upon how many years service they have given, and then these people would becomes, as you would almost certainly label them, benefit scroungers receiving unemployment benefits and other benefits just to keep alive.[/p][/quote]Ok "The Righteous One" i will set this out in simple terms for you, as you clearly dont understand the errors you have just made in what you have put.... 1) "No but the legal minimum wage is being increased from April - therefore are you suggesting that Bolton Council then break teh law and keep the low-paid workers on a wage that is illegal" - if they accepted the one million freeze they would have had to dig in to the pot already in place to cover this, so your comment is whats redundant!!! 2) "Also have you not heard about Working Tax Credits or other benefits which are given by Central Governemt to help people like you in your situation" - why dont they in turn claim tax credits if they are on the breadline rather than making the poor pay more out of our own pockets!!!! 3) You are an idiot with no idea on the matter so please do us all a favour with your double standards and keep quiet you pleb! That is all....[/p][/quote]1. So what do you think would have been cut to make the savings required if they had accepted the £1million from the government? Repairs of the roads and bridges? Home care and care assistance? education? closure of another library, grey bins to monthly instead of fortnightly? the choie is yours! 2.Councils are not allowed to claim any tax benefits etc etc etc - are you that simple. As a Government body there are very few streams on gaining money - 1 is by raising it, 2 is from subsidies from Central Government 3. Council tax. As the availability of raiosing revenue is only through parking charges and over zealous parking wardens, I don't think that would go down to well with the people. 2. The subsidies from the government have been frozen for the last 7 years and if there is any money they seem to go to Conservative held councils or any other council that allow conservatie idealsims into the council or if any left over then spread amongst the other labour held councils (i.e. very little if any at all) 3. I am not an idiot nor do i have not an idea - in fact its quite the opposite and see teh reality of what teh council will do, and does do, and wht the Government also does and doesn't do. It is not me with the double stndards but all politicians, but if you cannot see that then more fool you![/p][/quote]@ "The Righteous One" you are a feckiing idiot!!! you have no idea what the hell you are talking about, please see you -50 comments, because you have no idea what you are thinking/typing, you really are so detatched from reality it actually amazes me!!! just to summarise on your further oberd comments!! "So what do you think would have been cut to make the savings required if they had accepted the £1million from the government? Repairs of the roads and bridges? Home care and care assistance? education? closure of another library, grey bins to monthly instead of fortnightly? the choie is yours" (so basically your saying these services are already fantastic?? i am constantly seeing bridges & roads in a shocking condition, lord help us if they cut any more, as i cant see what they can cut from NOTHING!!!, The elderly & the mentally ill are already cast aside & forgotten so again how can they cut any more?? librarys are now a myth in this town already & Monthly bin collection will be something that the council will already be pondering.... they already have enough council tax and cant manage to run this town correctly, if they have any more money nothing different will happen they will still make a balls up of everything anyway so why should we pay more to fund those people who work for the council etc, they should have to manage & suffer like the rest of us, the poor turn to food banks, pay day loans, loan sharks, stealing to eat, drink/take drugs to forget how **** times can get, so why the hell should they be expected to pay further, the council should make those pay rises out of the pot already and maybe the higher council staff should take a pay cut the robbing basterrds thankfully_not_from_here

9:07am Wed 19 Feb 14

thankfully_not_from_here says...

BWFC71 wrote:
shadowfax wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
shadowfax wrote:
stinks to high heaven....morris and his cronies are corrupt self serving parasites..wasting taxpayers money on an unbelievable scale { new bus station in a ridiculous location.....pointle




ss carbunkle of a xmas ferris wheel }
the whole shower of cretins at the town hall should be thouroughly investigated...then thrown out of office.....perhaps bring back the public stocks for them.... now that would be a money earner !!!!!!!
Bus station is NOT being paid for by the council - that is being paid for by TfGM which the money has come from the Governments Transport Improvement Fund - therefore no council tax is being spent on the new bus station.

I may not like the current crop of parasites but lets get facts right before throwing a wobbly!
the inept..corrupt...imb


eciles at the town hall had to grant permission for the folly of a bus station...so indirectly our taxes are funding this useless group of wannabe politicians
please get your facts right....to be as pedantic as you i never mentioned council tax...as you may or may not know councils have many ways to part you from your money
perhaps try spending money on the towns roads....which are on a par with some third world countries
improve and expand social housing with bolton at home
improve refuse collection / road cleaning.....the town at times looks like a rubbish tip
reading through your posts the righteous one....you seem to have a hidden agenda....shares in tfgm ??...or a council employee ??
either way the deluded one would be more apt
here endeth the lesson
Firstly - the plan were submitted by TfGM, the CPO's were paid for by TfGM all paid for from the Government TIF grant - therefore all Bolton Council did was to pas the planning permission - just like any other business would have to do. Therefore are you suggesting that the Council have many fingers in many pies (i.e. shares in every business in the borough?) due to the fact they collect the Business Tax for Central Government and they pass and issue many business licences and pass planning permissions for businesses?

Can you please advise as to how they can pay for the repair of the roads considering the council have no money after paying their direct staff, staff employed via agencies (which has to be done by law through franchising departments), teachers, refuse collectors, etc etc etc

Shares in TfGM - err if you had any intelligence you would know that TfGM is a Government quango and is not listed on any stock exchange!!!!

Council employee - nope, but I have many friends who are, and at least they know the reality compared to what this Government (divide and conquer) believes in or what The Daily Mail knows!!!

Bolton at Home is independent of the Council and as such the Council could team up with any of the housing associations, of which there are well over 200 in the UK alone!!!!

The Council has had over a 50% cut in grants given to them by Central Government and the council lost money when the Icelandic bank, it had savings in, collapsed - therefore there is NO money, so cuts have had to be made whilst trying to maintain aa basic presence and keeping the minimum going such as care workers and teachers.

What would you do with a pay cut of over 50%? That is what YOU have to think about before coming out with outrageous suggestions that are basically impossible under the current climate!!!

I have no hidden agenda, but I do want the full picture to be shown and not just a small twisted one. Facts have to be correct otherwise one cannot see the real truth of what is happening!!!
Yet another idiot on these pages!!! @ BWFC71 (Also the questions you answered wasnt actually addressed to you, but you gave a stupid answer to them so this is why you are also an idiot with lots & lots of thumbs down!!)

BWFC71 - "Shares in TfGM - err if you had any intelligence you would know that TfGM is a Government quango and is not listed on any stock exchange!!!!"

Well BWFC71, people who work for them get profit shares, if you did your "research" you would have known this, so maybe you should get your "intelligence" checked you bloody idiot!!!, yourself & "The Righteous One" are both disconnected from reality, either you are the same person, or you are both brain dead, i have no idea but both of your comments have gone down like a lead ballon so maybe that tells you something....you both must be either council employees or work within the transport company as your comments are always directed to how amazing they are....
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shadowfax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shadowfax[/bold] wrote: stinks to high heaven....morris and his cronies are corrupt self serving parasites..wasting taxpayers money on an unbelievable scale { new bus station in a ridiculous location.....pointle ss carbunkle of a xmas ferris wheel } the whole shower of cretins at the town hall should be thouroughly investigated...then thrown out of office.....perhaps bring back the public stocks for them.... now that would be a money earner !!!!!!![/p][/quote]Bus station is NOT being paid for by the council - that is being paid for by TfGM which the money has come from the Governments Transport Improvement Fund - therefore no council tax is being spent on the new bus station. I may not like the current crop of parasites but lets get facts right before throwing a wobbly![/p][/quote]the inept..corrupt...imb eciles at the town hall had to grant permission for the folly of a bus station...so indirectly our taxes are funding this useless group of wannabe politicians please get your facts right....to be as pedantic as you i never mentioned council tax...as you may or may not know councils have many ways to part you from your money perhaps try spending money on the towns roads....which are on a par with some third world countries improve and expand social housing with bolton at home improve refuse collection / road cleaning.....the town at times looks like a rubbish tip reading through your posts the righteous one....you seem to have a hidden agenda....shares in tfgm ??...or a council employee ?? either way the deluded one would be more apt here endeth the lesson[/p][/quote]Firstly - the plan were submitted by TfGM, the CPO's were paid for by TfGM all paid for from the Government TIF grant - therefore all Bolton Council did was to pas the planning permission - just like any other business would have to do. Therefore are you suggesting that the Council have many fingers in many pies (i.e. shares in every business in the borough?) due to the fact they collect the Business Tax for Central Government and they pass and issue many business licences and pass planning permissions for businesses? Can you please advise as to how they can pay for the repair of the roads considering the council have no money after paying their direct staff, staff employed via agencies (which has to be done by law through franchising departments), teachers, refuse collectors, etc etc etc Shares in TfGM - err if you had any intelligence you would know that TfGM is a Government quango and is not listed on any stock exchange!!!! Council employee - nope, but I have many friends who are, and at least they know the reality compared to what this Government (divide and conquer) believes in or what The Daily Mail knows!!! Bolton at Home is independent of the Council and as such the Council could team up with any of the housing associations, of which there are well over 200 in the UK alone!!!! The Council has had over a 50% cut in grants given to them by Central Government and the council lost money when the Icelandic bank, it had savings in, collapsed - therefore there is NO money, so cuts have had to be made whilst trying to maintain aa basic presence and keeping the minimum going such as care workers and teachers. What would you do with a pay cut of over 50%? That is what YOU have to think about before coming out with outrageous suggestions that are basically impossible under the current climate!!! I have no hidden agenda, but I do want the full picture to be shown and not just a small twisted one. Facts have to be correct otherwise one cannot see the real truth of what is happening!!![/p][/quote]Yet another idiot on these pages!!! @ BWFC71 (Also the questions you answered wasnt actually addressed to you, but you gave a stupid answer to them so this is why you are also an idiot with lots & lots of thumbs down!!) BWFC71 - "Shares in TfGM - err if you had any intelligence you would know that TfGM is a Government quango and is not listed on any stock exchange!!!!" Well BWFC71, people who work for them get profit shares, if you did your "research" you would have known this, so maybe you should get your "intelligence" checked you bloody idiot!!!, yourself & "The Righteous One" are both disconnected from reality, either you are the same person, or you are both brain dead, i have no idea but both of your comments have gone down like a lead ballon so maybe that tells you something....you both must be either council employees or work within the transport company as your comments are always directed to how amazing they are.... thankfully_not_from_here

12:39pm Wed 19 Feb 14

The Righteous One says...

TfGM staff DO NOT get profit share as it is a not-for-profit organisation and as such does not make a profit.

DO you not understand how a Government QUANGO works?

It is not a private or limited company and it is not a charity. Yes staff get bonuses just like in 99.9% of companies if targets are reached but as there is no profit there can be no profit share!!!!





The funding for TfGM comes from the Council Tax payers of Greater Manchester, funding and grants from Central Government. The profits from Metrolink go to the company that operates teh franchise for, and behalf of, TfGM

On 1 April 2011 the GMPTE became Transport for Greater Manchester (TfGM), a new regional transport body for Greater Manchester that forms part of the new Greater Manchester Combined Authority (GMCA). As a result GMITA was abolished, replaced by the Transport for Greater Manchester Committee (TfGMC) which ultimately reports to the Combined Authority. TfGMC and its subcommittees are made up of a nominated pool of 33 councillors from the ten metropolitan boroughs of Greater Manchester who manage TfGM and create transport policy in Greater Manchester.

Although it differs in certain structural forms, on the day of its inauguration TfGM became the second most powerful and influential transport organisation in England after Transport for London because it unites previously splintered governance over transport policy in the boroughs under one body. It elects its own Chair and Vice-Chair and assumes the functions previously performed by GMITA as well as the newly devolved transport powers and responsibilities from Government and the 10 Metropolitan Councils which make up the area. The 33 councillors have voting rights on most transport issues despite not being members of the GMCA: though major decisions still require approval by the GMCA, the functions which are referred (but not delegated) to the TfGMC include making recommendations in relation to:
The budget and transport levy
Borrowing limit
Major and strategic transport policies
The local transport plan
Operation of Greater Manchester Transport Fund and approval of new schemes
Appointment of Director General/Chief Executive of TfGM

In addition, two functions are delegated solely to the TfGMC without requiring GMCA approval, namely road safety under Section 39, Road Traffic Act 1988 and traffic management under Sections 16-17, Traffic Management Act 2004.
TfGM staff DO NOT get profit share as it is a not-for-profit organisation and as such does not make a profit. DO you not understand how a Government QUANGO works? It is not a private or limited company and it is not a charity. Yes staff get bonuses just like in 99.9% of companies if targets are reached but as there is no profit there can be no profit share!!!! The funding for TfGM comes from the Council Tax payers of Greater Manchester, funding and grants from Central Government. The profits from Metrolink go to the company that operates teh franchise for, and behalf of, TfGM On 1 April 2011 the GMPTE became Transport for Greater Manchester (TfGM),[13] a new regional transport body for Greater Manchester[14][15][16] that forms part of the new Greater Manchester Combined Authority (GMCA). As a result GMITA was abolished,[13] replaced by the Transport for Greater Manchester Committee (TfGMC) which ultimately reports to the Combined Authority. TfGMC and its subcommittees are made up of a nominated pool of 33 councillors from the ten metropolitan boroughs of Greater Manchester who manage TfGM and create transport policy in Greater Manchester. Although it differs in certain structural forms, on the day of its inauguration TfGM became the second most powerful and influential transport organisation in England after Transport for London because it unites previously splintered governance over transport policy in the boroughs under one body. It elects its own Chair and Vice-Chair and assumes the functions previously performed by GMITA as well as the newly devolved transport powers and responsibilities from Government and the 10 Metropolitan Councils which make up the area. The 33 councillors have voting rights on most transport issues despite not being members of the GMCA: though major decisions still require approval by the GMCA, the functions which are referred (but not delegated) to the TfGMC include making recommendations in relation to: The budget and transport levy Borrowing limit Major and strategic transport policies The local transport plan Operation of Greater Manchester Transport Fund and approval of new schemes Appointment of Director General/Chief Executive of TfGM In addition, two functions are delegated solely to the TfGMC without requiring GMCA approval, namely road safety under Section 39, Road Traffic Act 1988 and traffic management under Sections 16-17, Traffic Management Act 2004. The Righteous One

12:54pm Wed 19 Feb 14

The Righteous One says...

