Closure of 50 mental health beds is 'investment to make savings later'

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HEALTH chiefs in Bolton have hit back at criticisms of plans to close 50 mental health beds at the Royal Bolton Hospital.

Proposals from Greater Manchester West Mental Health NHS Foundation Trust will see three wards at the hospital replaced with extra beds at Woodlands Hospital in Little Hulton.

The trust wants fewer people to be admitted to mental health wards and instead receive care in their homes.

The shake-up will mean home care can be provided seven days per week in Bolton rather than five, thanks to a £560,000 investment in Bolton’s services.

The NHS Bolton Clinical Commissioning Group (CCG), the statutory body set to make the final decision on the changes, says it has received a lot of positive feedback on the proposals.

Chief officer Su Long said: “There has been some negative reaction to this from carers and councillors, but our consultation period has received plenty of positive feedback.

"This is about investing to make savings later, as well as stopping people being housed in potentially distressing mental health wards unless it’s absolutely necessary.”

The CCG’s move comes after a meeting of Bolton Council’s Health Scrutiny Committee which had to be adjourned when Kearsley councillor Liam Irving became embroiled in a heated exchange with a member of the public who had interrupted him.

The 15-bed Oak Ward at the Royal Bolton and the 20-bed elderly Linden Ward will shut by October, while Hazelwood Ward, which has 15 beds for older people, will close by October next year.

A £5.86 million investment is set to make Woodlands Hospital a centre of excellence for older people with dementia and complex mental health conditions, with the axed elderly beds at the Royal Bolton to be relocated there.

The trust expects to make £2.1 million worth of savings over two years by closing the wards.

Critics argue the changes will damage the quality of mental health care in Bolton, especially at night, while relatives and friends of elderly patients say Woodlands Hospital will be less accessible.

The CCG will make a decision, after the public consultation ends on March 30, at its board meeting in May.

Ms Long added: “If we are to continue to invest in new services — such as the rapid assessment interface and discharge team at the Royal Bolton and the memory assessment centre — we must provide current services more efficiently.

“The proposed changes make more investment of this kind possible in the future.”

Dr Martyn Fletcher, clinical lead for mental health at the CCG, said: “I believe this investment in mental health care will respond to long held concerns about the responsiveness of our current services when a patient in a crisis situation. 

"As a GP, I know that many patients have not been able to receive the support they need to remain in their own homes and avoid a hospital admission. 

"These plans would give a massive boost to community based care, whilst still retaining some mental health beds for those who need them.”

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11:01am Mon 10 Mar 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Sinister...

Savings over health... mental health at that.

Very sinister indeed.

This is the society we are living in. Where banks get away with the state of the economy and gain huge bailouts, rip off customers and pay huge ridiculous bonuses for huge losses - and what do our governments do?

Punish the sick and the health of this country by making cutbacks to services and the NHS, things that have been paid for in the hundreds of billions in tax over the years.

But that money is safe in the bank accounts and vaults of the scumbag bankers that caused huge problems... the money is safe in lap of luxury tied up in the guise of a bomb that is dropped from combat jets and drones, the cash is safe in the guise of troops fighting battles in countries that do not concern us.

The government gives financial aid to countries that do not need it, when our own country is in dire need of repair to the infrastructure, health, education and service.

I hope that people from Bolton will join the HUGE protests that are being arranged around the country by your compatriots that are sick and tired of being bullied and ripped apart by the elite in government and the corporations.
Sinister... Savings over health... mental health at that. Very sinister indeed. This is the society we are living in. Where banks get away with the state of the economy and gain huge bailouts, rip off customers and pay huge ridiculous bonuses for huge losses - and what do our governments do? Punish the sick and the health of this country by making cutbacks to services and the NHS, things that have been paid for in the hundreds of billions in tax over the years. But that money is safe in the bank accounts and vaults of the scumbag bankers that caused huge problems... the money is safe in lap of luxury tied up in the guise of a bomb that is dropped from combat jets and drones, the cash is safe in the guise of troops fighting battles in countries that do not concern us. The government gives financial aid to countries that do not need it, when our own country is in dire need of repair to the infrastructure, health, education and service. I hope that people from Bolton will join the HUGE protests that are being arranged around the country by your compatriots that are sick and tired of being bullied and ripped apart by the elite in government and the corporations. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 10

11:09am Mon 10 Mar 14

Beyond News Forum says...

A saving of £2.1-million... it pales in comparison to the tens of millions wasted every week in Afghanistan, a country that does not want our troops there, fighting a fight that has NO bearing on British homeland security.