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"£400,000 could be spent improving the pay of Bolton Council’s lowest paid workers"

What about me? or the rest of us that are "low paid workers" so we need to do without further just to help the council’s lowest paid workers get a better wage, we dont get a wage rise or a cost of living rise top up, so why the hell should they!!!!

typical Bolton council buggering the poor workers of this town!
Possibly because they are actually worse off than you!! Many of the low paid workers which work for the council, such as care assistants, lillipop people, street cleaners, gardeners and many administrative positions within teh town hall itself are only on minimum wage and the so-called pay rise they "could" be getting will be to raise the minimum wage to the new legal limit which has been set from April - same with all other minimum wage earners in both the private and public sector!
Oh right "The Righteous One" wake up and smell the coffee!!! you are so out of this world your on mars!!!

so by your logic hitting the poor to help the poor is acceptable to you??

I work 40 Hours a week in a low paid job & cant afford the rent & council tax as it is, as well as many other hard working people who live in this shittt holw of a town, and you think its ok to hit us even further and make us in even woworse financial hardship,

i think you should become a councillor!!!!
No but the legal minimum wage is being increased from April - therefore are you suggesting that Bolton Council then break teh law and keep the low-paid workers on a wage that is illegal? That would mean the the council would then be taken to court fined huge amounts of money which the council doesn't have thus where, then, does it find the money to pay the fines????

Also have you not heard about Working Tax Credits or other benefits which are given by Central Governemt to help people like you in your situation? (that money does NOT come from the Council Tax and as such it is not the poor paying for the poor, as you put it!!!)

I think it is you that ought to wake up - there are many council workers on a minimum wage and by law the Council has to make sure these people do keep up with the minimum wage and if that means having to increase the council tax to raise the pay then so be it - only other option is to make these people redundant, which would cost the council even more as they would have to give them a leaving package, by law, dependent upon how many years service they have given, and then these people would becomes, as you would almost certainly label them, benefit scroungers receiving unemployment benefits and other benefits just to keep alive.
Ok "The Righteous One" i will set this out in simple terms for you, as you clearly dont understand the errors you have just made in what you have put....

1) "No but the legal minimum wage is being increased from April - therefore are you suggesting that Bolton Council then break teh law and keep the low-paid workers on a wage that is illegal" - if they accepted the one million freeze they would have had to dig in to the pot already in place to cover this, so your comment is whats redundant!!!

2) "Also have you not heard about Working Tax Credits or other benefits which are given by Central Governemt to help people like you in your situation" - why dont they in turn claim tax credits if they are on the breadline rather than making the poor pay more out of our own pockets!!!!

3) You are an idiot with no idea on the matter so please do us all a favour with your double standards and keep quiet you pleb!


That is all....
1. So what do you think would have been cut to make the savings required if they had accepted the £1million from the government? Repairs of the roads and bridges? Home care and care assistance? education? closure of another library, grey bins to monthly instead of fortnightly? the choie is yours!

2.Councils are not allowed to claim any tax benefits etc etc etc - are you that simple. As a Government body there are very few streams on gaining money - 1 is by raising it, 2 is from subsidies from Central Government 3. Council tax. As the availability of raiosing revenue is only through parking charges and over zealous parking wardens, I don't think that would go down to well with the people.
2. The subsidies from the government have been frozen for the last 7 years and if there is any money they seem to go to Conservative held councils or any other council that allow conservatie idealsims into the council or if any left over then spread amongst the other labour held councils (i.e. very little if any at all)
3. I am not an idiot nor do i have not an idea - in fact its quite the opposite and see teh reality of what teh council will do, and does do, and wht the Government also does and doesn't do. It is not me with the double stndards but all politicians, but if you cannot see that then more fool you!
@ "The Righteous One" you are a feckiing idiot!!!

you have no idea what the hell you are talking about, please see you -50 comments, because you have no idea what you are thinking/typing, you really are so detatched from reality it actually amazes me!!!

just to summarise on your further oberd comments!!

"So what do you think would have been cut to make the savings required if they had accepted the £1million from the government? Repairs of the roads and bridges? Home care and care assistance? education? closure of another library, grey bins to monthly instead of fortnightly? the choie is yours"

(so basically your saying these services are already fantastic?? i am constantly seeing bridges & roads in a shocking condition, lord help us if they cut any more, as i cant see what they can cut from NOTHING!!!, The elderly & the mentally ill are already cast aside & forgotten so again how can they cut any more?? librarys are now a myth in this town already & Monthly bin collection will be something that the council will already be pondering.... they already have enough council tax and cant manage to run this town correctly, if they have any more money nothing different will happen they will still make a balls up of everything anyway so why should we pay more to fund those people who work for the council etc, they should have to manage & suffer like the rest of us, the poor turn to food banks, pay day loans, loan sharks, stealing to eat, drink/take drugs to forget how **** times can get, so why the hell should they be expected to pay further, the council should make those pay rises out of the pot already and maybe the higher council staff should take a pay cut the robbing basterrds
name calling - the first sign of losing a debate or argument - mainly because you don't have the correct facts and been shown up as such therefore it comes down to childish games!

-50 or-300 I don't give a **** - now if you did your research yuou would see that I am RIGHT. For instance just looking on the correct webpages instead of the inside pages of the Sun or Daily Fail will give you at least 100% more accurate infomration than those scandal rags!


I see you like to try putting words in to my mouth when in fact I have said no such thing.

Do I think those services which you have pointed out are fantastic? No I don't, in fact they are severley underfunded and will be more so after the enxt 3 years but the people in those jobs are doing amazing work with very little money and back-up and they put their life and soul into what they are doing!

The elderly and mentally ill, again underfunded, but the people looking after them are doing a fantastic jio. I have an elderly relative in a nursing home which is outside Bolton but paid for by Bolton Council and she is doing fantastic considering, and just had her 6 monthly review by the social care department - therefore, again, you ought to do your own research before even spouting such nonsense.

As with regards to roads and bridges - only so much can be done, and nothing can be done in the weather we have had recent;y. Yes it could be repaired bu the weather we have had would undo the repairs and make the damage even worse!!!! But the money for that departyment can only go so far!!!!

Libraries do exist and there is a magnificent library in teh centre of town which also holds a museum, art gallery and an aquarium!!!! For 7 years I lived in a city, outside teh UK, which had a state of the art library in 3 areas of teh city but to use the library we had to pay €50/year. Therefore what we have, and for what money is spent on it, is amazing.

YOu then go on rubbishing all that I have said.

Now I ask you........

If you were the Council Leader and you were faced with the amount of cuts that this council has had to endure, and will do so for the next 5 years. What would you cut to keep front line services going, or even expand on what we need, if possible. whilst keeping within the law that Councils have to operate in? Plus would you be able to get tax payer on yourside with the so-called cuts?
[quote][p][bold]thankfully_not_from_ here[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thankfully_not_from_ here[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thankfully_not_from_ here[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thankfully_not_from_ here[/bold] wrote: "£400,000 could be spent improving the pay of Bolton Council’s lowest paid workers" What about me? or the rest of us that are "low paid workers" so we need to do without further just to help the council’s lowest paid workers get a better wage, we dont get a wage rise or a cost of living rise top up, so why the hell should they!!!! typical Bolton council buggering the poor workers of this town![/p][/quote]Possibly because they are actually worse off than you!! Many of the low paid workers which work for the council, such as care assistants, lillipop people, street cleaners, gardeners and many administrative positions within teh town hall itself are only on minimum wage and the so-called pay rise they "could" be getting will be to raise the minimum wage to the new legal limit which has been set from April - same with all other minimum wage earners in both the private and public sector![/p][/quote]Oh right "The Righteous One" wake up and smell the coffee!!! you are so out of this world your on mars!!! so by your logic hitting the poor to help the poor is acceptable to you?? I work 40 Hours a week in a low paid job & cant afford the rent & council tax as it is, as well as many other hard working people who live in this shittt holw of a town, and you think its ok to hit us even further and make us in even woworse financial hardship, i think you should become a councillor!!!![/p][/quote]No but the legal minimum wage is being increased from April - therefore are you suggesting that Bolton Council then break teh law and keep the low-paid workers on a wage that is illegal? That would mean the the council would then be taken to court fined huge amounts of money which the council doesn't have thus where, then, does it find the money to pay the fines???? Also have you not heard about Working Tax Credits or other benefits which are given by Central Governemt to help people like you in your situation? (that money does NOT come from the Council Tax and as such it is not the poor paying for the poor, as you put it!!!) I think it is you that ought to wake up - there are many council workers on a minimum wage and by law the Council has to make sure these people do keep up with the minimum wage and if that means having to increase the council tax to raise the pay then so be it - only other option is to make these people redundant, which would cost the council even more as they would have to give them a leaving package, by law, dependent upon how many years service they have given, and then these people would becomes, as you would almost certainly label them, benefit scroungers receiving unemployment benefits and other benefits just to keep alive.[/p][/quote]Ok "The Righteous One" i will set this out in simple terms for you, as you clearly dont understand the errors you have just made in what you have put.... 1) "No but the legal minimum wage is being increased from April - therefore are you suggesting that Bolton Council then break teh law and keep the low-paid workers on a wage that is illegal" - if they accepted the one million freeze they would have had to dig in to the pot already in place to cover this, so your comment is whats redundant!!! 2) "Also have you not heard about Working Tax Credits or other benefits which are given by Central Governemt to help people like you in your situation" - why dont they in turn claim tax credits if they are on the breadline rather than making the poor pay more out of our own pockets!!!! 3) You are an idiot with no idea on the matter so please do us all a favour with your double standards and keep quiet you pleb! That is all....[/p][/quote]1. So what do you think would have been cut to make the savings required if they had accepted the £1million from the government? Repairs of the roads and bridges? Home care and care assistance? education? closure of another library, grey bins to monthly instead of fortnightly? the choie is yours! 2.Councils are not allowed to claim any tax benefits etc etc etc - are you that simple. As a Government body there are very few streams on gaining money - 1 is by raising it, 2 is from subsidies from Central Government 3. Council tax. As the availability of raiosing revenue is only through parking charges and over zealous parking wardens, I don't think that would go down to well with the people. 2. The subsidies from the government have been frozen for the last 7 years and if there is any money they seem to go to Conservative held councils or any other council that allow conservatie idealsims into the council or if any left over then spread amongst the other labour held councils (i.e. very little if any at all) 3. I am not an idiot nor do i have not an idea - in fact its quite the opposite and see teh reality of what teh council will do, and does do, and wht the Government also does and doesn't do. It is not me with the double stndards but all politicians, but if you cannot see that then more fool you![/p][/quote]@ "The Righteous One" you are a feckiing idiot!!! you have no idea what the hell you are talking about, please see you -50 comments, because you have no idea what you are thinking/typing, you really are so detatched from reality it actually amazes me!!! just to summarise on your further oberd comments!! "So what do you think would have been cut to make the savings required if they had accepted the £1million from the government? Repairs of the roads and bridges? Home care and care assistance? education? closure of another library, grey bins to monthly instead of fortnightly? the choie is yours" (so basically your saying these services are already fantastic?? i am constantly seeing bridges & roads in a shocking condition, lord help us if they cut any more, as i cant see what they can cut from NOTHING!!!, The elderly & the mentally ill are already cast aside & forgotten so again how can they cut any more?? librarys are now a myth in this town already & Monthly bin collection will be something that the council will already be pondering.... they already have enough council tax and cant manage to run this town correctly, if they have any more money nothing different will happen they will still make a balls up of everything anyway so why should we pay more to fund those people who work for the council etc, they should have to manage & suffer like the rest of us, the poor turn to food banks, pay day loans, loan sharks, stealing to eat, drink/take drugs to forget how **** times can get, so why the hell should they be expected to pay further, the council should make those pay rises out of the pot already and maybe the higher council staff should take a pay cut the robbing basterrds[/p][/quote]name calling - the first sign of losing a debate or argument - mainly because you don't have the correct facts and been shown up as such therefore it comes down to childish games! -50 or-300 I don't give a **** - now if you did your research yuou would see that I am RIGHT. For instance just looking on the correct webpages instead of the inside pages of the Sun or Daily Fail will give you at least 100% more accurate infomration than those scandal rags! I see you like to try putting words in to my mouth when in fact I have said no such thing. Do I think those services which you have pointed out are fantastic? No I don't, in fact they are severley underfunded and will be more so after the enxt 3 years but the people in those jobs are doing amazing work with very little money and back-up and they put their life and soul into what they are doing! The elderly and mentally ill, again underfunded, but the people looking after them are doing a fantastic jio. I have an elderly relative in a nursing home which is outside Bolton but paid for by Bolton Council and she is doing fantastic considering, and just had her 6 monthly review by the social care department - therefore, again, you ought to do your own research before even spouting such nonsense. As with regards to roads and bridges - only so much can be done, and nothing can be done in the weather we have had recent;y. Yes it could be repaired bu the weather we have had would undo the repairs and make the damage even worse!!!! But the money for that departyment can only go so far!!!! Libraries do exist and there is a magnificent library in teh centre of town which also holds a museum, art gallery and an aquarium!!!! For 7 years I lived in a city, outside teh UK, which had a state of the art library in 3 areas of teh city but to use the library we had to pay €50/year. Therefore what we have, and for what money is spent on it, is amazing. YOu then go on rubbishing all that I have said. Now I ask you........ If you were the Council Leader and you were faced with the amount of cuts that this council has had to endure, and will do so for the next 5 years. What would you cut to keep front line services going, or even expand on what we need, if possible. whilst keeping within the law that Councils have to operate in? Plus would you be able to get tax payer on yourside with the so-called cuts? The Righteous One

12:59pm Wed 19 Feb 14

The Righteous One says...

For your information, my profession is legal work in a firm of solicitors in Manchester!
For your information, my profession is legal work in a firm of solicitors in Manchester! The Righteous One

1:06pm Wed 19 Feb 14

The Righteous One says...

You say that teh council already has enough money from teh council tax!

Does it?

The price of goods and services provided by the private sector, which the council has to use is increasing year on year - so where do they get the money for that?

The porice of materials to repair the roads etc etc etc goes up year on year - so where do they get the money for that?

Minimum wage goes up yearly, so where does the money for that come from?

Franchsing out departments, which the Council has to do by law, copsts money to run and that costs increases year on year - so where do they get the oney for that?

Cost of looking after more and more elderly increases, so does the cost of equipment - where do they get the money for that?

The cost of ebnergy and fuel has gone up year on year, and still doing so - where does the money come from to keep paying for it?

Ther list goes on and on and on - again where does the council get the money from if they don't put up the Council Tax? £1million goes very quickly nowadays.

Just look where £100 pound goes nowadays, compared to 5 years ago!!! That what teh Council has to budget, just like every household does. ANd if that means having to rise a tax to help fund teh basics, then so be it, otherwise the front line swervices will fall further and further behind of what is expected.
You say that teh council already has enough money from teh council tax! Does it? The price of goods and services provided by the private sector, which the council has to use is increasing year on year - so where do they get the money for that? The porice of materials to repair the roads etc etc etc goes up year on year - so where do they get the money for that? Minimum wage goes up yearly, so where does the money for that come from? Franchsing out departments, which the Council has to do by law, copsts money to run and that costs increases year on year - so where do they get the oney for that? Cost of looking after more and more elderly increases, so does the cost of equipment - where do they get the money for that? The cost of ebnergy and fuel has gone up year on year, and still doing so - where does the money come from to keep paying for it? Ther list goes on and on and on - again where does the council get the money from if they don't put up the Council Tax? £1million goes very quickly nowadays. Just look where £100 pound goes nowadays, compared to 5 years ago!!! That what teh Council has to budget, just like every household does. ANd if that means having to rise a tax to help fund teh basics, then so be it, otherwise the front line swervices will fall further and further behind of what is expected. The Righteous One

7:04pm Wed 19 Feb 14

bolton bandit says...

Note to all labour voters..... this is a LABOUR CONTROLED council...
This is what you get with totally useless councillors who don't give a hoot about anybody else except their £200_£300+ per session meetings or so I've been told.... There's an election comming up so you know what to do in may vote them out.
Note to all labour voters..... this is a LABOUR CONTROLED council... This is what you get with totally useless councillors who don't give a hoot about anybody else except their £200_£300+ per session meetings or so I've been told.... There's an election comming up so you know what to do in may vote them out. bolton bandit

7:07pm Wed 19 Feb 14

bolton bandit says...

The Righteous One wrote:
For your information, my profession is legal work in a firm of solicitors in Manchester!
Thats probably why you can afford price rises working either in or as a solicitors.legal rip off merchants like mp's
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: For your information, my profession is legal work in a firm of solicitors in Manchester![/p][/quote]Thats probably why you can afford price rises working either in or as a solicitors.legal rip off merchants like mp's bolton bandit

7:26pm Wed 19 Feb 14

bolton bandit says...

bolton bandit wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
For your information, my profession is legal work in a firm of solicitors in Manchester!
Thats probably why you can afford price rises working either in or as a solicitors.legal rip off merchants like mp's
Excactly legal work
[quote][p][bold]bolton bandit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: For your information, my profession is legal work in a firm of solicitors in Manchester![/p][/quote]Thats probably why you can afford price rises working either in or as a solicitors.legal rip off merchants like mp's[/p][/quote]Excactly legal work bolton bandit

8:11pm Wed 19 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

bolton bandit wrote:
Note to all labour voters..... this is a LABOUR CONTROLED council...
This is what you get with totally useless councillors who don't give a hoot about anybody else except their £200_£300+ per session meetings or so I've been told.... There's an election comming up so you know what to do in may vote them out.
Ok, so where does Bolton Council get the extra money from to support the very basics in the town - or what would you cut back on - whilst staying within the law that the Council has to work in?

Funny how you haven't commented on that, or is it because you couldn't do any better?

And yes I do work, work hard for what I get - unlike many on here who expect everything for nothing and expect to get it by doing the most minimum!

I have worked hard and even worked abroad throughout my working life because I believe in bettering myself rather than becoming a whinging lazy old ****!
[quote][p][bold]bolton bandit[/bold] wrote: Note to all labour voters..... this is a LABOUR CONTROLED council... This is what you get with totally useless councillors who don't give a hoot about anybody else except their £200_£300+ per session meetings or so I've been told.... There's an election comming up so you know what to do in may vote them out.[/p][/quote]Ok, so where does Bolton Council get the extra money from to support the very basics in the town - or what would you cut back on - whilst staying within the law that the Council has to work in? Funny how you haven't commented on that, or is it because you couldn't do any better? And yes I do work, work hard for what I get - unlike many on here who expect everything for nothing and expect to get it by doing the most minimum! I have worked hard and even worked abroad throughout my working life because I believe in bettering myself rather than becoming a whinging lazy old ****! BWFC71

10:18pm Wed 19 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

bolton bandit wrote:
bolton bandit wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
For your information, my profession is legal work in a firm of solicitors in Manchester!
Thats probably why you can afford price rises working either in or as a solicitors.legal rip off merchants like mp's
Excactly legal work
Why are you responding to your own quotes?

Have you forgot to change username?
[quote][p][bold]bolton bandit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolton bandit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: For your information, my profession is legal work in a firm of solicitors in Manchester![/p][/quote]Thats probably why you can afford price rises working either in or as a solicitors.legal rip off merchants like mp's[/p][/quote]Excactly legal work[/p][/quote]Why are you responding to your own quotes? Have you forgot to change username? BWFC71

10:21pm Wed 19 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

bolton bandit wrote:
Note to all labour voters..... this is a LABOUR CONTROLED council...
This is what you get with totally useless councillors who don't give a hoot about anybody else except their £200_£300+ per session meetings or so I've been told.... There's an election comming up so you know what to do in may vote them out.
Errrm only 33% of the seats are up for grabs - not enough to remove Labour from power!!!!

Do you honestly know how the local elections work?

Unfortunately to remove Labour from power it will take 2 to 3 years as the local elections take place in 3 of every 4 years (thus meaning only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs in each election)

The local elections are:
May 2014 (1/3 seats)
May 2015 (1/3 seats)
May 2016 (1/3 seats)
May 2017 NO LOCAL ELECTIONS
May 2018 (1/3 seats)
May 2019 (1/3 seats)
May 2020 (1/3 seats)
May 2021 NO LOCAL ELECTIONS
etc etc etc
[quote][p][bold]bolton bandit[/bold] wrote: Note to all labour voters..... this is a LABOUR CONTROLED council... This is what you get with totally useless councillors who don't give a hoot about anybody else except their £200_£300+ per session meetings or so I've been told.... There's an election comming up so you know what to do in may vote them out.[/p][/quote]Errrm only 33% of the seats are up for grabs - not enough to remove Labour from power!!!! Do you honestly know how the local elections work? Unfortunately to remove Labour from power it will take 2 to 3 years as the local elections take place in 3 of every 4 years (thus meaning only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs in each election) The local elections are: May 2014 (1/3 seats) May 2015 (1/3 seats) May 2016 (1/3 seats) May 2017 NO LOCAL ELECTIONS May 2018 (1/3 seats) May 2019 (1/3 seats) May 2020 (1/3 seats) May 2021 NO LOCAL ELECTIONS etc etc etc BWFC71

11:20pm Wed 19 Feb 14

davidjacobs199 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
For your information, my profession is legal work in a firm of solicitors in Manchester!
I think you mean AT a legal firm

you cannot even string a few words together without looking like a total moron

lets all be honest here............ you are mentally unwell, thick and obsessed with the BEN comments section

it seems to have taken over your life, and for some reason you think others believe your fantasy stories about your hillarious life

if i wasnt laughing so much i would pity you

get some help and stop living life on the ben comments section like some derranged drug addicted loser...............
..... its so creepy
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: For your information, my profession is legal work in a firm of solicitors in Manchester![/p][/quote]I think you mean AT a legal firm you cannot even string a few words together without looking like a total moron lets all be honest here............ you are mentally unwell, thick and obsessed with the BEN comments section it seems to have taken over your life, and for some reason you think others believe your fantasy stories about your hillarious life if i wasnt laughing so much i would pity you get some help and stop living life on the ben comments section like some derranged drug addicted loser............... ..... its so creepy davidjacobs199

11:39pm Wed 19 Feb 14

davidjacobs199 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
bolton bandit wrote:
bolton bandit wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
For your information, my profession is legal work in a firm of solicitors in Manchester!
Thats probably why you can afford price rises working either in or as a solicitors.legal rip off merchants like mp's
Excactly legal work
Why are you responding to your own quotes?

Have you forgot to change username?
says they guy who speaks to himself under the names the righteous one and BWFC

truly and utterly pathetic in every way
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolton bandit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolton bandit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: For your information, my profession is legal work in a firm of solicitors in Manchester![/p][/quote]Thats probably why you can afford price rises working either in or as a solicitors.legal rip off merchants like mp's[/p][/quote]Excactly legal work[/p][/quote]Why are you responding to your own quotes? Have you forgot to change username?[/p][/quote]says they guy who speaks to himself under the names the righteous one and BWFC truly and utterly pathetic in every way davidjacobs199

12:08am Thu 20 Feb 14

davidjacobs199 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
bolton bandit wrote:
Note to all labour voters..... this is a LABOUR CONTROLED council...
This is what you get with totally useless councillors who don't give a hoot about anybody else except their £200_£300+ per session meetings or so I've been told.... There's an election comming up so you know what to do in may vote them out.
Ok, so where does Bolton Council get the extra money from to support the very basics in the town - or what would you cut back on - whilst staying within the law that the Council has to work in?

Funny how you haven't commented on that, or is it because you couldn't do any better?

And yes I do work, work hard for what I get - unlike many on here who expect everything for nothing and expect to get it by doing the most minimum!

I have worked hard and even worked abroad throughout my working life because I believe in bettering myself rather than becoming a whinging lazy old ****!
please print all these threads off and take them to a mental health specialist and ask them for their view on your issues, dont even tell them you are BWF and TRO.......... just ask who they think the mentally unwell person is, once you realise that its you then thats the 1st step sorted...... ACCEPTANCE

its free on benefits so dont worry about the cost............ just go to your local doctors and tell them about the obsession with bolton news and show them all the threads and replies

they will be able to offer guidance on how to sort yourself out and suggest possible medication to stop the dillusions

i worry about you and the people you are around ........
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolton bandit[/bold] wrote: Note to all labour voters..... this is a LABOUR CONTROLED council... This is what you get with totally useless councillors who don't give a hoot about anybody else except their £200_£300+ per session meetings or so I've been told.... There's an election comming up so you know what to do in may vote them out.[/p][/quote]Ok, so where does Bolton Council get the extra money from to support the very basics in the town - or what would you cut back on - whilst staying within the law that the Council has to work in? Funny how you haven't commented on that, or is it because you couldn't do any better? And yes I do work, work hard for what I get - unlike many on here who expect everything for nothing and expect to get it by doing the most minimum! I have worked hard and even worked abroad throughout my working life because I believe in bettering myself rather than becoming a whinging lazy old ****![/p][/quote]please print all these threads off and take them to a mental health specialist and ask them for their view on your issues, dont even tell them you are BWF and TRO.......... just ask who they think the mentally unwell person is, once you realise that its you then thats the 1st step sorted...... ACCEPTANCE its free on benefits so dont worry about the cost............ just go to your local doctors and tell them about the obsession with bolton news and show them all the threads and replies they will be able to offer guidance on how to sort yourself out and suggest possible medication to stop the dillusions i worry about you and the people you are around ........ davidjacobs199

12:18am Thu 20 Feb 14

davidjacobs199 says...

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"£400,000 could be spent improving the pay of Bolton Council’s lowest paid workers"

What about me? or the rest of us that are "low paid workers" so we need to do without further just to help the council’s lowest paid workers get a better wage, we dont get a wage rise or a cost of living rise top up, so why the hell should they!!!!

typical Bolton council buggering the poor workers of this town!
Possibly because they are actually worse off than you!! Many of the low paid workers which work for the council, such as care assistants, lillipop people, street cleaners, gardeners and many administrative positions within teh town hall itself are only on minimum wage and the so-called pay rise they "could" be getting will be to raise the minimum wage to the new legal limit which has been set from April - same with all other minimum wage earners in both the private and public sector!
Oh right "The Righteous One" wake up and smell the coffee!!! you are so out of this world your on mars!!!

so by your logic hitting the poor to help the poor is acceptable to you??

I work 40 Hours a week in a low paid job & cant afford the rent & council tax as it is, as well as many other hard working people who live in this shittt holw of a town, and you think its ok to hit us even further and make us in even woworse financial hardship,

i think you should become a councillor!!!!
No but the legal minimum wage is being increased from April - therefore are you suggesting that Bolton Council then break teh law and keep the low-paid workers on a wage that is illegal? That would mean the the council would then be taken to court fined huge amounts of money which the council doesn't have thus where, then, does it find the money to pay the fines????

Also have you not heard about Working Tax Credits or other benefits which are given by Central Governemt to help people like you in your situation? (that money does NOT come from the Council Tax and as such it is not the poor paying for the poor, as you put it!!!)

I think it is you that ought to wake up - there are many council workers on a minimum wage and by law the Council has to make sure these people do keep up with the minimum wage and if that means having to increase the council tax to raise the pay then so be it - only other option is to make these people redundant, which would cost the council even more as they would have to give them a leaving package, by law, dependent upon how many years service they have given, and then these people would becomes, as you would almost certainly label them, benefit scroungers receiving unemployment benefits and other benefits just to keep alive.
Ok "The Righteous One" i will set this out in simple terms for you, as you clearly dont understand the errors you have just made in what you have put....

1) "No but the legal minimum wage is being increased from April - therefore are you suggesting that Bolton Council then break teh law and keep the low-paid workers on a wage that is illegal" - if they accepted the one million freeze they would have had to dig in to the pot already in place to cover this, so your comment is whats redundant!!!

2) "Also have you not heard about Working Tax Credits or other benefits which are given by Central Governemt to help people like you in your situation" - why dont they in turn claim tax credits if they are on the breadline rather than making the poor pay more out of our own pockets!!!!

3) You are an idiot with no idea on the matter so please do us all a favour with your double standards and keep quiet you pleb!


That is all....
1. So what do you think would have been cut to make the savings required if they had accepted the £1million from the government? Repairs of the roads and bridges? Home care and care assistance? education? closure of another library, grey bins to monthly instead of fortnightly? the choie is yours!

2.Councils are not allowed to claim any tax benefits etc etc etc - are you that simple. As a Government body there are very few streams on gaining money - 1 is by raising it, 2 is from subsidies from Central Government 3. Council tax. As the availability of raiosing revenue is only through parking charges and over zealous parking wardens, I don't think that would go down to well with the people.
2. The subsidies from the government have been frozen for the last 7 years and if there is any money they seem to go to Conservative held councils or any other council that allow conservatie idealsims into the council or if any left over then spread amongst the other labour held councils (i.e. very little if any at all)
3. I am not an idiot nor do i have not an idea - in fact its quite the opposite and see teh reality of what teh council will do, and does do, and wht the Government also does and doesn't do. It is not me with the double stndards but all politicians, but if you cannot see that then more fool you!
@ "The Righteous One" you are a feckiing idiot!!!

you have no idea what the hell you are talking about, please see you -50 comments, because you have no idea what you are thinking/typing, you really are so detatched from reality it actually amazes me!!!

just to summarise on your further oberd comments!!