£2.1-million pales in the figure of immigration spending. (Not a hate statement but the truth)

£2.1-million is just one or two RBS bonuses, a bank I might add was bailed out by the taxpayer.

Here is an idea... how about all the bankster CEO's hand those bonuses over to the NHS and our services?

The money is ours as a county Mr and Mrs Bankster - it is time to start handing it back over or the people of this country will SHUT YOU DOWN with the coming onslaught that will be directed at you and the government via a huge wave of public discontent.

The longer this government cut backs and elitist favoritism continues, the further the electorate drifts from British politics.

Personally I cannot wait for the coming backlash. It is happening all over the world but blacked out by the mainstream media.
A saving of £2.1-million... it pales in comparison to the tens of millions wasted every week in Afghanistan, a country that does not want our troops there, fighting a fight that has NO bearing on British homeland security. £2.1-million pales in the figure of immigration spending. (Not a hate statement but the truth) £2.1-million is just one or two RBS bonuses, a bank I might add was bailed out by the taxpayer. Here is an idea... how about all the bankster CEO's hand those bonuses over to the NHS and our services? The money is ours as a county Mr and Mrs Bankster - it is time to start handing it back over or the people of this country will SHUT YOU DOWN with the coming onslaught that will be directed at you and the government via a huge wave of public discontent. The longer this government cut backs and elitist favoritism continues, the further the electorate drifts from British politics. Personally I cannot wait for the coming backlash. It is happening all over the world but blacked out by the mainstream media. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 11

12:29pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Blackrod says...

Grand job isolating dementia patients in an inaccessible out of town location to those whose partners and friends can no longer drive any rely on public transport. Least when they become I'll with stress they will have home care...
Grand job isolating dementia patients in an inaccessible out of town location to those whose partners and friends can no longer drive any rely on public transport. Least when they become I'll with stress they will have home care... Blackrod
  • Score: 6

1:51pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Puffin-Billy says...

Yet more lies from Bolton CCG, the smiling assassins of the NHS.

And the statement by Care Minister Norman Lamb that:

"More people are being treated in the right settings for them, including

fewer people needing to go into hospitals.” ...is a

downright lie;

More people are being treated in increasingly inappropriate settings

(police cells) and fewer beds.

These cuts are part of a NATIONWIDE ideological attack on the NHS.

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-cam
bridgeshire-26453052


They are an attack on the poor in Britain, who, because they are

increasingly poor, will suffer disproportionately more from

mental and physical ill-health.

And nothing will change unless and until we the people take to the

streets, and get involved in direct action to take our NHS back, and repeal

the Health and Social Care Act.

Mental illness is of no concern to right wing governments because the

person with the illness is not capable of working. They have no value. It's

an ideology that values nothing but the ability to fill the ruling class's

wallets.

A government is needed which values human beings for themselves and

not just for what they can get out of them; until we get one, the numbers

of mentally ill people (adults and children) being detained in prison cells

will keep on climbing.

Budgets for 'crisis resolution teams' fell by 1.7% in real terms compared

to 2011/12. Referrals rose 16%. These are the staff who provide

intensive home treatment in an effort to prevent acutely unwell people

being admitted to hospital.

Budgets for community mental health teams shrank by 0.03% in real

terms since 2011/12 but referrals have risen 13%. These teams give

ongoing support to patients to prevent their health deteriorating to crisis

point.

In 2013/14, there was a reduction of 2.36% in mental health budgets in

real terms, and 10 more trusts are expecting more cuts.

A so-called “concordat”, backed by NHS England, the Association of

Chief Police Officers, and the Royal College of Psychiatrists, says that

health-based places of safety and beds should be available “around the

clock” and that police cells shouldn’t be used because mental health

services are not available. The concordat clearly isn’t working in Greater

Manchester.

If the trust wants more people to receive care in their homes rather than

at hospital, why are they planning extra beds at Woodlands?

Su Long claims that there has been plenty of positive feedback about her

proposals. The following points are the result of current government

policy on mental health, which Su Long , Bolton CCG, and Conservative

Cllr Andy Morgan supports. They are not “positive feedback”:

• Section 188 threat of redundancy notices have been given to the

unions representing mental health staff, whilst at the same time,

recruitment of staff from Ireland and Portugal is being considered.

• Dinesh Bhugra, a psychiatrist who chairs the Mental Health

Foundation, says: “Around the country there is a lot of pressure on

community teams and lots of staff are going off sick. I cannot see any

logical explanation for closing beds.”