"So what do you think would have been cut to make the savings required if they had accepted the £1million from the government? Repairs of the roads and bridges? Home care and care assistance? education? closure of another library, grey bins to monthly instead of fortnightly? the choie is yours"

(so basically your saying these services are already fantastic?? i am constantly seeing bridges & roads in a shocking condition, lord help us if they cut any more, as i cant see what they can cut from NOTHING!!!, The elderly & the mentally ill are already cast aside & forgotten so again how can they cut any more?? librarys are now a myth in this town already & Monthly bin collection will be something that the council will already be pondering.... they already have enough council tax and cant manage to run this town correctly, if they have any more money nothing different will happen they will still make a balls up of everything anyway so why should we pay more to fund those people who work for the council etc, they should have to manage & suffer like the rest of us, the poor turn to food banks, pay day loans, loan sharks, stealing to eat, drink/take drugs to forget how **** times can get, so why the hell should they be expected to pay further, the council should make those pay rises out of the pot already and maybe the higher council staff should take a pay cut the robbing basterrds
name calling - the first sign of losing a debate or argument - mainly because you don't have the correct facts and been shown up as such therefore it comes down to childish games!

-50 or-300 I don't give a **** - now if you did your research yuou would see that I am RIGHT. For instance just looking on the correct webpages instead of the inside pages of the Sun or Daily Fail will give you at least 100% more accurate infomration than those scandal rags!


I see you like to try putting words in to my mouth when in fact I have said no such thing.

Do I think those services which you have pointed out are fantastic? No I don't, in fact they are severley underfunded and will be more so after the enxt 3 years but the people in those jobs are doing amazing work with very little money and back-up and they put their life and soul into what they are doing!

The elderly and mentally ill, again underfunded, but the people looking after them are doing a fantastic jio. I have an elderly relative in a nursing home which is outside Bolton but paid for by Bolton Council and she is doing fantastic considering, and just had her 6 monthly review by the social care department - therefore, again, you ought to do your own research before even spouting such nonsense.

As with regards to roads and bridges - only so much can be done, and nothing can be done in the weather we have had recent;y. Yes it could be repaired bu the weather we have had would undo the repairs and make the damage even worse!!!! But the money for that departyment can only go so far!!!!

Libraries do exist and there is a magnificent library in teh centre of town which also holds a museum, art gallery and an aquarium!!!! For 7 years I lived in a city, outside teh UK, which had a state of the art library in 3 areas of teh city but to use the library we had to pay €50/year. Therefore what we have, and for what money is spent on it, is amazing.

YOu then go on rubbishing all that I have said.

Now I ask you........

If you were the Council Leader and you were faced with the amount of cuts that this council has had to endure, and will do so for the next 5 years. What would you cut to keep front line services going, or even expand on what we need, if possible. whilst keeping within the law that Councils have to operate in? Plus would you be able to get tax payer on yourside with the so-called cuts?
its THE

its so simple

3 letters

T - is the first

H - is the second

E - is the third

the other 34 spelling mistakes i will just put down to low intelligence

please tell what is the solicitors you work at.................. as they would be understandably concerned with having a mentally deranged moron working for them................
.. please please please tell us all ............... we all know you are unemployed but the bluff would be a good laugh

is it that new firm that is in manchester, the one that specialises in providing peope that cannot spell, communicate, punctuate and function ????

i think they are called 'Morons are us '......... they are based in 'youdonthaveajob' street in manchester
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thankfully_not_from_ here[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thankfully_not_from_ here[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thankfully_not_from_ here[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thankfully_not_from_ here[/bold] wrote: "£400,000 could be spent improving the pay of Bolton Council’s lowest paid workers" What about me? or the rest of us that are "low paid workers" so we need to do without further just to help the council’s lowest paid workers get a better wage, we dont get a wage rise or a cost of living rise top up, so why the hell should they!!!! typical Bolton council buggering the poor workers of this town![/p][/quote]Possibly because they are actually worse off than you!! Many of the low paid workers which work for the council, such as care assistants, lillipop people, street cleaners, gardeners and many administrative positions within teh town hall itself are only on minimum wage and the so-called pay rise they "could" be getting will be to raise the minimum wage to the new legal limit which has been set from April - same with all other minimum wage earners in both the private and public sector![/p][/quote]Oh right "The Righteous One" wake up and smell the coffee!!! you are so out of this world your on mars!!! so by your logic hitting the poor to help the poor is acceptable to you?? I work 40 Hours a week in a low paid job & cant afford the rent & council tax as it is, as well as many other hard working people who live in this shittt holw of a town, and you think its ok to hit us even further and make us in even woworse financial hardship, i think you should become a councillor!!!![/p][/quote]No but the legal minimum wage is being increased from April - therefore are you suggesting that Bolton Council then break teh law and keep the low-paid workers on a wage that is illegal? That would mean the the council would then be taken to court fined huge amounts of money which the council doesn't have thus where, then, does it find the money to pay the fines???? Also have you not heard about Working Tax Credits or other benefits which are given by Central Governemt to help people like you in your situation? (that money does NOT come from the Council Tax and as such it is not the poor paying for the poor, as you put it!!!) I think it is you that ought to wake up - there are many council workers on a minimum wage and by law the Council has to make sure these people do keep up with the minimum wage and if that means having to increase the council tax to raise the pay then so be it - only other option is to make these people redundant, which would cost the council even more as they would have to give them a leaving package, by law, dependent upon how many years service they have given, and then these people would becomes, as you would almost certainly label them, benefit scroungers receiving unemployment benefits and other benefits just to keep alive.[/p][/quote]Ok "The Righteous One" i will set this out in simple terms for you, as you clearly dont understand the errors you have just made in what you have put.... 1) "No but the legal minimum wage is being increased from April - therefore are you suggesting that Bolton Council then break teh law and keep the low-paid workers on a wage that is illegal" - if they accepted the one million freeze they would have had to dig in to the pot already in place to cover this, so your comment is whats redundant!!! 2) "Also have you not heard about Working Tax Credits or other benefits which are given by Central Governemt to help people like you in your situation" - why dont they in turn claim tax credits if they are on the breadline rather than making the poor pay more out of our own pockets!!!! 3) You are an idiot with no idea on the matter so please do us all a favour with your double standards and keep quiet you pleb! That is all....[/p][/quote]1. So what do you think would have been cut to make the savings required if they had accepted the £1million from the government? Repairs of the roads and bridges? Home care and care assistance? education? closure of another library, grey bins to monthly instead of fortnightly? the choie is yours! 2.Councils are not allowed to claim any tax benefits etc etc etc - are you that simple. As a Government body there are very few streams on gaining money - 1 is by raising it, 2 is from subsidies from Central Government 3. Council tax. As the availability of raiosing revenue is only through parking charges and over zealous parking wardens, I don't think that would go down to well with the people. 2. The subsidies from the government have been frozen for the last 7 years and if there is any money they seem to go to Conservative held councils or any other council that allow conservatie idealsims into the council or if any left over then spread amongst the other labour held councils (i.e. very little if any at all) 3. I am not an idiot nor do i have not an idea - in fact its quite the opposite and see teh reality of what teh council will do, and does do, and wht the Government also does and doesn't do. It is not me with the double stndards but all politicians, but if you cannot see that then more fool you![/p][/quote]@ "The Righteous One" you are a feckiing idiot!!! you have no idea what the hell you are talking about, please see you -50 comments, because you have no idea what you are thinking/typing, you really are so detatched from reality it actually amazes me!!! just to summarise on your further oberd comments!! "So what do you think would have been cut to make the savings required if they had accepted the £1million from the government? Repairs of the roads and bridges? Home care and care assistance? education? closure of another library, grey bins to monthly instead of fortnightly? the choie is yours" (so basically your saying these services are already fantastic?? i am constantly seeing bridges & roads in a shocking condition, lord help us if they cut any more, as i cant see what they can cut from NOTHING!!!, The elderly & the mentally ill are already cast aside & forgotten so again how can they cut any more?? librarys are now a myth in this town already & Monthly bin collection will be something that the council will already be pondering.... they already have enough council tax and cant manage to run this town correctly, if they have any more money nothing different will happen they will still make a balls up of everything anyway so why should we pay more to fund those people who work for the council etc, they should have to manage & suffer like the rest of us, the poor turn to food banks, pay day loans, loan sharks, stealing to eat, drink/take drugs to forget how **** times can get, so why the hell should they be expected to pay further, the council should make those pay rises out of the pot already and maybe the higher council staff should take a pay cut the robbing basterrds[/p][/quote]name calling - the first sign of losing a debate or argument - mainly because you don't have the correct facts and been shown up as such therefore it comes down to childish games! -50 or-300 I don't give a **** - now if you did your research yuou would see that I am RIGHT. For instance just looking on the correct webpages instead of the inside pages of the Sun or Daily Fail will give you at least 100% more accurate infomration than those scandal rags! I see you like to try putting words in to my mouth when in fact I have said no such thing. Do I think those services which you have pointed out are fantastic? No I don't, in fact they are severley underfunded and will be more so after the enxt 3 years but the people in those jobs are doing amazing work with very little money and back-up and they put their life and soul into what they are doing! The elderly and mentally ill, again underfunded, but the people looking after them are doing a fantastic jio. I have an elderly relative in a nursing home which is outside Bolton but paid for by Bolton Council and she is doing fantastic considering, and just had her 6 monthly review by the social care department - therefore, again, you ought to do your own research before even spouting such nonsense. As with regards to roads and bridges - only so much can be done, and nothing can be done in the weather we have had recent;y. Yes it could be repaired bu the weather we have had would undo the repairs and make the damage even worse!!!! But the money for that departyment can only go so far!!!! Libraries do exist and there is a magnificent library in teh centre of town which also holds a museum, art gallery and an aquarium!!!! For 7 years I lived in a city, outside teh UK, which had a state of the art library in 3 areas of teh city but to use the library we had to pay €50/year. Therefore what we have, and for what money is spent on it, is amazing. YOu then go on rubbishing all that I have said. Now I ask you........ If you were the Council Leader and you were faced with the amount of cuts that this council has had to endure, and will do so for the next 5 years. What would you cut to keep front line services going, or even expand on what we need, if possible. whilst keeping within the law that Councils have to operate in? Plus would you be able to get tax payer on yourside with the so-called cuts?[/p][/quote]its THE its so simple 3 letters T - is the first H - is the second E - is the third the other 34 spelling mistakes i will just put down to low intelligence please tell what is the solicitors you work at.................. as they would be understandably concerned with having a mentally deranged moron working for them................ .. please please please tell us all ............... we all know you are unemployed but the bluff would be a good laugh is it that new firm that is in manchester, the one that specialises in providing peope that cannot spell, communicate, punctuate and function ???? i think they are called 'Morons are us '......... they are based in 'youdonthaveajob' street in manchester davidjacobs199

12:47am Thu 20 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

David Jacobs

have you ever heard of not using the quote s that last post is the MOST boring one because of the quote!!!

Also have you not heard of dyslexia, which have and as this website does not have a spellchecker then som mistakes will be made.

Have you not heard that it doesn't matter how one points an opinion forward as this is NOT an exam, nor is it being marked for punctuation or grammar.

therefore you have just wasted value web space for your pathetic rant!

In fact your style of writing reminds me of another poster ho was here last week until the poster suddenly disappeared - possibly due to being banned.

all the.... aand whatever.



Yes I have 2 screen names - one for the works pc at lunch (as it doesn't allow to login with facebook) and one for home!!!!! - if you have a problem with that then that is your problem and no one else's

What do you want for you correcting my mistakes, a gold medal, or pat on the back, or a clap.

You aare paathetic.

and once again you have not once posted on the news report in question - why is that?

Are you that ignorant???

6 posts of pure EVIL abusive comments an NOT ONE of them is about the news report in question!
Looks like you are going to get another ban -wwho are you going to pop up with next time???
David Jacobs have you ever heard of not using the quote s that last post is the MOST boring one because of the quote!!! Also have you not heard of dyslexia, which have and as this website does not have a spellchecker then som mistakes will be made. Have you not heard that it doesn't matter how one points an opinion forward as this is NOT an exam, nor is it being marked for punctuation or grammar. therefore you have just wasted value web space for your pathetic rant! In fact your style of writing reminds me of another poster ho was here last week until the poster suddenly disappeared - possibly due to being banned. all the.... aand whatever. Yes I have 2 screen names - one for the works pc at lunch (as it doesn't allow to login with facebook) and one for home!!!!! - if you have a problem with that then that is your problem and no one else's What do you want for you correcting my mistakes, a gold medal, or pat on the back, or a clap. You aare paathetic. and once again you have not once posted on the news report in question - why is that? Are you that ignorant??? 6 posts of pure EVIL abusive comments an NOT ONE of them is about the news report in question! Looks like you are going to get another ban -wwho are you going to pop up with next time??? BWFC71

12:55am Thu 20 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

DavidJacobs

I refer you to section 12 of the terms and conditions of this website:

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and this bit at the start of the terms and conditions:

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DavidJacobs - you have broken the rules, and as such I have reported you! You have not made any coments about any of the reports that you have commented on and actually signed up and only comments you have made have been abusive comments towards me only - as per your post count number and number of posts I have read which show this is exactly the same. You have registered just to give abuse!
DavidJacobs I refer you to section 12 of the terms and conditions of this website: 12. By publishing or posting material on this website, you warrant to us that: •You have not defamed any individual, corporation organisation or otherwise affected their legal rights. This may include but is not restricted to: comment which cannot be justified; facts which are untrue or unprovable; statements breaching an individual's privacy; statements which may prejudice a court case; images or statements which are obscene, pornographic or illegal; statements which are offensive on grounds of race, religion, creed, colour or which may incite hatred or disrespect in any third party; statements which breach the criminal law, whether or not known to be illegal; statements which may breach professional ethics or standards. and this bit at the start of the terms and conditions: Newsquest website user terms IMPORTANT NOTICE: YOU MUST CAREFULLY READ AND THEN AGREE TO THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS SET OUT BELOW BEFORE ACCESSING AND USING THE SITE. IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO BE BOUND BY THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, YOU MAY NOT ACCESS OR USE THE SITE. Welcome to www.theboltonnews.co .uk (the “Site”), our digital content platform which you may access in several ways, including but not limited to the World Wide Web, digital television, PDA, mobile phone devices, RSS feeds and email. This site is owned and made available by Newsquest Media Group Limited of 58 Church Street, Weybridge, Surrey, KT13 8DP (referred to in these Terms and Conditions as “we” and “us”). The Terms and Conditions form part of an agreement between you, the end-user, and ourselves and sets out the conditions under which you may access the information, products, services and advertisements (the “Material”) available through the Site. By accessing, viewing or using the Material on the Site you have indicated to us that you both understand and agree to be bound by these Terms and Conditions. DavidJacobs - you have broken the rules, and as such I have reported you! You have not made any coments about any of the reports that you have commented on and actually signed up and only comments you have made have been abusive comments towards me only - as per your post count number and number of posts I have read which show this is exactly the same. You have registered just to give abuse! BWFC71

1:04am Thu 20 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

davidjacobs199 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
bolton bandit wrote:
bolton bandit wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
For your information, my profession is legal work in a firm of solicitors in Manchester!
Thats probably why you can afford price rises working either in or as a solicitors.legal rip off merchants like mp's
Excactly legal work
Why are you responding to your own quotes?

Have you forgot to change username?
says they guy who speaks to himself under the names the righteous one and BWFC

truly and utterly pathetic in every way
Neither are used at the same time and one is used during breaks and lunch t work and one is used at home!!!

But there again that is hard to comprehend for a truly ignorant imbecile!

Still no comment on the new report and yet jus complete abusive posts towards one poster - is that the sole reason you signed up just to give me personal abuse?

Do you like mocking people with a disability? There again I bet you do!!
[quote][p][bold]davidjacobs199[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolton bandit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolton bandit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: For your information, my profession is legal work in a firm of solicitors in Manchester![/p][/quote]Thats probably why you can afford price rises working either in or as a solicitors.legal rip off merchants like mp's[/p][/quote]Excactly legal work[/p][/quote]Why are you responding to your own quotes? Have you forgot to change username?[/p][/quote]says they guy who speaks to himself under the names the righteous one and BWFC truly and utterly pathetic in every way[/p][/quote]Neither are used at the same time and one is used during breaks and lunch t work and one is used at home!!! But there again that is hard to comprehend for a truly ignorant imbecile! Still no comment on the new report and yet jus complete abusive posts towards one poster - is that the sole reason you signed up just to give me personal abuse? Do you like mocking people with a disability? There again I bet you do!! BWFC71

1:16am Thu 20 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

David Jacobs is a pathetic individual who a already been banned 3 times and this personal will probably get banned and the person will, no doubt, re-emerge under another screen name - but you can tell it is the same person with the way they write their comments.

By the looks of it this person is either a troll who doesn't live in Bolton, ha no connections with the town and is on the site just to cause trouble, or is a person with massive difficulties in the perception that everyone has different views and if this person doesn't like a vie then this person becomes a stalker and very abusive and ultimately very rude and ignorant and will do anything, including breaking the sites rules, to try to ridicule other posters!!! No matter if they have dyslexia or not!!!

Just ignore them - I have reported every single one of their posts (in fact very single post they have made has been aimed at abusing me!!). Therefore this poster will not be around much longer!
David Jacobs is a pathetic individual who a already been banned 3 times and this personal will probably get banned and the person will, no doubt, re-emerge under another screen name - but you can tell it is the same person with the way they write their comments. By the looks of it this person is either a troll who doesn't live in Bolton, ha no connections with the town and is on the site just to cause trouble, or is a person with massive difficulties in the perception that everyone has different views and if this person doesn't like a vie then this person becomes a stalker and very abusive and ultimately very rude and ignorant and will do anything, including breaking the sites rules, to try to ridicule other posters!!! No matter if they have dyslexia or not!!! Just ignore them - I have reported every single one of their posts (in fact very single post they have made has been aimed at abusing me!!). Therefore this poster will not be around much longer! BWFC71

7:38am Thu 20 Feb 14

gigglebox3 says...

we Bolton residents should be thankful as Bury's council tax is dearer than ours! mind you BuryMBC know how to spend their money better than Bolton! roads, services and the town centre is better than ours!
we Bolton residents should be thankful as Bury's council tax is dearer than ours! mind you BuryMBC know how to spend their money better than Bolton! roads, services and the town centre is better than ours! gigglebox3

10:16am Thu 20 Feb 14

Malcolm Tucker says...

This comment is about the BN Forum/Blog thingy, rather than the story.

The vast majority of people who read the BN online don't leave comments, they just read it. I'd suspect that most are bored senseless with page after page of arguments and so don't read the comments section. I'd guess there are around 50 people who leave comments on a regular basis. These people, by and large, come from a perspective that is quite anti Council/anti Labour, with a good smattering of UKIP/BNP propaganda. Compare the comments section with voting patterns in Bolton then its quite obvious that the commentators are not reflective of the Bolton population. If they were, Labour would have no Councillors.

So that is fact number 1. The commentators do not reflect the population of Bolton at all.

On occasion, there are a couple of lone voices who attempt to have a mature and balanced argument on the individual topic of discussion. There are only a handful of these. One of them is Righteous One/BWFC71. I don't always agree with what he says, but he has the balls to present alternative views and always tries to stick with facts. But the result is that when the minority of commentators dare to stick their head above the parapet, they are shouted down and vilified by the majority, in a manner that is quite clearly akin to bullying. Look at this comments section (there are many others as well) for proof.

Fact 2. The BN forum is not a mature discussion site, and is quite one sided. One would struggle to find any good reason for its existence.

Finally, there is the interesting point of the thumbs up/down system. Without a doubt, this system is manipulated in a way that the BN moderator, Julian Thorpe, has yet to fathom out.
Since last night, the comments from Davidjacobs and Boltonbandit that are directed against Righteous One have received scant attention, barely registering a handful of thumbs. However the comments from Righteous One have received a massive amount of attention. E.g a comment from Righteous One sent at 1.15 this morning gets 85 thumbs down by 9.30. !! Seriously? 85 individuals THAT interested in this argument that they all stay up all night voting thumbs down? These are obviously not genuine votes!
There is a method know as 'link jacking' whereby individuals can access the particular quote only and give it a thumbs down, and there is also a facility whereby one individual can vote multiple times. Is the BN aware of this?

Fact 3. Don't believe the thumbs when you see massive and disproportionate results

I'm fully aware that there are probably a maximum of about 20 people who will read this post, however its right that these points are made.

You people carry on arguing among yourselves all you like, but be aware that hardly anyone is listening and you influence even less. As long as this BN forum is set up in the way that it is, it will remain undemocratic, abusive and will continue to bring what is a decent newspaper into disrepute.

Over to you Julian!
This comment is about the BN Forum/Blog thingy, rather than the story. The vast majority of people who read the BN online don't leave comments, they just read it. I'd suspect that most are bored senseless with page after page of arguments and so don't read the comments section. I'd guess there are around 50 people who leave comments on a regular basis. These people, by and large, come from a perspective that is quite anti Council/anti Labour, with a good smattering of UKIP/BNP propaganda. Compare the comments section with voting patterns in Bolton then its quite obvious that the commentators are not reflective of the Bolton population. If they were, Labour would have no Councillors. So that is fact number 1. The commentators do not reflect the population of Bolton at all. On occasion, there are a couple of lone voices who attempt to have a mature and balanced argument on the individual topic of discussion. There are only a handful of these. One of them is Righteous One/BWFC71. I don't always agree with what he says, but he has the balls to present alternative views and always tries to stick with facts. But the result is that when the minority of commentators dare to stick their head above the parapet, they are shouted down and vilified by the majority, in a manner that is quite clearly akin to bullying. Look at this comments section (there are many others as well) for proof. Fact 2. The BN forum is not a mature discussion site, and is quite one sided. One would struggle to find any good reason for its existence. Finally, there is the interesting point of the thumbs up/down system. Without a doubt, this system is manipulated in a way that the BN moderator, Julian Thorpe, has yet to fathom out. Since last night, the comments from Davidjacobs and Boltonbandit that are directed against Righteous One have received scant attention, barely registering a handful of thumbs. However the comments from Righteous One have received a massive amount of attention. E.g a comment from Righteous One sent at 1.15 this morning gets 85 thumbs down by 9.30. !! Seriously? 85 individuals THAT interested in this argument that they all stay up all night voting thumbs down? These are obviously not genuine votes! There is a method know as 'link jacking' whereby individuals can access the particular quote only and give it a thumbs down, and there is also a facility whereby one individual can vote multiple times. Is the BN aware of this? Fact 3. Don't believe the thumbs when you see massive and disproportionate results I'm fully aware that there are probably a maximum of about 20 people who will read this post, however its right that these points are made. You people carry on arguing among yourselves all you like, but be aware that hardly anyone is listening and you influence even less. As long as this BN forum is set up in the way that it is, it will remain undemocratic, abusive and will continue to bring what is a decent newspaper into disrepute. Over to you Julian! Malcolm Tucker

11:30am Thu 20 Feb 14

holloway_david says...

Malcolm Tucker wrote:
This comment is about the BN Forum/Blog thingy, rather than the story.

The vast majority of people who read the BN online don't leave comments, they just read it. I'd suspect that most are bored senseless with page after page of arguments and so don't read the comments section. I'd guess there are around 50 people who leave comments on a regular basis. These people, by and large, come from a perspective that is quite anti Council/anti Labour, with a good smattering of UKIP/BNP propaganda. Compare the comments section with voting patterns in Bolton then its quite obvious that the commentators are not reflective of the Bolton population. If they were, Labour would have no Councillors.

So that is fact number 1. The commentators do not reflect the population of Bolton at all.

On occasion, there are a couple of lone voices who attempt to have a mature and balanced argument on the individual topic of discussion. There are only a handful of these. One of them is Righteous One/BWFC71. I don't always agree with what he says, but he has the balls to present alternative views and always tries to stick with facts. But the result is that when the minority of commentators dare to stick their head above the parapet, they are shouted down and vilified by the majority, in a manner that is quite clearly akin to bullying. Look at this comments section (there are many others as well) for proof.

Fact 2. The BN forum is not a mature discussion site, and is quite one sided. One would struggle to find any good reason for its existence.

Finally, there is the interesting point of the thumbs up/down system. Without a doubt, this system is manipulated in a way that the BN moderator, Julian Thorpe, has yet to fathom out.
Since last night, the comments from Davidjacobs and Boltonbandit that are directed against Righteous One have received scant attention, barely registering a handful of thumbs. However the comments from Righteous One have received a massive amount of attention. E.g a comment from Righteous One sent at 1.15 this morning gets 85 thumbs down by 9.30. !! Seriously? 85 individuals THAT interested in this argument that they all stay up all night voting thumbs down? These are obviously not genuine votes!
There is a method know as 'link jacking' whereby individuals can access the particular quote only and give it a thumbs down, and there is also a facility whereby one individual can vote multiple times. Is the BN aware of this?

Fact 3. Don't believe the thumbs when you see massive and disproportionate results

I'm fully aware that there are probably a maximum of about 20 people who will read this post, however its right that these points are made.

You people carry on arguing among yourselves all you like, but be aware that hardly anyone is listening and you influence even less. As long as this BN forum is set up in the way that it is, it will remain undemocratic, abusive and will continue to bring what is a decent newspaper into disrepute.

Over to you Julian!
Sorry! what did you say, on second thoughts don,t bother
[quote][p][bold]Malcolm Tucker[/bold] wrote: This comment is about the BN Forum/Blog thingy, rather than the story. The vast majority of people who read the BN online don't leave comments, they just read it. I'd suspect that most are bored senseless with page after page of arguments and so don't read the comments section. I'd guess there are around 50 people who leave comments on a regular basis. These people, by and large, come from a perspective that is quite anti Council/anti Labour, with a good smattering of UKIP/BNP propaganda. Compare the comments section with voting patterns in Bolton then its quite obvious that the commentators are not reflective of the Bolton population. If they were, Labour would have no Councillors. So that is fact number 1. The commentators do not reflect the population of Bolton at all. On occasion, there are a couple of lone voices who attempt to have a mature and balanced argument on the individual topic of discussion. There are only a handful of these. One of them is Righteous One/BWFC71. I don't always agree with what he says, but he has the balls to present alternative views and always tries to stick with facts. But the result is that when the minority of commentators dare to stick their head above the parapet, they are shouted down and vilified by the majority, in a manner that is quite clearly akin to bullying. Look at this comments section (there are many others as well) for proof. Fact 2. The BN forum is not a mature discussion site, and is quite one sided. One would struggle to find any good reason for its existence. Finally, there is the interesting point of the thumbs up/down system. Without a doubt, this system is manipulated in a way that the BN moderator, Julian Thorpe, has yet to fathom out. Since last night, the comments from Davidjacobs and Boltonbandit that are directed against Righteous One have received scant attention, barely registering a handful of thumbs. However the comments from Righteous One have received a massive amount of attention. E.g a comment from Righteous One sent at 1.15 this morning gets 85 thumbs down by 9.30. !! Seriously? 85 individuals THAT interested in this argument that they all stay up all night voting thumbs down? These are obviously not genuine votes! There is a method know as 'link jacking' whereby individuals can access the particular quote only and give it a thumbs down, and there is also a facility whereby one individual can vote multiple times. Is the BN aware of this? Fact 3. Don't believe the thumbs when you see massive and disproportionate results I'm fully aware that there are probably a maximum of about 20 people who will read this post, however its right that these points are made. You people carry on arguing among yourselves all you like, but be aware that hardly anyone is listening and you influence even less. As long as this BN forum is set up in the way that it is, it will remain undemocratic, abusive and will continue to bring what is a decent newspaper into disrepute. Over to you Julian![/p][/quote]Sorry! what did you say, on second thoughts don,t bother holloway_david

12:38pm Thu 20 Feb 14

The Righteous One says...

Malcolm Tucker wrote:
This comment is about the BN Forum/Blog thingy, rather than the story.

The vast majority of people who read the BN online don't leave comments, they just read it. I'd suspect that most are bored senseless with page after page of arguments and so don't read the comments section. I'd guess there are around 50 people who leave comments on a regular basis. These people, by and large, come from a perspective that is quite anti Council/anti Labour, with a good smattering of UKIP/BNP propaganda. Compare the comments section with voting patterns in Bolton then its quite obvious that the commentators are not reflective of the Bolton population. If they were, Labour would have no Councillors.

So that is fact number 1. The commentators do not reflect the population of Bolton at all.

On occasion, there are a couple of lone voices who attempt to have a mature and balanced argument on the individual topic of discussion. There are only a handful of these. One of them is Righteous One/BWFC71. I don't always agree with what he says, but he has the balls to present alternative views and always tries to stick with facts. But the result is that when the minority of commentators dare to stick their head above the parapet, they are shouted down and vilified by the majority, in a manner that is quite clearly akin to bullying. Look at this comments section (there are many others as well) for proof.

Fact 2. The BN forum is not a mature discussion site, and is quite one sided. One would struggle to find any good reason for its existence.