• People who could have been admitted voluntarily at an early stage in

their crisis are instead left in the community while their mental health

deteriorates to the point where they may need to be admitted under the

Mental Health Act for a long admission.

• Staff are being told to section people under a section 2 rather than a

3 so that patients stay less time on the ward.

• Manchester Health and Social Care Trust spending £1.75m on

out-of-area private beds in four months.

• Patients waiting in seclusion rooms until beds become available,

• Three-quarters of bed cuts (1,291 closures) are on admission

wards and psychiatric intensive care units for acutely unwell adults and

older people.

• Adult psychiatric wards running occupancy levels of more than

100%, meaning some patients are being sent to private hospitals miles

from home or admitted to NHS hospitals without a bed available.

• The Police Commissioner for Greater Manchester, Tony Lloyd,

having to set aside £200,000 of his budget to buy extra support from

health professionals.

• Hundreds of children being locked in police cells because police

have nowhere to take them.

• 1700, ONE THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED mental health beds

closed in England in the last 2 years.

• Although the Royal College of Psychiatrists recommend an 85%

occupancy rate, some wards are reaching 138%.

• Patients are being discharged early to free up beds resulting in one

patient being re-admitted 8 times in 12 months.

• The NHS is spending millions of pounds sending severely ill

patients hundreds of miles to private hospitals.

• A mentally ill patient had to undergo a 5 and a 1/2 hour journey to

Carlisle.

• acutely mentally unwell children are being admitted to adult

psychiatric wards.

• A mentally ill 12 year old girl shouted out of a window to her mummy

who had to travel 130 miles to visit her: ‘mummy don’t leave me’.

• NHS mental health care is now in crisis, with duty workers across

England reporting times when there are no beds available anywhere.

• Mental illness is increasing due to stress.

• The number of elderly people is increasing, while services for them

are being cut.

• Replacement services are not defined.

• Replacement Services have not been piloted.

• Replacement services are not evidence based.
Yet more lies from Bolton CCG, the smiling assassins of the NHS. And the statement by Care Minister Norman Lamb that: "More people are being treated in the right settings for them, including fewer people needing to go into hospitals.” ...is a downright lie; More people are being treated in increasingly inappropriate settings (police cells) and fewer beds. These cuts are part of a NATIONWIDE ideological attack on the NHS. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-cam bridgeshire-26453052 They are an attack on the poor in Britain, who, because they are increasingly poor, will suffer disproportionately more from mental and physical ill-health. And nothing will change unless and until we the people take to the streets, and get involved in direct action to take our NHS back, and repeal the Health and Social Care Act. Mental illness is of no concern to right wing governments because the person with the illness is not capable of working. They have no value. It's an ideology that values nothing but the ability to fill the ruling class's wallets. A government is needed which values human beings for themselves and not just for what they can get out of them; until we get one, the numbers of mentally ill people (adults and children) being detained in prison cells will keep on climbing. Budgets for 'crisis resolution teams' fell by 1.7% in real terms compared to 2011/12. Referrals rose 16%. These are the staff who provide intensive home treatment in an effort to prevent acutely unwell people being admitted to hospital. Budgets for community mental health teams shrank by 0.03% in real terms since 2011/12 but referrals have risen 13%. These teams give ongoing support to patients to prevent their health deteriorating to crisis point. In 2013/14, there was a reduction of 2.36% in mental health budgets in real terms, and 10 more trusts are expecting more cuts. A so-called “concordat”, backed by NHS England, the Association of Chief Police Officers, and the Royal College of Psychiatrists, says that health-based places of safety and beds should be available “around the clock” and that police cells shouldn’t be used because mental health services are not available. The concordat clearly isn’t working in Greater Manchester. If the trust wants more people to receive care in their homes rather than at hospital, why are they planning extra beds at Woodlands? Su Long claims that there has been plenty of positive feedback about her proposals. The following points are the result of current government policy on mental health, which Su Long , Bolton CCG, and Conservative Cllr Andy Morgan supports. They are not “positive feedback”: • Section 188 threat of redundancy notices have been given to the unions representing mental health staff, whilst at the same time, recruitment of staff from Ireland and Portugal is being considered. • Dinesh Bhugra, a psychiatrist who chairs the Mental Health Foundation, says: “Around the country there is a lot of pressure on community teams and lots of staff are going off sick. I cannot see any logical explanation for closing beds.” • People who could have been admitted voluntarily at an early stage in their crisis are instead left in the community while their mental health deteriorates to the point where they may need to be admitted under the Mental Health Act for a long admission. • Staff are being told to section people under a section 2 rather than a 3 so that patients stay less time on the ward. • Manchester Health and Social Care Trust spending £1.75m on out-of-area private beds in four months. • Patients waiting in seclusion rooms until beds become available, • Three-quarters of bed cuts (1,291 closures) are on admission wards and psychiatric intensive care units for acutely unwell adults and older people. • Adult psychiatric wards running occupancy levels of more than 100%, meaning some patients are being sent to private hospitals miles from home or admitted to NHS hospitals without a bed available. • The Police Commissioner for Greater Manchester, Tony Lloyd, having to set aside £200,000 of his budget to buy extra support from health professionals. • Hundreds of children being locked in police cells because police have nowhere to take them. • 1700, ONE THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED mental health beds closed in England in the last 2 years. • Although the Royal College of Psychiatrists recommend an 85% occupancy rate, some wards are reaching 138%. • Patients are being discharged early to free up beds resulting in one patient being re-admitted 8 times in 12 months. • The NHS is spending millions of pounds sending severely ill patients hundreds of miles to private hospitals. • A mentally ill patient had to undergo a 5 and a 1/2 hour journey to Carlisle. • acutely mentally unwell children are being admitted to adult psychiatric wards. • A mentally ill 12 year old girl shouted out of a window to her mummy who had to travel 130 miles to visit her: ‘mummy don’t leave me’. • NHS mental health care is now in crisis, with duty workers across England reporting times when there are no beds available anywhere. • Mental illness is increasing due to stress. • The number of elderly people is increasing, while services for them are being cut. • Replacement services are not defined. • Replacement Services have not been piloted. • Replacement services are not evidence based. Puffin-Billy
  • Score: 6