Finally, there is the interesting point of the thumbs up/down system. Without a doubt, this system is manipulated in a way that the BN moderator, Julian Thorpe, has yet to fathom out.
Since last night, the comments from Davidjacobs and Boltonbandit that are directed against Righteous One have received scant attention, barely registering a handful of thumbs. However the comments from Righteous One have received a massive amount of attention. E.g a comment from Righteous One sent at 1.15 this morning gets 85 thumbs down by 9.30. !! Seriously? 85 individuals THAT interested in this argument that they all stay up all night voting thumbs down? These are obviously not genuine votes!
There is a method know as 'link jacking' whereby individuals can access the particular quote only and give it a thumbs down, and there is also a facility whereby one individual can vote multiple times. Is the BN aware of this?

Fact 3. Don't believe the thumbs when you see massive and disproportionate results

I'm fully aware that there are probably a maximum of about 20 people who will read this post, however its right that these points are made.

You people carry on arguing among yourselves all you like, but be aware that hardly anyone is listening and you influence even less. As long as this BN forum is set up in the way that it is, it will remain undemocratic, abusive and will continue to bring what is a decent newspaper into disrepute.

Over to you Julian!
Malcolm,

I too sometimes do not agree with some of the things you contribute but that whats makes dicussion - individuality.

But that was a well presented comment and one in which I totally agree with.

BWFC71/TRO
[quote][p][bold]Malcolm Tucker[/bold] wrote: This comment is about the BN Forum/Blog thingy, rather than the story. The vast majority of people who read the BN online don't leave comments, they just read it. I'd suspect that most are bored senseless with page after page of arguments and so don't read the comments section. I'd guess there are around 50 people who leave comments on a regular basis. These people, by and large, come from a perspective that is quite anti Council/anti Labour, with a good smattering of UKIP/BNP propaganda. Compare the comments section with voting patterns in Bolton then its quite obvious that the commentators are not reflective of the Bolton population. If they were, Labour would have no Councillors. So that is fact number 1. The commentators do not reflect the population of Bolton at all. On occasion, there are a couple of lone voices who attempt to have a mature and balanced argument on the individual topic of discussion. There are only a handful of these. One of them is Righteous One/BWFC71. I don't always agree with what he says, but he has the balls to present alternative views and always tries to stick with facts. But the result is that when the minority of commentators dare to stick their head above the parapet, they are shouted down and vilified by the majority, in a manner that is quite clearly akin to bullying. Look at this comments section (there are many others as well) for proof. Fact 2. The BN forum is not a mature discussion site, and is quite one sided. One would struggle to find any good reason for its existence. Finally, there is the interesting point of the thumbs up/down system. Without a doubt, this system is manipulated in a way that the BN moderator, Julian Thorpe, has yet to fathom out. Since last night, the comments from Davidjacobs and Boltonbandit that are directed against Righteous One have received scant attention, barely registering a handful of thumbs. However the comments from Righteous One have received a massive amount of attention. E.g a comment from Righteous One sent at 1.15 this morning gets 85 thumbs down by 9.30. !! Seriously? 85 individuals THAT interested in this argument that they all stay up all night voting thumbs down? These are obviously not genuine votes! There is a method know as 'link jacking' whereby individuals can access the particular quote only and give it a thumbs down, and there is also a facility whereby one individual can vote multiple times. Is the BN aware of this? Fact 3. Don't believe the thumbs when you see massive and disproportionate results I'm fully aware that there are probably a maximum of about 20 people who will read this post, however its right that these points are made. You people carry on arguing among yourselves all you like, but be aware that hardly anyone is listening and you influence even less. As long as this BN forum is set up in the way that it is, it will remain undemocratic, abusive and will continue to bring what is a decent newspaper into disrepute. Over to you Julian![/p][/quote]Malcolm, I too sometimes do not agree with some of the things you contribute but that whats makes dicussion - individuality. But that was a well presented comment and one in which I totally agree with. BWFC71/TRO The Righteous One

4:39pm Thu 20 Feb 14

The Righteous One says...

one last comment about the thumbs........


I cannoy believe how popular I actually am!!! over -100 (which means more than 100 hits/views on every single one of my posts) - more popular than the person trying to belittle me!!!!!!

Thank you all so much - you have made my day!
one last comment about the thumbs........ I cannoy believe how popular I actually am!!! over -100 (which means more than 100 hits/views on every single one of my posts) - more popular than the person trying to belittle me!!!!!! Thank you all so much - you have made my day! The Righteous One

8:50am Fri 21 Feb 14

The Righteous One says...

As Malcom Tucker and quite a few others are saying- you have been found out as a sad lonely individual with nothing better to do with a huge chip on your shoulder and a vendetta against one poster.

Your campaign is not winning anyone over, in fact it is getting people to go against you and, effectively, I am winning more and more support because of your childish games.

Even Malcolm Tucker has advised the internet editor as to what is happening and the proposed solutions.

Fact is, now, I appreciate all the thumbs because it means my commnets are getting the hits which means bad publicity is actually good publicity and I am getting the attention which you crave.

If you really wanted to rile me then you ought have done nothing with my posts and give yourself as many thumbs up as possible!!!! Sad that you actually didn't think of that!
As Malcom Tucker and quite a few others are saying- you have been found out as a sad lonely individual with nothing better to do with a huge chip on your shoulder and a vendetta against one poster. Your campaign is not winning anyone over, in fact it is getting people to go against you and, effectively, I am winning more and more support because of your childish games. Even Malcolm Tucker has advised the internet editor as to what is happening and the proposed solutions. Fact is, now, I appreciate all the thumbs because it means my commnets are getting the hits which means bad publicity is actually good publicity and I am getting the attention which you crave. If you really wanted to rile me then you ought have done nothing with my posts and give yourself as many thumbs up as possible!!!! Sad that you actually didn't think of that! The Righteous One

1:00pm Fri 21 Feb 14

graham26 says...

Changing times wrote:
Quite honestly if this rise in council tax goes ahead Morris and all the the other so called Cllrs should be struck off . To increase the already heavy tax burden on Bolton people is a disgrace ..... More efficiencies not taxes !
Mr Morris, this is the man who made a mess of the hospital and is allowed to dirve Bolton town centre into the ground, he should be held accountable, run a council, he cannot run a bath unsupervised.
[quote][p][bold]Changing times[/bold] wrote: Quite honestly if this rise in council tax goes ahead Morris and all the the other so called Cllrs should be struck off . To increase the already heavy tax burden on Bolton people is a disgrace ..... More efficiencies not taxes ![/p][/quote]Mr Morris, this is the man who made a mess of the hospital and is allowed to dirve Bolton town centre into the ground, he should be held accountable, run a council, he cannot run a bath unsupervised. graham26

11:49pm Fri 21 Feb 14

holloway_david says...

The Righteous One wrote:
You say that teh council already has enough money from teh council tax!

Does it?

The price of goods and services provided by the private sector, which the council has to use is increasing year on year - so where do they get the money for that?

The porice of materials to repair the roads etc etc etc goes up year on year - so where do they get the money for that?

Minimum wage goes up yearly, so where does the money for that come from?

Franchsing out departments, which the Council has to do by law, copsts money to run and that costs increases year on year - so where do they get the oney for that?

Cost of looking after more and more elderly increases, so does the cost of equipment - where do they get the money for that?

The cost of ebnergy and fuel has gone up year on year, and still doing so - where does the money come from to keep paying for it?

Ther list goes on and on and on - again where does the council get the money from if they don't put up the Council Tax? £1million goes very quickly nowadays.

Just look where £100 pound goes nowadays, compared to 5 years ago!!! That what teh Council has to budget, just like every household does. ANd if that means having to rise a tax to help fund teh basics, then so be it, otherwise the front line swervices will fall further and further behind of what is expected.
I am a pensioner who pays full council tax and am taxed on my pension.

Your comment would only be fair if you stated where do I get extra funding from . In essence you seem to be suggesting the council is poorer than the individual and by the way every person in Bolton has had extra costs to their living including you.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: You say that teh council already has enough money from teh council tax! Does it? The price of goods and services provided by the private sector, which the council has to use is increasing year on year - so where do they get the money for that? The porice of materials to repair the roads etc etc etc goes up year on year - so where do they get the money for that? Minimum wage goes up yearly, so where does the money for that come from? Franchsing out departments, which the Council has to do by law, copsts money to run and that costs increases year on year - so where do they get the oney for that? Cost of looking after more and more elderly increases, so does the cost of equipment - where do they get the money for that? The cost of ebnergy and fuel has gone up year on year, and still doing so - where does the money come from to keep paying for it? Ther list goes on and on and on - again where does the council get the money from if they don't put up the Council Tax? £1million goes very quickly nowadays. Just look where £100 pound goes nowadays, compared to 5 years ago!!! That what teh Council has to budget, just like every household does. ANd if that means having to rise a tax to help fund teh basics, then so be it, otherwise the front line swervices will fall further and further behind of what is expected.[/p][/quote]I am a pensioner who pays full council tax and am taxed on my pension. Your comment would only be fair if you stated where do I get extra funding from . In essence you seem to be suggesting the council is poorer than the individual and by the way every person in Bolton has had extra costs to their living including you. holloway_david

11:12am Sat 22 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

holloway_david wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
You say that teh council already has enough money from teh council tax!

Does it?

The price of goods and services provided by the private sector, which the council has to use is increasing year on year - so where do they get the money for that?

The porice of materials to repair the roads etc etc etc goes up year on year - so where do they get the money for that?

Minimum wage goes up yearly, so where does the money for that come from?

Franchsing out departments, which the Council has to do by law, copsts money to run and that costs increases year on year - so where do they get the oney for that?

Cost of looking after more and more elderly increases, so does the cost of equipment - where do they get the money for that?

The cost of ebnergy and fuel has gone up year on year, and still doing so - where does the money come from to keep paying for it?

Ther list goes on and on and on - again where does the council get the money from if they don't put up the Council Tax? £1million goes very quickly nowadays.

Just look where £100 pound goes nowadays, compared to 5 years ago!!! That what teh Council has to budget, just like every household does. ANd if that means having to rise a tax to help fund teh basics, then so be it, otherwise the front line swervices will fall further and further behind of what is expected.
I am a pensioner who pays full council tax and am taxed on my pension.

Your comment would only be fair if you stated where do I get extra funding from . In essence you seem to be suggesting the council is poorer than the individual and by the way every person in Bolton has had extra costs to their living including you.
So what do you want the council to do?

The staff haven't had a payrise for 6 to 7 years and in real terms have had over 15% pay-cut!!!

Front line services have been cut to the bone.

Thousands of council staff have lost their jobs (some which were wasteful anyway and some which are needed)

Running costs, which are out of the Councils hands, are continuing to increase.

Therefore what else can the Council do?

They could accept the £1million but then still make cuts left right and centre and deep cuts which will hinder front line services, or raise the Council Tax, which will create over £6million extra, to try to minimise the amount of cuts to keep the town going?

The choice is yours!
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: You say that teh council already has enough money from teh council tax! Does it? The price of goods and services provided by the private sector, which the council has to use is increasing year on year - so where do they get the money for that? The porice of materials to repair the roads etc etc etc goes up year on year - so where do they get the money for that? Minimum wage goes up yearly, so where does the money for that come from? Franchsing out departments, which the Council has to do by law, copsts money to run and that costs increases year on year - so where do they get the oney for that? Cost of looking after more and more elderly increases, so does the cost of equipment - where do they get the money for that? The cost of ebnergy and fuel has gone up year on year, and still doing so - where does the money come from to keep paying for it? Ther list goes on and on and on - again where does the council get the money from if they don't put up the Council Tax? £1million goes very quickly nowadays. Just look where £100 pound goes nowadays, compared to 5 years ago!!! That what teh Council has to budget, just like every household does. ANd if that means having to rise a tax to help fund teh basics, then so be it, otherwise the front line swervices will fall further and further behind of what is expected.[/p][/quote]I am a pensioner who pays full council tax and am taxed on my pension. Your comment would only be fair if you stated where do I get extra funding from . In essence you seem to be suggesting the council is poorer than the individual and by the way every person in Bolton has had extra costs to their living including you.[/p][/quote]So what do you want the council to do? The staff haven't had a payrise for 6 to 7 years and in real terms have had over 15% pay-cut!!! Front line services have been cut to the bone. Thousands of council staff have lost their jobs (some which were wasteful anyway and some which are needed) Running costs, which are out of the Councils hands, are continuing to increase. Therefore what else can the Council do? They could accept the £1million but then still make cuts left right and centre and deep cuts which will hinder front line services, or raise the Council Tax, which will create over £6million extra, to try to minimise the amount of cuts to keep the town going? The choice is yours! BWFC71

3:24pm Sat 22 Feb 14

holloway_david says...

holloway_david wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
You say that teh council already has enough money from teh council tax!

Does it?

The price of goods and services provided by the private sector, which the council has to use is increasing year on year - so where do they get the money for that?

The porice of materials to repair the roads etc etc etc goes up year on year - so where do they get the money for that?

Minimum wage goes up yearly, so where does the money for that come from?

Franchsing out departments, which the Council has to do by law, copsts money to run and that costs increases year on year - so where do they get the oney for that?

Cost of looking after more and more elderly increases, so does the cost of equipment - where do they get the money for that?

The cost of ebnergy and fuel has gone up year on year, and still doing so - where does the money come from to keep paying for it?

Ther list goes on and on and on - again where does the council get the money from if they don't put up the Council Tax? £1million goes very quickly nowadays.

Just look where £100 pound goes nowadays, compared to 5 years ago!!! That what teh Council has to budget, just like every household does. ANd if that means having to rise a tax to help fund teh basics, then so be it, otherwise the front line swervices will fall further and further behind of what is expected.
I am a pensioner who pays full council tax and am taxed on my pension.

Your comment would only be fair if you stated where do I get extra funding from . In essence you seem to be suggesting the council is poorer than the individual and by the way every person in Bolton has had extra costs to their living including you.
To the Righteous One -- You seem to forget everyone except what the council needs. To answer your question though, I want the council to freeze the tax.
In part quotation of yourself " where does the money come from" in this instance to pay any increase; you do not know other peoples circumstances and on that basis you talk a very foolish language.
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: You say that teh council already has enough money from teh council tax! Does it? The price of goods and services provided by the private sector, which the council has to use is increasing year on year - so where do they get the money for that? The porice of materials to repair the roads etc etc etc goes up year on year - so where do they get the money for that? Minimum wage goes up yearly, so where does the money for that come from? Franchsing out departments, which the Council has to do by law, copsts money to run and that costs increases year on year - so where do they get the oney for that? Cost of looking after more and more elderly increases, so does the cost of equipment - where do they get the money for that? The cost of ebnergy and fuel has gone up year on year, and still doing so - where does the money come from to keep paying for it? Ther list goes on and on and on - again where does the council get the money from if they don't put up the Council Tax? £1million goes very quickly nowadays. Just look where £100 pound goes nowadays, compared to 5 years ago!!! That what teh Council has to budget, just like every household does. ANd if that means having to rise a tax to help fund teh basics, then so be it, otherwise the front line swervices will fall further and further behind of what is expected.[/p][/quote]I am a pensioner who pays full council tax and am taxed on my pension. Your comment would only be fair if you stated where do I get extra funding from . In essence you seem to be suggesting the council is poorer than the individual and by the way every person in Bolton has had extra costs to their living including you.[/p][/quote]To the Righteous One -- You seem to forget everyone except what the council needs. To answer your question though, I want the council to freeze the tax. In part quotation of yourself " where does the money come from" in this instance to pay any increase; you do not know other peoples circumstances and on that basis you talk a very foolish language. holloway_david

3:38pm Sat 22 Feb 14

holloway_david says...

BWFC71 wrote:
holloway_david wrote:
Reference the proposed council tax rise. I am a pensioner who does not receive benefits and i pay full council tax and am taxed on my pension. I would like to know from Cliff Morris and the predominant Labour councillors where will I get extra funding to pay for this rise --- is it from" Wonga" "Quickquid" who would they like to suggest?
Maybe the Government can help by giving me a share of the £1million that could be given to BC if they froze Council Tax!
I would suggest Councillor Morris that the general voting public will remember this in the next council elections and that we are not an open Bank to put sticky fingers in.
Funnily enough wasn't it announced in the more recent budget that the pension was getting a more than inflation rise in the pension (which is actually more than what the Council is putting on the Council Tax) and it is increasing yet again, in April, and that for the next 6-7 years the pension will be going up by rate of inflation or even higher!!!


Therefore pensioners are raking it in and actually be better off, even with the hike in the Council Tax - how you spend your money is another matter, though!
That is Gross and not net . I would prefer to pay less tax, then and only then can you talk real terms which obviously you have no knowledge of.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: Reference the proposed council tax rise. I am a pensioner who does not receive benefits and i pay full council tax and am taxed on my pension. I would like to know from Cliff Morris and the predominant Labour councillors where will I get extra funding to pay for this rise --- is it from" Wonga" "Quickquid" who would they like to suggest? Maybe the Government can help by giving me a share of the £1million that could be given to BC if they froze Council Tax! I would suggest Councillor Morris that the general voting public will remember this in the next council elections and that we are not an open Bank to put sticky fingers in.[/p][/quote]Funnily enough wasn't it announced in the more recent budget that the pension was getting a more than inflation rise in the pension (which is actually more than what the Council is putting on the Council Tax) and it is increasing yet again, in April, and that for the next 6-7 years the pension will be going up by rate of inflation or even higher!!! Therefore pensioners are raking it in and actually be better off, even with the hike in the Council Tax - how you spend your money is another matter, though![/p][/quote]That is Gross and not net . I would prefer to pay less tax, then and only then can you talk real terms which obviously you have no knowledge of. holloway_david

7:44pm Sat 22 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

holloway_david wrote:
holloway_david wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
You say that teh council already has enough money from teh council tax!

Does it?

The price of goods and services provided by the private sector, which the council has to use is increasing year on year - so where do they get the money for that?

The porice of materials to repair the roads etc etc etc goes up year on year - so where do they get the money for that?

Minimum wage goes up yearly, so where does the money for that come from?

Franchsing out departments, which the Council has to do by law, copsts money to run and that costs increases year on year - so where do they get the oney for that?

Cost of looking after more and more elderly increases, so does the cost of equipment - where do they get the money for that?

The cost of ebnergy and fuel has gone up year on year, and still doing so - where does the money come from to keep paying for it?

Ther list goes on and on and on - again where does the council get the money from if they don't put up the Council Tax? £1million goes very quickly nowadays.

Just look where £100 pound goes nowadays, compared to 5 years ago!!! That what teh Council has to budget, just like every household does. ANd if that means having to rise a tax to help fund teh basics, then so be it, otherwise the front line swervices will fall further and further behind of what is expected.
I am a pensioner who pays full council tax and am taxed on my pension.

Your comment would only be fair if you stated where do I get extra funding from . In essence you seem to be suggesting the council is poorer than the individual and by the way every person in Bolton has had extra costs to their living including you.
To the Righteous One -- You seem to forget everyone except what the council needs. To answer your question though, I want the council to freeze the tax.
In part quotation of yourself " where does the money come from" in this instance to pay any increase; you do not know other peoples circumstances and on that basis you talk a very foolish language.
I ay be talking in generalisation but so are you!

IF the council accepts the £1million sweetener how many people will lose their jobs? How many road will not get fixed? How many schools will have to close and class sizes get even bigger in the ones that stay open? How many more care homes will have to close, how many care workers will have to be made redundant *they are NOT NHS staff but council workers)?

How much has the energy prices risen by in the last 12 months, and then what about fuel, water rent, business tax (yes even the council has to pay business tax as it is generated by Central Government and NOT the council) then, of course, the annual rise in the minimum wage. What is the upkeep of keeping traffic lights working working and other street furniture.

Detroit did what you want to happen and look what happened to that city and how much more desperate the citizens are and how much more money they have to pay in taxes just to try to get it out of bankruptcy with NOTHING to show for it!

Jus where do you think they can find the money for all of the above - £1million I very little compared to what they actually spend and need to keep the town going at the most basic level!
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: You say that teh council already has enough money from teh council tax! Does it? The price of goods and services provided by the private sector, which the council has to use is increasing year on year - so where do they get the money for that? The porice of materials to repair the roads etc etc etc goes up year on year - so where do they get the money for that? Minimum wage goes up yearly, so where does the money for that come from? Franchsing out departments, which the Council has to do by law, copsts money to run and that costs increases year on year - so where do they get the oney for that? Cost of looking after more and more elderly increases, so does the cost of equipment - where do they get the money for that? The cost of ebnergy and fuel has gone up year on year, and still doing so - where does the money come from to keep paying for it? Ther list goes on and on and on - again where does the council get the money from if they don't put up the Council Tax? £1million goes very quickly nowadays. Just look where £100 pound goes nowadays, compared to 5 years ago!!! That what teh Council has to budget, just like every household does. ANd if that means having to rise a tax to help fund teh basics, then so be it, otherwise the front line swervices will fall further and further behind of what is expected.[/p][/quote]I am a pensioner who pays full council tax and am taxed on my pension. Your comment would only be fair if you stated where do I get extra funding from . In essence you seem to be suggesting the council is poorer than the individual and by the way every person in Bolton has had extra costs to their living including you.[/p][/quote]To the Righteous One -- You seem to forget everyone except what the council needs. To answer your question though, I want the council to freeze the tax. In part quotation of yourself " where does the money come from" in this instance to pay any increase; you do not know other peoples circumstances and on that basis you talk a very foolish language.[/p][/quote]I ay be talking in generalisation but so are you! IF the council accepts the £1million sweetener how many people will lose their jobs? How many road will not get fixed? How many schools will have to close and class sizes get even bigger in the ones that stay open? How many more care homes will have to close, how many care workers will have to be made redundant *they are NOT NHS staff but council workers)? How much has the energy prices risen by in the last 12 months, and then what about fuel, water rent, business tax (yes even the council has to pay business tax as it is generated by Central Government and NOT the council) then, of course, the annual rise in the minimum wage. What is the upkeep of keeping traffic lights working working and other street furniture. Detroit did what you want to happen and look what happened to that city and how much more desperate the citizens are and how much more money they have to pay in taxes just to try to get it out of bankruptcy with NOTHING to show for it! Jus where do you think they can find the money for all of the above - £1million I very little compared to what they actually spend and need to keep the town going at the most basic level! BWFC71

11:21pm Sat 22 Feb 14

holloway_david says...

The Righteous One wrote:
one last comment about the thumbs........


I cannoy believe how popular I actually am!!! over -100 (which means more than 100 hits/views on every single one of my posts) - more popular than the person trying to belittle me!!!!!!

Thank you all so much - you have made my day!
Self Righteous probably and maybe arrogant; there you are to prove your point---- 101
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: one last comment about the thumbs........ I cannoy believe how popular I actually am!!! over -100 (which means more than 100 hits/views on every single one of my posts) - more popular than the person trying to belittle me!!!!!! Thank you all so much - you have made my day![/p][/quote]Self Righteous probably and maybe arrogant; there you are to prove your point---- 101 holloway_david

11:46pm Sat 22 Feb 14

holloway_david says...

The Righteous One wrote:
one last comment about the thumbs........


I cannoy believe how popular I actually am!!! over -100 (which means more than 100 hits/views on every single one of my posts) - more popular than the person trying to belittle me!!!!!!

Thank you all so much - you have made my day!
Self Righteous probably and maybe arrogant; there you are to prove your point---- 101 plus
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: one last comment about the thumbs........ I cannoy believe how popular I actually am!!! over -100 (which means more than 100 hits/views on every single one of my posts) - more popular than the person trying to belittle me!!!!!! Thank you all so much - you have made my day![/p][/quote]Self Righteous probably and maybe arrogant; there you are to prove your point---- 101 plus holloway_david

5:10pm Sun 23 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

holloway_david wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
one last comment about the thumbs........


I cannoy believe how popular I actually am!!! over -100 (which means more than 100 hits/views on every single one of my posts) - more popular than the person trying to belittle me!!!!!!

Thank you all so much - you have made my day!
Self Righteous probably and maybe arrogant; there you are to prove your point---- 101 plus
Sorry but its only 99!
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: one last comment about the thumbs........ I cannoy believe how popular I actually am!!! over -100 (which means more than 100 hits/views on every single one of my posts) - more popular than the person trying to belittle me!!!!!! Thank you all so much - you have made my day![/p][/quote]Self Righteous probably and maybe arrogant; there you are to prove your point---- 101 plus[/p][/quote]Sorry but its only 99! BWFC71

7:21pm Sun 23 Feb 14

sallyupsteps says...

Lee3695 wrote:
Brumas wrote:
For all the previous commenter's that are complaining about the Council tax that looks set to rise for householders in Bolton and think it is unjustified. Just think of the residents of Blackrod, Horwich and Westhoughton who have to pay a precept on top of whatever Bolton pay for Council Tax (£34+ in my case) which will also have a % increase imposed on it. For Town Council's that are totally ineffectual. Let's do away with Town Councils and SAVE the residents of the above mentioned Townships some money.
This is an interesting point. it would be beneficial to see how much it costs to run these councils and what they actually deliver. I may be wrong, but as far as i am aware, all planning decisions made by the town councils are merely taken into consideration by Bolton Council, but do not form the basis of a planning decision. Highways, waste, environment and other services are all provided by Bolton Council. The town councils are represented like any other area of Bolton, by ward councilors on various committees in Bolton Council. Surely if cuts are required, the council should look at the role of town councils first and whether they are actually needed or not?
The council does not provide the services you quoted, they are outsourced
[quote][p][bold]Lee3695[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brumas[/bold] wrote: For all the previous commenter's that are complaining about the Council tax that looks set to rise for householders in Bolton and think it is unjustified. Just think of the residents of Blackrod, Horwich and Westhoughton who have to pay a precept on top of whatever Bolton pay for Council Tax (£34+ in my case) which will also have a % increase imposed on it. For Town Council's that are totally ineffectual. Let's do away with Town Councils and SAVE the residents of the above mentioned Townships some money.[/p][/quote]This is an interesting point. it would be beneficial to see how much it costs to run these councils and what they actually deliver. I may be wrong, but as far as i am aware, all planning decisions made by the town councils are merely taken into consideration by Bolton Council, but do not form the basis of a planning decision. Highways, waste, environment and other services are all provided by Bolton Council. The town councils are represented like any other area of Bolton, by ward councilors on various committees in Bolton Council. Surely if cuts are required, the council should look at the role of town councils first and whether they are actually needed or not?[/p][/quote]The council does not provide the services you quoted, they are outsourced sallyupsteps

8:34pm Sun 23 Feb 14

holloway_david says...

BWFC71 wrote:
holloway_david wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
one last comment about the thumbs........


I cannoy believe how popular I actually am!!! over -100 (which means more than 100 hits/views on every single one of my posts) - more popular than the person trying to belittle me!!!!!!

Thank you all so much - you have made my day!
Self Righteous probably and maybe arrogant; there you are to prove your point---- 101 plus
Sorry but its only 99!
its not is it! well, well, well
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: one last comment about the thumbs........ I cannoy believe how popular I actually am!!! over -100 (which means more than 100 hits/views on every single one of my posts) - more popular than the person trying to belittle me!!!!!! Thank you all so much - you have made my day![/p][/quote]Self Righteous probably and maybe arrogant; there you are to prove your point---- 101 plus[/p][/quote]Sorry but its only 99![/p][/quote]its not is it! well, well, well holloway_david

8:54pm Sun 23 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

sallyupsteps wrote:
Lee3695 wrote:
Brumas wrote:
For all the previous commenter's that are complaining about the Council tax that looks set to rise for householders in Bolton and think it is unjustified. Just think of the residents of Blackrod, Horwich and Westhoughton who have to pay a precept on top of whatever Bolton pay for Council Tax (£34+ in my case) which will also have a % increase imposed on it. For Town Council's that are totally ineffectual. Let's do away with Town Councils and SAVE the residents of the above mentioned Townships some money.
This is an interesting point. it would be beneficial to see how much it costs to run these councils and what they actually deliver. I may be wrong, but as far as i am aware, all planning decisions made by the town councils are merely taken into consideration by Bolton Council, but do not form the basis of a planning decision. Highways, waste, environment and other services are all provided by Bolton Council. The town councils are represented like any other area of Bolton, by ward councilors on various committees in Bolton Council. Surely if cuts are required, the council should look at the role of town councils first and whether they are actually needed or not?
The council does not provide the services you quoted, they are outsourced
Outsourced but still have to pay them. Just because they are outsourced does not mean that Bolton Council has no control! Contracts are made between the 3rd Party and the Council as to the costs etc etc etc etc which is reviewed on a yearly basis! All companies do it to some extent - so yes Bolton Council DO provide the services but are operated, under licence, to a 3d party private company which the Council pays to do their job!
[quote][p][bold]sallyupsteps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lee3695[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brumas[/bold] wrote: For all the previous commenter's that are complaining about the Council tax that looks set to rise for householders in Bolton and think it is unjustified. Just think of the residents of Blackrod, Horwich and Westhoughton who have to pay a precept on top of whatever Bolton pay for Council Tax (£34+ in my case) which will also have a % increase imposed on it. For Town Council's that are totally ineffectual. Let's do away with Town Councils and SAVE the residents of the above mentioned Townships some money.[/p][/quote]This is an interesting point. it would be beneficial to see how much it costs to run these councils and what they actually deliver. I may be wrong, but as far as i am aware, all planning decisions made by the town councils are merely taken into consideration by Bolton Council, but do not form the basis of a planning decision. Highways, waste, environment and other services are all provided by Bolton Council. The town councils are represented like any other area of Bolton, by ward councilors on various committees in Bolton Council. Surely if cuts are required, the council should look at the role of town councils first and whether they are actually needed or not?[/p][/quote]The council does not provide the services you quoted, they are outsourced[/p][/quote]Outsourced but still have to pay them. Just because they are outsourced does not mean that Bolton Council has no control! Contracts are made between the 3rd Party and the Council as to the costs etc etc etc etc which is reviewed on a yearly basis! All companies do it to some extent - so yes Bolton Council DO provide the services but are operated, under licence, to a 3d party private company which the Council pays to do their job! BWFC71

9:06pm Sun 23 Feb 14

holloway_david says...