3:05pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Puffin-Billy says...

I COULD GO ON - BUT DOES ANDY MORGAN CARE?
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Pennine Care NHS Foundation Trust, who run mental health services in Stockport are proposing a cut of £650,000 to community mental health services by 2015, which is 25% of the total budget. These Services are already chronically underfunded.
This is the reality behind the Con Dem Government ‘promise’ to protect the NHS.
Pennine Accounts for 2012/2013, reveal that Stockport Clinical Commissioning Group (CCG), the body that funds local health services, is the lowest funder of mental health services across
the Pennine footprint, spending just 6.9% of its budget on mental health services. This compares to CCG funding for Bury = 15.1%, Oldham = 12.65%, Rochdale = 21.2%, Tameside = 9.2%.
Yet figures from NHS England 2012/2013, highlight that Stockport is the richest CCG within the same area.
We believe that mental health cuts will place service users, the staff and the community at risk. That is why we are launching a campaign to protect the services that we as taxpayers have paid for, and on which our community depends.

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Benefit cuts explicitly linked to mental health problems
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Parity of esteem for mental health is essential
Mental illness accounts for nearly half of disease among under-65s but only 26% of adults with problems receive care.
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3:55pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Puffin-Billy says...

ARE YOU DEAF - STUPID, OR JUST PLAIN NASTY, CLLR ANDY MORGAN OF BOLTON?

NHS cuts ‘push millions towards drink, drugs and mental illness’
MENTAL health sufferers are turning to drink and drugs because they cannot get help with their illness, an ambassador for the Mind charity has said.
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Description:

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7:04pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Beyond News Forum says...

I could not have put it any better myself Puffin Billy.

Bring on the Revolution ;) See you out there.
I could not have put it any better myself Puffin Billy. Bring on the Revolution ;) See you out there. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 0

8:37pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Toybox says...

Blackrod wrote:
Grand job isolating dementia patients in an inaccessible out of town location to those whose partners and friends can no longer drive any rely on public transport. Least when they become I'll with stress they will have home care...
The 36 bus stops near enough outside. Woodlands is better suited to dementia patients needs than the existing facility of RBH.
[quote][p][bold]Blackrod[/bold] wrote: Grand job isolating dementia patients in an inaccessible out of town location to those whose partners and friends can no longer drive any rely on public transport. Least when they become I'll with stress they will have home care...[/p][/quote]The 36 bus stops near enough outside. Woodlands is better suited to dementia patients needs than the existing facility of RBH. Toybox
  • Score: 2

6:45pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Willow311 says...

Not sure how you can think this?
It takes approx 10-15 mins to walk from bus stop to woodlands.
In fact I seem to remember councillor Morgan saying this himself at a previous meeting.
Not sure how you can think this? It takes approx 10-15 mins to walk from bus stop to woodlands. In fact I seem to remember councillor Morgan saying this himself at a previous meeting. Willow311
  • Score: 0

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