I have finally got it ! Councillor Morris is the " Righteous One"
I have finally got it ! Councillor Morris is the " Righteous One" holloway_david

9:23pm Sun 23 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

holloway_david wrote:
I have finally got it ! Councillor Morris is the " Righteous One"
Nope - as I honestly cant stand Cliff "3 jobs" Morris and the sooner he leaves the council, along with his cohorts, the better - but no matter who is in power they would have the same problems with the budget and would also put up the Council Tax - you have to remember although the Council is a public body, it also still has to operate like a private business!!!
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: I have finally got it ! Councillor Morris is the " Righteous One"[/p][/quote]Nope - as I honestly cant stand Cliff "3 jobs" Morris and the sooner he leaves the council, along with his cohorts, the better - but no matter who is in power they would have the same problems with the budget and would also put up the Council Tax - you have to remember although the Council is a public body, it also still has to operate like a private business!!! BWFC71

9:24pm Sun 23 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

holloway_david wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
holloway_david wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
one last comment about the thumbs........


I cannoy believe how popular I actually am!!! over -100 (which means more than 100 hits/views on every single one of my posts) - more popular than the person trying to belittle me!!!!!!

Thank you all so much - you have made my day!
Self Righteous probably and maybe arrogant; there you are to prove your point---- 101 plus
Sorry but its only 99!
its not is it! well, well, well
3 wells make a river - jump in and shiver!
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: one last comment about the thumbs........ I cannoy believe how popular I actually am!!! over -100 (which means more than 100 hits/views on every single one of my posts) - more popular than the person trying to belittle me!!!!!! Thank you all so much - you have made my day![/p][/quote]Self Righteous probably and maybe arrogant; there you are to prove your point---- 101 plus[/p][/quote]Sorry but its only 99![/p][/quote]its not is it! well, well, well[/p][/quote]3 wells make a river - jump in and shiver! BWFC71

1:43pm Mon 24 Feb 14

holloway_david says...

BWFC71 wrote:
holloway_david wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
holloway_david wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
one last comment about the thumbs........


I cannoy believe how popular I actually am!!! over -100 (which means more than 100 hits/views on every single one of my posts) - more popular than the person trying to belittle me!!!!!!

Thank you all so much - you have made my day!
Self Righteous probably and maybe arrogant; there you are to prove your point---- 101 plus
Sorry but its only 99!
its not is it! well, well, well
3 wells make a river - jump in and shiver!
Ok Councillor Morris will do, it will be taxing though
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: one last comment about the thumbs........ I cannoy believe how popular I actually am!!! over -100 (which means more than 100 hits/views on every single one of my posts) - more popular than the person trying to belittle me!!!!!! Thank you all so much - you have made my day![/p][/quote]Self Righteous probably and maybe arrogant; there you are to prove your point---- 101 plus[/p][/quote]Sorry but its only 99![/p][/quote]its not is it! well, well, well[/p][/quote]3 wells make a river - jump in and shiver![/p][/quote]Ok Councillor Morris will do, it will be taxing though holloway_david

3:04pm Mon 24 Feb 14

holloway_david says...

BWFC71 wrote:
holloway_david wrote:
I have finally got it ! Councillor Morris is the " Righteous One"
Nope - as I honestly cant stand Cliff "3 jobs" Morris and the sooner he leaves the council, along with his cohorts, the better - but no matter who is in power they would have the same problems with the budget and would also put up the Council Tax - you have to remember although the Council is a public body, it also still has to operate like a private business!!!
I assume our own private budgets are affected by the action the council is taking. There still remains the same question "Where do they expect us to get the extra from"
In reminder private businesses try to obtain operating and net profit by cutting cost or putting their prices up or both however people have the choice whether to buy; in this case we are not given a choice. All in all they are taking the easiest option with no thought to the electorate.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: I have finally got it ! Councillor Morris is the " Righteous One"[/p][/quote]Nope - as I honestly cant stand Cliff "3 jobs" Morris and the sooner he leaves the council, along with his cohorts, the better - but no matter who is in power they would have the same problems with the budget and would also put up the Council Tax - you have to remember although the Council is a public body, it also still has to operate like a private business!!![/p][/quote]I assume our own private budgets are affected by the action the council is taking. There still remains the same question "Where do they expect us to get the extra from" In reminder private businesses try to obtain operating and net profit by cutting cost or putting their prices up or both however people have the choice whether to buy; in this case we are not given a choice. All in all they are taking the easiest option with no thought to the electorate. holloway_david

11:40pm Mon 24 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Easiest option - I don't think so.

given what has been reported today (although they should have done that 7 years ago) they are trying to save money with cost cutting and with council tax rises - you have to remember that Bolton council, along with all other Councils do not keep the Business Tax as it is only collected by Bolton Council for Central Government (the same people who set the Business Tax rates).

And yes Bolton council has a captive revenue stream with its citizens but it is easy just to move to another town and rent there and pay less tax if required!!! But I know the majority want **** they will see it against their civil liberty - but is it against their civil liberty to go with cheaper supermarkets, cheaper energy companies etc etc etc - people only make it difficult for themselves as much as they want and then blame it on outside forces. I have done that in the past moved towns/cities to pay cheaper tax but in the end it is a false economy as one has to pay even for the most basic product! Nothing is free, not even the NHS, as all workers contribute to that via the NI contributions and people didn't mind paying an extra 1% when it went up about 8 years ago!!!! Or what about the Lottery and how many have stopped playing that sine it went to £2, or what about the VAT, which is another captive tax and what about ALL energy companies putting up their prices.

Fact is prces have had to rise so that the council can pay their bills and carry on paying wages as well as the keep up of the basic repairs etc on all its infrastructures - which they have to pay private companies for! (so in a way private profit-making companies are also to blame in the rise the of the Council Tax!!!)

Therefore in this situation it is a put up or Bolton ends up a failed town that enters administration of which then the borough could be taken over by Salford or Wigan or Bury or even Manchester!!!!
Easiest option - I don't think so. given what has been reported today (although they should have done that 7 years ago) they are trying to save money with cost cutting and with council tax rises - you have to remember that Bolton council, along with all other Councils do not keep the Business Tax as it is only collected by Bolton Council for Central Government (the same people who set the Business Tax rates). And yes Bolton council has a captive revenue stream with its citizens but it is easy just to move to another town and rent there and pay less tax if required!!! But I know the majority want **** they will see it against their civil liberty - but is it against their civil liberty to go with cheaper supermarkets, cheaper energy companies etc etc etc - people only make it difficult for themselves as much as they want and then blame it on outside forces. I have done that in the past moved towns/cities to pay cheaper tax but in the end it is a false economy as one has to pay even for the most basic product! Nothing is free, not even the NHS, as all workers contribute to that via the NI contributions and people didn't mind paying an extra 1% when it went up about 8 years ago!!!! Or what about the Lottery and how many have stopped playing that sine it went to £2, or what about the VAT, which is another captive tax and what about ALL energy companies putting up their prices. Fact is prces have had to rise so that the council can pay their bills and carry on paying wages as well as the keep up of the basic repairs etc on all its infrastructures - which they have to pay private companies for! (so in a way private profit-making companies are also to blame in the rise the of the Council Tax!!!) Therefore in this situation it is a put up or Bolton ends up a failed town that enters administration of which then the borough could be taken over by Salford or Wigan or Bury or even Manchester!!!! BWFC71

11:42pm Mon 24 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

holloway_david wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
holloway_david wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
holloway_david wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
one last comment about the thumbs........


I cannoy believe how popular I actually am!!! over -100 (which means more than 100 hits/views on every single one of my posts) - more popular than the person trying to belittle me!!!!!!

Thank you all so much - you have made my day!
Self Righteous probably and maybe arrogant; there you are to prove your point---- 101 plus
Sorry but its only 99!
its not is it! well, well, well
3 wells make a river - jump in and shiver!
Ok Councillor Morris will do, it will be taxing though
Again please read other posts where I actually slam "3jobs" Morris and his motley crew, then you will see I am definitely NOT one of his fans, or actually him!!!
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: one last comment about the thumbs........ I cannoy believe how popular I actually am!!! over -100 (which means more than 100 hits/views on every single one of my posts) - more popular than the person trying to belittle me!!!!!! Thank you all so much - you have made my day![/p][/quote]Self Righteous probably and maybe arrogant; there you are to prove your point---- 101 plus[/p][/quote]Sorry but its only 99![/p][/quote]its not is it! well, well, well[/p][/quote]3 wells make a river - jump in and shiver![/p][/quote]Ok Councillor Morris will do, it will be taxing though[/p][/quote]Again please read other posts where I actually slam "3jobs" Morris and his motley crew, then you will see I am definitely NOT one of his fans, or actually him!!! BWFC71

7:55pm Mon 17 Mar 14

gazza898 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Easiest option - I don't think so.

given what has been reported today (although they should have done that 7 years ago) they are trying to save money with cost cutting and with council tax rises - you have to remember that Bolton council, along with all other Councils do not keep the Business Tax as it is only collected by Bolton Council for Central Government (the same people who set the Business Tax rates).

And yes Bolton council has a captive revenue stream with its citizens but it is easy just to move to another town and rent there and pay less tax if required!!! But I know the majority want **** they will see it against their civil liberty - but is it against their civil liberty to go with cheaper supermarkets, cheaper energy companies etc etc etc - people only make it difficult for themselves as much as they want and then blame it on outside forces. I have done that in the past moved towns/cities to pay cheaper tax but in the end it is a false economy as one has to pay even for the most basic product! Nothing is free, not even the NHS, as all workers contribute to that via the NI contributions and people didn't mind paying an extra 1% when it went up about 8 years ago!!!! Or what about the Lottery and how many have stopped playing that sine it went to £2, or what about the VAT, which is another captive tax and what about ALL energy companies putting up their prices.

Fact is prces have had to rise so that the council can pay their bills and carry on paying wages as well as the keep up of the basic repairs etc on all its infrastructures - which they have to pay private companies for! (so in a way private profit-making companies are also to blame in the rise the of the Council Tax!!!)

Therefore in this situation it is a put up or Bolton ends up a failed town that enters administration of which then the borough could be taken over by Salford or Wigan or Bury or even Manchester!!!!
1We should all refuse to pay any rise; do they think ordinary people have money trees? Our house hold budget cannot stand another rise we have
Struggled to pay last year’s council tax, we have received no pay rises to combat this rise or any other rise at that e.g.: gas electric water food

Yet if you complain you are threatened with your liberty you must pay what the council asks for as their budget requires and needs it
They can cut their cloth you apparently cannot, you must pay or go to jail directly to jail do not collect a pay rise unlike Bolton council workers.
Going directly against government policy and having a dig is making the people of Bolton suffer
They call themselves labour they should be called a joke
Democracy are you having a laugh?
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Easiest option - I don't think so. given what has been reported today (although they should have done that 7 years ago) they are trying to save money with cost cutting and with council tax rises - you have to remember that Bolton council, along with all other Councils do not keep the Business Tax as it is only collected by Bolton Council for Central Government (the same people who set the Business Tax rates). And yes Bolton council has a captive revenue stream with its citizens but it is easy just to move to another town and rent there and pay less tax if required!!! But I know the majority want **** they will see it against their civil liberty - but is it against their civil liberty to go with cheaper supermarkets, cheaper energy companies etc etc etc - people only make it difficult for themselves as much as they want and then blame it on outside forces. I have done that in the past moved towns/cities to pay cheaper tax but in the end it is a false economy as one has to pay even for the most basic product! Nothing is free, not even the NHS, as all workers contribute to that via the NI contributions and people didn't mind paying an extra 1% when it went up about 8 years ago!!!! Or what about the Lottery and how many have stopped playing that sine it went to £2, or what about the VAT, which is another captive tax and what about ALL energy companies putting up their prices. Fact is prces have had to rise so that the council can pay their bills and carry on paying wages as well as the keep up of the basic repairs etc on all its infrastructures - which they have to pay private companies for! (so in a way private profit-making companies are also to blame in the rise the of the Council Tax!!!) Therefore in this situation it is a put up or Bolton ends up a failed town that enters administration of which then the borough could be taken over by Salford or Wigan or Bury or even Manchester!!!![/p][/quote]1We should all refuse to pay any rise; do they think ordinary people have money trees? Our house hold budget cannot stand another rise we have Struggled to pay last year’s council tax, we have received no pay rises to combat this rise or any other rise at that e.g.: gas electric water food Yet if you complain you are threatened with your liberty you must pay what the council asks for as their budget requires and needs it They can cut their cloth you apparently cannot, you must pay or go to jail directly to jail do not collect a pay rise unlike Bolton council workers. Going directly against government policy and having a dig is making the people of Bolton suffer They call themselves labour they should be called a joke Democracy are you having a laugh? gazza898

7:57pm Mon 17 Mar 14

gazza898 says...

1We should all refuse to pay any rise; do they think ordinary people have money trees? Our house hold budget cannot stand another rise we have
Struggled to pay last year’s council tax, we have received no pay rises to combat this rise or any other rise at that e.g.: gas electric water food

Yet if you complain you are threatened with your liberty you must pay what the council asks for as their budget requires and needs it
They can cut their cloth you apparently cannot, you must pay or go to jail directly to jail do not collect a pay rise unlike Bolton council workers.
Going directly against government policy and having a dig is making the people of Bolton suffer
They call themselves labour they should be called a joke
Democracy are you having a laugh?
1We should all refuse to pay any rise; do they think ordinary people have money trees? Our house hold budget cannot stand another rise we have Struggled to pay last year’s council tax, we have received no pay rises to combat this rise or any other rise at that e.g.: gas electric water food Yet if you complain you are threatened with your liberty you must pay what the council asks for as their budget requires and needs it They can cut their cloth you apparently cannot, you must pay or go to jail directly to jail do not collect a pay rise unlike Bolton council workers. Going directly against government policy and having a dig is making the people of Bolton suffer They call themselves labour they should be called a joke Democracy are you having a laugh? gazza898

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